Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[tropic stream]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

[frail ferry]

where are the small lightning axes

[golden pond]

||she killed messmer with them too||

[umbral portal]

You're mom

[frail ferry]

yeah she borrowed them from yours

[golden pond]

go north from Castle Front grace

[tropic stream]

So, question

||Are Messmer and Rykard's serpents related?||

[golden pond]

So, answer

[tropic stream]

har har xD

[limpid peak]

||I don't think so, but we know very little about snakes in Elden Ring. There was an immortal serpent that people were sacrificed to (probably the same as Rykards) and the Gladiator set mentions that the serpent is an enemy of the Erdtree, no idea what that means.||

[old brook]

It seems that all of ||Marika's Children|| have been touched by distinct ||Outer Gods||, but Rykard went and made the choice himself

[frozen olive]

||the Snakes Messmer has are not really mentioned that much, the most we know about them is that Marika replaced one of his eyes by a seal to keep them within his body, and that she abandoned him out of fear iirc||

[old brook]

And ||Is it even an Outer God? It was here first. Is it a Regular God? Is there a difference.||

[golden pond]

||this is clearly related to the new Starfield DLC Shattered Space where we deal with House Va'ruun and their fanatical ways of worshipping The Great Serpent||

[limpid peak]

I think it's only the children of ||her and Radagon that were touched by outer gods||

[umbral portal]

||The what||

[old brook]

What about the twins? :o

[frozen olive]

||we do know about some new gods in relation to the dlc, specifically the Tutelary deities mentioned in one of the spirit ashes||

[tropic stream]

||Also, did FromSoft/GRR really just split the Nameless King into Godwyn and Messmer?||

[old brook]

All I know is gods seem territorial as hell

[golden pond]

||the starfield is getting a dlc and house Va'ruun is a key player, they're said to worship The Great Serpent. IDK what that is in terms of sci-fi game but hey, snake stuff||

[limpid peak]

||Children on Marika and Radagon||

[old brook]

Marika and Godfrey!

[golden pond]

Donkey!

[umbral portal]

||Ah I thought you were refering to the Multiverse stuff in SF||

[frozen olive]

||The Crucible is also technically a deity of worship, though it seems to be more passive? We never get any hints of sapience in anything describing it||

[umbral portal]

||Cause to my very sparse knowledge the DLC also includes that||

[limpid peak]

Marika and Godfrey birthed Morgott, Mohg and Godwynn

(spot the odd one out)

[old brook]

( we can't, he was murdered v-v )

[frozen olive]

||none of them were touched by outer gods though, at least not directly, Mohg did find one later in life, but most of Marika's children did so except Miquella and Malenia||

[tropic stream]

I think we're getting confused cuz iirc there are two sets of twins

[atomic plinth]

Are those scorpion spider ashes any good?

[frozen olive]

||it's the same case for Ranni||

[atomic plinth]

Having a bigass bug on my side seems fun

[tropic stream]

There's also Miquella and Malenia

[old brook]

Morgott has ||Bloodflame|| all up in his stuff though

[umbral portal]

||Malenia was touched by the Scarlet Rot from the beginning iirc||

[frozen olive]

||The Crucible is notably NOT an outer god, and is in fact native to the Lands Between/Land of Shadows||

[limpid peak]

||like I said, it seems like only children of Marika and Radagon were touched by gods||

[umbral portal]

||Isn't the Crucible the the primevil form of the Erdtree?||

[frozen olive]

||yeah but so did Morgott, that's something to do with their Omen blood technically||

||The Formless Mother just capitalized on that and gave Mohg more blood magic shit||

[golden pond]

it can apply poison

[frozen olive]

||it is said to be yes||

[tropic stream]

Miquella and Malenia are Godfrey's kids tho...

[frozen olive]

||either way, the Crucible is not an outer god as it is native to the world of Elden Ring||

[frail sky]

Shadow keep: ||I've thrown about a dozen hefty fire pots at this thing and nothing has happened, I feel like I'm missing something||

[frozen olive]

this is, not true

they are the children of Radagon and Marika

[golden pond]

||Hefty Furnace Pot||

[tropic stream]

Wait what?

[limpid peak]

nope

[umbral portal]

||Did you land them in the "pot"?||

[limpid peak]

Radagon and Marika

[tropic stream]

||Then wtf is Miquella going on about with Radahn being his||

I forgot the other disaster couple

That is what happened

[umbral portal]

spoilers

[limpid peak]

Marika only had three children with Godfrey

[kind garden]

||It has to be a furnace pot||

[tropic stream]

his half brother

[frozen olive]

spoiler that

[atomic plinth]

Poison sucks though, that's not very promising

[tropic stream]

A fact from the base game lol

[golden pond]

yuppers

i've been using a knight ash

[frail sky]

This is `100% dlc spoilers

[frozen olive]

every one of the demigod children are kids of Marika/Radagon

[old brook]

Miquella doesn't 'go on' about anything in the base game lmao

[frozen olive]

therefore they are all half siblings or full siblings

[frail sky]

Welp, guess I need to find the recipe for that

[frozen olive]

Marika is Radagon and Radagon is Marika

thus any children of Radagon are half siblings with any children of Marika

[umbral portal]

||Do the Furnace item things even do anything||

[frozen olive]

technically i guess Miquella and Malenia are just full siblings

with everyone

[umbral portal]

||The items you get from dead golems||

[frozen olive]

since you know

they have one parent technically

[golden pond]

needed for furnace pots

[limpid peak]

I do think ||Messmer and Melina were children of Marika and Radagon, but they predate most of the others||

[umbral portal]

ah

[tropic stream]

||I forgot Melina was one of Marika's kids ngl||

[golden pond]

location, if you need it

[tropic stream]

||Is that confirmed or nah?||

[frozen olive]

||Messmer was definitely Marikas firstborn and Melina is the only reasonable option to have been his sister||

[limpid peak]

||and predate Radagon as Elden Lord||

[frozen olive]

||it's not confirmed no||

||but she's the only reasonable option||

[tropic stream]

||Option for what?||

||Does Messmer mention having a sister?||

[limpid peak]

||Yeah, the only question is if Radagon's the father. I think he is though, and I think they were born after (or during) the war with the fire giants||

[wild sierra]

||It is never afaik made clear who messmer's dad is, it's probably Radgon but some people speculated it's a third person (the Fell God of Fire)||

[frozen olive]

||it simply wouldn't make sense for her to exist in the state she does, have Messmer have a sister who was burned, and instead make Messmer's sister be some random unknown child of Marika||

[old brook]

His rememberance references one

[wild sierra]

||personally I think Radagon is the easiest explanation||

[limpid peak]

||I agree, it just predates his time as Elden Lord||

[tropic stream]

||Radagon is the easiest cuz of the red hair, which is admittedly strong evidence||

[frozen olive]

||The kindling that burned inside Messmer the Impaler. A dark thing, eaten away at by a wicked serpent. Burns the sealing tree said to be found at the old Rauh ruins. Messmer, much like his younger sister, bore a vision of fire||

[old brook]

They're from a really toxic relationship with the Gloam Eyed Queen

[frozen olive]

||"Messmer, much like his younger sister, bore a vision of fire" This particular line, bearing a vision of fire, is the reason i think it has to be Melina||

[tropic stream]

ooooooooooo, that's a juicy one

[limpid peak]

oh, here's a big lore question ||What creature is Marika pulling the gold rune from in the Shadow of the Erdtree story trailer?||

[wild sierra]

||maybe she fucked the snake who knows||

[frozen olive]

||He only has two other sisters, and like, it can't be Ranni or Malenia||

[limpid peak]

||it's at the gate of divinity and everything is soaked in blood||

[frozen olive]

||unknown i think||

[limpid peak]

really worth giving the Shadow of the Erdtree story trailer a rewatch

[frozen olive]

but yeah

[old brook]

Also, of all the characters, I hope there's some sort of afterlife for ||Midra||, dude did not deserve what he got. Renalla turned into a husk from a rocky divorce and Sage tanked this for so long

[wild sierra]

||I think she is pulling grace out of the people used to make the gate||

[frozen olive]

||Messmer is mentioned as having a sister who bore a vision of fire and that fits Melina like a glove||

[tropic stream]

||I will also point out it does appear Melina has very dark auburn hair, which I thought was just brown||

[limpid peak]

||She's standing in the flesh of a dead creature, and it's very large||

[wild sierra]

||unfortunately he very likely immolated his own spirit||

[frozen olive]

||the only other option is that it's an unnamed unknown child of marika that is still hidden which makes no sense at all, and it cannot be Malenia or Ranni since they do distinctly not bear visions of fire||

[old brook]

ahh right that ol' chestnut

[wild sierra]

||i just think the gate was probably a bit fresher back then but who knows||

[tropic stream]

||Yeah we kinda pushed Midra over the edge into basically having a psychotic break at being disturbed again||

[old brook]

Also did they expect him to die? Or was this around the time Death Broke

[frozen olive]

ohhhh

[tropic stream]

||So his boss is I'm pretty sure him just 'peacing out' and self-annihilating and leaving you to deal with it||

[frozen olive]

i didn't realize that ||the Hornsent actually put that sword in Midra to execute him||

[golden pond]

||it clearly didn't owrk||

[tropic stream]

||Ye it was his punishment||

[golden pond]

also ngl

[frozen olive]

||it most definitely did not||

i gotta wonder though

[golden pond]

||i'm a bit mad it's a greatsword||

[old brook]

Punishment for.. setting up shop in a cursed valley, I guess

[frozen olive]

||why the fuck does Nanaya have his spine?||

[golden pond]

||was really hoping for like a light greatsword pokey move set||

[old brook]

There's theory that ||their son|| was another almost-lord

[frozen olive]

ah

that could work

[tropic stream]

||I don't think it was an execution, I think they probably reckoned they couldn't kill him in a way that mattered, so making him suffer was their punishment for him||

[frozen olive]

||well, the sword is specifically mentioned as being used for executions, but he didn't die from it so who knows||

[tropic stream]

||Huh.||

[frozen olive]

||it does also mention that it's a "small spinal column" which i guess could fit? who knows||

[tropic stream]

||Well what the fuck.||

[old brook]

||'Endure.' 'The word was a curse.'||

[frozen olive]

||Golden greatsword that once pierced the body of Midra, master of the manse. Used by the hornsent in the execution of a damnation like no other. The barbs that pierce the victim from within wind gently around the blade.||

[wild sierra]

idk ||whose spine it is|| but I do know that it makes a really sick torch

[frozen olive]

surely

kind of a shite weapon unfortunately

[tropic stream]

||Well then.||

[golden pond]

it's feeble for a reason c:

[tropic stream]

||You really fucked that up, didn't ya hornsent?||

[frozen olive]

||Man the Hornsent really were going around doing all sorts of shit huh||

[wild sierra]

idk it worked for a pretty long time

[old brook]

Albinaurics seemingly the only peoples in all the lands between without heinous intent of -some- variety

And of course, this means they are hunted

[tropic stream]

||Didn't feckin' kill 'im tho, did it XD||

[golden pond]

||it got him contained||

[wild sierra]

||everyone struggling with Gaius would disagree|| but yeah you're mostly right
although it may just be that they haven't had the chance or time yet

[frozen olive]

||They were never saints, they just happened to be on the losing side of the war||

[old brook]

Elden Ring shockingly anti-authoritarian for game about becoming Lord

[frozen olive]

i mean

[frail sky]

||Okay Leda has gone mad and wants to cull the non believers, that’s nice||

[frozen olive]

the DLC goes incredibly fucking hard on the concept of ||perpetuating the cycle of suffering||

[tropic stream]

||Are the weird frogfaced fuckers and the decrepit old dudes without working legs and the silver archers all albinaurics?||

||Bit of a stupid question, just wanna confirm||

[mellow silo]

A classic, lol

[frozen olive]

like genuinely every fucked up thing that happens is someone just, ||perpetuating the cycle of suffering that someone else started||

[frozen olive]

yes

this is correct

[frail sky]

||Oh god I can give her suggestions. There is no way in hell I’m doing that though||

[old brook]

Who hurt you, Shabriri, why you gotta be like that

[mellow silo]

Yeah. First gen albins are the guys with no legs, second gen are frogs

[tropic stream]

||wonders if this plus the Tibetan/Chinese influences in Hornsent architecture and bosses is meant to evoke buddhism stuff||

[frozen olive]

||the reason the old dudes and silver archers do not walk is because uh, they have bloodclots in their legs which stop them working||

||the second gen albinaurics seem to not have that problem but they look goofy as shit and iirc are kinda dumb||

[frail ferry]

who should i send in next

arcane dragon build, or sorceries

[old brook]

Second Gen can't speak ( on purpose by creation, because, Sorcerors also Not Nice )

[mellow silo]

Good luck

[golden pond]

chuck a moon

[tropic stream]

What if Shabriri is ||Midra's child, like I've seen some people suggest Midra having||

[frail ferry]

pog

[frozen olive]

The Albinaurics don't have time to be awful

everyone is torturing them or trying to do genocide

so they are eminently busy trying not to go extinct or be tortured to death

[old brook]

I like this but the talisman makes it sound like guy's ancient

[tropic stream]

||And Midra isn't?||

||Hasn't Midra been there like, a while?||

[wild sierra]

its not really clear

he might have been there for hundreds of years or like 20

[tropic stream]

||Like he got punished while the Hornsent were still running the show, which if I had to hazard a guess gives us at least a good few centuries||

[old brook]

Also not clear what Shabriri did outside slander

[frail sky]

||She’s going after the hornsent because he might betray Miquella, how did she go off the deep end this quickly||

[limpid peak]

timelines are loose in From games

[frozen olive]

i desperately wish the ||dancing lion mask|| wasn't so big

fuck

[old brook]

Do like the 'he got the Traveling Merchants doomed'

[frozen olive]

||Leda is unambiguously a Zealot||

[wild sierra]

well consider ||she is the only one of them who was a follower of miquella before she was charmed, so why would miquella need to charm her?||

[tropic stream]

||Keep talking to her after you progress her quest, she has some utterly fascinating r/woosh moments about herself||

[steel scroll]

chips
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Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 9:33 PM

[old brook]

His snakes are so fuckin cute

[tropic stream]

||While I get the point, she literally acknowledges that he did||

[frail sky]

||I am so tempted to just attack her right now but I want to see what happens||

[tropic stream]

Rose in particular don't click this ||The dialogue I was saying Rose could look forward to was Leda literally going 'Huh while I'm not charmed by Miquella I am really distrustful, aren't I?||

[wild sierra]

||she might have been charmed willingly but the point remains that there needed to be some problem with her non-charmed "I'm your loyal servant" behaviour which required correcting 😅 ||z

[frozen olive]

||there is also an explanation of why she's like that in a set of armor you can find||

[tropic stream]

||Her being so insanely distrustful and prone to purging the 'disloyal' is probably why lmao||

[frozen olive]

||that's not what i mean||

[mellow silo]

Do it

I am the devil on your shoulder. Do it

[tropic stream]

Oh I was responding to Jacq, sorry lol

[frozen olive]

ah i see

[glossy delta]

||I believe execution is used here in the way of 'to enact something'||
||It was used to perform 'a damnation like no other'- Midra's torture upon the barbs||

[modest berry]

||it is very funny though you get a command grab||

[frail sky]

Shadow keep: ||through the very skillful tactic of throwing rocks at it, I’ve killed the furnace golem that was blocking the way into the ruins. My reward is apparently an incantation and a mediocre sword that can’t be removed from its sheath. Neat. ||

[umbral portal]

||Keep the sword||

[tropic stream]

||What's the incant?||

[modest berry]

||it is a strike damage sword with square off which isnt bad||

[frail sky]

||Giant golden arc, which is apparently a tool of torture||

[mellow silo]

NO

[kind garden]

do not

[mellow silo]

It's actually cool, trust

[kind garden]

||Rose are you perhaps familiar with the legend of the sword in the stone||

[frail sky]

I’m not actually getting rid of it

[frozen olive]

||divine beast warriors are so annoying||

[frail sky]

||Yeah, it’s the one where you can’t get the sword out of the stone so you just use it as a club with the stone attached right?||

[kind garden]

||I mean how else would you use it as a weapon until it's unsheathed||

[modest berry]

genuinely i always defeat them by just spamming ashes of war, they dont stagger 😭, had to farm a certain version later on

[kind garden]

those bastards are tough as hell and their poise/posture is off the charts

[golden pond]

Better. You'll see when oyu explore :D

[frail sky]

||Elden Ring had no durability so I presumably can’t just santier’s spear it to get a new weapon||

[kind garden]

||There's a way to unsheathe it||

[frail sky]

||So it’s gotta be something else||

[glossy delta]

||Look at the description, that gives you most of what you need||

[frozen olive]

also i said it earlier but

(final boss spoilers)||Shield and poke bleed build is DISGUSTINGLY effective against Radahn||

||grabbing a heavy shield build and a bleed poke weapon took it from being the hardest boss in any souls game i've played to one of the easiest||

||literally just slow walked at him the entire fight with my shield up, and with some stamina management he literally could not hurt me at all||

[frail sky]

||...well that narrows it down a bit||

[frozen olive]

lmao

[umbral portal]

||That was quick lol||

[atomic plinth]

Finally got a fire knight greatsword

Holy shit the scaling on this thing is nuts

[vivid spire]

faith?

[atomic plinth]

I've got it at Cold and it's currently sitting at B scaling in INT, C in DEX, and D in STR and FAI

[frozen olive]

yeah

fire knight greatsword

use fire on it

it innately boosts fire infusion

[atomic plinth]

The fact that it has B scaling at all when infused is really good

[frozen olive]

so you will always get more out of the flame arts

[atomic plinth]

I'm an INT built though

Guessing I shouldn't use this then

[frozen olive]

it's a fire knight sword,i don't make the rules 😔

nah you can

but it will always be much better with fire

[atomic plinth]

...granted

[frail ferry]

change of plans i wanna use bleed backhand blades

dragon arcane time

[atomic plinth]

I do wanna go for a hybrid INT/FAI build

So maybe I can just do that

[frozen olive]

alkso when was anyone going to tell me that ||the divine beast head and divine beast helm|| are different things

[frail sky]

Wait, does that mean it resets its own frostbite?

[frozen olive]

||divine beast helm|| is exactly what i've been wanting

[frozen olive]

if it's a cold infusion, no

unless it does fire damage on normal hits

[atomic plinth]

...

[frozen olive]

which it does not seem to do

[atomic plinth]

I just threetapped an invader with this thing

What the fuck

[glossy delta]

It does

[atomic plinth]

What even is this sword holy shit

[frozen olive]

it does fire damage on normal hits while cold infused?

[atomic plinth]

This thing is ridiculous

[mellow silo]

Yeah it does a bit of fire naturally

[glossy delta]

It has 44 fire damage by default and is infusable yes

[frail sky]

The fire knight greatsword… doesn’t do fire damage?

Oh okay good

[frozen olive]

huh

[atomic plinth]

It deals a very small amount of innate fire damage

[frozen olive]

i thought it wouldn't

[mellow silo]

FKGS is just that good

[frozen olive]

well i guess it's just that good

[tropic stream]

how much fire damage is needed to reset frostbite?

[frozen olive]

i don't have an enemy to test out the cold reset on but i guess it could reset it theoretically then?

[tropic stream]

Is it 'literally any'?

[frail sky]

Infuseable weapons with elemental damage keep their base element when they’re infused

[frail sky]

I think so?

[frozen olive]

i'll give it a try

[atomic plinth]

...also, how the fuck do I deal with Gaius

[mellow silo]

Summon

[frozen olive]

it does not seem to reset its own cold proc

i got it to proc cold and hitting the enemy did not reset it

[atomic plinth]

Why does he get high mobility, high tankiness, AND high damage, this is just fucking stupid

[mellow silo]

Unironically, it's way easier when he has to split his focus and not be able to get his charge off due to the pressure

I'll help out of needed

[atomic plinth]

Wish you could knock him off the boar like you can do with night's cavalry

[mellow silo]

But having three would be even better

[steel scroll]

||imagine a player's surprise when they do that and realise he's an albinauric||

[frozen olive]

ok yeah i proc'd cold again

and threw a fireball which reset it

so the sword does not reset its own cold proc immediately

idk if it could do so in a few hits but one or two is not enough

ok hit the enemy around 3-4 times with it and it did not reset the proc

i have to assume it simply can't

[atomic plinth]

...I would appreciate the help, yes

I'm getting sick of beating my head against this wall

Fuckin

[modest berry]

i love his weapon art!!!! PSYCHO CRUSHAAAAAAAA

[atomic plinth]

WHY can this dude just fly around in several hundred pounds of metal

...wait he know gravity magic

[frozen olive]

yes

[atomic plinth]

Nevermind, makes sense now

[frozen olive]

that's what the purple is

[mellow silo]

Gimme a second to hop on

[grave plinth]

||interestingly, Rykard’s serpents seem to colubrids(cobra relatives) while Messmer’s actually seem to be pythons||

[frozen olive]

you on pc?

i can summon if you need another

[atomic plinth]

I am, aye

I'd appreciate the additional help

Should I set a password?

[mellow silo]

Code LANCER

[atomic plinth]

Lmao nice

[frozen olive]

let me hop on my dlc character

on a different one that i'm making into a storm sorcerer

[atomic plinth]

On the bright side, all this has taught me that this greatsword is fucking nuts

I love this thing

[frozen olive]

then i will have all of the elements

[mellow silo]

Oh wait we all have FKGS don't we

[nova smelt]

no spoilers but the final boss of this DLC might be my new favorite souls boss ever

[mellow silo]

Oh oop I was offline

[frozen olive]

Cold Night Freya(Water), Flameseer Freja(Fire), Stonemover Freya(earth) and Windwalker Freja(air)

[mellow silo]

Sign down, we ready

[atomic plinth]

Not seeing it, where'd you place it?

[atomic plinth]

Become da Avatar

[mellow silo]

Right behind the gracepoint

[atomic plinth]

I am blind

[frozen olive]

my sign should be up by the grace

[frozen olive]

truly, i am the elemental mistress

Stonemover Freya is the funniest cause she is a shield poke

[mellow silo]

FKGS gang!

Dear Lorde that attack lmao

[atomic plinth]

...I hate this goddamn boss

[frozen olive]

yeah

i forgor i have low flasks

[mellow silo]

We were going pretty fast though

[atomic plinth]

Absolutely no reason it should have this much mobility

[frozen olive]

want me to pull out Stonemover Freya and just do shield and poke?

[mellow silo]

We'll get it eventually

[atomic plinth]

If you want, I'm ambivalent

Gonna try my dual LGS, maybe that'll do it

Cause they deal STUPID damage

[frozen olive]

i'll try another time with this

oughta use my magic more

since this is a caster build

[glossy stag]

I'm kind of let down by ||poleblade of the bud, looks real neat but weapon art is just so impractical and prone to missing||

[mellow silo]

Sign down again

[atomic plinth]

Finally got his ass

[frozen olive]

[atomic plinth]

Turns out twin LGS was the way to go after all

Thank you Frey

[frozen olive]

np

bit sad i didn't survive until the end but my potions ran out 😔

[atomic plinth]

...what a terrible boss, I kinda wish I'd cheesed him

Shame, too, cause he's cool as fuck thematically

[frozen olive]

if you need help on any other boss i'm super down

[atomic plinth]

Of course

[mellow silo]

Lmao ABANDONED

[glossy delta]

||Its decent for applying rot to large bosses but yeahhh||

[frozen olive]

i don't have much to do now that i've beat the absolute tar out of everytihng

[atomic plinth]

Thanks again, couldn't have done it without you

[frozen olive]

😭

[mellow silo]

Good that you got it though

[frozen olive]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-solar-praise-the-sun-gif-5316154

JOLLY CO-OPERATION

[glossy stag]

||such a long windup for such a wild swing that misses a lot T_T ||

[frozen olive]

i'm going to help people fight the final boss i think

[mellow silo]

But I was sitting on my sign for the past 10 minutes lmao

[glossy stag]

me - yey, finally arcane weapon

oh no

[golden pond]

OOOO I NEED THAT INT WEAPON FROM CERULEAN COAST

[frozen olive]

which one?

time for battle

[atomic plinth]

...man

I wish we knew more about the Alabaster Lords

They seem incredibly cool lore-wise

[frozen olive]

damn it

the host of fingers died 😔

[limpid peak]

yeah, all we see of them is hostile enemies but they're clearly more than that

they taught Radahn magic

[frozen olive]

and that host of fingers summoned two perfect co-operators to win too

[golden pond]

ONZE'S LINE OF STARS RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[frozen olive]

died 😔

damn we didn't make it

they summoned extra, if it were just me it'd be light work

[glossy delta]

I just realized something
Is (mid game side quest spoilers) ||St Trinas nectar the first time you respawning is presented as a canon thing||

[frozen olive]

||how do you mean?||

[mellow silo]

Claws Of Night are interesting

[glossy delta]

Like uhhhhhhhhh
||There is an implication from the starting crawl that those who are guided by grace did come back from death at least once, from all the big names being dead there||
||But whenever you kill someone they die permanently so it sort of seems like in-fiction thats a one time deal||
||But you need to kill yourself multiple times with St Trinas Nectar to progress her quest, and thiollier says that drinking the nectar WILL kill you, so those deaths are 'real' in the world||

[frozen olive]

LETS GOOOOO

WE WIN

[frozen olive]

||i'm unsure, cause Tarnished can canonically revive i'm pretty sure, unless they lose the grace of gold||

||i'd personally say they are though||

[proven horizon]

||Tarnished of no renown too graceful to die||

[frozen olive]

||having it writ upon my meagre grave that i was a bad bitch and nobody could truly kill me||

[atomic plinth]

...oh my god

That is

That looks like something from a painting

[tropic stream]

Oh hey Wamly

Prepare to have your heart ripped out through your spine

:3

[atomic plinth]

...oh god and ||the harp part from the title theme|| is playing

[tropic stream]

;3

[tropic stream]

entirely unrelated to the actual content of the picture but I just realized I should try to get your helmet and see how it looks with my drip

[atomic plinth]

So this is ||Marika's home|| then

[kind garden]

aye

[atomic plinth]

||Must've been afflicted with a pandemic or something||

[kind garden]

mmmm not so sure about that one wamly

[steel scroll]

worse.

[atomic plinth]

Murdered?

[steel scroll]

worse.

[kind garden]

what do you know about ||shamans|| wamly

[atomic plinth]

Oh the ||pot shamans||

Good lord, that's what those things were?

[kind garden]

did you ever go to Bonny Village

[atomic plinth]

Poor fuckers

I did, yeah, never explored it much though

[kind garden]

ah

[frozen olive]

there is a ghost guy around there

you should go talk to him

[atomic plinth]

Right

[frozen olive]

but yeah uh

||Marika bathed the village of her home in gold, knowing full well that there was no one to heal.||

[kind garden]

||Whip bestrewn with rotting, misshapen teeth. Filthy and seething with disease, the teeth are embedded in the whip and dose the victim with deadly poison upon each strike. As the wounds ripen they grow inflamed and ooze pus. The flesh of shamans was said to meld harmoniously with others.||
from the Tooth Whip weapon description

[frozen olive]

|| What was her prayer? Her wish, her confession? There is no one left to answer, and Marika never returned home again.||

[kind garden]

As an aside, we know who/what ||Grandmother|| is

[frozen olive]

yeah?

[kind garden]

||It's the tree that Marika's Braid was left in, and the skeleton inside of it. Grandmother was a shaman who grafted herself into the tree-hollow.||

[frail ferry]

yeah backhand blades are fun

[atomic plinth]

...finding a lot of messages of "teacher ahead" near a ||tree sentinel|| I just killed, did I fuck up

[frozen olive]

not to my knowledge

[umbral portal]

Nope

[granite pawn]

hey so this dlc is kicking my ass and im so in love with it

[mellow silo]

Probably just a reference to the first guy

[frozen olive]

this? (story spoilers)

[granite pawn]

climbed up some sort of tower town and the boss at the top was insane-looking and beat the shit out of me and it's so nice to get back to what elden ring is all about

cause i get to run around the world and look for a solution to that problem :)

[kind garden]

aye, but to be fair I did apparently ||hallucinate the skeleton? I might be crazy||

[frozen olive]

||there was no skeleton inside the tree||

||that i could see||

[old brook]

||Marika has scars in the first trailer. Little, misshapen circles. teethlike|| - Marika spoilies.

[kind garden]

||no yeah I done think I've lost my mind, I remembered there being a skellybob or something in there||

[frozen olive]

||i've seen this mentioned before yeah, that is probably a result of a tooth whip||

[mellow silo]

Time to ||beat the game with that weapon as a gigantic middle finger||

[frozen olive]

i fucking HATE ||the divine bird and divine beast warriors||

fuck em

[frail ferry]

alright just speedran millicents quest for the insignia

now the run can begin

:(

let me hug her fromsoft

[frail sky]

Bonny Village: ||oh hey another Jarburg, this should be fu- oh no||

||So this entire village and the shamans within were all slaughtered to make jar innards then||

[umbral portal]

||THE JARS WERE PEOPLE||

[frozen olive]

i have a meme for this

[frail ferry]

"oh god there is nothing bon magnifique about this place"

[umbral portal]

||Bonny village is the slaughterers, I think||

||Shaman Village is elsewhere||

[tropic stream]

I do wonder if light greatsword is a mistranslation from English to Japanese and back to English of longsword

[frozen olive]

Michael Zaki strikes again

[frail sky]

||I mean we already knew that, I just kinda assumed they were using already available corpses||

[umbral portal]

Also on that note ||Are Shamans and Numens the same thing? Cause Marika is a Numen||

[mellow silo]

CURSE YOU ZAKI!!!

[frozen olive]

||the assumption is yes but the shamans could also be a culture||

[umbral portal]

True

[old brook]

Also explains ||Why the Golden Children do the grafting thing||

[frail sky]

||…I have a gesture called “o mother” now. And according to the messages nearby it opens a secret path somewhere||

[frozen olive]

||since Shamans are specifically noted to have meldable flesh and Grafting came from the Golden Lineage, i have to assume the Numen and Shamans are one and the same||

[kind garden]

||They are, yes, Marika is of Numen stock and she is a Shaman||

[mellow silo]

Its a surprise tool to help us later

[old brook]

Still not sure what the Black Knives are about

( Group, not Knives Themselves )

[frozen olive]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOyP6BAPbrM||

THAT'S MY GOAT

THE KING OF SHIT

[frail ferry]

knife crime

[frozen olive]

||CURSE YOU BAYLE!||

[umbral portal]

||Keep an eye out||

[frozen olive]

||I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE||

||WITH A HAIL OF HARPOONS||

[golden pond]

||yeah no i cba with final boss||

[frozen olive]

||WITH EVERY LAST DROP OF MY BEING||

[golden pond]

||god forbid i do anything past walking into the arena||

[frozen olive]

||shield||

[kind garden]

||the Black Knives are Numen relatives of Marika who I'm not entirely clear on their motives, either they were following Marika's bidding to assist Ranni and then turned on her associates for reasons? or Ranni somehow convinced them to kill Godwyn and then they went "wait what" and realized she was playing them? or something else||

[golden pond]

||chug a physick? jump at me. summon an ash, jump at me. cast terra magica? cancel anything he does, jump at me||

[frozen olive]

||he literally does the exact same move every single time you start pretty much||

[golden pond]

||god forbid it's 2nd phase and i step away for 2 seconds whiel doing 0 damage netire fight, i'm now the prime target and he does not give a fuck about anything||

[frozen olive]

||just chug physick outside the boss fog and dodge the drill man move, it has extremely generous dodge timing||

[golden pond]

||He did not do drill when i chugged physick outside and went in||

[frozen olive]

||also you'll want to grab some kind of status effect ie. Bleed, Cold, Rot||

[golden pond]

||and that's not my issue||

[kind garden]

||Sometimes he opts for Lion Claw instead||

[golden pond]

Bestie

I have al the status effects i need

I cannot do anything

Because i cannot press anything but left stick

[frozen olive]

||yeah i've seen that too, he mostly does the drill||

[golden pond]

and dodge

[mellow silo]

Bayle is the true Griffith of Elden Ring

[umbral portal]

No he's Mobey Dick

[golden pond]

i'll just come back later with 20 blessign and throw moons at him

[frozen olive]

sounds like a plan i suppose

still rec a ||shield||

||i used the Haligtree Crest Greatshield, if you put holy infusion on it you can literally face tank any of his attacks||

[golden pond]

ngl

||blocking hte entire fight instead of running aroudn and learning dodge timings sounds even more boring||

[frozen olive]

fair

i mostly had it for the ||big ass t-pose explosion he does to start phase 2 usually||

[golden pond]

||you can jump it||

[frozen olive]

||you can literally just eat the hit with a shield and take zero damage||

[frozen olive]

fair enough

[golden pond]

watched an rl1 0 blessing no damage run

walks up, jumps

lmao

[frozen olive]

Ongbal...

Ongbal found the skill solution

[golden pond]

i just cba to do anything but overlevel and just chuck 5k damage moons at things

cause my adhd ass will never learn anythign

[frozen olive]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

can't say much to help them

i did some Jolly Co-operation for my first win

then i tried some wacky builds and managed to defeat it easily

[mellow silo]

I'm gonna go beat up Bayle, he's gonna be EZ (coping)

[vivid spire]

Sigh

[frozen olive]

||Bayle is a very fun fight, remember to summon Igon :)||

[vivid spire]

Ok ||Gaius||

Also

If my twin axes aren’t optimized

What should I do

Given that knights spear deals much more damage

[frozen olive]

could focus on spellcasting

will be hard tho

you need good aggro summon for that i've found

[mellow silo]

Give up the axes to get heavier armor, spellcast more?

[old brook]

see, i find fun sneaking in stupid lengthy cast times in between boss nonsense

[glossy delta]

||The lion warriors in the last area are such a crazy pain in the dick its nuts||
||I actively stealthed by the last two||

[frozen olive]

there is a ||new talisman that increases cast speed even further|| which i have been using

[old brook]

There's always that one move that can be Aeonia'd with only a massive chance to get countersmacked

[frozen olive]

||i literally just ran past them||

i could NOT be bothered

[mellow silo]

I summoned to beat the hell out of em, thinking they wouldn't respawn

[old brook]

Place is full of dual-wielding Gundyrs

[mellow silo]

Bayle kicking my ass, I can hardly get a few hits off

[old brook]

You should start a lifelong quest of vengeance toward him, it's worked out a couple times

[vivid spire]

That’s not working

While the spells do more damage..

It’s snake twink.

[atomic plinth]

BWUH

[vivid spire]

Hmmm

[mellow silo]

Yup

[vivid spire]

How could I optimize the twin axe damages

[umbral portal]

Banished to the void

[mellow silo]

Have fun getting

Bonny Gaol
Messages for the rest of your life

[frozen olive]

lightning charm and more scaling with its stats

[mellow silo]

Got him to half!

Somehow. I was barely surviving lmao

Igon and Mimic were the true power, I was just a punching bag

[frozen olive]

i truly HATE ||the divine beast dudes||

gods they fucking suck

fucking refuse to drop the item i want

[kind garden]

What are you tryna get

[frail ferry]

wow started up a new run and already found a new area

elden ring moment

[frozen olive]

||Divine Beast Helm||

doing a storm sorceror type build

[kind garden]

I’ll trade you one late tonight, I have a spare

[modest berry]

the little white beetle and the +arcane charm helped me get their stuff but yeah they are a little annoying to farm

[kind garden]

Currently heading to a SF tournament tho

[frozen olive]

fucking finally

i got it

jfc

[kind garden]

Now enjoy getting the chestpiece

[frozen olive]

i got fucking three of it while trying to get the head

bastard enemy

[kind garden]

||There are no leggings or gauntlets btw found that out the hard way||

[frozen olive]

well this is horrifying (quest spoilers)

[kind garden]

It was even worse when ||it was actively being used|| tbh

[frozen olive]

true

[frail sky]

Glad to see at least one other person is as fed up with "try rump/try finger" messages as I am (technically cathedral of manus metyr spoilers I guess?)

[frozen olive]

going for a fai dex build

[golden pond]

||so dlc just abruptly ends after that fight?||

[kind garden]

You get a cutscene

[tropic stream]

Oh boy here I go killin' ||magic plants|| again

[kind garden]

Same shit, different day, the more things change in the Lands of Shadow the more they’re exactly the same as the Lands Between

[frozen olive]

Windwalker Freya, divine storm dancer

[frail sky]

Cathedral of Manus: ||oh so that’s what the weird finger place completely devoid of anything useful was for, it was so I could help this creepy old man||

[kind garden]

Lol

[golden pond]

|| ||

[frail sky]

||ngl I was expecting it to summon a boss given you can summon spirits there||

[golden pond]

||you can summon spirits for small camps as well, it's not always boss stuff||

[frail sky]

Shadow Keep church district: ||I mean I know which one he wants but I'm not sure which one I want||

[modest berry]

spoilers, ||one gives his weapon the other him as a spirit summon||

||occulation and grace respectively||

[frail sky]

||That is quite the sword||

[vivid spire]

Welcome

[frozen olive]

honestly i don't actually think the dex is helping at all but i'm going for it

[frail sky]

Cathedral of Manus: ||this is the edgiest character in the game||

[frozen olive]

i'm going for a ||Divine Beast Dancing Lion|| build

[golden pond]

to be completely fair

That is a very cool set and it passes the cool test

now this npc

||Also, Multilayered Rings of Light.... That spell got you standing like||

[junior spade]

new character is now Dripped Out for their punching times

[frozen olive]

ok i've got it

got the setup

i really need to invest more points into mind huh

ok there we go

[atomic plinth]

...how do I get down here?

[frozen olive]

i am become ||Divine Beast Dancing Warrior||

invade
immediately roll off a ledge
💀

[tropic stream]

Have you tried Rellana's trousers with the warrior set?

[junior spade]

i like shoes

[tropic stream]

fair

[junior spade]

oh wait rellana, this is a new game character LOL

[frozen olive]

invaded and got attacked by three people immediately, lovely

ok 2v1 this time

[mellow silo]

Go through the Dragon Pit dungeon

[frozen olive]

but these people were respectful at least

i am the elementalist

[frail ferry]

now for boomerang

[vivid spire]

Yall

How do I make lightning work

My faith dex build seems borked as shit

[frail ferry]

gravel catalyst?

[frozen olive]

gravel catalyst is best for lightning

[vivid spire]

50 Fai dex but Messmer is tearing me apart

And the death knight axes

Shouldn’t they scale with lighting

60 vigor.. maybe I need better armor?

Or maybe go back to black knife?

[frail sky]

Aren’t they more of a str/fai weapon?

Or does the dex scaling on them boost both the physical and lightning damage?

[tropic stream]

I did actually mean Rennala lmao

[vivid spire]

Unsure

[trail sail]

They're more Strength scaling than Dex, ending on C Str, D Dex, C Fai

[vivid spire]

Oh

So should I get golden halberd or uhh

Black knife

[frail sky]

Golden halberd is also strength

[wild sierra]

I was a huge fan of the golden halberd... as a strength character yeah 😅

[feral linden]

there was like, a follow up post that showed that Azula blocked the boomerang first before everything else because it was the closest to her and would have hit her first before everything else, meaning that she would have taken all four elements to the face if she didn't, but i digress

[frail sky]

I think one of the elden beast weapons is dex/fai

[tropic stream]

||Rakshasa|| continues to be one of the bosses of all time

Love insanely long reach in a tiny ass room and high poise

Fucking hell

[trail sail]

Honestly if you're at Messmer already, I'd encourage you to try and look for ||The coffin in Shadow Keep, which, while it'll take a bit, eventually leads to a really good Great Spear that has A Faith scaling and D Dex||

[vivid spire]

Is it the ||Inquisitor Greatspear||

[trail sail]

||Yes||

||The Barbed Staff-Spear, in particular||

[vivid spire]

Ooh ok

[golden pond]

Ngl
I used a great katana on him and he kept folding

[frozen olive]

i threw some lightning

unironically just chucking some ||Knights lightning spear|| and moving out of reach

[golden pond]

Also got the int sword

Kinda depressing damage

You can do safer hits for the same damage by just using R1

[glossy delta]

I didnt actually find ||Rakshasa's|| hyper armor all that crazy
I was using Bloody Helice and just clowned him with Dynast's Finesse

[vestal night]

I just hit them with Moonveil repeatedly

[trail sail]

||Rakshasa's Ash of War thing, they always use that three times then there's a huge opening at the end, I mostly abused that timing||

[atomic plinth]

...man, why did FromSoft have to ||put Senessax in a giant pool of water||

[frozen olive]

gods only fucking know

if it makes you feel any better

[frail ferry]

cause fuck you

the motto of fromsoft

[frozen olive]

||Senessax only drops two max level stones and nothing else||

[frail ferry]

i mena thats not bad

[frozen olive]

||and you can 1000% just run past and skip Senessax entirely||

[umbral portal]

||Somber Anceint Dragon stones are pretty nice ngl||

[frozen olive]

||i shouldn't have written lvl 10, you get one somber and one normal||

[atomic plinth]

Oh I know, why I'm fighting him

I need that somber ancient stone

[frozen olive]

aight

[frail ferry]

using the dragon hunter blade?\

[glossy delta]

So fun fact
||I'm like 90% certain Senessax just has special properties on his slams||
||I lure him to the shore every time and he still does the lightning wave on all his attacks||

[frozen olive]

that's some bullshit

[frail ferry]

i think its just all coded as water

[frozen olive]

honestly my friend killed ||Senessax and only managed it with Scarlet rot and waiting, shit sucks||

[glossy delta]

||He's an Ancient Dragon+ like how the Jagged Peak Drakes are Lesser Dragon+||

[atomic plinth]

He's

Not Great

[frail ferry]

apply dragon blade WA to opponents forehead

is a reliable solution

[atomic plinth]

But I want my Lusat staff to get to +10

...I feel kinda silly for using Azur's for so long now

[grave plinth]

the fifth element

[frail ferry]

min that max

[mellow silo]

God DAMN the (late game spoilers) ||Leda fight is sick as hell. I was a summon along with another player, Thollier, and Ansbach, vs Freyja, Moore, Hornsent, Dane, and Leda. It was WAR, and also went ridiculously hard||

[frozen olive]

yeah that does go hard asf

[frail ferry]

gang warfare

i brought my boy taylew

[atomic plinth]

Got him

[mellow silo]

||Are there ever any more characters in the same space, throughout all of souls? Seemed ridiculous to get that many in one spot when normally the limit is like 4||

[atomic plinth]

...god

Loretta's Mastery FUCKS

Great spell

...tbh I should really be casting more, even just my basic Comet is doing a shitton of damage

[frail ferry]

smoking that scadu pack

[atomic plinth]

...should probably get the Carian sceptre actually...

Should I?

Or is Lusat's better?

[frozen olive]

how much int do you have

[tropic stream]

Lusat's is...

a funny beast

[atomic plinth]

63?

No, 64

[frozen olive]

Prolly worth getting the Carian Regal Scepter then

Lusats is ok but it's 10% damage for 1.5x the spell cost which is generally not worth it imo

[atomic plinth]

It does seem to have higher scaling than the Carian scepter at +10

[frozen olive]

Your total damage output will not increase with Lusats, only burst

[atomic plinth]

Good 30 points of difference

[frozen olive]

Because you pay so much extra fp you don't really get as much out of it

Go with what you want

[atomic plinth]

I can just go kill that other death dragon later for one last somber stone

[modest berry]

ooh just had an idea, endgame npc item spoiler|| ledas sword, with offhand frost or bleed sounds goood if im understanding how it works right ||

[frozen olive]

Not my build, not my problem, but i don't think Lusats is worth it personally

[atomic plinth]

I'll go for Carian then

See if I like it, and if not, oh well, there's still one more somber ancient I can get

[frozen olive]

My int caster was sitting at 70 int 50 fai so i was using Carian Regal Scepter

[frail sky]

Fog rift catacombs: ||I think I found where I need to bring the sword||

[glossy delta]

Perhaps

[frail sky]

||WHAT||

[frozen olive]

:)

||There is another altar by the way||

||I'm sure you can imagine what it does||

[atomic plinth]

||At the Jagged Peak rn||

[frail sky]

||More of a str/fai weapon than pure faith one I guess||

[atomic plinth]

||What the FUCK kind of dragon is living here, holy shit dude||

||Motherfucker's gotta be enormous||

[frozen olive]

:)

[frail sky]

:)

[frozen olive]

You'll see

[tropic stream]

I love how Tiche does a whole acrobatics routine while I'm getting ||Horseback Orphan's|| cleaver shoved up my ass

SHANK HIM!

XD

[atomic plinth]

Looking forward to it, this is gonna be a SPECTACLE

...oh my god

||THEY ADDED THE OLD DRAGON STONES BACK||

FUCK YEAH

[tropic stream]

||Thiollier|| is such a pathetic little ass in combat, fuck lol

[frail sky]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvYApd_X3aU||

[tropic stream]

Like I recognize I'm tilted but also fucking hell

XD

[atomic plinth]

Environmental storytelling at its finest

[frozen olive]

That video never fails to get me laughing

Gods it's so good

[frozen olive]

To be entirely fair, ||Thiollier tells you the first time you meet him that he is soggy and pathetic||

||He explicitly mentions that he is physically weak and not that smart||

[atomic plinth]

GNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

God I love Pruld

[wild sierra]

||oi'm weak as a kitten... and thick as two planks too...||

[frozen olive]

It's perfect

[vivid spire]

He’s kinda cute

[frozen olive]

You're not wrong

[atomic plinth]

||Got to Bayle the Dread||

||Oh my GOD he's SO FUCKING COOOOOOOOOOOOOOL||

[tropic stream]

fair lol

[frozen olive]

||now summon Igon||

[glossy delta]

Thiollier is my little (side quest and final boss spoilers) ||lean addict, he saved the Radahn fight for me||

[tropic stream]

He's cute in the pathetic wet puppy that would surely die if you didn't feed it way

[frozen olive]

||Igons summoning sign is to the left of the entrance to the fight||

||summoning Igon is obligatory||

[tropic stream]

||Also btw what's the sign Thiollier's quest is done? rn he's just writhing on the ground going "A-Ah..."||

||I was able to pass on Trina's words a second time tho||

[frozen olive]

||He's too cool not to summon and he doesn't make the boss harder||

[glossy delta]

||You are pretty much good to proceed now||

[tropic stream]

||grape||

||How do I get the pretty little flower headgear XD||

[frozen olive]

||Later||

[glossy delta]

||Finish the DLC 😭||

[frozen olive]

||You must construct additional pylons(progress)||

[tropic stream]

||Fugg||

[frozen olive]

||Thiollier is cool but Igon the Drake Warrior is my scrunkly for the DLC||

||He has the best voice acting in the whole thing imo, genuinely made the Bayle fight 10x cooler||

[tropic stream]

||He's literally Trashcan Dragon Ahab, what's not to like?||

[vivid spire]

True

[vivid spire]

Hmm

Are there any masks like rulers mask to raise faith

[tropic stream]

The Corpse Imp Head

[vivid spire]

Oh

Don’t like the looks

[granite pawn]

Haligtree Soldier and Knight Helms both boost faith

[atomic plinth]

My opinion of Bayle is very quickly waning

[granite pawn]

Also, the Sacred Crown helm and Greathood

[atomic plinth]

||Yeah, sure, let's make the crippled dragon the size of a house move fast as shit, makes total sense||

[granite pawn]

The knight helm and greathood give a whole +2 bonus, but the hood comes with a detriment to HP

but also boost intelligence too

[atomic plinth]

Still cool, just not very fun

[vivid spire]

Oh yeah

[granite pawn]

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Faith scrolling down on this page will give a list of all equipables that boost faith, but watch out for spoilers.

[frozen olive]

||Take a look at Bayles neck if you have the opportunity||

[atomic plinth]

||What, is it a weak spot?||

[frozen olive]

||Not particularly, that would be his head, but there is something interesting to see||

[tropic stream]

God

I still have to ||kill Gaius||

Pray for me

[frozen olive]

||If you want an edge up on Bayle and have the build for it, i rec Ancient Dragon-Man's Dragon Hunter Katana||

||It do be hunting dragons||

[atomic plinth]

||ARE THOSE FUCKING PLACIDUSAX'S HEADS||

||WHAT THE FUCK WAS THIS DRAGON ON HOLY SHIT||

[tropic stream]

||There ya go||

[frozen olive]

||I did tell you that there was something interesting on Bayles neck :)||

[mellow silo]

Gonna do the sword quest

So I suppose I'll need to track one down...

[tropic stream]

I think I've moidered every remembrance boss in the dlc save for ||Radahn, Midra, Gaius, and Bayle||

[mellow silo]

I've got ||Radahn, Bayle, Metyr, and Scathutree Avatar||

[tropic stream]

The count is 10, and I've killed ||Rellana, Metyr, Messmer, Dancing Lion, Putrescent Knight, and the Scadutree Avatar||

[atomic plinth]

||Holy shit, Bayle is one of my favorite boss fights ever||

||Such a cinematic fight||

[tropic stream]

||Scadutree is easy as fuck, just blast it in the face with Flame Fall Upon Them||

[modest berry]

theres one i dont see here with a rememberance ||romina? ||

[mellow silo]

Can I get a hint on how to solve the Ruin of Unte puzzle?

How get in

[modest berry]

have you found any notes on how to defeat the golems with certain items?

[tropic stream]

||Oh she's been sprayed with Raid.||

[frozen olive]

I have killed every boss and all of them fuck

[atomic plinth]

Which should I go for?

[mellow silo]

What the fuck ||surprise wickermen??||

[frozen olive]

Well, except ||technically Senessax but Senessas drops nothing except smithing stones and can fuck off to hell||

[glossy delta]

||Flame lightning is decent for getting the drop on peeps, its basically a stronger dragonclaw||
||But tbh neither is GREAT||

[mellow silo]

||please dont tell me I have to kill that thing, I have no idea how||

[glossy delta]

||Bayle's Tyranny is a giant explosion||

[obtuse halo]

I went for the former but didn't use it lol

because i'm not on an arcane build this time

[atomic plinth]

Well I know what I want

[modest berry]

and alternately if you just want the answer, ||throwing a hefty furnace pot into the bowl of the wickerman in front of the door||

[mellow silo]

Nope

No clue on how to kill em

[obtuse halo]

but also from what I've heard ||Flame Lightning doesn't have yes hyperarmor and is therefore worse dragonmaw :P||

[modest berry]

well to kill them in general you have to just ||hit the feet until they get stance broken 3 times sort of leaning then they fall over and you can critical them|| its tedious and obnoxious

[frozen olive]

||You need 50 arcane to cast the blasted things so my faith build was cursed to never use them||

[obtuse halo]

Yeah I figured out you could do it a lot faster with Pest Threads lmao

[modest berry]

however regarding the unte ruin puzzle|| theres a note elsewhere in the game that details a connection between them and hefty furnace pots and thats how you wake that one blocking the ruins up ||

[obtuse halo]

Yeah I tried ||throwing fire pots in there to no avail. I've gathered you need something bigger but hell if I know where to find the recipe||

[mellow silo]

I was just wandering around and a random one spawned on me. Is killing it part of the puzzle?

Earlier I ||threw a fire pot in, nothing happened. But that was hours ago||

[modest berry]

this isnt much of a spoiler, the crafting recipe is in the first ruins you go into in the dlc if i remember correctly. scorched ruins

[mellow silo]

And now ||I got killed by it, and it's just gone. Disappeared apparently||

[modest berry]

||only the one lying in front of the church door is part of the puzzle ||

[mellow silo]

Aand I got killed by the flame laser

God

Welp I got it

Omg they said the thing

[proven horizon]

The scadu of the erdtree

[real shadow]

Watching Max fight ||Messmer|| gives me more appreciation for the boss, now that I'm not the one getting tilted.

[proven horizon]

They're a really cool fight, very stylish

[real shadow]

Yeah, and the moves are honestly a lot more rollable than it felt like.

The grab is still horseshit.

[atomic plinth]

God I hate the equip load system

Not its existence, mind, but its implementation

Can't equip shit unless you dump into vigor

[real shadow]

Oh dangit you shoulda kept it as quip I was gonna do a funny

[proven horizon]

It's endurance which governs equip load

It also gives stamina, so it's rarely a bad stat to invest in

[atomic plinth]

Do a funny anyway

[atomic plinth]

Endurance is what I meant, sorry

[stone cove]

It's badly imoplemented, yes.

[proven horizon]

I don;t really mind it in most cases, I tend to lean into end a fair bit in my builds, though

[real shadow]

"Quip load? That's how I got kids!"

[stone cove]

It should bea static value of you have 100 equip load

[real shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-rodney-dangerfield-gif-10919703

[stone cove]

WIth clear breakpoints

and light/medium/heavy rolls should all have reasons you'd pick them

[proven horizon]

Eh, I think the difference between light and medium rolling is already pretty good, I've used both to a decent degree. Never heavy rolled, though

[atomic plinth]

Ayyyyyyyyyyyy

[stone cove]

I'd do it so light roll is a short bloodborn dash - good iframes, but doesnt move you very far. And ofc, you have to have low res to use it.

Medium roll would stay the same, maybe get a bit more distance.

HEavy would loose fat roll, become a dash with no iframes at all - b ut with massive damage resistance (possibly based on your armor). I'd go as far as incorpating your shield if you have one and having the character literally lean into it

[atomic plinth]

Agreed, that's my biggest gripe with the system as a whole

[stone cove]

I'd still elt stuffl ike Great Jar/Erd Tree faovr incrfease equip load, i'd just make them give flat values and it be a bit more clear

because build options are good, and those would make stuff more complicated

B ut i am also the crazy person who would absoloteuy yeet vigor as a stat from the game, because it's bad.

(I'd just tie max hp to your level, and have it have a reasonble curve and evneutal tialing off)

Because right now all vigor is is "Do you have 60, y/n?"

[proven horizon]

You absolutely don't need 60 vigour

[stone cove]

It's not an interesting choice is the thing

DO you need it? No. Does it massively smooth the game out for 99% of players? Yes.

[atomic plinth]

...oh that's not promising at all

[mellow silo]

Found the ||Laser Light Sword||

[atomic plinth]

The WHAT

[proven horizon]

That said the vigour scaling is a bit wack

[stone cove]

Like, i think you can argue that the stat system in genral in elden ring is a bit iffy, but it does actually work out pretty decently to mprovide a lot of interesting choices and a very good leveling experience

where you feel progressively more and more powerful, which fits with the storytelling the games are doing

[atomic plinth]

OH FUCK OFF EA

[stone cove]

but Vigor is just a boring, boring stat where for 90% of players, the correct choice is "Get your weapon miniums, then level to 60 vigor"

[atomic plinth]

Fuckin minimized my Elden Ring window to ask me to sign in

Wish I hadn't downloaded Titanfall 2, can't get this software off my bloody PC

[proven horizon]

If it was evened out a bit I think that'd be better, the fact early levels end up giving 20 or so health and the 25-40 point can go up to 47 per level is a bit silly

[old brook]

Just remove vigor entirely, everyone can get hit twice and then they die

the trick is to just get hit the once

this will be good and people will like it especially heavy armor folks

[proven horizon]

I do like the fantasy of devoting a fair bit to vigour/endurance, getting really beefy through health and armour and then topping that off with some defensive miracles. You do get really tough through that

[atomic plinth]

Twice? What is this, a game for CASUALS? You get hit once and you're out.

[old brook]

See, I like the flavor of 40 vigor in the DLC

[atomic plinth]

Forget that, you just die rightaway upon spawning in! No handholding here!

[old brook]

if a dragon the size of a castle hit me i'd probably also die

[atomic plinth]

This is true

If 90% of the shit in this game hit me I'd be dead

Like a regular soldier with a sword

Or a dragon the size of a building summoning arcane lightning

[proven horizon]

Even with 40 vigour, some good armour and talismans means very few things will twoshot you (obviously depends on your scadu level)

[old brook]

Well yeah, but if Messmer grabs me it should be felt

[proven horizon]

Oh yeah, definitely

[old brook]

Maybe one of the least respectful animations in the game

[proven horizon]

I actually never got grabbed by messmer, I feel like I'm missing out

[real shadow]

Only cuz he got those yaoi hands

[old brook]

he truly is a Shaped being

[proven horizon]

Wow yeah I'm definitely missing out

[real shadow]

You're not missing out on probably dying in one attack because that grab is some horseshit.

[old brook]

it truly feels like he waits for you to dodge

[proven horizon]

He's actually giving you the opportunity to get a hit in before dodging

[real shadow]

I've gotten grabbed offscreen while I thought he was focusing on the mimic tear.

[atomic plinth]

I should go try and fight him now that my scadutree level is 11

...unless that's not high enough

What on earth is this Bloodborne lookin headass doing in Elden Ring

[real shadow]

I beat him at 12 but it still took half the night.

He hits like a truck.

[proven horizon]

I beat him at 8 scadus, really depends how locked in you are to his moveset

[old brook]

his 'waterfowl dance' type flurry deal at least has the decency of a windup and obvious hitboxes

[proven horizon]

I did also summon hornsent, to be fair

[proven horizon]

His combo move definitely isn't as bad as waterfowl. That move requires some very careful dodging to avoid

I still didn't have it 100% down when I beat her

[stone cove]

I oine shot messmer was just like "huh, that was neat!" >.>

[proven horizon]

lol

[old brook]

Zombie you're playing some sort of different game with your Messmer/Gaius experiences

[stone cove]

Wiiiiiiiing staaaaaaaaanceeee

But also, yes

i am convicned i am

[real shadow]

Malenia has the bonus of "you can stagger her" whereas that is...a lot harder with Messsmer.

[stone cove]

I am also convicne that a chunk of iti s probably ocmputer perfomance related

[old brook]

it seems like you're 800% more durable than most people

[stone cove]

and i have a really grunty computer

[proven horizon]

Only took me 5 attempts on messmer, gaius was a nasty roadblock though

[old brook]

i haven't had performance issues in fights!

the only time i get anything is when Rauh tries to load horizons real fast

or Nearing the Keep

that sudden 'OH GOD, LOADING THE CASTLE'

[stone cove]

I have 55 vigor and gleefully equip lots of defence talismans and dont equip stuff like soreseal

And i'm wearing very heavy armor while medium rolling

It really helps you eat hits

[proven horizon]

Yeah, soreseals and the scorpion charm talismans do a lot to make you more fragile

[old brook]

technically only my armor makes me take more damage now

and that might just be poorly translated

[stone cove]

If it's Rakasha? It does

but it's like 10% if you wear the entire set.

And the armor itself is good medium armor

[old brook]

i'm at 6% thens

[frail ferry]

i never posture broke the final boss

i just realized

[proven horizon]

Same here, lol

[old brook]

They need to give ||Midra|| more poise, it's sad what bonks can do to him

[proven horizon]

That said, claw weapons probably have some of the lowest poise damage in the game

[old brook]

I'm loving how much poise clocking someone with the Dryleaf R2 seems to do

might just be you can get a charge attack in rq

[glossy delta]

I'm glad peeps are likin the 'unarmed' options in this
I'm still having trouble with them but the Beast Claws feel pretty nice with Raging Beast

[frail sky]

I can't believe it's more shadow keep spoilers! ||Oh that is evil, upside-down bat statues in the same area where bats are hanging from the rafters||

[atomic plinth]

That part was funny in how trollish they were

[proven horizon]

Oh yeah that area's fun for that

[atomic plinth]

Really channeled their inner gremlins for that

[old brook]

That place really made me appreciate Disc of Light

few too many faith spells make you take the Big Steppy

[atomic plinth]

...channeled it a little too hard with that fire knight that Fus Roh Dah-s you, but aside from that

[frail ferry]

they were doing this shit the ENTIRE game

[stone cove]

my new dlc run i'm doing beast claws... and chicken wing

my character contiunes multidues.

[proven horizon]

tfw I used vanilla weapons almost the entire dlc :v

[frail sky]

Disc of Light is unironically one of the best spells in the game, it does good damage for basically no fp and it pretty frequently hits twice

[stone cove]

Both occult, though i'm pretty sure that Beast Claws are better with like str or quality and then just using bloodflame blade on them

[glossy delta]

Personally I have trouble with really short ranged weapons, as well as ones with low stagger, so the fist/claw/martial arts/beast claw super complex is troublesome
Though the latter two have Arts that make up for that

[stone cove]

And it's got relaly fast range

[frail ferry]

and the erdtree shield WA

three hit them hoes

[stone cove]

Part of the problem they have is they want to huits lots, and this is not a game that encoruages hit lots

[trail sail]

What is "chicken wing"

[frail sky]

||...speaking of evil||

[glossy delta]

Yeah, thats another issue, particularly with the beast claws
They LOOK like really fast weapons but they PLAY like greatswords
Because you are locked into a full ass three hit combo once you hit R1

[proven horizon]

Eh, they're so fast that between boss attack combos, I could often get 2-3 light hits in. Paired with the double hitting nature of them, that stacks up rotten winged sword really fast

They even swing fast enough to hit bosses between hits with certain moves. They also build up status really quickly

[old brook]

Also the backstep attack is so good

[proven horizon]

I managed to poison the final boss 5 times with venemous fang where I struggled to do so even once with my serpentbone blade

[old brook]

They have tons of mobility

[modest berry]

the big blood fiends can drop the giant arm clubs they have which look like sauced wings an arc strenght weapon with an AOE heavy attack

[trail sail]

Oh those things

[frail ferry]

that backhand blade WA is so good

https://tenor.com/view/already-dead-gif-20369700

[atomic plinth]

||Fought the Lamenter||

||Very interesting mechanic with the "if you don't kill clones, you get stacks of a debuff that will kill you immediately when its maxed out", I really liked it||