this thing is mean
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
opaque canopy
languid tiger
have you found the butterflies lmao?
frail sky
No?
||Map fragment (and madness weapon) get!||
||Apparently this is the domain of one “Sage Midra”, sounds lovely||
proven horizon
:)
frail sky
||The good news is that the animals all seem to have their normal hp values so I can just kill them with a bow||
...
frozen olive
||said to be heralds of the aging untouchable||
tropic stream
You are more right than you think :)
frozen olive
it is not
vestal night
It's a Gravewort AFAIK
junior spade
it is
atomic plinth
Lmao really?
golden pond
Well this is bullshit lmao
sit on grace, coem back to kill it again
and it's just a ghost glovewort
i think a great one
atomic plinth
Eh, why bother, it's just a great glovewort and I have no use for em
golden pond
vestal night
Same thing happened to me too
golden pond
you might want a +10 summon in the future, idk
junior spade
it dropped normally for me, at least
atomic plinth
Speaking of upgrade materials, anyone need ancient dragon stones?
I have like 7 of the fucking things
junior spade
you cant trade them iirc
you might need them!
i sure know i went through all of mine
languid tiger
yeah no crafting materials no spells no key items
atomic plinth
Damn
Oh well
Oh, yeah, I'm starting up a FAI/INT build, what incantations should I take?
I'm thinking mostly support and AoEs for incants, let my sorceries do the brunt of my single target damage
frail sky
||Oh god I’ve found what this is referring to||
frail sky
Oh, yeah, I'm starting up a FAI/INT build, what incantations should I take?
Discus of li- oh for non damage
Golden vow is always a good option
atomic plinth
Is Discus really that good? Seems like it'd just be redundant since I use Comet.
Yeah Golden Vow's already in the spell list of course, Golden Vow's great
junior spade
the flame status cleanse is mvp for me
atomic plinth
That's a given too
Flame Cleanse Me is THE support incantation, it's fucking awesome
frail sky
Is Discus really that good? Seems like it'd just be redundant since I use Comet.
It’s 3 fp and does enough damage to two shot most trash mobs
And has decent range
junior spade
the blackflame buff is also huge for DLC
frail sky
It’s 3 fp and does enough damage to two shot most trash mobs
It’s not a boss killer or anything but it’s super efficient
atomic plinth
the blackflame buff is also huge for DLC
Which one is that?
atomic plinth
Jesus
junior spade
helps make up for the fact that huge casting builds usually dont wear armor that matters
frail sky
(It does reduce healing by 20% though)
frail sky
:)
frozen olive
to be fair
frozen olive
(area spoilers)||there are things that can kill even Torrent there, it's reasonable for Torrent to be afraid||
languid tiger
if you want the talisman more than the good end, yeah
mellow silo
Depends on if you have morals
frail sky
I don’t think there’s a reason not to kill her the moment she can drop it if you want the talisman
languid tiger
the talisman you get by not being evil is strictly worse
tropic stream
The planned build is using the (dlc items) ||two handed sword talisman||, so stacking two ‘damage increase in successive attacks’ talismans seems excessive
I feel like I’d benefit more from the Dex
The planned talismans are (dlc item spoilers) ||two-handed sword||, millicent’s prosthesis, ||two-headed turtle|| and carian filigreed
frail sky
Abyss: ||skill issue, I will simply not succumb to madness||
mellow silo
If you have the ||Clarifying Horn talismans||, now is the time
frail sky
I have ||lucidity||, I’ll be fine
frozen olive
||insight moment||
tropic stream
Is this a good dex/int stat distribution?
frozen olive
for what
languid tiger
Is this a good dex/int stat distribution?
that depends drastically on what weapon you're using
yes or no
depends
tropic stream
Using ||the new Int katana||
atomic plinth
||...the winter lantern things make no sense ngl||
||I killed God what do you mean I can't even hurt them||
frozen olive
personally i would want to go 60/60 on any important stats but it should be fine with 60/50
frozen olive
||I killed God what do you mean I can't even hurt them||
||The Aging Untouchable||
languid tiger
Using ||the new Int katana||
that one scales way harder with dex, so you'll get more from 80/30
frozen olive
personally i would want to go 60/60 on any important stats but it should be fine...
especially if you'e going 60 on vigor and 40 on endurance
tropic stream
30 feels a little low for the spellcasting part of the build...
tropic stream
What kind of spells should I go for then lol
Cuz the 'low int' variety of spellsword is entirely foreign to me
XD
frail sky
Abyss: ||skill issue, I will simply not succumb to madness||
Midra's manse:|| aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!||
frozen olive
Midra's manse:|| aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAA*AAAAAA**AAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!***||
||MADNESS COMBAT||
opaque canopy
Holy fuck, the ||Romina ||fight blew me away.
frozen olive
:)
kind garden
yeah it goes hard 🔥🔥🔥
languid tiger
Cuz the 'low int' variety of spellsword is entirely foreign to me
uhh, i don't usually do them either, but demihuman's is the best at 40 and under (and then academy glintstone ties at 41) and i think the nail spells are good at low stats
ember sky
frozen olive
lmao
languid tiger
or you go with swift shard and big stagger spells
old brook
Midra's manse:|| aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAA*AAAAAA**AAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!***||
such ost. Such voice acting. Such sfx on the phase transition
tropic stream
uhh, i don't usually do them either, but demihuman's is the best at 40 and under...
Oh the limits on my spell collection hurt holy fuck
tropic stream
Well at least there's no reason to use Nokstella
modest berry
||I killed God what do you mean I can't even hurt them||
||Interesting enough though you can parry them ||
frail sky
Midra's manse:|| aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAA*AAAAAA**AAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!***||
||Got him||
||Oh come on they're making me choose between a cool looking greatsword and a flame of frenzy incantation? This is unfair||
obtuse halo
Fortunately you can copy remembrances!
frail sky
Yeah but you can't copy too many of them 😔
frail sky
I already wasted one on a spell I won't use
atomic plinth
That's stupid
frail sky
||Greatsword of Damnation||
||Used by the hornsent in the execution of a damnation like no other||
||I mean this guy was trying to become a lord of the frenzied flame so kinda justified here||
languid tiger
||yeah but the hornsent inquisition also seemed to have genocided marika's people||
||so "justified" probably isn't exactly what they were concerned with||
||of course marika then turned around and did it back, so...||
obtuse halo
> ||Greatsword of Damnation||
> ||Used by the hornsent in the execution of a dam...
“Trying” is a strong word
tropic stream
heheh 80 vig 80 dex after talismans
frail sky
you can't copy DLC remembrances with walking mausoleums
Turns out you can
atomic plinth
||...fascinating, so the ghosts CAN perceive the world around them. I always thought they were completely unaware of their surroundings.||
glossy delta
> ||Greatsword of Damnation||
> ||Used by the hornsent in the execution of a dam...
||I honestly had assumed that the frenzied flame stuff came after he was persecuted||
||Since the paintings seem to imply that he had a happy life with his wife before Everything Went Wrong||
frail sky
||Mmm, fair yeah||
obtuse halo
“Endure”
tropic stream
I want to ||melt the armor on Gaius' fat pig until it's red hot then pull it off the fucking thing piece by piece||
obtuse halo
That bad, huh? I know the feeling
old brook
Judging from that ||journal entry, I think frenzy just started occurring naturally in that wood, runoff from the Various Hellish Tortures the hornsent enacted. And then Midra just.. happened to brush with it. The aging untouchable.||
tropic stream
I just died to him ||charging and me dodging in any reasonable universe three times in a row||
||Not that I died three times. I died once to him doing that move three fucking times in a row||
old brook
But also Nanaya seems to be || a finger maiden, her eyes in that painting, the torch..||
tropic stream
But also Nanaya seems to be || a finger maiden, her eyes in that painting, the t...
||ooooooooooooooooooooooooo~||
||scandalous||
old brook
From loves ||a strange woman that arrives to doom a place||
atomic plinth
Tha Elden Bling, what do y'all think
glossy delta
I will admit I was wearin the exact same outfit until just recently
Down to the carian knight gloves instead of Relanna's basic ones
obtuse halo
Not bad, though i think rellana’s armor looks weirdly broad on the player character
obtuse halo
Nah those silvers don’t match
grave plinth
Try Blaidd’s greaves
frozen olive
I wore Rennala's gloves with that combo
frail sky
Not bad, though i think rellana’s armor looks weirdly broad on the player charac...
I had to lower some of the body sliders on my character to make it look right
atomic plinth
Try Blaidd’s greaves
Dunno, their metal is a little too dark
obtuse halo
I had to lower some of the body sliders on my character to make it look right
Messing with the sliders is underrated as a fashion tool
frail sky
||Oh come on they're making me choose between a cool looking greatsword and a fl...
Midra: ||okay so the frenzied flame incantation is kinda mid, especially for two slots. It's kind of a worse inescapable frenzy||
frail sky
||Also not sure what the sword of damnation's ash of war means by "leap up and skewer foe from overhead. If successful, the weapon's barbs unfold to excruciate from within", I've skewered a few enemies with it and it doesn't seem to do anything special||
tropic stream
||Also not sure what the sword of damnation's ash of war means by "leap up and s...
||It does to enemy npcs and invaders and etc what it did to Midra||
obtuse halo
pvp weapons be like
I guess if you want to test it out, you can try it on ||the greater potentates in Bonny Village||
mellow silo
That's just Frenzy Burst but on crack
obtuse halo
huh. Apparently ||Leda's armor boosts the damage on dash/roll/backstep attacks?||
I wonder if that includes the bow's rolling shot. I might have to test that
because another damage boost would be precious
glossy delta
huh. Apparently ||Leda's armor boosts the damage on dash/roll/backstep attacks?|...
She also awards two charms for ||assisting in her invasions|| that do the same
frail sky
That's just Frenzy Burst but on crack
||I mean the incantation he does give is basically like if inescapable frenzy got blackout drunk and woke up in an alleyway||
mellow silo
Fair, lol
obtuse halo
She also awards two charms for ||assisting in her invasions|| that do the same
So what I'm hearing is I should definitely side with ||Leda|| on the archer LMAO
mellow silo
Would rather have the floor flame attack he has instead
obtuse halo
I sided with ||Hornsent|| my first time through anyway
frail sky
||His sword has worse damage than a sacred claymore but hopefully the ash of war is good enough to make up for that||
glossy delta
So what I'm hearing is I should definitely side with ||Leda|| on the archer LMAO
Annoyingly, ||helping ahnsbach|| gives a good bow
obtuse halo
wait, fuck
good point
||well I guess I can at least side against hornsent and see the branch where she targets ansbach||
proven horizon
||His sword has worse damage than a sacred claymore but hopefully the ash of war...
It mainly scales with strength iirc
atomic plinth
Is Miriam's Vanishing any good?
obtuse halo
I haven't tried it but it is funny that you actually get a ||teleport spell||
atomic plinth
...doesn't seem particularly great tbh
Casting time is too slow to really make it a viable alternative for dodging
It feels like it'd be fucking terrifying in PvP though, in the right hands
obtuse halo
yeah it kind of has pvp trolling energy
it'd be cool if you could charge it for really long jumps but I imagine they'd want to avoid that kind of thing for sequence breaking nonsense reasons
😛
stone cove
Re weapons: Elden ring Ar calculator is your friend
stone cove
obtuse halo
though it's of limited value for bows because it doesn't take ammo into account
stone cove
Makes it very easy to check how stats will effect a weapon
obtuse halo
and ammo damage actually does get added in with scaling calculation
incidentally lightning arrows are the best elemental arrows usually because lightning damage will actually scale with a bow's dex scaling
fire and holy arrows scale with faith but only if the bow has faith scaling (so, erdtree bow. it's not good)
Magic/Dwelling Arrows are worthwhile on a horn bow build tho
stone cove
Serpent bow is sitting around being creepy to
Because it has arcane scaling, arrows fired from it benefit for status inflicting
Also it adds poison to any arrow fired. Weird bloody thing
obtuse halo
serpent bow does interesting things with arcane, yeah
dusty kraken
It's pretty good if you're using the poison arrows
obtuse halo
though unfortunately it's only good for that - just doesn't have the nice moveset or any damage, and unlilke magic arrows you can't stack up terra magica and other magic damage buffs for a magic archer sort of build
int archer is surprisingly functional on paper, though clearly just making things harder on yourself compared to, like, doing actual offensive sorcery 😛
dusty kraken
To be fair, int archer makes a good backup for a sorcerer. XD
obtuse halo
It's pretty good if you're using the poison arrows
you're not wrong, but also you can just use poison arrows on other bows and they're almost as good
and benefit from things other bows have to offer!
though really we're sorting out the C-tier, bows are just not it for playing the game "normally"
obtuse halo
...Jesus Christ Taylew is fucking nuts
I've been really disappointed with the named summons I've tried so I'm happy to hear at least a couple of them are good 😛
the only one I've been remotely impressed by so far is Bloodfiend Hexer, which is pretty much "we have mohg at home"
mellow silo
Scarlet Rot, and you can tank basically his entire movement if you go full turtle mode
Seems like Antspur Rapier shield pokes are the best way to win
vivid spire
He’s too damn fast for wing stance
obtuse halo
The final boss took me a lot of tries slowly mastering his moveset
apparently turtle pokes are the 'optimal' strat though yeah
I did it shieldless tho
phase 1 wasn't too bad to learn, phase 2 is hell though
trying to create distance is a trap, boss is just too aggressive and spams aoes that will rollcatch
you want to be rolling through attacks and generally trying to get behind the boss
stone cove
I ended up just pulling out my Carian Thrusting Shield and beating him to death with that
stone cove
trying to create distance is a trap, boss is just too aggressive and spams aoes ...
This is bad advice. A bunch of his attacks can be beaten by just sprinting (clones, rock barrage, giant aoe)
Quite a few can be jumped
stone cove
He's very vulnerable to parrying as well, like 90% of his moveset can be jumped
Err, parried*
It takes 3 to get a crit, but a parry still breaks his attack sequence, so slap Carian Retaliation on something and get to work
obtuse halo
I have tried sprinting all of those attacks and it has literally never worked. 😛
Maybe someone better than me can!
languid tiger
the orbital laser can be sprinted, but the timing is incredibly tight
obtuse halo
(Massive Spoilers, final boss)
vivid spire
OH NO
Yall
I have no clue
Increased my poise far
Using scarlet rot and bleed
(I feel morally ok with using them now that I know the truth)
obtuse halo
yeah this boss has really got hands
obtuse halo
until I slowly started working out the moveset, i was in a headspace of "oh no. I might actually not be good enough for this"
glossy delta
(Massive Spoilers, final boss)
||I saw art of Ranni riding the Tarnished's shoulders with four scavengers curved swords while the tarnished holds two more a while back and did not clock the inspiration for such a piece until just now||
vivid spire
||Miquella|| you can have this one
I have absolutely no desire to fight you
Like go marry the hunk
I’m gonna nope outta here
If this is Saiyan mode for ||Radhan|| then I don’t wanna see you
This boss doesn’t fill me with rage
More just pure fuck no energy
vivid spire
Edit
||I’m barely scratching Radhan with rot and rominas halberd||
And I changed my build to a Fai Arc split
Rot doesn’t seem to work?
mellow silo
Spoiler your boss names pls
past shard
May take a while to start a proc
vivid spire
Nothing works
So far
I don’t even remember how I got to second phase
Also that was my last larval tear
obtuse halo
Scarlet Aeonia consistently did it in one or two casts but that's Scarlet Aeonia
idk how it is with rot breath
vivid spire
vivid spire
Scarlet Aeonia consistently did it in one or two casts but that's Scarlet Aeonia
That means i gotta fight Malenia…
obtuse halo
I came at it with a full caster build, combining Scarlet Aeonia, Zamor Ice Storm, and Inpenetrable Thorns
glossy delta
Use rot breath with a mimic tear
Happens basically instantly phase 1 and is Possible phase 2
As opposed to Not Possible with every other rot source
languid tiger
i just parried
vivid spire
I came at it with a full caster build, combining Scarlet Aeonia, Zamor Ice Storm...
I was gonna do that with blackflame
languid tiger
a lot
vivid spire
But the Blackflame didn’t work either
obtuse halo
yeah there's no secret sauce, even with a good damage setup you just can't make many mistakes
vivid spire
My last larval tear
mellow silo
Better learn the art of save editing ig
vivid spire
Pest spears and dragon incants kinda work
languid tiger
those are definitely the easier ways
obtuse halo
it's more permissive than past games. DS3 was capped at 5 per ng cycle
hardcapped, you just couldn't do it any more even if you had the item
mellow silo
Once I figure out save editing (and get over my irrational fear of 6 billion viruses), I need to give myself 999 larval tears
obtuse halo
I'd give people free larval tears if trading were less of a hassle, it's not like I ever use them
well. I've used them like twice ever in ten playthroughs
mellow silo
Can't trade em
obtuse halo
oh well there you go
mellow silo
They're Key Items
vivid spire
Oh my god
So dragon incants seem to work
But like
I HAVENT EVEN GOTTEN HIM DOWN A QUARTER?
mellow silo
Man has Yes HP
umbral portal
Remember to step away when you get too frustrated Scribble
vivid spire
I am at 50 arcane and 45 faith
vivid spire
Remember to step away when you get too frustrated Scribble
I just got on the tv I ain’t quitting
obtuse halo
yeah there was a time when getting him below 60% seemed an impossible task
obtuse halo
i'd get to phase 2 and then get rekt without doing any more damage
vivid spire
Hmm
obtuse halo
Malenia is much easier than this boss imo
trail sail
Bleed/Frostbite are very good friends here too
obtuse halo
I would know
mellow silo
Malenia is less of a problem than you might think
She's got like, two hard to dodge attacks, that's it
Everything else is pretty easy with a bit of practice for the timings
obtuse halo
I've beaten her bow-only and that was comparable to beating this boss with one of my strongest characters
difficulty-wise
vivid spire
Maybe that’s what I need to do
Wing stance
Welp I was hoping for special dialogue after the dlc
Or something
Time to kill wife
I doubt there’s anything special dlc wise
Oh she always gets me she’s so beautiful
I’m so sorry
Oh I feel horrible
obtuse halo
😭
kind garden
I thought Miquella was the one with the power to compel affection
obtuse halo
as an alternative you can try the scarlet rot spell from ||Romina's Remembrance|| but I had less luck with it than Aeonia
vivid spire
I thought Miquella was the one with the power to compel affection
Well I’m just a romantic at heart
You know what
kind garden
as an alternative you can try the scarlet rot spell from ||Romina's Remembrance|...
It’s kiiiiinda garbage
vivid spire
I’ll kill her with dignity
kind garden
That spell should’ve had the flight property greater Dragon Communion spells have
obtuse halo
they added hyperarmor and it's amazing now
kind garden
I’m gonna be real
Poise and hyper armour as terms drive me fucking insane
Because when I read hyper armour I’m thinking fuckin’ Maxima or Potemkin
obtuse halo
do you have a preferred term?
glossy delta
I am SO looking forward to the first DLC patch
Reminder that the Carian Sorcery Sword casts spells on its heavy attack, but its incant scaling
A: does not display in stats cuz its a sword
B: Is locked to 0
I'm not sure A is even fixable but B needs to be if its to remain in the game
kind garden
No no this is FGs brain rot at work
obtuse halo
aha
obtuse halo
I am SO looking forward to the first DLC patch
Reminder that the Carian Sorcery ...
oh no
kind garden
That term’s heavily loaded for people who play fighting games
obtuse halo
I had no idea, that's not ideal!
that weapon looks so cool too, I loved Blue Flame in DS2
glossy delta
Its very sad
Because like
There are three different brands of 'carian sword melee' spell
Slicer, Greatsword, Piercer
And bein able to hotswap heavy attacks like that as well as cast with a shield as well as just have a normal thrusting sword sounds hype
glossy delta
Oh yes gavel too
Gavel is a lil silly looking but yes
languid tiger
as an alternative you can try the scarlet rot spell from ||Romina's Remembrance|...
that one's scarlet aeonia but bad
glossy delta
There's also rock blaster to make your sword into a drill
kind garden
I mean I guess Rock Blaster also exists…
languid tiger
in return for only being 1 memory
trail sail
Is it like, a straight up cast of the spell? On the heavy attack?
obtuse halo
yeah unfortunately you just kind of stagger right out of it
kind garden
Is it like, a straight up cast of the spell? On the heavy attack?
Aye
obtuse halo
which is a shame cuz it's cool
glossy delta
Is it like, a straight up cast of the spell? On the heavy attack?
Yeah instead of a heavy attack you wave it like a catalyst and spell come out
obtuse halo
Is it like, a straight up cast of the spell? On the heavy attack?
yeah, just like Blue Flame from DS2
trail sail
That'll be hot once it gets fixed
languid tiger
blue flame fucks
obtuse halo
unfortunately apparently it has no spell scaling which is. not great
languid tiger
i miss the sanctum shield and disc chime
vivid spire
Wait
obtuse halo
There's a ||hybrid catalyst|| in the dlc too, though I didn't like it 😔
languid tiger
proven horizon
i *really* like the disc chime
Disc chime my beloved
languid tiger
i wish that the carian sorcery sword was like
not a sword
everything's a sword in the dlc
everything's a sword in the main game too, but like
this was the chance to change that
proven horizon
It does make sense that it's a sword. Carians love their swords
languid tiger
but instead 4 new sword categories and 20 new swords
kind garden
Oh btw I did a Storm build for invading and it’s toxic as hell lmao
obtuse halo
eh, there's lots of cool non-sword stuff
glossy delta
Also, much more minor gripe about the CSS
Its a somber weapon and its weapon art is uh
Impaling Thrust
obtuse halo
and I'm happy to have a casting option that isn't an ugly stick
kind garden
The poise activation on Horn Calling: Storm is monstrous
glossy delta
At least give it glintstone pebble or something so I can save a spell slot
obtuse halo
the only staff I love the look of in ER is actually the Demihuman Queen Staff
languid tiger
eh, there's lots of cool non-sword stuff
sure but there are as many swords as there are non-swords
glossy delta
The Carian Regal Scepter is funny cuz it looks like a sword but yeah
languid tiger
maybe more
kind garden
I’ve always been a fan of gnarly fucked up looking staves
So I’m super excited to use the hybrid
obtuse halo
yeah it's fine, they're just all that
languid tiger
i wanted more weird fucked up boss weapons and pure element weapons
kind garden
Elden Ring satisfies my “but can I look like an absolute filthy vagabond freak” quota for dress up in RPGs
languid tiger
alas, dlc2 never
obtuse halo
i wanted more weird fucked up boss weapons and pure element weapons
perfume bottles are where it's at for pure element weapons
glossy delta
I dearly wish to do something with the hybrid catalyst yeah
But int faith is deeply bizarre
I don't like sword of night and flame so I guess I'd go Rellanas Twin Blades for the melee weapon, but those are a lil weird too
kind garden
If we DID get a 2nd DLC I’d pop off so hard Hungrybox would look like a solemn stoic in comparison.
obtuse halo
even just the fire perfume is a pure fire damage dex weapon, which is a great option to have on the table
I do like Sword of Night and Flame and used it extensively
languid tiger
the perfume bottles do make me super happy, yeah
obtuse halo
I dearly wish to do something with the hybrid catalyst yeah
But int faith is dee...
you could also try a smithscript weapon faith or int infused
kind garden
Like full on Gamer Goof of the Century 150 bystanders (annihilated) pop off
glossy delta
you could also try a smithscript weapon faith or int infused
I feel like that would leave the other mental stat with like E- scaling but hm maybe
languid tiger
and more damage type variety per non-fth stat
kind garden
I remain sad that INT/ARC got little love and we didn’t find another whetblade with some esoteric infusions
vivid spire
obtuse halo
Well, bloodflame is available as a buff but yeah
languid tiger
pure faith red lightning infusion
obtuse halo
"Dark" infusion a la ds2 would be cool, sure
languid tiger
ghostflame as an int-scaling fire damage would've been nice too
kind garden
Ghost flame has always been magic damage with cold
glossy delta
Well, bloodflame is available as a buff but yeah
But if your using bloodflame buff your weapon cant be infused 😭
glossy delta
The revelation that the fire knight weapons can be given cold infusion and retain a small bit of fire damage is fascinating I admit
languid tiger
i adore that they added more infusable innate elemental weapons
and innate mental scaling weapons
wish we'd gotten a couple for arc, but the fire knight and smithscript stuff is great
glossy delta
Yeah, getting freaky with infusions is fun
obtuse halo
There are definitely some cool arc weapons, though idk if any are infusable
vivid spire
It’s kinda funny all my Malenia romance fics involve killing Mohg in some way
I was so wrong lmao
(She did nothing wrong)
glossy delta
According to the wiki, Bloodfiends Arm can be infused
kind garden
As a fan fiction writer I regret to inform you that Miyazonky took aim and slung a nuclear bomb in your direction
glossy delta
The greatspear is not infusable but the fork and arm are
vivid spire
It added a bunch of new content to the Haligtree and also you used the egg to go to another dimension
kind garden
Damn it, this DLC has done exactly what it was supposed to do in that I am now extraordinarily hungry for more soulsbornekiroring
glossy delta
Accordin to Fextra, Notably Wretched Wiki Site
Have half a mind to go find one and test it myself
obtuse halo
my morals leaving my body as I realize the mean lady is hot:
||this is a post about Leda||
vivid spire
my morals leaving my body as I realize the mean lady is hot:
I mean
I feel more sympathetic to Malenia
languid tiger
basically just a worse mohgwyn's sacred spear but with like
vivid spire
Especially because she couldn’t really control the scarlet rot without outside intervention
languid tiger
a fucktillion arc scaling
vivid spire
||Leda|| is fucking insane so there’s that
vivid spire
First of all, you should support women’s wrongs
Well uh I wanna be cuddled and cherished so uhh I have incentive to support both
glossy delta
a fucktillion arc scaling
Also apparently, vitally
Its weapon art drops the blood nuke on what you are locked on too
Not yourself
vivid spire
Ranni is nice too
Less excusable but please hold me close and affirm my gender ma’am
kind garden
Also apparently, vitally
Its weapon art drops the blood nuke on what you are loc...
Ayo??
vivid spire
Also apparently, vitally
Its weapon art drops the blood nuke on what you are loc...
Yoo?
obtuse halo
wait, really? That's incredible lmaooo
kind garden
We got remote Nihil?
vivid spire
So I gotta farm these blood goblin dudes?
This will be a godsend for my arc build
Miyazaki saw the dozens of pages of my ending and just
kind garden
It remains fucked up to this day that Strength is the only circumventable stat requirement
glossy delta
I know the bloodfiends that actually use it drop it on you
vivid spire
Oh it’s the fork
Interesting
I guess I’ll try grinding
I’ve never really touched bleed incantations much because I felt morally repugnant using them
trail sail
Everyone talking about Leda but not Ansbach 
vivid spire
Funny how that works despite also having the mindset of “you don’t need a god to channel magic”
obtuse halo
eh in pve you do what you gotta do
vivid spire
(My headcannon)
kind garden
Allegations beaten, you can do whatever you want
languid tiger
I’ve never really touched bleed incantations much because I felt morally repugna...
wait, but you're willing to use rot?
vivid spire
My headcannon anyone can use magic or incantations with training as we see random npcs with casting incantations
vivid spire
wait, but you're willing to use rot?
Yeah my morals are uhh..
languid tiger
nothing actually makes bleed stuff morally fucked
kind garden
Hot lady oriented apparently
obtuse halo
Bleed has also mostly been brought into line fwiw
vivid spire
No you don’t get it as soon as I got strong enough I’d always pop down and beat the shit out of mohg
glossy delta
Also apparently, vitally
Its weapon art drops the blood nuke on what you are loc...
Yep! Just confirmed its ranged
trail sail
Allegations beaten, you can do whatever you want
Allegations destroyed
vivid spire
I despised him for the subtext of uh
obtuse halo
it was insanely busted for a while early in the game's lifespan and people talked mad shit
vivid spire
cough
kind garden
Remember when bleed was PROPER broken?
vivid spire
Weird shit
vivid spire
Remember when bleed was PROPER broken?
Yes
obtuse halo
It's still good, but no longer trivializes anything that isn't immune to it
vivid spire
I’ll try the twin blades on ||Radhan||
Maybe bleed is what I missed
Also ansbach is hot too
languid tiger
It's still good, but no longer trivializes anything that isn't immune to it
everything still weak to it though god damn
vivid spire
Hot lady oriented apparently
Well uh as a bisexual I need to..
Hmm
I need to find a hot man to utilize my skewed morals on
Fuck it ansbach
Do I get double damage
vivid spire
everything still weak to it though god damn
I’m struggling because I used to use the wiki for everything boss weakness wise
And we’re still in the stage of see what sticks
obtuse halo
yeah a major advantage of my int/faith hybrid build I ran was an insane amount of flexibility without respeccing
can try any element I want, any status I want, etc
glossy delta
.............A keen Bloodfiend Fork has B/D scaling Dex/Arc, and can take Bloodflame Blade still
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
obtuse halo
yeah "mundane" infusions + buffs can frequently kick all kinds of ass compared to infusions
though you do gotta actually cast the buffs
vivid spire
yeah a major advantage of my int/faith hybrid build I ran was an insane amount o...
What were your stats?
vivid spire
.............A keen Bloodfiend Fork has B/D scaling Dex/Arc, and can take Bloodf...
It STACKS
obtuse halo
What were your stats?
70/70 int and faith, 60 vig, 30 mind, and not much else!
obtuse halo
yeah I went to level 200 for the dlc final boss
just leveling naturally through playing the dlc
I started at 150
languid tiger
I wish the fingie staff had slightly higher dual scaling
it's understandable that it doesn't though
and it's super good until after 60/60, which is like...the reasonable point for pvp n shit
obtuse halo
yeah I tried the hybrid staff and didn't keep it, opting to continue swapping off between golden order seal and prince of death staff
I'd long since gotten used to it anyway
opaque canopy
I'm kind of obsessed with everything to do with ||Trina and her area of the Stone Coffin Fissure||. Just, man, using the visuals of ||soporific sludge and bright pinks and purples and whites to symbolize sleep||? Such a great choice. And the character design. And the area music. Ugh.
obtuse halo
I'm kind of obsessed with everything to do with ||Trina and her area of the Ston...
After beating the DLC final boss, you can return there to find ||a flower to put in your hair||
😌
opaque canopy
yeeeaaaahahhhh
frozen olive
After beating the DLC final boss, you can return there to find ||a flower to put...
||Got me sad asf cause i really liked St.Trina||
obtuse halo
yeah...
languid tiger
she's an interesting character
obtuse halo
congrats!
glossy stag
I never found my last 3 scadutree blessings
same
and I kind of not willing to go looking 
languid tiger
but it's fine, 18/8 are the points of 1.0 20/10
so 19/9 was like
still above-par
so I felt zero need to look for the others
glossy stag
it didn't take me that many tries do beat final boss with jolly cooperation (summoning only one person), but I still think it's overtuned
modest berry
have i been underleveled for this whole thing at 133 or does the scadutree stuff make it not matter so much
glossy stag
Also ||poor Mohg||, aside from all ||the blood sacrifices and what not||
glossy stag
have i been underleveled for this whole thing at 133 or does the scadutree stuff...
It modifies attack and defence by percentage
So your base does matter I would say
modest berry
||ive been thinking of that one rolling loud dababy article but with "the lgbt community has forgiven mogh lord of blood||
languid tiger
Also ||poor Mohg||, aside from all ||the blood sacrifices and what not||
ALLEGATIONS BEATEN
glossy stag
ALLEGATIONS BEATEN
Aside from all the other atrocities, yes.
languid tiger
those ones aren't allegations
trail sail
Yeah we can't really forgive Mogh for the Other Shit He Did, but the DLC has absolutely made him beat the allegations
stone cove
yeah "mundane" infusions + buffs can frequently kick all kinds of ass compared t...
I crunched the math yesterday, and ironically the way it works out, if you want to do status, Heavy Beast Claw is better.
If you want to do damage and have levels to spare, Occult is better.
languid tiger
oh, unrelated
where the hell do you find the euporia?
really can't find its secret spot
stone cove
@languid tiger Back track from the Spiral Rise site of grace. Try looking down when you're on the stairs
languid tiger
gotcha, thanks
stone cove
It is at the end of a very, very long secret path
languid tiger
yeah I just couldn't figure out where to start looking
stone cove
It is so long that to memory, you can actually open a shortcut during said secret path
which is the wackiest fucking thing
trail sail
That's fucked
languid tiger
that's so goofy
stone cove
It is immensly funny
languid tiger
I love it
stone cove
That's the area i was going on about "Are you okay devs? please have your level designer see a therapist"
vivid spire
Yeah we can't really forgive Mogh for the Other Shit He Did, but the DLC has abs...
My fucking worldview is shaken
I was firmly in the “Mohg is awful gay representation”
Like I was like “it’s so obvious gr martin made this because this is so crass and vile”
frail sky
Awful gay rep as in gay rep that’s bad or gay rep that’s of an awful person?
vivid spire
Just.. bad
It doesn’t help that a lot of the weirdos who say gay people are pedos also are gamer chuds
glossy stag
no brain, bad brain (last boss of the dlc brainrot) ||Radahn didn't have a horsey in this one, Radahn was a horsey||
stone cove
For extra context, the secret path takes you
From near the top of ||Ein-iln to just above the swamp in Belrut. It is a ridiclous amount of vertical height you drop.||
frail sky
Awful gay rep as in gay rep that’s bad or gay rep that’s of an awful person?
Actually, that reminds me of something
I cannot tell if it means questionable as in bad or questionable as in “does this count?”
atomic plinth
I cannot tell if it means questionable as in bad or questionable as in “does this count?”
Yes
Though Ranni definitely counts, since you can marry her regardless of whether you're a man or a woman
frail sky
Yeh
vivid spire
OH RENNALA
AHUGH
I love her
My standard for woman is loves and cherishes me and I would die for her and do anything for her
Chivalry but uh
Gay
glossy stag
Can I imagine a ||tiny Ranni doll sitting on the shoulder of my fem character|| as I fight ||Radahn with Miquella|| to make it extra funny to myself?
Second spoiler is for very end of dlc again just in case.
vivid spire
Can I imagine a ||tiny Ranni doll sitting on the shoulder of my fem character|| ...
Yes
Ranni and Melina for me.. I love them ahhhhh
proven horizon
I like Radagon :)
languid tiger
big fan of both radagon and marika
frail sky
Ranni and Melina for me.. I love them ahhhhh
Hey did you know there’s a way to keep Melina alive? All you need to do i- I am tackled out a window for once again endorsing the frenzied flame
glossy stag
Shabriri of compassionate manipulation.
proven horizon
Thanks Shabriri
glossy stag
Before breaking into shouting may chaos take the world
Kind of fumbled there at the end
atomic plinth
...man it'd be real fucking nice if I could see what was happening in the Messmer fight
proven horizon
Hope you don't mind me killing malenia too, I'm going to perform a funny trick
atomic plinth
Can't see a thing past the sheets of fire
glossy stag
Oh ye, visibility is a problem in a lot of the fights in the dlc I feel
atomic plinth
...be equally nice if my character could drink shit faster
glossy stag
Oh ye, visibility is a problem in a lot of the fights in the dlc I feel
me just muttering - the wall! the wall! the wall!, in a lot of the fights 
atomic plinth
...god this fight already fucking sucks
potent perch
depending on who you have or haven't fought yet, I'm inclined to tell you it might get worse
stone cove
Oh ye, visibility is a problem in a lot of the fights in the dlc I feel
||Midra|| pissed me off becaus eontop of doing the super delayed attack bullshit that should, by rights, see his guts all over the floor in any reasonble fight, his super nova attack makes seeing all the otehr aoes really fucking hard
Very annoying
glossy stag
Spoilers for the optional boss in top part of ancient ruin of rauh - ||the AUDACITY of them to have one of it's phases be the element of BUNCH OF BASILISKS||
atomic plinth
To be fair, it's at least less annoying than ||Metyr||
stone cove
Spoilers for the optional boss in top part of ancient ruin of rauh - ||the AUDAC...
That was just funny though
atomic plinth
At least Messmer stops attacking every once in a while
languid tiger
||Midra|| pissed me off becaus eontop of doing the super delayed attack bullshit...
huh, I thought that was a pretty fair fight
atomic plinth
...I am also wearing a soreseal
stone cove
Delayed attacks are somethign i really hate, because they break immersion for me
atomic plinth
That might be why I'm having such a bad time
languid tiger
I think delayed attacks are necessary in the world of elden ring dodge rolls
potent perch
oh yeah the soreseal might be doing it
languid tiger
to make bosses not just KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN
stone cove
No, because monster hunter does it without hte same bullshit
atomic plinth
There we go, 60+ defenses across the board
languid tiger
No, because monster hunter does it without hte same bullshit
monhun does not have elden ring dodges
atomic plinth
I'll be giving up some of my incantations though
languid tiger
I said something specific and meant that
glossy stag
There we go, 60+ defenses across the board
what is your blessing level?
stone cove
@languid tiger Yeah, monhun's has less iframes.
atomic plinth
what is your blessing level?
114
languid tiger
correct, yes
languid tiger
that is my point
monster hunter doesn't have absurdly strong rolls
like ds3 and ER have
atomic plinth
<@156213425859592193> Yeah, monhun's has less iframes.
With that one dodge skill maxed out it's less than a fatroll has
Which is fucking abysmal
vivid spire
Hey did you know there’s a way to keep Melina alive? All you need to do i- *I am...
I made a Melina ending that didn’t need the flame
languid tiger
so it doesn't need to make bosses punish you for rollspamming, because you can't
stone cove
So.
languid tiger
ER does so as to reduce the ability to roll forever
stone cove
My issue is that Elden Ring relies on making it's defences entirely Reactive
instead of proactive
DSuper delayed attacks are a punishment for not getting your timing exactly right
stone cove
With that one dodge skill maxed out it's less than a fatroll has
I actually really like dodges in monhun, because of the proactive nature they work a lot better
I frankly think they could nerf rolling and rebalance around that, than going we made rollign super strong, so now we have to introduce attacks that get held in the air forever
vivid spire
Hope you don't mind me killing malenia too, I'm going to perform a funny trick
Kills wife
Hmm
stone cove
It's just not a style i enjoy and it hink it flattens the defence space in the game in uninteresting ways
vivid spire
Acceptable
frail sky
I remember rolls in monster hunter being a lot more situational due to the lower i frames and the monsters usually having lingering hitboxes
stone cove
The thing is in Monster Hunter you can pro-actively manuver around
atomic plinth
I actually really like dodges in monhun, because of the proactive nature they wo...
They're not awful, yeah, I just wish they had more Iframes
stone cove
They're really not dogwater, they're quite good
glossy stag
In monhun attacks are usually way more telegraphed
languid tiger
but it still has massively lingering hitboxes
stone cove
Exception: Plesioth.
stone cove
generally in monster hunter the idea is you see an attack comming and just gtfo out of the way
languid tiger
monhun is an entirely different experience all about prepositioning
stone cove
and a lot of rolling is not just I-frames but mostly getting out of the way
Yeah, taht's why i call it a pro-active rather than re-active game
languid tiger
and rolling is there mostly to facilitate generous prepositioning
stone cove
you can go for reactive play, and Evade Up exists to support this style
and dual blades esp thriive on doing evade up bullshit
playing rise and watching Teo charge his nova, i side step through it
everyone else in the 4 player party eats shit
never not funny.
glossy stag
just parry everything with LS, easy
stone cove
I mean, we did get the awesome parry for dual blades.
glossy stag
But that's maybe going too far from the topic of the room.
proven horizon
I frankly think they could nerf rolling and rebalance around that, than going we...
I've mentioned this before, but I really like long-held attack on enemies. They make being super aggressive feel really rewarding as you can sneak in hits between attack strings
stone cove
I wish i was recording one time, i got the most anime shit - me vs Diablos, Diablos charges, i counter wi9th the dual blades parry, there's a flash, i land on my feet, and diablos goes slamming into the ground as it's tail flies off.
stone cove
I've mentioned this before, but I really like long-held attack on enemies. They ...
It just fucks with my mindset too much, i cannot enjoy it. I've been playing monhun for uh, shit.
Longer than a decade, i'm pretty sure. I started back in Tri (the first one), so like... yaknow.
proven horizon
The fact that certain boss moves reward jumping over dodge rolling is also cool. I honestly think they could have leaned into it a bit more, because it feels great to pull off
stone cove
That's actually a frustrating i have w ith eldedn ring/the dlc. Not that you can jump attacks, that's cool
but that the visuals are verfy bad at teaching you what is jumpable vs not
proven horizon
Jumping ||Rellana's moon attack|| feels great
stone cove
Like i killed rellana the other night by jumping her flaming thrust
Which is comptely non-intuitve that you can jump that.
To say nothing for the various aoes that you can jump to avoid and then land in teh lingering visuals
frail sky
I really need to learn to actually jump attacks instead of rolling everything
stone cove
Like i'm totally fine iwth jumping being a tactic - i think it's good. Same as i wish they'd leaned into the Defelecting Tear thing more
i just think the visuals need to catch up and the game needs to do a better job of teaching you that you have a quite wide defensive toolbox
(There's a very strong argument that elden ring is well, quite shit, at teasching you how to play the gamei n general)
proven horizon
I also saw a very cool trick of (final boss spoilers) ||Backstepping Radahn's really fast left-right swing move, and using raptor of the mist on Miquella's Tpose nuke||
stone cove
eg it dosent really communcaite that spellcasting is for everyone, and very accesible - even dedicated physical builds can muster up the spellcasting for some pretty basic stuff
some of which is quite potent (Bestial Vitality is the best FP to HP spell for instance)
Or how potent item crafting is (which, frankly, it shoots itself in the foot by making it something you have to grind in a lot of cases. very silly)
glossy stag
Jumping ||Rellana's moon attack|| feels great
glossy delta
I also saw a very cool trick of (final boss spoilers) ||Backstepping Radahn's re...
Raptor Of The Mist and/or Vow Of The Indomitable really change how a lot of fights play yeah
proven horizon
Or how potent item crafting is (which, frankly, it shoots itself in the foot by ...
Yeah, item crafting is really handy for the on-demand elemental damage
stone cove
It's so frustrating they had such a good idea in cracked pots
and then... half-arsed it so badly.
proven horizon
I'll normally rustle up some fire pots and fire grease in the early game for clearing out erdtree avatars super easy
stone cove
"half of this item is infinite, but has to be remade each time!" "Oh, and you're grinding the rest. have fun."
proven horizon
Yeah, some of the required components stink
stone cove
Just.. just make Cracked versions of pyre flies etc
proven horizon
mfw I have to farm mountaintop of giant hairy trolls for a 30% arteria leaf drop chance
stone cove
It's extra frustratying because if you did everything based around the Cracked system - hell, go as far as making it that they only restock whjen you hit a campfire
atomic plinth
...boy I love instakill mechanics, they're always so fun and never feel like shit to play against
stone cove
You would have a really cool crafting system for consuemables where you're going "Well, i only have 20 Scorched Butterflies. So i could make 20 fire pots, but that means no fire grease, and no redmane fire pots"
And actually have pick and choose thoughts
proven horizon
...boy I love instakill mechanics, they're always so fun and never feel like shi...
Don't forget defensive talismans! They can add a fair bit to your durability!
stone cove
As it is, i just use cheat engine to dump crafting materials into my inventory, becuase fffffuuuuuuuuuck grinding
proven horizon
Yeah, that's fair
stone cove
Which makes me sad, but it's a net improvemnt to my fun over grinding.
obtuse halo
mfw I have to farm mountaintop of giant hairy trolls for a 30% arteria leaf drop...
yeah there are a few ingredients like this that are technically farmable but deeply cursed
arteria leaves, aeonian butterflies, formic rock...
proven horizon
yeah there are a few ingredients like this that are _technically_ farmable but d...
Sacramental buds are a really bad one
obtuse halo
miranda powder is semi-cursed but not as bad as the above three
proven horizon
You can find a fair few in the overworld, but they don't respawn. They're a 3% drop chance from enemies in specific areas and you need them to craft anti scarlet rot boluses
obtuse halo
yep
languid tiger
Sacramental buds are a really bad one
also gravel stones
languid tiger
like 1% drops from the farum azula beastmen
proven horizon
Anti-dragon goop
frail sky
arteria leaves, aeonian butterflies, formic rock...
I'm convinced formic rocks were meant to respawn and they just never bothered fixing them
obtuse halo
ah yeah that's just not worth bothering
languid tiger
dragonbolt pots too
obtuse halo
Formic Rock is also not worth bothering, since the only thing it's used for is acid spray and acid spray is hot garbage
languid tiger
so your consumable only runs are fucked on the best lightning pot
obtuse halo
miranda powder and arteria leaves hurt more because they're used in some actually good recipes
proven horizon
Formic Rock is also not worth bothering, since the only thing it's used for is a...
but my patches cosplay :(
languid tiger
arteria leaves are used in a lot
obtuse halo
😔
yeah
miranda powder and arteria leaves are your two fundamental bases for perfumery
also, perfumery, god what an underused concept
proven horizon
I did do a fair bit of farming for poison spraymist compenents and it was very annoying, even if it was one of the less obnoxious runs
You could (iirc) get everything you needed from doing the perfumer ruins repeatedly
obtuse halo
I like the new perfume bottles so you can make a perfumer concept actually work, but it really doesn't fix the issues with the extant perfuming system as much as pave right over them, leaving them a vestige
obtuse halo
You could (iirc) get everything you needed from doing the perfumer ruins repeate...
yeah altus blooms and miranda powder can both be found in supply there
miranda powder drops from perfumers it's just a pain in the ass to kill groups of perfumers
frail sky
Arteria leaves feel like they're all over the place until the exact moment you realize how good the recipes they're used in are
proven horizon
I like the new perfume bottles so you can make a perfumer concept actually work,...
Uplifting and Bloodboil Aromatics are both really good buffs
obtuse halo
yes
obtuse halo
and yet you will be burning arteria leaves like the saint of the bud
proven horizon
Poison Spraymist is also fun. It's not good because it has a long, awkward animation, but it does more damage than scarlet rot, which is cool
languid tiger
god, +6 to str/dex/vig/end
frail sky
Wait what
frail sky
It's better than scarlet rot!?
languid tiger
you can only farm the gravel stones from the fucking slimes
proven horizon
Yup lol
languid tiger
*It's better than scarlet rot!?*
player spell rot deals 13+0.33% hp/s
spraymist deals 21+0.21% hp/s
but 90s vs 30s
player weapon rot deals 15+0.18% hp/s
trail sail
Huh, Rot has different damage values depending on source?
Interesting
Does ash of war rot count as spell or weapon?
proven horizon
Same thing for enemies and environment, too.
proven horizon
Swamp of Aeonia and Lake of Rot both do 2% max health per second, but Aeonia does 8 additional damage while lake of rot does 30
languid tiger
malenia deals 3.3%+26/s
atomic plinth
Boutta go beat up Tragoth
...kinda don't want to, he's a nice fella
But I do want to advance Patches's quest
proven horizon
He is a nice fella, but damn if he doesn't have nice shoes
atomic plinth
And having The Ultratank armor is appealing
proven horizon
I only realised in the character I did for my DLC playthrough that you can actually get his squat emote after completing his quest
languid tiger
And having The Ultratank armor is appealing
the DLC adds some more gigatank armor!
the verdigris set is on-par with the bull-goat
slightly lighter, slightly worse strike res but higher other physicals, better holy and worse fire/light, same poise
atomic plinth
There is also completionism to consider
...unrelated, but I wanna punt this little fucker off the edge SO bad
languid tiger
dewit
atomic plinth
I'm gonna go get a weapon with the Kick ash of war
THE DEED IS DONE
Man that felt satisfying
dusty kraken
The game honestly needs more places you can boot people from the edge.
It feels like a lot less people die falling from high places than did in Dark Souls.
languid tiger
we need a lautrec
glossy delta
I'm feeling something with the Solitude armor on my dueling shield char soon
Verdigris discus, two-handed, great shield, drake great shield 🤔
proven horizon
Doesn't verdegris discus only have effects when you're at heavy rolling and up?
I suppose with a shield that's less of an issue
glossy delta
Yeah with the carian thrusting shield you never ever need to roll
You could also just put bloodhounds step on it or something
atomic plinth
...god why are these skulls so fucking big, man
Whose craniums are these?
Dudes just running around with massive fucking noggins
modest berry
It feels like a lot less people die falling from high places than did in Dark So...
i was getting so many foes with this with dryleaf arts in this dlc actually the gadouken and the strong punch kick
obtuse halo
Bow-Only ||Death Knight||!
this one was depressing. I had a very close attempt where I got hit by the grab, undoing several minutes of work
obtuse halo
it's such a hilarious dick move lol
dusty kraken
It's at least telegraphed a mile away
stone cove
It feels like a lot less people die falling from high places than did in Dark So...
Don't worry. I've rider kicked myself off many cliffs
proper vortex
i have defeated magic malenia
obtuse halo
Congrats!
proper vortex
i like the new light greatsword weapon class
modest berry
me too! shame theres only a single infusable/ash of warrable one
proper vortex
(also i think i have kill Normal milenia, magic millenia and robo millenia with all her bullshit lasers)
trail sail
Who?
trail sail
No it's fine, I'm just not sure who Magic and Robo Malenia are
proper vortex
a boss in Armored core 6
trail sail
Ah I see
proper vortex
frozen olive
Ibis
proper vortex
water fowl but with laser and she fly now
frozen olive
one of my favourite bosses to fight when i need to test a build
proper vortex
i test them on iguana in the arena
frozen olive
it's just hard enough to give me a challenge
though not as difficult as Malenia for my money
modest berry
you can bully cel-240 way more than you can malenia
modest berry
ive done a like 15 second ibis fight and ive never really gotten that from malenia
you have to respect her, however, the vibes are somewhat similar
glossy stag
||That grab is fucking horseshit||
Love that ||grab||
obtuse halo
I picked up ||Perfumed Oil of Ranah|| as a mixup option for bow-only - it's actually pretty fun as part of the build.
Admittedly it is not in fact a bow and could be considered cheating, but it's neither a weapon nor a spell so really is it worse than an occasional pot?
And something that can actually rollcatch worth a damn is huge for tarnished-type enemies
I feel like it might be a legit sleeper hit item - surprisingly good damage for a random reusable tool of a damage type normally not associated with dexterity (which it scales with)
though it probably compares poorly to the proper perfume bottle weapons
which I'm given to understand are pretty cracked rn 😛
stone cove
you can bully cel-240 *way* more than you can malenia
Malenia is actually weirdly bullyable, as long as bullying is defined as flinches things.
Stormcaller as an example absolutely hilariously rolls her
obtuse halo
Yeah honestly Malenia’s infamous for waterfowl (and that move is batshit if you don’t know what you’re dealing with) but it’s very fair overall
There are way more nonsense fights even in the basegame
Looking at you, royal revenant
She does have a weird mix of negligible poise and functionally infinite poise depending on her current animation though
languid tiger
i'd say waterfowl is some bullshit even if you do know what you're dealing with
it's such a deranged attack with such specific dodge spacing
proper vortex
using milady in off hand with Ranalla's greatswords for full magic damage is kinda fun
obtuse halo
I’ll admit I may be biased as someone who spent significant time and effort mastering waterfowl such that I no longer fear it. 😛
You know what scares me? Malenia’s Dash-Stab
It’s well telegraphed and not hard to dodge per se, but it can cross the arena in a blink of an eye, comes out fast, and it’s piercing damage so counterstrike is in play
many times have i thought I had a moment of breathing room to buff or whatever and suddenly been oneshot while locked into an animation
I have been killed by that attack much more frequently than Waterfowl
languid tiger
i'd say that's just because she does it more often
dusty kraken
'Okay, I've got some distance, i can heal and...oh, I'm stabbed'
I'll admit, I may be weird but I'm also not that threatened by Waterfowl. Like yeah, it's mean but I've lost a lot more to that 'adjust the length of my blade' combo.
Which despite the fact I've seen it a million times and she's got a sound effect for it, always catches me off guard for some god damn reason.
obtuse halo
It just keeps coming too, she’ll happily chain them a dozen times in a row, daring you to try to hit her between slashes
old brook
All the bosses in the dlc are a little overzealous about starting the attack chain again right after it finishes
"Dodge eighteen times in a row, thx"
old brook
||Taylew|| worked wonders on everyone but Gaius and Final Boss
Gaius just hits him for like 8k with the charge hitbox and Lasty just pure dps
frozen olive
Gaius playing the funny hitbox game
old brook
And that summon doesn't get knocked down so he just eats all of it
obtuse halo
I’m not really sure why ||Rellana|| is being called Magic Malenia though. She reminds me quite a lot more of ||Pontiff Sulyvahn, and not just because of the swords.||
||at least she doesn’t have a Stand||
frozen olive
fucking ||Pontiff Sulyvahn||
glossy stag
It's a girlboss but with magic, is enough for some I guess.
frozen olive
i should replay ds3 again
obtuse halo
Also, like ||Sulyvahn||, I beat her first try blind and did not understand the hype until later lol
glossy stag
I got to her with very little damage so it was a long fight for me
obtuse halo
I actually beat her bow only yesterday and that was much more of a struggle, with significantly more time spent mastering her moveset and punishing as opposed to just rolling her with Sword of Night and Flame
glossy stag
Saw a video of someone beating last boss with just ||shield raised, spear poke poke poke poke||
Is silly
frozen olive
i tried that actually
managed to win first time
was actually fucking stupid how effective it was
glossy stag
aye, that's the silly part
old brook
That's why I'm adamantly refusing
This character has never held a shield and won't start now
frozen olive
(final boss spoilers)||Standing completely still just eating Radahns fucking attacks was absolutely insane||
frozen olive
This character has never held a shield and won't start now
i used one for the final boss specifically to ||block the big fucking phase transition explosion||
obtuse halo
I’m not about to shield shame anyone, but honestly at some point I forgot how to use a shield
frozen olive
and i farmed out like, 30 levels so i could carry the damn fucking thing while still being medium roll
glossy stag
I just ||summoned someone with a shield and desperately tried to survive while stabbing the boss with two handed bleed weapons||
obtuse halo
Like…I literally remember, but i see an attack coming and think “roll” instead of thinking “raise my shield!”
proven horizon
I’m not about to shield shame anyone, but honestly at some point I forgot how to...
It's simple, you hold it in front of you, then the snake stretches out and bites
obtuse halo
It's simple, you hold it in front of you, then the snake stretches out and bites
So true bestie
glossy stag
And ||spamming spells when I had a chance||
obtuse halo
My invader character is The Snake Lady
frozen olive
I just ||summoned someone with a shield and desperately tried to survive while s...
my win i got was by summoning a random person who ||happened to be a shield and poke bleed build||
old brook
I desperately want to complete their quests so I gotta summon the NPCs and give the boss like 3x health, which does suck
because they do absolutely fuckall
obtuse halo
With Coil Shield and Serpent God Curved Sword
frozen olive
i was fighting the boss with a fire ash of war greatsword and lightning spells and ngl it was not doing much
obtuse halo
The snake lady is a joy
proven horizon
With Coil Shield and Serpent God Curved Sword
Nice, I use a mix of venemous fang, serpentbone blade, serpent god curved sword, serpent bow and a poison whip on my snake pvp character
glossy stag
Last boss seems very resistant against slash damage or what?
obtuse halo
I ate enough dragon hearts to get slitted pupils and gave her green patchy segments on her face plus too much eyeliner to really complete the look
proven horizon
Same lol
obtuse halo
Nice, I use a mix of venemous fang, serpentbone blade, serpent god curved sword,...
Great Minds!
proven horizon
Gave her the rya hair too, of course
proven horizon
And she took me all the way through the DLC, too
obtuse halo
Oh I haven’t attempted that, she’s at level 50 for matchmaking
proven horizon
I actually have two versions, level 60 low level pvp and level 175 pve for the dlc
obtuse halo
I have Poison Moth Flight on the curved sword as a finisher, but want to get Poison Flower Blooms Twice
No clue how I’m going to get past Mogh though
proven horizon
I actually have poison mist on the curved sword because it gives the sword a cool green mohawk when you use it
obtuse halo
Very valid
proven horizon
And poison moth flight is quite hard to land
obtuse halo
I just like smacking the daylights out of people for 1200 damage while they’re fishing through their inventory for a bolus
stone cove
Also, like ||Sulyvahn||, I beat her first try blind and did not understand the h...
Getting the HOW when i noted i one shot her here was very funny
it turns out she's super weak to jumping so Wing Stnace destroys her
obtuse halo
Hah!
proven horizon
I just like smacking the daylights out of people for 1200 damage while they’re f...
Getting them panicking on low health while poisoned rocks
stone cove
re: PFBT, mohgy moo is super weak to bleed
so maybe that?
alt if you're on pc, just get someone to drop a weapon with it attached for you
obtuse halo
Sometimes you just get slaughtered by a squad of spear pokers waiting for you, but it’s very fun when it works
old brook
Invading is so wonky in this game, half the time one of the trio has Elden Stars or somesuch, it's more like an assassination type effort
Just gotta get in and maul the Host asap
languid tiger
I still feel quite accomplished for doing the dlc final boss riposte only
stone cove
I generally dont bother, because the theortical invasion is much more fun than the real invasion
I just get my kicks by being a blue and getting summoned to fight reds
and i'll make a point to try and bow and poltiely engage the red 1v1
all bets are off if the red ignores the bow
languid tiger
I immediately looked at them and went "yeah this is probably getting trivialized by a greatshield"
stone cove
(and if the host ignores the bow, i will proceed to go "okay, we out")
languid tiger
and compulsively rejected that utterly
obtuse halo
I’ve had some fun ones. I once started cheering for the host and friend fighting draconic tree sentinel
languid tiger
buckler parry gaming
stone cove
I do miss the haylcon days of DS2 bridge fight clubs.
obtuse halo
Then a blue showed up, stared at me a minute, then ran off to fight the boss
stone cove
I used to turn up and fight people with the bone fist there
obtuse halo
They all got slaughtered
stone cove
and SURPRISE PYROMANCY
proven horizon
I do miss the haylcon days of DS2 bridge fight clubs.
Ah, the classic
And occasionally you warped into a gank and had to fight for your life
stone cove
Bone fist stayed wining there, sicne people didnt really udnerstand it had 3 movesets.
and the secret third moveset was devasting.
languid tiger
ds2 pvp was peak
stone cove
It had 1 handed, power stance and... 2 handed!?
languid tiger
not really because of like
optimal moveset diversity
because there were a couple Best Builds
stone cove
and the 2 handed has this heavy move where you did a quick spin with lots of stagger, into a one inch punch ofr massive damage
languid tiger
but because of pushed playstyle diversity
stone cove
but the big bit was that bone fist had massive counter damage, and so would abosloteuiy frag people
languid tiger
everyone wanted to do their own wacky bullshit, and everything mostly achieved parity
along with the general hype around that, so it was big
my beloved
old brook
Hexes, rest in peace
proven horizon
Hexes my beloved