#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

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covert schooner
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i cant imagine we've missed any rememberance fellas, think weve found all the dungeon, most of the items

left willow
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Can people other than "humans" be led by grace/tarnished?

covert schooner
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unclear but probably

left willow
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i.e. Living Jars or Demihumans?

covert schooner
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we don't have any examples of it happening but

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idk why they couldn't, yknow

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it's up to the greater will or

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uh

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whatever entity oversees that

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is unclear

languid tiger
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demihumans are capable of receiving Grace, at least

gray leaf
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I think there's some grace in demihuman eyes? ||I don't think there's any in saint jar eyes, but that might be due to their location as much as anything else.||

covert schooner
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||since the greater will seemingly hasn't given a shit for a long while||

left willow
gray leaf
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||Or, if it has given a shit, it doesn't have any really working way to tell us about it.||

covert schooner
gray leaf
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...anyway I should call this for the night and get some sleep probably.

languid tiger
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gn

granite pawn
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find my message and give me reddit karma thank you

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left willow
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Is there a name for the area that is made up by Consecrated Snowfields and Mountaintops of the Giants?

covert schooner
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Something like the forbidden lands

granite pawn
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Yeah, the whole of the area is kinda the Forbidden Lands.

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Though, it's a little like how there's Northern Limgrave and then the Peninsula. They're both 'Limgrave' but they're also distinct zones.

noble acorn
left willow
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I haven't fought him yet, so he wasn't on my radar

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WELP

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I officially just need to run down some talents and formulate some equipment and how the Statuses work and I could run an Elden Ring game in Genesys,

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Hyperfixation save failed

frozen olive
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(post final boss spoilers)||Really happy actually with how this turned out||

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obtuse halo
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Huh. Wouldn't have thought to combine it with Malekith's set but yeah that looks solid

frozen olive
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this is a cosplay fit btw

obtuse halo
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||I never really liked Radahn's set for player character fashion but sometimes it works||

frozen olive
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it's supposed to be Genesic GaoGaiGar

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here is with the second set of weapons

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tropic stream
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wtf spear is that???

frozen olive
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||Swift Spear||

tropic stream
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interesting

frozen olive
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using Sacred Order to get that look

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using it to mimic the Nail that GaoGaiGar uses to rip out the cores of his enemies before defeating them with his hammer

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obtuse halo
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Amazing spear btw

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way stronger than it looks, it has a unique moveset and its MVs are fuuuuucked

frozen olive
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yeah it's really fucking good

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i'm using 3 weapons and a shield for this build but i think the spear is going to be super good

golden pond
frozen olive
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that goofy ass squeaky hammer literally atomically obliterates anything it hits and turns it into light particles

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in fact

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not even atomically

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fucking sub-atomically

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A gigantic hammer containing an artificial gravity well at its center that generates a "custom" shockwave, transforming all particles in contact with its striking surface into photons below the atomic level.

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squeaky hammer of total obliteration

golden pond
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turns them into squeak-waves of light

frozen olive
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complete and total annihilation, very effective for taking care of enemies

stable cedar
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is spinning strikes any good for staggering ||furnace golems||

golden pond
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deals similar stance damage to wild strikes it seems

stable cedar
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Well I guess the good news is that my strategy isn't suboptimal

languid tiger
stable cedar
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The bad news of course is that this means that big stompy bastard is giving me the right amount of a migraine

languid tiger
golden pond
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accoridng to fextra each spin hit does 6, light ofllow is 12, heavy is 16

tropic stream
golden pond
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WHAT'S NOT TO LIKE

tropic stream
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imagine liking twinks more than bears smh

golden pond
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click on my profile

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right now

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friendly fire bestie

tropic stream
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XDDDDDDD

stone cove
languid tiger
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there's a whole-ass self-contained pipeline right there

frail sky
tropic stream
golden pond
tropic stream
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YES, AND?

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I'M NOT A BEAR XDDDDD

golden pond
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bears counts as fat bitches

tropic stream
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THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS

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XD

golden pond
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AIR BUD CLAUSE MOTHERFUCKER

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THER'ES NO RULE THAT SAYS BEARS CAN'T BE BTICHES

real shadow
frail sky
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(Why is the best quality image of Red Bear I can find an Esoterickk thumbnail)

gray leaf
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imagine if you could use barbaric roar on hand-to-hand weapons to change heavy attacks on them too. Pull out some ||Horah Loux|| moves.

tropic stream
frail sky
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(Also the file name for fextra’s Red Bear image is mr-teddy and I think that’s great)

tropic stream
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The closest is Hewg

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Who is an otter

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Fight me

golden pond
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hewg isn't a bear, what

tropic stream
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He's an otter

frail sky
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An… otter?

tropic stream
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hairy twink basically

golden pond
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bro has no hair except on his face

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tropic stream
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Hello, I know terms for various archetypes of gay men because I was convinced I was one has a teen

golden pond
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mf is clean shaven

frail sky
tropic stream
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Admittedly Lynn has posted receipts which revealed that I confused the scales as also hiding some hair

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which they don't lol

golden pond
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FRAUD ALERT

golden pond
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the closest would be fire giant

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stable cedar
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hoarah loux should have been a bear dammit

golden pond
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SHOULD'VE BEEN BUILT LIKE GOD OF WAR THOR

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BIG BOY

grave plinth
stable cedar
golden pond
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also not a bear cause not a big boy

dusty kraken
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Godrick desides to become much more dangerous boss, melds with Actual Runebear.

stable cedar
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well, not "too muscley" but yknow

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BFP too low

grave plinth
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I know a guy who does bara art all the time, Godfrey is 100% in the bear umbrella

obtuse halo
stable cedar
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we can't prove the dung eater isn't hairy under there

golden pond
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like this is bara

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but not bear

mellow silo
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... You know I'm not even gonna question this conversation

golden pond
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bear is specifically fat and hairy

golden pond
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not bear (animal)

mellow silo
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Anyways, Milady is being very cool. I have obtained a third one

stable cedar
golden pond
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i don't classify as bear if i put on a fur coat that makes me look fat

kind garden
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Bear = muscle plus belly

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I don’t make the rules

stable cedar
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And body hair

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Can't forget the hair

golden pond
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mostly fat and body hair

stable cedar
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GOT HIM

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||GOLEM|| DOWN

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HARDTEAR ACQUIRED

kind garden
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bless

obtuse halo
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woo!

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I skipped those entirely on bow-only

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i'm not sure they're actually possible

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maybe if I broke out radahn's rain hoping for a stance break but even so that sounds miserable lol

signal harness
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At least one of them you can ||cheese with elevation and furnace pots||

kind garden
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you can kill a lot of them that way

stone cove
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iirc, it's only the Defelcting Hardtear one you cant.

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...and evne then , acutally hmm

covert schooner
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i used pest threads

stable cedar
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ended up going with double slash with vyke's dragonbolt

covert schooner
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to stagger the shit ot of them and then hit them

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only used the pots on the oes with the uhhh

stable cedar
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stacked the fire resist talisman and the fire resist incant and just smacked the shit out of the legs

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fire giant style

covert schooner
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reinforced feets

obtuse halo
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yeah pest threads is great

stone cove
obtuse halo
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you can absolutely do some strats with them, bow-only is just specifically bad at anything that requires a stance break

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fashion, maybe?

stable cedar
stone cove
stable cedar
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plus I cancel the debuff with whichever resist incantation I have

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I think my standard loadout from here on out incantation-wise is going to be vykes, bestial vitality, golden vow, whichever fortification is most relevant and one of the status removal ones if appropriate

old brook
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After much testing, Tibia's Summons remains not very good but pretty funny

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Honestly if it didn't need you to Stance Up like Meteorite it might be alright, mix in with slower projectiles n such, but.. yeah

covert schooner
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Is that the new tibia thing?

obtuse halo
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it's the old tibia thing

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it was always kinda funny on rosus' axe though

frail sky
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IIRC it’s actually good on rosus’ ace

golden pond
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however, Flame Coil is fucking insane for faith builds

obtuse halo
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the Rosus' Axe version does more damage and also hits more often because it comes with a real weapon swing that often staggers the target

old brook
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But it's tragically attached to axe moveset v-v

obtuse halo
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either pinning them briefly for the followup hits or possibly rollcatching them

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axe moveset is fine 😭

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I have a viking-style character with the black leather shield and highland axe and it's fine!

golden pond
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plus it's really fucking hard to miss them most of the time

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because they have nuts tracking

frail sky
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They feel like straight swords now

obtuse halo
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Still probably don't powerstance them though. I found the powerstance moveset for them to be...not great

old brook
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They just don't hit me right, sometimes I want a stabbin' motion

golden pond
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i believe they weren't made for stabbin

old brook
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And yeah any powerstance where they like split up the hits.. they never do enough poise to not get knocked outta the initial hit or somethin

frail sky
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Yeah the powerstance moveset is kinda bad

mellow silo
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Aka Halberd lmao

obtuse halo
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huh. I never paid attention to the thrusting shields but I guess CTS is just the new Clayman's Harpoon, huh.

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Base magic damage and int scaling, fully buffable and infusable

glossy delta
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Yeah, though somewhat paradoxically it's best off on standard infusion for its God Block
Especially as it being buffable when uninfused lets you put scholars shield on it

obtuse halo
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yeah

glossy delta
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(annoyingly, it cannot take scholars armament, though you can buff its attacks with arts like chilling mist or cragblade)

left willow
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What % of a level in runes do people carry before it ends up making you antsy?

frail sky
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100% of a level

spark pine
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Anything less than 90% of a level I’m like “I can get this back in 2 minutes at the Albinauric factory

mellow silo
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Infinite runes. I don't plan on leveling up, so runes mean nothing. As for characters that actually still level, about 80 percent

signal harness
mellow silo
fleet bronze
stable cedar
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Made the mistake of looking for... something or other on fextralife and was reminded of how bonkers Millicent's prosthesis is and how I'm absolutely not going to get it lmao

stone cove
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I uh, may have done Milicent real dirty in my current run. Sorry Mili!

obtuse halo
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😦

stone cove
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Look, it's objectively over of the strongest talisman choices for Milady

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Normally I get around this by cheating it in, but well.

frail sky
stone cove
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I'm being good about that shit since it's a streamed run

frail sky
stone cove
stone cove
frail sky
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I think that’s the earliest you can kill her for the talisman? Not that I would know, I definitely haven’t killed her before for her extremely powerful talisman

stone cove
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That is in fact the earliest, yes

frail sky
stone cove
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Also it stacks with the Winged Sword insignin & the rotten version, But rotten doesn't stack with the basic Winged Sword

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So you actually leave a bunch of power on the ground by not getting it in your first ng run, assuming you're using weapons that benefit it

old brook
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Yeah but. Rude.

frail sky
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I only kill Millicent when I’m doing a marais build, otherwise I just deal with not being able to stack damage as highly

old brook
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My talismans usually at a premium anyhow but I guess if it's like a Swing Fast And That's It thing

gray leaf
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One could argue that this is an actual example of a specific type of moral choice (albeit one where you don't know the consequences of your choice, without a guide): doing the right thing has a tangible cost. It's not like you give up on one thing by being good, but then get something else roughly equivalent; there's a tangible opportunity cost to being good.

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It doesn't do it by chastising you for being evil, either. And Elden Ring isn't directly a game about moral choices, although they do come up (typically not ever announced as such). But it fits well for what is an understatedly post-apocalyptic world to make it so that selfishness has real rewards and selflessness has real costs, and sometimes you're repaid in kind, and sometimes you aren't.

obtuse halo
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For what it’s worth I have maxed out my saves and seen most of the game’s possible endings and never harmed Millicent😭

dusty kraken
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Hides my collection of metal hands

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I don't think I've ever picked the option that hurts Millicent. I merely turned her into a beautiful flower!

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||More seriously: No, I always go with the 'let her die with dignity' option||

left willow
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I love Elden Ring's NPC choices. A lot of them are really morally ambiguous so it deeply encourages considering both sides of the story. And sometimes, you feel encouraged to take an evil (or at least really nasty) choices for the aid it will give you in ascendence to being the Elden Lord

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(My character's choice is always: Good for More magic?)

modest berry
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endgame ||tarnished will do dastardly deeds along the way towards their lordly ascension but when I, Miquella the Kind||

frail sky
left willow
gray leaf
left willow
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It's so so weird, animation-wise

kind garden
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||He stood on his beliefs and morals until they were literally all he had to stand on, and when he sold those out for the power he needed to make them a reality, he had lost himself||

glossy delta
gray leaf
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||Instead, he has a plan. And he's acted on that plan, and done horrible things in order to achieve his aims, but his aims are ultimately purely benevolent. And it's not even clear how flawed his plan is, or how well it would have worked if we didn't interfere. Presumably, it was flawed. Potentially, it was deeply immoral, although we don't actually know for sure what it would have entailed. But that vagueness further complicates things.||

modest berry
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||a victim of irony perhaps as well, mopping up the deeds of your mother by repeating her actions, and it is very much the plan of a child, everyone play nice because i say so 😠 the fresh eyed optimism of i can fix it this time. and interesting take, if it wasnt something used actively, it must be sad and to be someone with charm powers nobody can love you willingly, and when someone does say no you dont know how to deal with it. ||

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||i personally am not a huge fan of the idea that everyone at the halig and even their sister were charmed because i think that bitters the tree and what it means for me . but if they were just by proximity that is just as sad||

gray leaf
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||Miquella set out to make the world a better place, and, unlike many such fromsoft characters, remained steady along that path until the very end. He didn't lose himself to anger or vengance or greed, like so many others have, nor was he mired in prejudice, nor was his plan obviously flawed because it called upon something which should not have been interfered with. It wasn't even a selfish version of "better". If he lost his way, it was only in the little ways, which of course matter more than they might seem at the time... but he set out to become a god, and he did. And then, he planned to rewrite the world such that kindness was a fundamental aspect of its very nature; he would take the Grace of Gold, and its guidance towards enemies and strife and control, and replace it with unalloyed compassion, with implications we don't actually know.||

modest berry
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||true, i feel people are just assuming that it would be giga mind control world when this was never textually stated||

gray leaf
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||I don't think everyone at the Haligtree was charmed. If nothing else, there's many people who never actually met Miquella in person and yet support him, and even after the charm is broken, some of his followers remain every bit as loyal (if not every bit as coordinated and coherent).||

modest berry
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also unrelated sidenote i watched a streamer play the dlc today and man i hate when people skip past shit like character questlines or text and then are like " whats happenign whos this they dont explain anything" though the latter is more common in fromsoft work ill concede

kind garden
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||Something that's quietly implied but never stated outright is who chose Miquella: every other child of Marika and Radagon was born cursed and possessed by an Outer God, so why was Miquella left alone?||

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||My pet theory is that unalloyed gold signifies that Miquella wasn't left alone, just that the one to choose him was the Greater Will itself.||

gray leaf
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||Was Malenia? ...I was about to say no, but then I remembered the one visual depiction of Miquella we had in the base game was a statue of him hugging Malenia, which looks like kindness but is also the method by which he steals our heart...||

modest berry
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||there is never an outer god stated, but miquella was 100 percent cursed ||

kind garden
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||yeah I realize that||

gray leaf
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||Given that his youth is described in the exact same way as Malenia's rot, which we know is the result of an Outer God, it stands to reason that he was afflicted by one as well.||

modest berry
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||eternal youth an eternal forming into being, but never coming to fruition but potentially ive seen this interpreted as an eternal naiveite, and potentially a curse of never being able to finish anything they set out for, the haligtree fails, the godwyn plan fails, the pod plan fails, the radahn assaination and godhood plan fails, all plans died in the cocoon ||

kind garden
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||But why, when Messmer contains the Base Serpent and Malenia the God of Rot [and who knows what Melina is concealing behind her sealed eye] is it that Miquella has no tag-along deity... unless it was in plain sight all along?||

gray leaf
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I... have a crackpot theory. But, before I confirm it, in what order were the various demigod children born (more or less)?

kind garden
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||Messmer and Melina, then Godwyn, Morgott and Mohg, Rykard, Ranni, and Radahn, and then Malenia and Miquella||

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||Order within each set of demigod siblings isn't strictly known, though I believe Rykard is the oldest of the Carian kids?||

modest berry
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||melina also might have been reborn somehow last after the sealing of the queen im not 100 on that||

modest berry
modest berry
kind garden
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||Fucked up that Messmer knew kid Radahn, honestly, hell, the Carian kids grew up knowing about the lands of Shadow and then at some point Marika went "nah that shit's going into the shadow realm"||

gray leaf
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My theory is as thus: ||Radagon's red hair was explicitly tied to the fire giants at various points. Additionally, Messmer and Melina have flames not related to any Outer God they host. My theory is that Radagon was not Marika at the point in time when those two were born, and thus passed along an affinity for fire, which all of the other children lacked. Although... Radahn is notably Very Large, and we know nothing about the physical properties of Rykard and Ranni originally. So if we're assuming "Radagon is Marika" describes fusion, not fission, that could set up a possible timeline for that fusion.||

left willow
dusty kraken
gray leaf
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||You're not wrong. Radahn is BIG, though, and called out as such in universe.||

dusty kraken
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||Like the average person is pretty normal scale but the setting runs on One Piece rules, where sometimes you get a guy who's just Unreasonably Big without a given reason.||

modest berry
# gray leaf My theory is as thus: ||Radagon's red hair was explicitly tied to the fire giant...

||i agree, she is a shaman and used that fleshmelding harmony to fuse her and radagon for godhood, they were not originally the same person. not the same as the trina miq split, all the carian kids +malenia are tall with firey hair, similar to their dad, i also agree that melina and messmer might have been sired by them before they fused though it was being born of one god alone that cursed the youngest pair|| i could be totally wrong on that first part tho

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i also think having a great rune, just makes you bigger

kind garden
# gray leaf My theory is as thus: ||Radagon's red hair was explicitly tied to the fire giant...

||Oh, see, I think Messmer and Melina are Marika/Radagon kids of eld, from immediately after Marika separated Radagon from herself [psst Radagon's leitmotif is in the Messmer boss theme] and Radagon, being exiled from Marika as a being, was meant to take Fire with him and fuck off and die like St. Trina but Marika did a taboo, shagged her own castoff, and produced a bunch of cursed kids||

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||In between, when Marika and Radagon weren't screwing each other, they produced the sum total 4 uncursed demigod children (and Morgott and Mohg got cursed anyways because momma's a genocide enjoyer)||

modest berry
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||interesting thing about melina as well, shes the only kid to have hair that is strawberry blonde or pink a fusion of the parents hair colors, not just blonde or firey ||

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could mean nothing of course lol

kind garden
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what I still don't know is why Messmer's got that snake in him

gray leaf
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I also have a really crackpot theory regarding the Haligtree, based on the theory from the Tarnished Archeologist that the Erdtree was burnt once before: ||he posits that the Scadutree is in some sense born from the burning of the Erdtree. I wouldn't be surprised if it I'm missing something, but... is there any canonical reference to the Scadutree being two trees twisted around each other, rather than just one which twists itself?||

||One thing that's important to note is that you can't leave the Land of Shadow save by the Guidance of Grace. For that matter, you don't seem to be able to enter save for whatever Mohg did, or by dying. Miquella plans on abandoning Grace, and replacing it. So how's he going to get out? Answer: he allows the Haligtree to die, poisoned by Malenia's own Rot (which would be a very strange thing to have happen by accident), and its corpse winds aroung the Scadutree and in doing so provides a way home.||

kind garden
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especially when Rykard has that snake outside him.

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and like

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all around him

modest berry
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||i think he was born with it, and melina might have that gloam in her, which i think might ruin the the theory of an unfused radika there, because explicitly the single god parent is what curses you i think??||

gray leaf
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Rykard's snake is an entirely external thing which ate him, and then they fused. Messmer's snake, as far as I can tell, ||is an Outer God just like the Goddess of Rot, which inhabited him since he's an Empyrean.||

modest berry
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||however there is a snake shed skin in bonny village so maybe it got into her somehow before she was with child??||

gray leaf
kind garden
gray leaf
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That's actually also a very good theory. Or at least an interesting one. ||The central tree especially looks burnt, but they kind of both do.||

kind garden
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||Hell, "parasitize" is kind of a clumsy wording. She grafted it there.||

modest berry
kind garden
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||Nah you right||

modest berry
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||i think its a fine wording i figured it was like a strangling fig when i first saw it||

gray leaf
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It's definitely evocative of that, yes.

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||And given that the Crucible isn't in the Lands Between, but the Land of Shadow... it stands to reason that the Scadutree is the original erdtree... maybe? Or is it one tree in two places? It's all very unclear.||

kind garden
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||The Erdtree seen outside is explicitly not a real tree, but an illusion||

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||It's a symbol of Order, dominion over the Lands Between||

gray leaf
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||Not explicitly, but that's the Tarnished Archeologist's theory, and I can certainly believe it.||

modest berry
kind garden
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||I thought we got straight up confirmation that the Erdtree is not a physical object and the Roundtable Hold that’s said to be in its boughs is spatially displaced?||

gray leaf
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||The Roundtable Hold is not in the Erdtree's boughs???? Though it burns when you burn the Erdtree, so maybe? And the explicit confirmation you're thinking of was talking about the Erdtree as an "object of faith", which could mean that it's a physical object which was worshipped as a symbol rather than due to the actual properties of its sap. It could be interpreted either way.||

glossy delta
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||We walk on its roots constantly in leyndell and, well, deeproot, though||
||And the giant club is one of its branches||

gray leaf
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||The giant club is? But, to be fair, walking on its roots isn't the same as being in its boughs; those are the canopy.||

kind garden
glossy delta
# 
striking weapon requires no dexterity; only brute force.

While it may seem sacrilegious, this weapon is said to be a withered branch of the Erdtree.
Imbued with holy power, this weapon will never snap. ```

It's also visibly covered in golden leaves, if we're gonna bring up the 'said to be'
modest berry
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||yeah theres like a "real roundtable" that you can go to in leyendell at the base but theres a spiritual subrealm inside the erdtree ||

left willow
glossy delta
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🔫

kind garden
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||The Erdtree clearly has some combination of real physical presence (dripping amber, having physical branches you can pick up and swing, etc.) and metaphorical magical stuff going on (Grace allowing you to warp space to travel, the giant Grace within that allows you to enter the Elden Beast’s bizarre altar, the Roundtable)||

atomic plinth
gray leaf
left willow
kind garden
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Oh, fuck, I have no idea where I recall that from

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I think it was Melina dialogue?

left willow
kind garden
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No I mean the not Finger Maiden

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Hey Marika

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Spare a few more letters for your kids’ names maybe?

left willow
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hahahaha

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Renalla and Relanna are my biggest gripe on that front

kind garden
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Like I’m just saying, making X names with only so many letters in the Scrabble bank and all of them starting with M has led to some confusion

modest berry
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but its so fucking funny, and it tells you when someone is related ( sometimes)

kind garden
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Godfrey finding the O tiles was a godsend

gray leaf
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Yeah, characters from the same lineage have names starting with the same first letter.

kind garden
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Meanwhile Radagon is clearly more blessed with literacy, as his kids all have the naming theme but Radahn, Ranni, and Rykard have much more variety

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That or

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Let’s be real

modest berry
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also his full name being moghwyn probably means that its like, joe lord of blood of the joseph dynasty

kind garden
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Rennala was the literate one

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That’s what she brought to the relationship

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Literacy and also phenomenal magic powers

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And a better naming sense than the golden strumpet

left willow
kind garden
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After some hundred years (idk, how long do people live in Elden Ring’s setting?) of getting confused with her sister I bet Rennala was not eager to curse her children with similar problems

kind garden
#

Tbh that’s damn inconvenient if you’re trying to study

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Sorry

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School library’s closed indefinitely due to a depressed old witch getting imprisoned in there

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But hey, at least you don’t have to pay the overdue fees

gray leaf
modest berry
#

for sure i just think that his boss fight being labeled as his nickname is the funny part

kind garden
#

Joe, of the Joseph Clan (that he started)

glossy delta
atomic plinth
#

Is the Ash of War version of Ghostflame Ignition worth using at all?

kind garden
#

I mean, Ghostflame Ignition goes hard

modest berry
#

i suppose, i suppose i just assumed since his brother has a longer two part name that that would make it kinda even, and hed be in part named after his older nontwin brother

kind garden
#

so if you have a weapon you'd rather be swinging around than the Death's Poker, like

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Ghostflame Ignition: Pretty Fuggin' Good

covert schooner
#

Man with ghostflame being in the dlc I kinda expected more elaboration on what’s up with it

kind garden
#

is flame

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is ghost

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are you a jokester

atomic plinth
#

Right, thanks

kind garden
atomic plinth
#

I was just worried it was a nerfed version or something

glossy delta
#

From dlcs are good at answering a bunch of questions that aren't actually the ones you were trying to have answered

kind garden
#

uhh more seriously ghostflame seems to be a phenomenon around spirit ashes and the remains of the dead who haven't moved on, been reanimated as TWLID, etc.

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a previous culture believed in raking the ashes out and burning them, producing ghostflame and freeing the spirits

kind garden
#

which rather directly answers a bunch of ontological questions about the setting but in a way that really only makes things more confusing

covert schooner
#

In all fairness I’m actually VERY happy with the way they’ve done the dlc lore this time around

kind garden
#

bloodborne is so fucking peak for just not being interested in explaining shit that doesn't need explaining

covert schooner
#

They’ve answered stuff but left a bunch up to interpretation or open for exploration which is quintessential

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I really can’t think of anything in ER that still really needs explaining

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Like even the gloam eyed Queen thing is like

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Nah we don’t really need to know more about that

kind garden
#

We know everything we really need to know about that situation

covert schooner
#

It’s a crisis that was handled long ago and we just run into like

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The dregs and remains

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Of that faction

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It’s a good “the golden order felt with a bunch of random shit” kinda tidbit

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*delt

kind garden
#

lots of lingering questions to ask, but none that would actually improve the story if they were answered

covert schooner
#

Honestly like

left willow
#

Gods I love running into the remnants of an apocalypse diverted.

covert schooner
#

If I ran that pre or just post shattering tabletop game, there godskins and the Queen would be good villains

#

Since there’s so little we know about them

#

But it’s implied there were once a LOT more demigods in the vein of Godrick

left willow
#

It makes it feel like the world didn't just fold to the first real threat

covert schooner
#

Yeah

kind garden
#

while I love how the lore works in Elden Ring (and in the Souls-es), Bloodborne truly was peak for just not giving a FUCK

covert schooner
#

And the golden order weren’t like

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Purely imperialist and evil

#

They did do some good

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They stopped the Crazy Cult of Skinning People

kind garden
#

"Deep within the eye is a sky that rumbles with an eternal meteor storm. That's why it can shoot meteors."
"Would you care to elaborate on that?"
"No."

covert schooner
#

also the wandering merchants having once been extremely populous is great for TTRPG shenanigans

kind garden
#

also sometimes you get ominous warnings like this in Bloodborne

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"The bell-ringing woman rings a sinister bell"

#

deranged shit

modest berry
#

also like the peices of words of god in k6bd, shard of the elden ring/ runes are a great conceit for why certain people are more powerful than others spread out over the world and coalesced in higher concentrations, and why the party gets more powerful after whackin em

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mid shattering campaign, ,,, some of the world has fallen into ruin and apocolypse whiile some stands firm, battlefields rage for years,.. need

covert schooner
#

Tbh like in dark souls I kinda like the idea that peoples size just naturally varies in the lands between

stable cedar
#

whether or not it does end up just being ashina

covert schooner
#

I mean they couldn’t ever say it is probably but

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I mean I think it’s just ‘Japan’, not literally Ashina since that game is roughly historically set

stone cove
stable cedar
stone cove
#

Land of Reeds seems to almost literally be "Warring States Japan, but spookier"

left willow
stone cove
#

(I should not be taken seriously on this bit)

left willow
#

(my desire to retort with something inappropriate is high)

obtuse halo
#

Just based on the fact that the elden throne is appropriately sized for you

stone cove
#

They're actually just doing a ranni, got a resized throne built for them.

#

and then camera angle cheating

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(it is never not funny that Ranni sits on stuff to make her look bigger)

left willow
#

Ranni is a doll (complimentary).

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Ranni is a doll (factual).

golden pond
#

Ranni made a doll that looks like her mentor
Then made a smaller doll
And was bamboozled how we recognised her when she was in the smaller doll
They look the same

left willow
#

Yeah.... little Ranni Doll being confused that we figured out that it's also Ranni is 10/10 to me

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It makes me wonder if Ranni is some kind of.... size blind? or? like... if two things are the same but different enough size she doesn't recognize it

obtuse halo
#

I think it’s more identifying her as still literally the actual Ranni hiding in a tiny doll, as opposed to finding a free but utterly lifeless ranni fumo

dusty kraken
#

I love the manga just going 'no, there's a lot of Ranni dolls, this is just the one she had her soul in'

obtuse halo
#

I mean that much is true, i have one in my room

languid tiger
#

I only have a ranni keychain sadcowboy

golden pond
dusty kraken
#

I must admit, I'm curious what Ranni's plan was if you didn't find her in the doll.

covert schooner
#

She was gonna DO IT HERSELF

#

Considering her plans prior to now have taken like

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Thousands of years to pan out

#

Probably something crazy long term lol

fleet bronze
#

Yeah she was just going to walk on her little tiny doll legs somehow

#

I get the impression Ranni is kind of making it up as she goes along

left willow
#

I kinda wonder if she had a different body she used for a but, but underestimated the Baleful Shadow is and it got destroyed, so she had the little doll as one of a few backup plans

stone cove
left willow
#

Now I wanna do a run that's just a "Collect Funko Pops" run

dusty kraken
stone cove
#

It took way too long to find this gif.

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Watch Thunderbolt Fantasty.

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It's great

left willow
#

tw: cursed internet meme [COGNITO HAZARD] ||I just hope we don't find a jar to fit her in||

stone cove
golden pond
left willow
#

Nnoooooooo!

#

I'M SCREAMING AT WORK

golden pond
left willow
#

no, no, bad lynn

#

I made a bad joke. You don't need to make it worse

#

Y^Y

golden pond
languid tiger
#

question: is anyone aware of a mod that lets you change an ER toon's "starting class" (more specifically, changing your base stats to one of the starting class's arrays), or am i just going to have to install cheat engine if i want to do that?

stone cove
#

I dont think even cheat engine can do it.

#

it;'s very annoying

languid tiger
#

i know cheat engine can change your starting class, and using rennala resets your stats to its bases

stone cove
#

Wait, it can!?

#

Fucking hell

languid tiger
#

i've seen people do that a number of times

#

i just don't want to fiddle with it myself

golden pond
#

it's not super convoluted

#

It also includes ways to turn off EAC and launch offline so you can do it freely without a ban

frozen olive
#

Thinking about what stat distribution i should use for my cosplay build

#

Thankfully all of the weapons i plan to use are infusable, i'll prolly want to do something with str or dex

golden pond
#

i love windows

#

my triggerso n controllers now turn camera left adn right

frozen olive
#

Might do a str build honestly

#

Gotta check the scaling with different infusions though

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My current test build has both str and dex at 80 iirc so i can test out both of those as well as quality to see what ends up being best

golden pond
#

i'm unironically gonna use commander's standard as a halberd instead of a fleeting buff

frozen olive
#

Absolute insanity

golden pond
#

i quite like that it's a pokey move set

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with heavy slashing R2s

golden pond
#

i started unironically using it and it's fun

paper badge
raw coral
#

DLC lore question: ||are the jar shaman enemies you find in the dlc the actual “saints” mentioned in the various item descriptions, or are they failed attempts at saints?||

grave plinth
#

Appears to be a localization error.

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The word translated as “shaman” in the Great Jar description is different from the word translated as “shaman” elsewhere

raw coral
#

||Well, I know its supposed to be Marika’s people from the Shaman Village in the jars||

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||I’m mainly asking because of a thought I’ve had floating around my head, being that creating someone like Marika was the intent behind the Jars||

atomic marsh
proper vortex
#

man glintstone spiral and illimited FP+Stamina physics is riduclous on placidusax

obtuse halo
#

spiral shard is ridiculous on anything big tbh

frail sky
#

It’s the int version of pest threads

obtuse halo
#

basically

languid tiger
#

if only it was as fast

obtuse halo
#

my favorite new sorcery is definitely the Spectral Rings though

#

it's not actually amazing or anything, but it has really good tracking and range

mellow silo
#

Tempted to do the funny Doomguy Verdigris/Rabbath Cannon build

obtuse halo
#

I saw someone's fashion with verdigris gloves/boots, igon's hat, and hornsent's robe as a Rabbath Cannoneer

#

it looked way better than it sounds on paper

mellow silo
#

Hell yeah

#

I did a similar set-up a while ago

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languid tiger
#

the cloak really makes it

mellow silo
#

Arrow talismans acquired

frail sky
slender loom
#

Hmm. I see the ||huge dragon|| on the southern part of the map, but I can’t seem to figure out how to get up there. Been trying to find the way up for days now

signal harness
frozen olive
#

not me sitting here doing math calcs to see if it's worth starting as Vagabond instead of Wretch for the hopefully eventual seamless playthrough i'm going to do with my friends

obtuse halo
#

high odds of yes if you're not using arcane for anything

frozen olive
#

hmmmm

#

i think Vagabond is optimal yeah

#

Confessor and Samurai technically would take less levels to make the build able to use all the weapons but they also have a bunch of waster stat points

#

also less vigor than Vagabond

obtuse halo
#

yeah the thing about vagabond compared to wretch is five of its levels are right into vigor, so it's really only 3 RLs ahead of wretch unless you were going vigorless for some insane reason

frozen olive
#

with Vagabond i will need 29 levels to make all the weapons come online and start with higher vigor and less stat waste than Wretch

#

Wretch also needs 32 levels to make all the weapons work

#

got some wacky stat reqs

#

i need 11 fai and int as well as 24 str and 26 dex for everything to work properly

obtuse halo
#

oh yeah if you only need 11 fai/int that's already worth the 9 int/9 fai because you're distributing three fewer points to arcane

frozen olive
#

yup

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smithscript shit having that goofy ass stat distro losing me like, 4 levels

mellow silo
slender loom
#

I’ll check that out next time I start up the game!

covert schooner
#

IM AT THE LAST FIGHT

#

ITS SO RAW

#

HOLY SHIT

#

||BECOME A LORD, A LORD NOT FOR GODS BUT FOR MEN||

frozen olive
#

||RAAAAAAAAGHGG I'LL DO IT ANSBACH, I'LL DO IT FOR YOU AND THE OTHERS||

covert schooner
#

||Thollier’s character arc is also really good||

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||realizing in the eleventh hour that you were telling the truth and manning up||

frozen olive
#

||Bro locked in so fucking hard after realizing you weren't trying to out-simp him and actually were relaying St.Trinas earnest wish||

covert schooner
#

also wow this guy is a real motherfucker and a half

frozen olive
#

Hot tip

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||Summoning Thiollier and Ansbach doubles his healthbar||

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||With both of them he has somewhere around 100k health iirc||

covert schooner
#

Yeah no I would love them to be in the fight but

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Good god

frozen olive
#

Yeah...

old brook
#

Maybe if they knew how to dodge, or.. did any damage

frozen olive
#

||Miquella was not playing with making Mohg body Radahn, that man is fucking built different||

covert schooner
#

They do good damage just

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Not enough to offset

old brook
#

They ||Had their moment in the last fight, it's ok grampa, i've been eating the other demigods, you can sit down||

obtuse halo
#

Of the two I'd say ||Thiollier|| is more useful

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||he actually frequently applies poison to the boss, I have never seen Ansbach trigger bleed without my help||

frozen olive
#

||I've seen it multiple times||

covert schooner
#

||also, he’s still very easy to rot!||

#

Also the penultimate fight of the dlc might for real be the coolest fight in the game if not one of the coolest in the series

kind garden
#

||Those United In Purpose goes hard as hell||

covert schooner
#

I take it that’s their theme?

kind garden
#

aye, but it's also what people call the fight

covert schooner
#

Ahhhh

obtuse halo
#

the actual final fight is ironically part of the falling action

covert schooner
#

It’s really interesting that ||Leda|| kinda becomes the villain of the dlc even over ||Miquella or Radhan||

#

||Ansbach is kinda helping actually, he draws aggro and is fairly aggressive||

tropic stream
#

So I've noticed something interesting about a certain word choice on Ansbach's part

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'Shrive' possibly means what I initially interpreted it as i.e. wipe clean, scourge, etc

#

But it also means, as its main definition, to offer absolution as a priest does during confession

gray leaf
#

👀

tropic stream
#

it is the origin word for 'shrift' as well

#

and the phrase 'short shrift' was originally about priests giving barely enough time for a condemned person to confess their sins before their execution

#

So do we think Ansbach is pulling a double meaning here?

#

I think he is, given Miquella is very, very, very Christlike in the depiction of his actions and his presentation

#

Actually

#

This is leading me towards an even bigger fuckin crack theory

#

Has anyone else heard the theory that the writer of the Poetic and Prose Eddas twisted earlier and now lost depictions of Baldur, a notably youthful, blond of hair, and beloved god to nod at the idea that Baldur is also the Christian God?

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Since Baldur is killed, buried, and emerges as the single God after Ragnarok

obtuse halo
#

Yeah I always read that moreso into Godwyn though

tropic stream
#

Honestly fair

obtuse halo
#

Godwyn being very much the Baldur of the Lands Between

tropic stream
#

Though I think Miquella being BaldurJesus is strengthened by him literally having crosses

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But Godwyn fits much more how Baldur died, i.e. via the only thing able to kill him, something interfered with by his mother, also blond and beloved and youthful etc etc etc

obtuse halo
#

he's definitely more jesus-y than...anyone

grave plinth
#

Miquella is the latest iteration of the Fromsoft "divine child" archetype

gray leaf
#

...I feel like I can't use the word "shrive" as my word of the day while the DLC is still new 😔 but I definitely could/should have done that. I didn't know about the confessional aspect; I just remembered it from the DSIII Shriving Stone.

grave plinth
#

The Monumental, Gwyndolin, Lothric, Kuro, etc.

obtuse halo
#

honestly the word shrive just makes me think of Snuff Out the Light, a cut song from an ancient version of The Emperor's New Groove that ironically never saw the light

#

the song was recorded but never really used for anything

tropic stream
gray leaf
#

Miquella's a bit of an interesting twist on it because of ||the extent to which he takes total ownership over it. Lothric, although not a major character, was hardly passive, but it was clear he was fighting a pyrrhic battle.||

grave plinth
feral linden
#

So much cut content from darksouls2 that wouldve made it (earthen) peak

Ds2 walked so elden ring could win a marathon

tropic stream
covert schooner
#

I love the ||charm mechanic|| in the last fight

old brook
#

Does ||Law of Regression|| work on it

covert schooner
#

i have no clue

modest berry
old brook
#

Bawh, but understandable

#

Also 2024 and still asking Fromsoft to fully heal Torrent when you die and revive

signal harness
glossy delta
#

Raw Meat Dumplings 😋

fleet bronze
#

Probably ought to be ground pork

vivid spire
#

Lmao

#

Patches consort of Miyazaki

raw coral
#

(minor enemy spoiler)
||Are the Cleanrot Knights turning into Man-Flies?||

#

||It stuck out to me that they both have their wings on their lower back||

gray leaf
#

That... makes something seemingly pointless into something that makes at least a bit of sense.

#

Side note, but ||I always thought the idea of "twin moons" was weird, because isn't there just one moon? And the explanation is simple: there's one moon in the sky about the Lands Between, and a second moon in the sky about the Land of Shadow.||

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Then again, there's plenty of references to ||"the" moon, which implies only one, and maybe the two look the same? I'm not actually sure.||

glossy stag
#

Also we have ||fallen "stars"|| and we know how they look

#

so who knows about other celestial bodies

left willow
#

[Cerulean Coast Side-Boss]
||What the hell is the Lamenter's special mechanic? He summons a bunch of himself and then I bop a couple, then my character breaks down sobbing and I die? What do I need to do to avoid that?||

glossy stag
#

oh apparently that's wrong

#

||You get a stack per each living double when they disappear, and when you have enough you die||

left willow
#

||Ah! I see, so I just need to whack-a-mole faster||

glossy stag
left willow
stable cedar
#

finally get around to actually finding the whetstone that lets me give something a holy affinity
it's gonna lower the dex scaling on my uchigatana to E
Idris_Elba_Coughing.omif

#

this feels like it's meant less for a dex/faith build and more for a faith/dex build lol

left willow
#

I'm staring at the various champion equipment trying to resist the urge to buy it all and play fashion souls for a bit

kind garden
#

You want Flame Art

gray leaf
#

If I was more experienced with FromSoft games and in the habit of making video essays, I'd be tempted to make one about how ||Miquella is not a victim, which is especially significant because a significant number of FromSoft bosses are a victim in some way. It's tragic that they were forced into doing something evil, or that their desire to survive and thrive brought ruin upon them and their people, or that they're scrabbling desperately to cling to the last of their power in a world that's forgotten them (or never appreciated them in the first place), or that they're corrupted by some external force into doing harm.||

#

||And it's usually a bit arguable either way, especially if you consider someone as the victim of their own actions... and maybe it'd seem like that was the case with Miquella if things were presented differently or if we saw his plan enacted and resulting in failure. But Miquella made a plan and, as near as I can tell, enacted that exact plan, and it was working perfectly until we killed him... and maybe it would fail later, but it hadn't failed yet, and that thematically matters.||

#

That's actually another interesting point about him: ||Miquella is actively doing things over the course of the DLC. Like, he breaks his rune while you're running around. Typically in FromSoft games, we show up to the ruins of an ancient tragedy, with the boss still metaphorically or literally trapped in that horrible moment. They're a lingering vestige of the old world. Miquella? He represents the new.||

kind garden
#

mhm

#

Miquella represents a relatively new trend in Fromsoft villains who actually do stuff

#

like Genicheerio

#

and V.II Snail

#

Gman does very little in Sekiro though

#

meanwhile, V.II Snail...

gray leaf
#

Yeah, I was going to say that I didn't know enough about Sekiro but I remember it having the villain Actively Do Things... although it also had much more of an active narrative of Things Happening in general, I feel like?

#

And I know basically nothing about any of the Armored Core games.

kind garden
#

Armored Core is very much NOT the Souls-borne narrative of everything being fucked when you arrive

dusty kraken
#

||Normally the boss is eepy and we turn up to beat them up long afterwards. Instead our ally is eepy and turns up to help us beat the boss up.||

kind garden
#

things happen, in major ways, and you are usually the spark that lights the fuse

gray leaf
kind garden
#

Elden Ring

#

but yeah Snail is a fucker!

dusty kraken
kind garden
#

and in terms of being a reactive character, he goes far enough as to actually respond to what you've done storywise when you see him again

#

"Your crime is far greater... you ignored me, ignored Arquebus!"

dusty kraken
kind garden
#

Smithscript Greatbow in da Lothric Castle bon

gray leaf
#

I need to watch a playthrough of AC6, and shockingly I have not accidentally osmosed a trillion spoilers for it! So that's neat.

kind garden
#

listen AC6 is real simple

#

you snort magic space dust so hard you get a magic space girlfriend

#

together you go on dates, hang out with Rusty, and then the game suddenly gets quite serious

#

next thing you know, you're in that Skyrim opening cutscene.

gray leaf
#

Amazing. I can't wait to figure out what any of that means.

kind garden
#

none of this happens before you beat the gatekeeper boss because Balteus is Rubicon's biggest bong hog

gray leaf
#

Amazing, but at this point I think I'd like to learn absolutely nothing more to be as surprised as possible.

kind garden
#

yeah I can't think of any other plot points to summarize incorrectly for humor value

#

other than the frankly insane terminology they chose for Handler Walter and "The Hound"

#

fromsoft scientifically determining the most vaguely sexual terminology they can use to rile up the fanbase without getting caught being directly, obviously horny

gray leaf
#

not urgent (or even particularly important), but does anyone have a good image of the base game statue of Malenia and Miquella?

kind garden
gray leaf
#

||Okay, he isn't actually hugging/embracing her. That's actually somewhat reassuring.||

#

Also... was Malenia carved with only one arm, or did devouts later remove her right arm (for some vague reason I don't know how to explain, but it makes sense that it could be a sign of loyalty/devotion at least in my head)?

languid tiger
#

it looks like the statue's arm has been ripped off, to me

gray leaf
#

that's what I thought.

#

Like... reverse iconoclasm? Or maybe regular iconoclasm, to emphasize her nature as being (literally) rotten, wjoich I suspect some Haligtree residents might be mad about?

glossy delta
#

Well, when you find her she isn't wearing her arm
I can see her spending most of her time without it
There's something to be said for the statue carvers chosing not to depict such an iconic symbol but
She's a one armed lady

fleet bronze
#

Yeah it might be a deliberate thing, given the overall tenderness of the statues pose, to depict her without her arm and out of any combat gear

dusty kraken
#

It does seem like, judging by the sound she makes putting the arm/the fact she rests without it on it's not something she likes wearing.

stone cove
left willow
#

I am getting my ass kicked in Haligtree

glossy stag
#

Sounds like intended gameplay

golden pond
#

will say

#

it's funny how it uses the same elevator

#

but mountaintops is clearly on top

#

so like

#

how is it a secret if the elevator rides past it

glossy stag
#

it's magic

#

also does it ride past it, or is it a different destination?

golden pond
#

it uses the roldevator

#

like unless it teleports or magics itself somewhere else

#

it's kinda hard to hide it in hte same shaft

steel scroll
#

its a couple doors down from whatever fuckery hides the eastern lleyndell tower, so i wouldn't rule out spatial nonsense

golden pond
#

isn't the tower like, to the right of the lift

#

or rather the place before hte lift

covert schooner
#

DLC spoiler: ||what do y’all think a hypothetical full version of Miquella’s great rune would have done?||

stone cove
#

In game? Probably some weird bewitching branch, or stealth effect.

golden pond
#

||I wouldn't mind a bewitching branch effect infinite consumable as long as you got a rune arc||

#

||or a refillable with rests||

covert schooner
#

Well, is a ||Great Rune, so it would have to be passive. An activated great rune does sound cool though||

golden pond
stone cove
golden pond
#

||When invading with the rune's effect active, the invader gets 3 phantom great runes: which allow the user to apply the blessing to monsters who are within melee range. The first use of the phantom great runes costs health, while subsequent uses have no cost other than the item itself.||

golden pond
covert schooner
#

I’ve never looked at that before

#

I think I saw the word invasion and instantly didn’t care

golden pond
#

it has a passive and an active effect

#

yeah

dusty kraken
languid tiger
covert schooner
#

||also, really interesting that the dlc didn’t add any new great runes, I kinda expected it to add one at least||

languid tiger
golden pond
#

||it did||

#

||you can find miquella's rune all broken||

covert schooner
#

Oh yeah

#

I just mean mechanically

golden pond
#

||it gets rid of charm status, hence the bewitching branch idea||

covert schooner
#

It’s not mechanically one

golden pond
#

but eyha

dusty kraken
#

Or for a less invasion-focused one:
||Killing an enemy instead converts them to your side for like 10-20 seconds before they die.||

golden pond
#

||Why not both? Give phantom runes during invade to get enemies to follow you, refillable rune consumable in your world that charms in an AOE instead of a poke||

dusty kraken
#

Or a less just...kinda weird...one.
||+15% to Spirit Summon HP and Damage.||

languid tiger
golden pond
dusty kraken
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Oh yeah, that was more 'the others are kinda weird'

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That's the basic one more in line with most of the others

golden pond
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Mohg rune gives them 30% damage buff and heals for 5% + 60hp

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when blood loss occurs within 7m

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stacks with exultation if it's a mimic Sippy

covert schooner
#

By the way

golden pond
#

so you can run at your mimic with seppuku and give it a 50% damage buff for free foxy_laugh_giggle

covert schooner
#

Do the base game kindred of rot have the exultation effect on them?

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Where they get buffed if you proc rot

golden pond
#

yes

covert schooner
#

Huh

golden pond
#

i'm not sure about the ashes

covert schooner
#

Never noticed that until the dlc to be honest!

golden pond
#

Gains increased damage from Scarlet Rot/Poisoned enemies similar to the Kindred of Rot's Exultation talisman
yes

covert schooner
#

Probably uh

golden pond
#

It's dodge move is optimized for players, so will not be able to dodge the majority of enemy attacks.
HAHAHAHA

covert schooner
#

Because my reaction is

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Usually “oh fuck oh god I’m rotted”

golden pond
#

and then you get hti with a pest thread doing extra damage

covert schooner
#

Idk why rot is so much scarier mentally than toxic

golden pond
#

%hp damage

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Malenia's Scarlet Rot inflicts (3.3% Max HP) + 26 per second for 300 seconds. The Swamp of Aeonia's Scarlet Rot inflicts (2% Max HP) + 8 per second for 180 seconds. The Lake of Rot's Scarlet Rot inflicts (2% Max HP) + 30 per second for 180 seconds.

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scariest poison is from some enemies

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Some enemies that cause poison build-up inflict it for (0.42% Max HP) + 18 per second for 30 seconds, for a total of 12.6% Max HP + 540 damage over its full duration.

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poison will probably not kill you

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rot is 100% doing to kill you lmao

covert schooner
#

Is toxic in old DS games not percentage based?

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Also I fucking knew the lake of rot had the meanest one

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Well, melania’s but

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Obviously

languid tiger
#

in ds1, at least

covert schooner
#

Ahhh

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Also does higher damage usually

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(I looked it up)

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And reduces stam regen weirdly

languid tiger
#

ds2 toxic was just poison but like 10x faster

covert schooner
#

Squint the grave lord sword does toxic?

languid tiger
#

yes

covert schooner
#

I guess cause nito was also about disease

languid tiger
#

that's why it wasn't ass

covert schooner
#

(Admittedly his disease aspect is pretty heavily downplayed thematically)

golden pond
#

i love gravelording for nito (it just spawns some enemies)

glossy delta
#

NPC Stuff

golden pond
#

YES

atomic marsh
#

I still find it incredibly funny that breaking ||Miquella's charm doesn't make Leda less devoted, it just makes her MORE racist.||

golden pond
#

I NEED MORE PATHETIC MEN IN MY GAMES

frail sky
frozen olive
golden pond
glossy delta
frail sky
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Also I don’t know why, but calling Miquella “Miq” is very funny to me so I’m gonna keep doing it

atomic marsh
#

Hey Miqqy you're so fine

vestal night
#

Mike

atomic marsh
#

You're so fine you control my mind

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hey Miqqy

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👏 👏

glossy delta
#

||Frejya split off to do Radahn grr grr warrior yeah stuff, Thiolliers lean addiction came back, Moore started thinking about m-muther, Leda started looking for the Imposter, so on||

atomic marsh
#

Y'know

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I think my game bugged out

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because I found one of the ||Brood|| and killed it and ||Moore didn't invade me||

frail sky
#

Just learned that Leda will go ||”I am sorry. For speaking to you as a compatriot” during her boss fight. God this girl is petty||

atomic marsh
#

Spoilers for the Penultimate Fight but holy shit this comment got me

grave plinth
steel scroll
glossy delta
atomic marsh
#

I will say the Penultimate Fight is probably actually my favorite moment in the Soulsborne series

old brook
languid tiger
atomic marsh
#

it is the actual peak of emotional resonance the series has ever given me

languid tiger
old brook
#

with that shot, OGH

glossy delta
#

Ansbach is so cool
You either die a red oni or grow old enough to become a blue oni

old brook
#

I'm still so curious about Ansbach dammit, everyone else in the Dynasty is an absolute loon

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and then there's this scholarly old angel

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What was Mohg's pitch, what was he selling

atomic marsh
#

I think it's more

languid tiger
#

||it definitely raises a lot of questions about mohg, pre-miquella||

atomic marsh
#

Mohg and by extension all of his followers were less batshit before the Miquella Incident

steel scroll
#

were they though

old brook
#

I don't rightly see how that works out

atomic marsh
#

It does seem like the Blood Cult was his idea though

#

that was unrelated

vestal night
#

I think the pitch for Mohg was similarly a refuge for those who are otherwise outcast

glossy delta
#

TBH the dynasty folks are selling a good pitch they're just fucking nuts by the time you find them

old brook
#

his seems like it has a big asterisk about blood sacrifice

steel scroll
#

what if ||ansbach was all 'mwahaha i shall be a lord in the new regime!!!!' but then getting his free will obliterated and restored mellowed him the fuck out||

old brook
frozen olive
glossy delta
#

Mohgs overarching goal is a new social order with him and those like him at the top
That is, the cursed and downtrodden of this era
All the bespoke dynasty enemies are omens and albinaurics

steel scroll
#

friendly mike scans like salami dave

grave plinth
old brook
#

He seems like a big picture kind of guy for sure

grave plinth
#

Like Miquella isn’t present at all in the pitch Varre gives to you, he’s playing on resentment of the Golden Order and dissatisfaction with the current cultural paradigm

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And well, yeah that’s pretty much exactly what you’d expect from a guy like Mohg who grew up imprisoned in the capital sewers

languid tiger
#

i don't think varre's 100% in the know

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of what the fuck's going on

kind garden
#

||It seems clear to me that before Miquella had charmed Mohg, the blood oath was about establishing a new regime separate from the Order that exists and hunting/killing Finger Maidens only came into it when Miquella realized he could use it as a tool to prevent the rise of a Lord of the previous order||

languid tiger
#

since like, morgott never really condemns mohg?

real shadow
languid tiger
#

at least not that i can think of

grave plinth
#

Like visually Mohg’s design says it all. He’s an omen who grew up in the dirt and now, he has power, he has wealth, he has fine clothes, he has a fancy vocabulary and he’s gonna take everything that was denied to him and if you sign on with him, you too can share in the spoils

old brook
#

Mohg's not on the list of traitors, could be a brotherly thing, could be he doesn't rightly know he's doing it

grave plinth
#

I’d rate Morgott’s ability to accurately gauge somebody’s character as being dogshit

glossy delta
#

I do figure the blood swamp death cult stuff existed before miq but
Who DOESN'T participate in any kind of horrid mass ritual in the lands between

languid tiger
#

sure, but he has like

#

a definitive zealous certainty that's broadly applicable everywhere

grave plinth
#

His whole deal is being unable to admit to himself that the people he admires unjustly abused him

languid tiger
#

i can't exactly imagine him not immediately and decisively declaring his brother a traitor to the erdtree and Order

frozen olive
#

i think the fact that Morgott doesn't refer to Mohg as one of the willful traitors is interesting

languid tiger
#

if he knew anything

frail sky
languid tiger
#

and i feel like he knows something

kind garden
#

I would trust Morgott solely on his ability to rate whether or not someone is betraying the Order

frozen olive
#

i trust Morgott's zealotry

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if nothing else

languid tiger
#

exactly, yeah

kind garden
#

That’s the only thing he’s got going on that I’d go “yeah he’s cooking”

frozen olive
#

he would 100% not cover for Mohg if he thought he was doing some fuckshit like all his other siblings

languid tiger
#

so that conspicuous exclusion is interesting

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and adds to the evidence of "it's more complicated than the base game portrayed"

old brook
#

Absolutely ruinous that Morgott is everything the Golden Order wants except he was born different

atomic marsh
#

Mohg is still defending the Three Fingers from interlopers

glossy delta
#

Yeah I never got the feeling that morgott excluded Mohg cuz he loved him
Considering he actively sealed away his cursed blood and is generally a tight ass
It might just be that mohg was flying under the radar during the shattering
No armies stomping around like the rest

frozen olive
#

absolute fucking F in chat for Morgott being the perfect Golden Order dude except for the whole Omen thing

old brook
#

He's even a good speaker

frail sky
atomic marsh
#

Imagine being LITERALLY "God's Perfect Child" but God in this regard is super racist towards you specifically.

languid tiger
#

but yeah

kind garden
#

Morgott was a competent king, a brutal swordsman, and a great speaker

grave plinth
#

Ah but there’s one shortcoming besides that

Morgott Failed, and the Golden Order has only one use for failures, as sacrifices

frozen olive
old brook
#

Morgott never got the chance, things failed while he was sidelined, no?

languid tiger
#

morgott probably wouldn't have failed if he was getting the Mainlined Golden Good Stuff raw from the tap

#

and also he still successfully defended Leyndell

grave plinth
#

Godfrey says as much. Stateleness? Loyalty? Faith? There is only one god, one truth, one reality to the Golden Order and that is Power.

glossy delta
#

It'd be funny if Mohg the Omen was like
The magic equivalent of a dummy under sheets
'okay mohgs still in the sewers cool'

kind garden
old brook
#

As The Last of All Kings, beating everyone to death who even thinks of looking at the tree, he's not exactly leading

kind garden
#

I mean the cut content implies that in terms of running the show he’s doing just fine

languid tiger
#

which cut content?

grave plinth
#

Morgott’s plan is basically to sit in Leyndell leading a death cult as his army slowly starves to protect the world’s prettiest mausoleum

frail sky
kind garden
#

Like he’s interfacing with the nobles and stuff

old brook
#

Leyndell is implied to be functioning?

#

The nobles are wandering around picking runes out of dirt-

steel scroll
#

not when im done with it babey!!!!!!

frozen olive
#

everything does kinda point to Morgott kinda just, being the most competent guy out of the siblings considering the fuckshit the rest of them get up to

#

aside from maybe Ranni i guess

#

considering the Age of Stars ending

frail sky
old brook
#

I do think it's a little funny they never got rid of the dragon

#

Just sort of "how do we even start"

kind garden
#

There’s a whole cut quest where you get a Leyndell noble on your side and at the end when you kill Morgott he very suddenly goes from “wow Morgott is GOATed tbh” to “AN UNSIGHTLY OMEN?!”

grave plinth
#

It has a competent defense

But its not a real city. Its got the monuments but none of the life of an actual capital. Morgott traded all the reality of a prosperous reign to protect the “dignity” of a reign that’s already passed

#

Its a corpse city, going through the motions but devoid of substance.

frozen olive
#

egh

#

arguably gameplay shit

#

i don't think the complete lack of civilians is indicative of there actually being zero civilians left in the whole world

glossy delta
#

To be fair, he's the person least responsible for decivilizing his zip code

old brook
#

There are. actual zombies. a whole ward is full of ash and misbegotten eating people

#

well their dogs are eating them

frozen olive
#

yeah but the Misbegotten are not civilians are they?

steel scroll
#

its not all bad there's dudes blowing bubbles

frozen olive
#

they're literally an insurrection

old brook
#

that's what i mean

#

it's a corpse town

#

it's a big ol grave

grave plinth
#

Like go up to many of the buildings in Leyndell and have a look at the doors

They’re overflowing with corpse wax. Leyndell is a tomb. Its a pretty monument that Morgott would move mountains to defend but do nothing to revive.

kind garden
#

the cut quest implies that what's going on behind the scenes is that the city is pretty depopulated but Morgott is holding together the last chunk of people and getting them to defend the city (these are the people in the streets trying to kill you) and keep the remnants of the regime intact

frozen olive
#

yeah but the game does not really portray it like everyone is fucking dead and nothing is left

old brook
#

the most active creatures are little oracle beasts that appear When Things Are Over

glossy delta
#

Hes explicitly the one dude who didn't flip out and tried to keep the gears turning when Marika disappeared

languid tiger
#

it would be funny if there were a bunch of nonhostile fodder NPCs everywhere

frozen olive
kind garden
#

so, you know

languid tiger
#

but that doesn't really fit how fromsoft does their games

frozen olive
#

the game very much makes it out that there are

#

you know

#

people left

languid tiger
#

no chaff npcs anywhere

kind garden
#

is it he bringing Leyndell back? not really...

frozen olive
#

civilization to save

kind garden
#

but he's holding it together

frozen olive
#

we just don't see it cause gameplay

languid tiger
#

doesn't mean we aren't supposed to assume they exist

kind garden
#

gripping the frayed ends of the strings of the puppet show

old brook
#

I just don't think that civilization is Leyndell

languid tiger
grave plinth
#

Its interesting though that there are almost no civilian enemies in Leyndell

frozen olive
#

you don't install Nepheli as leader of Stormveil to rule over the corpses

#

that just doesn't make any sense

frozen olive
#

but to say that Morgott is ruling over nothing but corpses and soldiers does not feel right to me at all

kind garden
#

I do believe that it's implied that the civilians of leyndell are hiding in the sealed buildings

glossy delta
#

In general I assume every NPC being On Sight is usually a gameplay thing
If there's a castle full of dudes that castle is semi functional

frozen olive
#

there are definitely people in the lands between

grave plinth
#

Like you think you’d see trashmobs there but no. Aside from a few in the Fortified Manor Leyndell no longer has a civilian class

Everything has been sacrificed to uphold the husk of the Golden Captial.

frozen olive
#

and it also feels like it in universe is a much bigger place than we see in the game

old brook
#

Give us some doors to knock on or The Saddest Window Fellow then

frozen olive
#

cause it's kinda like, a decent sized island if you go by the in-game world size

old brook
#

Because Leyndell feels like The Ashen Capital even before you burn the tree

languid tiger
#

from just doesn't really do that tbh

glossy delta
old brook
#

Jarburg is more alive than Leyndell

languid tiger
#

I wish they did

#

but they don't

kind garden
#

Bloodborne has a few survivors to talk to

#

to really hammer home the whole vibe

#

but Elden Ring is not such a focused experience

grave plinth
#

Like that big ass moat on the map you can’t actually see or get to in the overworld, that probably used to be a residential district

Some people think it became Deeproot Depths, i personally think Morgott flooded it to serve as a moat, but whatever the case, that district isn’t there anymore.

glossy delta
#

It'd be COOL if once you did the quest all of stormveil castle becomes non hostile but

languid tiger
#

that would slap

#

be uh

real shadow
#

Bloodborne has enough behind-the-window NPCs and that one raucous party of laughing people to give the idea that most people are holed up during The Hunt; this is missing from Leyndell and ER in general, but I think that's more a matter of scope having to sacrifice a few details than an indirect statement.

languid tiger
#

kinda hard to farm crescent axes though

old brook
#

But like if anything Leyndell is more fucked ( in a physical sense ) than Yharnam

grave plinth
#

Again, a lot of the manor houses in Leyndell are actually sealed up with Corpse Wax

old brook
#

Like it is busted

glossy delta
#

You do still get stuff
Like Gostoc
Who is implied to just
Work at Stormveil, he's on the payroll

grave plinth
#

Which implies to me that the residents are dead and Morgott is surreptitiously using them to build gargoyles

languid tiger
#

if they're all dead why wouldn't he be doing it out in the open?

glossy delta
#

And Jerren being able to just
Reserve red mane castle for the weekend

old brook
#

Tree doesn't like to see it

kind garden
#

nothing to be done about reading the same details differently

old brook
#

Everything about Morgott screams to me that he's riding the ship into the depths as it sinks

grave plinth
#

Not because he’s squeamish or regretful (they probably died during the siege) but because Morgott is a guy who cares everything about appearance and converting Leyndell into a charnel factory in the open would look undignified

old brook
#

Saluting the flag for queen and country

glossy delta
grave plinth
#

Its clear that he is repurposing Leyndell’s dead

#

The Gargoyles are still there

#

Explicitly made from corpse wax

atomic marsh
#

Stormveil is filled with Actual Mercenaries

#

Like those guys are just Dudes

old brook
#

Also where the fuck is House Hoslow

real shadow
#

Bathing in blood, mostly.

old brook
#

There's another unrelated Dracula Castle somewhere

#

with its whole own aesthetic

languid tiger
#

i assume House Hoslow is outside the Lands Between

#

like uhhh

grave plinth
#

And i think its largely because Leyndell doesn’t have a stable population to recruit from anymore. You’ve got the military, the medical corps, and some conscripted slaves.

languid tiger
#

the nation i can't remember the name of

#

where roderika comes from

glossy delta
#

They could also be Leyndell Noble Family no. 2744863

languid tiger
#

true

grave plinth
#

Everyone who couldn’t fight either died during the siege or was probably pushed out by Morgott

real shadow
#

House Hoslow might also be located somewhere in Leyndell as an especially fancy wing for nobles.

languid tiger
#

yeah i just fundamentally disagree with this interpretation

#

i think that, based on everything the game displays, we're expected to assume a very real civilian populace

grave plinth
#

Could also be from outside the Lands Between. Marika’s empire extends beyond it.

languid tiger
#

across the entire island

grave plinth
#

We do see a civilian populace. They’re the nobles on the road.

old brook
#

I'm saying this for Leyndell specifically tbh

#

But also ain't gonna like fight anyone about it

grave plinth
#

Its explicitly said that they “lost their lands”

glossy delta
#

We also do see commoners like
Sat down by the fire in stormveil, vibin
They just, for gameplay reasons, go for your neck on contact

old brook
#

tbf that does also seem like an order Godrick would give

grave plinth
#

The read i get is that Leyndell especially was for the elite of the empire. The demigod lineages and minor monarchs who relocated to the capital and swore allegiance to Marika

atomic marsh
#

The Civilian populace has been killed and denied regeneration by the Erdtree because things are Broken.

#

So they stagnate and starve to death and live in perpetual torment

glossy delta
#

In the kitchen even! Fighting you with the salted pork visibly hanging overhead

grave plinth
#

If anything it seems that Godrick actually has the most civilians under his reign

old brook
#

fuckin somehow

grave plinth
#

A lot of them might actually be his distant relatives

#

Who joined him in his flight to Limgrave via the Divine Bridge portal

atomic marsh
#

and all the actual fighting and wars weeded out the civilians elsewhere

old brook
#

i'm just saying i'd take my chances in a hermit hovel somewhere

#

at least Mohg is promising somethin

modest berry
#

yes nobles! come here, im the last person who kind of has their shiit together, i wont turn you into an arm i swear

grave plinth
#

Honestly I think a lot of them are just members of his extended household

old brook
#

Roderika speaks about it like it's a known thing to become a spider

#

and I just ???

grave plinth
#

The dregs of the Golden Lineage

#

Too weak to graft, so he presses them into foraging labor

languid tiger
#

where communication is like

#

pretty fucking sparse, i thought

grave plinth
#

The Lands Between appears to have been a tribute/pilgrimage destination for the empire beyond, with outsiders entering from the Weeping Peninsula and following the road north from Castle Morne

old brook
#

And those sending them knowing they won't return, according to one of the hoods, yeah?

glossy delta
#

At least stormveil has a functioning kitchen
Ignore the main hall full of clumps of arms within eye sight
Do you figure the grafted scion patrolling there bugs them for food

grave plinth
#

The bridge to Liurnia, right next to Godrick’s fortress, is conspicuously broken

#

So it seems that Godrick of all people is the outside world’s main point of contact with the Lands Between

#

Swiping the tribute that used to go to Leyndell

old brook
#

And they're all probably working with some very dated and generous portraiture of 'em

umbral portal
#

Are there even any civilians in the Lands Between

#

Actually do we even know what lies outside the Lands Between?

grave plinth
#

I wouldn’t be surprised if he pretended he was the new Ruler in missives with the outside world

grave plinth
#

The Lands Between seem to serve as a combination of imperial metropole and holy land

umbral portal
#

How so? I figured the nations of the Lands Between were somewhat isolated

#

Mhm

grave plinth
#

Like we know that the Lands Between has teleportation

old brook
#

And an absolute ton of sunken boats

grave plinth
#

Even Godrick’s flunkies were able to rig up a portal from Leyndell to the Weeping Peninsula

#

Once upon a time, it seemed that minor miracles were just a given for the nobles who had Grace

#

Like i wouldn’t be surprised if there are a whole bunch of quality of life sorceries and incantations that are really commonplace that we just don’t see because its not part of ERs gameplay

#

Though if you look closely it seems that Castle Morne used to actually be a port of some kind

#

Ships come in, likely past some sort of magic barrier that the Golden Order used to let down for tribute and pilgrims

#

Its possible that if you don’t have the Big Magic on your side, you can’t actually reach the Lands Between

#

Or if you can its much harder without Grace

#

We know the Lands Between has a lot of Freakishly Strong people, we’ve all seen the stat requirements on the lordsworn knight greatshields

#

Which implies to me that the old noble class had access to quite a bit of magic

#

Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the big difference between them and the nobility outside the Lands Between

umbral portal
#

Why are there so many Nobles in the Lands Between anyways

grave plinth
#

That’s a large part of my argument actually

old brook
#

Where are the FARMS /a joke

grave plinth
#

I think a lot of those losers we see on the road are actually the old nominal rulers of the various provinces of the empire

#

Like after Godfrey’s exiled legions finished conquering the lands without, a whole bunch of nobles in the Lands Between got new fiefdoms to administer

#

With the old, indigenous rulers being feudal subjects

#

There are more nobles in Limgrave than Commoners

#

That’s real weird unless you look at the Lands Between in general as the absolute center of the empire, where to be poor the Lands Between is still being richer than most randos outside of it.