yup
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
golden pond
frozen olive
The Age of Stars is in my opinion far and away the best
native burrow
although as always, the endings leave it ambiguous because the point is that it is up to you to decide whether it is worth it or not
golden pond
I think ridding the world of silly trees and flames is the best option
frozen olive
Age of Order is probably not optimal but still better than most of the alternatives
charred crane
Let the jellyfish inherit the land
frozen olive
no fucking clue about the Age of Duskborn
golden pond
we know what happens when we have Flames
vestal night
no fucking clue about the Age of Duskborn
Mostly fine
glossy delta
Hm, I'm finding this hard to phrase, but
||If the idea is that the frenzied flames end goal is to melt the entire universe together into one thing, none of that is actually 'destroyed', its transformed into another, unified state||
||Its a total transformation, rather than a total obliteration (which again, I think SUCKS)||
frozen olive
quite frankly the Age of Duskborn is the one i don't really wrap my head around
vestal night
It's just the Golden Order again, but undead are legal
native burrow
age of order vs age of stars is the most akin to Age of Light vs Age of Dark endings for dark souls I think
golden pond
no fucking clue about the Age of Duskborn
that's just "undead cna live with the nondead" no?
frail sky
Area only accessable by the hinterland: ||wait what||
native burrow
for Dark Souls 1 specifically
yeah the age of dark is spooky, unknown, and inevitable
frozen olive
Hm, I'm finding this hard to phrase, but
||If the idea is that the frenzied flam...
||again i find the distinction to be unnecessary because everything that did exist no longer exists as it did, even if theoretically the stuff it was made of did||
native burrow
but you know life will be good in the age of light, even if it will perpetuate certain injustices
obtuse halo
Area only accessable by the hinterland: ||wait what||
Very minor spoiler: ||come back here when you finish Jolan's quest, if you got her spirit ash||
native burrow
so in dark souls 1 the choice is whether you believe the promise of a golden age, at least for a short while, is enough to delay the dark just a little longer
vestal night
Hm, I'm finding this hard to phrase, but
||If the idea is that the frenzied flam...
||a fire turns the things it burns into ash, and the ash is all the same. Doesn't mean that's a desirable state to be in||
native burrow
poor mohg btw
frozen olive
so in dark souls 1 the choice is whether you believe the promise of a golden age...
yeah
limpid peak
frozen olive
in comparison DS3 has imo the least ambiguous ending
golden pond
"everything is fucking dead reegardless"
frozen olive
because we get to see the result of prolonging things in the Ringed City
obtuse halo
Huh. Has anyone else tried out ||Heal from Afar||?
frozen olive
and it's simply limitless suffering and death
obtuse halo
It might be the best healing spell, flat out
frozen olive
until everything is ash
obtuse halo
you can point it at the ground to use it on yourself
limpid peak
if you've kept up with these lore conversations here, the new Vaati has nothing new
native burrow
DS3 is whether you are going to go out kicking, screaming, writhing in the dirt
vivid spire
You see this is why you fight for the power of love and the human spirit
native burrow
or accept your fate
frozen olive
if you've kept up with these lore conversations here, the new Vaati has nothing ...
thought so
obtuse halo
and it has an extremely fast cast speed and heals comparable to Erdtree Heal
frozen olive
or accept your fate
yeah
golden pond
oh, what are Naruto spells
vivid spire
if you've kept up with these lore conversations here, the new Vaati has nothing ...
LMAO
frozen olive
i accepted my fate and brought forth the age of darkness personally
vivid spire
Something about Vaati not having any new theories is funny
charred crane
oh, what are Naruto spells
Jutsu
limpid peak
it's not really a theory video, I think
limpid peak
it's about the big new lore revelations and we already know them
native burrow
i accepted my fate and brought forth the age of darkness personally
bring about the liberation of the night
frozen olive
bring about the liberation of the night
Indeed
native burrow
Why do people die without fire and heat?
Because the light said so
WITHOUT LIGHT THERE ARE NO LAWS
golden pond
RASENSHURIKEN
frozen olive
I did not even entertain the idea of linking the flame honestly
Genuimely just a fate worse than death
charred crane
Destructo disk lookin ass
kind garden
It do be a destructo disc
native burrow
Ludleth dragged himself without his legs across miles to burn himself in the fire all over again
there's at least something admirable about htat
tropic stream
Very minor spoiler: ||come back here when you finish Jolan's quest, if you got h...
Oh thank you for this reminder
kind garden
Ludleth was at least hardcore
glossy delta
I'm glad theres finally a ring incant that doesn't horribly suck
tropic stream
Is Ludleth the tiny guy?
kind garden
I don’t know that he was right but his conviction was admirable
native burrow
yeah the tiny lord of cinder
frozen olive
Is Ludleth the tiny guy?
yes, Ludleth of Courland
I may be but small, but I will die a colossus.
glossy delta
People had to TELL ME it didnt suck
I didn't even test that shit because its just the from standard
'oh a ring incantation, this is going to do 0 damage, I will never slot it'
kind garden
Triple Ring is strong though?
tropic stream
multilayered is fucking goated
finally, ranged holy damage that isn't complete ass
kind garden
Hell, singular ring is strong as a basic enemy clearing spell
obtuse halo
Forget triple Ring, Discus of Light is one of the best spells in the game
I will die on this hill
I used it extensively in this dlc
tropic stream
the others can suck it for being cowards
I can understand Yhorm's reluctance as well, personally
frozen olive
I can understand Yhorm's reluctance as well, personally
honestly i still haven't learned much about Yhorm
frail sky
Various sorceries: ||I’ve respeced into an int build to try out some of the need spells and I have to say most of the ones I’ve come across aren’t very good. The glintstone nail stuff seems pretty bad outside of good tracking (and stars of ruin already exists for that), blades of stone is cool but its range is way too short, and Rellanna’s twin moons is cool but literally anything can knock you out of it ||
charred crane
I'm really excited to be finally building faith
obtuse halo
I used it to clear trash mobs effortlessly throughout, it's super effective against the ||Golem Smiths|| because it boomerangs and pierces, and I first-tried PK effortlessly with it
tropic stream
honestly i still haven't learned much about Yhorm
He became Lord to prove a point basically
native burrow
that his fire linking let off so much power that it burned away his people
charred crane
I dread the late game, but currently I can summon a dragon as stand and also tail whip peoples brains out and that feels very good
frozen olive
that his fire linking let off so much power that it burned away his people
oh damn
native burrow
at least I think that's what happened
obtuse halo
the only reason light ring spells were "bad" in ER lategame is so much of the lategame is hyper-resistant to holy
tropic stream
And tried to save a people who didn't love him, for he was a Giant king of humans
obtuse halo
the sole reason
frozen olive
Various sorceries: ||I’ve respeced into an int build to try out some of the need...
||the moons will still hit if you get to summoning them in the spell||
kind garden
Various sorceries: ||I’ve respeced into an int build to try out some of the need...
Nails are cracked
Don’t give up on them
charred crane
the sole reason
And that is where my dread lies
tropic stream
It is implied he had a human lover, as he used to have a shield with which he protected them, but then they died and he added a longer haft to his machete to two-hand it instead
frail sky
Nails are cracked
What’s that?
obtuse halo
spell from ||Ymir's|| quest
kind garden
You literally mentioned them?
kind garden
Shattering Nail is very strong, it’s an extraordinarily cheap sorcery for the damage it does, especially if you use equipment that buffs it
5 Nails goes nuts frankly
glossy delta
Apparently ||the scadutree thorn ground wave spell whips ass, but is also one of those weird faith only sorceries||
kind garden
It’s INT Pest Threads
obtuse halo
Apparently ||the scadutree thorn ground wave spell whips ass, but is also one of...
Wait I missed this
where is this
I'm an int/faith build, I want that 😛
kind garden
Apparently ||the scadutree thorn ground wave spell whips ass, but is also one of...
||Its hard to cast but it’s also mad good||
frail sky
Ooh, I’ll have to get that one when I can then
frozen olive
Apparently ||the scadutree thorn ground wave spell whips ass, but is also one of...
funny thing about that spell
obtuse halo
fuck, I thought I combed that place
frail sky
Will say, I’m loving ||glintblade trio||
obtuse halo
I found ||Mantle of Thorns|| there but it's traaaash
nova smelt
||godwyn staying dead is actually something I like about the lore||
frozen olive
||Impenetrable Thorns is what it's called which also happens to be what Radagon used to seal the Erdtree||
native burrow
so the various empyreans are supposed to represent like
kind garden
I fucked up
native burrow
end state of a crumbling empire right
kind garden
It’s in the Shadow Keep
obtuse halo
I might just have to look up the wiki for directions
I thought I was very thorough combing that whole dungeon
frozen olive
you probably were
obtuse halo
multiple times over for secrets
frozen olive
it's in a stupid fucking place
my friend was playing a thorn sorcerer and combed the entire keep for it
and didn't find it
obtuse halo
mood
kind garden
It’s in a really stupid spot
frail sky
Apparently ||the scadutree thorn ground wave spell whips ass, but is also one of...
||Impenetrable thorns or something else?||
vivid spire
Huge spoilers
vivid spire
end state of a crumbling empire right
Maybe—Ranni and Miquella are the weird exceptions
native burrow
miquella seem pretty straightforward to me actually
vivid spire
Ranni is about breaking the cycle of imperial legacy and Miquella also
They’re “new” kinda
frozen olive
(final boss spoilers, don't click)||HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA||
nova smelt
Huge spoilers
Everlong by the Foo Fighters would go so hard with this picture
tropic stream
Will say, I’m loving ||glintblade trio||
||Glintblade trio?||
kind garden
||I don’t know about Miquella breaking the cycle||
tropic stream
||Glintblade trio?||
Looked it up, grabbing immediately
frozen olive
(final boss spoilers, don't click)||HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA||
(More spoilers)||Miquella is said to want to break the cycle and escape from the suffering caused by the Golden Lineage but massively ironically literally ends up doing the exact thing that Marika did||
kind garden
I gotta do my full caster playthrough of the DLC
native burrow
Ranni I think is a representation of how an empire may at the end face a rebellion that doesn't care about the potential damage and consequences to topple its order
kind garden
Miquella is ||kind of about how rebellion can come from the right place and end up perpetuating the mistakes of the original state anyways||
nova smelt
||it was the fact that Miquella discarded his love tbh, that is what doomed his plan||
obtuse halo
||The twisted part is that may have been a requirement||
frozen olive
||it was the fact that Miquella discarded his love tbh, that is what doomed his ...
||honestly i disagree, Miquella was fucked from the start due to what their plan was||
kind garden
||Looking at it from the allegorical perspective, discarding his love was the moment Miquella committed to Winning over Doing The Right Thing||
nova smelt
||the age of compassion he would create would be nothing but an age of control. all would love Miquella, Miquella would love none||
nova smelt
||honestly i disagree, Miquella was fucked from the start due to what their plan...
Persnaps
obtuse halo
||The whole casting off St. Trina as a separate entity thing, I think, adds some important context to Radagon||
wild sierra
idk if that was the only doomed part but it certainly did not help
glossy delta
||Impenetrable thorns or something else?||
Yes!
kind garden
It was an inevitable consequence of the end he pursued, IMO
tropic stream
||Bottom line, Miquella was kind of always a manipulative little bastard, not that his abilities helped him not be that||
kind garden
Eventually you have to decide between doing the right thing, or TAKING the power
obtuse halo
||If Marika followed a similar path to Miquella, casting off her flesh piece by piece to pursue godhood, seeding Radagon may have been part of that||
nova smelt
||Once again, Ansbach is the realest mfer in any souls game||
native burrow
Ranni literally killed herself to avoid becoming Empyrean
frozen olive
||Once again, Ansbach is the realest mfer in any souls game||
||It's Ansbach and Igon tbh||
native burrow
she lost her body but kept her soul
tropic stream
||I think Igon is too obsessive to really be 'real' about anything lol||
frozen olive
||Igon is so fucking real for immediately locking the FUCK in when summoned against Bayle||
obtuse halo
||Once again, Ansbach is the realest mfer in any souls game||
||"It was you that slew Lord Mogh, wasn't it? Ah. Well, at least it was in an honorable duel. He accepted that risk with his ambitions."||
nova smelt
If anything I feel incredibly justified in becoming Elden lord. If anyone can unfuck this, it's me
kind garden
||Singlehandedly rehabilitating the image of Mohg by being so based||
nova smelt
||I think Igon is too obsessive to really be 'real' about anything lol||
||sometimes some fucker just needs to die||
tropic stream
||I mean to be 'real' about that kind of thing requires some level of dispassion imo||
native burrow
is it real that if you summon patches to some fights he just dips out immediately upon seeing what he's being told to fight?
grave plinth
Yes
obtuse halo
||Singlehandedly rehabilitating the image of Mohg by being so based||
To be fair, I have been thinking since early in the dlc that ||we may owe mogh an apology for all the Chris Hansen jokes. Given how much of his actions were Miquella's plan, he may not have had all that much agency.||
tropic stream
||Igon does not have a single dispassionate subatomic particle in his body||
native burrow
lmao
frozen olive
is it real that if you summon patches to some fights he just dips out immediatel...
yes it is
the truest Patches moment
wild sierra
is it real that if you summon patches to some fights he just dips out immediatel...
it's great
kind garden
is it real that if you summon patches to some fights he just dips out immediatel...
He’s following in the footsteps of Patch the Good Luck
kind garden
#1 smartest NEXT pilot
frozen olive
you summon him against Starscourge Radahn and upon seeing Radahn he immediately turns around and runs away
native burrow
golden pond
||Igon is based cause I relate so hard to being so mad at somebody you make your entire being a counter to that someone||
frozen olive
||He's the realest, he's so locked in about killing Bayle he literally stops being a sobbing broken mess on the floor as soon as he sees Bayle and immediately starts doing ultraviolence at full power||
glossy delta
||He does admit that he's been broken by his lifepath though||
||He introduces YOU as the 'true drake warrior', not himself||
||Cuz he knows he couldn't handle it||
frozen olive
||Igon is the realest mfer and the coolest DLC ncp imo||
golden pond
||tbf we do summon the Spirit, no? cause he is a bit crumbly when we see him||
frozen olive
||BEHOLD A TRUE DRAKE WARRIOR! AND I, IGON||
native burrow
what exactly is a frenzied flame anyways
golden pond
||flame but out of control and mad||
glossy delta
what exactly is a frenzied flame anyways
||An outer god that MAY be a haywire, cancerous aspect of the Greater Will||
||The Order and the Fingers of the Greater Will are described several times as malfunctioning and abberant, and the Three Fingers may be the endpoint of that||
golden pond
||1 finger? that's fine. 2? perfection. 3? now you've pushed it too far||
kind garden
||No, 2 is wrong too||
native burrow
well if the fingers ares upposed to be part of a hand
kind garden
||The Two Fingers are also defective||
native burrow
that means that the Order is 60% corrupted yeah?
obtuse halo
||1 finger? that's fine. 2? perfection. 3? now you've pushed it too far||
Insert your own dirty joke here.
kind garden
Oh I’ll insert it-
golden pond
Insert your own dirty joke here.
Try fing-
vivid spire
Need help with my pyromancer builds
kind garden
❌
native burrow
kind garden
Depends what you’re fighting
native burrow
can you beat elden ring as a wizzard who blasts bosses with magic
kind garden
Yes
glossy delta
well if the fingers ares upposed to be part of a hand
This is actual spoilers from the DLC but ||it seems like 2 is in fact the Intended Number||
||Metyr has two tailfingers it uses to communicate with the greater will- it is malfunctioning also but that seems to be a product of time as much as anything||
wild sierra
some NPC claims ||that the three fingers/frenzied flame, if they can be said to have an ideology, believe the the Greater Will splitting creation into being "several things" instead of "one thing" was a mistake, so they should burn everything to reduce it back to a single thing||
native burrow
ah, so it might be a ||fascism allegory?||
kind garden
This is actual spoilers from the DLC but ||it seems like 2 is in fact the Intend...
||Ymir makes it pretty clear that the fingers that guided Marika - the Two Fingers - are deranged and mistaken||
wild sierra
I... don't think so?
nova smelt
Chat how do I tell ||Igon|| that I'm more of a Kendrick fan
obtuse halo
some NPC claims ||that the three fingers/frenzied flame, if they can be said to ...
fwiw both Hyetta and Shabriri independently say this, though it's not inconceivable that Hyetta is also just Shabriri wearing Irina's skin
kind garden
Chat how do I tell ||Igon|| that I'm more of a Kendrick fan
You don’t, Drake Warriors kill Drakes
native burrow
in the sense that it's hallucinating an imagined past to return to by cleansing modern society of its 'corruptions'
wild sierra
there's no indication that it's an imagined past, afaict pretty much everyone believes that same creation myth
it's not really a retvrn thing
native burrow
I see
wild sierra
there's no cleansing corruption either
it's everything
there's not really any omnicidal real life ideologies
kind garden
It’s less RETVRN and more “fuck it hit the undo button on everything”
native burrow
honestly I suppose if Markia didn't want her order to be burnable she should've chosen something other than a tree
kind garden
there's not really any omnicidal real life ideologies
Posadism
wild sierra
well not many popular ones anyway
obtuse halo
in the sense that it's hallucinating an imagined past to return to by cleansing ...
You could read it that way (and indeed there's a certain strongman element to the focus on a lord of frenzied flame that burns it all down), but I really think it's more cosmic and nihilistic than that. Nothing vs. Something.
vivid spire
Depends what you’re fighting
Just in general
grave plinth
||Ymir makes it pretty clear that the fingers that guided Marika - the Two Finge...
||Ymir isn’t the most reliable source on that. It may be that Metyr merely served her purpose as the first probe the Greater Will sent to the Lands Between and was discarded once the Elden Beast descended ||
kind garden
There’s an aspect to it which demands an impossibly strong Lord of Frenzied Flame to burn everything but it’s less Fascist strongman-ism and more like wishing for the death drive embodied
The followers of the Frenzied Flame aren’t seeking an ubermensch, they’re seeking total annihilation as an alternative to suffering, and desire an annihilator that embodies their drive to perish rather than live in suffering
obtuse halo
generally agreed
golden pond
nuke everyone equally
obtuse halo
Are these good spell choices or should I do something else
the buffs are hard to go wrong with, Giantsflame Take Thee is real strong, and I'm a Black Flame Believer. People say Fire Serpent is good, but honestly I don't see it?
kind garden
Just in general
You can use any spells and weapons when it's not time to fight superbosses tbh
obtuse halo
It's probably good in PvP because it has great tracking, but for pve I mostly notice its shockingly terrible range in PC hands
vivid spire
I’m fighting ||Meytr|| rn
kind garden
unless you're PvPing or doing a really hard boss fight, equip whatever you want
kind garden
I’m fighting ||Meytr|| rn
Lightning.
obtuse halo
as opposed to its sniper rifle/homing missile range when NPCs use it
My specific spell rec for ||Metyr|| is Pest Threads, or ||Pest Thread Spears||
I melted ||Metyr|| first try.
😛
kind garden
as opposed to its sniper rifle/homing missile range when NPCs use it
charge it
obtuse halo
wait, is it fucking chargeable? That changes everything if so lol
kind garden
sure is
obtuse halo
I'm also a Godfrey Icon believer
kind garden
tap flame serpent is a tricky mixup, charged flame serpent is a heatseeking missile
obtuse halo
Neat! I've been using Spectral Disks of Light as my missile barrage
its damage isn't great but the tracking and range is incredible
kind garden
imo Messmer's Orb is the opposite, tab orb is cracked but charged orb is stinky
kind garden
tap orb is a Chaos Dunk, you zip into the air and then immediately crash back down
very dangerous
very fast
kind garden
charged orb is really only useful as the hardest callout of all time
you need to know with 100% certainty that your opponent is asleep at the wheel or in the longest animation known to man
obtuse halo
my main experience with charged orb was trying to use it and then getting staggered out of it after a full charge and spending all the fp
vestal night
its damage isn't great but the tracking and range is incredible
the tracking is pretty good, yeah
also has frost buildup
kind garden
spectral rings seems strange
mellow silo
Crucible Wings are so based
obtuse halo
I have never seen it proc frostbite
mellow silo
Insanely fun
obtuse halo
even spamming it
kind garden
ghostflame spells scarcely actually proc frost ime
obtuse halo
Also when I fought a Gravebird using it against me, it didn't cause any frost buildup 😛
so I assumed that was misinformation/willful thinking
kind garden
are there any INT-inherent non-somber weapons
granite pawn
watched a youtube video and realized that Elden Ring has a strange theme of 2s, often relating to identity. Mind that I haven't played through the DLC to any significant plot details, so everything I'm about to say is based on just the base game.
||The obvious dual-identity in the world of Elden Ring is Marika and Radagon, two godly beings sharing a single body. This truth is of immense importance to the Brilliant Goldmask, who spends a great deal of time trying to parse the connection between the two. Beyond that, however, Morgott takes on the false identity of Margit the Fell, and is known as a veiled lord of illusion. There's Ranni, who introduces herself as Renna, a character who otherwise is only alluded to by the presence of Renna's Rise at the Three Sisters. Godfrey readopts the identity of Hoarah Loux when his true nature as a barbarian is revealed in his fight. Seluvis is implied to have some connection to Pidia, and some people have spectulated that Seluvis is Pidia, that Pidia is a puppetmaster and hides his frail self behind the haughty and arrogant persona of his puppet Seluvis. Rykard allows himself to be eaten by a serpent to shed his body and become something different. Ranni doffs her body in a similar way, literally provoking the events of the game through her desire to abandon her lineage and shed the chains of fate...||
glossy delta
are there any INT-inherent non-somber weapons
Clayman Harpoon and Carian Thrusting Shield, off the top of my head
kind garden
hmm
mellow silo
Not even mentioning||Miquella/Trina||
granite pawn
Yeah!
limpid peak
watched a youtube video and realized that Elden Ring has a strange theme of 2s, ...
all I can say without spoilers is that theme persists
kind garden
you should play the DLC now
glossy delta
THE CARIAN THRUSTING SHIELD WHIPS ASS BTW
Admittedly, better as a quality weapon with standard infusion than a magic infused weapon
To preserve the kickass block stats
limpid peak
it's a very good DLC
granite pawn
||2 is an important number in general. Twins are a common thing in the Lands Between, especially among the Demigods and their ilk. The interpreters of the Greater Will are Two Fingers, and their perversion comes in the form of the Three Fingers, seemingly breaking the pattern to signify unholiness...||
obtuse halo
are there any INT-inherent non-somber weapons
Clayman Harpoon is the only one outside the DLC
there are several new ones in the DLC though, including every smithscript weapon
kind garden
other than the smithscripts and the carian thrusting shield what else
granite pawn
||D, who is a devout follower of the Golden Order, is a twin who kinda shares a soul with his other half. His armor depicts two people in one body. Gurranq is Maliketh, but the connection between the two beastmen isn't super strictly-defined...||
vivid spire
Hmm
||Meytr|| is kinda hard
Movement is confusing and higher damage than I thought
granite pawn
||Perhaps 2 is just an important number in the Golden Order? Goldmask seems to perform his calculations by pointing with his two fingers...||
kind garden
Movement is confusing and higher damage than I thought
||The arena is in water, rip face with Knight's Lightning Spear||
obtuse halo
other than the smithscripts and the carian thrusting shield what else
uh...||the chilling and frenzyflame perfume bottles?||
granite pawn
||Other faiths don't seem to care as much about twos. Hoarax Loux was a powerful figure under the Crucible, and only adopted his more refined Godfrey persona when he became a part of the Golden Order. Again, the Frenzied Flame communicates through the Three Fingers...||
limpid peak
||Metyr|| has a laser attack you need to watch out for, you can dodge it with careful positioning
kind garden
Man, INTblades have it hard
tropic stream
dlc item spoilers ||I really love long mantles that are long enough to hide your hands, and it looks so good with the scaled boots and helmet||
granite pawn
But then, ||There are two great Glintstone masters with two powerful spells to learn, between Lustat and Azure...||
tropic stream
Man, INTblades have it hard
We really don't lmao
kind garden
yeah lmfao
I wanna be clear, I'm shitposting, INT is doing great I'm just curious if you can do the FAIblade thing of getting INT base + INT infusion
kind garden
Clayman Harpoon does it
tropic stream
Is the guardian halberd faith base and infusable?
kind garden
but I think that's basically it for hyperscalers
tropic stream
I know it's the latter is it the former?
kind garden
guardian halberd?
granite pawn
oh god! ||Gold and Silver are another duality! There are Gold and Silver Fireflies, found near bodies of water bathed in sun or devoid of it respectively! The two halves of D's armor are Gold and Silver!||
limpid peak
I was gonna mention smithscript, but you covered that
tropic stream
oh god! ||Gold and Silver are another duality! There are Gold and Silver Firefli...
||The full, dark, and twin moons as well|| (dlc spoilers)
frail sky
Ymir quest: ||did I just get a black hole as a spell||
tropic stream
Ymir quest: ||did I just get a black hole as a spell||
Yes you did
kind garden
Queelign's GS, the Black Steel Greathammer, smithscripts, AND the Fire Knight GS all have the hyper scaler property
limpid peak
||The full, dark, and twin moons as well|| (dlc spoilers)
that last one is a spoiler
kind garden
Ymir quest: ||did I just get a black hole as a spell||
||Not a black hole. A micro-universe.||
frail sky
||Hopefully this one is better than gravitational missile||
kind garden
Yes
obtuse halo
I wanna be clear, I'm shitposting, INT is doing great I'm just curious if you ca...
Smithscript Weapons are where it's at for this
they have base int scaling on their physical damage
obtuse halo
so if you infuse them the int scaling both improves and applies to both phys and magic damage
obtuse halo
yeah. This used to be Erdsteel Dagger specific though!
clayman's harpoon has int scaling but it also has base magic damage
which is what's getting scaled by the int
frail sky
Ymir quest: ||did I just get a black hole as a spell||
Okay this thing is good
obtuse halo
though this is funny too because you can cast scholar's weapon on it and the scaling will scale that too
kind garden
yeah that spell is cracked
can't tell if I wanna do INT/FAI or ARC for my next DLC playthrough
obtuse halo
I'm doing Int/Fai now
I have only in the back half begun to incorporate anything I found from the DLC into my build
mostly upgrades to the talismans I was already using and a few spells
limpid peak
good work
obtuse halo
I've been absolutely killing shit with Knight's Lightning Spear
it might be my fav new spell lol
great damage, good tracking, and the immediate + delayed cast frequently staggers twice and sometimes the delayed cast will still fire and end a target's combo if I screw up and get staggered out of the initial
vivid spire
Yeah
I do like it
And the homing fire missiles
Maybe it’s because I’m not used to melee
But I staggered a ton with wing stance it was great
kind garden
Yes
opaque canopy
lord almighty the anvil hammer is tempting me away from the BB
I poise broke ||Black Knight Edredd|| in about 2-3 hits
vivid spire
I’m not quite sure what the point of that was
Also
Am I supposed to have more summon signs available for ||Leda|| than just two
Did I do a quest wrong
frail sky
Temple Town: ||I'm sorry what||
kind garden
yup
frail sky
This seems insane
tropic stream
dlc item spoilers ||Is Sword of Light better than Miquellan Knight's Sword?||
vivid spire
In my heart ||Jolan|| is still alive
I’m really not sure why I had to do that
I thought she could be a fren but I guess not
kind garden
In your heart?
vivid spire
In other news I’m gonna level up the Impaler Spear
kind garden
||Jolan is still alive in the game too lmao||
vivid spire
||Jolan is still alive in the game too lmao||
Hey wait what
She invaded me I am confused
kind garden
||Reload the area, go back to where Jolan used to be||
vivid spire
Oh
kind garden
||Invaders are just a spirit sending||
kind garden
If they're red and glowy, they're not the real person but a spirit-sending
If an invader isn't a glowy red shade, that's the real person
vivid spire
ohh
obtuse halo
That said ||Jolan is one of two npcs you can give an Iris of Grace or Occultation to. The latter absolutely kills her dead. The former arguably does too but it's rather kinder and she's still a force ghost||
vivid spire
I genuinely didn’t know that
vivid spire
That said ||Jolan is one of two npcs you can give an Iris of Grace or Occultatio...
Wait
limpid peak
it has begun
vivid spire
Where the fuck does ||Dane|| come into this
kind garden
Don't worry about him
frail sky
Ash of War: ||...am I about to witness true horror?||
kind garden
Nah
obtuse halo
that's probably my fav new ash though
I can't really use it on my current char but I want it for my snake poison invader
as an alternative to poison moth flight
dusty kraken
||I am so happy that with all the Celtic Mythology stuff, we finally got both weapons from the Four Treasures of the Tuatha De Danann||
obtuse halo
Poison Moth Flight is pretty hard to land on a thinking human
frail sky
that's probably my fav new ash though
Oh god it’s so cool
kind garden
||I am so happy that with all the Celtic Mythology stuff, we finally got both we...
||Which weapon are you interpreting as the Spear of Lugh||
dusty kraken
||Which weapon are you interpreting as the Spear of Lugh||
||Flame Spear Ash Of War||
kind garden
Makes sense
Could also be ||Messmer’s Spear||
Considering it literally can be thrown and recalled
dusty kraken
||Also possible yeah. We got the Literal Sword of Light and a few flaming spear options||
obtuse halo
I've been trying Scarlet Aeonia on the final boss
effective, when I can land it without getting rekt 😛
glossy delta
Temple Town: ||I'm sorry *what*||
||I really like it with the thrusting shields, or stuff like the capital g greatsword you can still decently block with||
||Do a two handed guard counter and send someone to heaven||
obtuse halo
it has hyperarmor these days which is really nice, but unfortunately raw damage can still kill you dead
vivid spire
Could also be ||Messmer’s Spear||
I am having fun with it but it’s a little slow
frail sky
I've been trying Scarlet Aeonia on the final boss
…oh yeah I still need to do the haligtree
Loretta’s mastery would be pretty useful
umbral portal
||Yes||
kind garden
Eyup.
proven horizon
The music for that fight is so good
vivid spire
God I
I need to finish this
I still don’t understand why..
Leda is a zealot yes but the others..
Why would anyone agree with her?
grave plinth
Well Dryleaf is implied to be a bit of a fanatic too
vivid spire
Oh
I like her armor but it feels.. wrong to wear it.
I feel like I won’t be happy with how this ends
vivid spire
That said ||Jolan is one of two npcs you can give an Iris of Grace or Occultatio...
Should I do ||Grace||
This feels so heavy
kind garden
Dane's an incomparable nutter, quite frankly
wild sierra
Why would anyone agree with her?
||they believe in miquella||
vivid spire
||Miquella|| better have a damn good plan to fix things to justify all of this
I swear
grave plinth
Now scrble, when has a golden godling ever had a justifiable plan?
steel scroll
ha ha ha
grave plinth
Marika thought she was justified too
wild sierra
I don't really know what Dane's deal is but ||Moore has nothing else in his life, and Redmane Freyja is excited for what she has learned about Miquella's plan
and if the Hornsent makes it that far I guess he thinks Miquella will give him a better deal than anyone planning on shacking up with Marika||
kind garden
Why don't you hear ||Miquella's argument|| and decide for yourself
kind garden
I don't really know what Dane's deal is but ||Moore has nothing else in his life...
||Dane is a member of a sect of Erdtree faithful who lost their religion when they realized how horrible the Golden Order is and cast their lot in with Miquella, hoping to find some kind of salvation after they decided Marika had basically abandoned them||
DLC spoilers all, lore stuff:
||Anyone notice that the Gate of Divinity is depicted in the Godslayer's Seal, and that the Godslayer's Greatsword is the Rune of Destined Death entwined with the Spiral?||
grave plinth
Curiouser and curiouser
||i would have thought the DLC would reveal more on Death, Destined Death, and the Godslayer, but there’s precious little hints||
||a little bit of stuff on the deathbirds but not much||
kind garden
||To go a little deeper: the Godskin adepts are noted to have assimilated inhuman physiology in a Crucible-like fashion: “Nobles are the most ancient apostles who are said to have assimilated inhuman physiology. Not unlike the crucible, the Erdtree in its primordial form." ||
||The Godskins were led by the Gloam-Eyed Queen, an Empyrean who Marika defeated in the age before. Until now we didn't have a motive, but now it seems like the Gloam-Eyed Queen was aligned ideologically with the Hornsent on some level, and the way that the Godslayer Greatsword is put together it seems to signify that Death must be delivered to the undying in order for the Crucible's cycle of life, death, and rebirth to continue||
vivid spire
God im excited (major spoilers)
grave plinth
It
obtuse halo
good luck, I genuinely hope you're better than I am
mellow silo
Hehe. Good luck
obtuse halo
I got really frustrated with summoning ||Thioller|| because half the time he just doesn't walk through the fog gate
and sometimes randomly dies without having done so
kind garden
He(?)'s scared
mellow silo
Need to either get aid from Let Me Tank Him, or become the Let Me Tank Him
obtuse halo
at this point I've just started trying to solo it instead of relying on summons because they seem to make the situation actively worse a lot of the time 😛
kind garden
I read that as "get laid" the first time and was like ???? before I realized that was wrong
glossy delta
I got really frustrated with summoning ||Thioller|| because half the time he jus...
||Funnily enough on my winning run he kind of clutched it by taking a lean break during the whole first phase||
||So he came in fresh and full on flasks for the Actual Hard Part and got deadly poison on while drawing aggro like a champ||
vivid spire
OH FUCK
kind garden
at this point I've just started trying to solo it instead of relying on summons ...
the summons do be giving the boss +100% EHP
glossy delta
Our boy really proved himself
obtuse halo
which is horrible on a boss that already has a cool ||50k hp||
vivid spire
I genuinely can’t think of any other garmet to fit Sacred Crown than the Haligtree armor
kind garden
So much fucking HP...
vivid spire
So.. that’s how I’ll finish things I suppose
obtuse halo
I'm also still wearing my basegame fashion, you're not alone
mellow silo
As it should
vivid spire
I don’t even know what’s going to happen but I am afraid
||Time to fight milord… and win I don’t know what comes after.||
kind garden
send it
mellow silo
Final boss phase two spoiler, pretty vague: ||Radahn goes Super Saiyan||
Also that fight terrifies me lol
kind garden
||Base your strategy around your allies' attacks||
||You'll note they're using strategies that work||
wild sierra
he's weak to ||stuff which ignores how big his health bar is||
also ||the fight is substantially easier without the summoned allies in my experience, they add way more HP to him than they aided me||
vivid spire
he's weak to ||stuff which ignores how big his health bar is||
Black Knife my beloved
tropic stream
||I am so happy that with all the Celtic Mythology stuff, we finally got both we...
Iki ||is Gae Bulg one of the treasures?||
||Cuz if not I direct you toward looking at Midra||
mellow silo
Final boss strategy||He's weak to Scarlet Rot I think, and a strategy I've heard repeatedly is that going full tank is a good way to go. So, probably go full Verdigris and defense buffs, with an Antspur Rapier to poke||
grave plinth
Yeah || Midra got gae bulged||
wild sierra
||a surprising number of his attacks can be blocked well with a greatshield including some which look like they shouldn't be||
vivid spire
Oh god ||thioller|| is so cute just god I wish I were them
kind garden
Iki ||is Gae Bulg one of the treasures?||
||Gae Bulg is not one of the treasures||
vivid spire
Maybe ||Messmer|| needs a hug
mellow silo
Kinda wishing the final boss took more than one attack from ||Mogh||
real shadow
Twitter
obtuse halo
mood
as someone who has gotten pretty good at fighting Malenia, uh, yeah this is dire
astral sapphire
Seamless Co-op mod is launching for DLC in 16 hours:
real shadow
Malenia is like the Oprhan of Kos where she's tough but fair. The final boss I'm hearing is uh...borderline not that.
obtuse halo
A classic
golden pond
Fort
,Night
vivid spire
https://x.com/TsuboiKlein/status/1806845328932454784?t=7wHpPita1EYgeQWU4u0pxg&s=...
If he fails.. we have no hope
atomic marsh
Twitter
modest trellis
https://x.com/WATERF0WLESBIAN/status/1805722936633868410
He's just a little boy
atomic marsh
mein mama is ein good humor und iz takin' me to zee ze boatz
kind garden
Someone needs to mod that fucker to wear a Supreme hoodie and track pants.
I'm deadass right now, I need Drip Mohg
He'll keep you from taking Miquella BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
modest berry
||godwyn staying dead is actually something I like about the lore||
||(fittingly) necro but i totally get that, im pretty much fine with godwyn being the god of dead fish and the ending of the dlc i just wish there was a definite wrap up/ fight with him ,and a little more setup for radahn, I expected it to be him, and never expected a successful godwyn ressurection..... However a failed godwyn resurrection with subsequent eldritch horror would have been cool, anyways||
stone cove
I think they've explicitly ruled out more DLC, but haven't ruled out a sequel
proven horizon
Malenia is like the Oprhan of Kos where she's tough but fair. The final boss I'm...
The final boss is very tough, but outside of a single move, I think they're still fair
stone cove
They're mostly difficult due to bad communication on tells.
There's stuff you can just outrun , and stuff you can jump
But it's really not obvious
proven horizon
Clearly we need a red kanji to appear above their head :v
stone cove
And a lot of attacks are setup such that a failed roll is hugely punative
stone cove
Clearly we need a red kanji to appear above their head :v
See, I hated that mechanic because it just said do one of three things, with little actual info to memory.
tropic stream
How screwed over would I be by using an upgrade Demi-Human Queen staff for making a spellsword build?
Cuz I wanna use the demi-human sword for it
nvm gonna use Azur's staff and just go for a 'primal glintstone spellblade' look
opaque canopy
Just had a pretty anime-ass duel with ||Ancient Dragon-Man||. Tagging hits, trading sword beams, both of us entirely out of healing. We both get down to the last drop of HP, rush each other, and I land my swing first.
(I was only out of healing because I burnt the last of my flask uses on the ||Magma Wyrm|| up above)
stone cove
How screwed over would I be by using an upgrade Demi-Human Queen staff for makin...
It's one of the best staffs for scaling when you're below 50 int, iirc
tropic stream
It's one of the best staffs for scaling when you're below 50 int, iirc
Hmm... I wasn't intent on being below 50
modest berry
(I was only out of healing because I burnt the last of my flask uses on the ||Ma...
,,, i must have missed this guy. theres another one 
tropic stream
as an aside (dlc item spoilers) ||The Heirodas mask looks really good with Gloried Attire||
stone cove
Oh, that's sick
tropic stream
I just need to find the appropriate build for it lol
It feels more like a Str/Int fit tbh
stone cove
Doing some further research on staffs:
Lusat's is the strongest if you can handle the FP cost.
Demi human below 50 int. Carian Regal above 68. Academy glintstone between 60-68 INT
stone cove
But if you're fit is optimal
tropic stream
I mean
stone cove
Then you're actually optimal because fashion souls
obtuse halo
as an aside (dlc item spoilers) ||The Heirodas mask looks *really* good with Glo...
This set annoys me for one very stupid reason and that's that it doesn't come with the Brave's Leather Helm
Which I've wanted for a while for fashion reasons lol
but has been unobtainable
tropic stream
The helmet comes on the other highland set lmao
iirc it's nearby the first one
But yeah I have the Leather Crown
obtuse halo
I thought it only came with a headband? 😮
tropic stream
Nope, there's a less impressive looking highland set that comes with the crown
tropic stream
Then you're actually optimal because fashion souls
Str/Int fans, eat your heart out
Could someone help me move an item btw lol
paper badge
day before yesterday I lost 600k to falling through the world
tropic stream
I gave one of my new saves an armor piece for the fit, but now I wanna test the piece for a build on my current save lmao
paper badge
... I should've made sure that I wasn't replying to a post from yesterday, didn't look at the timestamp. sorry.
tropic stream
l o l
modest berry
post shadowkeep ||is the gaea mentioned in gaius's loreset his pig?||
tropic stream
||I believe so lmao||
umbral portal
||https://youtu.be/U9u0kbZrNSY?si=42wYWpYT8L8T2cmg|| final boss spoilers
tropic stream
So
Okay nvm the whole thing gets spoilered cool
I was about to be like 'idk if the spoiler is effective given the title'
XD
vivid spire
atomic plinth
day before yesterday I lost 600k to *falling through the world*
RIPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Holy SHIT that is unfortunate
At least we can rely on the Moghwyn bird for easy runes
paper badge
was ridin' through the gravesite plains, shit was loading slow
when I crested a hill all ground collision was just gone lmao
glossy delta
Questionable
Indeed, as it turns out the response to genocide is not countergenocide
tropic stream
Could someone help me move an item btw lol
Anybody?
vernal imp
Finally fought ||Metyr||
That was some || seriously bloodborne shit, what the fuck? ||
tropic stream
Huh
I had an interesting realization
I wonder if (dlc location spoilers) ||the woods around Midra's Manse are the Helphen||
obtuse halo
That was some || seriously bloodborne shit, what the fuck? ||
RIGHT?
I deadass thought I'd walked off-set
atomic plinth
...what in the goddamn
atomic plinth
||WHAT IN THE BLOODBORNE||
signal harness
trail sail
LOL
atomic plinth
||OH DEAR FUCKING GOD SHE LEVELED INTO THE PEGASUS LICENSE||
tropic stream
||OH DEAR FUCKING GOD SHE LEVELED INTO THE PEGASUS LICENSE||
XD
atomic plinth
God this boss is fucking cool
mellow silo
If I wanted to shoot maximum possible lasers, what would be the best way to do that?
obtuse halo
Yeah it was a fun one
mellow silo
I want to be the Sherman of Elden Ring
obtuse halo
If I wanted to shoot maximum possible lasers, what would be the best way to do t...
does pest threads count
😛
mellow silo
Probably not lol
atomic plinth
If I wanted to shoot maximum possible lasers, what would be the best way to do t...
That one Three Fingers incantation
obtuse halo
Frenzied Burst is a pretty good laser
mellow silo
The madness sniper thingy?
obtuse halo
as is Comet Azur yes
atomic plinth
Comet Azur is
Eh
It's good on paper but there's often factors that just render it kinda not very good
Like movement beyond walking towards you
mellow silo
Hell yeah, might need to do that. Leaning towards Faith though mostly, due to the Sword Of Light
vivid spire
Sword of light?
obtuse halo
though ironically I kind of like the idea of ||just keeping it as the Stone Sword||
||Strike Damage!||
trail sail
If you can find the ||Abyss|| you can get yourself the Ultimate Laser Move at the end
I will not explain beyond that
mellow silo
If you can find the ||Abyss|| you can get yourself the Ultimate Laser Move at th...
||the madness incant from Midra?||
trail sail
||the madness incant from Midra?||
||Yup||
mellow silo
Ok but Laser Cool
vivid spire
Frenzyflsme is functional
mellow silo
Alright, so Frenzy Burst, Placidusax's Ruin, and the Sword Of Light
atomic plinth
Do Elden Stars count as laser
They're a targeted micromissile swarm
mellow silo
Good start on the Laser Mage
Should also probably pick up those light pillar incants from the DLC
fleet bronze
Crucible Flower too
mellow silo
Huh, no idea what that does. Lemme go check it out
Oh it's the flower laser thing
Yeah I'll have to grab that
Now to get the drip ready
Nox Mirrorhelm is a given
wild sierra
I didnt get much use for Frenzied Burst on bosses but it was probably by far my most used spell outside of them
tropic stream
||Is Staff of the Great Beyond worth getting?||
||If you're an Int/Fth build aye||
wild sierra
||It seems like it will have worse scaling than the most powerful seal or staff, but the convenience of only needing one for an int/faith full caster is pretty good||
atomic plinth
||Right, right, been wanting to go for an INT/FAI build anyway so this'll give me good incentive to go for that||
frail sky
(Non boss) enemy spoilers: ||WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY FLY NOW!?||
Fun fact: my game crashed the first time I looked at these
wild sierra
You need to update your drivers to patch the arachnophobia issue
wild sierra
Graphics card got spooked
frail sky
You need to update your drivers to patch the arachnophobia issue
(Nearby boss) ||What about the Arkoudaphobia issue?||
||Finally, I have obtained bear communion||
real shadow
I truly hate the worms that shoot that pink ball.
Why no I don't like doing anything for like 10 seconds while getting vomited on.
atomic plinth
Lampreys, and those fuckheads are annoying, yeah
modest berry
That area is so empty too 😭
real shadow
God, yeah, there's TWO things there and one of them is necessary for a boss.
Having TWO of them with overlapping fire paths is pain.
modest berry
You can summon tho which is nice ig
signal harness
So is there any lore for the weird blue worm guys?
Why do they have feet?
These fellers
modest berry
They do the same shit as the jellyfish, however I didnt find any lore they're just lil things
junior spade
Theres gotta be lore somewhere
modest berry
They do sea cucumber stuff with the vomit attack
I dont even think they drop a crafting material for scraps of info
modest trellis
The only idea I have is that they're the scadutree version of the jellyfish
Which is obvious
But it's just like, why?
signal harness
Hmm they’re also sort of sea-themed
Jellyfish and sea cucumbers
The ocean in ER is usually associated with undeath
frail sky
Scorpion river catacombs: So there’s just… a wall in here that marks you with inappropriate activity?
…actually I’m not sure if I should spoiler that one
modest trellis
Scorpion river catacombs: So there’s just… a wall in here that marks you with in...
Huh?
Like it kicks you from the server?
frail sky
There’s a wall that doesn’t have collision so you can walk through it and fall to your death
frail sky
I immediately quit to menu and reloaded to not lose all of my runes, then I got an inappropriate activity warning and was sent to menu
So I guess this catacombs sucks for multiple reasons
past shard
Ah yea that wall, I think you've essentially lost your runes when you phase through it
frail sky
So I guess this catacombs sucks for *multiple* reasons
||God the sound the basilisk statues make is giving me a headache||
modest trellis
These fellers
Do they even have a name?
frail sky
||Is there a way to shut those statues off? Or do I just have to deal with deathblight build up when I’m exploring this place ||
tropic stream
god
idk who else knows this
Let Me Solo Her has updated his fashion to look like one of those requisite 'old badass who's returned out of retirement' characters from tv shows by putting on Morgott's cloak
mellow silo
Based
tropic stream
And of course
mellow silo
Bet he does Greatjar
tropic stream
||But aye, he does||
obtuse halo
||Is there a way to shut those statues off? Or do I just have to deal with death...
||You can briefly disable them with destined death effects and they won’t hurt you if you’re invisible or under mimic veil but there’s no permanent removal||
signal harness
Do they even have a name?
I have no idea
frail sky
||The one time I don’t grab mimic veil 😩 At least I have unseen form though||
frail sky
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702996074511728691/1256728446797611119/...
Don’t forget the trip to the mohg bird
paper badge
Don’t forget the trip to the mohg bird
i sincerely preferred to farm runes in the dlc zones lol
obtuse halo
You can also use law of regression or order healing to clear deathblight lol
Makes crossing some of those rooms easier
frail sky
I respeced into sorcerer 
I’ve got a few boluses at least
obtuse halo
The one time i’d ever consider slotting order healing
old brook
Faith/Arcane means I just spent a lot of time in between lying on the floor
frail sky
I respeced into sorcerer <:sadcowboy:572822626456698892>
I’ve got a few boluses...
||Of course I do this right before going into the dungeon with knight’s lightning spear 
||
obtuse halo
It’s def doable with pure stealth/hustle tho
I didn’t bring any spell aid and did it no deaths
I did equip prince of death pustule though
frail sky
Beat the boss and ooooooh 👀
||...wait shit the ash probably scales with dex doesn't it||
atomic plinth
||...my opinion of Metyr is quickly dwindling||
||Can you stop attacking a goddamn moment so I can do something besides dodge||
old brook
Helping folks with bosses for Rune Farming ( and because the bosses are cool ) and god, ||Messmer|| phase 2 OST goes wild
Hard to focus on the actual runs
frail sky
||...wait shit the ash probably scales with dex doesn't it||
||Oh my god the damage of the ash of war of a weapon with e scaling in dex scales with dex||
frail sky
Scorpion river catacombs: So there’s just… a wall in here that marks you with in...
...I can't connect to the online at all anymore
Hopefully fromsoft fixes that
atomic plinth
||Oh boy I really fucking hate Metyr now||
||I thought the dual wielding enemies were bad but at least they stop attacking eventually||
||And she just WILL NOT focus on whatever help I summon, always hyperfocuses on me so I can't do shit because she is constantly fucking attacking me||
tropic stream
||Of course I do this right before going into the dungeon with knight’s lightnin...
dabs in Int/Fth
mellow silo
...I can't connect to the online at all anymore
Go to your steam, click on the game, go to manage, go to files, and verify your files
Usually takes a bit of time, but it fixes the Inappropriate Activities thingy
That same thing has happened twice to me before with this DLC 
frail sky
*dabs in Int/Fth*
I tried that but then I noticed I was never using my sorceries because of the poor scaling
frail sky
Very backloaded
obtuse halo
70/50 is the point at which it firmly beats everything but Lusat's staff though
frail sky
I guess it was just bad at the level I was at then
obtuse halo
It also beats every other staff at 50/50 but 70 int gives much more fair treatment to other top tier staves
frail sky
It was definitely like ~50 behind the golden order seal
obtuse halo
Oh yeah golden order seal kicks ass at much lower stats
you want the Gelmir Glintstone Staff for a direct Golden Order Seal comparison
though that one's more of a pain in the ass since you have to farm it and there's one enemy who drops it. And that enemy sucks to farm
(it's an 11% drop from the Man-Serpent Sorcerer at the end of Volcano Manor)
atomic plinth
Does anyone have advice for ||Metyr||
obtuse halo
Honestly I destroyed it first try with Pest Threads
atomic plinth
||She NEVER FUCKING STOPS ATTACKING PLEASE GOD JUST FUCKING QUIT FOR A MOMENT||
obtuse halo
if you're more into sorceries, shard spiral is probably similarly effective
if you're into melee...I have no useful advice
frail sky
Usually takes a bit of time, but it fixes the Inappropriate Activities thingy
That worked, thank you!
atomic plinth
I'm doing something else
Fuck this shit
...god, all the enemies in this DLC feel stupidly aggressive for some reason
frail sky
Weapon spoilers: ||found the scriptsmith hammer, I love this thing it’s very silly||
obtuse halo
||The scriptsmith weapons are so delightful||
Honestly the new weapons are the main thing that makes me sad about the DLC, in that I love them but there's no practical early-entry for them
obtuse halo
With most weapons in the game if you know what you're doing you can zoom and pick up an item within an hour of starting a save and build around it
but the DLC and all DLC content is very lategame and as big as the DLC is, the game is at least like 75% over by the time you can get anything in it
trail sail
Yeah I think if you've got a thing you really want to play around with, no shame in getting it dropped over or just cheating it in
obtuse halo
so none of these cool new weapons can really be built around in the same way, though you can always respec
yeah that's also fair
dropping is real
tropic stream
dlc item spoilers; I made a Lord Yupa cosplay
modest berry
!!!! the greatest swordsman in all the periphery !!!
obtuse halo
That's some solid drip
modest berry
i wish you could do a ng+ keeping all the items but having them not be upgraded already i think that would be perfect in my book, just right
trail sail
eg. If I really want to make a Perfurmer build I'm not gonna wait until the DLC to get me a Firespark Bottle or something
obtuse halo
Yeah!
though honestly I've planned out potential perfumer runs before the dlc even dropped
the main thing that's stopped me is farming Miranda Powder sucks ass
😛
trail sail
lol yeah
modest berry
twinking ig would help but i shouldnt have to do like networking for cosplay
obtuse halo
...what do you mean by twinking here? because I associate that term with what I frequently do for runs, which is using foreknowledge to go to high level areas at low levels for specific items to make a build work
tropic stream
I think that's what holiday means
They're lamenting both available options to them being ass XD
modest berry
im referring someone else online dropping a high level item to you as a possible solution
obtuse halo
Like when I started a run as a black knife user by skipping to altus plateau and killing the black knife there at like level 20
ah
obtuse halo
no, no it would not
tropic stream
The main way I'm gonna go about doing all the builds I wanna do for the dlc weapons is just
NG+
And splitting my saves
modest berry
ng+ is almost good but i worry itll be too easy at early levels with everything upgraded, but ive never actually done it b4
old brook
As close as we can get to the Burial Blade v-v
atomic plinth
Aye
mellow silo
Weapon spoilers: ||found the scriptsmith hammer, I love this thing it’s very sil...
Not my video but
God I wish Crossbows were better
Having an offhand crossbow looks ridiculously cool, but does absolutely nothing for me strategically
modest berry
How were the new repeating and shotgun ones, still ass?
mellow silo
Shotgun is inaccurate as hell
Repeater might be good, but it's an absolute pain to use
tropic stream
The fashion I wanna try and bet fucks tremendously is the Ronin chest with (dlc item spoilers) ||star-lined blade||
perfect trash goblin spellsword vibes
mellow silo
The repeat shot is the Ash of War, so you can't off hand it, and have to hold the AoW button down as you fire, and if your target moves at all the whole thing misses
And of course it's very FP hungry
Pretty much the only usecase is to speedrun your status application at the beginning of a fight and never using it again
Overall, other than that one use, Pulley Crossbow is Just Better
signal harness
Pulley crossbow is cool but that area is so weird
trail sail
Mt. Gelmir?
mellow silo
Yup, backside of gelmir
glossy delta
The repeater crossbow is good for applying statuses on large bosses and thats basically it
obtuse halo
The best crossbow is probably still pulley crossbow as a status tool
bleed bolts (burred bolts) can be bought infinitely from a merchant
mellow silo
If you have the equip load, I definitely recommend using the Repeater Crossbow as a one time use fight starter, but if you value consistency and ease of use at all, Pulley Crossbow is the way to go
dusty kraken
Updated my gear, losing the dancing blades. They're cool but now I have the perfume talisman
obtuse halo
perfumes look sick
also dancer outfit is sweet
I actually really like the altered version
it's just a little black dress
signal harness
Mt. Gelmir?
Yeah it’s just a weird and kinda neat lore area
Bunch of marginalized groups chilling in a remote valley
obtuse halo
the pulley crossbow specifically is right next to the Demihuman Village with a group of Raya Lucarian Scholars teaching the queen magic
signal harness
Yeah it’s neat
obtuse halo
they're all hostile to you, of course, but they seem to be cohabitating harmoniously
signal harness
I think one of the super stone wizards has a body there as well
obtuse halo
you can spot a sorcerer positioned atop a rock with a bunch of demihumans sitting down and seemingly listening to a lecture or speech.
and yeah, Azur lives nearby too
trail sail
They're paired weapons by default
obtuse halo
lol
trail sail
So two handing them just pulls out another
kind garden
okay cool but can you power stance two different perfumes
atomic plinth
||This seems... somewhat good||
||Does it apply to ANY weapon being wielded in two hands?||
glossy delta
Yeah, two handed weapons of any sort work but not paired weapons
dusty kraken
also dancer outfit is sweet
With me losing the dancing blades it's not really optimal but it looks too stylish to take off. XD
glossy delta
Oh, bows and the other ranged weapons dont work either alas
trail sail
you can spot a sorcerer positioned atop a rock with a bunch of demihumans sittin...
hot take: there should be more neutral NPCs just hanging out
atomic plinth
Makes sense
obtuse halo
Oh, bows and the other ranged weapons dont work either alas
DAMN IT
I dared hope I might get anything for my bow-only run out of the DLC
😛
signal harness
hot take: there should be more neutral NPCs just hanging out
Would be cool yeah
frail sky
||This seems... somewhat good||
||I think it’s like a 15% increase too||
obtuse halo
Okay there's ||The sharpshooter talisman|| but that does not help with Radagon. 😛
obtuse halo
yeah I already permaslotted that
kind garden
DLC has the Arrow's Soaring Sting talisman
frail sky
it's both bow talismans in one slot
Does it stack with the existing ones?
(Didn’t mean to @ , sorry)
kind garden
iunno, I don't use bows
obtuse halo
arrow's reach isn't that useful but if it's free it's free I guess
I know where the place is, though I don't remember finding it when I went there
kind garden
I mean, when you're invading Arrow's Reach is pretty good
obtuse halo
but at least it's a location I could reasonably reach with my archer!
oh god I don't invade with my bow user
It's enough of a challenge run against enemies without a brain
😛
kind garden
+18%
obtuse halo
more of it!
kind garden
pretty fuggin good
obtuse halo
Yeah but +18% is like. 50 damage per arrow? Definitely not nothing, but not a game changer
not compared to real weapons that do real damage
😛
frail sky
I do wonder why they made bows so terrible
obtuse halo
Okay so
kind garden
Rabbath's Cannon seems like a real option for ranged only
obtuse halo
as someone who has actually done almost all of the game bow-only, including beating Malenia and Mohg...they're pretty godawful but they do have their advantages
the light bow moveset is one of the most flexible and fun in the game, unironically
the jumping and rolling shot come out very fast and legolas-ing about is a joy
kind garden
I had an invasion moment against a host and two phantoms all named Proctologists who did nothing but jump and shoot poison arrows with the Black Bow
all wearing full Night's Cavalry gear
obtuse halo
sure you do like 300 damage per shot even optimized at high level, but it's fun
tarnished-type enemies are the worst because they have i-frame dodges and input read your shots, so you're just wasting arrows unless you can bait something and catch them in the animation.
proven horizon
I do wonder why they made bows so terrible
I wouldn't even say bows are terrible. I've also done most of a bow only playthrough (killed mohg with it) but even with my DLC character I got good mileage out of my serpent bow
kind garden
maybe the most upsetting coordinated gank I've ever invaded into
proven horizon
You can use it to break up groups of enemies before engaging them, and knock out casters that are harassing you
obtuse halo
I still haven't beaten radagon but that's a much more complex problem
proven horizon
Most caster enemies have godawful poise, so dumping arrows into them means they ususally can't hit back
obtuse halo
You can use it to break up groups of enemies before engaging them, and knock out...
yeah bow utility is actually fantastic
kind garden
oh btw Jane have you tried Ansbach's bow
kind garden
Bone Bow?
trail sail
I do wonder why they made bows so terrible
Ranged weapons being terrible has been a constant of Souls game from the very beginning - I'm fairly sure it has to do with them being low to zero commitment options with plentiful resources, so they're relegated specifically to being utility or poke
obtuse halo
I did see bone bow but I'm not playing the dlc with my archer currently
so haven't seriously used it
frail sky
I still haven't beaten radagon but that's a much more complex problem
Is it the projectile parry, it’s the projectile parry isn’t it?
obtuse halo
Yes, partly
proven horizon
yeah bow utility is actually fantastic
I'll probably end up using bows of some kind on all my subsequent characters to be honest, they're just so handy
obtuse halo
he also just has endboss hp and is immune to statuses, which I've been using as my "make up the difference" on damage.
Okay radagon is only immune to bleed, not all statuses
frail sky
Radagon doesn't give a FUCK about projectiles
Just casually parrying an entire comet azur
obtuse halo
but he resists poison and frost arrows are horrible to farm for
kind garden
Elden Beast also has that dummythicc hp and blanket immunity no
dusty kraken
Also, man the phrase || 'Maybe they were made to be better than their contents' about the jars || gets fucking dark in the DLC.
obtuse halo
and Elden Beast has blanket immunity, yeah.
proven horizon
The other thing that makes bows a bit iffy is a lot of later bosses dodge ranged attacks
kind garden
Also, man the phrase || 'Maybe they were made to be better than their contents' ...
||to be fair, the maingame jars are a completely different species||
obtuse halo
Actually my concept strat for Elden Beast (if I could get there, I have yet to beat Radagon) is hardswapping to the Lion Greatbow and using that.
obtuse halo
||to be fair, the maingame jars are a completely different species||
not so sure they are
trail sail
||to be fair, the maingame jars are a completely different species||
||Where is this stated?||
obtuse halo
The other thing that makes bows a bit iffy is a lot of later bosses dodge ranged...
Yeah, Malenia was a serious challenge
kind garden
||They are! We know what goes into maingame jars and it's different, their purpose is to ferry the dead back to Minor Erdtrees and be shattered by a Tree Avatar when they're full, to recover the dead and bring them back for Erdtree Burial||
obtuse halo
Yeah, Malenia was a _serious challenge_
the strat here btw is to bait attacks and catch them in an animation. The rolling shot is really helpful for this, you can frequently punish and roll an attack in the same move.
Oh! incidentally, secret tech for bow builds: Spear Talisman. It applies to all pierce damage when animation-catching, which is the best time to fire a bow anyway
proven horizon
Yeah, spear talisman is so good
atomic plinth
||Stop peepin me with them peepers||
obtuse halo
my favorite dumb tech for this dungeon: ||Mimic Veil||
||if it thinks you're a candlestick, it doesn't see you enough to apply deathblight||
kind garden
eyyy
obtuse halo
Unseen Form also works
atomic plinth
||...also, found the wall that sends you plummeting to your death||
obtuse halo
oh no
atomic plinth
0/10, terrible secret