#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

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frozen olive
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Haligtree Crest Greatshield

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it's a base game shield

tropic stream
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Oh god that fucking thing

old brook
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4% drop chance from one guy

tropic stream
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hellfarm

frozen olive
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it drops from like

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one enemy

old brook
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o7 good on you i shall never touch it

frozen olive
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with a 4% drop chance

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iirc

tropic stream
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You also have to kill the miniboss he's standing right next to

old brook
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looks dope tho

frozen olive
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it's the best shield in the game for the final dlc boss

tropic stream
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Unless you wanna play dodge the tree every time you try to kill him

old brook
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i'm not gonna end up greatshielding it

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i physically cannot and will never

frozen olive
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||if you level it up to max and drop a holy infusion on it you can literally tank any move the boss throws out||

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which is kinda funny

tropic stream
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Greatshielding goes against all my instincts

frozen olive
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i mostly used it for the ||big fucking aoe explosions||

old brook
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but also ||can't rep the haligtree with the new lore, sorry Mike, you biffed it||

frozen olive
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since i didn't have a better solution

old brook
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i can dodge the explosions

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it's the relentless swinging

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you do not get one second

frozen olive
old brook
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||that's part of the joke like calling 'em Mike||

frail sky
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Final Boss spoilers: ||wanted to see how well a full tank build would do against Radahn, turns out it can get to the second phase really easily. I probably could've done a lot better if I didn't have only one ironjar aromatic on me||

frozen olive
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the Haligtree Crest Greatshield really is a certified fucking fromsoft moment

frail sky
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||This was also without endure||

old brook
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god i even hate the color scheme for the arena lmao

frozen olive
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drops only from one specific enemy in one specific place
does not drop from any other version of this specific enemy even if they look identical
4% drop rate
exists in the most random fucking spot ever

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thank you fromsoft

frail sky
old brook
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I'm sure the ||Golem Fists|| could be pretty cool but.. not with that farm

frozen olive
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yeah lol

golden pond
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swap to 99 arcane until you get it chad

frozen olive
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i farmed it with like

old brook
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I have 53 and I don't even want to

frozen olive
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at most 18 arcane

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popped on the ||new arcane talisman|| and the soreseal with the mimic mask and just went to work

old brook
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Flame Knight gear I might have to smack some folks around for though

frozen olive
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Flame Knight stuff fucks

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i still need to get the knife though

old brook
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I got the shortsword twice

tropic stream
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@raw coral This is the pic

old brook
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And none of the other weapons v-v

frozen olive
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if it wasn't obvious i really liked it

old brook
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keep getting GLOVES, DROWNIN IN GLOVES

frozen olive
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i kept getting hats

frail sky
raw coral
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did they change the drop rate for the unaltered banished knight chest piece?

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cause I got it on my very first kill

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without even trying to get it

atomic marsh
frozen olive
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certified Thiollier moment

tropic stream
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bro got made into a hollow knight character

frozen olive
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still kinda annoyed that i ||graced Queelign and didn't get his weapon||

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||shoulda killed his ass and graced Jolan instead||

atomic marsh
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||She showed mercy to the Berries and Cream-ass haircut man instead of the bad goth bitch, for shame||

frozen olive
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||to be fair to me, i did the entire dlc completely blind and i didn't find out about being able to do that with Jolan until after, when i already got the ash from Queelign||

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||and by that point i did not want another completely useless item so i killed Jolan for the weapon which might actually be useful||

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||or well, i killed her to see what the other reward was||

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me and my friend were playing together and i drew the short straw unfortunately

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so far for fire knight, 9 hats, 1 chest, 2 gauntlets, 4 boots, 1 greatsword and no shortsword...

tropic stream
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Anyone know a good talisman to use with a dex/fth leda's sword build?

frozen olive
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when in doubt

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alexanders shard

tropic stream
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no has XD

modest berry
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i was thinking of doing a dual swords thing with her and a cold milady im not sure but i think her ash of war resets cold

kind garden
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it does

modest berry
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ok taking a break from boss to +20 my fragments, suffering is not noble

kind garden
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smart

glossy delta
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Good luck finding the last scadutree fragment!!!

modest berry
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im at plus 16 rn so ive got a whiles to go

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i need a game to tell me where ive been because i just forget shit i never went to the scaduview cross for instance cuz i just got distracted from that spiritspring

frozen olive
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why does this weapon have such a fucking low drop rate

modest berry
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which'un

frozen olive
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fire knights shortsword

real shadow
frail ferry
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it bowls you

frozen olive
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dropping 3.1k damage with a single knights lightning spear is so fucking nice

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tried it with ||flowerstone gavel and priestess heart, hitting a cool 4.1k damage||

old brook
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Flowerstone has me tempted for a lightning build tbh seems neat

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And they keep buffing mace/flail speed

frail sky
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I’m convinced that the reason people don’t use flails is that their moveset is visually pathetic

frozen olive
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weak moveset, time for greatsword

old brook
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I got fond of flails as just 'oh my god, strike damage that doesn't need strength'

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Night Rider's Flail + Sacred Blade is the Stonedigger Crystalian Skeleton Deleter

modest berry
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they need to do half peirce damage,,, like great stars

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they have Spikes!!!

glossy delta
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Amusing agony, but

old brook
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impossible commitment to the bit

obtuse halo
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haha, i'm in danger

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this might be the worst fight ever(tm) on bow-only

frail sky
glossy delta
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Pre and post considering uh
He using them in the dlc

modest berry
obtuse halo
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also I made the foolish error of ||finishing Freyja's quest|| so it's harder than it could have been

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at least ||Moore|| isn't here

glossy delta
frail sky
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Someone give the poor man a wing of astel

obtuse halo
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I am summoning, they just die

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also apparently ||you get a sanguine noble if Ansbach is dead||

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lol

glossy delta
old brook
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I don't know if bow build could ||beat Moore||

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like earnestly

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it'd be hours

obtuse halo
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it's probably possible but no doubt miserable

glossy delta
old brook
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that drink at half health would be a shot in the heart for sure

obtuse halo
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LMAO

frozen olive
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thinking i might keep a fire knights shortsword in my back pocket with the fire knights flame spear AoW equipped

atomic marsh
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Hit him with Scarlet Rot pots or something

obtuse halo
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taste of his own medicine

atomic marsh
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Consumables! They're your friends!

obtuse halo
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yeah consumables are good

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I didn't swear them off, but relying on them too much would be against the spirit of bow-only!

atomic marsh
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Alternatively

frozen olive
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got flame skewer on my greatsword

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both skills hit for about as much damage but flame skewer is quicker and does more stagger i feel

atomic marsh
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Switch to an actual different weapon, summon your mimic tear, then switch back to bow.

glossy delta
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Now that seems like cheating

frail sky
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That's even more against the spirit!

obtuse halo
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man, at least mimic tear wouldn't run out of arrows

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I've avoided mimic tear this far though

atomic marsh
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THE SPIRIT ISN'T YOU

frail sky
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She's only using spirits with bows

obtuse halo
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okay so part of my rules for bow-only is spirit summoning is allowed but- yeah that

frozen olive
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still so fucking mad i didn't get ||Queeligns weapon||

obtuse halo
frozen olive
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yeah

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also apparently i didn't get ||Messmers spear either cause i grabbed his incant||

old brook
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I mean you can clone that one

atomic marsh
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Yeah

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There's even finger tombs in the DLC!

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That are just fucking
Sitting there

old brook
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why -are- they at finger ruins >:|a

atomic marsh
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I was like "Huh what's this thing"

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"Oh cool!"

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"HEY WAIT"

old brook
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"Huh what's this thing!" tackled by Fingercreeper

frozen olive
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i already used all of my cloning things

obtuse halo
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interestingly the presence of one near the cathedral ||hints at the finger ruins beneath it||

frozen olive
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unless there is ||more than one in SOTE||

obtuse halo
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there are ||three||

old brook
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There's more!

frail sky
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There are ||3||

frozen olive
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do any of them clone boss remembrances

obtuse halo
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yes

frozen olive
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the uh, ||demigod ones i mean, the special ones||

atomic marsh
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All of them do

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That's their point

old brook
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ahh the ol' arbitrary mausoleum differences in basegame

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so fun

umbral portal
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They all do

frozen olive
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oh ok

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cool

obtuse halo
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||Each Finger Ruin has one and then there's also one at the Cathedral of Manus Metyr||

frail sky
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Huh, I Just realized, the reason fingercreepers are infesting caria manor is because Ranni's two fingers are utterly pissed at her
Why did it take me til the dlc to realize fingercreepers are connected to the two fingers

obtuse halo
golden pond
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Oh no, mad fingies

atomic marsh
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Do you know what's a bit I did

obtuse halo
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what that means, I couldn't tell you

old brook
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bells are more connected to god, Marika just likes them

frozen olive
atomic marsh
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In the top eastern Ruins when there's that ||big pack of fingercreepers all running around, I was streaming to a friend. So I put on the Jurassic Park theme and did "They DO move in herds..."||

frozen olive
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||i'll go see if i can find the Manus Celes one||

glossy delta
obtuse halo
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yeah I assumed they were tied to Rykard

old brook
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They straightup look like his hands, it's weird

obtuse halo
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because of the blasphemy thing and all the rings yeah

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though I don't think the ||dlc ones have the rings||

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so there could be something to that

atomic marsh
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They do

glossy delta
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Real talk the fingercreeper/two finger connection allllmost feels like a post-facto thing

atomic marsh
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They're the same model.

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Eh? I don't think so.

old brook
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Who's making these fashions for you, creepers

atomic marsh
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Creepers?

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Awwwwwww man

umbral portal
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💥

old brook
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ogh, friend had to stop playing for a few days literally at the fog gates before bayle and messmer

obtuse halo
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Unrelatedly! Sharpshooter Amulet is less than good for bosses unfortunately, but it does make dungeon-clearing easier.

kind garden
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Okay I’ll bite

obtuse halo
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Anything you can cheese from a distance takes fewer shots that way

kind garden
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I think the Lampreys are the ones who make rings for the Fingercreepers

obtuse halo
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which conserves arrows through a dungeon

glossy delta
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Like aside from being Fingies they really aren't similar in behavior or design or role or anything
And the one piece of base game lore we have on them seems to directly contradict (boss lore) ||them coming from Metyr, a god-child on the same tier as the Elden Beast||

frozen olive
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ok this is a cool fucking weapon

obtuse halo
kind garden
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Seeing as they have the weird urple magic attack

frozen olive
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thank fuck i got such a stupid carryweight

kind garden
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Considering they’re lampreys, I’ll also posit something else

glossy delta
frozen olive
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i can have ||Messmers spear|| FKGS, Haligtree Crest Greatshield and my seal equipped at once

kind garden
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I think the lampreys are ||mutualists that attach themselves to shooting stars to hitch a ride||

old brook
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I'm glad the DLC didn't seem to have ||Wormfaces||, would like to learn what they are, but.. the noises, oh, the noises

glossy delta
kind garden
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Take your FUCKING travel meds you big stupid creature

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It would explain why they’re lampreys and not any other specific animal

frozen olive
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going to grab a few more levels so i can have this absurdly heavy setup and do mid roll

glossy delta
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There's also the angle of 'they look like fingers' but

frozen olive
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hmmm

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wondering why i have 16 int on this str fai char

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oooooh it's for ||Rellana's Twin Blades||

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that makes sense

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well i'm going to respec out of that

signal harness
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It's weird how common it is and how many weird places it appears

frozen olive
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least scuffed str fai setup

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this is a certified endurance moment

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don't even need a talisman, i'm just strong as hell

kind garden
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that is an absolutely ridiculous amount of equip load

frozen olive
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well i am carrying vastly heavy things and my armor isn't exactly light either

frail sky
obtuse halo
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yeah fun fact I'm running 55 END on bow-only

frozen olive
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59 :)

tropic stream
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I'm regularly running 60

frozen olive
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probably going to add another point to round it out

obtuse halo
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I'm barely wearing any armor, it's just for the stamina

frozen olive
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i'm going to be sitting at like

tropic stream
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I can midroll in 80 pounds of gear

signal harness
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What armor is that?

frozen olive
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lvl 250 so my build can afford it

kind garden
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Solitude helm

obtuse halo
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looks like solitude helm + fire knight gear

frail sky
obtuse halo
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less sure on gauntlets

kind garden
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I think Fire Knight for the rest?

frozen olive
obtuse halo
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exile gauntlets?

frozen olive
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ironically

obtuse halo
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ah no i'm wrong

frozen olive
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getting the stat recs for ||Messmers spear|| actually helps me

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because i need to max out dex

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and that means faster cast speed

tropic stream
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Goldflower Pyrza, Swordstress of the Twins

obtuse halo
frozen olive
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so i don't need to use the ||stardust talisman and take 30% more damage||

obtuse halo
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by far

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usually I'm 30 or under

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But bows are such ridiculous stamina hogs that it's what you gotta do

tropic stream
atomic plinth
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hooheehoohoohoo

frozen olive
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my character, Flameseer Freyja is a heretical pyromancer who likes to dabble in all sorts of awful flame based things

atomic plinth
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Is this any better than the other cannon?

tropic stream
kind garden
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homing.

tropic stream
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It does deal split magic damage tho

frozen olive
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great enjoyer of fire and fire accessories

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also has a great appreciation for specifically Knights Lightning Spear

kind garden
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damage kinda ass but cannons aren't really for dealing damage, they're for jump scaring the shit out of people during invasions

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and the homing helps greatly in that regard

tropic stream
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Okay hot take

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This looks even better no cape

atomic plinth
kind garden
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the homing is like

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seriously fucked up

opaque canopy
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wait it homes

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i did not notice that

kind garden
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they do not track a little bit like Comet does

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they will turn all the way the fuck around to kill you

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load explosive greatbolts for Sidewinder type results

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it has worse free-aim range than other cannons though

atomic plinth
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That is absolutely stupid

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I love it

real shadow
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Which item was it in the DLC that talked about shamans ||being suitable for jars||

obtuse halo
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tooth whip

real shadow
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Just found it when you said that, hah

opaque canopy
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I was trying to remember where I saw that, cause I was trying to piece it together with what you find in the village.

modest berry
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now i have to find the last fragment 😭

atomic plinth
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Same

tropic stream
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And the set

golden pond
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Marathon Runner looking endurance

atomic plinth
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Spicy

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I respect the Monk's Flameblade

frozen olive
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i'm going for more of a quality over quantity thing

golden pond
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what is that set RutileThinking

tropic stream
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Fire Monk Hood, Drake Knight Armor & Gauntlets, Fire Knight Greaves

frozen olive
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the Knights Lightning spear is there cause it's fucking obscenely good

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i'm a heretic sorcerer, i can use a bit of lightning if i want

atomic plinth
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Would fit pretty good with the drake knight armor

frozen olive
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My pyromancer is a bit more knightly than dragon-y

tropic stream
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"THE FLAMES! I SEE IT AAAAAAAAAAAALL IN THE FLAMES!!! BURNING EYES, LASHING TONGUES, BLISTERING FLESH!!! I FEEEEEEEEL IT! I WILL SHOW THE WORLD THE FLAMES!"

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Mine is definitely more of a manic zealot nutjob yeah

frozen olive
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Yeah your character is a lot more outwardly unhinged than mine

obtuse halo
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I swear, (dlc final dungeon spoilers)||Leda|| might be my final boss

tropic stream
golden pond
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CHAOS TAKE US ALL

frozen olive
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My character is insane enough to full send it on Frenzy flame just to find out what would happen, but also cares enough about the pyromantic arts to not do such a stupid thing as become a lord of frenzy

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How can there be fire if there is nothing to burn, you know?

golden pond
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Magic

frozen olive
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Magic is something

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Which would not exist if the Frenzied Flame had its way

tropic stream
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Welp

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Time to fight uh

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Hehehe

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fml

golden pond
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nothing left

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not even Frenzito the crazy bastard

old brook
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Not nothing! The one great!

tropic stream
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||Radahn time. Fuck.||

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No more stalling.

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Okay I'm super consistent at getting him to phase two

old brook
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Truly the only thing that mixes me up anymore phase 1 is ||if he doesn't instantly launch across the whole field||

frozen olive
mellow silo
tropic stream
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fuck this gonna ng+ for my dex spellsword build

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XD

atomic marsh
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I'm considering New Game+ing

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I just don't know what I'd use

modest berry
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found the last fragment

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it was on a pot guy in the first field lol 😭

golden pond
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with moonveil and starlined sword

atomic marsh
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NEVER

golden pond
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I AM THE STORM TAHT IS APPROAAAAAACHING

atomic marsh
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The 200 Ping Bulgarians Have Sullied This Weapon For All Eternity

golden pond
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who cares about pvp MelonYawn

glossy delta
golden pond
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be the storm that is approaching and provoking black clouds in isolation

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reclaim your name and be blessed and born in flames

frozen olive
tropic stream
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@obtuse halo (dlc item spoilers) I'm pulling a you lmao

golden pond
frail ferry
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what did miriel do
:(

golden pond
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??????????/

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miriel isn't an enemy

frail ferry
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but he is dog

golden pond
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i said dog and bird enemies

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not just dogs and birds

atomic marsh
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kill blaidd

golden pond
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once he turns enemy, ye

frozen olive
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apparently i can do ||shield poke with Messmer's spear||

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incredible

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got my fucking dastardly build going

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i have my greatsword and seal for doing pyromancy shit

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and when things get tough i pull out my greatsheild and great spear and get to it

vernal imp
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What int weapons do folks like besides DMGS? I’m thinking something one handed that swings faster than the GS

frail sky
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I had a lot of fun with wing of astel on pure int, though that was several patches ago

vernal imp
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I’ll give it a shot. I like using the weird stuff.

old brook
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Honestly the Int/Cold AoWs are so good and usually end up using something regularlike

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Astel is rad too though, Moonveil's classic, and ||has a new int katana|| to perhaps try with..

dusty kraken
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New Int Katana is fun

frozen olive
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extremely devious with the two-phase type build

old brook
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I'm curious about those ||Rancor|| weapons, ash of war versions of spells tend to be a little weirdly strong

glossy delta
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I like the Lazuli Glintstone Sword a lot despite how simple it is
Wood 😌

tropic stream
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I am once again begging fromsoft

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give the carian knight sword the same feature as carian sorcery sword

glossy delta
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I think it's fine
That's the point of having two weapons 😛

old brook
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Also WOW 1.07 buffed the hell outta Helphen's Steeple

fleet bronze
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Helphen's Steeple is quite good

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It's kind of in a weird spot because it's always going to be compared to MLGS but doesn't have the projectiles but it's still really good

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I really like the Death Ritual Spear, though generally spears are best when using two

tropic stream
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I wish the ritual spear had a slash moveset

fleet bronze
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Ritual Spear with the Sword Spear moveset would be absolutely sick

frozen olive
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ok i think i know what i'm going to do for my potential seamless dlc run with my friends

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i'm just going to go all in on Helphens Steeple

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my favourite weapon in the entirety of DS3 is Onyx Blade so

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it's going to hopefully be a time

stone cove
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Ugh, grumpy. Checking my vod of my chill optimiser Elden ring stream and there's a lot of background static from the mic & you can constantly hear me hitting the buttons on the controller ;.;

frozen olive
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watching a random clip compilation of people ||fighting bayle for the first time and hearing Igon shout his hatred for Bayle||

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and the first person in the comp literally is using Elden Stars 😭

languid tiger
frozen olive
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a win is a win i guess

golden pond
frozen olive
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if you told me land squirts were more powerful than elden stars i would believe you

golden pond
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||I can't say shit, she killed Messmer, Death Knight, Gravity Beastie, tree sentinel so far||

frozen olive
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respect

old brook
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Rats should be endlessly summonable

gray leaf
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just finished watching through a playthrough of the Elden Ring DLC and have a few questions which I wish I could try out in practice and also a bunch of things I want to just... ask about.

old brook
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I want to use them but just so obliterated

frozen olive
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i remember i used to just, despawn my summon when it got close to dying and resummoned it

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peak mimic moment when you pull it out making the enemy you are fighting think it's dead

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then it pops back in at full health for round 2

gray leaf
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Also lore from elsewhere to repeat, but I just want to start by asking: does anything happen if you fight ||Messmer|| using the ||Serpent Hunter Spear||? I feel like it should.

frozen olive
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don't think so

old brook
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It's a very specific ||spear||

frozen olive
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yeah

old brook
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RevengerBlade

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||Messmer's snakes|| seem content to sit in a dark room forever

golden pond
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Would've been so much cooler

old brook
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It was already cool >:0 doesn't need a oneshot power

golden pond
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Wouldn't have to be

old brook
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Now ||Mohg's Shackle on the final boss?|| that should work - Last Boss stuff

languid tiger
frozen olive
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that one is actually valid

old brook
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Even if it's not full effect just sorta make 'em HMRNGH for a moment

gray leaf
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That did not occur to me as a thing but I agree actually.

frozen olive
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it should have some effect

gray leaf
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Also... it would have been probably very difficult but having the thing I described work during phase 2 only would have really made sense...

frail sky
old brook
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multiplicatively

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gimme a hundred rats

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make my processor upset

gray leaf
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Also, a lot of lore questions involving Empyreans because it's revealed almost casually that ||Hornsent Grandam (and I'm not sure if "Grandam" is a name, or a title like "grandmother") is an Empyrean. So what does that mean for everyone?||

frozen olive
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huh????

frail sky
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Wait, huh?

frozen olive
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where is this information

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i need you to source this ASAP for my sanity

gray leaf
frail sky
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||(Also it is apparently an archaic term for grandma)||

gray leaf
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I was caught really off-guard by it too but I just randomly noticed it right there in the description and went "huh?"

gray leaf
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yeah

frail sky
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||The two fingers just saw her and went “oh hell yeah, grandmas are great let’s make her an empyrean”||

gray leaf
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It's so out-of-place, and nothing particularly draws attention to it, and I don't remember hearing anyone talking about it (although there hasn't been a ton of time for people to talk about it) but it sure is just... explicitly stated right there!

frozen olive
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that sure is a thing

gray leaf
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Yeah. It raises a lot of questions.

left willow
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[Start of Shadow Keep]
||THAT STUPID FUCKING HIPPO IS A JUMPSCARE, JESUS||

old brook
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It's a really unlikely place for one tbf

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of all the things to be in front of a castle that's low on my list

frail sky
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||Maybe an outer god just really likes her scorpion stew||
||Despite it being awful||

old brook
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||Can we use the out of time nature of Farum Azula to make the stew good again it sounded nice||

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this is an important use of godly power

frozen olive
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honestly this sounds plausible to me but i have no way to verify anything said

frail sky
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If it’s truly a mistake it will probably be patched out

frozen olive
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yeah probably

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but like yeah that is either the most insane wacky lore in the DLC or some weird shenanigans

frail sky
#

I hope it’s real and there just no explanation anywhere

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Reminds me, in what way are the scorpion spiders spider-like?

frozen olive
#

honestly, no idea

old brook
#

to be upsetting

frail sky
#

They seem to just be giant scorpions to me but I’m very unobservant

left willow
#

That ||hippo|| was SO much easy than lady blue balls

old brook
#

||Hippo's|| just kind of a filter for wandering shades and the like, i'd imagine

gray leaf
#

I was assuming the former of those two things, actually! And it would give ||some degree of "divine legitimacy" to the prior Hornsent regime|| so it wouldn't be totally out-of-pocket incomprehensible? At least one patch has already hit, so if anyone is able to check that item description ingame that'd be appreciated.

old brook
#

honestly ||maybe the fingers just stole their titles because they started making shit up on the fly||

gray leaf
#

Hades I... think you're able to obtain the item in question, unless I'm mixing up bosses? Can anyone else confirm?

frozen olive
#

you get the ||Watchful spirits spell|| from ||killing the Divine beast and talking to the Hornsent Grandam||

old brook
#

||with the Divine Beast hat||

frozen olive
#

you need to ||wear it's head though||

old brook
#

easily one of my favorite npcs

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the divine beast speech was next level

frozen olive
#

i didn't get it because uh

frozen olive
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||i killed the Divine beast as the literal last thing i did in the entire dlc before the final boss||

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:)

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||if you kill Messmer i think you become unable to do her dialogue||

grave plinth
left willow
#

[Shadow Keep Beginning] I just beat the ||Golden Hippo|| and was talking about how I cooked him so much faster than ||Moon Sister 2, Electric Boogaloo||

languid tiger
frozen olive
frozen olive
kind garden
#

I’m explaining Elden Ring memes to my gf

gray leaf
kind garden
#

How do I explain the Mohg/Miquella situation

frail sky
#

(Sorry for the ping)

left willow
gray leaf
#

Yeah, I was talking about the item whose description I was discussing earlier, which is tied to the first of those bosses you've listed.

kind garden
#

Ayy

left willow
#

ah, I see

frail sky
#

As in, she went in here to go ||“why is there a hippo here”|| which was unrelated to what was previously being talked about

left willow
#

So I have NO idea what's being talked about 50% of the time

frozen olive
#

good

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learn the hard way like we did

gray leaf
#

That's good. Hades: what have you done in relation to the ||Dancing Lion|| boss which you killed?

left willow
gray leaf
#

alright. You... might have missed out on something, depending on what else you did in the zone around him.

left willow
#

oh, traded for ||frost Stomp||

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||enemy, item, or NPC||

gray leaf
frail sky
#

||Afaik it only breaks if you kill the main boss of shadow keep||

left willow
#

||What's the NPC name?||

gray leaf
#

||Hornsent Grandam||

opaque canopy
#

does the fire knight's greatsword benefit from changing affinity? was gonna slap lion's claw on it.

left willow
#

||I... that sounds familiar, but idk if I've talked?||

gray leaf
#

Okay. Well, uh. I want to tell you to do something related to said NPC, but also I don't want to spoil things too much?

left willow
#

I need to find her, apparently

gray leaf
#

Ah. Hopefully you haven't broken anything by not talking to her yet?

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I'm not sure on all the exact details.

left willow
#

... where is the room?

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I have the key

gray leaf
#

It's ||near one of the Sites of Grace||, I think ||the Private Altar one|| if I'm being very specific?

opaque canopy
#

It is. ||Private altar site of grace, go up the stairs, door on the left and across the bridge where the two caster enemies are standing. There's a door to the storeroom she's in.||

median rock
gray leaf
#

yeah I was afraid of that.

median rock
# left willow I have the key

you have to talk to her at least once before you kill the boss in that area, otherwise it's fully locked out and you can't talk to them for the rest of the playthrough. there's also a different thing that locks her quest out later, but more minor

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thankfully, you don't get anything very major from it - ||infinite (while quest lasts but stops once it's over) minor consumable healing item, 3x furnace visage (crafting ingredient), and a mediocre pve incantation||

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finishing the whole quest just gives you ||a single unique large healing consumable. nothing great||

gray leaf
#

Yeah but the last one of those has lore that is either a major sucker-punch revelation, or an error that should have gotten patched out, and I was hoping she'd be able to get the item and thus the information to check directly.

median rock
#

fair enough

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but yeah its a very missable quest bc of how tight the boss timing is

frozen olive
#

I think i could go grab it tomorrow on my original character

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I only fought ||Rellana and Metyr|| on that one i'm pretty sure

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Will be a pain to do since that char is still Scadu blessing 3 but i think i could manage it

left willow
frozen olive
#

Tbf prolly not as much of a pain as ||fighting Rellana at Scadu 1 or Metyr at Scadu 3||

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Level properly folks, it makes the game more fun

left willow
#

And sometimes, poke around an area you def didn't get everything from, find a minor boss, and toss 3 large glintstones at it

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And win

frozen olive
#

I was being extremely lazy with my og character and it led to the cmosest boas win i have ever had

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Literally a second or less between me winning and losing

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(DLC boss spoilers)||Metyr was an absolute bitch to fight||

gray leaf
#

...I also can't wait for someone to do an up-close sprite examination of that boss because I desperately need one.

frozen olive
#

WITNESS ME

atomic marsh
#

I got that win with the ||Hippo||

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I died and my mimic tear, with 1 health said "NO"

"VICTORY SHALL BE OURS"

real shadow
#

Senessax is a wildly unfun fight.

atomic marsh
#

Surprisingly, it's way easier on horseback

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in my experience

real shadow
#

Be cool if I could stagger him but that seems to be completely forgotten by Fromsoft when making this DLC.

atomic marsh
#

It takes a lot

frozen olive
#

Wanna know a fun fact about that fight?

real shadow
#

I got a little annoyed and called it a night. He's the only field boss left before the final area.

mellow silo
#

Simply Skip Senny

frozen olive
#

As far as i can tell ||Senessax's lightning spreads like it does in water on land as well :)||

atomic marsh
#

||Yeah the water's the justification but it's just wherever||

frozen olive
#

In fact

mellow silo
#

Do you really need that tenth Ancient Dragon Smithing?

frozen olive
#

That's mentioned in the lore

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||On the Red Lightning pot||

real shadow
frozen olive
#

||The ancient dragons who betrayed their lord to side with a tyrant were known for wielding branching red lightning.||

#

Stupid ||Bayle following heretic with bullshit branching lightning||

fleet bronze
#

Scorpions have much shorter legs held closer to the body

frozen olive
#

Fucked up creatures

gray leaf
frozen olive
#

One of the coolest in the dlc

atomic marsh
#

Y'know genuinely

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||I thought it was more than 2 guys||

frozen olive
#

Leyendell sewers
15 vig/547hp
mfw 🤡

left willow
#

lmao

gray leaf
#

there are lots of things in the Shadow of the Erdtree which are white, black, red, or golden. There are many important things which are at least one of those colors. There's probably something to be said here about alchemy, and I like attaching alchemical metaphors to things, but it seems like drawing any kind of clean line is going to be very difficult and require some extremely subjective interpretation.

left willow
#

I finally hit 50 vig tonight

frozen olive
#

Big W

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Idk how much i'm on

left willow
#

And I gotta say, going from 20 for my entrance into Leyndell Capital Proper to 50

frozen olive
#

I'm lvl 250 on my dlc char so

left willow
#

It's a BIG jump

frozen olive
#

I have a lot of levels

left willow
#

It really feels like Vig to 40 is a prereq to... everything? late game

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And vig to 50 is almost needed for the DLC

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I really need to hop back and fiddle with my Dex/Arcane archer

#

Twas a silly build

frozen olive
#

40 vig is where you wanna be at minimum usually

real shadow
#

50 feels like the minimum for the DLC, with 55-60 being comfortable.

left willow
#

Yeah, I kinda want to get up to 65 or 70 int before I get up to 55-60 vig

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And maybe 30 dex?

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idk

tropic stream
#

And then you fucking kill her

#

FromSoft games everyone

left willow
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gfdi [Castle Ensis Item] ||I missed the dang sorc sword tonight. I have to go BACKWARDS and JUMP BACK INTO the castle to find it? wtf fromsoft? I have disadvantage on my perception checks in this game already :(||

trail sail
opaque canopy
#

Found the ||Nope Woods||. plsno

left willow
left willow
#

pain

atomic marsh
#

||The Tarnished Battle Royale is actually my favorite Fromsoft moment tbh||

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||Like in any Souls game||

left willow
#

Anyways, exciting news that I can just turn around and snag the thing

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.... [Ensis Castle Item Question] ||How does the Sorcery Sword work? Am I understanding that it has no heavy, but instead casts your current spell if you r2?||

opaque canopy
#

I've yet to [Abyssal Woods] ||run into one of the damned things||, but the worst, most nerve-biting part of this so far is seeing ||random bits of runes come in as something behind me just died||.

frail sky
left willow
frozen olive
#

||unfortunately my int char has 70 int so using anything but Carian regal would be a nerf||

#

😔

left willow
real shadow
#

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frozen olive
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Sounds like an interesting weapon to try with a lower level build with a 40/40 split between int and something else, maybe dex

frail sky
#

||What if instead of a sword catalyst you just use carian slicer 🤔 ||

trail sail
frozen olive
#

Spellswapping moment

frail sky
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||…I meant that as a joke but with the fp regen talisman that might actually work||

#

I kinda want to try that now

left willow
old brook
#

I love the Carian sorceries, such a cool route for the homing soulmass and whatnot. And NPCs seem reaaaal bad at dodging Piercer

#

Though I do miss my most horrible friend

left willow
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NPCs hate this one weird trick: [Casts Glintstone Sword 3 times, Carian Piercer 1 time, then Zamor Icestorm]

old brook
#

( Affinity from DS1, like Carian Phalanx but cursed. Dark Magic was unbalanced as hell )

frozen olive
#

I was more of a Chaos Bed Vestiges kinda gal

frail sky
#

Affinity had absurd tracking iirc

old brook
#

tracking damage shieldbreak

frozen olive
#

Chaos bed vestiges save me, save me chaos bed vestiges

old brook
#

Forbidden Sun was just about the same spell yeah

left willow
#

Out of curiosity, is there a stated balance reason why Incantations get access to (at least) 3(?) damage types and 3(?) conditions while Sorceries get 2 (with Standard being fairly rare) damage types and 1 condition?

frozen olive
#

Closest i got in ER is Flame of the Fell God but it's so fucking slow

frail sky
old brook
#

I don't know if.. Fromsoft has ever stated why they balance things like they do

left willow
frozen olive
#

Fuck the homing nuke, let me fucking throw it instead

frail sky
left willow
frail sky
#

I think sorceries technically get access to fire damage but it requires a bit of faith investment

frozen olive
#

Flame of the fell god misses more than half the time anyway cause the enemy moved half a centimeter away from it

old brook
#

They didn't like Pyromancy having a railgun i guess

left willow
#

scorcs: better raw damage
incantations: rot lmao

old brook
#

thing was goddamn hilarious in pvp

#

lingering fireball and forbidden sun

#

dance, foole

frozen olive
#

Tried it against Malenia and blackflame ritual high-key did a better job than it

left willow
old brook
#

Blackflame Ritual is solid tbh

frozen olive
#

Yeah but like

old brook
#

wish it lasted more than a second

frozen olive
#

Static ring vs. Homing projectile

#

While fighting what i can only describe as the dex boss

old brook
#

'homing' like a damn blimp

frozen olive
#

Static ring somehow hitting more consistently

old brook
#

i wonder how she feels about Fire Serpent

frozen olive
#

Still funny to me that the ||Lightning/fire combo spells are fucking arcane locked||

old brook
#

||arcane stays winning||

frozen olive
#

||CURSE YOU, BAYLE!||

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Also ||Bayles heart not being able to be cloned sucks fromsoft fix this||

#

Still mad

old brook
#

Another ||Bayle|| just grows out of a leg stump

frozen olive
#

I really want to do a seamless run of the game+dlc

#

Hope my friends are up for it

left willow
#

Anyways, I just started scrolling the Sorcs list

#

apparently, there's a TON of base game spells I have missed

#

And apparently there's a quest line to the lady behind the pumpkin head for early sorcs

#

dangit

old brook
#

Oh yeah Sellen's a whole thing

left willow
#

Yeah

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🙃

old brook
#

accessible

left willow
#

I forget to revisit NPCs after I talk to the first time

old brook
#

the little icons have helped so much with that i am the maximum forgetting

left willow
#

Oh, I see the little icons

#

... I just forget that they can... change

old brook
#

I'm not sure what triggers her quest tbh

#

And sorc books are so rare

#

And then you can just bring them to the World's Most Memorable NPC Miriel

left willow
#

pretty sure there's just the 3 in the base game

old brook
#

truly the most Faith-laden game From has had, feels like

#

which makes sense i guess

#

but there could be another heap of wizards somewhere c'mon

#

why's the only necromancer a weird little guy in a cave we beat to death

#

Ds2 was great about this tbh

#

( if incredibly esoteric )

left willow
#

I (personally) think that the base game feels like the wizards... kinda intentionally committed a Techpriest? Like, they chose to seal themselves away from the "real world" to just do magic

#

So it has widely stagnated and the few "wizard" places are rotting because they been locked in for so long

#

(to be clear) I LOVE this vibe and it kinda made up my mind on my first (and current) character: Grave, Child of the Stars, Breaker of Seals, Tarnished

#

It's part of why I think my character doesn't feel bad about jumping Mommy Moon, despite everything that has happened to her

frail sky
#

Oh hey my new controller arrives tomorrow, finally I can get more attempts in at the final boss 😌

#

Then probably give up and start up a new playthrough or something, I dunno

opaque canopy
#

(Abyssal Woods) ||Aging Untouchable||: (Fucks up its grab after sneaking up on me while I wasn't looking at the screen)
Me:

#

made it out of ||The Fog|| area too while sprinting full chicken-with-its-head-cut-off

nova smelt
#

after like diving into more of it i don't think i can bring myself to get the frenzied flame ending lol

old brook
#

But it's so positive and wholesome

#

Burning a maiden? How would a lord, crowned so, be looked upon? :[

nova smelt
#

shabriri came to know of a being of pure chaos and horror and became so enamoured with it that he led an entire people to imprisonment, persecution, and madness so that in their suffering he could bring his god into the world

#

kale's people got abandoned by the greater will through his doing and manipulations and the result is something that would destroy everything horribly

#

i just can't do it

#

shabriri is a bitchass motherfucker and I'm killing him on sight forever

left willow
#

The Frenzied Flame is a generally interesting idea to me, but like many "madness" or "chaos"-based philosophies, I find its desire to erase individuality at odds with actually being "free"

#

It's def not the direction that my current character is going to resolve the story

old brook
#

I mean part of it is that touching or even learning about these things actually makes you insane

#

Shabriri might have just been some dude before reading some fingerprints

#

It is caustic knowledge

nova smelt
#

shabriri definitely still had agency

#

most reviled man in history and deservedly so

old brook
#

I'm not saying it's a good path of a good dude just there's actual magic reasons and suchlike

left willow
#

I love my lil' merchant man

old brook
#

that too

#

It's a fascinating way to have a chaotic evil path

left willow
#

Oh, sure

#

It's just... "everyone will be one" and "I want to be truly free" seem like two diametrically opposed goals

trail sail
#

To be fair, right, "freedom" in this context has a lot to do with "freedom from the established order"

old brook
#

And it's not even freedom they're looking for

#

This is an apocalypse cult

trail sail
#

The Golden Order has trapped the Lands Between for generations, and the Frenzied Flame is certainly one kind of out

left willow
#

Fair enough

stone cove
#

Ah yes

old brook
#

Even with Shabriri. He slandered them, but that the Order would imprison a whole people based on hearsay

stone cove
#

the freedom of "We reduced everythign back to a single mass"

#

Liek that's lteirally what hte frenzied flame wants to do, melt the world back into uniforomity

old brook
#

"What if we undo the big bang"

stone cove
#

Shabiri: "Sounds cool, i'm in"

left willow
#

I'm (without looking it up) hoping to find an ending that "fixes" the world (notably, deals with the Death Root and maybe helps out my boys the jars) but I'm not hopeful it actually exists

old brook
#

It's.. rough going, ending wise

left willow
#

I should probably google where the rest of these roots are

old brook
#

Turns out it's hard to run the rules of reality

stone cove
#

It intergrates Death back int othe golden order properly

#

But what means ?

trail sail
#

Hades hasn't finished yet

#

Let's not discuss this openly

left willow
#

Oh, thank you

old brook
#

oh I thought they were looking up endings my bad

#

Well i answered nothing at least

left willow
#

I'm fairly certain I specified without looking it up

old brook
#

Ogh hell

left willow
#

No worries, friend

stone cove
#

But a fun take on things

languid tiger
#

oh, interesting

#

i like that one

stone cove
#

It's something l ike too and have commented on a few times

atomic marsh
#

||Miquella got the same thing as that one mad scientist from Jimmy Neutron||

feral linden
#

that unlocked a memory

left willow
#

hmmm, I'd like to do a [Post Ensis Item] ||Dryleaf Arts|| run but I don't wanna respec my DLC character. I might bother someone about helping me move them to a new character

#

(When I'm next free)

stone cove
#

@left willow I need to teach you how to cheat engine things in, lol, it's much simpler than moving stuff around

left willow
#

hiss

stone cove
#

Genuinely valid!

left willow
#

:P

#

I'd rather move stuff, tbh

stone cove
#

I do it for setting characters up for silly runs etc

#

because it is just, well, simpler and faster

left willow
#

Fair enough

stone cove
#

but it is also a thing of needing self control and like, beign repsectful with it?

#

(As in, dont be cheatrign in stuff to then ruin people's days online)

left willow
#

and I don't have self control XD

stone cove
#

Kinda curious there, honestly, liek what oyu imagine the issue would be? but also kinda a private topic so

left willow
#

A lot of my enjoyment of Elden Ring is the fiddling around with it and messing with the systems and finding the stuff. Just cheating in stuff would be easier and faster, but would also sap that enjoyment. And like, once I've done it once... my brain knows I could do it again and it just kills a game for me.

stone cove
#

Gotcha!

#

Thanks for explaining

vernal imp
#

they're basically a lovecraft cult, just kinda subtle about it

stone cove
#

Like i feel i;ve eaten my fill of BG3 because it's so not hard to break the game there

left willow
#

Fair enough

vernal imp
#

Is Founding Stars any good at all?

#

It seems so cool, but it also seems like exactly the kind of spell that seems cool and actually sucks.

#

I've tried landing it on a few things and it seems pretty meh, so I'm wondering if I should keep trying lol

languid tiger
#

founding rain of stars was very strong in pvp and got nerfed in pvp

#

no idea about pve

gray leaf
#

...I just wanna say I love the morality discussions this DLC has brought about, and how it has caused some dramatic changes of opinions, but also, I suspect, the seed of a lot of Discourse.

trail sail
#

Such as?

gray leaf
#

the morality of ||Miquella||, mostly, since he ||did some pretty objectively awful things, but for the sake of some genuinely altruistic goals, and it's unclear whether what he was doing could have worked, or how well||.

obtuse anchor
#

tree sentinel question: does his jump shield have a shield hitbox and does it land a few frames after hooves?

#

or did i just mistime my dodge?

languid tiger
#

there's a shield hitbox on it, but i believe that was just a mistimed dodge against the earthquake hitbox

obtuse anchor
#

ah

#

ok didn't realize the earthquake has a hitbox, thought it's just a visual effect, previously i've only gotten hit by hooves or shields

languid tiger
#

i believe it has a hitbox?

obtuse anchor
#

kinda makes sense, his ground slam with axe also does damage in an aoe now that i think about it

languid tiger
#

it's either the ground, the rocks, or both

#

that has one

#

but i think it's the former

obtuse anchor
#

knowledge acquired

#

every time he leaps, i have urge to HPB

languid tiger
#

hpb?

stone cove
#

You can actually jump a bunch of his stuff

obtuse anchor
#

oh word? been meaning to try it

left willow
obtuse anchor
#

heavenly potemkin buster, from guilty gear series

left willow
#

... what does that mean?

obtuse anchor
#

it's an anti-air super move that grabs the victim and does a high altitude kinniku buster (wrestling move)

left willow
#

Sorry, let me rephrase:

#

You want to HPB: What does that look like in Elden Ring?

obtuse anchor
#

oh, i don't know if any similar move would exist in Elden Ring, as a newcomer to the soulsbourne genre, as well as a fighting game fan, it's just an joke to talk about knee jerk reactions to seeing airbourne opponent flying at me

left willow
#

Oh! I understand now, I apologize

obtuse anchor
#

kind of on me for making cross media references

languid tiger
#

i never think about things by acronym unless i'm like

#

way too into them

left willow
#

Theoretically, you could jumping attack with a Hammer or Great Hammer to punish that particular attack

languid tiger
#

you can jump attack with a lot more than just hammers

obtuse anchor
#

basic mechanic question: do higher defense reduce amount of stamina cost to block?

languid tiger
#

nope, that's on shields themselves

#

that's what a shield's Stability determines

obtuse anchor
#

so defense is for damage taken per hit?

languid tiger
#

the higher stability, the less stamina consumed when guarding

left willow
languid tiger
#

absorptions are damage reductions, yep

left willow
languid tiger
#

ah

#

my bad, you're almost certainly right

obtuse anchor
#

ah

left willow
languid tiger
#

yeah, just forget which terms ER has switched and which it hasn't sometimes

obtuse anchor
#

appreciate it

left willow
#

Circled Number in this case

languid tiger
#

notably, a shield's guard boost is increased with upgrade levels

#

but only slightly

#

it's about 1 per tier for non-sombers, i think

#

might be higher for greatshields or sombers, but i mostly roll with the brass shield (or now the messmer soldier shield god damn)

#

always prioritize your weapons

#

but if (and eventually, when) you've got extra rocks, you should make sure to upgrade your shields too

left willow
#

I've got plenty of mats

languid tiger
#

you should do

modest berry
left willow
obtuse anchor
#

NUJUUUU

#

i was this close

#

pride came before the fall (was proud at like the 70% mark where i was no-hit)

modest berry
#

oooh, maybe try and sneak in some jumping heavies next time, nice shield use

#

took me a while to get that shields were like,,good again after coming from ds3

left willow
#

Oh dang, he really dumpstered your hp with that shield slam

#

Also, that shield use is TOP tier, dang

modest berry
#

i would have flasked since you have 3 but im a scaredy cat and agression does pay off

languid tiger
#

just got a bit hasty at the end with the roll

left willow
#

Oh, something that @stone cove taught me: If you use the slots that you activate via hold (top button) -> numpad input, the lag time to use any consumables other than the one you're currently looking at drops a lot. I really recommend at least trying it out. It's v useful in my experience

#

lets you have a utility thing (status pots, greases, physick) and both of your flasks "on deck" at all times

#

(I'm a filthy Rot Potter, so the ability to chuck those fuckers any time I want is super nice)

languid tiger
#

i primarily use torrent on up, my physik on down, blue gatorade on left, and buff/summon on right

#

depending on the character

#

usually it's just a buff like bloodboil or crab

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i'd try something like that, that is - at least the blue flask on one button and physick on another - and see if that works out

left willow
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Ah, Torrent up, blue left, red right, lantern down for me

languid tiger
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i usually keep red gatorade on my standard item button

left willow
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Oh, you put red in the standard slots?

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Interesting!

languid tiger
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yeah i don't use anything else in those slots

left willow
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Gotcha

languid tiger
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unless i'm going full pot goober or some other item build

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and lantern goes in one of the two unassigned quick slots

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since it's not something you usually need to toggle in combat

left willow
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I CHRONICALLY cannot find my lantern

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Ah, I have, uh, writing finger

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And something else in the other QS

languid tiger
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the other quick slot for me is usually rune arcs

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can't remember what i swapped it to most recently

left willow
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Oh! That's it, thank you

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Rune Arcs and Writing Finger

languid tiger
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but it's normally my rune arcs

left willow
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I really should find some more arcs

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Cause they are fairly useful into like, boss fights and stuff

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But monkey brain goes "he ho" and doesn't wanna use them for bosses I don't know are an issue

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Cause they aren't super plentiful

languid tiger
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yeah, but they're plentiful enough

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crack em boss

left willow
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I never know if any given boss is gonna be [Shadow Keep Spoilers Ahead] ||a Rellana or a Hippo.|| One of those I got so stuck on that I needed other people to get through, the other I died to when ||I didn't recognize I walked into a boss arena|| and then I turned around and CURBSTOMPED ||his porcupiney ass||

obtuse anchor
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huh

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it rains... does weather affect mechanics at all?

left willow
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I believe it decreases fire and increases lightning

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iirc

trail sail
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Yup

left willow
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By 10 (ish)% on each

obtuse anchor
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that's pretty cool

left willow
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I think it's like 11% decrease in fire and 9% increase in lightning taken

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(and dealt, obviously)

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There's also the golden light or something that increases runes gained

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(When the golden leaves are drifting down)

stone cove
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Wet things take more lihgitng damage and less fire

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this includes standing in water

left willow
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And rolling in it extends the effect after you leave

stone cove
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Liekwise, if you roll in poison/rot etc

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you'll have hte effect stick to you and keep going up

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this is what hte soap craftable is for.

obtuse anchor
left willow
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Yeah

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Congrats!

obtuse anchor
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237 mins, according to steam recordings

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now that i beat him (thx for the jump heavy tips), i gotta ask: i tried to parry him early on but kept taking damage in health as well as stamina, is that normal for fighting him or was i just not timing the parry right?

left willow
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not timing right, almost definitely

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Let me check if he's parryable

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He is, so it was just a timing fail

obtuse anchor
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gotcha

left willow
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(I find parrying to be so frickin hard in this game)

obtuse anchor
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izen parries tree sentinel (wrong timing), gets health deducted: wow this parry sucks. veers into 2H polearm for a good hour and change, goes "i wonder if blocking yields more reward" and never looked back from SnS

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"this is just like MH lance counter, with on demand attack, even"

left willow
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lol

trail sail
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Better parries make it a lot easier

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The basic Medium shield has a parry window of like...2 frames?

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It's bad

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There are Ashes you can get later on that go on any shield with a parry window of 6 plus ancillary benefits

left willow
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Even with [late base game ash of war] ||golden parry||, I'm so bad at it

modest berry
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also tangential to the weather question, but time of day also does matter for some things (i hope thats vague enough to not be too revealing)

stone cove
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Golden Parry and Carian Retilation are the "Best" parries

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Buckler Parry is right behind that

modest berry
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do peirce weapons do more on shield counter since it hits during recovery frames usually does that count as a "counterhit"

stone cove
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@obtuse anchor something to be aware is that a failed parry makes a distinctive "Donk" noise, and counts as some sort of a block? Which means small shields tend to be pretty punative to miss parries on

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because they have very bad guard boost

obtuse anchor
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ah

stone cove
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@modest berry It entirely dpends on "Does the attack doing thrusting damage land during the enemy animation"

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The advantage is the buckler can be gotten very early

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and it's light as hell

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and until you get Carian Retilation/Golden Parry it is the best parry

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Golden Parry is hidden in a mid game area, Carian retilation requires taking down an early mid-game boss

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and going through a small legacy dungeon

modest berry
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how is parrying dagger

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on that tierlist

stone cove
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"The Parry skill has 11 start-up frames, 9 active frames, and 31 recovery frames (at 60 FPS), making it slightly worse than small shields, but better than any other weapon archetype."

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For parrying dagger

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Buckler Parry has 4 start-up frames and 5 parry frames at 30 FPS. Double the values for data at 60 FPS.

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This is a good in depth b reakdown

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Basically, the TLDR: Golden and Carian are equel, the differences are

Golden always costs fp, but has dramatic range on it.
Carian costs 8 fp, but only if it parries ranged attacks. also it parries ranged attacks and deletes them, turning them into glintstone daggers for you.

languid tiger
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i'm a dark souls fogey

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so i never use carian retaliation or golden parry

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all buckler all the time

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but they're mathematically better

dusty kraken
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I should try Carian on the Dueling Shield

stone cove
dusty kraken
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But it's the Carian Dueling Shield and Carian Retaliation XD

stone cove
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Yes

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but a weapon that also can block and parry

median rock
stone cove
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whiel being able to safely thrust poke

median rock
stone cove
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probably a bit too good

median rock
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(i'm aware its not the same)

dusty kraken
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Boo, cowards 😛

median rock
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im also not nearly good enough w parrying to actually use it consistently

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i think i pulled it out for like one of the dlc ||mausoleum dudes|| (||rakshasha katana dipshit||) because that fight sucked otherwise, and then for crucible knights

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that's it

dusty kraken
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I'm still trying to find an AoW I like for Carian Dueling Shield. Cragblade is okay but I'm more int than physical stats so cragblade's +15% physical damage is not quite as good as it could be.

languid tiger
stone cove
languid tiger
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i assume flame skewer will be similarly good on the base thrusting shield

stone cove
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Flame SKewer and FIre lance, that was it

dusty kraken
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Since this is pre-DLC I don't have flame skewer and fire lance (Transfered the shield from another character) but Giant Hunt should be plenty gettable.

median rock
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i'm around rn iki, do u want me to drop u a copy from my char to mess around with?

median rock
stone cove
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You can get Repeating Thrust and BLood Tax on it too

median rock
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w/ skewer being the upward thrusting one & spear being the forward lunge

median rock
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lemme rip them off n dupe them from some lost ashes of war, easier than reloading a save

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so u got a minute

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just throw a duelist sign, still pswd liminal at elleh?

dusty kraken
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Sure

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Done.

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Sephia. Pink haired girl

median rock
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cool

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looking for it now

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wtf that oneshots?

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i was NOT expecting htat

dusty kraken
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I've got 16 vigor

median rock
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anyway did you manage to grab them, i saw them both vanish

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ah

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it said 947 damage so

dusty kraken
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with the sore seal

median rock
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that would for sure do it

dusty kraken
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This character is level 39 XD

median rock
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anyway i have no clue if those ashes of war even go on the shield but like. this is a ng+ dude with like 19 lost ashes of war, now 17. go figure

dusty kraken
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XD

median rock
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use them wisely padawan

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wtf are those stats

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night shard too? lol

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rot pool cheese on niall to finish millicent/gowry stuff for that?

dusty kraken
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Those are 'Use the Dueling Shield but also wearing the sore seal

median rock
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oh huh it has higher str than i thought

dusty kraken
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17 min str, 13 min Dex, 15 min int but I want to throw spells

median rock
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that makes much more sense now

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and then vigor is the lesser part of valor :)

dusty kraken
median rock
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yeah im not a fan of that fight period lol i think i just do it every time unless i can blitz him

dusty kraken
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I'm raising vigor now. I want to get to 30 before I mess about with other stats.

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But I was meeting weapon and armour prereqs

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I can medium roll in armour that gives 51+ poise

median rock
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reasonable

languid tiger
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you end up using the BK armor after all?

dusty kraken
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Yep!

languid tiger
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big fan of its design

dusty kraken
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Thanks for that

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Is tonky

stone cove
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BK armor is pretty swell looking

languid tiger
stone cove
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I actually ltierally startyed vagabond even though it wasnt techincally the "optimal "start for what i'm doing

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just because the drip is too good

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and its' a really good tank set avaible very early

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the only set that's better is Beast Knight and that requires murdering a useful npc and locking out tow other cool armor sets

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so

median rock
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i like black knife set w raptors's black feathers instead

dusty kraken
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Old RPG character of mine, Sephia (On right). Gravity Mage Knight. Doing her with Thrusting Shield and Gravity magic.

median rock
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i think the cloak is wayyy cooler

stone cove
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Black Knife is really good, yeah

median rock
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gravity magic
look inside
night shard

stone cove
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Shame it's so late in the game, the chest piece is incredibly useful

median rock
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u can get crepus vial relatively early via rya

dusty kraken
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It's cheap and pokey

median rock
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nah yeah its a good spell

stone cove
median rock
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fair enough

dusty kraken
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My 'actually in DLC' character who's using Dryleaf right now.

median rock
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ah yes gravebird abs

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my favorite new dlc armor

stone cove
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Oh, that's one of my favourite headpieces too