Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[stone cove]

it looks so good

[dusty kraken]

Gravebird Abs + Horns + Boots/Greaves of Solitude get me over 51 poise. XD

And look good

[median rock]

didnt u throw gravebird bracelets on the other one

the other new one

[dusty kraken]

Yeah

The dancer

In other news: I have too many characters.

[modest berry]

i love the bird ab thing and it goes so well with the golden chickn legs which works for my danes footwork setup so well the wings flutter so cool when i jumping attack wheel kick

[dusty kraken]

Yeah, I love leaping attack heavy

[median rock]

wtf do u mean golden chicken legs

[dusty kraken]

Where I just flying kick someone

[median rock]

what armor is that

[modest berry]

||the divine bird knights in raoh drop their taloned foot armor, and they increase all kicking damage on anything||

[median rock]

oh shit what

yo thats sick

||i knew kicks were nerfed if u have no shoes on but not that one||

[dusty kraken]

Izolda is another 'was an RPG character'. An Iron Kingdoms Satyxis. Hence...the outfit. XD

[modest berry]

||yeah with the kick increase stone talisman the damage gets pretty good||

[median rock]

||dmg was already pretty used, I used it for final DLC boss lol||

[dusty kraken]

Does the shattered stone talisman increase normal Dryleaf kicks or only arts of war?

[modest berry]

||i still need to beat it, my ass is getting cooked in phase 2||

[median rock]

||it looked like it worked on r2 kicks too||

[modest berry]

only aow, however the legs are global

[median rock]

||I was getting the bonus on footwork charged r2 but not the other dryleaf fists charged r2||

[modest berry]

oh wait no

[median rock]

wait why am I spoilering that

[dusty kraken]

Also still trying to work out the best infusion on Dryleaf arts. They seem pretty 'Sure, whatever'

[median rock]

nah yeah kicks r kicks

[modest berry]

actually both are global increase as long as its danes or dryleaf

[median rock]

I felt like they got more out of cold

when I used them

but you could probably get better results on the build I was running if I'd been quality or smth for better blue dancer value

[dusty kraken]

I've been using poison with The Poison Blooms Twice rider kick.

[median rock]

oh that's smart

[modest berry]

i had mine sacred for a lot of the game but im strfth so my scaling is not good for bleed or frost or poison really

[median rock]

they'd probably be goated on that setup w lamenters mask n blue dancer iki

depending on how the scaling goes

it's so nice they're so light for their dmg

not a lot of smaller weps scale that much I feel

[modest berry]

wait the gravebirds black quill increases jumping attacks,,,,

[dusty kraken]

It's just really fun to rider kick people and watch them explode.

[modest berry]

claw talisman, bird legs, shattered stone, gravebird set muhahahaa

[median rock]

I wish dryleaf arts counted as a jumping attack

but I dont think it does

I love it for cooking NPCs tho lol

[left willow]

What stat should you boost first for a [Post Castle Ensis] ||Dry Leaf Arts|| run?

(other than vig, obvs, cause vig checks are rough)

[dusty kraken]

Booo. Spinning weapon works on the carian shield. It has no block frames during it. XD

I got yeeted by an attack testing

[median rock]

pick an infusion and go for it

like whatever u wanna make work u can. ||theres 2 martial arts ashes of war - the palm fist one and another combo one later, and both are standard ashes of war at base iirc so you can throw any affinity on them||

||and most ashes that go on fists go on them too||

[modest berry]

||i just biden blast stunlocked everyone for the gank squad i felt so bad "fight back, get up fight back" vine boom||

[left willow]

ty

[dusty kraken]

Realised there's a very simple but very good art of war for the shield.

Glintstone Phalanx

'Come at me assholes'

[median rock]

ye olde 'any sorcerer npc' strat

[dusty kraken]

Still, I think I'll go Giant Hunt for STYLE.

... nevermind

STORM ASSAULT works on this

Not optimal but too damn cool not to do

[left willow]

Does anyone have a straightforward explination of how infusion works?

[stone cove]

Uh

You're gonna have to explain what you're actually asking

Infusions change a weapon's scaling is the very basic answer.

[dusty kraken]

So, basicly: Arts of War can adjust the scaling of your weapons and add extra damage types. Keen for example increases Dex Scaling and decreased other scaling. Heavy increases Str scaling and decreases other scaling. Magic adds magic damage and gives int scaling, while decreasing other scaling.

[left willow]

Like, I understand it adds a stat scaling based on the choice of infusion and some infusions add a condition build up

Gotcha, ok

[dusty kraken]

You can get whetstones that let you add scalings that are not what the art of war would normally allow.

So magic whetstone lets you apply magic affinity even if the art fo war isn't magic

[languid tiger]

(only in standard physicals)

(you can't swap from any specialized type to another one)

[stone cove]

infusions are grouped by type.

STandard/heavy/keen/quality type ashes can be used with any actual infusion type. And all ashes of war of a specific group can always be made Standard/Heavy/Keen/Quality

[dusty kraken]

Yeah but hte iron whetstone lets the elemental ones become physical XD

[languid tiger]

ye

[stone cove]

the rest are special groupings -

Fire/Flame art is it's own group. Fire adds well, Fire damage, but also STR scaling

[dusty kraken]

Magic and Frost both scale on int but magic scales harder on int while frost keeps more of the original scaling + adds some frost buildup.

Poison and Bleed both add a low level of arcane scaling but it's really more about adding poison/bleed (And slightly reducing the previous scalings)

Occult is 'No special effects, your physical damage is now scaling mostly off arcane'

[stone cove]

Not only that, but Occult weapons if they come with inherent status, also scale that with arcane

so intially it seems like you loose bleed going on an occult weapon

but then it'll actually scale up very dramatically

this can be quite a big deal

[dusty kraken]

I have Occult Beast Claws that are murderous

[stone cove]

Sadly, STR beast calws are better >.>

because of bloodflame and motion values

it sucks 😦

[left willow]

Gotcha, thank you

[dusty kraken]

Yeah but I don't use bloodflame much 😛

[stone cove]

@left willow Here's the really dumb mind fucking bit.

Ash of War skills, regardless of what infusion you set them to, acutally have their own hineret scaling

Lighting type infusions will always scale with your dex.

Fire? str. FLame art? Faith. Cold/Magic: INt (i think)

[left willow]

Interesting, thank you

[stone cove]

This is horrible and ocnfusing and makes the whole system way more complicated and restrictive than it needs to be

[languid tiger]

some scale with your total AR, actually

[stone cove]

Oh yes! t here's that too!

it's not every weapon art, just some!

how do you tell which is which? GOOD QUESTION. NEXT QUESTION

[left willow]

Does anyone know what [Post Ensis Castle] ||Palm Blast|| naturally scales with?

[dusty kraken]

I hate that the game doesn't tell you so I have to go googling for this shit. XD

I think that just scales with Attack Power, being a physical one.

[stone cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F9-TyuIICw

this is probably more in depth that you want

[left willow]

And there's been so many people asking about the more basic info that my google-fu is catching the super basic questions, rather than the actual answers that I want

[stone cove]

but it does a very deep break down

[left willow]

Would Occult and then using Grease or an imbuement of some sort on ||Dry Leaf|| be a viable option?

[stone cove]

Nope.

Only Standard/Keen/Quality/HEavy can be greased or otherwise buffed.

[left willow]

Dang, sad

[stone cove]

Occult is parto f hte "Blood/Status" grouping, and thus not buffable

[left willow]

Gotcha

So probably Keen, level Dex and off hand a seal for some bonuses

[stone cove]

https://www.tarnished.dev/weapon-calculator

At 80 str (Soft cap):

Heavy Dryleaf arts have 417 AR with an A (1.48) scaling.

At 80 dex (Soft cap again), Keen Dryleaf Arts have 400 AR with E (0.23) STR and B (1.34) dex scaling.

At 60/60, Qualtiy Dryleaf artsget 431 AR, with B/B (1.16) scaling in STR/Dex.

So Heavy is the eaiest to get max AR out of, Keen is right behind that (17 ar isnt a lot, but it's not thing), and Quality trakes over the higher and higher level you get.

Using Wretch as a base - You're level 71 for 80 str or 80 dex. The equiv for Quality is 45/45, and that puts you at 382 AR.

[languid tiger]

if you end up doing any testing, i'd be interested in knowing if it scales with AR or physical stats

[stone cove]

IIRC, i belive palm blast is just raw AR

but it may be something more esoteric

Notably, Palm Blast scales with Godfrey Icon @left willow so if you really wanna set about maxing it...

[golden pond]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV2fzuneIDI|| - funny boss (early spoilers)

[left willow]

Early DLC or Early base?

[potent perch]

early dlc

[golden pond]

i don't think i've seen base game spoiler tagged here for ages

unless it linked to the DLC lore

[modest berry]

final boss|| would be so much better if phase two was at 25 percent or at least half 😭 ||

[golden pond]

||final boss would be so much better if it wasn't radahn||

did they patch dragonbarrow night's cavalry cheese :c

[modest berry]

||do two handd paired things count as two handed for the twohanded sword talisman like danes footwork||

[golden pond]

no

paired things don't count as 2 handed

[languid tiger]

nope

you have to be holding one thing in two hands, visually

nothing else will function

[stone cove]

Notablyu, this also means stuff like WIng Stance won't get the benefit from Two-hand talisman, because you stop two-handing the weapon in Wing Stance

[golden pond]

cameo time

[stone cove]

Or you could just put shard of alexander on <.<

[modest berry]

okay im doing a bit better with a guard counter greatspear with talismans and sekiro tear build

i accidently ancient somber stoned the serpent hunter 😭

[dusty kraken]

...oh, two hand talisman would work on my shield :3

[golden pond]

yes

it own't work on any ash that uses the shield one handed though, like discus hurl

[golden pond]

both

[modest berry]

not doing it with a shield im blocking with the greatspear and using the two handed talisman so its really dangerous if i mess it up lol

but im doing hella damage

it becomes, less effective in the second phase lol

maybe i should farm messmer soldier greatspear so i can put determination on it

or royal knights resolve i mean

[stone cove]

Well, i meant to strimity stram tonight

but instead i fell down a hole of making HDR work properly in Elden Ring

it took a while

[dusty kraken]

Yay, got the Dumbass Mage Staff for Sephia, so I can go heavier on quality and still do some blasting.

[stone cove]

Wooo!

That's the demi-human one, yeah?

[dusty kraken]

Yeah

[real shadow]

https://rjpalmerstore.com/products/basilisk-3d-mousepad?_pos=2&_sid=35d4ce318&_ss=r 40 bucks, but...

[frozen olive]

CURSE YOU BASILISK

[dusty kraken]

...god I wish the fucking invasion system didn't pair me up against the sweatiest motherfuckers.

I just want to get to Morg's house.

But if I invade someone they're always someone's super geared up alt.

[golden pond]

you don't have to win

I invaded and jumped off cliffs

[dusty kraken]

Yeah but I'd like to at least try genuinely.

[real shadow]

Invade, run up, and just drink the forever sleep potion as a power move.

[golden pond]

put them to perma sleep

and just leave

or go afk

[stone cove]

Igon killstole me 😠

I was gonna be all dramtic and use black blade to finsi hthe boss fight

and igon is all NOPE I CAST CHOMP

[frozen olive]

||CURSE YOU BAYLE, I HEREBY VOW YOU WILL RUE THIS DAY||

||I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE||

||WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS||

||WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING||

[golden pond]

he deserves it

also, fun fact

||bayle stil has Placidusax's heads on his back||

[obtuse halo]

Love doing this straight outta limgrave

Zero respect for commander o’neil. Get geysered

This was how i got my seed money on bow only - getting started is expensive for arrows and upgrades and it’s pretty hard to kill much of anything fairly with only a bow at that point, much less anything that actually makes you a profit

But it’s not a violation of the rules if some dunce follows me into the swamp like a will-o-the-wisp and dies

[stone cove]

Oh of course, bow only no way you're doing the greyoll

[obtuse halo]

Yeeeeah

[stone cove]

though you can trtick the 40k Night cav off the bridge.

[frozen olive]

TIL that if you tell Moore ||to be sad forever he just goes to one of his forager friends and lies down and dies 😭 ||

[obtuse halo]

I’ve never had much luck with that strat but that’s another option yeah

[obtuse halo]

😭

Yeah i did this on bow only save

[frozen olive]

i just did that in my og characters playthrough

and uh

fuck

fuuuuuuuuuck

https://tenor.com/view/slam-gif-25498566

[obtuse halo]

I feel guilty but ||I don’t wanna fight him with a bow||

[frozen olive]

||Moore is one of my favourite characters in the DLC and having to kill him on my first run was like a dagger artisinally carving my heart out of my chest still beating||

[obtuse halo]

Though apparently ||you can tell him “I don’t know” indefinitely and he’ll neither join Leda nor die, which makes him the sole survivor of the plot||

[frozen olive]

damn

||wish i'd known that 😭 ||

||CURSE YOU MICHAEL ZAKI||

[stone cove]

I find it pretty easy to execute tehse days!

and it's funny as hell wathcing this big ol scary Night Cav go "I HAVE MADE POOR LIFE CHOICES"

[languid tiger]

you just need it to not be within standard attack range to bait a jump, while standing on the other side of the bridge

and they'll just yeet

[real shadow]

Yeah it's very funny when he does that.

[golden pond]

tempted to do an enemy/boss/item randomizer

cause i think it'd be funny if fucking margit turned into mr final dlc boss

[obtuse halo]

we stan a completely undodgeable nuke in a tiny arena

[languid tiger]

parry it 4head

[golden pond]

CURSE YOU, MARGITTT

||fighting bayle in placi arena and placi in bayle arena||

[obtuse halo]

||the timeline where Bayle won the scuffle||

[obtuse halo]

maybe the funniest wiki note I've seen on a new item so far

[vestal night]

lmao

[obtuse halo]

https://x.com/miracide_/status/1805031798763561186

🦇 miracide 𓃵 (@miracide_) on X

in honor of the dlc, here are my elden ring crossovers in one thread:

Twitter · Jun 24, 2024, 12:14 AM

[modest berry]

i couldnt do it im weak, im a greatshield poker,,,

[obtuse halo]

no shame in that

I hear it's the best option for quite a few bosses lol

[golden pond]

only time you'll be shamed as an ER player is when you're shaming others for using tools provided

[obtuse halo]

^

yeah we shame people for being gatekeepers here

[old brook]

also thing's overtuned as hell

[golden pond]

just a bit

[obtuse halo]

oh which reminds me, I have a meme

[golden pond]

same with moons tbh

[old brook]

I love the moons but the fact they're a nuke and a huge debuff is crazy, makes the int requirement worth i spose

[golden pond]

yeah, it's the ranni moon specifically

[obtuse halo]

(CW: Lobotomy?)

[old brook]

but also ||buff Messmer's Orb||

[golden pond]

rennala moon is fine

cause it only gets the 10% shred and 10% buff from staff

[frozen olive]

why, it's already good

[golden pond]

ranni moon is the broken one

10% shred, 10% hat buff, 10% staff buff adn stacks frost for another 20%

that's not including any talismans

gets 30% just by existing

[old brook]

i thought it was more innate shred :|a at least y'gotta build for all that

[golden pond]

moons on their own have a 10% magic shred

ranni's moon also stacks cold on top of that 10%

for a 20%

it's dumb

same with teh sword, it has insane damge on R2

[old brook]

also i meant the boss was overtuned not the strat anyhow

but now i'm just learning moonstuff

[golden pond]

all the bosses are in some way overtuned to me

||i killed bayle using moons, mimic and igon at blessing 4||

[old brook]

I only had a problem with Ol' Lasty

[golden pond]

||I was doing like 2.5k damage a moon and it was doing big yellow chunks||

[old brook]

And something is cursed with ||Gauis' Charge|| but that seems more like a bug than anything

[golden pond]

||yeah, getting hti should be more damage than getting ran over||

||the fact that it's a strat to get hit instead of dodging cause it's like 1/3rd of the damage is dumb||

[modest berry]

i understand im lightly ribbing myself

[golden pond]

unrib yourself

[modest berry]

i have no shame in any tactic

[mellow silo]

Anyone willing to help me transfer a few items?

[golden pond]

+0 or +25

[mellow silo]

+0s, just for a new character

[golden pond]

churhch of elleh/

booting up rn

[mellow silo]

Code LANCER

[golden pond]

yup yup yup

[mellow silo]

Put down a Duelist sign, so nobody rudely interrupts

[golden pond]

Still don't have it

[mellow silo]

Oh dear

[golden pond]

never had a reason to go get one 😭

[mellow silo]

Guess we'll just have to risk an invade

[golden pond]

sign behind anvil

Motivated Incel is the name

BG iron mask

[obtuse halo]

I dunno if I'm going to actually build it but my brain is already assembling a build with carian sorcery sword and a greatshield to cast scholar's shield and poke without needing any weapon swaps just for the flex

[mellow silo]

That's it for the first stop

[golden pond]

i never saw taht anim lmao

mf Za Hando me outta there

[mellow silo]

Alright now second stop for the rest of the drip, weapons, and runes

[raw coral]

Milady so good

[golden pond]

real

[mellow silo]

Milady indeed good

That's what I'm using for this new character

[golden pond]

planning to use it for when i make a commander character

using only soldier ashes and mostly just being a support knight

[raw coral]

Love wing stance too as a big fan of square off

[golden pond]

square off is so good

with cameo and alex shard for 32% damage buff

[obtuse halo]

Yeah I did a whole run with square off and have kept that build for pvp

[golden pond]

add in 2 hander

[mellow silo]

I'll drop a Duelist Sign this time around

[golden pond]

big pp damage

[raw coral]

Also the immediate combo that came to mind when I saw the talisman that buffs you when your spirits die

[obtuse halo]

Noble's Straight Sword in one hand, Shamshir in the other

[raw coral]

Soldjars of Fortune

[golden pond]

steel fist

[mellow silo]

Down, same place you dropped your coop sign

[obtuse halo]

shamshir is just a great offhand weapon

[mellow silo]

Steel fist indeed

Although it's kinda a bad name tbh

[golden pond]

hardly a steel fist with a greatsword

what chest is that?

[raw coral]

I was maining shamshir before I reached the DLC and I agree

[golden pond]

BG helmet
quality milady
hand ballista
dryleaf robe
ronin's gauntlets
fuck militia boots
73 🅱️arika 🅱️uns

[mellow silo]

Yep

Now time for caveman

I'll drop a sign here too

Sign down

[golden pond]

weren't lying

it is a caveman

that's all methinks

[mellow silo]

Yep

Thanks a million

Speaking of a million... Let's crack those runes

[golden pond]

do i need to kill godrick to get to mohgwyn palace?

[mellow silo]

Nope

[golden pond]

cool, just need rose church right?

[mellow silo]

Just take the side path to liurnia

[golden pond]

sweet

[glossy delta]

Through the Varre shortcut, yes iirc
Or at least that's the simplest route

[golden pond]

time to speedrun commiting mass genocide

[glossy delta]

Don't forget you need to see the two fingers for Varre to offer his quest

[golden pond]

rah

[glossy delta]

Which requires two great runes

[golden pond]

so i do need to kill godrick

[mellow silo]

I was wrong 😭

I'm sorry

5,840,000 runes

Oh baby, we cookin

[golden pond]

also i'm pretty sure i just need to kill goddy

[glossy delta]

So Gidrick and Radahn is your best bet for getting in as quick as possible
Since you also need to kill radahn

[golden pond]

i only want to genocide albinaurics

dlc can wait

[glossy delta]

Oh I see

[mellow silo]

Casually gained 140 levels from that, lmao

[frozen olive]

had a funny little crossover moment playing DS3 Cinders mod

[golden pond]

power of god and anime

[frozen olive]

actually kinda sick ngl

i fuck w/ it

[golden pond]

it's for a vergil cosplay but i kinda fuck with this

[obtuse halo]

Haligtree death count: 2

It turns out the rot servants can oneshot me with pest threads

(I loaded up another save as a break from bow only and am taking on haligtree at level 100)

[golden pond]

god

can you imagine base game with scadutree fragments...

[obtuse halo]

Shockingly, no deaths to the mini rot swamp in the haligtree hollow

Aand, haligtree roots, no additional deaths

😌

Testament to the power of map familiarity

[tropic stream]

Literally the reason I’m keeping my Int at 41

[obtuse halo]

I will not be counting my deaths to Malenia though

Screw that

XD

I got to phase 2 on attempt 4 which is already a lot better than I expected, lmao

am I going to suffer through this today? probably not

repeating thrust on a bleed spear is actually pretty nice against her

(i normally have it occult infused but bleed is a good alternative for this particular fight)

[modest berry]

do summons have their resistences from life ? or unlife as the case may be. is spirit lhutel weak to holy or is it all neutral

[obtuse halo]

Generally no, I think; most easily tested with the man-serpent ashes and any enemy that deals fire damage

[golden pond]

agh, gotta run around everywhere and go find the weapon buff spells

[obtuse halo]

they're mostly not too bad, the majority of them are in Liurnia

and most of the ones that aren't in Liurnia suck ass 😛

[golden pond]

i need all the elements

[obtuse halo]

Yeah deadass it's all in Liurnia. Frozen Armament? Liurnia. Bloodflame Blade? Liurnia. Electrify? from a prayerbook in Liurnia.

the worthwhile exceptions are the holy one (roundtable hold, from D) and Scholar's Armament (Limgrave, from Sellen)

I guess Black Flame Blade, Poison Armament, and Unseen Weapon all...exist

Black Flame Blade is okay on paper but it really needs to last more than six seconds

[vestal night]

I forgot it was that short

[modest trellis]

Yeah black flame blade makes me so sad

[vestal night]

though it does at least use the drawstring animation

[frail sky]

I thought it was shorter

[obtuse halo]

yeah it's quick, but it's so short

[golden pond]

to be fair

Puts a 2 second damage over time effect on enemies struck while the buff is active. Dealing 20 damage plus 20 more for every 1000 HP the enemy has. This results in at least 2% of Max HP or more damage over time.

for anything with a shit ton of hp, it's based af if they don't have a good other weakness

[obtuse halo]

yeah, again, sounds great on paper

[glossy delta]

Yeah its in a tough spot where like
If it wasn't a huge pain in the dick it would heavily distort the Boss Fight Experience for builds that used it

[obtuse halo]

Poison Armament meanwhile is just sparkling poison grease and Unseen Weapon is very much a PvP tool

[modest trellis]

It's just that applying the buff will take up most of the opening for attacks

[obtuse halo]

though Unseen Weapon does have one of the funniest fashion interactions I've seen

[modest trellis]

So you have to be safe and preemptively apply it but not too early

[obtuse halo]

any other weapon buff overrides it so you can "summon" a brick hammer to your hand with Electrify Armament, for your mighty thor cosplay

[frail sky]

Unseen weapon stuff just makes me thing of that one ds2 invader with both invisible weapon rings and the aurous armor

[obtuse halo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/10j5uov/for_extra_style_points_prebuff_with_unseen_blade/

[golden pond]

leaden hardtear 😭

10s of most staggers

[obtuse halo]

(the holy buff also looks really cool with this)

[golden pond]

at least it's not vyke's dragonbolt

[obtuse halo]

oh I straight forgot about Vyke's Dragonbolt lmao

[golden pond]

only good part about it is that you can run a bigger set cause it buffs equip load by 15%

[frail sky]

Vyke’s Dragonbolt is one of the spells that exists

[obtuse halo]

buffs equip load by 15%...temporarily, and gets overridden by body buffs for good measure

XD

poison armament got buffed at some point so now it is in fact not strictly worse than poison grease.

It's still pretty bad tho

😔

[frozen olive]

that's fucking sick

[frozen olive]

Vykes dragonbolt voted one of the spells of all time

[glossy delta]

It would be sooooo cool if its benefit wasnt
Fucking
equip load??
Like I love the red lightning
Gimme more red lightning

Red Electrify Armament plus like phys negation would be cool, it'd be Sexy Golden Vow

[obtuse halo]

there's another red lightning buff in the dlc but it's very tuned to shield tank builds

since it's a defensive aura buff with the same numbers as golden vow but with no damage up and an additional effect that boosts shield performance instead

[glossy delta]

Yeah and it dont make your weapon all crackly 😔

[left willow]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPREV3qmS/

[obtuse halo]

Bow-only ||Bayle||! First try.

actually not too bad because the boss is designed in a way that makes headshots easy, so you actually do pretty good damage with a bow 😛

[golden pond]

igon gaming

yeah who knew

[frail sky]

How's Ansbach's bow treating you?

[obtuse halo]

Oh, it's easily the best bow in the game now, at least for direct fighting with

i'm actually seeing four digits now and then with the ash of war which is insane for a bow run

it chews through arrows but the damage is good, and when there's an opening there's an opening

and when not using the ash, it outperforms the blackbow handily

so yeah

it doesn't change the fundamental nature of bow-only but it's definitely a good goddamn bow

[golden pond]

i really fucking wish multi-shot thigns were more consistent

because having to guess if the shotgun move is gonna do insane damage with all projectiles or only 1 can hit is dum

LOOKING AT YOU KINDRED OF ROT, YOU BASTARD

[grave plinth]

Did you use ||A HAIL OF HARPOONS!||?

[obtuse halo]

small ones! 😛

[frozen olive]

ok

[obtuse halo]

||Actually I did pull out Radahn's Rain when I had an opening and it did quite a lot of damage, as can be expected on any boss this big||

[frozen olive]

i have almost assembled the Gael character

just need some uh, bolts

[obtuse halo]

lol

[frail sky]

How often are you able to use greatbows anyway?

[obtuse halo]

highly recommend farming runes over mats where possible

[obtuse halo]

They're good for sniping your way through areas and their damage is solid, but they're pretty awkward to use in a boss fight; you can whip them out for openings but the openings are narrow.

[frozen olive]

i'm going with the burred bolts and flaming bolts

cause i can just buy them in bulk

[obtuse halo]

Burred bolts are a good choice, yeah.

[frozen olive]

cheap and cheerful

[obtuse halo]

Unlike arrows, you can actually just buy bleed bolts

it's nice

(okay you can "buy" bleed arrows via buying bloodrose and bones but it's a bit more work)

[frozen olive]

decided i'm going to just mainhand the crossbow and swap between it and the marais sword

it just makes more sense and works better

[obtuse halo]

as a funny sidenote, I've raised END enough purely for stamina despite my very light loadout that I've shrugged and thrown Radahn's Greatbow into my second equip slot

[frozen olive]

lmao nice

it is a cool ass bow

[obtuse halo]

It's way easier to hardswap to greatarrows than it is to hardswap in a whole-ass bow and also greatarrows.

[frozen olive]

holy shit uncharged ||messmer orb|| is quick

[obtuse halo]

yeah uncharged is the better way to use that spell

[obtuse halo]

Though also I may have to compare and contrast ||Igon's Greatbow|| now that I have it

Because the latter is infusable!

[frozen olive]

using it in place of one of Gaels moves where he launches himself into the air and stabs into the ground which is accompanied by an explosion in phase 2

[obtuse halo]

probably still with rain of arrows, but it's neat to have options

[frozen olive]

apparently the ||bone bow|| is really good according to my friend

||it has a homing version of barrage from what he said||

[obtuse halo]

oh interesting

I kind of ignored it because the damage looked bad

||Homing|| arrows sound like they have a lot of potential use!

I wonder if it's worth upgrading for a certain fight I've been stuck on...

[frozen olive]

i've seen my friend do some absolute shit with it

would recommend

[obtuse halo]

having thrown it into a calculator, it looks like it has overwhelming str scaling while the lion greatbow is actually a quality weapon, so lion greatbow is going to beat it out for the forseeable future due to my high dex

the more you know

[frozen olive]

yeah ||igon's bow is pretty cool||

ok here's the Gael build

spells spoilered cause i'm using a DLC one

[golden pond]

finally god rid of the collar
oh yeah, it's ocming together

[frozen olive]

What, still there? Hand it over. That thing, your Elden ring. For my Lady's painting...

invade
one person with beast claws, one person spamming frenzy snipe, one person with poison bottles doing thiollier cosplay
die instantly
mfw

[umbral portal]

Lmao

[frozen olive]

appear in full Gael cosplay looking for a fun encounter

they were suffice to say, not interested

also the poison bottles still do absurd damage, fun to see, i got burst down so fucking fast there was absolutely nothing i could have done to survive

[golden pond]

invade

3 people with pumpkin heads running greatswords

immediately ganked

like ok man

[obtuse halo]

yeah that's the elden ring invasion meta in a nutshell

[golden pond]

meta this, meta that

go meet a girl

[obtuse halo]

lmao

[frozen olive]

we clearly had very different priorities

they wanted to cheese whatever they were doing down in uh

checks notes

siofra river?

[golden pond]

chasign a guy

he's literally ust waiting for hte 2 summons to arrive beore he does anything

bro grow upppp

[frozen olive]

they were in some kind of underground tunnels

[obtuse halo]

Siofra River invasions are always fucked lmao

I absolutely murdered a gank squad there once, just because i got lucky and they forgot to clear the crucible knights first

[golden pond]

god people are such cowards

[frozen olive]

honestly my experience with pvp stuff in ER has just not been that fun

people be out here with the sweatiest loadouts imaginable

[golden pond]

cause outside of colloseum, there's 0 chance for a good 1v1

[frozen olive]

why are you as a trio loaded up for super cheese damage that is especially effective in pvp while you are exploring siofra

[golden pond]

i h ave a better question

how fucking bad are you at the game taht you need 2 summons for a gael tunnel or selia crystal tunnel#

[frail sky]

I think unless the host uses the taunting finger you are unable to invade someone that hasn't summoned

[golden pond]

really should just bring back embers from ds3

[glossy delta]

Guys
Go play in the colosseums
If you invade you are more or less consenting to get ganked by people who do nothing but gank invaders 😛

[golden pond]

it's no fun to be in a circle arena

[frozen olive]

the colosseum is also not that fun tbh

i've tried it

[glossy delta]

You can use spirit ashes!!!

[frozen olive]

i met mostly people with way meta builds and got stomped cause i was doing funny cosplay builds

[golden pond]

part of hte fun of open world invading is that the people are not built for pvp most of the time

and you can run funny shit cause of it

[frozen olive]

yeah

which has not been the case when i have been invading recently at all

last time i invaded i met 4 people with ranni hats who started by having one of them engage me, one of them pulling terra magica, and the rest doing some other magic shit

[golden pond]

the messages warned me about this

[frail sky]

…why am I starting up a new playthrough instead of finishing the dlc

[stone cove]

Because new playthroughs are fun

[stone cove]

They may just be having fun with friends?

Also like do not underestimate how bad people can be at games, there's nothing wrong with them getting help if they're bad

[golden pond]

go play seamless

[stone cove]

They may not want to mod the game, they may not have the tech knowledge, they may not even be on PC.

[median rock]

if you're landing at a fog gate w people they're just having fun in their own way imo, nothing wrong with that

if you're landing in a normal area with 2 people there decent odds they're just ganking but like. u gotta accept that lol. cheese them back or just don't bother

[tropic stream]

I remember one time someone here was helping me mule

I had the gear I was muling equipped so I dropped it on the floor and I was naked

And then we got invaded lmao

[obtuse halo]

(Final Dungeon, Penultimate Fight) Holy shit, I did it

[signal harness]

||https://x.com/vordb/status/1809495764575400010?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ||

[frozen olive]

big W

[obtuse halo]

anyway now to get turned inside fucking out by the final boss

[frozen olive]

could you spoiler? there are still people going through the dlc active in the chat

[signal harness]

I can (I haven’t gotten here tbf - this guy is just all over the internet)

[frozen olive]

i wish you the very best of luck

[frozen olive]

thank you very much

[obtuse halo]

So. This...might not be winnable, without a real plan. Giant boss HP bar strikes again

[frozen olive]

||50k healthbar moment||

||you're going to want to mainline status procs like they are drugs||

[obtuse halo]

yeah, this is just my experimentation phase where I test with regular arrows cuz they're cheap to replace

[frozen olive]

fair

[obtuse halo]

bleed arrows at a minimum is probably what I should be using, and probably poison or even rot too

[frozen olive]

i would strongly rec rot and bleed

[obtuse halo]

well, the problem with rot arrows is they're a limited resource

short of farming lake of rot basilisks at an 8% drop rate (i do not want to do this)

[frozen olive]

oh wow

that fucking blows

any dot you can get even if it isn't rot will be huge

[obtuse halo]

poison arrows meanwhile can be bought in bulk directly from the Isolated Merchant in Dragonbarrow.

[frozen olive]

enormous healthbar means enormous total damage from shit like rot that keeps ticking slowly

[real shadow]

Whoever said shield + spear for the final boss: you da MVP

It only took me an hour and a half.

[frozen olive]

shield is a powerful tool

good drip also

[real shadow]

He's still way overtuned and legit was...mostly unfun! I do not like sitting there waiting for combos to end.

[obtuse halo]

I quite enjoy phase 1

[frozen olive]

it's good

[old brook]

Also seems to reset status effects on phase transition

[obtuse halo]

Phase 1 is extremely fair and a good fight. Phase 2 is rather obnoxious though

[frozen olive]

yup

[real shadow]

Phase 2 can go gargle on clipped toenails.

[obtuse halo]

Yeah any status ends on phase transition

[old brook]

Good thing there's so many windows for a second scarlet aeonia

[obtuse halo]

Lol

[old brook]

||though actually if he grabs an NPC or summon you do get one||

||but the debuff -does- work on the mimic||

also chances are he'll whip around 180 and smack ya regardless Aeonia takes SO LONG before you can move

it's making me appreciate ||Messmer Orb|| that thing is snappy

[obtuse halo]

Sadly mimic is useless in bow-only because it is not good at using its brain

[frozen olive]

Mimic is very stupid

[old brook]

NPCs so good at dodging us

and yet

Just read your own input, Computer, you are the one doing it

[obtuse halo]

It will not attempt to use jumping or rolling shots, and frequently it won’t even use the bow, it’ll swap to misericorde and bumrush

[mellow silo]

Learning the power of Milady on this new character, I'm in love

Extremely cool weapon

[old brook]

Every new weapon type is really cool and they all seem like.. totally workable

I was worried punchkicking would be undertuned but it can get stuff done

[mellow silo]

Throwing Daggers I'm not sure on

Everything else seems real cool

[glossy delta]

Throwing Daggers are like, servicable if a little underpowered with some Truly Fiendish weapon arts

Scattershot Throw is Fucked Up

[atomic marsh]

How is Milady

[glossy delta]

Its pretty good! I consider it basically a cooler Longsword

[mellow silo]

God why are those spiky flesh slugs so ridiculously tanky

[proven horizon]

I think fire does a lot of damage to them, they've got really high physical resists though

[median rock]

they hardcore resist phys but are generally weak to certain elements. fire especially

lol nice timing

[proven horizon]

[median rock]

I had good results w carian slicer sometimes

[nova smelt]

i run it with carian sovreignty on an INT build and it shreds

[real shadow]

https://vxtwitter.com/miss_chalice/status/1809710870965989506?s=46&t=2TAq-bmW7vabKj6xLeOfnA

[stone cove]

Incredibly good.

Does very well Quality, Cold, Blood, but can work with a bunch of options

[nova smelt]

||cannot believe that fromsoft made an npc gank fight thats peak fiction||

[stone cove]

@nova smelt Spoilers for people who aint completed the dlc please!

I have, butwe still have people going through it in here

[nova smelt]

gotcha

sorry

[frail sky]

||Depending on your choices it isn’t even a gank 😌||

[stone cove]

It is a wonderful piece of narrative payoff though

[real shadow]

https://fixupx.com/Chazostatue/status/1808971899738993005

[frail sky]

Why in the dlc spoilers thread?

[real shadow]

It's kinda the ER general room (and also it was the tab I had opened, so)

[nova smelt]

can i say transition goal

[obtuse halo]

God that item description is so funny

You can’t crit with ranged weapons and can only crit with your main hand weapon, so the input sequence here is apparently to get a stance break, swap to a ranged weapon, roll 5 times, swap back to a melee weapon, crit

[frail sky]

Alternatively doing that and then parrying into a crit

[grave plinth]

“Ah Zanzibart, was this truly what you wanted?”

[vivid spire]

HAHAHA

[left willow]

Dangerous, magical, able to go wherever I want? Count me in

[paper badge]

found out that the author of the original 'zanzibart forgive me' tweet was a fucking Borderlands writer

which, like

i dont feel like someone like that should be talking like they're an authority on good writing in video games

[obtuse halo]

I mean, it was also a bit

[frozen olive]

Funny bit

[obtuse halo]

And may or may not have been a genuine compliment? It was phrased as one

[trail sail]

Fun fact: you can make light of things you love

[grave plinth]

Yeah Borderlands 2 did an affectionate parody of Dark Souls

[paper badge]

I have a personal disdain for borderlands because of my friends from high school

they thought that Krieg the Psycho character's 'random' voice lines were so funny that they'd just like. shout that shit in public.

and it made me wanna die any time they did it while we were hanging out somewhere

[stone cove]

I mean, i have a disdain for borderlands because it's just a bad game 😄

[raw coral]

Holy shit I locked the fuck in for ||rellana||

||died like 3 or 4 times, swapped to my Milady and just started deflecting her combo finishers and guard countering once I’d gotten familiar||

||guard broke her 3 times and the fight was over just like that||

god Sekiro was so fun

[stone cove]

Shocking news, crazy old man murdered by bear

@raw coral Very nice!

[raw coral]

I love changing my equipment to better suit specific challenges!!

[stone cove]

Milady is such a great weapon

have you unlocked the Defelecting Hard Tear yet?

it gives you Sekiro style blocks

[raw coral]

Yup, that’s what I was doing lol

[stone cove]

I dont use it mainly becuase i forget it is something i can do when i have it equopped so i just end up changing it to something better suited

But also because it's not quite my style

Anyway, Midra's Mane boss ||I had a much better time this time around. i think last time i was just tilted and kept being titled. i still ate a lot of hits and had to try several times here, but i got the groove and murked him good eventually||

[languid tiger]

yeah, i think it's a pretty fair fight

just gotta get into a rhythm

[modest berry]

id say its in the running for my fav in the dlc honestly

[median rock]

its easily my dlc fave, i think. behind messmer

aesthetically it's a huge win

[modest berry]

||i wish you could buy a glowing ball hea and his flowing yellow robes at the boss gear finger reader||

[left willow]

Are things like the names [Post Ensis Spoilers?] ||"Carrian Sorcerery Sword" or "Dry Leaf Arts"|| considered something people should/want spoilered?

Specifically for non-npc-named items

[fleet bronze]

Naw, I don't think so at this point. Especially because that without context they don't really mean much

[glossy delta]

I think Equipment is broadly fine
Bosses and story is the big stuff I'd say

[atomic marsh]

Unless the equipment specifically has a boss name in it

I think you're fine

[stone cove]

I'd absoloteuy spoiler the final boss reward stuff still

and probably still would for a couple of months

stuff like Messmer's Orb is probably okay to mention

[old brook]

Messmer's Orb sounds like a fake thing

[dusty kraken]

Well, this statline is a bloody mess (My Carian Thrusting Shield character has finally got a non-terrible vigor for her level)

[stone cove]

Doing some more chill elden ring optimizer streaming - Currently in Limgrave!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a92haxphkz0

[median rock]

deflecting hardtear is actually addicting after a while

it's genuinely super fun with a two-handed weapon (using a boss rememberance greatspear)

[fleet bronze]

I wish it had been a talisman, but maybe having it on at all times would have been too much

[left willow]

What does the Deflecting Hardtear do?

[gray leaf]

Deflecting Hardtear makes it so you get increased guard boost immediately after you start guarding, and strengthens counterattacks made in response to blocking then.

And it is a bit weird that it basically enables... maybe not a full playstyle, but at least something resembling one... but is entirely attached to a single item which provides a temporary buff. Maybe if in addition to it, there was some talisman that triggered on spontaneous blocks?

[median rock]

yeah, though the duration being 5 minutes (!) honestly makes that a bit of a non-issue

you're not going to use it much against fodder enemies and that should be plenty of time for pretty much every single boss fight bar maybe radagon into elden beast

[golden pond]

Curved sword talisman my beloved

[gray leaf]

Yeah, but it'd be nice if you could use that playstyle against... not fodder per se, but non-boss enemies which are somewhyat tough.

[median rock]

but yeah, i'm running it rihgt now with ||two handed sword|| talisman + curved sword talisman + turtle talisman + dragoncrest greatshield

[golden pond]

Would be cool if there was a weapon that can do it

[median rock]

just a generic all around good guard counter build

i don't disagree it would have probably been easier to use/simpler as talisman though

[dusty kraken]

Oh right, I should get the turtle talisman for my shield fighter

[median rock]

(but yeah... if so, would need a major damage reduction. it makes certain enemies VERY free)

the soldier camp w carriages right at the start of altus has the guard boost talisman, if you've got dectus yet

[dusty kraken]

Not yet at Altus.

[gray leaf]

I think there should be a talisman which does something on spontaneous guards, independently of the deflecting hardtear.

[median rock]

yeah, though the issue is "more damage on guard counter" would probably be too insane (i'm dealing around 4x as much damage as a normal uncharged r2 using spear of the impaler, when it's a guard counter w/ guard counter talisman + deflecting hardtear active)

i think "increase guard boost by a good margin" would probably be better since i do find that i'm somewhat low-ish on stamina a lot, even with ||double turtle talisman||. 35 end

[gray leaf]

Well, it depends how much more. But it could also just be something like reducing the stamina drained from spontaneous guards. Or even have it be something weird like "spontaneous guards restore FP" or something.

[median rock]

i've also got a new appreciation for certain spacings, like how you basically can't guard counter any of the black blade kindred - just doesn't work. you don't have the range for it, their feet are too far from their weapon hitboxes. dragons are the same more or less

yeah guard boost == stamina lost. restore fp seems interesting though

[gray leaf]

Just... a second thing which cares about spontaneous guards.

...you know what I lowkey expected to get, and still feel like its absence is slightly weird? A dagger with Golden Parry (or any alternate parry skill).

I can't wait for people to try out the Carian Spellcasting Sword (or whatever its name is) since it's a ||thrusting sword which is also a sorcery catalyst and apparently the strongest one at exactly 41 int|| and you could do a lot of annoying/fun stuff with that.

including comboing it with the Main-Gauche. I would say "just use utility magic" but it has int scaling anyway so probably you wouldn't mind some attacks? I was just thinking about stuff like Thops' Barrier or the all-new Miriam's Displacement.

[golden pond]

||it's any spell, including incant iirc||

[gray leaf]

||Really? I was fairly sure it was just sorceries.||

[golden pond]

Ah nvm, must've misread somewhere

[median rock]

no, tha'ts a different item lynn

[golden pond]

Oh the staff, ye

[languid tiger]

carian sorcery sword

[gray leaf]

Miriam's Displacement takes like 36 int IIRC? Which makes sense, since you wouldn't want it to be too splashable, but at the same time that's kind of unfortunate.

...I wonder if that's the highest stat requirement on any spell that doesn't have any form of scaling.

[median rock]

it seemed to suck in pve resoundinly when i tried it

[golden pond]

I have no idea what spell you're talking about

[languid tiger]

26

[golden pond]

Miriam's Vanishing?

[median rock]

miriam's vanishing, yeah

[gray leaf]

Yes.

[languid tiger]

also, there's absolutely a higher-req spell with no scaling

[median rock]

it seems to be really awkward to me because the mental overhead of swapping to it + having fp to cast it + having a slightly different timing than medium or light roll fucks with me

[languid tiger]

||Minor Erdtree needs 70 fth||

[median rock]

i think its probably really clutch for dodging large aoe attacks though, like maybe dodging radahn's comet phase transition in place? not sure

[languid tiger]

yeah vanishing probably needs a buff

[golden pond]

God its so short range lmaooo

[median rock]

idk it might also secretly be really good if there's a trick to it i'm missing

[languid tiger]

either to cast speed or move distance

[median rock]

yeah its not really a teleport like it pretends it's a roll

[median rock]

||theres no way that one isn't supposed to charge or something||

||it feels so small compared to melina's usage in the morgott fight||

[median rock]

cast speed felt fine. i feel like more active frames, potentially for more fp, would be fine

[languid tiger]

more active frames would make sense

[languid tiger]

and yeah, i also want a buff to it

[gray leaf]

I feel like the devs sometimes overestimate information-based stuff? Like... stuff that obscures vision or movement, which is never quite as good as the devs want it to be outside of cheese.

[median rock]

i think a lot of the time they're unclear how it's actually going to play in both pve & pvp

theres a bunch of things that are mediocre to bad in one but really insane in the other (blasphemous blade vs swift slash)

[gray leaf]

It's a good thing they started numerically balancing things differently.

[median rock]

and theres definitely a lot of utility things that its super unclear

like unseen form spell vs assassin's approach incant vs assasin's gambit aow vs crepus vial talisman vs soft cotton consumable

like in total i see people using crepus vial & assassin's gambit a lot over the other 2 by a LARGE margin

[gray leaf]

There's a weapon (which will remain unnamed for spoiler purposes) with a weapon art that can ||clear buffs|| and I just can't help but think "wow, that would have been extremely good in PvP!" (note: this is all secondhand stuff)

[median rock]

even tho u can get assassin's approach once u have roundtable, and it has 10 faith req (unseen form is an annoying puzzle in altus so eh)

[median rock]

which one?

i missed that part of the description i think

[gray leaf]

||the needle sword|| (even that much is kind of a spoiler)

[median rock]

i mean its spoiler tagged

if people click on it they click on it

[gray leaf]

yeah

[median rock]

but huh didnt know that aow did that

i see it now on fextra

i'm very curious how that works out in pvp. i don't pvp, but it'll be really neat if its used

[gray leaf]

That screams PvP tool, but I feel like they successfully balanced the buffs to be less powerful in PvP? Most buffs have 50% effectiveness or less against other players because they used to be so ubiquitous.

[median rock]

theres still some bangers in pvp

flame grant me strength is still 15%?

down from 20%

and i think physicks are listed as buffs as well though it'd require some testing to see if those are cleared

[gray leaf]

Arena duels are an odd beast, in terms of what they do and don't allow as opposed to "fight club" invasion summons. It's nice to have actual matchmaking rather than just a random staircase to leave summon signs on, but nevertheless it's... a bit odd. In invasions it might be more useful?

[golden pond]

black knife armor c:

[gray leaf]

I'm still curious how much of that works against ||the winter lanterns||. I really, really hope the answer is "all of it".

Honestly, everything about that entire area is just... underutilized. And honestly, it feels kind of out-of-place in the DLC in general, though I suppose the DLC already has multiple unrelated questlines so it's not that jarring.

[median rock]

true! but that one is at the entire opposite end of the game, so I get why people don't use that

[median rock]

yeah anything that blocks footsteps helps. they have normal AI

I used unseen form, crepus, and soft cotton at different times

it was honestly my fave area though so. /shrug

[gray leaf]

okay, good. If that wasn't the case, I'd be very disappointed. (It always sucks when ||video games have stealth segments which then require you to play red light green light and ignore any actual stealth-related tools or mechanics that might exist||.)

Honestly the area seemed fine from what I saw, just... underutilized. Not enough stuff in it.

[golden pond]

||i just ran past||

||or you can just parry them||

[median rock]

I thought the atmosphere was perfect for what it was, and that more enemies in there would be kinda meh

I do think itd be nice if there was something ||BELOW the manse (as in south)|| since that seems inaccessible

but I think adding more shit to the wandering section would defeat the point of the whole stealth minigame, which I enjoyed

[gray leaf]

Not more enemies, but more... stuff to find? Places to go to? There's multiple sites of grace, but only one that actually has anything important to interact with, as far as I could tell.

[median rock]

eh, i just think it works well as a mostly empty horror maze like area personally. its not like snowfields where its just annoying to run in a straight line forever

actually, one thing - itd be nice to have infinite copies of the madness related crafting materials from there

since they're one of the more annoying sets of mats to farm. but that's not remotely unique to them, soooo

lol

arteria leaves...

[golden pond]

i wish that area felt more dead

it feels boring, not dead

[gray leaf]

Just... imagine if there was something at ||the Divided Falls|| besides ||a single cookbook with a single recipe||. Or something more to find/do at the other point of grace there.

[languid tiger]

i want ||the cookbook to be in the water itself and a bait for a massive fall into an even deeper frenzy-soup part of the area||

[gray leaf]

I've heard people suggesting ||a frenzy dragon|| and I can't tell if that'd be a wonderful idea, or a terrible one.

[languid tiger]

eh, there are enough dragons

really don't need many more

[left willow]

I don't love fighting dragons, tbh :/

[golden pond]

||i'd love a frenzy dragon incant||

[median rock]

bring back more bosses that are just 20 dudes in a room but only 1 has a healthbar

that new dlc one was not enough

[golden pond]

what was the dlc one lmao

[median rock]

frenzied royal rat authority

[languid tiger]

bring back prowling magus and congregation, but when you kill the first one the rest all pull out guns and start shooting you

[median rock]

ah yes the isshin special

[golden pond]

unironicaly what i thought the mansion fight was gonna be

[median rock]

lamenters gaol boss

[golden pond]

oh sick

i wasn't tehre yet

something to blast with 1 moon for a win

becasue god forbid i wanna use any other build

||still mad i killed finger mommy in like 20s||

[atomic marsh]

Add a fucking Armored Core boss in there

[left willow]

Ah, the Rennala special

[atomic marsh]

no explaination

[golden pond]

that's not rennala

killing the students doesn't damage rennala

it's closer to godskin duo c:

[left willow]

I guess, yeah

[golden pond]

i have yet to find a fight i properly vibe with

one that i truly enjoyed

[left willow]

I'd debate this: While it doesn't reduce her health bar, it totally does "damage" imo

[golden pond]

yeah but you can't win by killing all the students

lmao

[left willow]

Ah, true

[golden pond]

that's an explicit requirement for a mob boss

[left willow]

Oh, I misunderstood the initial promt

[golden pond]

deacons of the deep if you played ds3

[gray leaf]

Isn't ||the reveler|| kind of like that?

[languid tiger]

the what

[golden pond]

the what

[median rock]

isnt that like

the opposite of his name

||lamenter||

but yes that's the closest one and it's one attack from a new DLC minor boss

[golden pond]

😭

[left willow]

I understood "20 guys but only 1 has an HP bar" to be there's a lot of similar guys, but only one does damage to the boss when hurt

[golden pond]

either taht or like the ds2/1 versions

[languid tiger]

oh, they were talking about the ds3 one

[gray leaf]

||it's the opposite of his name, but it's also related to his drop, and I guess that confused me||

[languid tiger]

i see

[golden pond]

where it's a group with 1 hp bar and a guy with another

[left willow]

Rather than "20 guys and they all need to die to get through the boss"

[median rock]

I specifically want royal rat vanguard back

which was 20 rats in a room

[languid tiger]

ahhhh

shit, i forgot about royal rat vanguard

someone mentioned royal rat authority

[golden pond]

RATS

[median rock]

one has a small mohawk and the only one w a boss hp bar

[golden pond]

RATS

WEEEE'RE THE RATS

[languid tiger]

and i was like "yep that's the rat boss"

[median rock]

yeah I mistyped

[left willow]

RATS

[median rock]

rat authority was the big rats

[languid tiger]

completely forgetting the vanguard in the grave of saints

[median rock]

vanguard is literally just a cramped room with more rats than anybody ever wanted and its peak

[golden pond]

wish granted

next boss is dogs and birds

c:

[median rock]

it's so fuckign funny on a blind playthrough

no it has to be something annoying but not that lethal

bats would be fine

[golden pond]

slugs

slug boss

[median rock]

yeah slugs would work too

[golden pond]

god forbid you're a slashing damage build

[median rock]

possibly also some of the non poison plants

[golden pond]

miranda bois with hte light?

[median rock]

like thr magic plants or smth

yeah the ones that arent stock

[golden pond]

unironically, more dangerous that the poison ones

[median rock]

well yeah the poison ones cant do shit once ur poisoned

but glintstone stars is forever

[golden pond]

oh you meant those

[left willow]

The poison ones as a boss fight would be so annoying T^T

[median rock]

yeah

[golden pond]

i thought you meant the light ones

with the beams

[languid tiger]

elden stars plant

[median rock]

the magic ones u find in like gatetown

no they all do light beans

beams

like the large guys can all do it

but theres a couple spots where you find yellow or blue mirandas

blue in academy gatetown

and yellow in a lake in SW altus near Garry's cave

theres also rot ones and frenzy ones iirc. I think yellow in altus are just deadly poison

[languid tiger]

the rot ones are probably something everyone stumbles across in their first blind run

because of the sellia trap

[median rock]

I like the frenzy ones also bc they explode when lit on fire

I dont think I've ever killed one probably

they're so pointless to kill if u dont have to run through them

one = rot miranda specifically

yeah actually some frenzy mirandas would be fun in the manse swamps

I also wish we could harvest or get a weapon off of the alerting flowers down there

like let me have a jangly wep from them

[left willow]

give me a shakujō so I can make nice jangles while firing spells

[golden pond]

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Envoy's+Long+Horn

[left willow]

Doot doot: Bubble time

[stone cove]

i have ltierally brute forced with parries both times os far XD

[obtuse halo]

lol I just spammed ||Unseen Form|| and waltzed through

in principle ||mimic veil|| probably works too though I haven't tested

[stone cove]

I mean, sure

but

REVENGE

[obtuse halo]

For a fun vibey alternative, you could probably also try using ||The Lamenting Visage from Lamenter's Gaol||, which has a WA that makes you invisible and only requires Str 9 (and nothing else)

[stone cove]

Yes

but have you considered brute force parying

[obtuse halo]

i'm garbage at parrying, so no 😛

[languid tiger]

i wouldn't call parrying brute force

it's an intended method, just like

it wants you to be spooked and in suspense, and then figure out that you can fight on your own terms

[stone cove]

You havent wathced me do it

fail to parry repelatedly

and repeat until i have parried every single one to death

[languid tiger]

oh

i took two tries on the first and then got it down, their timing was pretty generous

[stone cove]

We discused this before, i tend to fire iut slightly too early or slightly too late

my brain is just Like THat 😛

Ce'la vi.

[languid tiger]

ahh

unfort

[frozen olive]

welp

Ongbal officially pulled out the skill diff

(Final boss spoilers)||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTaKyI2evE||

@obtuse halo don't quite remember if you're on the final dlc boss yet but if you are this might be something for the bow run

[obtuse halo]

Noooooo

😭

[frozen olive]

Ongbal really built like that huh

[languid tiger]

what a fucking beautiful run

genuine master class of positioning right there

[frozen olive]

yeah

Ongbal already had like, 3 no-hit runs before this one

[languid tiger]

i also wasn't aware that that was how you dodged the ||lightspeed multi-swing attacks||

[frozen olive]

one of which was rl1 with no scadu blessing

[languid tiger]

damn

that sounds like it took fucking forever

if it was glitchless

20 minute fight or some shit

[frozen olive]

(final boss spoiler)||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeBOIYnVq54||

this is the RL1 no blessing zero hit run

[languid tiger]

256

somehow still only 7 minutes

[obtuse halo]

rot and frost arrows

End me

[languid tiger]

have fun farming fallen hawk soldiers

forever

are those rotbone arrows, by the way, or is there a "real" version somewhere?

i think it's just rotbone

[frozen olive]

looks like rotbone

[obtuse halo]

Rotbone, yeah

There are “real” rot bolts but those are actually limited (short of duping)

[frozen olive]

which i maintain is wacky as hell

idk who decided limited consumable ammo was going to be a thing but that's wack

[languid tiger]

oh, i know blackkeys exist

but i didn't think there was a real arrow

[obtuse halo]

Yeah there isn’t

It’s just rotbone

Well the good news for me is i’m not trying to RL1 or no-hit this fight

[frozen olive]

yeah

[obtuse halo]

But still @.@

[frozen olive]

Ongbal moment

[stone cove]

Maybe bleed bolts?

Rotbone is nice and all, but FB has a bleed weakness apeprntly

[obtuse halo]

Yeah bleed arrows are my go-to for big healthbars

[frozen olive]

extremely fair

[obtuse halo]

It’s a major reason I was able to beat Mohg and Malenia but still haven’t managed Radagon

Well, sort of. I’ve managed radagon a couple of times but never with enough resources left over for EB

[languid tiger]

man

this makes me want to do a bow run

[obtuse halo]

as someone who has suffered through it, it's definitely still a challenge run and you will go insane restocking arrows every several attempts and occasionally redoing a whole dungeon because you ran out on the boss and had to leave

at the same time, it's interesting and I've had some real surprises with it! For example, bow-only is the easiest time I've ever had with the Bell Bearing Hunter

[languid tiger]

damn

oh, I love the bell bearing hunters, because they're always like

a warm up for my run's parrying

[obtuse halo]

yeah bbh with a bow is funny because like. You can just outrange him

he's slow and while he has his fancy sith lord powers to swing at midrange, that's still only a swing at midrange

and your range is a lot better than mid

[kind garden]

mid range? I'd be angry too if my range was mid

[obtuse halo]

you can just kind of cherrytap him to death and there isn't a lot he can do about it

When I did the caelid bbh bow-only, I died exactly once, and it wasn't because he touched me: I just accidentally rolled off the cliff.

[languid tiger]

honestly i'd probably be like

still parrying in melee

and just shooting after

i really like parrying elemer lmao

[obtuse halo]

the caelid bbh isn't actually very necessary itself, I just killed him because the Isolated Merchant is really useful for bow-only and I want him to be around to buy from if I happen to fast travel in at night

(isolated merchant sells infinite serpent arrows for poison procs, and also sells regular arrows which lots of people do but you can fill up on both at once that way)

[languid tiger]

believe me, i know

dragonbarrow merchant is like

[obtuse halo]

the merchant near Astray from North Caelid Highway also sells infinite Fire Arrows, so Caelid is good stuff for archers

[languid tiger]

my #1 frequented store by a landslide

[obtuse halo]

lol

the other important merchant is Imprisoned Merchant at Moghwyn Dynasty but that one I resorted to killing because fuuuuck making that trip to stock up

[languid tiger]

every run goes there for the ritual pot, the elemer invasion, and usually serpent arrows

[obtuse halo]

but infinite bloodrose and dwelling arrows is notable

I wish he sold spiritflame arrows instead but can't have everything

The Hermit Merchant in Capital Outskirts sells infinite Golden Arrows too, which is much more niche than status arrows but nice to have on tap for places like Farum Azula and for Deathbirds

I actually stocked up on them during the DLC for PK

there is one small mercy for using a bow on the DLC final boss: ||pierce is one of his lowest resistances and he doesn't do anything to avoid shots like radagon or some of the smaller wiggly bosses a la PK/Romina||

it's mostly just the giant healthbar to contend with

well, and the attacks but on my best exploratory attempt I managed to loose every single one of my 99 arrows without dying so in principle if I can have an ammo loadout that kills the crab, it's doable

[stone cove]

FFS

after going throguh a bunch of effort to get HDR working properly last night

elden ring has crashed to desktop for no specific reason

and turning HDR on is back to making everythign wash out

because ????

From, fix your fucking shit

no "Your mosue program might be causing issues" is not an accetpable answer.

[obtuse halo]

i'm also realizing that I could probably just bring a few hefty rot pots to get scarlet rot rolling

the materials are much less of a pain in the ass than Aeonian Butterflies

[languid tiger]

HDR?

[obtuse halo]

Oh, that Ongbal video isn't doing the bow only boss kill at RL1, I misunderstood

in retrospect that should have been obvious, the bow requires 42 dex

I feel...slightly less flexed on

still flexed on, but not as hard 😛

[frozen olive]

yeah

[languid tiger]

43 i think

[obtuse halo]

more than the 20ish RL1 functionally caps out at 😛

[frozen olive]

yeah

[languid tiger]

right

[obtuse halo]

(well, you could go higher with temp buffs but those don't seem to be in play)

[languid tiger]

actually shit

you can get a solid chunk higher with the dlc, can't you?

[obtuse halo]

probably a bit yeah

[languid tiger]

thanks to the new stat hats

[obtuse halo]

some of the new stat hats give +4 or +5

[languid tiger]

+5 from the curseblade hat

+3/+3 from the small divine beast hat, +3/+4 from the divine bird hat

and +4/+4 from the dancing lion hat

[obtuse halo]

I like the bird hat for fashion and want to do something with it but not sure what

[languid tiger]

i really like the beast hat with the black knight set

goes surprisingly well

man

i miss the weapons in ds2 that also buffed your stats

give me the fucking work hook back

i'd eat that shit up

+5 dex -3 adp

[stone cove]

I wish i liked the divine bird/divine beast hats

[frozen olive]

i don't think they would taste good

[stone cove]

...

You know