I think that'd be... interesting?
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
left willow
atomic plinth
...speaking of I should get the Great Epee later, it looks cool
gray leaf
Or something like perfume + some type of sword to have moves where you fling out a line of perfume and then slash through it. Basically just a unique animation but it already sounds cool.
left willow
Hmm... I think you could get some interesting combos without a specific Power Stance if you just combo. Granted, it'd be better if it was more fluid, but I feel ya
gray leaf
I suppose, yeah.
left willow
I do wish that if you had no ash on both weapons R2 would be the off-hand weapon's heavy
gray leaf
You could even be overly specific and make it so one singular weapon power-stanced weirdly. There's something resembling precedent for that, in the form of a weapon which deals increased holy damage but doesn't actually innately deal holy damage on its own?
left willow
(Also, I wish that the Ash on Carian Sorc Sword was Cast Spell and it had an actual heavy attack)
left willow
You could even be overly specific and make it so *one singular weapon* power-sta...
what?
Do you mean two-handing a weapon?
gray leaf
No, I mean that exactly one sword would have a different moveset while wielding a perfume in the other hand, rather than every sword of a single type.
gray leaf
I would rather it was a mechanic, but... give us a curved sword called the Perfumer's Cleaver, which looks like (and is) an Omenkiller Cleaver sans the horns, and give it a unique moveset while wielding a perfume bottle in the other hand where you like... spin through the perfume clouds.
atomic plinth
Dunno about an omenkiller cleaver, that seems too large for spinning
gray leaf
Well, it wouldn't have the horns all over it. I assumed it would be notably slimmer under all those. And I mean spinning your body, not just the blade. Since the omenkillers were originally perfumers, something from that initial transitional period seems like it'd make sense?
atomic plinth
True, good point
stone cove
Eh, there';s absoloteuy room for things like the strentgh version, the inherent bleed (or poison or something, get spicy) version etc
gray leaf
Yeah. There's an argument that not every build needs access to every moveset, and having some weapons that really only exist for strength or dex or whatever helps make them feel more different... but I don't think that's a particularly good argument, at least in this case.
stone cove
And it well, stands out when the base game has such a range of "X has good reach, bad damage" etc type options
Like i think there's plenty of fair arguments that the base game is too complicated on weapons
but that's more a product of the UI doing a piss poor job at communicating things
Like how many people know Giant Crusher has block stats rivaling and even exceeding some medium shields!?
gray leaf
Honestly, in some ways, Shadow of the Erdtree feels like 1.5 DLCs.
stone cove
The fucking thing has 88 Physical block, 52 across the board elemental block, and a base guardboost of 58 - which jumps to 60 something when heavy infused.
that's better elemental resists that Messmer Solider Shield, one of the new best medium shields. and equiv guard boost.
gray leaf
Er, "seems like" more than "feels like" I guess?
stone cove
It's the usual from soft thign like it is really good, but it's very high polish in some areas
makes the more 'huh?" stuff stand out
gray leaf
It feels like... it's ridiculous to say it's lacking in quantity when it's so big, but... 1.5 DLCs. There's stuff that just isn't adequately expanded upon.
stone cove
It's mostly the mechanical side i think that sticks out, with the weapons notably being in the case
mighty warren
i love my friends
covert schooner
How do you mean
stone cove
The weapons esp rankle where it feels like they could/should have gone back to add some to earlier shops in the base game or something, just so there's more infuseable options
covert schooner
Idk I like the bespoke weapons
left willow
Idk I like the bespoke weapons
I wanna powerstance things tho :(
stone cove
for me it's the fact that every new weapon class got... 1-2 infuseable options, and 1-2 uniques. if they got any uniques.
covert schooner
I’m not personally a huge fan of the deluge of nearly identical weapons in each category in most souls games, personally
left willow
I’m not personally a huge fan of the deluge of nearly identical weapons in each ...
Fair enough
covert schooner
Stuff like the hand to hand category I think are better for not having a bunch of chaff thrown in
mighty warren
i just like swinging a big weapon and casting incantations and dear lord has this dlc kicked as for me
gray leaf
Just a tiny bit of a lot of things. New weapon types with very few examples. The finger ruins not having much in them. The Abyssal Woods being a whole big area with only one real point of interest in it. New sorcery/incantation classes with very few elements (although nigh-empty spell categories are hardly unique to the DLC). Stuff like that.
stone cove
I’m not personally a huge fan of the deluge of nearly identical weapons in each ...
So, i agree to a degree bapumdish. I'm sorry.
Okay, expanding that
I think it's over done, but also, i think it's a product of the UI badly communcating the actual differnces.
Like you have to go out of game sources to see just how fucking long some weapons are vs others, it's very dramatic
Like Katanas are just craaaazy town, but even in say, Greataxes, the difference between using Exectuioner's or Omen Killer vs Anchor is pretty dramatic
gray leaf
One criticism I've found is that it's too easy to spend too much time just... riding, without running into much of anything.
covert schooner
Idk, I feel like adding too much stuff is how we get shit like Godefroy
I’d rather things be a little slim than be like the base game lol
stone cove
likewise you have a profusion of stats and scalings (ontop of a fairly indepth but more complex than you think ash of war system)
and sorting through all of those nadh ow they change etc, the game does not communicate well
WRT being a bit empty: tbh, i prefer it a bit empty. It's better to have a sense of sppace and pacing
this is something that BotW and ToTK also did well
the ubisoft EVERYTHING HAS A THING stuff results in mush
mighty warren
the ubisoft EVERYTHING HAS A THING stuff results in mush
Huh, you
actually nailed a feeling i couldn't name in regards to not minding dead air
gray leaf
Maybe it's only in comparison to the base game, and without progression happening and with the assumption that you're going to be going in with a build (and thus don't need to have A Strength Weapon to find in whatever direction you go in, such that players who want A Strength Build are at least likely to have options), it makes sense to have fewer, more bespoke weapons.
left willow
Just a tiny bit of a lot of things. New weapon types with very few examples. T...
I didn't like the woods because it had those fucking madness hives.
which were a pain
I hate hate hate those stupid things
left willow
the ubisoft EVERYTHING HAS A THING stuff results in mush
It's partly why I love the Altus Plateaus.
gray leaf
The winter lanterns (yes, the same name as the madness things from Bloodborne) are annoying, yes. But there's a whole area about sneaking past them to get to places... and there's really only one place to get to. It doesn't even have to be a ton; you know all those little ruined towns that are like 3 buildings, a few enemies, and an item? Plonk one or two of those in there.
left willow
Cause there's stuff, but there's also a lot of just.... openess
Which was really refreshing
gray leaf
An invade or something would be neat, but... I think it would have to be something visible on the map as something to want to check out.
left willow
(And thematic, imo)
gray leaf
Or you could put in a mausoleum which is just One Single Dude.
mighty warren
Abyssal woods was my personal favorite zone just for the sheer uniqueness, i also enjoy it being all alone personally cause it makes more eh... clear? i guess cause the way it read to me was midra was isolated, he wanted to keep himself restrained from others, suffering on his own aside from the few souls there with him as either caretakers or guards
Goes in well with his constant attempts to tell you to fuck off elsewhere
left willow
Abyssal woods was my personal favorite zone just for the sheer uniqueness, i als...
That's entirely fair!
I really liked it overall... except for those stupid winter lanterns
mighty warren
Im a bit confused where the water lantern name is from cause ive only ever seen them called aging untouchables
gray leaf
Winter Lanterns are what the enemies of similar appearance and behavior are called in Bloodborne, for one.
mighty warren
Well see thats fair
but theres one of them you kill that refers to them as aging untouchables
mighty warren
I dont think so?
aging one's exultation
description for it calls em aging untouchables
gray leaf
For two, they have winter lantern flies. But I think it's probably the bloodborne thing.
mighty warren
gray leaf
I remember something referring to them as winter lanterns but maybe that was changed or patched or something.
mighty warren
Shrug
gray leaf
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Aged+One's+Exultation
...this doesn't trigger when madness is activated by Inescapable Frenzy???? That seems... bad.
Not mechanically necessarily, but just on principle.
mighty warren
Oh right yeah for anyone who doesnt know, you can kill them after parrying the grab
left willow
wtf
mighty warren
...this doesn't trigger when madness is activated by Inescapable Frenzy???? Tha...
Im not here to judge the effectiveness im just looking at lore
left willow
There's a hidden area in his boss room?
mighty warren
but yes its very much just for PVP
left willow
motherfucker
mighty warren
I will say, midra alone is
so fun
generally one of my favorite bosses so far
And his sword, god i love the sword you get off him
i have no interest in pvp, so im glad you can do the thorn AOE without it grabbing
gray leaf
I'm not even talking effectiveness, so much as just... you have an ability which increases attack power on madness infliction, but it doesnt work when you use the thing which semi-reliably inflicts madness at melee range.
mighty warren
Well technically madir's own incantation grants more madness and is debately better if the goal is build up
cause dont forget, its only counting madness being inflicted
if you're willing to play a stupidly risky game you can do that shit on yourself in PVE
gray leaf
Does it actually inflict more than a grab does? I though the grab would basically instantly proc on the target most of the time.
mighty warren
Depends on how much the head hits, i more so mean self inflicted in this case
Still likely best off with the new torch if you want madness buildup though
that thing builds it up like fuckin' nothing
gray leaf
For self inflicted, yeah. Inescapable frenzy is a grab, though. I think you might be mixing it up with something else.
mighty warren
No? im just talking self inflicted build up
Ive used far too many frenzied flame spells to ignore just
triggering it myself for benefits
thats not even a joke thats how i beat gaius
gray leaf
Yeah... inflicting it on enemies is basically a pvp thing only. Inescapable Frenzy can do that pretty well. It's not the best if you're going up against madness-immune enemies (read: 99.9% of them) and so would have to proc it on yourself, though.
mighty warren
Aye, and i dont do pvp so my only expereinces with frenzy is pve
because Yes i am that mother fucker that uses the funny flames just to spite everyone around me (in game)
frenzied flame was my first ending and i have zero shame in that
stone cove
Huh, you
actually nailed a feeling i couldn't name in regards to not minding dea...
It's a pacinfg thing!
Like think of how a movie that is Go Go Go Go all the time is exhausting (marvel movies), and how often people talk about liking movies to have space for characters to breathe or talk etc.
It's very important!
mighty warren
ironically as someone who does personal writing im more aware of that than you might think
stone cove
Hahha, i bet (i too am a writer!)
mighty warren
Hell yeah
mighty warren
Oh right also, been wanting to show off my character but dont have many ER friends
stone cove
I think, again, TOTK/BoTW are really good examples of excellent pacing
gray leaf
I think that empty space between Things is good, and empty space within Things is bad, and the definition of "things" (and also of "empty") are hard to pin down and very contextual.
stone cove
actyually, one of TOTK weaker areas, the underground, is because the pacing is fucked
mighty warren
i never really clicked with BOTW so no comments
stone cove
and that's because in ToTK/BoTW overworld, by base you see a thing in the distnace - often high up, and you climb up to it, etc.
so once you're up, you now have the chill moment of "getting to see where to go next" and also you can glide down the side etc
mighty warren
Also fuck whoever put this here
it wasnt hard to get, it took a moment to think of how to, but fuck them
stone cove
the underworld inverts that, which results in you climbing down (which is easy) to the point of interest, and then having to slog back out (which is hard)
mighty warren
Fair
gray leaf
Side note, but I think that's an actual reason why the low render distance in Scarlet/Violet actually did matter and wasn't just petty griping about graphics.
left willow
And his sword, god i love the sword you get off him
i have no interest in pvp, s...
No. Fuck that sword. I hate that transition cutscene. IT's TERRIBLE. THE WORST.
stone cove
No. Fuck that sword. I hate that transition cutscene. IT's TERRIBLE. THE WORST.
What secret area were you talking about?
Also once i've done cat food etc, i'll push foward to killing malenia on my stream, so a: you can watch how i do it for tips, b: i can come and help you clown on her
left willow
What secret area were you talking about?
Also once i've done cat food etc, i'l...
||Apparently, if you whack an altar at the back of the room it drops down and there's an incant in there||
left willow
What secret area were you talking about?
Also once i've done cat food etc, i'l...
at work, so not sure if I can join the stream and def can't fight Mel rn, but I'll def check out the VoD if I can't
granite pawn
updated drip because apparently swords made entirely of grey slate are quite heavy
stone cove
||Apparently, if you whack an altar at the back of the room it drops down and th...
SOrry, whixch boss? Midra?
left willow
SOrry, whixch boss? Midra?
||I believe so.||
mighty warren
updated drip because apparently swords made entirely of grey slate are quite hea...
Ah good drip my friend
stoic sleet
that's some dedication. but the aesthetic is on point
stone cove
I killed a Pest that my Messmer SOlider was ifghting with a Kurki headshot
stone cove
and my solider turned around and stared at me like "Bro, wtf. Kill steal."
left willow
It's in Mohg's cellar bar fight
stone cove
Oh, yeah, that one
That is.. . that is a whole fucking thing
also comically behind that arse hole of a seceret area
is an entrance tooo drumroll deeproot depths
...which has a teleporter that'll dump you back in the chapel in leyndell where you come into the game
left willow
well im gonna go try to fight a sunflower again
Take its seeds, salt them, and have a nice time at the ball game
mighty warren
I dont know if it'll let me take its seeds, its got hands
left willow
I dont know if it'll let me take its seeds, its got hands
Then take its hands!
stone cove
@mighty warren Fire. Seriously, even with it's arena being in water, it gets destrtoyed by fire
left willow
Peng, how do you deal with Waterfowl dance?
Because I might just straight up need more endurance
stone cove
Notably, Fire Serpent https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Fire+Serpent or the consuemable https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Fire+Coil defeats it
Uh... shit
I cannot actually remeber the rythm for dodging it
left willow
Cause if I block, she breaks my stamina in like 1-2 of the bursts
And if I dodge, I get caught on the "backswing of the move"
left willow
DANGIT
stone cove
She's setup to punish defensive play
left willow
I'M FUCKED
left willow
She's also very dodgy to spells
left willow
So I'm limited on the spells I can effectively use
stone cove
One, for spells: Offhjand STaff of Loss, mainhand whatever is your best casting staff. Night Comet.
she will never dodge this.
and it's already one of the best nuke spells in the game
mighty warren
good news penguin i am an strength/faith boi
stone cove
@mighty warren Awesome. Seriously, lock onto the head and throw Fire Serpents at it, they do so much damage and track the head really well
So that alone means you've got a good option to just nuke her down
left willow
One, for spells: Offhjand STaff of Loss, mainhand whatever is your best casting ...
Offhand Carian Sorc Stick, Cast Glintblade Trio, forces a dodge (buys me time) and does good damage too
stone cove
But Malenia's real weakness is she has zero fucking poise
mighty warren
I might switch to my other sword too if fire is that good
left willow
Phalanx time, I see
mighty warren
Fire knight greatsword my beloved
stone cove
That's not even the only AoW that can do stuff to her like this.
She has no poise whatsoever, so gets juggled/pancaked by all kinds of stuff.
left willow
Can you interrupt during Waterfowl or does she get hyperarmor once she starts swinging?
stone cove
remember how i said it's an agression fight?
I cannot remeber
Because last time i foguht her
here's how it went down
left willow
Fair enough, thank you
stone cove
She walks in, i cast stormcaller.
She starts to recover
my mimic casts stormcaller.
Shge starts to recover, i cast stormcaller.
Phase 2 starts
left willow
I should probably remember to find a Somber 9 to get stars to +10
stone cove
Stormcallering contiunes
atomic plinth
Oh right also, been wanting to show off my character but dont have many ER frien...
God that helmet is the best
left willow
Yeah, Phase 2 was a lot easier the one time I got to it (just got hit by enough moves I didn't know the pattern/nature of that I ran out of red gatorade)
stone cove
and that was that, no muss, no fuss, one very dead Malenia and one very disapointed penguin
who was really expecting to like...
Have to put some fucking effort in
left willow
Gotcha
stone cove
I was really hyped!
I'd been breezing througfh the game!
"At least, i think, a challenge!"
left willow
She's been pancaking me, cause I'm a very... rhythm(?) player
So just going WHOLE HOG is counter to my mentality
mighty warren
God that helmet is the best
It's one of the few that goes with my look, not too attached myself
left willow
idk what the term for "do a little dodging, read the patterns, then counter in the breathers" style is
Which Mel punishes, from what I (now) understand
mighty warren
|| THIS FUCKER REVIVES?||
stone cove
snickering
mighty warren
||IT DOES IT TWICE, BUT FUCK YOU I CAUGHT THE THIRD||
stone cove
On weapon styles and movesets, so one thing that does bother me with ER ando ther games of this stripe is i wish the weapon sets were deeper and like... more historically accurate,, movesets that is.
Because like a sword is actually a very complicated 4 sided weapon, with the classic "cross" style hilts having a bunch of techniques for flipping around, grabbing by the sharp end (Remeber, you're a knight with armored gauntlets) and using the pommel/hilt for SURPISE FUCK YOU. Sword and Board is a form of dual wielding, and shield fighting is brtual with a lot of using it to block, putting your entire body's heft behind it etc - hell, even Roman centurian towershields had some evil shit (like for instance, slam it down on the guy in front of you's feet. Which were not armoured at that time). To say nothing of shield locks
or the cool arse spear combos that use the entire length of the weapon
this is a great demostratio nof some really cool stuff
stone cove
||IT DOES IT TWICE, BUT FUCK YOU I CAUGHT THE THIRD||
A tip ||Notice when it goes down, you can crit it's face. That shaves off like 30% of it's hp for the next phase||
mighty warren
||Oh i already beat it, the third life was a first go||
stone cove
Oh, nice!
mighty warren
||now to try out its weapon||
stone cove
BONK
it's ||Spell is pretty good too, an Elden Stars that doesnt suck. it's simialr to the meteorite spells from sorcery, but a bigger barrage of smaller hits||
mighty warren
|| Yeah it looked neat, just too much faith for my build||
|| honestly part of me thinks my builds would give some folk an aneurysm||
mighty warren
Spoilers due to the weapon
stone cove
I mean, honestly though, and this is comming from an optimizer's pov: As long as you're having fun, and you're not getting too smeared by fights
Your build is otpimal enough\
mighty warren
I can headbutt carnival real well
stone cove
Honestyl, that all looks pretty reasonble to me? I'd bump the health up by 5, and your dex/str/faith looks a bit pulled all over the face, likewise i'm not sure why that much end (I guess you kinda need the carry weight? i feel like Erdtree Favor +2 would help you out more honestly)
but that';s all me fussing
If it works for you, it works for you
your str needs 1 more level and you hit the 80 str when two handing, which is great
mighty warren
Don't have erdtree 2, and dex is that high for the one dragon great katana mainly
... which honestly i haven't used for a while, and since i use the radaghan icon...
stone cove
i wish tehre was a good summary video of how dex breakpoints worked for casting speed in the game
mighty warren
yeah fuck it, i finished my anti dragon arc, i'm dumping out some of that dex
stone cove
bewcause ther's something complicated going on with how it removes frames
I'm guessing you're vagabond?
mighty warren
lemme check how much i need to wield stuff, also yeah
Alright, highest i need is 15, 18 if i still wanna use the fire knight greatsword which
kinda do, so probably 18
ironically that's 5 exact
stone cove
FKGS is great, so i'd def keep acess to that
given it's moveset is so fast for a colossal
mighty warren
Yeah that's what caught my eye with it
stone cove
Can you get away with less end?
Like you might benefit more from just using Great Jar Talisman
mighty warren
Maybe? but i'd have to get that talisman first and i do not know the route
mighty warren
I know that i just don't know how to reach him
stone cove
You go through Soifra river
and use the elevatoar at the far end to come up in caelid
mighty warren
alright next step
finding the actual way into siofra river cause it's been 2 years and i only have the nokron graces in this NG+
stone cove
Also you do have to beat up three player duplicates
But if you go offline, teh knights of hte great jar are much easier
mighty warren
greatsword of damnation ahoy
mighty warren
"you're tarnished size, THAT MEANS YOURE GRABBABLE"
stone cove
Milady's diving thjrust also wrecks the poor fuckers
mighty warren
as for how much endurance i can afford to drop, lemme check
(i only have one larval on hand so i gotta get this right)
stone cove
If you're okay with using cheat engine, you can drop a bunch of larval tears into your inventory that way
gray leaf
Does anyone have the Homestuck “hell of a mystery” thing? (I’m on my phone right now.) Because I must realized something.
mighty warren
If you're okay with using cheat engine, you can drop a bunch of larval tears int...
Not against it but not my style
also oh ooft, without a load boost my greatsword is actually too heavy
can still use maliketh's blade though so, 73~ is my cutoff with my current weight
gray leaf
You know how, when you fight Radahn, his feet are missing and he does little gravity magic hover things?
mighty warren
I think i'm gonna just do the dex repositioning, i'm sure i'm fine
will go get the jar talisman though
stone cove
Oh, right, easy way to calculate your weight thing @mighty warren - total up everything you have equiped, then divide by .7
and that gives you your total equip load needed to not fat roll.
mighty warren
yeah i think i'll just leave my endurance be, no offense
more gas in the tank is hardly ever bad for swinging
or dodging
stone cove
none tank!
None taken*
Like as said, your build is pretty fine and most of my issues is quibbly stuff
is it what i would do? No, but that's fine!
obtuse halo
Hmm... I think you could get some interesting combos without a specific Power St...
This is how i prefer my dual wielding tbh
gray leaf
Well, we know that ||Radahn studied alongside Gaius, and they exchanged magic… and although it may sound overly specific, “gravity magic to walk around when you don’t have feet” would in fact be very pertinent to Gaius, given that he’s an albinauric.||
obtuse halo
Powerstance movesets frequently feel like r1 spamming except it’s L1 now
stone cove
This is how i prefer my dual wielding tbh
I've honestly bneen thinking about how they could build a more robust system
that allowed for more complicated movesets
because of exactly what yo umention
obtuse halo
But mismatched weapons can produce really dynamic and interesting combos
mighty warren
I get whatcha mean penguin no worries
obtuse halo
Honestly…ds2 powerstance
stone cove
and because i'd like historical dual wielding styles, whcih are interesting - like it's cool that the main-gauche is finally a thing
but also
Why cant even basic things like Sword and Board get in on that action
obtuse halo
Which actually did have combo stances for various pairings
stone cove
how cool would it be to have your shield actually dynamically be part of your moveset if you're sword and long shield etc
...longsword and shield
my brain is 100% fuctional
obtuse halo
You can kinda get that with offensive shield aows but that obviously comes with an opportunity cost
stone cove
Yeah, that's the issue
I think they could do more personally.
Just give me a crack team of animators, unlimited funds, and ten years.
and we probably will not deliver a playable game
but it'll be real interesting XD
mighty warren
you would possibly deliver animations
left willow
how cool would it be to have your shield actually dynamically be part of your mo...
Longshield Users be like:
obtuse halo
I’d hope animations happen with ten years of funding an animation team
stone cove
Yeah, we can get that part, it's the "Rest of the game bit" that's hard
(I am a decent game dessigner, i am not a progammer by any means though, i'm a writer and artists and think up idas type person)
also i persoanlly am not very good at animating, but i do a mean texture.
or didi, it has bene over a decade since i did 3d animation
left willow
also i persoanlly am not very good at animating, but i do a mean texture.
Is it microfiber?
I hate that
obtuse halo
I’m a hobbyist programmer but i would not be confident in my ability to work on a AAA or even serious Indie game 😛
I mess around with, like, text adventures
stone cove
Is it microfiber?
I dont actually understand what you mean, sorry
I was good at ifguringo ut how to put stuff together to get good texture effects and create depth etc. Wasnt very good at uv mapping which is an ightmare.
this is the work of satan.
obtuse halo
I thought i was clever for coming up with a way to make a parser recognize and require two(technically three) items at once to solve a puzzle (a rock and a piece of steel to light a torch)
That’s the level of game programming i’m on 😛
left willow
I dont actually understand what you mean, sorry
"texture" can also mean what something feels like. I hate how microfiber feels. I would describe it as a "mean texture"
obtuse halo
Honestly I assumed microfiber was the name of a program I hadn’t heard of
left willow
No, I was just making a silly lil' joke
A jokey joke
For what am I but a jester in sheeps' clothing?
stone cove
Gotcha. The oprobelm here is as @obtuse halo says these things all have cutsey names in the industry
so a program fortexuytring models called Microfibre? it probably already exists
stone cove
Fire Knights?
atomic plinth
You know what'd be cool
If the Blasphemous Claw could be used as a parrying tool outside of Maliketh
Would it be horribly unbalanced? Iunno, maybe, doesn't seem like it would be.
Would it be objectively cool? Hell fuckin yeah it would be.
mighty warren
Switched out 2 points of faith since i didnt really need the 46 since i stopped using the spell i had it for, so 2 to strength and one more to mind off a level up
atomic plinth
Very nice
...god, I need to go level my faith some, there's a lot of cool faith shit I want but my own faith's only at 40 atm
stone cove
Yeah, i'm feeling that s ome on my dex run, i've "only" got 36 faith
er, 30*
and i need like, 46 at least.
ideally 60
I'm gonna have no fucking spellslots, but also, i'm going to be awesome.
(plan is basically to have Burn, O Flame! Black blade, maybe even Placi's ruin, which is 6 spell slots gone right there)
and then use the remaining slots of utility buffs and shit
atomic plinth
...I am level 200 something with like 50s in STR and DEX and 60 in INT, so I speak from a place of incredible privilege lmfao
atomic plinth
It's less "I kinda wanna complete my build" and more "well my build's already mostly done, what else can I toss on it"
atomic plinth
I HAVE PICKED A LANE
ALL OF THEM
YOU CANNOT STOP ME, I WILL BECOME THE OMNI-BUILD
stone cove
I mean, that's the inevitable in elden ring
atomic plinth
...then you hit NG+4 and your options are "Prince of Death staff or don't even bother"
stone cove
Yeah, i have like
Opinions on the NG system and leveling
but also like tbh, i dunno they should be trying to balance or that sorto f hting?>
atomic plinth
Aye
stone cove
I kinda wish NG+ as a base got more invovled movests on enemies etc
just a general "okay, you're full power, now we respond by pulling out the stops"
atomic plinth
...honestly I wish they'd balance armor too, as it is you're kind of strongarmed into wearing The Good Armor and don't have a whole ton of freedom to mix and match pieces unless you're actually good at the game
stone cove
but also
like
ahaha.
That would be so much work
Mm, armor is a Very trick y subject
Because you cannot really talk armor in this game without talking equip load
adn then you also end up having to talk UI and parasdiblity
(like people just not understanidng how bad SOreseal gets at high levels)
atomic plinth
Equip load is another gripe
stone cove
and how dramtically "Take 20% more damage' actually fucks you over
So, personally, crazy talk, this si what i'd do.
Equip load as a levelable stat? Gone.
atomic plinth
Wish Heavy Load and Overload had actual benefits instead of being just harsh penalties
Can't dodge, but you can shoulder-check a mf
stone cove
It's fixed 100.
4 tiers: Light (0-25%), Light Medium (25-50), Medium Heavy (25-50), Heavy (75-100).
Light: You have a bloodborne style dash. High iframes, fast act out of it etc. but doesnt move you far, probablyh a diminishing returns mechanic ala bloodhound step where spamming it cuts it's iframes rapidly. Intended to let you be in the thick of things by precision dodging.
Light medium: Light rolling currnetly - same iframes as medium roll, gives you a good long distance roll. A mobility/positinng tool, intended more for mages and archer builds.
Medium heavy: the current medium roll. still good defenviely, less movement, a great choice for brawler builds or melee casters.
Heavy: Shoulder check. No iframes what soever. But it scales damage resistance iwth your armor, and even would key off using your shield if you had one equipped - basically a full on "Fuck you, i'm teh juggernaut approach". you'll eat hits, but you are one tanky fucker. Intended for the really crazy heavy builds.
I'd also like, look at refining stuff like blocking to better push guard counters and the defelcitng hard tear system, as well as less passive "Hide behind shield, poke" play.
Probably still allow talismans like Erdtree Favor/Great Jar etc to exist, because they'd offer interesting options - Overloaded would probably still be a penalty, but also so you have motivation to use Great Jar, for truly crazy Ultra Heavy builds.
Likewise, probably more extenviesly rebalance armors across tiers so fashion souls can be more of a thing, and it's easier to grok at a glance (I.e this armor set all up gives me X weight)
Point would be to create a system that allows for quite diverse builds and options, with active reasons to go for each tier.
while also being more immeidately understanble
left willow
I'm gonna have no fucking spellslots, but also, i'm going to be awesome.
... why?
stone cove
You'd also have to do a chunk of work on various things like teh balance on the heavie's scaling, making sure that no partitucalr roll is better than the others (*ideally, you want everyone arguing about this XD)
left willow
They're so easy to pick up
stone cove
... why?
Becauise if i have Burn O Flame, Placi's Ruin, and Black Blade equipped that eats 6 spell slots straight away
and you only have ten XD
left willow
Yes?
stone cove
That's what i mean, i wont have any because i'm using them all up on spell slot expensive spells.
left willow
Oh, wait, you mean you have all of them but you still don't have enough slots?
stone cove
As in i just wont have a lot of options left, klike i've spent 6 slots to get 3 spells equipped
leaves me with only 4 left.
if i add Giant's Flame Take Thee, which i might
or Messmer's Orb, anotehr great spell
i'm down to 2 spell slots left for Golden Vow and uh
Knight's Lightning Spear? XD
left willow
Fair enough
atomic plinth
...god
stone cove
otoh, i'll have such a cool set of spells to dunk on shit
atomic plinth
I wish I could just give these guys a hug
stone cove
Anyway, i should get my stream going lol
Oh, also, severe giggle the other day on my stream
i saw one, in teh wild. That thing!
Bullgoat's chest piece. White Mask headpiece. Fingerprint shield. Lord of Blood's Spear.
brings a tear to one eye to know that such species are not endangered and do in fact, exist XD
atomic plinth
...damn, this axe matches the Solitude set weirdly well
stone cove
Oof.
Could not get Malenia.
Got close, several times
but couldnt clutch it, kept fucking my dodges vs watefowl dance and it'd all fall apart
frozen olive
@mellow silo you available?
left willow
but couldnt clutch it, kept fucking my dodges vs watefowl dance and it'd all fal...
After watching some vidya, I think there might be trick to dodge the first burst, shield through the second, then dodge the third
That's the most common pattern that I saw taking little-to-no damage from Fowl
stone cove
Yeah, i just need to be less tired to do it
i kept panic rolling and loosing momentum
it's a diffuclt ifght
atomic plinth
||...how do I dodge Promised Consort's fucking shadow clone jutsu||
stone cove
Sorry I couldn't come watch
It's cool. Ended for now, because I was tired and obviously getting tilted, and I believe in modeling healthy behavior like taking a damn break
Def frustrating though. Oh well!
I'd do a lot better if I didn't feel like I had to fight the camera. I realized doing this that my hibutal rolling away from things is because rolling into attacks makes the camera freak and I can't keep track of stuff
covert schooner
I’m desperate to try summoning Taylew against Malenia
I feel like he’s gonna stomp her
Heavily resists slashing, immune to rot, barely any health comparatively for her to steal
atomic plinth
Oh he will be a massive handicap, don't summon him
He's tanky as hell, yeah, but he's slow and lumbering and easy to hit
And all it'll do is refill her health bar
stone cove
Iirc she doesn't streal health, she just gets health back on hits
The amount of she heals is a fixed percentage of her maximum HP depending on the attack
left willow
damn, pain
atomic plinth
Regardless, Taylew would still just be free heals for her
left willow
Would Lhutel be an option?
atomic plinth
Spirits in general aren't great for Malenia
atomic plinth
Their AI can't really dodge her attacks well enough, and you really, really don't want them getting hit, cause that's just more HP back into her pool
Best bet is to summon another player that can better react to and dodge her attacks
left willow
Which is why I thought Lhutel might be the option
left willow
Cause her ai's reaction to taking any hit that doesn't knock her over is just "go intangible"
atomic plinth
If you want I can plant a summon sign and help
atomic plinth
Later then
left willow
yeah, about an hour? Or will you be asleep at that time?
I still greatly struggle with Phase 1 tho
I've only made it to phase 2 once
atomic plinth
I'm... not sure
I've been awake all night and while I feel fine now?
I'm not sure if I'll crash by then
left willow
Do you mind if I poke you when I get home or would you prefer peace if you are asleep?
atomic plinth
Don't worry about bothering me, I have notification sounds turned off so it won't wake me up if I do end up asleep
covert schooner
*The amount of she heals is a fixed percentage of her maximum HP depending on th...
Jesus Christ
How does everything I learn about her make me hate that fight more
atomic plinth
It's rough, yeah
stone cove
Dung Eater does well in her fight.
atomic plinth
Fighting a Sekiro boss in a Souls game who has the Rally mechanic but better
stone cove
Mimic Tear can be really lethal
covert schooner
“I am undefeated” yeah I would be too if I could infinitely heal off every hit, had infinite poise, and inflicted the worst version of the deadliest status condition in the game
stone cove
Honestly, it's mostly the camera fuckery. 90% of the fight is fine and fair, it's just dodging waterfowl dance and Scarlet aeonia
She doesn't have infinite poise. Infamously her poise is one of her worst things
She can be Stunlocked or juggled very easily
covert schooner
Yeah fair
stone cove
With the right ashes.
covert schooner
I’m just salty that they made her a gimmick fight
With like 3 different gimmicks
stone cove
Like one of the reasons dung Eater works into her is his hits stagger her well
If Rollo could dodge worth a damn, he'd be amazing into her
stone cove
I don't even agree she's a finish fight. Minus the camera fuckery, she's just a very aggressive fight that wants you to match and overwhelm her aggression
left willow
That's her AGGRO OR DIE
covert schooner
If it wasn’t a gimmick, any other enemy in the game at all could also have it
But it would make them extremely frustrating to fight for any play style that isn’t centered around dodging
stone cove
Gimmick* not finish fight
covert schooner
I don’t know
I just don’t like that she has rot AND the life steal
Feels like they tried to do too much
stone cove
To me a gimmick fight is a fight that hinges on a single factor
Rykard is a gimmick fight
covert schooner
Also the lifesteal isn’t a thing that’s ever brought up anywhere, she just had it because if she didn’t she wouldn’t be hard enough
Idk
stone cove
It's actually justified in her lore/rune, though her phase 2 doesn't communicate it well
covert schooner
I’m just continually salty
I feel like she’s really artificially difficult personally
Just a pet peeve, it’s whatever
stone cove
Fair enough. For me it's the camera issues , and I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, Elden rings camera just sucks
covert schooner
Oh I mean yeah
It’s one of the things like movement that they need to just
Start over
Throw out all of the existing movement and camera system and try again
stone cove
They need to design a combat system that isn't so fucking weird about lock on
covert schooner
Dark Souls camera has never really worked for anything bigger or faster than a particularly large man imo
left willow
Can I ask what's wrong with the movement mechanics?
stone cove
Can I ask what's wrong with the movement mechanics?
They're very artificial, and have little too do with actual momentum.
covert schooner
They keep wanting you to:
Do parkour
And fight guys who want you to avoid their attacks with movement options rather than the dedicated defense stuff
stone cove
Would be my take.
covert schooner
Both of which it is extremely unsuited for
In its current state
Mostly do to being really stiff
It’s FINE when it’s doing normal dark souls stuff
But when they want me to jump over attacks and run out of AOEs
Is when I’m like “guys”
stone cove
Stuff like enemies spinning in place or you spinning in place to track a foe are a good example of where the stiff/artificial shows
Your upper body movement is entirely disconnected from your legs.
covert schooner
It’s mostly the parkour obsession where I’m like…. This game desperately needs more precise movement
If you guys want platforming to be a part of the game
Which they clearly do!
covert schooner
There’s extended platforming sections in literally every single soulsborne game
And they ALL ARE AWFUL
stone cove
What, you don't enjoy Frenzied Flame Proscription!?
A bunch of narrow drops in a game that utterly doesn't support this!?
covert schooner
Or every single torrent parkour section?
My friend and I have a running bit where every time torrent isn’t summoned he’s out getting his hooves coated in a fresh layer of extra slippery butter
It’s more platforming than parkour but
You get what I mean
I’ve called soulsborne movement puzzles parkour for too long
stone cove
Yeah, torrents immediate run forward is not great
Honestly, like a lot of this stuff is the classic issue of the game is good, really good! Which makes the not good bits stick out really hard
covert schooner
Also his ability to like
Somehow turn in the exact arc
That would make him fall off the platform I’m current on
I’ve taken to just never turning on torrent if I’m on a ledge
I just desummon him
Turn around as my pc
Ressummon him facing the new direction
Because there’s about 50% less of a chance of him deciding to fall now
Anyway yeah sorry lmao
The dlc made me really, REALLY tired of platforming lol
raw coral
I have fallen off cliffs while trying to collect flight pinions on horseback at least 4 times now (I will continue this behavior regardless (I don’t even use a bow))
also I’ve been finding the Fire Knight Shortsword really fun
Longest dagger in the game I believe, has a multihit heavy like the Black Knife
atomic plinth
Turn around as my pc
Ressummon him facing the new direction
You can also aim a bow and he magically can turn just fine
atomic plinth
Longest dagger in the game I believe, has a multihit heavy like the Black Knife
Oh?
That does sound fun
raw coral
And Flame Spear actually lets you get some nice stance damage for a dagger, since it’s basically impaling thrust with a projectile
but unlike impaling thrust, you can put it on daggers and charge it!
Been using it with godfrey icon in a fire knight incant build
atomic plinth
I'd use daggers but monke brain yearns for Big Sord
Or Big Axe at the present
...greataxe moveset is weirdly satisfying despite it just being smashing an axe into the ground, I don't get it
languid tiger
I want a big axe + big spear power stance
that gives a mohg-like greatspear moveset
atomic plinth
I'm... not sure
...ugh, I don't think I'll be able to help in an hour, I'm 100% crashing
Even if I'm not in bed by then I won't be any use
left willow
No worries
atomic plinth
I'll hop on later I guess
left willow
I probably need to head to bed early anyways
potent perch
Spirits in general aren't great for Malenia
I've seen a couple people recommend yoda for the fight, since he jumps all over the place
atomic plinth
Eepy time for us both, huh
atomic plinth
I've seen a couple people recommend yoda for the fight, since he jumps all over ...
Yoda?
OH, that guy
He does seem like he'd be good for it
covert schooner
He’s surprisingly good
raw coral
Longest dagger in the game I believe, has a multihit heavy like the Black Knife
Also, I’m not sure if this is even that good, but I found charged O Flame into uncharged heavy to be a fun little one-two
covert schooner
Like if Tiches dodges put her like
left willow
He’s surprisingly good
Surprisingly?
covert schooner
5 feet in the air
Yeah I’m usually not a fan of the fragile summmons
Which they are if they get hit lol
atomic plinth
Yoda, however, is very good at not getting hit
Mostly
Sometimes he has a hangover or something and acts the part of a fool
raw coral
Also has anyone tried Soldjars of Fortune with that new talisman
raw coral
the one that buffs damage when a spirit dies
atomic plinth
Also has anyone tried Soldjars of Fortune with that new talisman
God I wish the Soldjars were good
Anyway no, not yet, it'd prolly work well
covert schooner
Imo the skeletons are the best for that talisman
left willow
I wish there was a skeletal champion summon
covert schooner
Because they trigger it even if they aren’t perm killed
signal harness
If rats more reliably made the rats appear anywhere near where you wanted I bet it’d be good
languid tiger
raw coral
Fighting malenia with deflecting hardtear is so much fun
I gotta replay Sekiro at some point
Her still healing on block also adds a layer of complexity I found really enjoyable too, since you can still out damage her with the boosted guard counters and stance breaks, but you don’t want to guard too much into rapid or disengaging attacks and drag out the fight, leaving more time for you to mess up
also I haven’t used it myself but I just noticed the Solitude Greatsword is really good at blocking
it has defenses almost on par with medium shields
might straight up be the best non-shield for guarding in the entire game
old brook
Recently learned you can ||turn the lights back off in Darklight Catacombs||
So can invaders
real shadow
obtuse halo
uh, if that's happening it might be routing through an integrated graphics chip instead of your dedicated graphics card?
worth checking your settings
raw coral
I went through the nvida control panel and also windows graphics settings and set eldenring.exe to to use my GPU, but It's still returning 0%
Temp is really low too, which would imply the reading is accurate
obtuse halo
...bizarre
slender loom
I have noticed lately that my task manager reports very low gpu usage no matter what I’m doing, which now that I check does seem to include running Elden ring
Never actually followed up on it but on a quick skim of search results I’m seeing people say task manager is just bad at evaluating gpu usage
raw coral
I also used the geforce performance overlay to check
also, I just needed to restart my pc for the settings to take effect, so it’s working now! woot woot!
grave plinth
Interesting
gray leaf
I agree. I'd love to see a larger/scrollable version but that's profoundly impractical.
mighty warren
Oh right shit i gotta fight Handsy later
gray leaf
...I cannot remember where, exactly, Windmill Village is, but I'm very curious where it is in relation to ||Shaman Village|| They're kind of at opposite sides of the map, though, aren't they?
frail sky
Windmill is the northernmost part of altus plateau
mighty warren
|| speaking of shaman village, a friend told me that was apparently a mistranslation and it was meant to be shrine maiden?||
frozen olive
so i have heard
mighty warren
which woof, really bad mistranslation
granted apparently not the first bad one as uh
i had a very wrong take on ranni's ending due to its english version
languid tiger
|| speaking of shaman village, a friend told me that was apparently a mistransla...
||the jp used is miko, yeah, but while shaman is inaccurate, it's not like||
||disastrous||
||it just adds further context of being all-female||
mighty warren
yeah it's less harmful than the ending thing
languid tiger
||which other shaman info also mentions||
frozen olive
granted apparently not the first bad one as uh
i had a *very* wrong take on rann...
||Yeah the english version kind of makes Ranni's ending out differently, honestly kind of negative||
mighty warren
|| yeah it's a big part of why i went frenzied flame cause it felt like my big options that i had by the end of the game were default, no one gets to do anything or feel anything fuck you, or fuck it burn it all||
frozen olive
||Whereas like, the actual meaning of what Ranni wants to do is extremely positive, she wants to set her home free of the meddling of the gods and allow her people to repair their world on their own terms, taking the oppression of the gods far far away||
frozen olive
|| yeah it's a big part of why i went frenzied flame cause it felt like my big o...
||i mean Frenzied is still worse||
mighty warren
|| i'll be honest i probably would've still gone frenzied flame, i've a soft spot for the whole thing at this point||
languid tiger
|| yeah it's a big part of why i went frenzied flame cause it felt like my big o...
that seems...a bit extreme
grave plinth
LET CHAOS! TAKE! THE WORLD!
mighty warren
||i mean Frenzied is still worse||
|| Yeah but if you're going bad, go all the fucking way||
languid tiger
"hm, my options are slow change or literally destroy reality forever"
frozen olive
||it's basically the worst ending in the game, narrowly beating out Shitman and his curse everyone ending||
frozen olive
"hm, my options are slow change or literally destroy reality forever"
yeah basically lol
languid tiger
mm, i disagree with it being worse
old brook
What if not existing is cool, has the universe thought about that
languid tiger
frenzy is, at least, an end to suffering
vs dung eater which is both "maximum bad at all points"
and "i want to maximize human suffering forever"
obtuse halo
Eh, it’s not that egregious. Shaman is sort of a general anthropology word for any spiritual professional, especially a healer, cursebreaker, or performer of magic (in the anthropology sense)
frozen olive
yeah but that's just for the lands between
Frenzied Flame literally wants to burn all of creation
stone cove
I'm just imaging Ranni checking in with the Tarnished that they got all the remembrances
"Dear Tarnished, did you remember to disarm this living WMD yet?"
Tarnished, pulling on armor: "Crap. Back soon, love!"
languid tiger
yeah but that's just for the lands between
aiui Order in general reaches beyond the Lands Between
frozen olive
yes
obtuse halo
Eh, it’s not that egregious. Shaman is sort of a general anthropology word for a...
wow this showed up like a month later 💀
languid tiger
so that would
languid tiger
still hit the world
frozen olive
forever
languid tiger
yeah
frozen olive
which is worse
mighty warren
I think where either ending falls depends on if you see eternal suffering or eventually nothing worse
languid tiger
and dung eater wants to ruin everything
but instead of oblivion it's infinite suffering
mighty warren
i'm just here to get a cool fire head and burn it all cause honestly fuck this world
languid tiger
cringe
frozen olive
there is also a strange sort of
mighty warren
i do not like the lands between no sam i am
frozen olive
not positiveness to the dung eaters ending
old brook
I do feel like Melina would also be like 'I don't know about this one, Chief' to Dung Eater Ending
frail sky
I'm just imaging Ranni checking in with the Tarnished that they got all the reme...
Pffft
frozen olive
but there is some manner of levity in it as it mentions that when everything is cursed, nothing is
languid tiger
that's the dung eater being a cunt
grave plinth
Let all return to The One Great
mighty warren
for the record i do adore elden ring i just like the frenzied flame stuff
frozen olive
Ranni's is still the best ending anyhow
mighty warren
like a good few characters but yknow
funny fire
old brook
It's not a Syndrome Style everyone is super, tumorous horn-growths that spawn on every part of you and pierce your body
mighty warren
Ranni's is still the best ending anyhow
ehhh... best is subjective as fuck
languid tiger
it's worse than the omen curse
mighty warren
I still don't like it even with the right context
languid tiger
because we see (and hear) about what dung eater does
frozen olive
ehhh... best is subjective as fuck
for the purposes of people living in the lands between
Ranni's is the best
languid tiger
goldmask's perfect order might compete, depending on the specifics of what the fuck he's doing
mighty warren
Iunno, isn't the order ending pretty chill for folk too? goldmask's i mean
frozen olive
yes
stone cove
Literally melt the world out of existence is, well, bad. Very bad. (Frenzied Flame)
old brook
St. Trina Ending, everyone go to bed
frozen olive
but Goldmasks perfected Order still necessitates a lord
and it does not preclude a god
mighty warren
Literally melt the world out of existence is, well, bad. Very bad. (Frenzied Fla...
Still my favorite
frozen olive
nor does it preclude outer gods
old brook
Goldmask's does feel closest to like.. ||Ansbach's dream of a Lord of Humanity||
stone cove
If anything, Golden order actively involves the gods
frozen olive
Ranni literally takes unto herself the influence of the gods, as the god of a new age, and takes it away from the lands between
frail sky
Pffft
Honestly I kinda look at the dlc the same way, like every other ending is you bring elden lord and just dealing with the stragglers, but with Ranni it’s just “okay sorry dear but we have to put off the thousand year honeymoon for a bit. Yes one of your step siblings is still alive. Yes he’s also trying to reach godhood ”
frozen olive
If anything, Golden order actively involves the gods
this yeah
Goldmasks ending solidifies the concepts of gods
and makes them less capable of change and influence
basically binding them to become eternal unchanging idols
stone cove
Honestly I kinda look at the dlc the same way, like every other ending is you br...
"yes again. Yes, his remembrance weapon is still in the closet. No I don't understand it either"
frozen olive
but there are still gods
and there must still be a lord
unlike with Ranni's ending
mighty warren
and thats why i like my frenzied flame, cause even those fuckers will burn
old brook
I don't want to step on toes but this does seem Ranni biased
She's God and You're Lord with her ending, she just boards a spaceship made of the moon and fucks off
mighty warren
I don't want to step on toes but this does seem Ranni biased
(this whole topic has admittedly felt like it has so it's not just you)
frozen olive
She's God and You're Lord with her ending, she just boards a spaceship made of t...
yes
that's what i said?
old brook
We have no idea what this means for the lands between
frozen olive
you become lord and god, and you take that influence with you and you leave
mighty warren
we have no idea what most of the endings mean long term for the lands between, cept frenzied
mighty warren
and even then frenzied still has a bit of iffiness
frozen olive
you bind the Elden Ring, cease the possibility of influence, and dip
kind garden
Old King type posting in here
frozen olive
and even then frenzied still has a bit of iffiness
in what sense?
mighty warren
Malenia
frozen olive
Old King type posting in here
100 million dead, done
mighty warren
... i spelt her name wrong again
mighty warren
Old King type posting in here
Might aswell call me that
Jokes aside i actually heavily dislike old king's ending
mighty warren
Yeah her probably
|| she's in the ending and promises to deliver 'destined death' to the MC||
kind garden
Frenzied Flame IS Old King
mighty warren
and you like the Frenzied Flame ending?
sorry for having different tastes...?
frozen olive
doesn't love the random genocide ending
loves the random genocide ending
mighty warren
Do i have to justify myself to you all?
frail sky
Yeah her probably
|| she's in the ending and promises to deliver 'destined dea...
||See, true lords of frenzy get Melina to die before embracing the flame||
mighty warren
|| i did, she still shows up||
frozen olive
they're the same thing, except Frenzied Flame is probably worse cause you don't just kill everyone, you destroy all of creation
mighty warren
It's also the general game and story surrounding it
you're looking at JUST the ending
old brook
Frenzied Flame is actually the Empower Melina ending
left willow
they're the same thing, except Frenzied Flame is probably worse cause you don't ...
Technically denature, but yeah, ff is CRINGE
old brook
We're betting on her ability to kill us
kind garden
Zero Requiem?
old brook
i was so sad when Zero lost the scythe and became a paladin smh
kind garden
wrong Zero
mighty warren
In armored core the genocide is just there and on the whims of some old coot, frenzied flame atleast ensures the eventual destruction of all forms of gods, and i'll burn them all even if i have to go with them
mighty warren
Yes but you're just ignoring any actual story?
kind garden
no one particularly benefits from Frenzied Flame, they're all corpses lol
stone cove
gdi, i left elden ring running all night -.-
mighty warren
i gave you my reasoning you're just nitpicking now
mighty warren
no one particularly benefits from Frenzied Flame, they're all corpses lol
I don't do it for anyone's benefit
i just want the gods dead.
frozen olive
well, i personally find that killing the gods doesn't matter all that much
if you also just
burn everything else too
kind of insane collateral
old brook
what's wrong with being soup
frozen olive
maybe that's just me
stone cove
Niles: You're genuinely coming across a bit creepy at this point.
old brook
have we tried
mighty warren
What happened to me not having to justify myself?
kind garden
what's wrong with being soup
I'm at soup
mighty warren
Niles: You're genuinely coming across a bit creepy at this point.
I'm sorry but i'm the one that keeps getting pressed to explain myself even though i'm not having to justify
old brook
Though the 'end' ending of FF i imagine is just sort basically
a star
just a big ol' fireball
made of all things
frail sky
(Can we move on? Y’all’re getting a bit worked up over him having a preferred game ending)
frozen olive
hey, full circle, we got from code geass to code geass
me when Code Geass
mighty warren
i like frenzied flame, what i like about it is only because it's in a game, i share no actual outside views of it
see you all later
frozen olive
i think i actually just watched half of that show before i got spoiled for the ending
kind garden
I just watched Code MENT to be real, I bounced off of the actual show HARD
limpid peak
I'm having a problem: I want to play Elden Ring but I want to play Elden Ring in so many ways that I'm not playing it at all
old brook
I'm still not quite sure what the hell Duskborn does, aside from what it says on the tin. Like. Are the skele-folks.. sapient? They do seem to worship from time to time
frozen olive
fuck if i know what was up with Age of Duskborn
limpid peak
so many cool weapons and spells
stone cove
I enjoyed Code Geass, but hahahaha, it's such ah ilarious trashfire
LASER GUIDED KARMA METEORITES
frozen olive
all i know is Fia got unmatched freak
old brook
does it grant them citizenship or just like 'it's fine if this is what happens when you die'
kind garden
okay have you ever heard "feature is bug in tux"
frozen olive
she different
stone cove
Llelouch does something? karma gonna fuck him up for it
frozen olive
iunno what the fuck she's cooking but i'll leave her to it
atomic plinth
||...where the hell are all the summon signs for Promised Consort?||
frozen olive
||...where the hell are all the summon signs for Promised Consort?||
||in front of the boss door||
limpid peak
should be just outside the door
atomic plinth
||You'd think there'd be a lot but I've only seen the NPC summon signs||
kind garden
Age of Duskborn is the "feature is bug in tux" ending of Elden Ring
limpid peak
unless a quest went wrong
atomic plinth
||in front of the boss door||
Ain't seeing any there either
kind garden
you look at this bug in Order and go "mhm yeah that's a feature actually"
limpid peak
oh right
frozen olive
Age of Duskborn makes those who live in death a part of the rules of the elden ring
limpid peak
thought you meant the NPC ones
atomic plinth
thought you meant the NPC ones
Nah I mean player signs, haven't seen a single one
frozen olive
like what does that actually entail
frozen olive
it does not
kind garden
Used to restore the fractured Elden Ring when brandished by the Elden Lord.
Formed of the two hallowbrand half-wheels combined, it will embed the principle of life within Death into Order.
The Golden Order was created by confining Destined Death. Thus, this new Order will be one of Death restored.
basically I think the implication is that with the Mending Rune of the Death-Prince, it formalizes the idea that when you die, you(r body?) continue to live as one of Those Who Live In Death
like that becomes a rule now instead of a glitch
frozen olive
wacky
slender loom
Alright I did the ||npc battle royale fight||, that was pretty cool
slender loom
Might be my favorite multi-foe fight
old brook
It does seem like it begs the question of like conversation of mass
kind garden
hard ass response tbh
old brook
Eventually we're gonna run out of stuff to make skeletons
kind garden
"how does this work"
one explanation later
"okay that sucks actually"
atomic plinth
I'm not getting summoned either weirdly enough
frozen olive
as it turns out
atomic plinth
The hell is going on...?
old brook
Maybe quit and rejoin? Sometimes there's desynch or something
kind garden
do you have a finger remedy on and/or are you disconnected from the servers
atomic plinth
...oooooooooooooooh wait I forgot to interact with the summon pool thingy, that's why
Lmao
kind garden
oof
old brook
It does feel a little silly they don't just kind of pop on as you wander close
frozen olive
i don't particularly feel like putting the weird zombie rune that the laying with corpses lady popped out of her into the source code of the world
old brook
but i get not wanting to engage with 'em i guess
frozen olive
i'm actually kind of ok with not doing that
atomic plinth
It does feel a little silly they don't just kind of pop on as you wander close
Agreed
old brook
should've told Ranni not to half-kill her brother then
stone cove
i'm actually kind of ok with not doing that
Anti undead bias. 😠
old brook
reaped and sowed, you got skeletons
stone cove
(look at my user name)
frozen olive
not come back as a skeleton
frail sky
Eventually we're gonna run out of stuff to make skeletons
Only in the same way we’ll run out of stuff to make humans
stone cove
(then consider why i am calling anti undead bias =P)
old brook
I'd love to see like.. the Shattering, things just started going so wild
kind garden
this is definitely antizombie bias on your part freyja
languid tiger
i too would like to resurrect with like a normal amount of skin
frozen olive
nah but like, i'm truly ok with the status quo when it comes to mortality and the cycle of rebirth
frozen olive
i don't think i will actually
languid tiger
and maybe following necrophilia thirst trap's instructions is not the greatest idea
old brook
I still don't know what Fia is
kind garden
yeah also I'm not gonna lie, jokes aside and all, Fia is fucking sus
old brook
Teleporting ghost woman
kind garden
like her whole schtick is just questionable and worrying all the way through
stone cove
she's Tarnished, we know that much
kind garden
even before she knifes D
stone cove
It seems to have been a genuine profession (Deathbed companion), and then... she got Tarnished and shit gets Werider.
atomic plinth
...I'm... still not seeing anything
kind garden
like yeah D is a religious zealot crusader guy and that's not something you wanna uncritically get behind but also, like, maybe he's kinda cooking when he says that TWLID are bad news
atomic plinth
Concerning
old brook
What are you playing at, George
kind garden
like they are created by glitches in the fundamental divine laws of reality, and reasserting them causes them to cease being animate
frozen olive
not a fan of D's bro killing Fia
kind garden
that is a fucking worrying phenomenon
frozen olive
but i also don't much love the Mending Rune of Duskborn
stone cove
D's bro doesnt. she's dead before he gets there.
If you never find him, Fia still dies
frozen olive
huh
slender loom
Concerning
Have you got a password set?
kind garden
yeah she's like, communing with the soulless-but-living body of Godwyn
stone cove
Basically, the Deathbed companioon seems to have been a legit thing, with the Lands Between having a complicited relationship with death. But ":lay with people to gather life force, then use it to ressurect soemoen" seems toh ave been a reocntigzed thing
kind garden
she's already donezo with life
stone cove
and then Fia basically takes it a lot, lot further "Who's the b iggest possible lord? I KNOW"
old brook
Still love finding that whole insane place fighting through three champions for the 'I'd like a hug actually'
stone cove
Even fia's a bit "uh, wtf"
frozen olive
me when i fight off hordes of soldiers and undead dragons for a hug
stone cove
Also i like Road to the Erdtree's version of Fia.
obtuse halo
Still love finding that whole insane place fighting through three champions for ...
I had a dumb run where I beat Fia's champions and then warped back to Roundtable Hold to chat with a just-fine Rogier
obtuse halo
turns out it's possible to get there with him still alive
old brook
Wrassle Fia.. I never knew'
frozen olive
i feel like as a tarnished my priorities on anything are kind of fucked anyway
frozen olive
i would fight undead dragons for a hug just as easily as i would scour the lands for things to help Boc or kill a god
old brook
For minor congeniality this Tarnished will tear down any mountain
mighty warren
If it's alright i'd like to mention one last word on why i enjoy frenzied flame?
I don't wanna kick up the conversation again, that's why i'm asking if you all are alright with it i just wanna express it
frail sky
Shoot
mighty warren
this is a personal takeaway with no real lore backing || but, Melina shows up to deliver destined death to the main character
It is my personal belief that if there is time to burn the rot, the decay, those who don't want to do anything but make things worse
I'm fine with dying by the hand of someone who'll make things better.||
|| i don't know how much is left to save, i can't with how little the ending shows, but i have hope.||
That's all
Righto, i should see what handsy is weak to
mellow silo
@frozen olive you available? (Sorry for taking so long lol, life stuff)
mellow silo
o7
frozen olive
what grace
mellow silo
Church Of Elleh, code LANCER
mellow silo
Drop a Duelist Sign so we don't get interrupted
frozen olive
had to get my spare keyboard cause my normal one decided not to work for some reason
mellow silo
frozen olive
yeah
fun stuff
i'll deal with it tomorrow
let me just check which of my characters have it, should be pretty much all of them i think
gonna hop on one that really doesn't need the set
mellow silo
(also, do you happen to have as many Thollier sets as Ansbach sets, while you're here?)
((Final boss is scary as hell))
frozen olive
give me a list of anything you want
this character has the full armor sets of all the npcs
it frankly needs none of them
proven cloak
but there are still gods
it seems to enshrine the ring itself as 'self-operating', no?
frozen olive
if you want any weapons i can check while i'm at it
proven cloak
more of a abstract divinity than any human-like gods
frozen olive
it seems to enshrine the ring itself as 'self-operating', no?
not so much as it simply forces the gods to be static
proven cloak
(even if its still held within Marika's corpse)
frozen olive
they are still there
proven cloak
well, Marika's likely dead - and theres no others gods making a claim for the ring ||after the dlc's boss||
frozen olive
with Goldmasks perfect order the gods will do fulfill the exact same role they have
they will simply be
unchanging
unable to cheat to influence the world more than their remit
as Marika did
proven cloak
Goldmask did seem to nail the GO's biggest problem imo
mellow silo
Honestly just everything gained from Final Boss. I can get pretty much everything else on my own, but the final boss is scary as all hell.
So, Ansbach Set, Tholly Set, Hidden Needle, and optionally circlet of light
frozen olive
it does also maintain Marika in the position of godhood
proven cloak
most of its flaws come from Marika
frozen olive
Honestly just everything gained from Final Boss. I can get pretty much everythin...
i can give you the flower as well
mellow silo
Sounds good, that flower is cute as hell
frozen olive
put down a red sign
proven cloak
Honestly though, I think Ranni and Goldmask's endings are far more similar than they are different
frozen olive
it's by the grace in chruch of Elleh
frozen olive
Honestly though, I think Ranni and Goldmask's endings are far more similar than ...
i agree
i just think Ranni's is a bit better
proven cloak
both identify divinities actively using their power as the main issue
proven cloak
i just think Ranni's is a bit better
same but the other way lmao
mellow silo
You Gael?
grave plinth
Unfortunately Goldmask is not wife so his ending can’t be the same as Ranni’s
frozen olive
yes
proven cloak
you 🤝 me
^ asking Dungeater wtf he's doing
proven cloak
Unfortunately Goldmask is not wife so his ending can’t be the same as Ranni’s
I love his Siddhartha swag
mellow silo
Yeah
frozen olive
if you have any other item you want i can check for it
mellow silo
I think I can get most other stuff on my own
frozen olive
righto
frozen olive
gg
mellow silo
Now time to fashion craft the best Pureblood Knight around
And also the best Eepy Boy
atomic plinth
||...god, second phase Promised Consort really wouldn't be half as bad if it wasn't for the holy lasers||
||Overall it's honestly pretty fun besides that he summons those with EVERY sword swing, that's some shit that should be a sometimes summon, not an every attack summon, you know?||
obtuse halo
Yeah that's kind of my feeling on it too
atomic plinth
||Getting better at parrying him though, on the bright side||
atomic plinth
Yeah that too
languid tiger
||but the fucking kingdom hearts-ass superlaser on the equivalent of the stomp attack is fucking peak||