Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[frozen olive]

||precisely, he was not winning in that situation, the sword definitely was||

[kind garden]

And that shit is CRAZY

[frozen olive]

madding hand sweep

tfw i punch you so hard you go insane

[golden pond]

||he literally sets it on madness fire and it makes it do madness build up ||

[kind garden]

||The torturous execution was specifically so that Midra never had the time or presence of mind to go crazy proper||

[golden pond]

||at least give us a madness ash of war, man||

[frozen olive]

||that's him not the sword tbf||

[old brook]

||But I have to figure being in that situation for so long is what let him LORDINATE||, unless things were getting pretty bad beforehand I s'pose

||The word was a curse.|| and whatnot

[frozen olive]

||like that is absolutely him coating the weapon in frenzy flame with his powers, he's literally radiating frenzy at that point i'd say considering his head got replaced by a big ol ball of frenzy flame||

[old brook]

||Incredibly kind to not have a passive aoe buildup||

[kind garden]

||They specifically had the issue of Midra being a bigtime Madness guy and said “okay we need to contain this guy permanently but he CANNOT DIE like Shabriri do we have anything” and the answer was impaling him in a position where he could never die or escape||

[old brook]

See I thought it was just the vaguest touches and they went ||Quarantine Response||

[frozen olive]

||honestly my thought about the reason he never became a frenzy lord is both that they contained him and that he was either too cowardly to do it, or was disparaged by Nanaya with her decree of "endure"||

[old brook]

||I figure he could have died if he chose at any point, but. Endure.||

[frozen olive]

||cause it doesn't seem like he wants it until you confront him either||

[old brook]

||Well people also don't die anymore so that's complication but hey||

[frozen olive]

||like he actively disparages anyone from getting close and when you go to beat the shit out of him he literally screams "THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS"||

[golden pond]

||He starts phase 2 by saying "Forgive me nanaya" so i think we kinda were there last straw||

[frozen olive]

||then before he pulls the sword out iirc he apologizes to Nanaya||

||like it seems like he has been wanting to avert becoming a frenzy lord until you beat him and it's the final straw that breaks his will||

[old brook]

||Frenzy requires ABSOLUTE DESPAIR, I don't think Midra's little valley was that befuckled beforehand||

[languid tiger]

||yeah, i think he was desperately trying to not frenzy||

[kind garden]

||Nanaya was clearly some kind of Frenzy-related individual considering the torch and whatnot||

[languid tiger]

||that's what the "weakness" the text laments is: they still refuse to LET CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD, AHH, OUR HEAVEN||

||MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!||

[kind garden]

||Was she trying to stop it, or cultivating it?||

[old brook]

||Nanaya so DS2 Queen Coded||

[obtuse halo]

||THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS|| definitely leaves an impression

good fight 😌

[kind garden]

Good fight

[old brook]

Give 'em more poise

[kind garden]

EXTREMELY funny weapon for pvping

[old brook]

Deserves it

He Does Not Care what happens to that body, why poise

[obtuse halo]

yeah I've been trying to do that one bow-only and getting destroyed

not sure why, I stomped it on my other character

[kind garden]

In short, it’s because the boss is eminently bulliable

[real shadow]

||The portrait of the two makes her look vaguely finger maiden-esque which raises further questions.||

[kind garden]

You just whip his shit with a hammer

[old brook]

Everything is either a blast across the room or a swirling dive, also 1/10th the size of most bosses

[real shadow]

||Also the torch seems to be Midra's spine which uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh||

[frozen olive]

||there's a LOT of implications surrounding Midra and Nanaya||

[kind garden]

||Unclear if it’s his spine or someone else’s tbh||

[old brook]

||I feel like the torch might imply Nanaya's done this before||

[obtuse halo]

||It's fine he's got a ramrod torture device inserted as a replacement||

[kind garden]

||Three Fingers agent||

||SUFFER NOT THE AGENT OF THE THREE TO LIVE. DESTROY THEM WHERE THEY ARE FOUND. DO NOT LISTEN TO THEIR GIBBERING.||

[frozen olive]

||especially with Nanaya's corpse holding that torch made from a failed frenzy lords spine, which also states that nothing but the spine remains of said frenzy lord implying it was NOT Midra||

[languid tiger]

||"a small spine"||

||it's probably the kid||

[frozen olive]

||like the torch specifically has a textual mention that nothing remains of the failed lord except the small spine||

[old brook]

||I do like the theory the Three Fingers are only Three Fingers specifically to be a counterpoint to Two Fingers Order, they aren't a Metyr relation at all, just a shape the Frenzy made.||

[obtuse halo]

yeah this was my actual read on it when I found that item

[languid tiger]

||i thought "all that remains of him" was the dying flame||

[obtuse halo]

||"...Did they have a kid? Oh god."||

[kind garden]

||I personally think they’re a mutant aberration of the Fingers||

[old brook]

||Yeah new lore does make it seem like it could've just been a regular ol' set what got infected, but did they have an Empyrean? idk all the Two rules||

[real shadow]

||It says "man" in the item description so I don't think so.||

||A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column. In a distant land, in an age long past, was born a man who failed to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame. All that remains of him is cradled gently by Nanaya.||

[frozen olive]

||all that remains of him is cradled gently by nanaya when we find her holding a spine with a ball of frenzy attached to it||

||spine with a head of a frenzy lord||

[languid tiger]

spoiler box that

[languid tiger]

||mm, fair enough||

[golden pond]

Cemetary Knight build

silly greatsword and using ashes of common men

like the soldier ashes

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-spirit-army-army-of-the-dead-charge-lotr-gif-27077516

basically

[stone cove]

I mean, Greatsword of Solitude is right htere

[golden pond]

yeah it's in the dlc

[golden pond]

This weapon cannot be infused with Ashes of War 😔

[stone cove]

Still a good sword!

[obtuse halo]

lmao just saw this on fashion souls. The most novel strategy for Messmer I've seen: ||"Son I'm back do you want a hug?"||

[frozen olive]

Lmao

[steel scroll]

final area spoiler ||https://x.com/haligtreeOracle/status/1810321858186674381||

[obtuse halo]

TRUE

SO GODDAMN TRUE

[steel scroll]

full spoilers' erdtree ||three for three on uwu softboys ripping out your throat at the slightest provocation; moore, thollier, miquella||

[atomic marsh]

||"This is...sad..." as he smashes the pot against me like Patrick crushing Sponch with his house||

[frail sky]

||tbh hitting you with a pot is basically the only thing he can really do that’s actually a threat||

[frozen olive]

||i need to figure out if there is some way to spare Moore for when me and my friends hopefully do our seamless run||

||i don't want to have to kill him or consign him to go die of his own accord by telling him to be sad forever(basically he just goes to one of the dead foragers, lies down and dies)||

[spring marlin]

||i love how miquella's band are all completetely nuts except lord of blood's follower ansbach||

[frozen olive]

||another win for the Mohg man||

[vernal imp]

So far it seems like there is not, or at least I haven’t read one

[mellow silo]

||Simply tell him "I don't know", and he'll stay at his starting location for the rest of the game, as long as you don't kill the forager at the Crusade Church||

[vernal imp]

Well TIL!

[old brook]

||Condemned to Ponder.||

[wild sierra]

||sad forever :(||

[frail sky]

||Hey, Moore is sane! And Freyja too!||

[old brook]

||'I guess be sad forever' is still some of the funniest dialogue out of context for Elden Ring, it's so on the nose||

Also ||Freyja wants an eternal glorious war I feel like Redmanes get a free pass because he was nice to pets||

[obtuse halo]

I gotta say, ||Freyja's|| outfit is a great boon to fashion souls

finally there's a good chestpiece if you wanna do something hoplite-y

Tree Sentinel Headpiece was already pretty good for that, but there was no suitable chest piece

[modest berry]

finally decided to try invasions,,, if someones summoning they're probably fighting a boss so its kicked me out every time 😭

i got one! and they fell into the water and died offscreen

i have conquerers haki apparently

[modest berry]

and theres no boss runs so this will be happening a lot i guess

[modest berry]

i love palm blast invasions, its a dps check, can you kill me before it oneshots you and the two other guys you're with

[raw coral]

Damn the solitude armor with the Messmer Soldier chest piece is some nice drip

[umbral portal]

Show

[raw coral]

I don’t have a screenshot of my own character atm but it turns out Vaati is running the exact same setup so gimme a moment

This but I’m using Milady and the wolf crest shield

with Dryleaf Arts as a backup striking weapon

[old brook]

They're so perfect for that

[raw coral]

The giant scarf of the exile chest also works nice with the solitude helm

[old brook]

and just cool to put swords away and smack people around Hoarah Loux style

[raw coral]

fr

sometimes you just gotta put away the sword and do a flying kick

the jump r2 is fun

[old brook]

so glad the running r1 is still dynamic kick

Caestus is real but it just didn't have that Bonefist styles

[raw coral]

Also protip cause this is like, really easy to miss but there’s a bunch of new bell bearings found in random pots hanging from stakes embedded in various cliff faces

[old brook]

love 'em

[raw coral]

I’d have never noticed them if someone didn’t point them out

[old brook]

even if Flame, Fall Upon Them feels against the spirit

another win for the message system

[raw coral]

the coolest one is near ||Prospect Town|| and lets you buy string

no more demi-human grinds

[modest berry]

i also love the messmer soldier armor with the ( set you get real late in dlc idk if its spoilers )|| verdigris hands and feet|| i feel like green megaman

[real shadow]

Pair it with the One-Eyed Shield and you can be Protoman

[raw coral]

(you can get it real early if you’re evil though)

[modest berry]

im wearing this setup with the wolf imp mask it looks pretty sick

[golden pond]

snake ahead

[raw coral]

also If you don’t want to go past a certain level but have so many runes you don’t know what to do with from the dlc, consider buying ammo in bulk for the funny new crossbows

[modest berry]

i feel lowkey a little bad oneshotting but it is ganksquads

[raw coral]

Do they outperform the pulley crossbow? Debatable. Are they cool, fun, and incredibly inefficient? Hell yeah they are!

I accidentally used a Somber Dragon stone on the ||Repeating Crossbow|| so you can bet your ass I’m gonna use it

[obtuse halo]

There's also one for Fly Mold, which is an enormous boon to pot builds that use the new pots

[real shadow]

I had no idea about these bell berrings.

[obtuse halo]

they're kinda hidden - they're in jars hanging from a rope you have to shoot down

most easily done with a bow

there are also some for mushrooms

sadly not miranda powder though - one of the NPCs sells 10 of them and that's it

you still gotta farm that for perfumer consumables 😔

[vestal night]

if it wasn't for all the messages pointing them out, I don't think i would have seen them

[golden pond]

there's bell bearings in the dlc?

[real shadow]

Yeah, I don't think the game points this out at all which is why I just...didn't think to shoot them, hah.

[old brook]

Oh wow damn there's ||9|| Larval Tears in the DLC, I thought it was 3

[obtuse halo]

Yeah I left messages pointing them out whenever I spotted them in the hopes as few people miss them as possible

[vernal imp]

Sorcery playthrough - so funny how much builds matter. I beat || Gaius || first try with night comet spam.

[obtuse halo]

even if there were already messages, leave another! not everyone sees every message so volume helps

[vernal imp]

On my str faith playthrough it took literally dozens of attempts for me to eke out a win, which I think was still mostly luck

[raw coral]

Does anyone have a hint on how to get to that red flower area south of the gravesite plains? I made It to the ||Cerulean Coast|| below, but I don’t know how to get up to it (or down to it from a higher point)

[vernal imp]

Yeah, go through || the dragon pit towards Bayle. Turn right when you come out and would fight a dragon instead of climbing up jagged peaks||

[raw coral]

Also, I recently realized I missed the very first hefty pot and basic hefty fire pot in the very first landmark lol

[obtuse halo]

hefty pots are actually great mat-wise, but it makes me upset that regular mats are the way they are in comparison 😛

Hefty Rot Pots: Fully renewable! Regular Rot Pots: I hope you like grinding basilisks in the Lake of Rot

[modest berry]

apparently the pata running attack true combos into the shotgun crossbow at point blank 😵‍💫

[grave plinth]

Beat ||The Divine Beast Dancing Lion||

||Now on to Rellana||

[obtuse halo]

woo!

grats on the boss kill

[golden pond]

if you can kill that one, you can kill hte other one

[raw coral]

Protip for Milady enjoyers: The wing stance light attack keeps you in wing stance (assuming you’re still holding the AoW button) letting you immediately follow up into the stance heavy or another stance light

[mellow silo]

The Finger Reader Crone in Academy Gate Town is telling me I can have Miquella's favor, before moving on to what Gideon is doing... odd...

Possibly a DLC teaser? Idk why else she would mention that

[obtuse halo]

It's not

she's hinting at ||the haligtree medallion hidden at the Village of the Albinaurics, which Gideon has been tearing up the village for||

[mellow silo]

Ah, that makes sense

[obtuse halo]

Specifically she also tells you to ||snatch it from the big pot - the guy hiding it is mimic veil'd into a pot||

[golden pond]

||does that make him a pot head||

[normal abyss]

Made art of he & him (boss spoilers)

[golden pond]

same energy

[frozen olive]

sick as fuck, good work

[normal abyss]

Thank you!

[golden pond]

bu yeah looks sick

[modest berry]

i love their theme just as much as plin plon honestly

shame you can barely hear it half the fight

||i love the cannon imps so much the spirit is fun too tho its sad its only 1 ||

[golden pond]

||i wish you would get at least 2 at higher levels cause the guy has on poise||

[obtuse halo]

my tip for any spirit summon that really needs to not draw aggro is: Shabriri's Woe

you can draw all of the aggro and let them do their thing, it's great

[golden pond]

nah

[modest berry]

theres also pants that pull aggro i think

[golden pond]

amulet that buffs damage when they die stay on

i'm planning to do a Cemetery Knight/Graveyard Knight playthrough

where i use Soldier ashes only

wait holy shit what

[obtuse halo]

The Gladiator/Gravekeeper set pulls aggro, yeah

[golden pond]

Mausoleum soldiers just teleport around???

[obtuse halo]

Yeah!

[golden pond]

holy fuck

i need htem

[obtuse halo]

it's a major reason Lhutel is such a beloved summon

[golden pond]

aragorn cosplay time

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-spirit-army-army-of-the-dead-charge-lotr-gif-27077516

[obtuse halo]

because her teleportation moves are useful and the AI is fairly smart with them, using them to get in and out of combat effectively

[golden pond]

hmm

i'm trying to set rules ot keep it interesting

i need to make a sheet or something

cause each of the soldiers ashes is the same health wise but they do different things

like the Leyndell ones focus on defence with spears nad greatshields
while radahn ones are aggressive fire damage

godrick splits them in half with 1 crossbow and 1 hammer + shield

lucaria is funny

1 guy with a greatsword
2 lesser dudes

and haligtree ones are just basic bitch soldiers that explode on death

[modest berry]

messmer ones are tufff boys i imagine if the real ones are any example

[golden pond]

oh yeah

[obtuse halo]

Yeah Messmer Soldiers are an unironically good summon

[golden pond]

I watched messmer soldiers stunlock Malenia until like 70% hp

[frozen olive]

i would love to try other ones

[obtuse halo]

I've actually tried them out and they wreck face

[golden pond]

then she did waterfowl dance nad kep healing

[frozen olive]

but Dung Eater too strong

[modest berry]

im gonna actually summon my next playthrough so im gonna try everything out

[obtuse halo]

yeah most things kinda pale to dung eater puppet

[golden pond]

i got a great playthrough in mind now

[obtuse halo]

he's easily a top 3 summon tbh

with the other major contenders being Tiche and Mimic Tear

[frozen olive]

Dung Eater is an absolute crackhead he does not feel pain or fear only violence

which is cause he's a puppet

but like, point being, he will aggro anything

absolute aggro god

[golden pond]

dex/faith
healing spells, 2 greatswords and a shield (1 holy, 1 lightning)
Only use soldier ashes
Can use named soldier ashes but only on remembrance fights

[obtuse halo]

Dung Eater is insanely tanky (even in the dlc), draws aggro like nobody's business, doesn't do that much damage but spams a debuff that makes you do some 15% more damage basically, and he does have a bleed weapon which I have seen proc and kill a boss

just a confluence of elements that make him a ridiculous summon

[frozen olive]

absolutely stacked guy

[obtuse halo]

He's got a big hp pool and wearing some of the heaviest armor in the game, so i'm not kidding when I talk about how tanky he is

lots of poise, hp, and negation

[modest berry]

greatshield soldiers are also funny

i wonder how good horned warrior ashes are, those guys just dont stagger

[obtuse halo]

Greatshield Soldiers are really good against enemies focused on Phys attacks specifically

[golden pond]

horned warriors are based for poies damage

[obtuse halo]

they tend to get melted if the enemy does elemental damage

[golden pond]

real shit tho

||divine bird warrior ash||

[obtuse halo]

yeah i've heard that one does wackypants damage

also oof, my greatshield build is really having a bad time with mohg LOL

it's fine in phase 1 but phase 2 melee mohg always sucks

[modest berry]

whoah ive never seen that glitch before

[obtuse halo]

fun fact, a bleed proc causes your guard to fall during the animation

I may have just died to a bloodfire-triggered bleed proc right as he was attacking, so his hit effectively two-shot me

[modest berry]

i invaded at shaded castle and it played an unskippable clip me in the messmer intro before kicking me out

[obtuse halo]

oh wow

that's bizarre

do you mean ||Shadow Keep|| or do you actually mean Shaded Castle?

[modest berry]

the host went in at the same time i invaded thats happeded before

[frozen olive]

i saw a really funny clip where someone invaded into the ||Rellana|| boss arena

started doing a tag team duo vs. the host with ||Rellana||

[modest berry]

oh i misremembered yes not shaded castle lol

[obtuse halo]

yeah invaders showing up in a boss arena is always a bad time

I once had a RoB spammer appear when I was helping someone with Radagon

I toasted them and got back to fighting the boss LOL

[mellow silo]

Drip?

(oh boy that picture is bad quality lmao)

[kind garden]

Absolute beasts

[golden pond]

y'know what i think is a missed chance

||Warrior Loux hand-to-hand arts||

[real shadow]

Ash of War: PILEDRIVER

[modest berry]

longest charge up in the world into the bababooey busta

[obtuse halo]

okay but even if it's pvp/tarnished enemies only similar to madness, a command grab martial arts ash sounds amazing

[fleet bronze]

Oh fuck this is excellent drip, I love the combo of the mask and Danes clothes

[atomic marsh]

Question

[obtuse halo]

yeah can confirm that's pretty good

[modest berry]

i do enjoy the various command grab AOW we do have

[atomic marsh]

If you ng+ do you keep your dlc blessings?

[golden pond]

yes

[frail ferry]

||https://fxtwitter.com/MiyanEatWorld/status/1810305336479244376||

[obtuse halo]

suddenly I kind of want Malenia's grab as an Ash just because that sounds really funny to do to people in PVP

just throw them up in the air and hold your sword aloft

[atomic marsh]

May want to spoil this

[tropic stream]

You know my answer lol

[real shadow]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722865032391819305/1259997826834890823/image0.jpg?ex=668db7eb&is=668c666b&hm=eafafa009202d7eadd2241e5c4ddc37a7037d92dd3c07ce17119651c7a3b0a07&||

[mellow silo]

Does HRT make your magical swords more magical? 🤔

[real shadow]

Probably.

[frozen olive]

(weapon spoilers) ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jehbbt1A0ok||

we do love shenanigans

[tropic stream]

I mean my answer is it looks good lmao

[tropic stream]

I’m a liiiiiiiittle uncomfortable with this comparison given the Pontiff’s relationship with the Dancer

Well not the comparison

Making it a joke about a transition

[old brook]

Now I'm thinking how alike ||Messmer's|| grab is, I wonder if they would have gotten along :Tc

Ah fuck I pinged

mobile

[tropic stream]

I honestly don't imagine well

||I think he'd deride Malenia for her servitude||

||And try to warn her, scornfully, that it would be her ruin||

I wish the frenzy flame head was a helmet like the wolf mask

[obtuse halo]

well, I got my str/faith (25, just enough for golden vow basically lol) character into the dlc and picked up the beast claws

just need to upgrade these and we can try 'em out

[tropic stream]

nice

doing a beast cleric build?

[obtuse halo]

sorta, I dug up an old character who was running a greatshield and halberd with some beast spells for support

i'd beaten the game with it (it was one of my original three playthroughs for all achievements) though hadn't done Malenia and Mohg yet

[tropic stream]

Ah

[obtuse halo]

Need to figure out some new fashion though. Extant fit was beast champion armor, gelmir knight greaves, veteran’s gauntlets, commoner headband

[real shadow]

Kazuma Kiryu, Fourth Elden Lord of the Tojo Clan

[obtuse halo]

yeah ok I still got it

I did summon mimic tear because I no longer care for the bragging rights of soloing everything

also yes, I did forget to fix my Physick after beating Mohg

[frail sky]

Jane, not using a bow!? 😨
The end times are upon us

[obtuse halo]

Lol this is an entirely different character

I have maxed out my save limit @.@

[old brook]

also the glaive is cool

some of them look a little funny with the groundslam but that fuckin' leviathan, sure

[obtuse halo]

Yeah it was a weapon i did sequence breaking for in the original playthrough lol

It’s good looking and has S scaling when heavy infused

[old brook]

also turned me around on horsecombat, thing destroys

and anything with a knockup is hilarious

[obtuse halo]

the funny part is I have enough end that I might just keep it as a backup weapon for horseback and assorted violence

[stone cove]

That's the nightrider glaive?

Yeah, has to be, no other one has a blade liek that

[obtuse halo]

it is

[stone cove]

Also

wish me luck

Beast Claws is up against ye DLC final boss

[stone cove]

Piss

Nearly had him, then muffed an input and got animation locked

GOT HIM

[real shadow]

https://www.tumblr.com/higgsbison/713974431021744128/just-a-guy-and-his-surprisingly-literate-lion

[stone cove]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/74170d1877ab8ed9abad7e125548cd5a/98f58566ebec7fdb-a8/s2048x3072/172f3c182108ce933679db96535b2ba3e80e0ed0.jpg

Marika's fucking expression here

[kind garden]

this absolute buffoon

[gray leaf]

Today's word of the day is:

Polemic!

(noun or adjective)

A polemic is an a strong argument about something, or some sort of related controversy. It can also refer to a strong attack against someone or something, either verbally or in writing; such a polemic would typically be filled with strong language and clearly-evident anger or condemnation. Finally, a person who writes such arguments to support one system or opinion against another can be called a polemic themself, or, alternatively, a polemicist. As an adjective, something is polemic if it has the aforementioned qualities of strong anger in opposition to something.

[trail sail]

Sorry, why is this in the ER thread exactly?

[potent perch]

these are so good

[stone cove]

Anyway: DLC final boss with beast claws. Kinda arse, as you'd expect. 45 minutes of attempts to get him down.

Would repeatedly get to about 30% and then muff things.

Ended up winning by bringing in ||Ansbach|| to help out. Hefty Rot Pots become 2 to rot him in the first phase, 3 in the second. Which is so much worth, since it just dooes sooo much damage.

Watching the mimic repeatedly get off cheeky black fireballs and Black Blades was fun, even if said mimic eventually ate shit and died (learn to dodge, dumbass. Also I'm begging you, please use the healing item i put on my bar for you).

Also remembering to actually get my buffs lined up properly, i.e. stop accidentally cancelling them with other buffs (buffs in this game are the worst fuckin' system, i swear).

Most of my issues wit hthe fight are the way it's setup in a rythm that if you muff one roll, you're liable to eat hits with a lot of the rest. and most of the things are "Roll into" except a few that are "Run away" and one i think you jump? maybe? I'm still not sure.

But anyway! final boss! EATEN BY BEAR

[kind garden]

okay so like

[stone cove]

I can head into NG+ satisifed

and continune my bear rampage

[kind garden]

am I the only one who thought Bananatron got hacked

[stone cove]

100% reads like a bot post

[frail sky]

Oh, she posts a word of the day everyday in #general
Must've accidentally been in this channel

[real shadow]

https://preview.redd.it/i4g5mtbs96bd1.jpeg?width=411&auto=webp&s=8a15b205755c36eb3158c83463f5b2bf3df8dca5

[dusty kraken]

My brain

[tropic stream]

This is why I gave up on my lightning build

[frail sky]

(Note: does not apply to the death knight's longhafted axe)

(Unless a patch broke it which apparently happened to the twin axes)

[obtuse halo]

so apparently the longhaft axe does technically scale with dex, but by very little; it's primarily with weapon upgrade level

[frail sky]

I'm getting an increase in lightning damage from putting on the faith talisman but not the dex talisman for it

Which is not true for the twin axes (anymore) because fromsoft hates us

I'm hoping something just broke on the twin axes and they aren't going to touch my beloved greataxe

[atomic marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840751709017210891/1260078233903435846/GR_2RxPbUAAbMPP.png?ex=668e02ce&is=668cb14e&hm=8a083c9087afac18872b420441f77b702ca4e2f97d1e49188cc26a8e7ce6fa16&

[grave plinth]

I do as you command, my infallible lady.

[tropic stream]

“Do… do you need the receipt?”

[gray leaf]

because I had last posted in the ER thread and did not realize it. Gimme a moment and let me repost it in the right place.

[raw coral]

How do I fight these fuckass fire knights

there has to be a trick to them right

specifically the caster ones that constantly disengage

[stone cove]

Spoilers for the binal boss

but also

Oof.

||https://old.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1dygok7/spoiler_dont_trust_the_boss_animation/||

This explains a lot about the final boss fight issues

[trail sail]

holy jesus

[old brook]

i knew that hit too early

[obtuse halo]

I mostly relied on jumping them from ambush for a backstab, and trying to finish them off quick

in principle a greatshield should make a mockery of them too

[vernal imp]

What build are you on?

[kind garden]

LMAOOO

I never noticed this because I literally parried it every time after noticing you could

[left willow]

[modest berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VHPcc-NHhE&list=WL&index=2

some interesting ideas, not usually a big fan of "lore videos" but and enjoy that she approaches this stuff from a historical/architectual allusion/allegory angle more than getting too bogged down in in game specifics

[golden pond]

helphen

HEL

HELPHEN'S STEEPLE MENTIONED, OH MY LORD

[left willow]

bonk

Orrery of SLAM, HERE COMES THE JAM, COME ON GET DOWN WITH THIS EXPLODA-NOM

[frozen olive]

watched another Ongbal build and he used (post final boss spoiler)||Light of Miquella against Malenia|| which is foul

[steel scroll]

||using malenia's prosthesis sword on radamiquellagon - "nice job becoming a god to save the people you love, buddy! check this out!"||

[golden pond]

||beating people to death with their loved one's limbs is alwasy funny in RPGs||

[paper badge]

my go-to for any annoying DLC enemies was to spam storm blade lmao

[frozen olive]

||ok yeah using the Malenia sword on Radahn and Miquella is extremely funny, BM against Radahn using the sword of the person who rotted him and evil shit against Miquella using the weapon of his sister||

[stone cove]

The funniest thing I've seen is one of those boss vs boss videos.

||Malenia trounced them, esp once she went goddess of rot||

[languid tiger]

||infinite healing just wins, yeah||

||unless it's a boss that can chain-stagger her, she'll just clown past it||

||also super weak to rot, so the odds are kinda stacked against him||

||malenia's moveset just clowns on "fair" bosses||

[modest berry]

that one was so good, they just posted a ||divine lion one|| and lord i adore the quick weapon hotswitches, ashes of war and incantations used like mobility abilities to dance around and dodge just breaking it open. i want to do that so bad

[frozen olive]

Ongbal got the secret sauce for that kind of stuff

watching it now and what an incredible mastery of this fight

you really have to have such a fucking grasp on every move to be able to pull something like that off

[stone cove]

I wrote this up for a forum but some of you might find it useful

Defence stacking is hilariously effective in Elden Ring.

It's all multiplicative, which means while you can't get immunity to a damage type, if you cast something like Flame Protect Me?

You're taking 60% less fire damage than you were. You had 50% fire resist before, and you cast it? You'll take 60% less damage than you were at 50%.

A friend was having trouble vs a boss, so I came along to help out, and they were going what the hell as his fire attacks just tickled me - because I had 85% fire resist with everything up.

Just absolutely silly time.

HP makes that go further. Having trouble with a boss? Slap on Dragoncrest Greatshield, Crimson Amber +3, pearldrake +3 and the relevant Elemental resist shield. Put opaline Hardtear In your physick + Deflecting or Winged hard tear

Still having trouble? Equip morgot's great rune a and pop a rune arc. Cast golden vow (there's even a craftablea consumable version now, though it only lasts 45s to the spell versions 80s, and it's a slightly weaker effect. Still!)

Still having trouble even then? Eat a relevant pickled liver, or boiled crab, or cast the relevant greater barrier (these are all mutually exclusive, mind). Grab a medium shield with high resists and slap barricade on it.

This will stratospherally spike your effective hp and let you make so many more mistakes. It is hilarious just how much stuff will go dwoink off you with such a setup.

[left willow]

It was me. I was the friend

[grave plinth]

Finally, ||Backpack Ranni||
|| https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/elden-ring-mod-finally-lets-you-wear-ranni-as-a-demigod-backpack-like-the-true-consort-you-are/ ||

[frozen olive]

||"You know i keep that mf than on me." lmao||

[stone cove]

It's true! I mainly got inspired by that and was like oh i should write up this non-obvious stuff

[obtuse halo]

Yeah defense stacking is pretty great

I want to use those consumable golden vows on bow-only but i love myself too much to farm blessed bone shards

[frail sky]

[paper badge]

https://fixvx.com/elden_things/status/1810557182980546874

[modest trellis]

Oh Godfrey is supposed to be like a reverse Gilgamesh huh. Where his Enkidu is the "civilized" one.

[raw coral]

god the ||Dancing Lion|| theme is so good

[frozen olive]

yes

[obtuse halo]

yeah it's a banger

[frozen olive]

man so savage they literally had to find the fucking king of beasts and spiritually attach him to his back to make him less feral

[obtuse halo]

the music is generally pretty on point, which is great because I actually thought ER was one of the weaker fromsoft soundtracks in the basegame

there are a few good ones but it's mostly forgettable

[raw coral]

Definitely up there with my top tracks in the game along with Godskin Apostle and Radagon

[frozen olive]

Godfrey is really fucking cool anyway

one of the less problematic people in the royal family

which doesn't say much since they are all pretty problematic but he's still the GOAT

[obtuse halo]

the basegame ones that really stand out to me are Godrick, Rykard, Radagon, and the Black Knives

[frozen olive]

it's ironic to me that Godrick has so much cool shit and is the most pathetic person in the entire game

[raw coral]

I forget, what was his problem other than having two omen children?

[frozen olive]

mostly just doing a LOT of war

[obtuse halo]

Oh he's just a berserker lol

[raw coral]

I mean, he’s literally compensating in lore

[frozen olive]

it's outright stated that Godfrey fucking fought and killed everyone who was strong in the lands between

[obtuse halo]

his armor set indicates that he pretty much lived to fight and died inside the moment he realized he was out of worthy opponents

[golden pond]

he's a babarian

rawr

[frozen olive]

like he unironically just went around fucking killing everyone noteworthy until nobody was left

then he lost his grace immediately and was exiled

[golden pond]

So tarnished-coded

[modest berry]

|| hes maybe a deadbeat dad?? to nepheli as well||

[obtuse halo]

I mean. Yes.

[frozen olive]

he is basically the ultimate tarnished

[raw coral]

Fr

[frozen olive]

he is also you know

[golden pond]

god forbid a tarnished has hobbies

[languid tiger]

he was the first tarnished

[frozen olive]

the Lord of the Tarnished

so it uh

[obtuse halo]

||He's literally listed in the intro as one of the prime examples of the Tarnished!||

[frozen olive]

it makes sense

you know?

[obtuse halo]

which is only a mild spoiler really

[golden pond]

🙄 can't do anything nowadays without the woke mob coming after you to tell you off

[frozen olive]

||i love that Gold Mask is listed alongside him and the others||

[languid tiger]

fuck, i just realized

a hoarah loux h2h moveset

would go so fucking hard

[raw coral]

You’re so right

[modest berry]

BUSTAAAAAAAAAA

[obtuse halo]

I know, we got robbed with hand-to-hand weapons and no grappler moveset

[frozen olive]

we did

[languid tiger]

time to patch the base game

[frozen olive]

i thought there would be more hand to hand shit

[obtuse halo]

at least give us a command grab ash of war that'd be so cool

[languid tiger]

swap HL's earthshaker to the same thing the sword lance does

regular weapon with the aow on it

[obtuse halo]

I like most of the new weapon classes, but what I don't like is that most of them only have two entries and frequently only one is infusable

[raw coral]

Yeah, a shame we didn’t get some more weapons for the new catagories

[golden pond]

best i can do is this

[frozen olive]

i just have to sit here with the dryleaf arts and Hoarah Loux's Earthshaker

[languid tiger]

lifesteal fist

[frail sky]

Can hand to hand get lifesteal fist?

[languid tiger]

yes it can

[frozen olive]

dryleaf arts with lifesteal fist would be the closes i guess

[golden pond]

yeah but it's a punch

[obtuse halo]

That's fair, but I really meant I wanted to do some of Hoarah Loux's hilarious throws

[golden pond]

not a grab

[frozen olive]

maybe Hoarah Loux's earthshaker also

[frail sky]

And are also all locked behind beating Mohg

[frozen olive]

i wish to powerbomb my enemies

[obtuse halo]

yeah that can be an issue

[languid tiger]

also on this, i fucking love mohg's theme

the phase 2 is so good

[frail sky]

Please Miyazaki, put milady or a worse version of milady in the twin husks’ inventory

[languid tiger]

i just want an lgs that's not an lgs

give me a "light greatsword" longspear

[golden pond]

give me a gun

[languid tiger]

the swift spear is not enough

[obtuse halo]

yeah there are some movesets that I would love to see on cosmetically different weapons

[languid tiger]

fuckin

[frail sky]

You will have a cannon and you will like it

[languid tiger]

ghostflame spear

with the lgs moveset

[obtuse halo]

I've already talked about a "Twinblade" staff for quarterstaff users

[golden pond]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EN_1bNIQvGU

[languid tiger]

quarterstaff twinblade would be great too

[obtuse halo]

would be super cool and be very little work since the animations are already there

[frozen olive]

"Radagon must not know i came from the streets of Yharnam, what's good"

lol, lmao

[raw coral]

Found the main gauche recently and it seems pretty neat

[golden pond]

so mad we never got a twinblade that does strike

[frozen olive]

bro thought he was the main character

[frail sky]

Imagine if we could powerstance cannons 🤤

[frozen olive]

Radagon does not play like that

[raw coral]

Wakizashi for thrusting swords

[golden pond]

i ove the mod it's from

[languid tiger]

more like the parrying dagger

[golden pond]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/X4ahTDjU07U

[frail sky]

How so?

It can be powerstanced with thrusting swords in the same way the wakizashi can powerstance with katanas

[raw coral]

I went around early shadow keep parrying dudes with it and critting with the rapier for fun

[golden pond]

scriptsmith hammer tho

is peak weapon

https://youtube.com/shorts/fIKZvzMmWhk?si=v9E1izPpCmuklQ1G

[obtuse halo]

Yeah I'm actually planning on trying that out with the Carian Sorcery Sword on one of my characters eventually

[languid tiger]

my Internet cut out right as I posted, but I think it has the "unique" dagger parry animation that I don't think the infusible ash of war gives other daggers

[obtuse halo]

That character was based on a jedi character from a star wars rpg who actually used a (physical) parrying dagger in one hand and a lightsaber in the other, so it works weirdly well conceptually

I was using scholar's weapon but really, carian slicer/piercer/greatsword would work just as well

[frozen olive]

still don't really get how powerstancing with main gauche is useful compared to just having two full swords

[raw coral]

Oh yeah, it has the improved dagger parry and you can infuse it with parry

[frozen olive]

also i need to give the carian sorcery sword a go

[raw coral]

Parry, stamina cost, and weight mainly

[frail sky]

Improved dagger parry?

[frozen olive]

it own't be useful on my carian sorcerer character

[frail sky]

Don’t all dagger parries have the same frame data?

[frozen olive]

since she has the Carian Regal Scepter

[languid tiger]

do they?

[raw coral]

you can parry with thrusting swords but it’s doodoo

[dusty kraken]

Can you carian retaliation the parrying dagger?

[obtuse halo]

it has a better parry than thrusting swords, it's cool, and its parry overrides in the left hand like a shield's would

[languid tiger]

thought the parry aow was worse than the native one on pdag

[frozen olive]

but uh, i can still try the carian sorcery sword

[dusty kraken]

Or just parry?

[languid tiger]

i've never used golden parry/carian retal in my life, so idk

[frail sky]

From what I can tell from looking it up yeah

[obtuse halo]

I was actually annoyed on release when I did a thrusting sword build that a main-gauche combo moveset wasn't supported like in DS2

[raw coral]

Only parry unfortunately

[obtuse halo]

because powerstancing in ER is way simpler than ds2's approach

[dusty kraken]

Boooo

[obtuse halo]

MUST be two identical weapon types

[raw coral]

me when I equipped bloody helice and reduvia

[languid tiger]

huh, til, i guess it is just parry waki

[dusty kraken]

Let me spell parry with parrying dagger cowards!

[obtuse halo]

That said the main-gauche parry has better frame data than the normal dagger parry

[languid tiger]

ds2 powerstancing my beloved

[obtuse halo]

it's more similar to buckler parry

[raw coral]

Also it feels like it’s meant to be used with the Rapier

[languid tiger]

oh, that is what i thought - but it's not like that for the parrying dagger?

[obtuse halo]

no, parrying dagger is a disappointment

[languid tiger]

fucked up

[raw coral]

since the rapier is already short and has the second highest crit bonus in the game

[frail sky]

Wait what? I’m not seeing that anywhere

[real shadow]

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Main-gauche Going by the top comment (I know, I know): "Active for 9 frames instead of 5, and has 31 recovery frames instead of 35."

[obtuse halo]

this might be hearsay - I haven't tested it myself

[frail sky]

That’s compared to thrusting swords, not daggers

[real shadow]

It's the closest I could find.

[golden pond]

The Parry skill has 11 start-up frames, 9 active frames, and 31 recovery frames (at 60 FPS), making it slightly worse than small shields, but better than any other weapon archetype.

so it's the same as a p dagger

[raw coral]

Main Gauche seems like a nice pair with the new talisman that’s basically and exultation but for crits instead of a status

get a parry for the crit then do a bunch of damage with the powerstance moveset

[real shadow]

Main-Gauche has slightly higher stats compared to the parrying dagger so I think it's mostly just a replacement instead of a huge upgrade.

[raw coral]

also its just a nice style win for thrusting sword enjoyers

[real shadow]

Yeah, I'm thinking this is a "fashion souls" sort of weapon--looks sick as fuck with a rapier but is functionally only a marginal upgrade.

[paper badge]

random detail observation from a YouTube comment that's like. so tragic and gutting to me

||the place in Shadow Keep where you find living jars and innards?||

||it looks like a hospital ward, and I initially thought it was a research thing and/or making jars||

but

||what if Messmer had his scholars trying to heal them||

||disentangle the shamans from the flesh masses||

[golden pond]

cough spoilers cough

[obtuse halo]

oh

that

might be true

there's also some insight into what's going on there from a spirit ash you can find in another part of the area

[golden pond]

||was the jarring process explained? like do they get put in a mass then in the jar or all in the jar at once?||

[obtuse halo]

||Ashen remains in which spirits yet dwell. Use to summon the spirit of Fire Knight Hilde. A spirit who belonged to the Fire Knights; an order which answers directly to Messmer. Hilde swings a slender greatsword and casts fire incantations. Hilde was a dear friend to Salza the sage, and joined those who urged that the specimens be preserved. Hilde's ashes were enshrined as a charm to protect the storehouse.||

[frozen olive]

||the whole fucking place is one big tragedy honestly||

[paper badge]

from context clues ||bunch of people get cut to little chunks, including presumably at least one Shaman per jar, which seems to be the special ingredient because 'their flesh melds harmoniously with that of others'||

[obtuse halo]

I honestly think ||the shaman at the center might be relatively intact, with the others cut into chunks and grafted onto them||

||if you look at the flesh-masses that come out of the unfinished jars, there's a mostly intact, light-haired person at the center with a lot of extra mass glued to them||

[paper badge]

I think ||the specimens being referenced here are the various horned beasts and giant tutelary deities hanging in the central tower, which is the part actually referred to as the specimen storehouse||

[paper badge]

I'd be more inclined to think that ||the shaman is desperately trying to piece their dismembered body back together from within the flesh mass, still conscious and in horrific agony||

[frail sky]

||Messmer’s forces seem like a pretty tight-knit group don’t they||

[obtuse halo]

Yeah a lot of them seem to be genuinely friends or brothers-in-arms

[paper badge]

whatever the case, it's a fascinating reading to think that ||Messmer and/or his subordinates are desperately, futilely trying to help the jarred shamans in their infirmary||

[obtuse halo]

if you look at ||Black Knight Huw, Messmer actually mourned him after putting him down for involvement in a rebellion||

[paper badge]

hypocratic oath to the max

[obtuse halo]

you know, come to think of it, this actually helps provide some context for why ||Grafting is such a loathed and loathsome practice in the lands between. besides the obvious reasons, I mean||

||I can't imagine Marika approves of it, considering||

[paper badge]

||and yet it seems like only the Golden Lineage can really do it, presumably thanks to their Shaman blood, no matter how diluted. Plus, there's some living jars in stormveil, come to think of it||

[golden pond]

||ALEXANDER MY BELOVED||

[modest berry]

||i also like that considering their doctrine i can understand why the hornsent/potentates might do that stuff its not just random evil deeds||

[old brook]

||Tooth. Whip.||

[paper badge]

anything for ||the spiral current of the crucible||

[frail sky]

||…huh, I wonder how the jars in the lands between were made given the lack of numens/shamens||

[obtuse halo]

I've been wondering about a connection between ||the hornsent|| and the Ancestral Followers myself but I've been struggling to find a smoking fun or anything that quite dovetails satisfyingly

[paper badge]

after all, ||the jars are the cycle of death and rebirth taken into mortal hands||

[obtuse halo]

it's a lot of almosts

[grave plinth]

||Yeah, like in terms of training and discipline too they're miles above all the other armies in the base game. Their fortifications and encampments are like, actually maintained and they don't have a critically depleted officer class (black knights are everywhere in Scadu Altus||

[old brook]

||if anything they seem to work better, it might just be a thing you can do with regular ol' corpses||

||shaman keep waking up and being overwhelmed with horror||

[paper badge]

||bunch of the shit hanging in the specimen storehouse resembles ancestor spirits||

[grave plinth]

||I strongly suspect that if he was allowed to participate, Messmer would have won the Shattering||

[obtuse halo]

yeah, there's lots of almosts like that

[old brook]

||Messmer does seem to have that AoE judging by trailer||

[modest berry]

||for sure the people in a torture hut would be horrible , i just think that as a whole, it can be rationalized why people who worship the primordial soup as a deity would think that being part of mashing everyone into jam together would be not just uncruel, but a mercy or an honor|| is my take

[obtuse halo]

the Ancestral Followers also make a Spiralhorn Shield, which sorta connects to ||the Spiral theme|| but there's nothing quite conclusive

[grave plinth]

||The Haligtree and Redmane armies might have come close, but we never actually do see them at their prime. Plus the Haligtree army basically has attrition built in because the Cleanrots were always going to degenerate from the Rot||

[modest berry]

there definitely is one id wager

perhaps ill extrapolate on it further

[obtuse halo]

yeah it feels like there's gotta be something but I've been struggling to find it

I'm kind of approaching the point where I'm not 100% sure there is a connection beyond just both worshipping the crucible

[modest berry]

i want to go back and watch the original trailer i love thinking about the height of the shattering, giant perfumer artillery bolts, golems marching on castle walls

[languid tiger]

the shattering is so fucking cool to think about

[modest berry]

in terms of who would win the shattering all considered its guesses and in souls games you can speculate forever just how powerful someone would be in their prime but it is sick

[obtuse halo]

Oh, and in the final DLC dungeon, you can find ||a large group of inquisitors worshipping around a small pile of lootable Budding Horns, an item specifically of spiritual importance to the ancestral followers||

[umbral portal]

Messmer is pretty cool

[old brook]

Messmer might not 1v1 everyone but 'fire but alive' seems hard to top in terms of siege and war

[umbral portal]

Also, as previously stated, he has a very capable and functional army

By comparison to everyone else, who's status isn't the best

[real shadow]

Well their status isn't the best now, so I think if he invaded the Lands Between as it currently is he'd sweep most of it handily.

[old brook]

Shattering really messed folks up outside

[modest berry]

i was watching some of those "lore accurate" modded versions of bosses and thinking what a ||messmer one would look like, maybe he has the giant snake barf up a divine lion kebabed on a stick and does a big fire tornado spin with it among other cool things ||

[obtuse halo]

Oh, and the horn charms (the ones that boost status resistance) have +2 variants in the DLC with the same descriptions referencing the ancestral followers and are located in: ||Gaols, Belurat, and Rauh||

so like

there's gotta be some link

[modest berry]

love me post apocolyptic fantasy

[real shadow]

If we're doing it during the war where everyone is arguably at the top of their game and fully-equipped for war I think it'd be more of a challenge. Radahn pre-rot would probably push his shit in, Malenia as well.

[obtuse halo]

actually! Actually!

[old brook]

I wonder how Rykard did things back in the day

[obtuse halo]

I need to compare the reliefs on the Steles in the underground part of the base game and ||the reliefs in Belurat||

[obtuse halo]

It probably resembled the others somewhat, since he had loyal Gelmir Knights who fought against the armies of Leyndell, with Iron Virgins present as shock troops

[old brook]

I mean personally! We know he.. had a greatsword

[languid tiger]

he also reinvented magma sorceries

[obtuse halo]

Oh, we know he was a sorcerer, yeah

[old brook]

Rancor seems post-snake so probably the more normal varieties

[languid tiger]

I think every single one of those siblings was an absurdly talented sorcerer

[modest berry]

||THIS !!! they arent the same exactly, but i was watching quelagg earlier and she made a connction that belurat has a very, like, roman version of mesopotamian archicture style version of the underground ruins with the statues of that bearded guy, and the underground had horned people living near numens ||, sort of a microcosm of the shadowlands

[obtuse halo]

Yeah magma shot and the other gelmir magma hexes were reworked as sorceries by Rykard, who was a glintstone genius just like Ranni and Radahn.

[old brook]

Rykard founded magma specifically to have his own theme like gravity and cold

[obtuse halo]

lmao yeah

[languid tiger]

it's obligatory

their mom and dad were both wizard geniuses

[old brook]

Is he the eldest? I forget

[languid tiger]

they gotta be

[obtuse halo]

I think Ranni is the eldest

[languid tiger]

"pioneer the revival of an extinct branch of magic as sorcery"

[old brook]

But she's such a troublemaker that's baby energy

[obtuse halo]

She's definitely the Carian Heir, though it's possible they're just strictly matrilineal or something

[languid tiger]

"be so good at gravity magic you literally stop the fucking motion of stars"

[modest berry]

||i kind of believe rykard might have met messmer when he was young and spent time around his "older"? brother radhan, deep red fire and snakes idk the order of the radagon kids, and that he could have beeen a big influence on him||

[real shadow]

Ranni has strong "middle child" energy in a way I can't explain so I'm saying she's the middle child on vibes alone.

[obtuse halo]

We know Radahn is the youngest and the Golden order had the strongest influence on him, possibly because he was taken to Leyndell at such a young age and saw Godfrey as a hero figure

[golden pond]

she's very "i'm the boss around here" so yeah

[real shadow]

That and being left alone to her own devices that she just stumbles on a witch in the woods.

[modest berry]

we know the lands between are just a normal planet now from ymir so in my opinion its more likely radahn just stops the planet rather than the whole cosmos, but still impressive

[real shadow]

Happened to me all the time, lemme tell ya.

[obtuse halo]

which is never not funny to me btw

[golden pond]

???????/

[old brook]

Does Radahn even know what he's doing to the tides

[languid tiger]

stopping the movement of a planet is still pretty ridiculous yeah

[golden pond]

ah yes, let's top moving the planet so the moon and sun can just fuck off

lmao

[obtuse halo]

Radahn: "Wow, dad, your new wife's ex-husband is a badass, I wanna be just like him when I grow up"
Radagon: "???????"

[languid tiger]

but I think he did physically arrest the movement of the stars

as opposed to the planet

because of the meteorite that falls and opens nokron when you kill him

[frail sky]

Would be stopping the planet but still moving the sun then

[modest berry]

i honestly wish we could have gotten a ranni boss fight, if you decided not to go with her and even betray her, theres kind of one already with her mothers whole fight even being just an enchantment she set to protect her

but it would be nasty

[grave plinth]

The Lands Between might be a round planet but that doesn't mean that the rest of the universe follows a classic astronomical worldview

[obtuse halo]

I mean, if you betray her, she just kills you instantly, no saving throw. 😛

[grave plinth]

It might be Geocentric for all we know

[languid tiger]

the ranni boss fight is you and seluvis trying to betray her

[old brook]

Still feel like something more than divorce happened to Renalla

[languid tiger]

and her literally instantly killing you

[frail sky]

I love how Ymir basically just goes “yeah the Big Bang happened”

[grave plinth]

I think Radagon messed with her brain on the way out

[frail sky]

“We’re all just stardust dude”

[modest berry]

yeah i figured he was kind of a sleeper agent meant to sabotage caria

[old brook]

And still don't know Why Egg

[obtuse halo]

Radagon's history raises a lot of weird not-fully-answered questions in general

There's also hints that he was originally the leader of a worker rebellion at Stormveil Castle in Limgrave

via the Brick Hammer

[grave plinth]

See i don't think so

[obtuse halo]

and the Misbegotten are referred to in the files as Sons of Radagon

[real shadow]

Pale nerd girl loses beautiful bishi boy, of course she lost it.

[obtuse halo]

which is its own giant question mark

[grave plinth]

Because the Hammer Radagon uses is actually Marika's weapon

[obtuse halo]

yeah

[grave plinth]

Radagon, as he was, is associated with Swords

rather than the husk of him we end up fighting

[old brook]

Also Giants?

[modest berry]

there are totally red haired misbegotten and one even has his discarded marriage sword, he has crucible and fire giant connections which makes his marriage to miss heresy hater very strange

[old brook]

Because: reasons

[frail sky]

Relevant fanart: ||https://fixvx.com/nagekichi/status/1810596305292664835||

[obtuse halo]

yeah there's a lot of questions

[grave plinth]

I think the Misbegotten thing is either an artifact of an earlier draft, or he sometimes sires Misbegotten like Marika sometimes births Omen

[golden pond]

oh my lord, wife

[real shadow]

See I'm totally right

[obtuse halo]

Radagon just being a fuckboi all the way across the lands between canon???

sorry this is only making it funnier

[frail sky]

||I forgot people theorized Rellana is in love with Messmer tbh||

[grave plinth]

theorized?

[obtuse halo]

theorized?

[old brook]

Misbegotten also very crucible-ish

[frozen olive]

theorized?

[frail sky]

I mean just look at him and tell me he doesn’t have fuckboi energy

[golden pond]

Theodore?

[frail sky]

Theodorix?

[real shadow]

All those books in Rennala's library? All shojo manga. No wonder she went crazy over Radagon.

[golden pond]

DIO

[golden pond]

it's all yaoi

Rennala is 100% a fujoshi

[real shadow]

Lots of yaoi falls under shojo so yeah absolutely

[modest berry]

whoah im going to go try to get the halig greatshield and i just killed a cleanrot knight and it dropped everything it could possibly drop at once

[grave plinth]

Meanwhile ||Rellana read them and decided to become the in-universe equivalent of The Rose of Versailles||

[frail sky]

Guess it runs in the family https://x.com/Bigscaryartist1/status/1801833439169003944

🏳️‍⚧️ BIG BOO VT 🇸🇪 (@Bigscaryartist1) on X

This is what the age of stars ending really is.

Twitter · Jun 15, 2024, 4:25 AM

[real shadow]

Takes after her mom.

[frozen olive]

spear guys in sekiro fucking suck

[modest berry]

i love reading stuff in her voice

[grave plinth]

Rennala read shojo and decided that she needed to fuck a bishonen

||Rellana read shojo and decided that she needed to fuck a bishonen and be a bishonen||

[obtuse halo]

||Carian light greatsword embedded with blue glintstone. Weapon of Rellana, the Twin Moon Knight. Two swords as a single armament. When two-handing, a straight sword engraved with golden flame will be carried in the left hand. Here, and here alone, were moon and fire ever together.
Remembrance of Rellana, the Twin Moon Knight, hewn into the Scadutree. The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader. Alternatively, it can be used to gain a great bounty of runes. Once a Carian princess, Rellana disavowed her birthright and chose to stand at Messmer's side instead, knowing full well that not even the brilliance of the moon could grant him succor. Before long, she became known as the Sword of Messmer.
Ornate helm of Rellana, the Twin Moon Knight, fashioned from silver steel. Rennala, head of the royal family of Caria, was said to have given her younger sister, who renounced her lineage to chase after Messmer, a gift of lustrous black hair.||
|| I guess it never spells out directly that she was pining for Messmer but using words like "Chase" really gives that impression. That said it doesn't seem to have worked out for her; "here and here alone were moon and fire ever together" suggests he wasn't that interested if we interpret it as metaphor, and it definitely isn't true literally considering the Sword of Night and Flame both exists and was a treasured artifact of the Carian Royal Line. ||

(earlyish dlc spoilers above)

[golden pond]

||Messmer is actually a tboy and Rellana is a chaser||

finally, boy halimede

[obtuse halo]

something something messmer's snake

[real shadow]

||Messmer: "I look a boy but I was born full of snakes." Rellana: "Hot."||

[golden pond]

stm

[frail sky]

||I’m just assuming that Messmer is comically oblivious to Rellana’s affection||

[real shadow]

||Well he IS a mama's boy, all Rellana needed to do was accept being called mommy and--||

[golden pond]

||i loved it when rellana smashed her moons on me c:||

[stone cove]

Mods, we need a newspaper in here

[obtuse halo]

this conversation grows more cursed by the second

[real shadow]

Oh it could be worse

[umbral portal]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414884

[real shadow]

waaaaaaaaaay worse

[grave plinth]

||yeah he certainly seems capable of being outgoing and forging strong relationships when he's not busy brooding about his mom||

[grave plinth]

||She charge my Greatsword until I Crystal Burst||

[spark pine]

Elden ring is basically mommy issues all the way down

[frozen olive]

yeah

[grave plinth]

not true, sometimes its sibling issues

[frozen olive]

basically

[frozen olive]

me when i do the fratricide

[golden pond]

Oh I have no issues with the mommies

[frozen olive]

tbf that was also a mom problem

considering Marika pit them against eachother

basically anyway

[spark pine]

sibling issues caused by the mother issues when the mother disappears

[grave plinth]

Well also Ranni/Marika and their respective sibling-dogs

[old brook]

The shadows are still odd tbh

[spark pine]

In almost every way Marika is like Ragyo from Kill la Kill

[old brook]

"Also, have a dog man"

[grave plinth]

and Godrick if anything has like, however-many-times-great granddaddy issues

[frozen olive]

you know

[modest berry]

with george rr martin writing we're lucky we dont have sibling issues that are also mommy issues

[frozen olive]

(final boss spoilers)||Miquella being fucked up and evil is probably cause he didn't have a dog-sibling to like, chill with||

i think it would have ||fixed him||

[grave plinth]

||what are you talking about, Malenia is right there||

[frozen olive]

||distinct lack of dog or wolf-like appearance modifiers, she's chock full of rot though||

[obtuse halo]

||Rellana's Cameo|| doesn't work with bow stances?! 😩

can't have SHIT in detroit

[spark pine]

||Malenia does not have that dog in her||

[grave plinth]

||Malenia is a borzoi mod of a human||

[frozen olive]

||distinct and unfortunate lack of dog in her||

[grave plinth]

||Long, Loyal, has two speeds: fast and zero||

[obtuse halo]

if you're wondering, yes, I did try using Radahn's Rain against ||the guy himself||

[frozen olive]

based

[obtuse halo]

it didn't work that well

[modest berry]

i think its also cool and fitting that radagons kid got a wolf beast companion instead of the more cattys ones of marikas side

[obtuse halo]

...wait, is the Red Wolf of Radagon his shadow, somehow?

how did I never ask this before?

[spark pine]

Radahn got a horse who he loved very much so I think that maybe, just maybe, more horses

[frail sky]

||…is Rellana just a YA protagonist? Like, she threw away all of her status and glory to go after the handsome and brooding outcast ||

[grave plinth]

Marika might've stolen the lions from ||The Hornsent||

[modest berry]

radahn also had a cat tho theory confirmed!!!!!

[spark pine]

Radahn confirmed horseboy and catboy

[modest berry]

interesting, we know there are has fire and frost breathing horned lions in the lands between in stormveil and eclipse and also redmane

[grave plinth]

||They have the same horns depicted on the Divine Beast Puppet. They might be many times removed Divine Messenger Beasts||

||Hell Serosh might have actually been a divine messenger that Marika stapled to Hoarah Loux||

[obtuse halo]

||The Beasts of Farum Azula were definitely their own thing though, and probably not divine messengers to the hornsent. Probably.||

[grave plinth]

||The beasts of Farum Azula are weird, like at first you think they're wolfmen but if you look closer they actually resemble hyenas or even furry lizards in terms of how their skulls are put together||

[modest berry]

||these one i genuinely think are tho, or at least descendants elemental horned lions its too perfect||

[grave plinth]

||If anything they look like predator mammals from like, a previous geological era.||

[modest berry]

they are just total beast mix, everything is connected to the crucible?!!!

[stone cove]

She's someone's teen Mary Sue fanfic character

And it's very funny

[spark pine]

Yeah pretty sure the Crucible is where a lot of stuff started, and is sort of a 'neutral' force

[real shadow]

||I like the idea that the Greater Will has just been doing experiments for ages and these are the results of them "uplifting" animals into sapient beings.||

[spark pine]

at least the closest there is in Elden Ring

[obtuse halo]

Yeah, but Serosh is definitely associated with Farum Azula. He has five fingers and his crown resembles the tiaras the beastmen sometimes wear, and the axe of godfrey has the same pattern engraved on it as the Beastman Cleaver

[stone cove]

Highest INT req spell; so charismatic people followed into obscurity! Weapon that requires mastery of four stats to draw out it's potential!

[modest berry]

||and hes sibling? or at least same type critter to maliketh who we find in faram azula in the past i mean||

[stone cove]

(also for the record, I love that she's a goofy riff like that, she's a good character and I wish she'd gotten a Cutscene and more development)

[obtuse halo]

The black nails protruding from golden fur are said to represent Serosh, Lord of Beasts, who went to become King Godfrey's Regent.``` beastclaw greathammer has one of the few bits of direct lore text we get on serosh though

[frail sky]

…oh god she is isn’t she
||She’s even Renalla’s previously unmentioned sister||

[obtuse halo]

He's at least connected to Malekith's role as Beast Clergyman

[stone cove]

Yes! Involved in important events despite never having been mentioned before

Honestly it just shows that Mary Sue is mostly a bullshit insult. Good characters are for characters

[obtuse halo]

Five Fingers is important to the beasts, btw

Cindequea has this to say:

Raises potency of bestial incantations.

The design celebrates a beast's five fingers, symbolic of the intelligence once granted upon their kind.```

[stone cove]

She works because the focus is on her tragedy

[modest berry]

dlc spoilers ||i wonder if the fact we can harm metyr without a fingerslayer blade is because shes been abandoned as a vassal of the greater will||

[obtuse halo]

anyway yeah, Serosh is 100% the lord of the beastmen of Farum Azula, or at least was before the Golden Order conquest

[modest berry]

the greater will might have also given placidusax 5 heads now that i think about it

similarlly to the fingers of the beastmen

[golden pond]

where did the 5th one go?

||cause 2 are still on bayle||

[modest berry]

||maybe i missed something and he only had 4 ||

i might be hallucinating

[old brook]

He only has four in the Old Lord's talisman

[real shadow]

He had 5, we just don't know what happened to one of them.

[old brook]

But there's five necks

[real shadow]

Which could be as mundane as "it got turned into chunky salsa and there was nothing left."

[modest trellis]

Yeah I was gonna say it feels a little to speculative to be like "what about the unaccounted for head!"

[old brook]

Tripped over that one

[modest trellis]

||Like maybe Bayle ate it yummy||

[modest berry]

||the dragonlord talisman also has 4, maybe this ruins my connection but maybe he had 5 but lost one and that severed his connection before the bayle stuff idk ||

[golden pond]

no i think he had 4 lmao

[old brook]

I think he lost one unrelated to ||Bayle and that's why he swept in, was waning||

[modest berry]

lore moment

[golden pond]

ah

talisman isn't accurate

body has 3 stumps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FS6OKJf7Eo

[mellow silo]

Yup

[real shadow]

Now there is parts of a dragon embedded in a rock in Farum Azula which could be Placi's but that's a bit speculative.

[mellow silo]

Placi probably lost his first head in battle while becoming Elden Lord

[golden pond]

||2 are explicitly on bayle||

[modest berry]

so yeah if thats true then i feel the will gave them to him

[mellow silo]

And the Old Lords Talisman was made during his reign, after he lost the first head, but before ||Bayle||

[old brook]

Old Lords Talisman also a nice talisman, recommend for some builds

[golden pond]

it's spell duration tiright?

[old brook]

30% ye

[golden pond]

Zamor Ice Storm gaming

tbh

[stone cove]

I use it on my beast claws build

30% extra duration for golden vow and bloodflame blade is great

Also makes flame grant me strength feel more usable

[old brook]

i'm just glad it's an actual buff to heals over time now, in the old games it made them actively worse

[obtuse halo]

old lord's talisman is pretty cool for buff-heavy builds

[old brook]

also you get to wear a lil' dragon

[obtuse halo]

makes life a lot easier, especially for longer fights where you might have to re-up buffs

[old brook]

it'd be so neat if talismans showed up on model

[golden pond]

they're in pouches

lmao

[obtuse halo]

they're in little pouches you keep under your clothes, presumably 😛

[old brook]

gimme a charm bracelet

[golden pond]

yeah

[obtuse halo]

honestly it'd be cute if there were some item that let you display them though

like if you could hang them from the shining horned headband or something

[modest berry]

so while running to the greatshield knight i never killed the putrid avatar at the haligtree, i killed it, got the rotten staff, but it dropped 2 of them?

interesting

[stone cove]

Yeah, that happens sometimes

[modest berry]

huh i didnt know guaranteed drops could duplicate

[frozen olive]

i got two of ||Freyja's armor|| after the (dlc boss spoiler)||Miquella maniacs civil war||

like the full thing including ||her weapon||

[obtuse halo]

Wow.

I like her chest because it enables a hoplite look that wasn't really supported in the base game

the tree sentinel helm was like that but there wasn't a good chest for it

[frozen olive]

yeah i was super confused when i went to pick it up

and literally all of her stuff dropped twice

[real shadow]

She was going to give you a matching set for when you two got married.

alas.

[obtuse halo]

LMAO

it's just as well, considering the mark on the mask I assume her idea of marriage was similar to Yuria's if it was meant to be a matching set.

[frail sky]

You still see grace so you’ll be fine

[obtuse halo]

fascinating, is that a bug or just wild rng?

[glossy delta]

IIRC all rotten avatars have a chance of dropping the rotten staff, and that one has an additional 100% chance drop

[real shadow]

https://fxtwitter.com/berserksouls/status/1810407004273283373

[atomic marsh]

fuck

[golden pond]

yes c:

[golden pond]

quick question

do aromatics apply to summons?

like ashses specifically

[kind garden]

Yes

[gray leaf]

...has anyone tried lining the Realms of Shadow up with the big conspicuous hole in the middle of the Lands Between?

[golden pond]

yes

many times

[steel scroll]

yep, lots

i think people treating it as a 1 to 1 scale are misguided though. its space fuckery

[golden pond]

not exactly

[obtuse halo]

here's u/npcompl33t's trace on reddit that I don't know if I fully buy but does have some interesting connections that seem like they fit

particularly ||Belurat is basically right next to the Uhl Palace Ruins||

[golden pond]

||https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F154cgohjob8d1.gif%3Fwidth%3D508%26format%3Dmp4%26s%3D19fb0fa32bc56573306bfddca708becd28c97ee6||

thanks reddit

ugh

[golden pond]

another thing is
||Shaman village tree is really close to the actual tree when lined up like this||

||And the suppression pillar IS at the center of hte lands between, roughly||

[spark pine]

I don't really buy it either. It only works if you really squint at it

[golden pond]

||by all means, that is canon
but we just don't have an official placement otuside of the pillar that says "this is hte middle, fam"||

[mellow silo]

Maybe you could line up the suppression pillar with the six divine towers, and then use some common structure to find the correct scale?

Dunno

[obtuse halo]

the divine towers are already a hexagon

so yeah centering that shouldn't be too hard in principle

like, either a perfect hexagon or damn close

[golden pond]

love how farum azula is just fuck you, i'm gonna be in a corner

[obtuse halo]

so, farum azula is displaced in a couple ways

there's some evidence that it might have once been in or above limgrave

namely, all the goddamn pieces of architecture identical to farum azula's littering limgrave

also the random surviving beastman of farum azula in a cave

[golden pond]

@outer flint

in case you wanna boost oyur attack cains

[outer flint]

ooh tanks

so many little build niches...

[kind garden]

combo build is funny

[obtuse halo]

must be nice having talismans actually affect your build

😛

bows don't get shit from anything that doesn't have the word bow on it

[golden pond]

note, miliicent's prosthesis and rotten winged sword insignia do not stack

[frail sky]

This is the dlc spoilers thread!

[golden pond]

but prosth and normal sword insignia odes

[outer flint]

oh yeah i'm outta here

come hang out in #1162109930472493066 while I work through base game 😌

[frail sky]

🧹 to the thread without spoilers ye go

[obtuse halo]

Claw Talisman doesn't affect bow jumping attacks 😭

[golden pond]

no charge aow?

[frail sky]

(Also might want to leave this thread if you don't want to be spoiled)

[obtuse halo]

I think shard of alexander does at least boost bow ashes, so that's something

[outer flint]

thanks rose

💖

[frail sky]

np

[modest berry]

Got the haligtree greatshield after only 20 mins thank god

It goes so well with ||leda's|| set of course

[paper badge]

musou tensei

[obtuse halo]

lmao I gifted someone from another server my spare Milady from Bow-only since I'm definitely not using it there, and as soon as they severed I got invaded.

It turns out real pvpers are a lot worse at dodging arrows than the ultra instinct npcs

[frozen olive]

big moves

[golden pond]

NPCs input read, so yeah

[frail sky]

You beat an invader with a bow!?

[obtuse halo]

yes

[golden pond]

peak gamer

[obtuse halo]

I didn't even use any flasks

(they used at least three that I saw)

one of those might have been a physick

[frail sky]

Honestly I didn’t have much trouble with the invader npcs in the dlc, they just never seemed to roll correctly against milady

[golden pond]

they rolled on start of attack, innit

[frail sky]

(If my phone would stop turning “dlc” into “doc” that’d be nice)

[obtuse halo]

i won't mock this invader too much. They bowed back when I did the gesture so they're cool ones

a lot of people just go for a free hit

[golden pond]

tbf

you were solo, so it's only fair to respect it

[obtuse halo]

that's true, I suppose

but i've also seen people go for it in the arena so eh

[golden pond]

cowards

[obtuse halo]

as a sidenote, damn invaders pay good

this was worth 30k runes

[golden pond]

Defeating an opponent in PvP will reward the player with Runes. The amount of Runes is a fixed amount depending on the defeated opponent's Level; It is a percentage of that player's most-recent leveling cost (eg. a level 50 player drops some % of the cost of leveling up from level 49 to 50). However, the percentage awarded varies depending on the perspective of the player and the type of multiplayer being conducted.

i assume you're around lvl 175

so yeah, makes sense

[obtuse halo]

exactly 175 on bow-only, even

[golden pond]

it's 15% of a level up to the host

[obtuse halo]

so yeah that tracks

[golden pond]

if you got 30k, guy was 168+

lost to a bow

imagine

[frail sky]

I wonder if the pvp meta level is gonna get higher with the dlc

[mellow silo]

Need to get a lvl 713 char just to rune farm it repeatedly

[obtuse halo]

I feel like probably yes, the final boss is just so rough

[mellow silo]

Actual use for Daedicars Woe discovered

[obtuse halo]

XD

[frail sky]

That seems like it’d end up being less time efficient than just shooting mohg bird

[mellow silo]

Mogh Bird is like 13k

[frail sky]

Yes but getting to 713 takes a while

[mellow silo]

A lvl 713 Invader is gonna be dropping ludicrous runes

[golden pond]

177k runes if you do it via sign

2% REWARDS Received by hosts when a duelist is defeated (who was summoned via the Duelist's Furled Finger)

because yo uwon't be able to use invasion

because of woke

[median rock]

im pretty sure the fastest way to farm runes is still duping lord's runes and dropping them

[mellow silo]

Marika Runes now

They're 80k a pop

[median rock]

yeah i was about to correct myself lol

but thats by far the fastest way to do it

[mellow silo]

Dunno how duping works though, other than just Cheat Engine shenanigans

[median rock]

since you can hold up to 99 in one go, tha'ts almost 8 million runes

[golden pond]

you need frineds hto 😔

[median rock]

its trivial. just drop one and then restore your steam cloud save

like force a steam cloud backup, then invade, drop an item, and force steam to reload from the cloud

its also how you can drop 1 of a kind items without actually losing them on the mule character

[mellow silo]

Hmmm, interesting

[obtuse halo]

I dislike that item duping is just kind of the way you do things at a certain level tbh

[median rock]

i'm not sure marika's runes are even worth the hassle to set up a dupe on though since you can get lords runes to 99 super easy compared

since you can pick up like 5-6 throughout the game or something, which means you have to spend ~3 less full quitouts/save backups/trading back and forth to get to 99

[obtuse halo]

there are too many highly limited but powerful consumables

[median rock]

arenas not consuming items is nice now, but yeah. i wish item discovery went up with ng+

[golden pond]

yeah but once you got that, you cna keep it for a next time you need it

[mellow silo]

I mean, you could always just have someone else do it for you, at some point

Trader communities tend to pay big for muling services, if you just ask

[median rock]

yeah, if you're actually going for 713 its not bad

[golden pond]

7,920,000 runes vs 4,950,000

[median rock]

but at that point i'm not bothering to dupe marika's runes legit until i get to 99 - i'm just cheat engine'ing 99 on to me and drop-duping from there

[mellow silo]

I've had 99 lord runes dropped to me several times as a payment for mule work

[golden pond]

at that point just cheat engine the level

[mellow silo]

It's nice

[median rock]

cheat engine level can get u online banned

as can giving items that you don't have already

quantity increasing is safe, though, which is the difference

[golden pond]

cheat engine 99
store 98
do that until chest full

[mellow silo]

If you're accessing the chest, why not just crack em instead

[golden pond]

or that

[median rock]

if ur just trying to actually get to max level instantly on one char theres much easier ways, you can just drop 99 lords runes on the ground -> pick up -> immediately use. that's 100% safe for online mode (as long as you're offline with cheat engine connected)

[median rock]

i meant like, if i want a character to mule runes to ppl for rather than 713 on this dude

thats just really oddly worded w the prev msg lol

[golden pond]

😔 when deathbed smalls dlc

[median rock]

ah yes the instaban item

[mellow silo]

Would be funny if they intentionally left an item like that there just to catch a few of the dumber cheaters

[median rock]

u gotta watch out when picking shit up in pvp 😔

[golden pond]

literally is tho

[median rock]

all that one catches is ppl who drop it to be mean 😔

[golden pond]

also me

nothing more depressing than seeing a challenge run and the guy is doing omre damage at lvl 1 than i'm doing at 200

[stone cove]

I really hate that too. It's just very bad vibes

There's what, Marika Blessings, Starlight Shards, default rot pots/rot arrows, I'm trying to remember what else

[golden pond]

respec items

[frail sky]

Baldachin's blessings, the blessing the ||dragon lady|| gives you, scorpion stew

[golden pond]

balda blessings are kinda whatever tbh

[frail sky]

There's also the radiant variant

[golden pond]

kinda meh