i'm a certified Patches hater so i don't mind having missed him the first time around
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
stone cove
Oh, it does matter, but just for a new player - weapon upgrades first and foremost, do your shield when you've got smithing stones to spare is the logic
frozen olive
killed his ass then and i'll do it again
plush cliffBOT
his spear carried us through the entirety of the early game 😔
topple ↩️
stone cove
Well, he went out a hero
obtuse halo
aw I love patches
stone cove
and he'd be very proud of youi.
plush cliffBOT
actually how long does the early game go for
left willow
Yeah, just, on the order of mattering, I'd place it below Weapons, Ashes, Levels, New Weapons, Spells, Crafting Manuals
obtuse halo
he's a jerk and I love him
stone cove
actually how long does the early game go for
Limgrave and weeping penisnusla.
modest berry
he betrayed me in DS3 and i'm never letting it go
which is a shame, hes one of my favorite characters in the series when he forgets everything about being himself 😂
stone cove
once you beat Godrick is when the game opens up and you have mutliple paths foward
obtuse halo
actually how long does the early game go for
matter of perspective really. I'd probably call limgrave and liurnia generally "earlygame" but you could very well end up at midgame levels and feeling like a midgame character if you do a lot
languid tiger
i'd say the entirety of limgrave and liurnia are "early-game"
stone cove
Though the game heavily flags you towards Liurnia
plush cliffBOT
,,,, it does?
The Zombie Penguin (They/Them) ↩️
obtuse halo
For first time players, Liurnia is generally a lot better of a path forward than Caelid
plush cliffBOT
we only just realized it was there 😔
languid tiger
yeah, caelid is scary and menacing and full of hate-death-fuck-dogs
left willow
Chicago is really brutal to get into
plush cliffBOT
noted
PlainJane (She/Her) ↩️
languid tiger
and the game tells you to go north
and the squiggly grace lines guide you north as well
obtuse halo
you can go straight to Caelid but it's a potentially bad time if you don't know what you're getting into
plush cliffBOT
yea a lot of our experience was just running away from them
topple ↩️
frozen olive
Caelid is uh
languid tiger
in from soft games, usually when an area is like
frozen olive
not a great tourist destination
you kinda want to not be there for as much of the game as possible
left willow
in from soft games, usually when an area is like
Swampy?
junior spade
|| I used the weapon for a while its a lot of fun with a very neat weapon art ||
languid tiger
a drastic drastic increase in difficulty or damage vs its previous area, it's signposting that there are multiple directions to go
frozen olive
especially first time around
obtuse halo
If you're not high enough level for Caelid, don't worry. Caelid will inform you.
plush cliffBOT
the last time we did that it led us straight into an ambush
topple ↩️
frozen olive
stone cove
especially first time around
Caelid is such a werid zone, like in my head it's basically the "I go here to do Some STuff Early Game" that relies on my meta game knowledge to powerspike my character.
frozen olive
yeah lmao
obtuse halo
yeah that's the thing, if you know where to go there's a lot of relatively easily accessed goodies there
stone cove
But it's never a zone i actively engage with in the way i do Limgrave or Liurnia
languid tiger
it's that a lot, yeah
obtuse halo
but it rewards knowledge primarily
old brook
Alright final boss fully knocks DLC down a letter grade
frozen olive
like, if you have played the game a bunch adf know what's up you can take Caelid easily but like
man
languid tiger
caelid is a blasted hellscape full of oversized hyperaggressive cocaine animals
frozen olive
if you're on your first playthrough
stone cove
Even when you know, it's still terrible becuase the dogs and crows suck to fight
frozen olive
better to come back later
languid tiger
and avoiding that to go interact with the sets of caves and ruins is crucial
stone cove
and it randomly has some of the most diffuclt world bosses out there.
plush cliffBOT
honestly this has been the only thing saving us
topple ↩️
stone cove
next to some that are hilariously easy
languid tiger
because the caelid dungeons and field have fantastic loot
obtuse halo
I have gone and fought the Caelid Death Rite Bird at level 25 for early Death's Poker though
because I'm a masochist
frozen olive
pain
stone cove
Death Rite birds are such an annoying fight, but very cheeseable from torent and force feedign them holy pots or some other holy source
plush cliffBOT
getting lost and finding as many golden seeds and sacred tears as possible has saved us so much pain
languid tiger
imagine leveling faith
obtuse halo
yeah it was holy pots and sacred blade
stone cove
getting lost and finding as many golden seeds and sacred tears as possible has s...
Oh 100%
obtuse halo
you don't even need faith.
frozen olive
getting lost and finding as many golden seeds and sacred tears as possible has s...
this is a good solid path you have chosen
keep it up
golden seeds and sacred tears are top tier shit
stone cove
One of the reasons i crash caelid very earyl is because i can get at least 1 sacred tear and mutliple golden seeds
obtuse halo
yeah, sacred tears and golden seeds are some of the best things to find
stone cove
Oh, also, good news: there are more golden seeds than you need in the game.
languid tiger
getting lost and finding as many golden seeds and sacred tears as possible has s...
elden ring tip that most players notice but plenty don't: on the visible but un-filled minimap, there will be little pillars that indicate the map items
stone cove
So you dont have to find every single one.
obtuse halo
the real best haunt is weeping peninsula though, it has like three Sacred Tears
languid tiger
always good to go find those immediately
and then find the churches on that minimap
plush cliffBOT
yep! we've been hunting those down
topple ↩️
stone cove
the real best haunt is weeping peninsula though, it has like three Sacred Tears
I actually low key hate how the sacred tears are handed out. It is very erratic when you break it down.
stone cove
They're very watsonian in their placing is how i'd put it
languid tiger
limgrave (and the weeping peninsula) have a huge influx
but every other zone has one or two
modest berry
the real best haunt is weeping peninsula though, it has like three Sacred Tears
true, and it can help to not feel so lost to have a bottom to work up from
languid tiger
there's just a big Starterville™️ chunk
and then they're spooled out more consistently and slowly afterward
iirc it's 3 in liurnia, 2 in altus, 2 in mountains, 1 in caelid
which isn't that erratic
stone cove
It just feels that way to me.
obtuse halo
altus also kicks the golden seeds up a notch too
stone cove
But i amy be over stating things
obtuse halo
there are so many golden seeds in altus, holy crap
plush cliffBOT
oh, right, we wanted to ask: for ashes of war, when you make something a magic weapon (so that it does, say, 100 base damage and then also 100 magic damage), do the damage types stack?
obtuse halo
yes, but enemies do have different defenses for different damage types that will apply separately to the two damage applications
so infusions with higher total damage on paper don't always have higher damage in practice
languid tiger
for the most part, though, it's not a bad idea as long as you're infusing along your broad stat distribution
plush cliffBOT
,,,,,,, maybe we should put some points into intelligence
stone cove
I do suggest you level to 40 vigor at least
before anything else
it will make a very dramatic difference
Right now you have 652 hp at 20 vigor
at 40 vigor, you will have 1.4k.
1.45k* in fact.
It makes a huge difference in just how many hits you can take and how smoot hteh game is
plush cliffBOT
oh yea, question, is there any way to re-spec at all
modest berry
it is limited use however
stone cove
Yeah, the limited use sucks
languid tiger
you can't respec your base class, but you respec all of your invested points
stone cove
Frankly there's no shame in using c heat engine to give you unlimited respec items
because... why are they even limited?
frozen olive
respecs being limited will always bug me
obtuse halo
I have acquired the new best bow 😌
stone cove
respecs being limited will always bug me
It's one of those devs want you to have CONSQUENCES and DECISIONS
obtuse halo
Fan Shot seems neat, I need to experiment with it more though
stone cove
but in practice it's really not all that fun
languid tiger
they're not that scarce, i think there are ten or twenty in the game
frozen olive
i don't think it's unreasonable for them not to be free but being limited is just fucking annoying
languid tiger
it's not a disaster
modest berry
same with ancient stones, like id use more stuff if not for it
languid tiger
but yeah, it's not my favorite decision
stone cove
If you're a perneial optimizer, you burn them really fast
frozen olive
yeah
obtuse halo
yeah to be honest I'm not sure why it's such a big deal - I've never felt the need to use more than one on a single character, ever
stone cove
just becuase there's no better way to get a feel for things than "Test build, take out into the world, try stuffo ut, go okay this doesnt work quite like that"
frozen olive
thank you DS3 for having a bug that lets you respec infinitely 🙏
obtuse halo
but people do care
stone cove
Like i have repseced this beast claws character How many times?
frozen olive
that bug was so clutch for me ngl
stone cove
So many times.
languid tiger
oh, i just number crunch beforehand
stone cove
Number crunching isnt enough, nothing beats actual play experience
old brook
number crunch doesn't let you get the feel for something
stone cove
Number crunching gives a very very flawed perspective
old brook
hypothetically a lot of shit works really well
modest berry
song from the drive ost just came on my playlist riding torrent with the scorpion kite shield on my back 😎
stone cove
Yeah, like i've gotten more in love with b east claws as i've played more and more with them
and developed a much better sense of how they move, how they dont work, etc
like they have amazing running attacks
you can counter a lot of attacks by just charging your heavy
because it makes you duck
which leads to very comedy ANGRY BEAR moments when someone sweeps over your head and then you jump on them and coemmcxne ripping into them
spark pine
Love the beast claws
old brook
They whallop NPCs too
stone cove
or, like, one of the new incants from a boss in this - no hyper armor. Which sounds terrible. but then you figure out that the animation actually puts you in the air, and the charge is done while you're in teh air
so you can actually manipulate this to let you inteitnonalyl fly over things
then counter with a fireball dunk.
old brook
It flies higher than Aeonia too, it's actually jumping stuff
stone cove
which is amazing
modest berry
same with wing stance ive found, its so good when it happens
old brook
Aeonia hitbox feels like a prank
stone cove
Or learnign that as good as wing stance's jump is - and it's incredible, fyi - if you get hit while airborne
you comedy slam intyo the ground
it's hilarious.
old brook
Honestly sometimes the air dunk is better because you don't get combo'd
stone cove
or that while Wing Stance cannot chain it's Heavy stance attack into it's light... it can do the revesrse - you can go Light Stance and instantl;y follow up with a heavy or second light stance attack
There's just so many little things that crunching numbers doesnt tell you
obtuse halo
or, like, one of the new incants from a boss in this - no hyper armor. Which sou...
Which one? I never noticed that with the ones I tried
languid tiger
sure, but the numbers part of the build is something i always solve beforehand
and tinkering is mostly like
stone cove
Which one? I never noticed that with the ones I tried
||Messmer's Orb||
languid tiger
"oh, hm, i need to change this once or twice"
obtuse halo
Oh i see
old brook
The only math I've ever really done is carry weight
stone cove
Do wish the dunk had more range and more tracking though
obtuse halo
that's important math to do
stone cove
it's very e asy to comedy fail.
obtuse halo
meanwhile most of the tinkering I do is just fashion
stone cove
I actually ahve equip load to spare on this build, but it's because well a: fashion, and b: because i wanted the longer stamina bar
obtuse halo
incidentally, I've done most of specimen storehouse, and I feel confident in saying: fighting fire knights with a bow sucks ass lmao
they have way more poise than you'd think
stone cove
Fire knights are werid, because they also have less than you'd think?
obtuse halo
and even with lightbow's relatively generous snapshots, fire serpent will getcha
stone cove
Like the stuff that staggers them staggers the crap out of them
but the stuff that doesnt, they'll just counter msack you for so much damage
obtuse halo
yeah I had my first nonboss death in a while and it's because I got stuck on a corner and then promply blended by a dagger knight
stone cove
Beast Claws vs them is very funny because the heavies and the savage claws combo massively stagger them
so most fights are them going OH GOD A FERAL BEAR HEL-
and then dying.
while you get increaisngly gore covererd
obtuse halo
Bow-only continues to be suffering, but I will say giving these jerks a taste of their own medicine from outside their maximum range is quite satisfying.
yeah i'm really interested in checking out the beast claws when I either finish bow-only or take a break from it to maintain my sanity
stone cove
They're a really engaging weapon, just the amount of depth avaible
Even tehir jump attacks have some uses, thogu thehy arent great
obtuse halo
I'm debating if I want to give PK another shot next and hopefully not embarrass myself as much, or just fight Messmer
languid tiger
took me looking up the dlc bosses to remember who pk was
which is wack, i really liked that fight
obtuse halo
oh, it's a great fight. I did it first try my first time through, with a split caster (discus of light bullies it)
it is more problematic with a pure archer
languid tiger
no no i was just saying it was weird that i forgot it
modest berry
i cant wait to fight him for real next time, i nearly one shot him 😬 so id be interested to see what he can do
stone cove
How'd you nearly one shot him? massive holy damage?
modest berry
charged r2 holy buffed black steel greathammer, flame grant me strength
stone cove
Uhm,. Hmm. Yes.
obtuse halo
My guess was going to be a super buffed up Multilayered Ring of Light
stone cove
Yes, i can see why that might cause... Issues.
languid tiger
unrelated, it's kinda wacky to me that the powerstanced h2h moveset is just straight up the dryleaf arts 2h
stone cove
Yeah, it's a strange one
There's defintely some misses iwth the dlc weapons
like for instnace
languid tiger
very interesting mixup moveset, but very weird
old brook
They gave it Gohan's air pressure wave dealie instead
golden pond
Fire is faith and str c:
obtuse halo
Magma Shot requires 10 faith, I guess. Technically.
I don't think this is a huge ask on most builds but I guess versatility does have a price
golden pond
I'm mostly just mad that there's weapons that have int scaling
And then don't scale good with int
languid tiger
I really wanted an int fire weapon or two
golden pond
Honestly, reason we don't have one is probably cause cold is int
frozen olive
i have never played anything but Wretch and i regret nothing
frozen olive
it's literally just the best class
i can't not pick it
anything else just feels like a downgrade
stone cove
It depends on what you're doing. for specific builds it's absolotuey not the best calss
old brook
And Elden Ring is so open you can just kinda go get some stuff
You're not slogging through anywhere
stone cove
like going for 125/150 builds
junior spade
I like starting with heavy armor
stone cove
Depending on your stat spread and needs, vagabond/samurai have less wasted stats etc
but it's flexaiblity is great
frozen olive
i don't care about specific level builds so i has never mattered to me to pick any specific class
which is why i exclusively play Wretch
stone cove
It is at least really fun to start off naked and going HIT WITH CLUB
and watchign your armor slowly develop as you get drops and find stuff
modest berry
i saw a you have to use anything you pick up randomized challenge run and i want to do that so bad once i can mod
modest berry
im on ps5 yeah
languid tiger
Depending on your stat spread and needs, vagabond/samurai have less wasted stats...
I think hero and vagabond are usually the most optimal for pure phys
stone cove
I think hero and vagabond are usually the most optimal for pure phys
Samurai is also really good
And is ahead for Dex builds
old brook
Prophet's great for mixed faith stuff, weirdly more than confessor
stone cove
Confessor starts with better drip though
stone cove
Valid
One of my cats is grumpy i wont play games wit hehr, so she's sleeping on my mouse pad
the fool does not realzie i'm using my c ontroller
golden pond
what's the ebst startign class if i wanna be silly vergil boi with moonveil
and/or starlined sword
i assume ust samurai cause dex
stone cove
Samurai or Wretch will treat you well
PRsioner is actually very good for this
You dont start with a katana, but you start with 14 dex, 14 int
old brook
And the dirtiest shirt in the world
stone cove
per the wiki
"This class' stats are optimized for:
Strength/Intelligence hybrid builds where Dexterity does not need raising any higher. If more Dexterity is required, it becomes tied Samurai.
Dexterity/Intelligence hybrid builds where required Strength is between 10 and 12. Any lower, Astrologer becomes optimal. Any higher, it ties with Samurai
"
So... prisoner is perfect, basically
SLS is 10 str, moonveil is 12 str.
golden pond
omg actual int scaling on a magic damage weapon
crazy shit
alas
i need dex for starlined sword
cause that shit does not go over D scaling in Int
stone cove
The worst bit of parrying the ||Aging Untoiuchable|| is the stupid amount of time it takes between attempts. becuase you ahve to run back, and then wait for htem to do thelir teleport, and then hopoe you get it right this time
it's very aggrivating
golden pond
The worst bit of parrying the ||Aging Untoiuchable|| is the stupid amount of tim...
look at it this way
once you parry them once
you can kill them, cause they're vulnerable while gettingup
languid tiger
huh, I didn't think their attack was that hard to parry
I got em all first try except the first, I think
are you rawdogging it with a regular shield, or do you have buckler parry/one of the special ones?
stone cove
One of hte pseical ones. I just tend to twitch too fast on it
like i know the parry timing and i'm pretty sure i just drove them all exitinct
but my brain tends to see motion and fire the parry off autoamtically, ro slightyl too late
languid tiger
that makes sense, yeah
golden pond
It turns out Fan Shot is pretty good
8 arrows used but only 2 need to hit for full damage
it's good for quick shots but god it sucks you can't use all arrows for damage
languid tiger
bow only seems hard as fuck, but by everything I've seen you've aced it the whole way through
real impressive
stone cove
that makes sense, yeah
It's the same reason i hate the delayed attacks
because my brain goes "okay, they're attacking" and rolls automatically
golden pond
because my brain goes "okay, they're attacking" and rolls automatically
oh wind up, okay
swing, dodge perfect
swing, dodge perfect
delayed swing, get hit
get hit immediatley after cause it's a roll catch
obtuse halo
bows aren't good per se but they definitely have a certain versatility and a few upsides you can use to your advantage
golden pond
congrats, that's all the bosses in the fucking dlc
languid tiger
because my brain goes "okay, they're attacking" and rolls automatically
decisiveness and deliberateness!
warrior, becalm thyself
golden pond
I have decided to delibaretely alt f4
obtuse halo
bows aren't good per se but they definitely have a certain versatility and a few...
(in this case: I came packing a pile of Golden Arrows which do holy damage)
stone cove
i remain in awe at just how good the game desxign of Tackle is, and the way it transformed Greatswrod in such a good way
taking it from a very one note, one build "Do draw-charge attacks" playstyle, to a weapon that has this really intricate depth
at teh same time while maininting "Charge, then SMASH EM GOOD"
stone cove
and it's just.. suuch a simple little move. "Oh, you can cancel any charged attack to do a very short dash foward, that inherits the charge and does damage based of it, and has hyper armor d uring the charge"
stone cove
I never liked GS until World.
I actually disliked it come Rise because the loss of the slingshot and the increase in speed really hurt the stlye i liked to play.
languid tiger
I fucking love world swaxe
stone cove
(In Iceborne you could use the slingshot bursts to re-aim mid combo, which made it a really fluid weapon. also it wasnt as crazy fast paced as Rise/Sunbreak was)
obtuse halo
I'm lost
stone cove
so i went back to Dual BLades, because I am Become Blender, Consumer of Calories.
obtuse halo
"Wait, I don't know any of these elden ring terms, have I gone mad?"
stone cove
despite people keep trying to claim tehy're the same
stone cove
Most of hte overlap is they're both diffuclt games that are third person action games
languid tiger
just in similarly different ways
stone cove
I would like from to learn some stuff from Monster Hunter's camera though
golden pond
swagxe gaming
stone cove
because my god is the camera so much better in those games (at least, once you're used to it)
the From Soft camera is very frustrating
obtuse halo
Most of hte overlap is they're both diffuclt games that are third person action ...
"is that not the definition of a soulslike?" ~ insufferable internet people
stone cove
"is that not the definition of a soulslike?" ~ insufferable internet people
When i was younger, angrier, and stupider, i had a real grudge against dark souls as a series, because i'd been playing monster hunter all that time, and so knew it was a much fairer, much less gimmicky (Like i love souls and all, but it often does rely on going LOL GOTCHA for it's diffuclty in a very trollface dm sort of way) series wtih really engaging gameplay, but it just kinda got ignored in the west outside of a very dedicated but small fanbase
and then World happened and it blew the hell up
languid tiger
ehhh
stone cove
really funny, i rember me and a bunch of other Mon hun fans being really worried when we saw the first world previews and were like oh, is this dumbing stuff down and making it too autopilot
languid tiger
I think you're just very used to a different type of gimmick
because I would never describe monhun as "less gimmicky"
junior spade
I think you're being a little unfair haha
stone cove
and no, it turned out to be a really smart cutting a ton of cruft
languid tiger
just very differently gimmicky
stone cove
In terms of gimmick i'm thinking of stuff like... the Skeleball in Catacombs of Carthus
whcih is, to be clear, hilarious
but the gimmick works once, whe nyou dont know what's coming
and you thiink oh i dodged the bou- WHY IS IT COMING BACK UP STAIRS.
golden pond
In terms of gimmick i'm thinking of stuff like... the Skeleball in Catacombs of ...
PEAK
languid tiger
that's the level design of an exploratory/"platforming" series
stone cove
But after that it's just not really a surprise or interesting as a gimmick, it's quite boring
obtuse halo
dark souls is definitely a game that rewards knowledge and sometimes that knowledge is "oh yeah there's a cheap shot around that corner"
stone cove
Yeah, i think cheap shot might have been a better term than gimmick?
Like by the same token Nibblesnarf's "Feed it bomb barrels" is a gimmick
and a very, very funny Gimmick
god i hope they bring back nibblesnarf in Wilds
languid tiger
monhun def has its own "oh, this guy can just blast me instantly with this attack" kind of stuff, esp. if you don't know your stuff on armor and resistances
it's just more of a boss rush style of game
than fromsoft's traversal + boss cycle
stone cove
esp now they've solved the skeleton issues that kept Levithans out of World/Iceborne
stone cove
monhun def has its own "oh, this guy can just blast me instantly with this attac...
Yeah, it bothers me less because the entire game is basically a boss rush, so it's all about learning how to turn the level agaisnt the boss
Perhaps a better way is ludonarrtive dissonace - i ont get anywhere near as much from Monster Hunter, which explictly plays up a lot more screwball comedy and other elements
than i do for Fromsoft's stuff which often go very I AM GRIM AND SERIOUS also here is a skeleton man in a wheel doing a cheap shot on you
(though, i mean, like, sickwheelie. Justice for skeletonwheel)
why was he not in elden ring.
Where's our Skeleton Wheel boss fight.
It may just be that MonHun as a series "clicks" b etter for me.
Which obviously makes it the Morally Superior, Ehtically Superior, and all around better game for all time. nod nod
😛
junior spade
stone cove
.,..Okay, ir eally would like the fanbase here to stop hyping up the Erdtree dlc as "Elden ring 2"
like it's big, but it's really not That big.
Limgrave sized (miyzaki's estimae) is pretty accuate. It's reasonbly dense
but you can actually get through stuff quite fast when you know where you're going
tropic stream
It's not elden ring 2, but 'Limgrave-sized' is honestly an understatement
It's Limgrave and Liurnia tbh
vivid spire
It’s vertically dense
And it took me the whole launch week to get to the final boss
But I got there
modest berry
a lot of its a little empty though ive found
stone cove
I dont actually mind it being empty at points too much
like i think the Ubisoft every incfh musth ave soemthing hurts things
though i'd maybe prefer a little more BotW/ToTK ability to find stuff
junior spade
it is only empty if you do not appreciate surroundings and visual energy
stone cove
I'd love to see a heat map of how people itneract with the game
modest berry
it is only empty if you do not appreciate surroundings and visual energy
not like that i mean i love that stuff a ton! i just mean like, ||finger ruins|| for instance has like, one thing
modest berry
I'd love to see a heat map of how people itneract with the game
i want to see a heat map for me too so i can see where i didnt go
junior spade
i liked heroes path in zelda for that
stone cove
BoTW and ToTK remain some of my absolotue favourite open world experinces
i lvoe them b oth dearly
Boss spoilers ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRArIUQZyU4|| The real way to take down The Commander.
stone cove
Those things are so rude.
obtuse halo
Boss spoilers ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRArIUQZyU4|| The real way to ta...
This can't be real. I have never seen that boss stop attacking for any reason, actually giving the player a turn to get charged R2s in is completely unbelievable 😛
frozen olive
Boss spoilers ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRArIUQZyU4|| The real way to ta...
bro does not know that Miyazaki uses mimic tear
golden pond
Boss spoilers ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRArIUQZyU4|| The real way to ta...
where mimic
real shadow
I think it's taking the piss out of all the tryhards saying using summons or armor or leveling isn't "beating the game."
frozen olive
Thank you Michael Zaki for being so fucking based and telling all the tryhard gatekeepers to fuck off by playing the game the way they say is bad
we would simply use all of the cool mechanics the game gives us
incredible stuff
mellow silo
The one (1) time I can say Thank You Mijazaki unironically
obtuse halo
yes absolutely use every dirty trick you can think of
they give you these things to use them!
old brook
Except some of them where you only get three ever, those are cruel pranks
Those are toys for your clone
obtuse halo
lol yeah it's actually a great bit that you can kit mimic tear with that
give your mimic tear a divine blessing
mellow silo
Yup, never use limited stuff yourself, use Mimic Tear always
old brook
"must be NICE"
obtuse halo
it'll enjoy that full heal as much as it wants
golden pond
walk into boss
die a lot
"this is bs, unbalanced"
yeah goober, you're not using an ash 😔
old brook
I wouldn't mind like a half second window before knowing a boss will jump on my skull
modest berry
||senneseax|| is so dogshit
frozen olive
you are
old brook
Getting ||Igon|| summoned is often a hell of a thing
mellow silo
Give that mimic tear ||Blessing of Marika||, some Arteria Leaf perfumes, and some Raw Meat Dumplings, and then absolutely wreck shop
You don't have to fight Senny though?
frozen olive
Getting ||Igon|| summoned is often a hell of a thing
one of the many reasons that people who tell you not to summon suck
and one of the better ones
languid tiger
it definitely removes most of the difficulty, but not everyone plays the game for the difficulty
mellow silo
You only have to fight the two dueling drakes, you can run past Senny with no consequences, very easily
languid tiger
and there's still plenty left
modest berry
fuck ||Sennessax||
im putting a single point in arcane so i can rot breath his ass
frozen olive
i still had plenty difficulty with every boss while summoning lol
mellow silo
I care not, Limited Consumables so I will never use them ever
frozen olive
i got past every boss without malding my fucking brains out
so really
who is winning
obtuse halo
fwiw my rule for summons in bow only is they're allowed as long as the summons are archers
lol
modest berry
i didnt summon in base game, but i probably would have had more fun,,, im pretty good but i malded a good amount remember, its not cowardly to accept help from your freinds and allies
obtuse halo
So Latenna, Redmane Knight Ogha, Dolores the Sleeping Arrow, and a couple others
vivid spire
Senny is a container for ancient dragon smithing stones
Is sennessaxs incantation good
mellow silo
Igon winning once again
frozen olive
Shadow of the Erdtree explicitly wants you to use summons even more than the base game, they give you an entire mechanic almost exclusively to make Summons viable
old brook
Doesn't have one
mellow silo
Senny doesn't drop an Incant I don't think
frozen olive
no incantation
vivid spire
Oh
mellow silo
Just upgrade materials
old brook
Also we're on the same team
mellow silo
I also skipped that, no point in fighting that dingus
golden pond
i killed him out of spite
frozen olive
i did kill later but only cause i could
dropped aeonia on that bitch and me and dung eater tag teamed
mellow silo
Also we're on the same team
Senny rebelled with Bayle, it's explained in the Red Lightning Pot I believe
modest berry
only ancient smithing
i have finish brain i need to do it now so i never have to do it later 🤬
frozen olive
Senny rebelled with Bayle, it's explained in the Red Lightning Pot I believe
||The ancient dragons who betrayed their lord to side with a tyrant were known for wielding branching red lightning.||
yup
||Branching in this case being able to be translated from japanese as spreading or propagating, aka Sennessax's bitch ass water lightning that works on land||
what a fucker
real shadow
old brook
Dlc should have had Even Larger Orb
languid tiger
this took a while
modest berry
this took a while
whuh?! rocket fisto
old brook
No, no they can drop those? Cursed, I have so much innate discovery and not a thing
I have so many goddamn militia hats
languid tiger
it took me several hours on and off of farming
old brook
Utter tragedy
I assume they have like ||Star Fist|| moves but with special charge attack
old brook
That is how fists feel into that boss honestly A+ very immersive
Giant Fire Katana though, he hated that
real shadow
Flaming Strike crescent moon axe made short work of'em.
As did just...throwing fire spells.
old brook
I have to assume Giantsflame is almost instant stagger
Thing is a cannon
Great Chaos Fireball is a stalwart companion
real shadow
Flame, Fall Upon Them did great damage if you're close enough.
Just shotgun the fucker from 5ft away and watch a third of its health bar disappear.
golden pond
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825155431562215435/1257658146474823690/...
big mood
old brook
That was such a good update, instantly became one of my favorites
tropic stream
Random
But I submit, based on the relative difficulties with which I fought ||Gaius||, that Strength builds are the easy mode over magic builds
My Strength build flattened him in like four tries
old brook
Jumping Heavy has been a gamechanger for strength i think
frozen olive
https://fxtwitter.com/cantgitgud/status/1807807486277398571
i fought this idiot with ||Midra's Frenzied Flame|| and it was hilarious
tropic stream
I didn't even jump
old brook
The whole deal used to be a lot clunkier
frozen olive
i managed to kill the first phase with a single cast one time which was crazy
old brook
Ohe well I'll die then
steel scroll
i face-rolled him and only died cus i ||didnt expect round 3||
tropic stream
Okay wait that's not true, I jumped in when I ran up to him to initiate
junior spade
yeah, he was among the easier bosses for me; but ive seen folk have an easy time against ||Scadutree Avatar ||but he took me over 50 tries
tropic stream
In reality it depends on the boss
stone cove
Yay, one shot the ||Scadutree Avatar||
stone cove
That isi n fact
tropic stream
Have a fire incant
stone cove
what i just did to him
junior spade
i was full melee
stone cove
Fire serpent is really mean
junior spade
so i was having a Bad Time
tropic stream
oofus
junior spade
but eventually i got it all learned and figured out
stone cove
I acutally took him out on a melee build just fine the first itme i foguiht im as well
junior spade
the real pain was just the bleed
stone cove
Wing stance stays winning >.>
old brook
Fire Serpent is quietly a really good spell tbh
junior spade
i did not find wing stance until i beat the dlc hahaha
but also dont care too much for milady
stone cove
Fire Serpent is quietly a really good spell tbh
Between Multilayer Disc, Fire Serpent and Knight's Lighting, incanations got a really nice spread of offensive spells
tropic stream
Milady is honestly my fav dlc weapon
stone cove
even Golden Arcs is really good
tropic stream
love me a dextrous longsword
stone cove
I think that's one of the major complaitns everoyne has with teh dlc
that the new weapons are so cool and we got so few options for htem
mellow silo
We need more infusible Light Greatsword
stone cove
Give me a version of milday that's a Bokken.
mellow silo
And of course more than one (1) throwing dagger
stone cove
no slash damage, just strike
stone cove
And of course more than one (1) throwing dagger
Throwing dagger bothers me less because there's a quite wide variety of throwables
though it's the only one that's throwable on the entire moveset
tropic stream
Give me a version of milday that's a Bokken.
Weeb
(is also a weeb cuz immediately made a build for star-lined)
tropic stream
lol fair
to be clear, not trying to be disparaging xD
I am also a weeb in this dlc
Also (dlc story spoilers) ||I may put Florissax to sleep, I don't want her to die lmao||
halcyon cobalt
Considering how much people are gushing about the new light greatsword category, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it only has one weapon?
dusty kraken
2
limpid peak
3
old brook
3.5
tropic stream
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
old brook
A ghost
tropic stream
||BAYLE|| FIRST TRY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!
halcyon cobalt
Someone get the holy damage
tropic stream
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
opaque canopy
Spoilered for boss headpiece. I abandoned this drip to go back to my zamor + cleanrot getup but I chucked this together the other night when I got Red Bear's Claw
frozen olive
did you ||summon Igon?||
tropic stream
did you ||summon Igon?||
||WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS!!!||
frozen olive
||***WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS!!!***||
||WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING||
tropic stream
(yes)
old brook
Love how ||he gives us first billing, true friend||
frozen olive
||BEHOLD, A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR. AND I, IGON!||
frozen olive
Love how ||he gives us first billing, true friend||
||Greatest hype man since Godfrey, The First Elden Lord himself||
old brook
||THERE IS LIFE IN ME YET, KNOW THIS, I WILL FEAST UPON YOUR HEART|||
old brook
Being all dragon communion felt great, now let us have an ending
frozen olive
how much arcane do you have
tropic stream
None, but I'm asking cuz I do be considering changing to a dex/arcane build off this bossfight lmao
old brook
Lightning kind of occupies the same space as a few incants so it's awkward
Haven't tried other v-v
frozen olive
you need to mainline arcane like it's crack to actually do anything with either of those choices
old brook
Also best phase shift in the game
frozen olive
both are sick though
modest berry
got ||senneseax|| for the last like 30 seconds he made no attacks, me and him just prowling in a circle as his doom ticked down
frozen olive
good
old brook
realized the folly of their choices
modest berry
got ||senneseax|| for the last like 30 seconds he made no attacks, me and him ju...
||am i tripping i remember ancient dragons, like ,,, letting you hit their heads at all after certain attacks this guy almost nothing ||
tropic stream
All right (dlc spoilers) ||time to burn another tree||
obtuse halo
Big Sunflower Boi is an absolute joke against fire builds
I just fought this Bow-only
I brought a stack of fire arrows and it sure did help 😛
frozen olive
it's the most obvious weakness of all time
obtuse halo
ignore that I burned through the entire stack, all of my flasks, and most of my hp
frozen olive
but it doesn't make it any less hilarious
frozen olive
a win is a win
atomic marsh
Wait what the fuck is that
frozen olive
?
languid tiger
god, i hate how few people seem to be collecting scadutree fragments
atomic marsh
I beat the DLC and I don't know what that area is
frozen olive
god, i hate how few people seem to be collecting scadutree fragments
it's genuinely insane to me that people don't have fragments
atomic marsh
@tropic stream @frozen olive @old brook ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufAmIBRFohM||
frozen olive
I beat the DLC and I don't know what that area is
boss arena
||it's one of the more lore important bosses in the game due to an item it drops||
languid tiger
people crutch on summons i guess
and don't realize that their inverse stat bloat is just
too low
frozen olive
you have to be crazy to not actually invest time into the leveling mechanic
atomic marsh
How do you GET there
modest berry
"this is so bullshit" : ( " guy who is doing the final boss at +6
frozen olive
How do you GET there
||it's under Shadow Keep iirc||
languid tiger
How do you GET there
||drain the swamp||
||east side of shadow keep, making your way around the village||
atomic marsh
Son of a
modest berry
"this is so bullshit" : ( " guy who is doing the final boss at +6
like it is kinda bullshit but theres extenuating circumstances here
languid tiger
did you not hit the right side of the map?
atomic marsh
I did!
I went through the top!
Why is there like 900 esoteric hidden pathways in Shadow Keep I swear to GOD
frozen olive
that's the whole dlc tbh
languid tiger
big dungeon
atomic marsh
Messmer is irredeemable because he's a cunt of an architecht.
frozen olive
the way to get to this one is in ||the chapel in the middle of the shadow keep, right at the back||
atomic marsh
||With the small erdtree that has the talisman on it?||
frozen olive
i think it's near there
if you run around down ||in the bottom section of the shadow keep area, in the courtyard, you can find a church with a fire guy in it, kill him then run to the back of the church and there should be a small door nestled between two big stairs going up, open the door and progress through there for the area||
once you get to the ||door at the back of the church, the path literally leads directly to the boss||
vid tutorial
atomic marsh
I'm-a so-a mad
obtuse halo
it's a remembrance boss and everything!
I found this one on my own early, the stuff I had trouble finding was Abyssal Woods and the Back Gate
atomic marsh
The Abyssal Woods sucked so much
That one area was so bad that I genuinely dropped the DLC a letter grade.
obtuse halo
Huh. I actually quite liked the change of pace
frozen olive
honestly i didn't think that place was bad at all
funny little break from beating the world to death and setting everything on fire
obtuse halo
and I felt very clever when I just cast Unseen Form and waltzed through unmolested
frozen olive
got to queue up Snake Eater and just ball
golden pond
stealth is a vital part of metal gear online
frozen olive
Snake Eater is my favourite song so that was quite good
atomic marsh
You can't put a FORCED STEALTH section in a game like this!
frozen olive
You can't put a FORCED STEALTH section in a game like this!
i mean
they did
and they have
obtuse halo
i mean, it isn't strictly forced anyway
golden pond
You can't put a FORCED STEALTH section in a game like this!
well ti's not
frozen olive
you can also just go invisible
obtuse halo
you can parry them!
frozen olive
or use mimic veil
golden pond
parry time
atomic marsh
I did parry them.
old brook
You can also just sprint and dodge if you get impatient
frozen olive
or kill the Aging Untouchables
obtuse halo
or use mimic veil, or go invisible...
old brook
That was my move
frozen olive
you can do like, multiple different things honestly
golden pond
parry > shank
repeatedly shank as they get up
or just run
i ran
torrent a pussy 4 real tho
old brook
running is however: scary
frozen olive
torrent a pussy 4 real tho
strong disagree
golden pond
strong disagree
wtf is he scared of, rats?
frozen olive
||there are things there that can literally kill Torrent permanently||
old brook
Yeah this is ||the only thing in the world that can kill him||
golden pond
||there are things there that can literally kill Torrent permanently||
||like?||
old brook
||Frenzy burns everything. Spirits are included in everything.||
obtuse halo
||the frenzied flame is definitely capable of destroying Torrent for real||
frozen olive
||but yeah frenzy can literally just kill spirits, which Torrent notably is||
golden pond
|| 
oh no, some madness procs! bitch had no issue in frenzied village getting blasted by the tower but is scared of some wood ||
frozen olive
||and that's literally a frenzy forest full of frenzy enemies, doing frenzy things||
obtuse halo
||in the frenzied flame ending, Melina somberly digs torrent's calling ring out of the ash||
golden pond
||if frenzy so scary, why torrent still loyal when i get touched by the fingis||
frozen olive
||it's the single most deadly place in creation for Torrent||
frozen olive
||if frenzy so scary, why torrent still loyal when i get touched by the fingis||
||Presumably Torrent does not like, specifically know you've dipped into the madness and plan to burn the world?||
languid tiger
he wasn't there when you did the thing
frozen olive
||The Abyssal Woods is like, so saturated with frenzy that it's coming out of the fucking WALLS||
||literally everything from wildlife to enemies there is frenzied||
golden pond
||coward||
frozen olive
||the fucking trees might as well be spitting frenzy flame for how saturated that hellhole is, it makes sense that Torrent would be able to feel that and dip||
kind garden
Also have we considered that ||Torrent may be a little more concerned with the Aged Ones and their matured, final-form Frenzy attacks than some guys who got really sad and started shooting fire out of their eyes||
frozen olive
Also have we considered that ||Torrent may be a little more concerned with the A...
||that too, the Aging Untouchables are like, premium fucked up super frenzy||
atomic marsh
||Also Torrent being gone makes that area also suuper upleasant||
frozen olive
it's a bit of a nuisance
atomic marsh
||Especially because it's just Wide Open Terrain With Nothing Happening for most of it||
||I wouldn't be remotely upset about it if it was just a dungeon||
||But it feels like a huge time waster for no real reason||
limpid peak
that area would hit way less hard if you could use torrent
it would be ||just one more frenzy area||
golden pond
snooze fest of an area
old brook
I blame a lack of immersion! >:0
golden pond
i think it's just cause shadowkeep was before it
old brook
Thought it was stellar
golden pond
which was also a snooez fest
and probably cause i was getting tired of picking up new weapons and them not being that great for int
halcyon cobalt
limpid peak
shame you didn't like it
halcyon cobalt
Turning Point goldmask
golden pond
i liked a lot of the first bits of the dlc
golden pond
it just all kinda fell off hard for me when every boss decided to have a bunch of 6 hti combos with varried timings and roll catches constantly
and the int weapon problem
limpid peak
the whole specimen storage area was cool as hell
old brook
Varied enemies, that 'you are a weird little speck in the halls of Godhood' enormity
junior spade
Visual feast, rewarded for exploration, multiple routes and angles
limpid peak
especially when I found the back entrance
golden pond
honestly, it's probably just my depression talking
old brook
I entered through the ||Side, from Bonny Village|| first and spent a good portion wondering where the ||Hippo|| everyone fought was
junior spade
Depression Swamp is the hardest swamp to counter
golden pond
every disappointment felt like the biggest one yet 😭
mellow silo
Love when fromsoft said "I heard you liked legacy dungeons" and then legacy dungeoned across the whole map
golden pond
legacy dungeon peak
peak open world is legacy dungeons connected to each other so torrent doesn't get to exist
steep wing
ignore that I burned through the entire stack, all of my flasks, and most of my ...
Not gunna lie, the skirt skirt drift attack was the funniest thing on the whole DLC
kind garden
Moore is Tyler1???
tropic stream
||burning tree will skip a lot of quests and block em||
I have done every sidequest that is effed with by that
I am literally missing one fragment fml
frozen olive
pain
i mean i would say that it's fine, you realistically do not need to max the fragments, but there is also that completionist urge
which i definitely felt when i was gathering all of them myself
frozen olive
fair
tropic stream
To make it pretty round number
frozen olive
honestly like, stat wise you if you get to 16 it doesn't really matter much
tropic stream
found it
frozen olive
big
i'm currently doing some jolly co-operation
bored so i am helping others
it's what Solaire would have wanted 🙏
bruh
what the fuck
bro had such low scadu ||he got two shot by gaius||
what the fuck are these people cooking
frozen olive
bro had such low scadu ||he got two shot by gaius||
||not even by like, any of the strong attacks, just a normal hit||
literally died like 5 seconds into the fight
frozen olive
no amount of Jolly co-operation is going to help if you die 5 seconds into the fight from the third attack the boss does
they even summoned two co-operators like that was going to somehow change things
that just means all of us are dying in two hits and the boss is like twice as strong
frail sky
Has this exact thing happened before? I’m getting deja vu here
frozen olive
ok this new person at least had a half decent scadu level
obtuse halo
Oof. Okay ||gaius|| with bow is pure pain
obtuse halo
Yeah i’m not shocked, just disappointed
frail sky
Huh, I would’ve assumed the rolling attacks would be good against him
obtuse halo
Pfft still not enough to have openings
frozen olive
the boss themes in this dlc are so fucking good
frail sky
I guess the issue is more that he’s fucking ||Gaius||
obtuse halo
You just get bulldozed if you stop rolling at any point
old brook
The bosses in the dlc sure do.. set the pace
frozen olive
if you're not summoning you gotta roll with the punches, and sometimes even then
old brook
Basically praying to rng on the Final Encounter
frozen olive
the final boss isn't that bad
def possible to just skill it, just haaaaaaard
especially if you want to have co-operators, cause they gotta carry a lot of damage or have some kind of maxhp% damage
damn these hosts of fingers dying like flies
doesn't matter how good i am at this i don't have enough time to help with the fight
obtuse halo
I might straight up need more scadu level
frozen olive
wouldn't surprise me
obtuse halo
Or regular level. I am at 150
frail sky
How
obtuse halo
Also you can only lock onto the dude
golden pond
*How*
because int is fucking busted if you just go Ranni greatsword, Ranni hat, carian staff, godrick icon adn just hold R2 and throw ranni moons at the fucker
obtuse halo
IE the small part of the boss that jerks around constantly
golden pond
congrats, 10% magic damage boost from moon hitting, 20% defence shred when cold procs, 10% boost from staff and 10% boost from hat
frail sky
Making ||Igon|| look like a fucking wimp
golden pond
godrick icon is naother like 15% on charged R2s
i'm literaly walking around with 50% more damage than usual
lmao
frozen olive
how scadu is reasonable for ||Gaius||
kind garden
hypermode (ver. magic)
kind garden
how scadu is reasonable for ||Gaius||
I did it at like +14
frozen olive
the highest i've seen so far was like
+11
keep feeling like my damage game is weak
but i've been feeling that the whole dlc ngl
kind garden
if you're not dealing appreciable amounts of damage to a boss, go get more scadutree blessing
frozen olive
absolutely no idea
golden pond
go slap a fire knight in shadowkeep
or lmk where you are so i can slap an enemy in your area
frozen olive
AR is sitting at 1812 which should be good
golden pond
yeah no that's fine lmoa
then again, i am getting like 40% damage buff for existing as a Ranni Simp
so i'm also at around 1800-ish
probably more wtih terra magica because HWEEZE
frozen olive
using flock talisman+fire scorpion+gravel talisman for my knights lightning which seems to be hitting at around 2k per cast at like scadu 10-11
frail sky
Fully charged?
frozen olive
i probably oughta be using some kind of status but i specced into a fire caster before the dlc came out and that ended up not being lovely
frail sky
(Also fire scorpion?)
obtuse halo
if you're not dealing appreciable amounts of damage to a boss, go get more scadu...
Well this is normal for bows 😛
frozen olive
gravel talisman, flock, lightning scorpion and 60 faith should be decent
frail sky
What’s the incant scaling on it?
obtuse halo
Gluh. Latenna is real bad here. She helps up until he decides to charge her and just applies damage ticks until she dies
signal harness
I think I should maybe consult a guide for scadu fragments
My policy of wandering the map saying I'm gonna avoid doing bosses to find them and then going "fuck it" at every challenge and not leaving to look for fragments is not the best routing haha
obtuse halo
I think he’s also either immune to or very resistant to bleed because it just isn’t happening
frozen olive
are these people wearing like
light armor with every possible damage taking debuff
why are they dying so quickly
frozen olive
damn
frail sky
What’s the incant scaling on it?
Hmm 282 apparently. That should be fine, not much different from the 292 I’ve been using
golden pond
oh and magic scorpion charm
frozen olive
best incant scaling talisman i have is clawmark
frail sky
It’s probably just boss scaling or something then
frozen olive
at 292
also i checked and a fully charged knights lightning spear hit for like, 2.7k at i think it was around 11 scadu
golden pond
at Mr Fireknights?
frozen olive
||Gaius||
golden pond
ah
old brook
That's what he gets for wearing armor
languid tiger
bro had such low scadu ||he got two shot by gaius||
i'm fuckin feeling this, yeah
golden pond
Perishment be upon thee, foul beast
obtuse halo
Okay, is there even a consistent way to not get hit by the charge? Even lightroll through and left isn’t working
languid tiger
or i take a scratch and it's 40% of my bar
languid tiger
Okay, is there even a consistent way to not get hit by the charge? Even lightrol...
on gaius?
obtuse halo
Yeah.
languid tiger
i have no idea how you're getting hit by the charge while rolling
the tracking isn't very good
obtuse halo
It works like 40% of the time
old brook
Bloodhound or Raptor are the age old solutions
languid tiger
i roll it with midroll like
frail sky
Okay, is there even a consistent way to not get hit by the charge? Even lightrol...
I can dodge the first one he opens with but everything after that fails
languid tiger
every time
with lag and without
you might just be rolling too early
or not sharply enough
obtuse halo
Even that isn’t working, half my attempts get blitzed down before firing a shot
languid tiger
the tracking is bad, so hurling yourself out of the way saves you
obtuse halo
It clearly is not.
golden pond
light roll can dodge through him
obtuse halo
Maybe I just need to git gud
frozen olive
also i tried out ||Messmers orb|| with the fire knight seal and it did less damage than the knights lightning which is probably just due to worse scaling
languid tiger
i think knight's lightning spear just has comically high scaling
frozen olive
it's an S-tier spell
old brook
And is a single target damage beam
( ||Orb|| could be buffed and I wouldn't complain though )
obtuse halo
light roll can dodge through him
I don’t know what sorcery you’re using. That doubleplus doesn’t work. I tried rolling a split second later than I normally would and ate shit before the animation even started
frail sky
I don’t know what sorcery you’re using. That doubleplus doesn’t work. I tried ro...
I’m pretty sure most people in this thread have had a lot of trouble with the charge
vivid spire
Arcane is nice but it still feels underpowered
obtuse halo
I honestly don’t know how i did this before
old brook
Arcane is nice but it still feels underpowered
wha
languid tiger
i'm really shocked at that, i've only ever gotten hit by the charge when i'm in full greed mode
and swinging away at unsafe points
glossy delta
It definitely was not a consistent dodge in my experience
vivid spire
I’d have to do a three way faith dex arcane to make a basic build work
golden pond
skissue 
old brook
Ohh int/arcane stuff okay that's outside my view
golden pond
don't dodge straight into him, dodge diaagonally alongside the ridah
old brook
But dragon communion seal and occult weaponry are cracked
golden pond
he'll turn and it'll move the hitbox before iframes end
frail sky
skissue <:Sippy:766040931085320212>
No I think the bow build has a lot of dex investment
vivid spire
But dragon communion seal and occult weaponry are cracked
Yeah
But like the twin blades need dex
golden pond
No I think the bow build has a lot of dex investment
be nude
vivid spire
How should I do arcane? Faith arc or something else?
I had fun with it but I’d like to try out Euphoria which is faith dex
golden pond
dont' need to level end if you just go nude
old brook
Arcane has honestly too many options to just say offhand what you ought to try, depends on what you're feeling
frail sky
Str/Arc has some pretty cool weapons
vivid spire
And I still need a slight bit of dex
vivid spire
I have eight
old brook
Can get more!
frail sky
Why
frozen olive
moons
vivid spire
vivid spire
Idk how do I do faith arcane
old brook
I'd get bored doing the same thing over and over
vivid spire
And do I absolutely need to use mimic tear mask?
golden pond
10% magic shred, 20% when cold procs, 10% from hat, 10% from staff
YEE HAW, 50% DAMAGE BUFF FOR EXISTING WEE WOO
vivid spire
It ruined my drip
frail sky
…are you respeccing over four points?
obtuse halo
I mean, at some point clearly i’m just bad if half the thread has zero issues with this fight
old brook
You super don't need the mask
obtuse halo
My last attempt got him to half
old brook
I mean, at some point clearly i’m just bad if half the thread has zero issues wi...
Oh naw that boss is evil, something is accursed with that charge
frozen olive
I mean, at some point clearly i’m just bad if half the thread has zero issues wi...
i think everyone has a problem with ||Gaius||
frail sky
Idk how do I do faith arcane
By getting the bare minimum faith requirements and putting everything else into arcane
vivid spire
I realized the dlc gives more larval tears than three
vivid spire
~~By getting the bare minimum faith requirements and putting everything else int...
…that’s it
Oh
old brook
Well depends
vivid spire
I thought it would be split evenly because I do also wanna cast other stuff
old brook
On what your requirements are
obtuse halo
All the tips are things i have tried and do not consistently work, or never work
old brook
Because faith can ask a lot
vivid spire
I wanna cast general incantations too
golden pond
I thought it would be split evenly because I do also wanna cast other stuff
minimum faith needed to cast all the spells you want
rest into arcaninum
vivid spire
My last build was a flame build and it didn’t work against ||radhan||
old brook
Raptor of the Mists was the most consistent thing I found for ||Gaius|| but bow build might not allow
obtuse halo
So either my game is personalized to be needlessly harder, or much more likely my execution is somehow incompetent
atomic marsh
I accidentally first tried ||Gaius||
golden pond
I accidentally first tried ||Gaius||
based
atomic marsh
He jumpscared me
golden pond
how do i get to him anyways
atomic marsh
||If you've found the statue that leads to all the finger ruins and top right of the map he's to the left of that||
limpid peak
I'm actually getting skill issued by Bayle, I've beat him twice no problem but now he's suddenly hard. The funny thing is, I have more scadutree this time than I did the other times
old brook
I'm actually getting skill issued by Bayle, I've beat him twice no problem but n...
I swear sometimes the bosses just decide to have brutal chains
golden pond
77 poise
vivid spire
hell yeaaa
Nice
glossy delta
This is a good setup
Personally I'd knock vigor down to 50 but I get the desire for a safety net
Like, this is what you want an arcane build to look like
vivid spire
This is a good setup
Personally I'd knock vigor down to 50 but I get the desire ...
Oh goody! Thank you!
I have decided to remove the Haligtree regalia and keep the sacred crown on
golden pond
dlc 60 vig is a life saver
vivid spire
Because at the end of the day it doesn’t matter who leads you but your own ideals
golden pond
1704 hp vs 1900 hp
vivid spire
(Also because I can’t think of new drip)
golden pond
196 more hp
vivid spire
(Brain is fried)