Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[old brook]

Yeaahh

But it's just a bummer Milady is sort of the option

for any LGS stuff

[languid tiger]

i want weapons that aren't swords with the moveset

[dusty kraken]

The issue with blocking elemetnal stuff with elemental bottles is they've only got 18 guard boost, so it's like blocking with a 1 handed sword.

[old brook]

They should have a gothic version of the sword, called Malady, of coarse

[stone cove]

I am genuinely somewhat pissed at the dlc having only one, maybe 2 variants of each new weapon (for basic infuseable options)

meanwhile there's like another 5 fucking greatswords?

[languid tiger]

yeah, i'm mostly upset that it added three or four new types of sword

and like ten new greatswords and straight swords

[old brook]

With that same boringass moveset

From DS1

[stone cove]

Correction, 3 new greatswords. two at least have interesting gimicks to them

LIzard greatsword shoots it's tongue as a heavy, and Greatsword of Solitude has super good block stats.

[languid tiger]

i do really, really like the swift spear

[old brook]

i'll say it's more than other games' dlcs have added

[languid tiger]

but i wanted like

a "swift spear" weapon class

if we were getting a spear like that

[stone cove]

It's colossal swords that have 5 options.

[dusty kraken]

Light Greatswords are so stylish.

[glossy delta]

The greatsword of solitude having rock solid block stats is neat in a post two handed sword talisman world

[stone cove]

Two of which are clones of ones in the base game,. just with different aow.

[languid tiger]

yeah, they are, i just wish they weren't swords

[old brook]

The fact that we just smash the ||Putrescent Blade|| into the ground like a gorilla vexes me

[stone cove]

In general, i wish the movests in elden ring were more fluid across the board

Half the reason light greatsword feels so good is it has very smooth chaining

and you dont pound into the ground like some kind of idiot who's never used swords before

[old brook]

Messmer's Spear v-v

like we can barely hold the damn thing

[left willow]

I haven't found a stabbing shield yet, but that thing's moveset, especially with delayed inputs looks WILD, imo

[stone cove]

Oh, Thursting Shields are broken as hell.

[left willow]

Very fluid, incredibly fun

[dusty kraken]

...huh

I just ran the math and found out the the Frenzied Flame Seal is somehow the best seal for my current character.

[stone cove]

Like they are wildly good.

[old brook]

see i like this swing on the Sword of Minos, but that's a Monster Weapon

[languid tiger]

do you want to know where the standard one is?

both thrusting shields are in ||shadow keep||

[stone cove]

Trhusting shields are both in the same area for some reason.

[languid tiger]

but one's super early and the other's around the back

[left willow]

OH OH and the LIGHT GREATSWORDS' MOVESETS ARE AT LEAST PARTIALLY INSPIRED BY MY FAVORITE GREATSWORD STYLE: MONTANTE

[dusty kraken]

Being basicly entirely pushed up by her 50 dex. XD

[stone cove]

Do remeber that certain things only scale off your faith incant scaling

[old brook]

I feel spoiled having two Hand to Hands even if they're similar

[stone cove]

Mostly weapon buffs and some of the healing spells

[dusty kraken]

Even though I expected the 20 int, 25 faith to make golden order the best. XD

[stone cove]

which may or may not be relevant to your casting

[old brook]

Also you do have to set a woman on fire about it, but she seems enthused

[dusty kraken]

Nah, this is just for 'Throwing attack spells'. As bottles are fun but don't have much reach to them. XD

[stone cove]

(It's why i'm using Gravel stone seal rather than Beast seal, because it's 20 incant scaling lower... but it's all coming from faith, so the boost to casting weapon enchants on my beast c laws is dramatic)

Frigging extra 122 fire damage from Bloodflame

[left willow]

Oh, pest threads deal massive stance damage, that's why they're good to mess up Furnace Golems

[dusty kraken]

It's not going to be a thing my character is every super good at but sometimes I just need more reach/utility than the bottles provide.

[stone cove]

Yeah, that's part of why i'm happy i went heavy into faith for str beast claws

because being able to go "Okay, fuck off and eat Knight's Lighting Spear"

is well

Good.

[dusty kraken]

Right now I mostly just use my magic for 'FIRE, MAKE MY DAMAGE STUPID!'

[left willow]

I definitely am not toying with the idea of starting a second playthrough where I go into Faith instead of Int

[dusty kraken]

Golden Vow, Fire Grant Me Bullshit, Spray Fire Bottle Everywhere works well on a lot of problems.

[stone cove]

Oh, right i shopuld be using flame grant me strength

esp if i'm already using BFB and golden vbow.. and have Old Lord's talisman

[left willow]

Flame, Grant me a Gat

[dusty kraken]

I make too many characters that are basicly 'an old RPG character of mine, in Elden Ring'

[left willow]

Nice :)

[left willow]

I would like to figure out how to make a "chain" and self buff build for my Magus and a "necromancer" build for my first 5e character I ever got to 20

[languid tiger]

a chain?

[obtuse halo]

Fun fact, if you want a slash on a spear, try Chilling Mist. It has a weapon hitbox on its animation (a horizontal sweep) and can connect for full damage + cold, on top of applying a buff and making an area hazard for enemies

[languid tiger]

as in like

a chain-whip?

[left willow]

The character used a kusarigama, so I need to find a weapon that vibes with that

[obtuse halo]

sadly Kusarigama are only for Vulgar Militia 😔

[left willow]

Maybe a chain-whip, but idk if there's something more similar

[languid tiger]

ahh

yeah, hoslow's petal whip is probably the closest thing to a kusarigama

and it ain't that close

[obtuse halo]

it's sorta goofy that the game does have full animations for kusarigama, but not for you

[left willow]

Lol, true

[languid tiger]

you'd think with all the japanese weapons, they'd add a kusarigama too

[left willow]

I might go with a sickle-style primary and a whip in the secondary

[languid tiger]

with a naginata (that's broken) i don't feel like one of those would be that much more out there

[golden pond]

Mfw Halberds

[obtuse halo]

There's also the Partizan, which has a slash on its heavy

[stone cove]

Swordspear, destroyer of all.

[obtuse halo]

oh shit yeah swordspear

which is technically a halberd but eh

[stone cove]

Swordspear is it's own very special dexy boy.

[old brook]

I just can't get over the difference between ||Messmer|| basic attacks and the Weapon Ash

[languid tiger]

eclipse shotel, maybe?

or standard shotel

oh!

nox flowing sword

always forget that exists

sickle-ish weapon that extends

[stone cove]

The one thign that bugs me is his spell has no hyper armor

and is surpsignly short range

but also if you land it even uncharged it's a hell fo a nuke

[old brook]

I've been having pretty decent luck with it but yeahhh it's easy to get knocked out

51 poise helps some

[golden pond]

Moons c:

Close range nasty spell
Have fun getting it off outside of attacks than can be jumped

[old brook]

Also I've yet to encounter an invader that knows how to handle Swift Slash

and neither do I so they're right

[stone cove]

You can parry it

but the timing is fucky.

[old brook]

yeah they can choose to delay or not too

it's RUFF

[stone cove]

and given it's iframes and how fast it comes out

it's well

bonkers.

[old brook]

Rivers of Bloodhound Step

[languid tiger]

swift slash is broken beyond belief

really needs to be gutted

[obtuse halo]

Oh that's a really good one!

[stone cove]

Even the default blindspot is nuts

[obtuse halo]

Flowing Sword or Flowing Hammer might be the vibe you want

[languid tiger]

because it's got absurd numbers, absurd speed, and afaik some iframes

[old brook]

the AOE seems much larger than it shows

[stone cove]

Yes, b oth swift slash and b lindspot have iframes

[old brook]

but maybe i'm just bad at parsing a vague cloud of lines

[left willow]

Nox seems pretty close?

[old brook]

Also clearly Fromsoft saw how well animated the Kusari was in Nioh and had to back down

[left willow]

Yeah, there's some option in here

[languid tiger]

necromancer build is pretty easy

there are plenty of death hexes, and a number of them (and ashes of war) summon idiots

[stone cove]

Greatshield soliders

just the best idiot squad you could ask for

[languid tiger]

those aren't really undead

[stone cove]

They're just so priceless to watch in action

They look close enough

[languid tiger]

i was thinking of the assorted Dead spirit ashes, to match the vibe

like uhhh

lhutel

[golden pond]

If that's not undead

[stone cove]

they even throw ghostflame pots

[languid tiger]

they do, but they don't live in Death, so i guess i'm a stickler for that

[golden pond]

I meaaaaan

[left willow]

Goon Squad frfr

[stone cove]

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Elden-Ring/fallen-soldier.jpg

This is what they look like when not wearing helmets

[golden pond]

Teeeechnically, it's all ashes you need a monument of rebirth for so they're all living in death soooo

[golden pond]

Cranky looking ass

[left willow]

Christ almighty that gruesome

[languid tiger]

oh, fair, i'd forgotten how fucked up and zomb-ish they look

[golden pond]

Looks like he's about to call me a slur

I like him

[stone cove]

They're a genuiiienyl great summon though

unless the boss has some sort of aoe that can get past their shield

Then they suck horribly

[languid tiger]

oh, also

[stone cove]

But as long as they can block shit, they will block shit.

and they'll bully the hell out of the boss

[languid tiger]

i really like that they added a new HP summon

[left willow]

I know that faith-build in elden ring is not Wizard-core, but I feel like the character would use more of the faith spells overall

HP Summon?

[stone cove]

A few summons cost HP to bring out

[golden pond]

Big chunky tank boi

Ah that

[stone cove]

instead of FP

[left willow]

Oh, interesting

[stone cove]

Mimic Tear is the iconic one

but there's teh new BLoodfiend guy

[golden pond]

Land squirts!!!

[stone cove]

Landsquirts too

[left willow]

I.... totally forgot about Mimic costing hp

[golden pond]

Land squirts goated

[left willow]

Sounds like you need more fiber

[languid tiger]

it was previously just the mimic tear, the soldjars of fortune, the land squirts, and the miranda sprout, and the DLC added a bloodfiend hexer

[stone cove]

I really appreicate the joke in the SOljars of fortune name

[golden pond]

Peak summons are the dogshit funny ones

[languid tiger]

it's pretty funny

[stone cove]

Just a bunch of cuddly jar boys

\out to fearn their fortune

[golden pond]

Not cuddly

[stone cove]

by...

exploding

[golden pond]

Very explosive

[stone cove]

Look, they start wtih hugs

this makes them cuddly.

and they're cute

this also makes them cuddly.

the fact they then explode is a demerit

but you cant have everything

[trail sail]

Why do you think they're spirit ashes, rather than famous

[stone cove]

Well, canoically, jars seem to be able to self repair. It's werid. Like Alexander talks about getting smashed apart by radahn nad pulling himself together

[trail sail]

I think that's only to non fatal injury, as far as I can tell? Or they may need a healthy supply of bodies

[languid tiger]

i thought he got cracked or something

or like

[stone cove]

Yeah, it's confusing

[languid tiger]

a chunk smashed

[stone cove]

he actively says he got smashed apart

[trail sail]

Yeah

[left willow]

Oh, out of curiosity, cause I like watching people play games sometimes, does anyone have an elden ring playthrough done by someone who isn't already a master at soulsborne games that they would recommend watching?

[trail sail]

This may be a translation thing

The English version muddies dialogue at a few key areas

[stone cove]

Oh, hmm, no you're right

"One hit was all it took to crack me, and for my insides to come spilling out."

[languid tiger]

i thought so

[stone cove]

So yeah, took what would have been a very nasty blow

but didn't actually get broken apart

that makes more sense

[languid tiger]

not shattered, just chunked

[obtuse halo]

he's pretty good too

[trail sail]

And we're talking about Radahn here, so that makes sense

[obtuse halo]

"Mohg At Home:"

[golden pond]

||I mean if Alex is like those fleshy jar monsters then like...||

[left willow]

me, side-eyeing this statement...

[stone cove]

So, i'm not sure the Jar Innards are well... how to put

I fgerel liek the Jar Innard enemies we meet are an intermeidatery stage?

[left willow]

I'm 98% sure that Jar Innards are made of people.

[stone cove]

At least, that's the vibe i got from them

Oh, they are.

It's also unclear, because the Jars in the lands between are used for a very different purpose to the Jars in the lands of shadow.

[trail sail]

Yeah I was gonna say

[stone cove]

Jars in lands between are supposed to be corpse-collectors

[golden pond]

Mood

[stone cove]

That bring the bodies to erdtrees so the bodies can be laid to rest

[languid tiger]

i think it's just developed differently

[stone cove]

thats' why there's all the smashed jars around erd tree avatars

[trail sail]

I think the Jars in the Realm of Shadow are essentially a proto-version of what we see in the Lands Between

[languid tiger]

nah, the jars in the lands of shadow are explicitly a torture implement

[stone cove]

Well, not just a tortue implement. It's complicated

[trail sail]

That's what I mean though

[languid tiger]

and the "saints" they make are like

a holy penance, it seems

[stone cove]

Not strictly

we see actual saints/tuterlay dietes - Divine Beast Warriors and Divine Bird Warriors

we also see failed ones (curseblades)

[left willow]

I REALLY don't like whatever comes out of the Shadow Land jars

[languid tiger]

hm?

[golden pond]

It's what's inside you c:

[languid tiger]

the divine beast warriors are hornsent

not like

jar gubbins

[golden pond]

You got silly fleshy bits hidden in a bunch of outer shell

[languid tiger]

they're regular hornsent elevated to a holy position

[left willow]

The fucking slimy, blob people?

[left willow]

Oh, sure, but I'm not that shade of pink inside (for the most part)

[golden pond]

I got rgb intestines c:

Gaming

[steel scroll]

on the lands between jars - ||do they all have at least a little chunk of marika's descendents in them or did she write flesh-melding into the laws of reality with the elden ring.||

[left willow]

Gamer Digestion?

[golden pond]

Indigestion*

[stone cove]

The Trans Agenda: Manifest.

[golden pond]

[golden pond]

Gonna turn your insides pink white and blue

[languid tiger]

for reference: ||A helm of tangled horn attached to a divine beast mask, allowing the wearer to invoke divinity. Worn by divine beast warriors; the chosen of the horned warriors.||

divine beast helm

[stone cove]

Oh, hmm. I stand corrected

[left willow]

The dancing ||lion beast|| was incredibly rude

[languid tiger]

||A helm of tangled horn attached to a divine bird mask, allowing the wearer to invoke divinity. Worn by divine bird warriors; the very first of all horned warriors. Divine invocation heightens the power of divine bird feathers alongside strength and dexterity, but reduces the restorative effect of drinking from a flask of sacred tears. Focus is also troubled by wearing this helm.||

[left willow]

I did get it eventually

[languid tiger]

Divine Bird Helm

||Ashen remains in which spirits yet dwell. Use to summon the spirit of Ornis the divine bird warrior. Spirit of the divine bird warrior from whom the horned warriors claim descent. Clad in golden armor, and granted wings and feathers by divine invocation. Ornis succeeded in taming the divine bird and made its wings his own as he soared through the sky. When he finally fell to earth, he lived on as the guardian deity of the temple quarter.|| Divine Bird Warrior Ornis ashes

[left willow]

I came to rely on Zamor Ice Storm for bosses in the DLC

[languid tiger]

Taylew ashes ||Ashen remains in which spirits yet dwell. Use to summon the spirit of Taylew the golem smith. The spirit of the stalwart stone golem who launches his own fists as projectiles. Taylew was said to be the runt of the litter and the first to stop moving, but it was he who became the guardian deity of smithery.||

[left willow]

And the DLDB is immune 🙃

[golden pond]

It's so based

[left willow]

It's SO good

[golden pond]

Even if you can't apply cold, good damage

Godfrey icon, ragadon icon, that one amulet for 30% longer duration

Big pp damage

[left willow]

And if I put on my big hat, even more power

[golden pond]

Shadow Wizard Ranni Gang

We love casting cold

[languid tiger]

Curseblade Cirque ||Weapon of the masked Curseblades. Circular backhand blade with wave-like cutting edges, sharpened into points that incite blood loss. Long ago, this was employed by the ascetics who strove to become tutelary deities as a ritualistic object in their self-flagellating dances.||

and the Ascetic's set||Attire of the tower's ascetics, embodying their commitment to an austere existence of strict self-control. In order to ascend from their mortal flesh into tutelary deities of the land, they heighten their spirituality through severe ascetic training.||

there's a lot of stuff talking about "tutelary deities" and "guardian deities", but all of that seems to be directly related to just

regular hornsent ritualism

as opposed to the "canonization" of the shadow-jars' prisoner innards

[left willow]

I am considering swapping out my typical Great Glint Shard for the Frost Shard Spell, cause I LOVE Ranni's hat, style-wise

[obtuse halo]

Shadow Militiaman Headwrap has glowing eyes for some reason and every time I see it I can only think "shadow wizard money gang"

[languid tiger]

which, as far as i understand it, is a form of torture seen as a forced penitence

torture and execution, until masses of them become the horrific flesh blobs

[golden pond]

SHADOW WIZARD MIMIC GANG
WE LOOOVE CASTING SPELLS

[stone cove]

My understanding now takign what you've said is that it's using their abiltiy to meld to then purify the rest of the crimianls added to the pot

But yeah, it's all fucked up and horrible

[left willow]

Shadow Wizard Mimic Gang: We love being things other than treasure chests

[trail sail]

Oh dear, oh no
||https://youtu.be/xw9WP5BEiEM?si=02uX4tsCTrOB45tg||

[stone cove]

as much as Leda sucks, "They were never saints, they were just on the loosing side ofa war" line

[languid tiger]

as per the innard meat consumable that drops from them, their brutalized souls stick to the flesh afterward

[left willow]

context?

[stone cove]

It's just talking about the script smith shield

[stone cove]

which has some broken interactions

[languid tiger]

"rancorous spirits"

[trail sail]

It's also crazy good even without them

[languid tiger]

it doesn't seem to be purification of any sort

[trail sail]

Busted weapon

[left willow]

https://tenor.com/view/rancor-gif-9805192

[stone cove]

I guess i took it as beocming saints is a form of prufiaciton

but htat is inference

[languid tiger]

yeah leda's lines there go hard

as does her design

[stone cove]

She still sucks though. In a very well written way

[languid tiger]

too bad she's super paranoid and keeps murdering all her comrades

[stone cove]

"I'm not a very trusting person" YOU DONT SAY

re: scripsmith weapons, i do feel a few of them need like... 20% more range?

[median rock]

i'm a big fan of how she says that line only after resolving to murder everybody involved

[stone cove]

The backhand blades version is just really bad feeling on the short range

[languid tiger]

yeah

the smithscript cirque really needs a bit more range

[stone cove]

It just cuts out slightyl too fast

same iwth the daggers

[median rock]

yeah i also have a really hard time judging how far they actually fly

especially the dagger aows

[languid tiger]

the axe needs a minor damage nerf, but is otherwise sick as fuck, love that one

[median rock]

it feels like their hitbox extends slightly farther than the visible things in the air

[trail sail]

Leda is awful but she's a good villain

[stone cove]

Ansbach is great though. Love that man

he is also very fascainting in his implications

[languid tiger]

she's a cool character, a good villain, and a compelling goober

ansbach is great

ex-serial killer forcibly turned penitent with horrific mind control

[stone cove]

Spoilers for end of dlc ||He's so wildly differnet in character to the other pureblod knights we interact with. Which brings a bunch of questions up, like what were the pureblodo knights like before Mohg got taken over? Because Varre etc are well, insane.||

In a way that Ansbach very much is not.

[languid tiger]

||and after the mind control was like "hm, i actually really do think that the whole BLOOD KINGDOM thing was a bit wack, and i'm thankful to miquella for giving me the opportunity to engage in introspection, but i stand by the honor of myself and my lord"||

[stone cove]

and there's a strong set of evidence that ||Under Miquella's control, Mogh was being used to kill tarnished maidens to stop other contenders for the throne||

[golden pond]

||Not doing a great job by just sitting next to a womb all day||

[languid tiger]

oh?

[stone cove]

It's one of the frustraitng htings we really have no idea what Mohg was like before the ||Mohgcontroll'd||

[languid tiger]

i might've missed that

[golden pond]

||imagine being told to kill throne contenders and then you're listed as an optional boss||

[stone cove]

It's inference, but we know as things stand, the Pureblood knights are running around ganking maidens. Like i thin kthere's implciatons Varre ||flat out killed your maiden you should have had||, or atl east have seen mentioned

and none of this gels with the character of Ansbach, or the fact that Morgott never refers to Mohg as a traitor (When he's very quick to condemn nearly everyone else), or even the fact that MOhg is helping keep the Frenzied fLame sealed.

[golden pond]

||it's the one in the church, right?||

[stone cove]

so there's a very big dividing line between the two ||verisons of Mohgs|| and their modus operandi we face

[languid tiger]

hmmm

fair

and very interesting

[stone cove]

Now, i dont think ||Mogh is entirely on the up and up. we know he forged his pact with the formless mother when he was still in teh sewers. And the formless motehr while she has big themes of look after the outcast, we also see how warped that can make said outcast in the BLoodfiends. But it does imply the Pureblood knights were a much more morally complicated faction than the serial killers they've degenerated into||

[stone cove]

At the very start of the game, yeah.

[golden pond]

||varre moves as soon as you see melina, right? Was wondering what would happen If you got melina before you talked to him||

[stone cove]

No, once you kill a shardbearer ios the trigger

[trail sail]

It's funny, ||this dichotomy is present even in the base game and it hasn't really made sense till now - the Pureblood Knight Seal you get from Varre is intricate and indeed, regal, yet would you ever imagine someone like Varre, a man in what're basically butcher's robes with sensibilities to match, bearing that?||

[golden pond]

Yes

[trail sail]

no ;)

[golden pond]

You don't know what he's got under the robes smh

Don't judge people by appearance

[trail sail]

He's done all the judging for me considering he attacks you!

[golden pond]

Uhmmmm

He has never hit me

[stone cove]

Even the area tehyt're in is weridly run down and ruined

and it's easy to writye this off as lol, elden ring/dark souls

[trail sail]

lmao

[golden pond]

Regicide doesn't include the Corgis, I'm afraid

[steel scroll]

that's fine, their lineage died out like eight years ago

[trail sail]

I mean that's the thing right, the Lands Between is... probably the most put together of From's settings, aside from maybe Bloodborne when the hunt isn't happening maybe

Even if civilization is dysfunctional, militaristic and hostile, it still exists

[golden pond]

Yeah, having places that aren't a steaming pile of shit is pretty put together

Tho tbf

Isn't anor londo like
fine for the most part?

[stone cove]

hahahahahahahaha NO

NO NO NO NO NO

it is not

[trail sail]

Oh god no it is not

[obtuse halo]

no, this is consistent - Morgott doesn't want the Tarnished to take over either

oh oops I didn't scroll down

[stone cove]

||The anor londo you goto is an illusion. if you smack gwynviere it all vanisehs and you find the real version||

[golden pond]

||I haven't played previous souls games, only El Tres||

[steel scroll]

it's mostly just ||stormveil|| that's not totally fucked. ||liurnia is falling into the swamp, the forbidden lands are an ice-blasted hellscape, the haligtree is rotting, llenydel is covered under twelve foot of ash, caelid is caelid. dragon barrow is....||

[stone cove]

Where it's ||Eternal night and demon infested||

[old brook]

I still don't know if Mohg is actually helping with the flame

Or if that's Morgott

Since he dissolves into the same gold as the projection

[stone cove]

It's MOhg. Mohg's shackle works on him, not morgott's, he gives you a blood incanation

Occam's razor dicatates it's just something both twins can do

[trail sail]

This is a significantly better track record than Dark Souls, to be fair

[old brook]

Final Dlc boss ||still would have been cool to use the shackle||

[steel scroll]

||drangleic aint too bad once you clear out the corpses. it's not literally collapsing in itself.||

[stone cove]

THough it's all warped in time and space.

i wish they'd better c ommunicated that it's supposed to be really fucked up and that's why you get wild things like going Up an elevantor into down in the earth

[old brook]

They only got that vibe in the ds3 dlc

[languid tiger]

that's also part of the Development Hell, though

[old brook]

( was cool though)

[languid tiger]

it is partially intentional

it's just also slapdash and has faulty communication

[stone cove]

Yeah, i have a friend who super leoves Ds1 and really hates Ds2

and i'm very fond of ds2

and it's very annoying becuase a lot of her ocmplaitns seme to be "It's not literally dark souls 1 again"

and like i think you can def level a bunch of very fair complaints at DS2 (ADAPABILITY)

but it did a lot of itneresting things and ideas

and had a lot of very cool areas, even if i too miss the interconnection that DS1 had.

I kinda want to see From tackle like... make your setting a mansion. Just a single massive building that's super interconnected

really lean itn otheir crazy level design skills

[golden pond]

I want a less open world

[jaunty solar]

I killed Warrior Jar Alexander for his talisman and he says "What... is my whole existence just a crock?"

[median rock]

me trying to figure out what to do about that stupid brain above the bridge in bloodborne

[languid tiger]

that would be fucking amazing

[jaunty solar]

This is the best game ever made

[median rock]

alternatively, me trying to track down micolash

[stone cove]

I still havent played Bloodborne, as i am Playstationless.

[steel scroll]

they should set the next game in something other than an apocalypse and watch players try and fight their instincts to not maul a street full of innocent people just because their lock-on is active

[languid tiger]

something like valinhall in Will Wight's House of Blades, or like the upcoming mtg set Duskmourne

[stone cove]

and yes i oculd like... emulator etc

but bleh

[languid tiger]

massive infinite mansion

[median rock]

can you ps4 emulator?

[jaunty solar]

I downloaded a mod that permanently turns on the deflecting hardtear

[median rock]

is that a thing?

[languid tiger]

of weird and esoteric bullshit

[golden pond]

I am so fucking d2 addicted, I thought your pfp was a mechanic symbol

[jaunty solar]

And I'm playing through on a samurai

[median rock]

no its my cat

[languid tiger]

but whyyyy

that one is worse than the farum azula one :(

[median rock]

shes currently chewing on a sealed glass bottle because she's not smart

[jaunty solar]

Didn't want to wait for Alexander's Shard

Probably won't be using it very long anyway

[languid tiger]

pain

[median rock]

(i'm aware you said you are bloodborneless but for other people) i'd love to see a version of the bloodborne catacombs that actually didn't suck

like in that vein

[stone cove]

The catacombs idea is interesting

[median rock]

i think theres definitely a space for that kind of thing without the frustration that chalice dungeons atcually ended up having

[golden pond]

I think I'd lose it if it was a super interconnected dungeon

[trail sail]

I legitimately wonder what's happening with the Bloodborne rights, because I can only imagine that's the sole reason a remaster hasn't been green lit

[golden pond]

I do not wanna do shadowkeep 2: Bigger Keep

[stone cove]

I think Sony/Fromt conflcits, i suspect

[median rock]

sony just straight up owns them, no?

like miyazaki's stated before and he stated again recently they wouldn't be opposed to making one but it's not their call

[languid tiger]

yeah, sony owns the bb rights

[median rock]

like he said this again when the same question was asked for the 10 billionth time in some interview about SOTE

[stone cove]

I suspect what sony might do is the PS6 or something gets a remake

[jaunty solar]

If I hadn't done it I would have never heard the best pun perhaps ever made

[trail sail]

Sony probably wants a bigger cut than From is willing to fork over or something

[stone cove]

and then a year later or so they'll bring it to pc like they do all their current games

[golden pond]

Imagine they lost the source code

[stone cove]

I just want from to bloody decrease the price of your games on steam. I cannot justify buyinhg AC6 or Sekiro thissale

even though they're -30% or -50%

[median rock]

i don't currently own a ps4/ps5, so i'm not tapped into the current situation, but i know people have been/were disappointed with the ps5's actual games selection? since many people just own ps4s anyway and there's really not many ps5 exclusives by overall volume?

[languid tiger]

god

i fucking

love

[median rock]

like there were some really good ones, but it's more quality over quantity in terms of exclusives

[languid tiger]

dane's footwork

so goddamn much

[median rock]

its so fun

[golden pond]

Yeaaah

[median rock]

especially for the free +10% or 15% damage over the other one via talisman

[golden pond]

It was cheaper to buy ac6 for gf on steam than on cdkeys or something 💀

[median rock]

dane's fists -> dane's footwork was my first DLC run

[golden pond]

There's a reason "ps5 no games" is a meme

Half the games is just last of us remakes and remasters

[stone cove]

That's the current sales on steam is the thing 😦

[median rock]

once i found the fists i used them pretty much exclusively from then on. cold is nice, since for whatever reason they get really high base damage on cold compared to other infusions

[median rock]

reply fail laugh at this user

[golden pond]

Horse react this user

[median rock]

on it boss

[stone cove]

finding out what the No Horse ahead things were about was very amusing

[median rock]

i will say the final DLC boss sucked kinda balls with dane's footwork

[languid tiger]

ahhh

[obtuse halo]

oof

[languid tiger]

i can imagine martial arts being a horrible matchup into him, yeah

[median rock]

like my strategy for every single other fight was charged heavies

[obtuse halo]

yeah that's not happening there

just no breathing room

[median rock]

well obviously previous bosses were always the normal martial arts, not feet

but like. messmer was SO much fun on martial arts, and pretty easy all things considered

[golden pond]

Mfw I cast a moon at his ass and he chad walks at me

[median rock]

but hteyre just so much fun with millicen'ts prosthesis, rotten winged sword with lights/skill, or just the massive damage (for the charge time) from charged heavies

[jaunty solar]

So glad they finally put ||the black mortal blade|| in players hands

[median rock]

for final boss i had to pull out my secret weapon, which is moveswap antspur rapier onto fists and then use fists once it rotted

[languid tiger]

i'm currently farming the golem fist with footwork

[median rock]

i did the same thing for gaius lol

wtf there's a golem fist?

[languid tiger]

yeah

you know the two golems

in taylew's

[golden pond]

Alex shard, Godrick icon

[languid tiger]

that shoot their rocket fists?

[golden pond]

Biden blast

[languid tiger]

they drop that

[median rock]

thats sick i didn't know that

[languid tiger]

it's another smithscript weapon

[median rock]

smithing fist weapon?

sick

[languid tiger]

yep

[jaunty solar]

Do they have the demon fist moveset?

[languid tiger]

the rocket punch is their r2

[stone cove]

rocket fist weapon.

[jaunty solar]

The big spin and the slam down

[languid tiger]

don't think so?

i haven't gotten it

[golden pond]

Not worth then

[median rock]

lol

[languid tiger]

friend did on his run, lucky bsatard

but i'm farming now to see

[stone cove]

Tip for those assholes: a club or stone club wrecks them

[languid tiger]

dryleaf whirlwind is so cool too

[stone cove]

Even front on it staggers them very fast.

[languid tiger]

i wish you could use it mid-air

[golden pond]

Peak

I miss ringed knight armor

And sword tbh

I want more cool stance moves

[median rock]

i speedran a lvl 150 character pre-dlc for my first run, and then completed DLC to do NG+ for the rest of the rememberance items etc., so i'll have to wait a bit until i get there to farm them

[golden pond]

No coffins?

[jaunty solar]

Ohhhhhh

[stone cove]

@median rock There's always cheat engine.

[median rock]

not enough for all rememberances

[jaunty solar]

The mad pumpkin head is genius

[median rock]

i coffin'd the ones i don't want to go get back

[jaunty solar]

I just realized it's teaching you to play without being locked on

[median rock]

like i coffin'd ||metyr|| and ||midra|| because the steps to get to those are annoying

[jaunty solar]

Locked on half your attacks will whiff

[median rock]

i dont think i used the 3rd coffin lol

[jaunty solar]

But if you unlock you'll be able to position your strikes better

[median rock]

oh no i did for the final boss one. ||so i got all 3, i also had the motherwill coffin left unused from the normal playthrough||

[left willow]

Oh boy, if someone reminds me tomorrow, I will post my shame

[median rock]

what shame

[left willow]

I have upwards of 200 runes that I need to actually... use

[golden pond]

I'll be sure to remind you

[left willow]

(Of varying levels)

[golden pond]

Oh, that's like

Fine

Go to smith and sell them

Idk why people use runes, unless there's some shit with golden scarabs or something

[median rock]

i use them when i'm close to leveling and i dont want to backtrack to sell them

[left willow]

I just hold onto them to bridge little gaps between levels... then forget what I need and over farm

[golden pond]

If I need runes

[median rock]

reasonable

[golden pond]

Albinauric ahead
Therefore time to all at once

[median rock]

real as fuck

my favorite thing about that area is when the phantoms around you start aow'ing in sync with you

[golden pond]

Standing there with huge ages like

LEGALIZE NUCLEAR BOMBS

[median rock]

that's me when i run out of smithing stones and get pissy and decide to go farm 700k so i can buy 48 more of everything

[golden pond]

Saw a bloodstain of a guy using Bolt of Gransax

Jumps up, and dives into the abyss

Tried to go for bird

[median rock]

nice

[golden pond]

Peak comedy

[median rock]

i dont think i've ever farmed bird

[obtuse halo]

Wait, moveswap still works?

I was sure they patched that out LMAO

[median rock]

you can still moveswap

[dusty kraken]

Anyone willing to help me transfer an item or two?

[median rock]

sure

I can hop on and mule

[dusty kraken]

Yay. Where would you like to meet up?

[median rock]

where's easy to do so for the destination character

like are you trying to get this on a rl1 dude or something

[dusty kraken]

Not far off.

Church of Elleh?

[median rock]

sure

let me set my pswd

pswd set to liminal lol

leave ur sign next to the anvil or something

[dusty kraken]

Doing now

[median rock]

my dude will be a pumpkin head named charles

[dusty kraken]

Done!

[median rock]

izolda?

[dusty kraken]

I'm a lady with horns called Izolda

[median rock]

oh great mother give me ur shit

lmaooo ofc it's perfumes

could've just said u wanted those

though acutally my copies are all +25

rolling sparks, gravebird bracelets, chilling perfume

[dusty kraken]

Yep

[median rock]

cool. just confirming the right items

[dusty kraken]

And Allzia is there now

Red hair

Nevermind Elden Ring crashed

[median rock]

major L

[golden pond]

Ummmmm

Red hair, name doesn't start with M

Fraud alert

Wait it's r

I'm the fraud

[dusty kraken]

Okay, down again.

Allzia

[median rock]

ok

damn thats bright red hair

like thats some 255 0 0 shit

unable to summon adversary

third attempt to accept is the charm?

yeah no you're getting ratioed

[dusty kraken]

Odd.

[stone cove]

You know

if i'm nto trying to pvp

i dont know why i'm sticking to being level 200

[median rock]

i'll throw my duelist sign down between anvil n kale

[stone cove]

i should just keep leveling

[dusty kraken]

Sure

[golden pond]

number go up time

[median rock]

im either charles or yung charlie one of the two

my first character kinda looked like moistcritical so all since characters have leaned into it

[dusty kraken]

Attempting to summon

[median rock]

got all 3 items?

[stone cove]

I do, lowkey, wish elden ring actually had level caps

As werid as that may sound

[dusty kraken]

What's that madness grab?

[median rock]

inescapable frenzy

[dusty kraken]

And yeah, got all items

[median rock]

i'ts useless because like most grabs, only works on tarnished (so invaders or gideon lol)

[dusty kraken]

Boo

[median rock]

perhaps it's useful on dlc ||gank fight|| maybe now? idk haven't tried it

[dusty kraken]

Thanks for that

[median rock]

i mostly hit it because this is the one time i'll ever use it

since i don't pvp

[dusty kraken]

Hahahaha

[golden pond]

there's a poison one too

[median rock]

no not the fist this is the spell

[golden pond]

ah

[median rock]

the fist does dmg normal enemies i think

[golden pond]

yeah cause it's a spear hit, right

[median rock]

this is the incant thats hidden in the floors where theres parkour to the 3 fingers

[dusty kraken]

Now I have fire, ice and lightning bottles for the PC

[median rock]

like its in hte merchant area

[golden pond]

quick q about those

[median rock]

i unfortunatley only have +25 copies of poison + frenzyflame 😔 otherwise i'd offer htem

[golden pond]

can you power stance them so it mixes?

[median rock]

yes

its goated

[glossy stag]

so in the dlc you can go full ||stinky hands on left and right||

[median rock]

in practice if you want the funny numbers, put on rolling spark AOW and aim at the ground

[golden pond]

idc

[dusty kraken]

Yes

[median rock]

it normally makes a trail that extends out

[dusty kraken]

It's very fun

[median rock]

but if it hits a wall or the floor it just bunches all the hitboxes up

on my current run i oneshot dts, radahn, etc. with 40/40 dex/faith with buff stacking by abusing that fact

[golden pond]

that's such a yawn ngl

i'm trying to escape super strong stuff 😭

been using ranni sword and moon for all the dlc so far

and doing like fucking 3k damage to CURSE YOU [REDACTED] at blessing 4 😭

[dusty kraken]

Ice bottle will help me get through rykard's stupid manor

[median rock]

i just ran past it lol

[dusty kraken]

As no amount of fire damage beats immunity

[median rock]

with frenzyflame bottle

idk wtf i'm doing with rykard. i typically just serpent hunter him tbh

[languid tiger]

man

[median rock]

not worth the effort of committing to the build

[languid tiger]

still no fist drop

pain

[golden pond]

i summoned my mimic and let it do it's thing

[languid tiger]

fucking 1%ers

[median rock]

cope

[golden pond]

i think they're past cope

they onto seething now

[obtuse halo]

wait, is fist drop random?

[golden pond]

so based

[obtuse halo]

oh beautiful

love to see it

[golden pond]

i was thinking about doing a madness run

but i've found like

no madness weapons i like

it's so sad

[languid tiger]

yeah, it's one of the randomly-dropped weapons

gotta farm

like so much of the gear

[median rock]

poison one is actually pretty mid bc the aow poisons u too

[golden pond]

bruh

i mean makes sense

but fucking 😭

[median rock]

but supposedly you can be really cool on a poison build with like, that plus the serpent katar fist thing with the new aow

the rot blooms twice one

[golden pond]

wait

[languid tiger]

shroom hat + exultation of rot make it aight though

[golden pond]

yeah, just use those lmao

poison yourself for bonus pp

[median rock]

yeah no its good for that dont get me wrong

[obtuse halo]

I love Madness! May Chaos Take The World

[median rock]

but like as an actual weapon

[golden pond]

fun spells
i have found zero wepaons i vibe with

[left willow]

There's got to be an appropriate weapon to make a vibrations joke

[median rock]

my madness run so far is frenzyflame perfume bottle and nanaya's torch

[left willow]

But idk enough of them

[obtuse halo]

there's a special joy in the rare tarnished enemy you can fight in a madness build

[golden pond]

wtf do you mean

[median rock]

you do have the option for the madding hand, plus there's always vyke's, but i just did a martial arts run so i'm not doing a fist's run

[obtuse halo]

lol the frenzyflame seal

[median rock]

it does do madness on hit

[obtuse halo]

I guess TECHNICALLY if you slap them with it...

[median rock]

i don't think dlc added anything for madness weps beyond madding hand, frenzyflame perfume, and nanaya's torch?

other than that its talisman, the new incant from the madness boss for other madness items?

oh and the weird consumable

[golden pond]

THEY ALMOST DID

THEY ALMOST FUCKING ADDED A WEAPON

BUT DECIDED "no"

[median rock]

which weapon

[left willow]

Nananananananaya MADMAN

[golden pond]

i'm so mad that ||greatsword of damnation isn't a madness weapon. would've been so cool if it was like a golden order shit but corrupted by being stuck in a twink full of madness||

[median rock]

ah

yeah, it's a shame it didn't do that

nanaya's torch moveset is mid but the weapon itself is atcually pretty fun

the damage is quite good all things considered

[golden pond]

i really wanted to go like full mad dual greatswords or sumtin

but hey, at least we got 50 new dex and str weapons!

that's fun!

[median rock]

im honestly more saddened by no good interesting sleep interactions besides the 3 (?) weapons

[golden pond]

mfw cool straight sword with a cool magic weapon art

katana
dex scaling
D FOR INT

perishing

[median rock]

||thioller's needle, the new st trina sword, the other new st trina sword||

[golden pond]

||katana my fucking ass||

||this is more katana than the fucking star-lined sword||

[languid tiger]

there's only one new sword

[median rock]

i thought 2?

[languid tiger]

the other trina sword is base game

and very early

[median rock]

no, i know that one

[left willow]

how far do I need to get to get that thing? 👀

[median rock]

i swear there was another one besides velvet

[golden pond]

you can go there off the rip probably

just go south until you hit Red Lands then there's a way to go down to Blue Lands

[median rock]

wiki says i'm full of shit. wild

[left willow]

What's it called?

[languid tiger]

just the needle and velvet

[median rock]

star-lined sword @left willow

[left willow]

ty

[golden pond]

star-lined cringe sword

[median rock]

its not a very hard boss but its mildly convoluted to get there

[golden pond]

fucking dogshit dex scaling magic weapon

raaaaaaaah

[median rock]

idk your experience with the dlc so far but that shits map is anything but linear

also shoutout fucking demihuman genichiro

that motherfucker killed me more times than metyr (like 4 attempts vs first try)

idk what the fuck is in his water but somebody take away his fucking floating passage rights

[languid tiger]

i first tried him because he's still a demihuman with like

2 poise

but yeah those attacks are fucking bonkers

why does he have magic waterfowl dance

[median rock]

at the time i was using fists

[languid tiger]

where do we get that?

[median rock]

and believe it or not

my poise damage on anything but charged r2 isn't amazing

[languid tiger]

lmfao

yeah fair

[golden pond]

what boss?

[median rock]

not even a boss

on the way to the place w the star lined sword theres a demihuman using it

(theres also an unrelated boss similar who is not there and is instead far-ish away)

[golden pond]

||https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Elden-Ring/onze's-line-of-stars.gif|| i mean

[trail sail]

Can we not do rage like this please, not the place for it

[golden pond]

sirryt

[trail sail]

Thank you

[median rock]

but yeah idk that guy is cracked and then i tried the demihuman swordsman yoda summon and he was. not cracked

[languid tiger]

alas, but an apprentice

[median rock]

lmao i just tried the weapon moveset and i remembered the part i got cooked by repeatedly

[golden pond]

really wish we could just get that as an aow

saddened by the D int scaling 😔

[median rock]

oh yeah has anybody tried the new twinblade, ||romina's poleblade||?

[languid tiger]

that's not a twinblade

[median rock]

er wait no the twinblade is the one from the final area

its the halberd

[languid tiger]

there are two twinblades

[median rock]

what's the other one? i probably picked it up and forgot

[languid tiger]

Euporia and Black Steel, both faith

[median rock]

ah, nah, didn't get that one. is it a random drop from those dudes or is there a miniboss vresion that drops it

[languid tiger]

Black Steel is from ||a unique black knight drop, like the black steel greathammer, in the center-left of scadu altus||

||not a miniboss||

[median rock]

nice

[golden pond]

gotta say

[languid tiger]

||on a hill, by the furnace golem leading up to shadow keep||

[golden pond]

kinda funny the 2 things you get form her serve similar purpose but have different reqs lamo

[median rock]

but yeah, anybody tried ||the poleblade of the bud||? looks like a cool weapon the aow seems like hte kind of thing that isn't actually that useful

[languid tiger]

but to answer your poleblade question, ||i've tried it and quite like the moveset, but i think it could use a slight damage buff||

it scales pretty hard with dex until 56

and scales very hard with arc until 80

[median rock]

oh, interesting

[golden pond]

||low damage, won't apply rot on it's own once, zero hyper armor during floaty time||

[languid tiger]

but its bases suck so it's only hitting like

~680-690 AR with that 56/80 spread

as a halberd

[median rock]

see yeah thats what i was guessing by looking with no testing outside the poor gatefront soldiers

[left willow]

What's the name of that dragon on the plains that jumps off the big cliff to swoop down on you and uses a bunch of lightning-based attacks? (Base Game Field Boss, I think)

[golden pond]

Pontiffsax

i kid

[languid tiger]

lansseax

[golden pond]

Lannseax

[median rock]

the ancient dragons in dlc reminded me of how annoying they are to fight over normal dragons

put ur head down let me hit it

[golden pond]

mfw i struggled more with that guy than the one after it

lmao

damn woahter

[languid tiger]

senessax is fucking obnoxious

because of the water arena

[median rock]

^ i came back for him at like. scadu 14 or something, after doing ||bayle|| (the boss behind him) at scadu 3

and i still died a couple times

[golden pond]

truly a blessing for casters

[left willow]

I really should go back and kill Lannseax

[median rock]

it is not worth it

[golden pond]

cool glaive spell

[median rock]

he drops a mediocre but swag red lightning aoe spell

man i wish the black dumpling looked better

[golden pond]

huh

works for Torrent too

[stone cove]

Not enough though >.>

[golden pond]

Honse always weak sauce

never honse

[modest berry]

so i was looking up if i missed any bosses, and lol|| i only found one tree spirit in the flooded church district, but i do remember getting an iris of occulation randomly when i was parkouring there ||

from moment

[languid tiger]

nice, it must've hit a death plane somehow

[modest berry]

rememberance boss weapon art spoilers ||man spinning gravity thrust on something with the bleed or frost chance buildup of a greatsword, with all those hits of the psycho drill is mighty good ||

[stone cove]

Psycho drill is a nice name for it

Seems like it'd be really fun on a spellsword Milday build, cold milady does osme shit and has excellent dex/int scaling

[languid tiger]

much better dex, you def want to go dex-favored quality to get optimal usage out of it

but I used it at min str 80 int 45 dex

and it did work

[modest berry]

im just fuckin around and have it on a frost lizard greatsword, and 125 frost times all those drill hits just procs it immediately

[golden pond]

dam

i'm currently looking at possibly vergil run with moonveil and star-lined

[stone cove]

Noice

[languid tiger]

looking at the cold infusion, optimal numbers seem to be about 40/80/50

str/dex/int

[stone cove]

Not quite true!

it's got .51 Str, .93 Dex and .76 Int

[languid tiger]

yeah, 40/80/50 is the set of softcaps

[stone cove]

with the cost being the int of course goes to magic damage, not physical damage

Ah, gotcha.

[languid tiger]

50/70 str/dex is actually extremely close as well, only -2 AR

60/60 goes from 701 to 694

[stone cove]

Punching in the 40/80/50 gives you 426 phys and 274 mag.

very respectable ar

[golden pond]

not even 1.2k, weak sauce

[languid tiger]

40 str -> 12 (min) loses 41 AR, down to 660

[stone cove]

When you consider how fast milday's attacks come out

[golden pond]

i know

[stone cove]

(ah, it's very hard to tell when people are meming vs giving useful commetnary in this sort of discussion)

[golden pond]

i'm considering either milady or rellie's sords with a shield for osme other run

[languid tiger]

12/80/50 is a bit sad, because those first couple levels in strength are huge

[golden pond]

maybe ng+ for my vergil

[languid tiger]

but it's a lot more reasonable of a spread

[stone cove]

@golden pond Genuinely osmething that's real fun is a dueling shield in conjuction with Milady

the mixup options are huge

[golden pond]

the pokey one?

[stone cove]

Yeah, Carian Thrusting Shield.

[golden pond]

mmmm

how does it work again?

[languid tiger]

...sucks that your end is so low, though

[stone cove]

Because you can go between "i'm just blocking and doiing milady's excellent guard counters" into beating things down iwth the shield, to two-handing milady

[stone cove]

Uh, it works like a shield? but it's default aow means it can do it's r1 attacks while in your off hand

[modest berry]

im a str/fth build but have the lizard sword (which i had to have) cold infused because i figured out if you hit them with the strong attack up close the fired tongue dagger and the strong thrust hit simultaneously instantly proccing frost with 250 build up, not optimal in any capacity but silly fun

[stone cove]

or you can start putitng more interesting stuff like Giant Hunt on it for when you two hand it (and enable wing stance stuff while you're using it as a shield)

[golden pond]

oh so like L2, oke

[stone cove]

But if you two-hand it , or just hold it in your main hand

it has a full moveset.

[golden pond]

yeye

[stone cove]

and most of the attacks also block as you attack

[golden pond]

i saw a weapons nerd go over it historically

[languid tiger]

do you remember if there's an available Shield Strike aow?

so you can keep default and infuse it

[stone cove]

Yep! It comes on the dueling shield 🙂

[languid tiger]

or is it sol?

oh sweet

[stone cove]

and i think Carian thrusting shield

[languid tiger]

i really appreciate that they did that with so many of the dlc weapons

[stone cove]

a lot of the weapons actually come with copies of their aow in the dlc.

[golden pond]

if only...

[stone cove]

There's even the funny of the Swordlance having a unique aow, making it a 2-in-1 unique boss reward

since you get both the weapon ,and the aow to infuse onto other things

[languid tiger]

yeah, i really like the way they did the sword lance

unique boss weapon but it's standard & infusable but it also comes with its "signature" boss weapon art

both convenient and generous in a couple ways

wish it had innate magic damage/int scaling though

actually, pure phys but innate int

would've been rad

[stone cove]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2530541916768383779/9A3A03BF1BD9D74C3A75C98392428A6499F1CCAB/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Getting here really fucked up my color palette XD

[languid tiger]

naahhh

red's red

[stone cove]

See, my color palette actually had subtly

and discintioon

before now

also lol, fighting Rakasha

...she uh, she cant dodge hefty rock pots very well

"Behold my truth, hone thro-" giant pile of rocks "Stop tha-" anotehr mass of rocks

[left willow]

Hefty Rock Pots really do just be like: I cast BONK

[golden pond]

No but we have that already

Pots are just potted rocks

[plush cliff]

we're not going to reading this chat much since we're just going through the base game for the first time blind now and we're avoiding spoilers BUT

we've finally gotten this far and we're genuinely so happy

[frozen olive]

👍

Is good game

[stone cove]

Eeey, grats! Also if you want to avoid the dlc spoilers and base gamespoilers, tehre's just #1162109930472493066 as a channel too 🙂

[plush cliff]

thanks, but this is the only soulslike we've played and gods willing it will be the last

we're doing our best impression of french and british infantryman bleeding and dying for every inch we move

[stone cove]

Do you want some quick, no spoilers build advice that might help?

This is just "Basic things you might not know because the game dosent e xplain it, but are easy to hit"

[plush cliff]

that would be very appreciated

[stone cove]

Okay!

Early on, scaling on your weapon is worthbupkiss -t he only important thing is your weapon upgrade level.

So the best way to get strong early is like so:

Get whatever minium requiremetns you need for your weapon of choice. If you're new to the game, Katanas, Straight Swords, Great Hammers, Greatswords (the actual weapon category, not the weapon named "Greatsword" which is actually a colossal greatsword. The Claymore, which you can find early in weeping penisnual, is a greatsword) are all good choices, and all pretty acessible.

Next thing to do? Put all your levels in Vig. Vigor starts off giving pretty poor returns, but rapidly spikes in effectivness.

at 40 levels of Vigor, you will get 1.4k hp.

at 60 vit, you get 1.9k vit.

...You should, however, not go past 60.

[frozen olive]

vigor

and yes, anything after 60 gives extremely diminishing returns and is frankly not worth it

[stone cove]

You shouldn't go past 60 vit, because the game uses a concept called 'Soft caps" where at certain points of stats, you get dimisnhing rteturns

going from 59-60 vigor adds... 13 hp.

Going from 60-61 vigor?

3 hp.

[plush cliff]

got it

[jaunty jungle]

60 is the soft cap for most stats

[stone cove]

Beyond that, the otehr good breakpoint to hit is getting 25 endurance.

This is less important than vigor, but it gives you a nice chunk of equipment load

and a nice chunk of stamina

[languid tiger]

not true in this game

80 is the softcap for mental stats and for the primary stat on a large number of physical weapons

[jaunty jungle]

I see

[stone cove]

For requip load:

if you have less than 30% of your total equip load, you light roll. Light rolls move the furthest. Good mobility! but hitting lightroll is hard I do not recommend for a new player, because it's a complicated thing.

instead, aim for Medium equip load. this is anything below 70% of your equip load. Same number of iframes as medium rolls!

er, light rolls*

Other things: A shield is a big help. Back in weeping pensinusal yo ucan get the Turtle SHield - it doesnt have 100% damage block, which is a bit poop... but it boosts your stamina regen (This works even when it's oin your back and you're two-handing a weapon), and it comes with the AoW: Barricade. Which lets you tempoiarily b uff it to get massive damage reistance and be able to tank hits really well - including not loosing much stamina

Alt, you can use the Brass Shield - it drops from any of the solider type guys holding it. You almolst certainly have found one by now.

You can find Barricade in Weeping OPensinula iirc, if you want to have it on Brass Shield (It's a great shield, only weak to blocking lightning).

If you wish to learn the mystic arts of parrying, you can buy a Buckler from Gostoc. As a quick rule of thumb: If it's got a weapon, it can be parried (Caveat: Flails.)

Buckler has the second best parry in the game, and the best parries are only very slightly better. IT's a good trick to learn! The way parrying works is it has a windup animation (Bucklers is very short) and then "Active" frames. As long as your active parry frames collide with the enemy's attack frames... you parried!

This is very funny on Nightrider enemies, as if it's the glaive type, parrying them makes them faceplant off their horse.

If it's the flail type, you cant parry them, and you spend ten minutes trying and going "Why do i keep getting hte partial parry sound? am i just bad at the timing?" like i did >.>

Finally: Use your conseuambles! use your spirit summons! Ride on torrent! snipe things with a bow!

play unfair!

[plush cliff]

[stone cove]

Trick enemies into jumping off cliffs! sneak up behind them and kick them off! (Patches would be so proud)

Use spells! (There are a lot that are accessible with very low requiremtns that are still useful)

dont be afraid to experiment

[left willow]

Also: Spirits that you get from ashes are a BIG help in boss fights

[obtuse halo]

Oh no. I can already tell PK Bow-Only is going to suuuuuuck.

I can barely hit the goddamn thing.

[stone cove]

Plain, you've done this to yourself.

[plush cliff]

oh we accidentally killed him 😔

The Zombie Penguin (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Trick enemies into jumping off cliffs! sneak up behind them and kick them off! (Patches would be so …

[obtuse halo]

it has all these jerky wiggly movements

that throw off my aim

[stone cove]

Look. If he doesnt want to get accdidentally killed, he should surrender faster.

[obtuse halo]

correct, but also oh no

[stone cove]

So dont worry, that's funny as hell, and you can always spare him next time 🙂

[golden pond]

Unironically

Used a charged r2 from moon sword

Died in one hit

[stone cove]

I'm pretty sure "Accidnetally murdered patches" is a rite of passage for a lot of players

[golden pond]

Why is it always weak foe?

[stone cove]

Anyway! I hope this all helps

[obtuse halo]

I showed up with a stack of Golden Arrows to exploit his holy weakness and he just. dodges more than half of what I'm shooting lmao

[stone cove]

please dont hestiate to ask any of us if you need more advice

[plush cliff]

it does! ty

The Zombie Penguin (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Anyway! I hope this all helps

[stone cove]

or even want to summon one of us to come yell mean things at a boss for being a butt.

[left willow]

What build are you running?

[stone cove]

Don't worry, i only betray hades horribly here. (last time hades summoned me to a boss, i mostly sat back and let hades fight hte boss... till i got bored and murdered the boss for hitting me in the face anyway <.<)

Fucking rude boss, i'm trying to let hades learn the game here.

[left willow]

Terribly true

[stone cove]

There was also the red who tried to gank us, but they had it comming.

[plush cliff]

dex

HadesHerald (She/They) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) What build are you running?

[stone cove]

What weapon are you using?

[left willow]

Cool! Melee or Ranged as your main?

[stone cove]

Dex is a good choice overall, lots of fun options - Bloodhound's Curved Sword, Uchigantana or Nagakiba, various daggers and straight swords

[plush cliff]

we have, like,,,,,, 20 vigor, 20(?) endurance, and 33 agility

[left willow]

And Bows!

[plush cliff]

we're using rogier's rapier rn

[stone cove]

Oh, very nice!

[plush cliff]

(and a parrying dagger, but we'll probably change back to the buckler)

[left willow]

Very good stuff!

[stone cove]

So fun think with weapons that do piercing damage! If you hit enemies while they're doing an attack animation, you get a 50% bonus damage

I think it's 50%? i dunno. it's large.

Like it's a big bonus.

And you can equip the Spear Talisman to boost this even further.

whcih makes stabbing em in the guts when they try and get you very, very effective

[plush cliff]

we haven't found that one!

The Zombie Penguin (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) And you can equip the Spear Talisman to boost this even further.

[frozen olive]

i absolutely killed him on my first playthrough as well, don't worry

after what he did to me in DS3 it was on sight with that motherfucker

[obtuse halo]

it's 30% base, but still a big bonus

[modest berry]

i got a great glitch just now,|| scorpion river catacombs death knight, he fully just stops moving, im circling around him completely frozen, i hit him, it break whatever stun hes in, he instantly phase transitions and hits me with a flying command grab that skips all its start up frames, just teleporting to me||

[obtuse halo]

effectively 45% with spear talisman

[frozen olive]

he attacked me and i obliged his intent by cutting him in half

[obtuse halo]

OH NO lmao

[stone cove]

30% bonus is huge still. yeah

[plush cliff]

the worst part was that he started standing back up right as we were doing the wind-up animation for the attack that killed him 😔

Freyja the Crane 💜 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) i absolutely killed him on my first playthrough as well, don't worry

[stone cove]

OH NOO

[frozen olive]

you know

[stone cove]

Well, that's his fault for being a jerk still

[frozen olive]

i didn't even know he COULD surrender

because

get this

[obtuse halo]

this notably applies to all piercing damage, hilariously

[stone cove]

tbh, you havent lost a lot.

[frozen olive]

as soon as he started attacking me

i immediately engaged every little bit of violence i had in my brain

[stone cove]

He's a fun npc and tehre's some fun dialouge and stuff, but in the long run you loose very little

[obtuse halo]

so the counterstrike mechanic is absolutely critical to dealing remotely decent bow damage

[modest berry]

i still got him, but it was very funny, its such a good attack

[frozen olive]

and killed him so fast the surrender animation literally did not trigger

so i didn't even know until later that sparing him was possible

[stone cove]

Oh ,one otehr thing: As a general rule of thumb, dont bother upgrading shields. You jsut dont get a lot out of it. Liek it's worht it hwen you have unlimited smithing stones (Which is getaable) but that's somethign thath appens later in the game

You jsut get very small returns on it

[languid tiger]

that was my first experience as well

and then i learned that this game's patches is less of a shitbiscuit than the rest

if still his standard fucker self

[obtuse halo]

Upgrading shields raises guard boost though? That actually does matter

[languid tiger]

it's pretty big, yeah

[obtuse halo]

like, it's still way lower priority than your weapons

[languid tiger]

shield stability is fat

[obtuse halo]

but it does matter