Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[golden pond]

I JUST PULLED OF THE SICKEST FUCKING DODGE

||Putrescent knight threw floor fire on me and i mooned at the time so it made me float over it killed it with that moon||

god i love being able to use the vertical axis

[frozen olive]

Fucks me up that (boss spoiler) ||Putrescent knight was basically a pile of rotting corpses that drank St.Trinas gamer girl bath water and got some rest and decided to be her knight||

[mellow silo]

||calling it gamer girl bath water is the absolute worst thing you could have possibly done, what the fuck||

[frozen olive]

(Final boss spoilers) ||Clearly St.Trina's eepy charm outmatches any of Miquella The Kind's since she gained followers without mind controlling all of them for the consort plan like Miquella did with all his followers as well as most likely Mohg and Radahn himself||

[frozen olive]

||Drink deep and descend or some shit iunno||

[frozen olive]

||St.Trina is literally a flower whose nectar you are sipping on i don't think i'm mischaracterizing that tbh||

[golden pond]

ay yo

weapon spoiler ||Sword of darkness lowering holy resist and doing holy damage, goes hard||

[glossy delta]

||Its lean||
||Purple? Check||
||Makes you sleepy? Check||
||Is super dangerous? Check||
||Though on that note her two 'followers' were a pile of corpses and a lean addict so I can't say she's got a MUCH higher score||
||A C compared to Miquella's D-||

[frozen olive]

||Miquella gets an F for mind controlling everyone they meet||

||Their ONLY staunchly loyal follower is a homicidal maniac||

[frozen olive]

||I think it'shonestly impressive to gain loyalty from a rotting pile of corpses||

[steel scroll]

||and a badass monk||

[tropic stream]

location and boss spoilers ||is the only way to get over to where that golem killing Romina?||

[frozen olive]

||Domina?||

[steel scroll]

||Dominoes, saint of the bud...||

[tropic stream]

||Pizza shops delivering to high people be like||

[steel scroll]

||Romina is dominoes, Metyr is Guy Fieri. This bit sucks, I don't know where I'm going with it.||

[twilit path]

No, you can get there without any bosses

[tropic stream]

Fuck, I misspelled the name lol

[frozen olive]

||You don't need to fight any bosses to get there though||

[tropic stream]

||I did mean Romina Freyja xD||

[frozen olive]

Ahh

[kind garden]

||Metyr is the phone||

[twilit path]

It gives you (world enemy drop) ||his big fuckoff bow||

[kind garden]

||It’s how you contact Domino’s||

[golden pond]

i killed a big basket boy, woo!

[frail sky]

Belurat gaol ||I feel like this demi human is playing sekiro||
||Also this dungeon does not have any shortcuts does it ||

[tropic stream]

Howmst?

[twilit path]

Good question! I don't remember :)

[frail sky]

||And oh god the jar innards are horrible||

[tropic stream]

F*ck

[steel scroll]

||no, but you can run it real fast. and there's a stake by the boss dog||

[twilit path]

Glad I could help!

[tropic stream]

lol

[kind garden]

“30 minutes or it’s free? Excellent!”
||-Marika, ordering one Elden Beast||

[frail sky]

||He’s a spirit ash!? Well damn now I gotta use him||

[mellow silo]

(mid/endgame) Fuckin' ||BAAYLE!!!!!||

[golden pond]

||RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH||

[tropic stream]

||When you fight Dragon Satan with your friend with Tourette's||

[frail sky]

On an unrelated note, using incantations is starting to feel like cheating. And my weapons are starting to seem more like weapon arts with a bit of pointy metal attached

[mellow silo]

Dying repeatedly, beginning to understand ||Igon|| more and more

[frozen olive]

||CURSE YOU BAYLE!||

[frail sky]

Maybe I should respec to quality or something, it’s starting to feel like I don’t even need to learn boss patterns as long as I can find the right spell

[tropic stream]

Does anyone know how to get here?

[golden pond]

unironically

||I beat bayle with it on 1st try, lvl 4 blessing ||

[mellow silo]

Holy

Level FOUR!?!?!?

[golden pond]

yeah

[junior spade]

That may not last

[frail sky]

That seems like the exact opposite of a solution to my problem

[golden pond]

7% max hp when frostbite procs
increase all damage taken by 20%
moon also shreds 10% magic resist

[mellow silo]

Join me and Freyja in the FKGS Fan Club

[frail sky]

FKGS?

[kind garden]

Flame Knight Greatsword

[mellow silo]

Fire Knight Greatsword, from the ||Shadow Keep||

[vivid spire]

Yall

[mellow silo]

Aka the most drip ass sword of all time

[frail sky]

I don’t even know what that is yet

[vivid spire]

||Gaius|| is a fuck

[golden pond]

how so?

[mellow silo]

Youve beaten Rellana, right?

[golden pond]

oh i misread it

nvm

on a side note

[frail sky]

Technically yes, but then I immediately started exploring the starting area a ton

[mellow silo]

Shadow Keep is just past Rellana, it's a very cool place where nothing bad happens ever

[golden pond]

oh man

||i got both versions of the sheathed sword and god it feels wack||

[frail sky]

Hmm, once I find that I'll see if I like it

Until then I think I'm just gonna use the current build to kill radabeast (and godfrey (and gideon))

Why haven’t I done that yet

[mellow silo]

I still haven't beaten Malekith lol

[frail sky]

Also, belurat: ||that seems ominous||

[golden pond]

make sure to grab the holy whetblade before you kill malekith

[mellow silo]

Already grabbed it, don't worry

I'm probably gonna be up for summoning for a while, if any need my aid just ping me

[golden pond]

yeah okay

basket bois are not a threat anymore

[tropic stream]

I found it, I am a genius

[atomic jetty]

post shadow keep spoiler, also arachnophobia warning
||THEY COME IN FLYING VARIANTS, WHY||

[tropic stream]

Because Miyazaki wants to trigger us

[golden pond]

||YEAH, ACTUALLY FUCK TAHT||

[tropic stream]

The one consolation is their deadly allergy to lightning

[golden pond]

||i heard buzzing and immediately Alt F4'd, i am not dealing with buzzy bois||

[golden pond]

nah, we burrying these bitches deep, moon time

[twilit path]

They fly now??! ||They fly now.||

[grave plinth]

Cazadores

[vivid spire]

Yall

Should I

A: Kill ||Gaius||
B: Modded Minecraft

[golden pond]

mc

[twilit path]

B

[atomic jetty]

if youre not upset at trying a more, try a
otherwise b doesnt sound bad

[frail sky]

A crown is warranted with strength and I am very much lacking 😩
I’ve definitely gotten a lot worse with melee from relying on spells too much

[tropic stream]

Wow, boss spoilers ||Romina is... a thing.||

[umbral portal]

||She's a centipede scorption centaur thing||

[mellow silo]

You want help on Godfrey? I'm dueling with him too rn

He's such a fun fight I swear

[frail sky]

No thank you, I’m just trying to… relearn melee I guess

Also: milady seems weirdly weak to me, like it feels like it’s not much better than a straight sword despite its cool moveset

[glossy delta]

Its largely on par with a straightsword both power and speedwise basically yeah
Its got some advantages but they're a lil weird
Like 'the heavies are two hits so they tick up rotten sword and statuses way faster'

[tropic stream]

I think all the lgs' are also longer

[old brook]

Also 'Wing Stance in General'

[glossy delta]

Oh yes it can take wing stance, which is very potent

[frail sky]

Is it really that good?

[glossy delta]

The leaping heavy is ridiculously strong, especially if you use aforementioned heavies to tick up rotten sword first

[past shard]

The pretty high jump (of wing stance) gives new openings too

[old brook]

||Putrescent Knight||'s sweepy moveset hated it

Three of 'em and he's staggered

[frozen olive]

He remains the single coolest guy in Elden Ring imo

[mellow silo]

Aight ||Gaius|| time

[frozen olive]

Godfrey may have done as many atrocities as all the otver proboematic royals but he's just cooler, idk

[old brook]

Godfrey got mislead, he was told he could wrestle larger and larger things as long as he listened

[frozen olive]

He's the fight guy so him doing the war doesn't feel as objectionable as it does for me with Marika and Radagon

[mellow silo]

FUCK

This charge attack is such BS I swear

[frozen olive]

Not to downplay him participating in genocides and shit but i feel it's very much a thing of his nature and thus i find it less egregious

[mellow silo]

Torrent does not help much

[frozen olive]

Plus he loves his son

So like

Mega bonus points

[old brook]

I mean he cared like post-mortem

about one

Not enough to keep them from Sewer Life

[frozen olive]

He was exiled with literally all his warriors

[old brook]

I thought that was like way after

[frozen olive]

Mohg and Morgott had to have been born by then but i don't think he was out of their lives by choice

Not with how emotional he gets upon seeing Morgott again

[old brook]

Was probably just On the Front

[frozen olive]

The way he treats Morgott and the sheer level of emotion conveyed in his actions makes it hard for me to imagine he had anything to do with the sewer thing

[kind garden]

I mean, he probably did not believe in the same things Marika did

[frozen olive]

The way they make it seem

Marika literally just pointed him at things to kill untim there wasn't anything left to fight him

Then his grace vanished and Marika sent him and the Tarnished packing post-haste

[old brook]

I'm surprised he came back, wonder if it was more the tree burning or if he started seeing the grace again too

[mellow silo]

Anyone have tips for Gaius

Man is ramming my ass

[frozen olive]

Unfortunately nothing helpful

[frail sky]

Okay this play style is really fun

[wild sierra]

got the last boss down after about 3 hours, fun game

[real shadow]

See if you can't get him to stick to the left side of the door while you keep to the right of it. This worked for me as he'd spent a lot of time trying to charge or use his gravity attacks and just missing. Mimic kept him occupied.

[old brook]

That's part of the L Greatsword buff too, the moveset's just fun

[mellow silo]

Fuckin... I tried to summon my Mimic and get on torrent but nope, got hit, blew through my hardtear shield, and then the camera kept me locked up against the door until the charge decided to hit me again and instantly killed me

I can't even delay torrent because otherwise the charge hits me and kills me before I can do anything

[wild sierra]

bosses can be pretty mean about "giving you time to summon" yeah

[paper badge]

I'm a bit late to reply but

you don't fight boss hog for lore

you fight him for the 5 fuckin scadutree fragments in the area he's blocking off

[mellow silo]

Are summons even worth not having torrent?

[paper badge]

for what boss?

[mellow silo]

Wait a second... If I'm on torrent, are there any penalties to overloading the fuck out of my character?

[paper badge]

no

[mellow silo]

The Hog Riding Bastard

[paper badge]

unless torrent dies

[mellow silo]

Verdigris Time

[paper badge]

I fought him on foot with a human co-op partner

looked for another caster build

so we could wombo combo him with spells

[mellow silo]

What, did you just eat the charge?

[paper badge]

I dodged it

[mellow silo]

How

[paper badge]

same way you dodge like 90% of scary-ass attacks in this game

mostly dodge straight into it but like

a little off to the side

[mellow silo]

I gave it a dozen attempts on foot, could not dodge the thing even once

[paper badge]

and time it just right

could always slap bloodhound step on your weapon

best dodge in the game

[mellow silo]

Hmm. Now there's an idea

Is he weak to fire?

[paper badge]

idfk

I think that's what I used

but if you have knight's lightning spear maybe try that too

[mellow silo]

I do not have that

[twilit path]

When in doubt, GIANT SHIELD.

[mellow silo]

Death, again

[mellow silo]

Don't have the equipment load lol

[old brook]

Hey so yesterday when I mentioned outfits having different lore when you alter them, uh. ||High Priest Robe|| that's.. that's sure something

[mellow silo]

As it turns out, Bloodhound Step is also completely useless

[atomic plinth]

Considering switching to a blackflame build...

[mellow silo]

Don't have any larval tears left

[kind garden]

Blackflame eats bosses up

[mellow silo]

I'm stuck

[kind garden]

It’s brutal

[kind garden]

There are more in the DLC

[atomic plinth]

Would fit well with this fit

[kind garden]

Wait til nightfall

[mellow silo]

I already got that one

[kind garden]

There should be plural tears but I haven’t found a single one yet so idk

[mellow silo]

Unless I can figure out how to save edit, I am properly stuck

And the only way to avoid the charge is to sprint backwards in the other direction, so that's literally the only thing I have available to me

[twilit path]

The usual q, what's your scadutree level?

[mellow silo]

15

Normally I'd be ok with a hard boss, but this is just complete BS, the charge hitbox is almost literally unavoidable on foot

[old brook]

||I'M DEEPLY GLAD I FOUND THE IRISES BEFORE FIGHTING MESSMER|| Boss/Item Spoilers

[twilit path]

About in the right range then. Could probably squeeze one more out without fighting any other major bosses. I also very much didn't enjoy that boss if it makes you feel any better lmao

I can't imagine trying to dodge any of the crazy chains that he throws out. Big shield was only answer for me

Or being on torrent and jumping him

Which does work pretty well

[frail sky]

This is so much fun that I’m tempted to go to the haligtree and definitely not murder Millicent to make it even more powerful

[frail sky]

Ah that was meant to be a reply to this, thanks discord

[mellow silo]

Ok I managed to squeeze a Greatshield in with Great Jar Arsenal and Erdtree Favor 2, barely

Let's see how blocking goes

Aand instant death

The charge double hits, and the first is enough to break the shield

Meaning the second goes right through and gores me

Alright Ive had properly enough, I'm going to pretend this boss does not exist until it gets fixed by fromsoft

[junior spade]

It truly feels so good

Sekiro like but its just Milady as the only weapon

[junior spade]

I dont normally share too many of those "cool fromsoft clips" but

[umbral portal]

I'm hearing a common opinion that the final boss is the hardest boss in Elden Ring

[junior spade]

Spoilers: a minor dungeon/cave || https://vxtwitter.com/TAKO8ENSA/status/1805900540251132023?t=mIfxeZ9ajV56Wf-2QnsaPQ&s=19 ||

[umbral portal]

and one of the hardest bosses in FROM's catalog

[junior spade]

I would agree

[twilit path]

Completely reasonable plan I think. Opinions are gonna vary hugely, I personally thought some of the bosses weren't particularly fun or interesting to fight ||radahn and Gaius namely||. But some of the fights in the dlc were an absolute fuckin blast ||scadutree avatar and bayle||. Highs and lows.

Whoops that was supposed to be in response to Ballistic

[stone cove]

@mellow silo Gaius: Use ashes that let you gap close. a lot of attacks can just be juimped over. his charge can be rolled by rolling as he comes straight at you, yoiu just rol lthroiugh it

stick on him and he was pretty easy

Also: windy cracked tear for massive increases in equip laod lettign you light roll in heavy armor

T here's the new defelcting hardtear too

[junior spade]

Alright, what DLC weapons could be fun to do a new game in...

[wild sierra]

the perfume bottles are such a wild addition that I need to try on another run some time

[stone cove]

I'm planning on using the beast claws on my arcane character, because Occult beast claws with high arcane just seem.. really baller?

esp with the wepaon art being built for rapid attacks that'll stack status

[junior spade]

claws and perfumes are good ideas

very different playstyles from normal weapons

[old brook]

This fuckin ||Pig|| just pulled out a ||psycho crusher|| Shadow Keep Boss stuff

[stone cove]

Occult Beast Claws are 211 base with D/E/B Scaling (STr/dex/Arcane) and 38 base bleed

Cold Beast Claws are also interesting ,picking up BDC scaling with 105 Cold b uild up

[glossy delta]

I can rec the thrusting shields because as I've banged pots and pans about before, they play wildly different from most weapons
In fact, since I've already beaten the DLC with my quality char I've been thinking about taking my int character to the next NG early just to do early bosses again with the Carian shield

[stone cove]

Yeah, they're really good, the dueling shields

when i do my Dex/Int character she's just getting respeced to be all about that Shield stabbin life

[glossy delta]

Its amazing
You can really just slug it out with dudes

[dusty kraken]

Where is the carian dueling shield?

[stone cove]

They, both, annoyingly, are in Shadow Keep

(t bh i'm a bit low key mad about the lack of variety for the new weapons? Like it's nice everything got a good infuseable option, but i'd have liked to see a bit more weridness)

[dusty kraken]

Huh, I found the base one in the shadow keep but not the carian one

[stone cove]

The carian one needs the back entrance to shadow keep

[dusty kraken]

I'm sad about a lack of Holy Perfume Bottle 😛

Or like...we have St Trina in this one. Gimme a Sleepy Bottle so I can go about chloroforming people

Also: Sorry about bothering about this but - Would anyone be willing to meet up and trade a +0 fire perfume bottle for my +25 fire perfume bottle? I upgraded the bottle I wanted to give to my low level character but have remembered I can't actually...give that bottle to them since you can't give items more upgraded than the person already has.

[mellow silo]

Yeah I can do that in about a half hour ish, if you're still available at that point

[dusty kraken]

Yeah, I'll take my lunch break then (Working from home)

[frail sky]

I have no idea how item trading works in elden ring but sure!

[mellow silo]

o7

[frail sky]

Oh Ballistic’s got it, never mind then

[dusty kraken]

Thanks regardless!

[mellow silo]

Actually probably less than a half hour

I'll ping you when I'm available

[dusty kraken]

But yeah, you can go to an item and use 'leave' to put it on the ground for the other person to pick up.

[mellow silo]

DO NOT click "discard" though

[dusty kraken]

So my current plan is to just plonk the +25 and the ash of war down on the ground, let ballistic pick it up and then meet up with my other character and grab the +0 one and the ash. If that's cool?

[mellow silo]

Worst mistake of my life

Yeah that works perfectly

[dusty kraken]

Becuase the DLC is full of cool weapons I wish to beat up early bosses with 😛

And like, not even super powerful weapons. The character right now has the Dancing Blades and will soon have the Fancy Bottle

[mellow silo]

Just make sure your new character either has a Furled Finger Recipe or a Duelist Finger

[dusty kraken]

Got duelist!

[mellow silo]

Nice

I can drop a few runes if you want as well

[dusty kraken]

Hahah, I'll be fine on that front. My plan right now is more giving the character options than powerleveling them.

[mellow silo]

Aye

[stone cove]

@dusty kraken You can also just learn to use cheat engine, and it's very safe as long as item duping is all you're doing

it's what i do to setup characters these days

[mellow silo]

As a final thing, I can also mule armor if you want to start off with the drip

[glossy delta]

Its in the weird other half of shadow keep
Basically its never signposted but Shadow Keep is split into two halves that do not connect at all
There's Shadow Keep Proper->Specimen Storage, and then Shadow Keep Church District->Specimen Storage Back
You get to SKCD through uhhhhhhhh
The road of bridges that starts with Bonny Village

[junior spade]

||Actually, it is hinted at! ||

[mellow silo]

It's a one way connection

[dusty kraken]

Ironically: I actually found church district before shadow keep proper.

[mellow silo]

You can get from back section to main section, but not the other way

[glossy delta]

||Oh, is THAT what the note by the miquella cross in specimen storage is saying||

[junior spade]

||Ansbach's letter to Freyja mentions that there must be another way into the Church District, to help make you investigate further. ||

[dusty kraken]

As I was going 'Lets explore around before I go to that big obvious castle'

[stone cove]

Ansbach, best character

hoenstly genuinely a really well wrtitten character it's hard not to like

||Is he a blood cultist of a muderous cult? YOU BET. Is he a total bro about hte fact you killed his lord? You bet!||

[mellow silo]

You really denying Igon like that?

[stone cove]

Igon is good, but he's no ansbach.

Also, okay, From? I love you and all, but this is not okay. \

I just got the secret legendary Twinblade

and the route for that is....

It's some bullshit.

amusing bullshit

but also please have your level designer see at herapist

they have issues aroudn vertacility

and i'm concered for them.

[wild sierra]

which is funny because i went to church district explicitly to avoid going deeper into shadow keep and fighting messmer and eventually stumbled into messmer anyway because I didnt know that "specimen storage" is in fact the largest and main part of shadow keep and assumed it was a side area

Ansbach is a cool guy, ||I think the group encounter just before the last boss is the best they've ever executed one of those||

[glossy delta]

||The Miquella Maniacs Civil War is the best part of the entire DLC and its crazy||

[dusty kraken]

||I like our favourite lean addicted poisoner. He's a cool guy.||

[stone cove]

He needs a hug

like several hugs

and a good pep talk

[wild sierra]

||the starting concept of "these guys would never be working together in the first place if they weren't enchanted and immediately fracture when it wears off" is fun||

[stone cove]

Re: Thrusting shields, also know they have some really interesting AoW options.

Notably:

The Poison Flower Blooms Twice
Giant Hunt
Repeating Thrust
Blood Tax

[old brook]

Y'know ||Gauis|| I'm glad you're in hell actually

[mellow silo]

@dusty kraken I'm ready, meet at Church Of Elleh, code LANCER, drop a Duelist sign. I'll transfer whatever you want transferred to your other account, including that Firespark Perfume

[dusty kraken]

||To be fair, one of them is more to blame for it than others. 'Miquella, turn off my sociopathy inhibiters!'||

[stone cove]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-wheels-acceleracers-button-press-gif-25783707

[wild sierra]

you cant say that! he's ||an albinauric|| which gives him a free pass

[old brook]

I hope things get worse for him

[dusty kraken]

Okay. The character will be Izolda. Blonde with horns, should be pretty recognisable.

[mellow silo]

Sounds good, tell me when the sign is down

[dusty kraken]

Logging in now

[real shadow]

What gets me is that his ||grieves|| were on that mounted albinauric, not even a drop for defeating him.

Like was she holding on to them or something

[old brook]

||THREE GRAVITY ORBS IN A ROW FEELS UNFAIR, GAIUS||

[real shadow]

Was this a post-hookup thing

[dusty kraken]

Finger down!

[glossy delta]

||not sure why she had it but he assumedly physically could not wear them what with his ghost legs||

[real shadow]

It's not like she could wear them either!

[dusty kraken]

Alright, you summoned me?

[mellow silo]

Yup

Drop whatever you want transferred

[glossy delta]

True!

[mellow silo]

That all?

[kind garden]

LOL

[real shadow]

It's why I think (amusingly) that this was some hookup thing, like the equivalent of the GF stealing your hoodie.

[kind garden]

I've been doing hornsent stuff in pvp

[dusty kraken]

Yep!

[old brook]

aight i straightup hate this dude TO ELSEWHERE

[kind garden]

why does everyone want to gank onto a dude turning the room into a blender with Horn Calling: Storm with max storm buffs

like

just leave!

don't try to fight that!

[mellow silo]

Bit surprising tbh, usually when people ask me to mule stuff it includes armor

[dusty kraken]

And the other character is Allzia. Red dancer outfit.

[mellow silo]

Gotta have that drip

[stone cove]

I feel like i foguht a very different Gaius to everyone else

the way i see people talk about it

[dusty kraken]

I already got a friend to transfer the outfit but they had no bottle. XD

[mellow silo]

Ah, makes sense

[dusty kraken]

Sign down

[mellow silo]

Rolling Sparks, wasn't it?

[old brook]

It's just he's coming off of Messmer, a very fun fight, so it's sort of misery

And he's just a remix of a main boss, i'unno

[dusty kraken]

Yeah

[old brook]

I could deal with all the Nonsense Super Attacks but his 'I'm just going to swing 6-7 times in a row, and do that chain, 3-4 times in a row', isn't exciting

[dusty kraken]

ima beat the bosses in my fancy dancer dress

[old brook]

'pay attention to the ||boar head|| crammed halfway under the floor'

[wild sierra]

Her wolf was wearing them

[real shadow]

Oh that just makes it weirder.

[wild sierra]

He just sort of fell over to several charged heavies for me but that's been the story for a lot of the bosses
Feels like str/fai is just what the game wanted me to play sometimes, I have a hundred tools and can do anything

[old brook]

I don't have time for a charged heavy

he starts the fight instantly ramming you and then never ceases swinging at me

I -love- phase 2

[glossy delta]

Gaius seemed like
Solidly average to me
He was Yet Another Tree Sentinel Variant

[old brook]

because he does different shit

[glossy delta]

Admittedly the toughest of the tree sentinel variants

but

[twilit path]

Gaius got some real bullshit, not even close to tree sentinel imo

[old brook]

yeah that feels like a false equivalence of Guy on Creature

[stone cove]

I found you could jump a bunch of his stuff

so wing stance stayed winning

[old brook]

Which, everything just gets smacked by boar head

[glossy delta]

Admittedly I may have been doing stuff different from most people
Like using Dynastic Finesse or Raptor of the Mists to avoid some of his weirder attacks

[old brook]

I can avoid all the weird attacks

It's literally just the

Sekiro Attack Chain

that he does over

and over

and over

[wild sierra]

Maybe the key for me was simply summoning an invulnerable forge construct

[junior spade]

im glad i managed to get him done in 3 tries then, it seems like he walls a lot of folk

[glossy delta]

How is ||Taylew|| btw

[old brook]

I smacked the shit out of Messmer, I didn't expect this

[twilit path]

I ended up shield tanking him with MEGA HEAVY build and just eating damage, took only about 7 tries total, but I really disliked the design personally

[dusty kraken]

Thanks by the way @mellow silo

[wild sierra]

Extremely durable, very slow, ranged attack has surprised me with how effective it is
If you just want a guy who can stand there while you hold R2 he's often excellent although it depends on the opposing moveset

He didn't do work for me on the final boss but I saw someone suggest supporting him with Heal From Afar which is a very funny concept to me

Worked pretty great in a lot of other situations

[glossy delta]

Sounds very nice, then
Being slow doesn't seem like much of a downside with that ranged attack honestly, ||the rocket fist golems in the actual dungeons are terrifying||

[wild sierra]

Yeah out of the dlc spirits I tried I think I'd rate him highest
Meant to give deathbird a go because they just look cool but never got round to it

Second highest is obviously ||Yoda from Star Wars||

[junior spade]

i was gunna say, he ruled, but was fragile

[glossy delta]

||Yoda is cool but REALLY squishy yeah||

[wild sierra]

They have very different jobs

[stone cove]

Taylew seems entirely depdnat on how rocket fist he's feeling

If he spams that, amazing

if he decides to wade into melee

ehhhh

[glossy delta]

Also, on that note: ||TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE PROCESSION OF STARS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA||
||WEIRD DEMIHUMAN LORE AAAAAA I NEEED IT||

[wild sierra]

Was much more useful than taylew on ||that Summoner boss who I think was at the end of darklight depths, blocking the frenzy woods||

I my have the location wrong

[glossy delta]

Oh I know who you mean, your right

I beat that guy first try but it was one of those 'oh thank jesus I beat him first try' bosses

I got good old Ogha out for that

[wild sierra]

It didn't take me a lot of tries bit it was enough
A fun mix up from the normal boss types though

Better gimmick than ||Lamenter||

What if in between every singular hit you do on me I disappeared and turned into 8 shadow clones 🤔
(||And if you don't spend the time to clear them out you die instantly||)

[stone cove]

PEnguin's version of that boss: And you get a Wing Stance Lunge! And you get a Wing Stance Lunge! ANd you...

[wild sierra]

It was worth it for the lamp, lot of dark areas in this dlc
||until I replaced it with the frenzy one with better drip||

[stone cove]

It gave you a lamp?

[wild sierra]

There's a torch in that dungeon ||which is brighter than a classic torch and looks like a severed head||
It's not the boss drop though that was more uh, esoteric

[stone cove]

Ah

I missed it apperntly

[wild sierra]

Might have been behind an illusion wall

[twilit path]

Yeah but have you tried ||Gun||?

[frail sky]

Fog rift catacombs: ||I was not expecting a boss that can heal half of its hp from a grab ||
||Honestly a pretty good boss though, the grab is really telegraphed so it isn’t too hard to dodge (unless you get greedy)||
||And now I have twin axes with a cool looking ash of war 👀||

I will say though: the catacombs/caves and stuff in this dlc take a hell of a long time to get through compared to the base game, not sure how I feel about that

[stone cove]

I like it

a lot

I actualyl wish there were a couple more

In a hpothetical eldne ring 2, i'dl ike them to go hard on the legacy dungeon concept (like do ones with multiple entrances/exists and bosses)

and do both these dlc length dungeons, even longer ones with multiple bosses, and have a few in between this length and base game length for spice

Elden Ring as a base game suffers from a content glut that really hurts it

[junior spade]

content... glut??

[stone cove]

and these dungeons are so much better interpms of being unique, interesting experiences

[real shadow]

Fewer dungeons but more in-depth is honestly great, each one feels like an actual factual dungeon crawl rather than yet another cave or the third fucking rolling statue hallway.

[stone cove]

Like a writer who writes empty paragraphs that bloat the word count

Elden RIng is very good good, but it absoloteuy could stand to have had an editor cutting some shit

[junior spade]

i forgot people feel that way

To each their own

[stone cove]

Eh, game design is a big passion of mine, and while i like ER a whole lot

it absolotuey suffers for it's length

there is a an atrocious amount of copy-paste bosses

some of whom realyl suffer for it (Fallingstar beast, for instance)

[real shadow]

ER has a lot of dungeons and caves but how many of them are like...good?

[stone cove]

Yeah, that's the thign . ER has quanity but not always *qaulity8

and for everyo Gaol Cave, or Altus Resting p[lace (I forget the name, the fun one that's filled with teleproter chests), you have Yet Another Mining Dungeon

With the Elevator YOu alkways Get Off At This Point Becaus There's Always A Secret Here.\

Shadow of the ERd Tree feels like a much more refined design, with it's emphasis on deep veracitlity and overlapping

[frail sky]

I usually used the dungeons and caves as like breaks between main areas/exploration I guess
Like, sometimes I’d just want to spend like 15 minutes doing something simple

[stone cove]

Yeah, i think they have virtue in thatr regard

I just think they were a biit too much in the base game

[mellow silo]

Found a bit of a weird drip, unsure if I like it

[junior spade]

im just very easy to please

[real shadow]

I do agree with this, even if I think there's just a lot of kinda-nothing dungeons.

[junior spade]

Elden Ring is genuinely a flawless experience for me, even on my 10th or so run

[real shadow]

The DLC really shows that if they want to, they can make dungeons a super fun and interesting experience. And if every dungeon in the base game was like them I wouldn't have a complaint (even if it'd add another year of devtime, hah)

[stone cove]

I, infamously, am very critical about stuff. (Even/espeically) stuff i love

and as much as i think ER is a very good game

i also call it the Worst Best/Best Worst game i've played

[junior spade]

understandable, ill just not participate in convos about them then

[frail sky]

Actually, the lack of any designated breather areas is one thing I’m not enjoying too much about the dlc. Sometimes I need something that isn’t exploration that still isn’t as intense as a proper dungeon

[stone cove]

because it's seriously fucking flawed as much as it's really good

[tropic stream]

Not that I currently plan to, but

Is it productive to approach (boss spoilers) ||Gaius like a Tree Sentinel Gravity Magic Edition||

[stone cove]

I guess? i honestly just jumped his jumpble stuff, orpleld everything else, and stuck him in the face with Milady

it worked pretty well

[paper badge]

watching a streamer I like fight the final boss

he's running sekiro tear on ancient meteoric ore greatsword

[stone cove]

Sekiro Tear in generla just seems really good

thoguh i'm camp "Why wasnt this at alisman"

[tranquil copper]

yesn't - ||just be wary of his charge attack. Thing can randomly hit 1-4 times and has very VERY odd hitboxes that change depending on terrain and point of animation he's in. Can send a vid if you want examples||

[modest berry]

just did hog ridahhh,,, not that bad but the charge is obnoxious died to him more than the trailer boss lol

[tranquil copper]

as mentioned just above ||shits bugged, does 1-4 hits randomly based on animation cycle and terrain. Your options are do a frame perfect bloodhound step, run sekiro tear, or somehow just don't get charged||

[kind garden]

literally sprint backwards on Torrent

it consistently causes the entire charge to whiff

[tranquil copper]

when I first went in it wasn't summonable so I thought it wasn't summonable on future attempts :') I've since been told otherwise, and when I went to test recently it worked but. Yea.

also that requires you be already at a distance that you can mount torrent > hop - he can do a real close charge

e.g.

[kind garden]

?

[tranquil copper]

windups already half done there, he begins charge proper here

[kind garden]

just do the fight on horseback

[tranquil copper]

got other issues - also again it can bug and just. Not let you summon torrent. I'll definitely try that on my current playthrough don't get me wrong but like

[kind garden]

so re: Torrent

it just takes a moment for Torrent to become summonable after you go through the fog wall

[modest berry]

you can either roll directly through him or directly to the right you just have to be really exact thats what i did

but yeah i experienced the weird shit as well

[tranquil copper]

(other issues being that ||grav spikes can't be jumped afaik - depending on how the hitboxes are done you may be able to double jump it? But not sure. Also if for w/e reason you get knocked off torrent its gg||)

[kind garden]

spam the sprint button

works like a charm

idk why it has magic height on the hitbox but like, them shits spawn in midair sometimes

[tranquil copper]

||depends as mentioned, he can sometimes clip you when you're fully behind him and send you flying. I really wish I had recorded my first go through vs him||

specifically timing I used was right as the ||tusks|| were about to hit roll then, you full clear the entire model straight through - you will sometimes Just Get Hit

BHS gives you just enough range that on the same timing it gets through consistently - I'm not good enough at execution for that tho

and I found out about the shield thing on clear attempt because I heard a godawful noise and my entire stamina bar vanished. Also seeing my buddy mimic tear get hit 3x off in the distance when boss swapped aggro

[modest berry]

it also seems like sometimes id take double damage?

[tranquil copper]

ye thats the hits thing I'm mentioning

like he will, for no visible reason, just hit more times sometimes

[past shard]

most noticable on forward roll (getting hit by active hitboxes)

[modest berry]

got it i though you were talking about getting hit after i already rolled through him

[tranquil copper]

I sound wacky af saying it but like. Literally recorded it || https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkZ-4YmDlBo || he does just Do That.

[modest berry]

anyways, not so bad, im embarasssed i died more to a pig and a hippo then messmer 😭

[tranquil copper]

yuh he can clip you with 1-3 hitboxes on that, also ye what Viper said - issue is side rolls just don't clear enough dist usually to get out of him. Its safer but you get chipped down slowly

[tranquil copper]

(this was me going back and testing bc I was already going to scrap the file after the things I had to do to go from limgrave ng+1 to final dlc boss)

[modest berry]

right side roll was fairly consistent for me, however if he runs at an angle its all over

games been fun so far, ||the hippo open mouth run grab and lamenter did make me mald tho||

[tranquil copper]

but if you play at 0.5 or 0.25x speed, his first charge hits multiple times then hits me from behind, his second charge hits just once

makes no sense at all

[tranquil copper]

||lamenter|| was an interesting gimmick fight

I do wish the gimmick was slightly clearer (I confused the ranged attack for the actual cause which is ||the ads not dying||) but once I was told about my misconception it was quite nice

[modest berry]

it took me a while to put it together considering you dont even need to do the gimmick technically you can bruteforce it

||the hippo tho i think i just had to git gud, i could dodge it long range no prob but it felt like if i was anywhere near its head if it dropped its jaws i just teleported in ||

but its all cool, im excited to see what comes after mr the impaler

[stone cove]

I literally rolledc every charge with no issue

so that's not consient per player

[tranquil copper]

there's more people reporting issues with the charge on foot than not. I can't say the root cause of it (if its a case of using ||small boar|| hitboxes and rig but scaled like the bleed dogs, if its tied to framerate, if its tied to boss positioning) bc the tools to check aren't properly updated yet and I don't have the knowhow to update them or otherwise rig them to work but like

its definitely there, it definitely exists, its definitely an issue

[stone cove]

Oh, not disputing that part

just saying "This isnt reprodcuible for every player"

[tranquil copper]

ah sry, still mildly tilted over some ppl who were outright dismissing it like that

[stone cove]

My personal theory is that it's perfomance related

I've got a really grunty computer, and have had no issues

[tranquil copper]

also had someone saying final boss was just fine to dodge and then refused to link any kind of proof - linking two nohit vids where one killed it in 7 hits (perfume bottle glitch), and the other just got none of the moves that were brought up

[tranquil copper]

the main reason I don't think its that is because I had no performance issues in the fight - but it was a lot harder to replicate (that clip came from 6m of me re-testing) so my theory atm is that there's a collision bug that's making the boxes bounce off the floor weird ala dragon fire attacks

just more confined because they can't go too far from the boss's body

so some parts of the arena are hunky dory and other parts are Just Fucked

also on the multi-hit thread - did you have [final boss spoilers] ||the gravity spikes from final boss hit 5/6 times per cast? Like even if you weren't in the expanding portion?||

because final boss did give me performance issues (only when im host for some reason I was fine when helping freyja and esoteric) so that might be my issue there

also apparently this happened? I'll need to make sure its off before saying that the game still definitely performs worse but like. Why did the update change this. My card definitely can't do it so how/why would it turn it on

[glossy delta]

The final boss def feels like, actively buggy at times
||When he starts doing lightspeed shadow clones who tf knows whats gonna happen||

[tranquil copper]

for whatever reason those only bugged out for me in multiplayer. Singleplayer they were pinpoint accurate at all times and ranges

[past shard]

||The genei-jin experience in Elden Ring ||

[left willow]

[Spoilers relate to Castle Ensis]
Ow, ow, ow! ||Rellana|| fragging hurts. I only had time to face off against ||her|| once before I needed to dip for the night, but that once was rough af

Are pronouns spoilers?

[tranquil copper]

don't think so o7

[tranquil copper]

also yeah just checked this is off (and cant be turned on). Not related to that at least it just does worse for w/e reason and the ||low orbit ion cannon|| just tanks my frames for fun ig

[vivid spire]

https://www.polygon.com/24186316/elden-ring-dlc-shadow-of-the-erdtree-patch-notes

[modest berry]

|| relanna was fun but the first boss in the whole game that made me summon, a lot of bosses feel so agressive to compensate for their aggro being split with spirits, and tbh its more fun summoning i need to do a replay of the whole game doing it i was being an insufferable snob and considered it a crutch but ive gotten over myself ||

[tranquil copper]

last thing before I dip, because I've been cursed with this knowledge I shall pass it on (final boss spoilers) ||phase 1 is entirely parryable, phase 2 can be parried but requires 3 hits to riposte as with malenia. Good luck.||

[left willow]

I love summons. I'm not nearly good enough to play the game without them, so I've been rocking them since the word go.

[modest berry]

yeah i did the whole base game without them and i think that was a poor decision and i would have had more fun otherwise, still fun and not so bad but still

im just an iconoclast

[left willow]

I recently got Yoda ||Swordmaster Yosh|| and he's good stuff. I still miss Lhuthel's stupid survivability + ability to whack bosses from across the arena, but the damage output on ||yosh|| is unparalleled in my experience

[steep wing]

Got lil boy zooming in base game cause its so satisfying to watch

[stone cove]

I'm a mimic tear stan

mainly because i'm such an otpimizer that then duplicating my build works very well

[modest berry]

an aside, ive been enjoying dryleaf arts so much i love it with lionel armor +shadow militiamen helmet (finally a vivi head) just a windmill kicking sphere

[stone cove]

Hilarious, i just did the very second to last fight the ||Gank squad|| and during it, my mimic tear ||killed Leda while i was fighting Dane||

WHich was great

[steep wing]

I already do my stuff I don't need another

[modest berry]

yeah mimic and like, tiche seem like S tier buddies

[stone cove]

Tear was just like "I have had ENOUGH of your fucking shit"

Anyway

Last boss timez

[modest berry]

good luck!

[modest berry]

also the lizard sword is so silly i knew i needed it when i saw it

[steep wing]

Mimic always is tbh

But then I don't wanna run around with the most op thing but just hit things with my hammer as yoda distracts them yodashit. Like Ornstein and Smaugh

Lil sword shooting lil tongue :D

[stone cove]

SHOOT YOUR TOUNGE

[modest berry]

anyways im gonna check out the post gaius stuff but man i think my main thing i wish there was was a map fill in overlay for where you've gone, i think that would be a good QOL improve

[stone cove]

I do wnat to mess around with the Scriptsmith weapons more, as they are very interesting with any of the Flame Arts etc imbues

due to getting physical scaling from Faith/Int

ALso becauseo nfo them is just a giant fuck off hammer, and that's fantastic

[tropic stream]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Okay

I need to stop

F*CK

[modest berry]

the jump attack on the cirques is so fun being able to consistently hit jumping heavy while retreating,,,

[left willow]

Mimic Tear seems like it'd be so good, but my mimics are always dumber than a bag of rocks, and I play caster, so they try and go for maximum castage, which gets them insta-bopped. They'd probably do better now that I'm more survivable, but idk

[steep wing]

I just wanna find the baddest, biggest forking hammer there is. There must be something greater. Dlc is 23gb, 12gb just to save that massive hammer they are hiding I bet

[modest berry]

whats the biggest so far,,,

||anvil maybe id say? ||

[kind garden]

Bonk.

[steep wing]

In size, prob Giantcrusher

[stone cove]

From That's rude. Don't hide an emote like that

[kind garden]

lol

[stone cove]

Honestly, so far i dont like this boss much, mainly becuase it's just ocnstant atack spam

like it's not acutally al lthat interesting, because there's very little room to actually have the push-pull of htings

The start is a good example - are they going to IMMEDIATELY attack, or just walk meanicngly? who knows! sucks if they immediatyle attack and you're now delaing with camera isuses

[frail sky]

NPC next to pillar path waypoint: ||I have just met Igon and I am very scared of this man||

[vivid spire]

Ahab vibes

[frail ferry]

incorrect opinion

hes the goat

[frail sky]

Also, invaded by ||Ancient Dragon-Man||

That’s certainly an invader name

[frail ferry]

hell yeah

[vivid spire]

Lmao

[frail ferry]

also if the area gives you trouble
the dragon hunting weapon is unsurprisingly really good for dragon hunting

[vivid spire]

Eow

[frail sky]

||Dragon’s Pit||
I do not like the sound of that

[frail ferry]

oh i forgot igon shows up before that dungeon

[left willow]

This fucker can kick rocks if you ask me.

[frail sky]

||That is way too many bloodstains for just the entrance ||

[frail ferry]

fun fact

||holy|| damage

[frail sky]

Unrelated, what’s with all the low level somber smithing stones in this dlc? I keep finding somber 1-4s and it feels odd for a post mogh dlc

[frail ferry]

for new weapons

saves you time

[junior spade]

Youll find higher level ones as you go, too

[frail sky]

Also, milady discovery
A two handed running r2 leads into the last two r1s of the combo, not sure if this procs the twinblade talisman but if it does that sounds incredible

…should I be spoiling me talking about that weapon?

[frail ferry]

nah

its very popular

theres also a cool stance weapon art for it

if you wanna know where

[frail sky]

||Wing stance?||

[frail ferry]

yep

its jump can dodge a good amount of things

[vivid spire]

Even ||Gaius|| if the rumor is true

[stone cove]

No, at this point we all know aobut the weapons

it's really not a spoiler ot talk about them unless they're boss drops

[frail ferry]

and even then a vauge description will do

[frail sky]

Miyazaki noticing people never jumping to avoid attacks and just giving them this to incentivize it

It’s me I’m people

[frail ferry]

is it working

[vivid spire]

Wait

Does it count as a jump attack

[frail ferry]

id imagine

[vivid spire]

If so...I might go back to my lighting dex build

[frail sky]

||Be brave. Show no fear. ||

[frail ferry]

fromsoft is usually good about that

[vivid spire]

It's been working well so fsr

||Gaius!!|| Will be killed by my pure rage

I'm gonna do a Mario on his hesd

[frail ferry]

torrent makes it so much more managable

[vivid spire]

Yeah but torrent dies in two hits

[frail ferry]

you can just run or jump everything

how much rowa fruit has been accumulated

[frail sky]

||Wait did they just put the dark souls dragon form in elden ring?||

[frail ferry]

:)

dark souls 4 bby

[frail sky]

||insert that one dark souls dragon form video here||

[frail ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight-batman-beyond-funny-narrow-it-down-gif-25176406

[glossy delta]

gnaaaaaa

||it's not quite as scrungled as ds3s but it is CLOSE||

[frail ferry]

im excited to bring my dragon build into the shadow realm

also status procs

[frail sky]

||What do you mean ancient dragon man was the “arbiter of those worthy to devour the Dreaded One”!? What dragon is out there that outclasses Placidusaxx as dreaded!?||

[stone cove]

Got em,.

What a stupid fight

[glossy delta]

Proceed 🙂

[stone cove]

||Look closelsy!||

[frail ferry]

youll know it when you see it

[stone cove]

Rose, dont look atr this bit:

||If you pay attention to Bayle, you can see 3 of placi's heads around it||

Anyway, final boss down.

[frail sky]

||Oh no||

[glossy delta]

:3

[frail ferry]

generic hair metal starts playing

[frail sky]

||So that's a perpetually stormy sky the same color as ancient dragon lightning||

[glossy delta]

(fun fact: that was not actually what I meant, even)

[frail ferry]

yeah that mountain is metal af

[stone cove]

also the final cutscen or whatever borken and comeptely failed to render properly, i had to alt-f4 the game

what an absoloute mound of donkey doo to cap off a really good expansion! >.<

[atomic plinth]

...the black knight helmet goes incredibly well with Maliketh's armor wtf

Like those two are tailor made for each other practically

[stone cove]

Update, the final Cutscene borked so hard I had to restart my computer, because Elden ring just launched to a black screen

[frail ferry]

one last fuck you from the dlc

[stone cove]

My computer is now complaining about bios etc, so this is great fun!

[frail ferry]

wow

[stone cove]

There we go.l

[glossy delta]

||Miquella charmed your comp||

[frail ferry]

lebron james reportedly forgot to use ||miquella's great rune||

[frail sky]

Is it this?

||Also I appreciate the extremely cheesable dragon||

[glossy delta]

Nope!
This area goes hard if you can't tell
(I didn't actually find what you showed, cool 👀)

[frail ferry]

igon is the ultimate hater

[glossy stag]

||CURSE YOU BAYLE||

[frail sky]

I'm beginning to think I went the wrong way for getting the map fragment

[glossy delta]

Yeah uhhjh
Perhaps

[frail sky]

Anyway this entire area screams “end game” so I’m gonna go literally anywhere else
Also the atmosphere is terrifying

[glossy delta]

Be aware there's two ways to go from that field boss you screenshoted earlier
North and south

[frail sky]

||Holy shit||

[atomic plinth]

Man

Why do dual wielding enemies always suck to fight in this game

[glossy delta]

THIS is what I meant!
Or at least, you are very close

[atomic plinth]

At least they're interesting if nothing else

||Anyone got any advice for Rellana? I was doing well, but then she cast some twin moons spell and instantly killed me.||

[twilit path]

||they can be jumped, weirdly enough, I think||

[atomic plinth]

Huh

Makes sense I guess

Time to pull out my Godfrey training

[frail sky]

||Drinking this will turn me into a dragon, won’t it?||

[glossy delta]

||Do you actually want an answer to that||

[dusty kraken]

Because 2 light hits is more poise damage than 1 big hit so they are great at stunlocking you/they tend to have movesets where both hits come after each other really fast.

[frail sky]

||Yes||

[glossy delta]

That and they usually have at least one 'go absolutely apeshit' combo

[glossy delta]

||It will not||

[frail sky]

Hmm
Whatever it does I think I’ll do it on a different character

[atomic plinth]

||...why the fuck does Rellana's Carian Slicer extend across the entire arena||

||I fucking WISH I got a Slicer with that range||

[frail sky]

||I do have an arcane/dragon communion character so||

[glossy delta]

||I believe it just gives you a one time buff 'item' ala Baldachin's Blessing||

[fleet bronze]

Yeah, it's essentially that without the HP malus iirc

[atomic plinth]

...whyyyyyyyyyyyy do duel wielding enemies just never fucking stop attacking

Christ

[kind garden]

God, I just realized something awful/tragic

The pot dungeon under the Shadow Keep isn’t where they were made, it’s ||a sanatorium for the mutilated remnants of Marika’s slaughtered people||

[atomic plinth]

...wish I could respec but I'm too deep into my magic build

I COULD go for blackflame, but that requires A Fucking Lot of smithing stones, which I don't really feel like getting

Oh well

...oh wait I could just get a dragon communion seal, I have plenty of somber stones

[left willow]

Does anyone know what the thought process behind having both Somber and Regular smithing stones is?

[glossy delta]

It's tradition, basically

Way back every upgrade path had separate titanites, with the noninfusable special weapon having their own

[fleet bronze]

Essentially, part of the balancing philosophy is having non-unique (or theoretically non-unique) weapons without powerful special abilities but that you can customize with different damage types (and in Elden Ring AoWs) making them more flexible, and unique weapons with powerful special abilities, specific damage and scaling types, and that have their specific builds/use cases

With the two different kinds of weapons having different upgrade materials

In previous games, it was generally easier to upgrade and get the upgrade materials for the non-unique ones but Elden Ring has unintuitively, maybe unintentionally, flipped that

[left willow]

interesting, thank you for explaining

[fleet bronze]

Bloodborne, notably, didn't have different upgrade materials because there was a much smaller total number of weapons and each one was very distinct with different move sets (barring a couple exceptions) rather than having classes of weapons with multiple different weapons sharing a move set

[stone cove]

Fairly certyain unitnetioanlly, since beign able to rush the upgrades relies on a bunch of meta knowledge

@left willow You want #1162109930472493066

[left willow]

insert cardboard tube over head noises

[dusty kraken]

I've taken a break from the DLC to play my dancing swords character in the base game.

[fleet bronze]

Oh that reminds me, has anyone tried SotE under level 100 or so?

Because there's some really cool weapons that it's a shame they made it fairly difficult to play through a great deal of the rest of the game with

[atomic plinth]

I'd applaud whoever can even get to SotE under level 100 tbh

Cause you gotta beat Radahn AND Mohg, the former of whom is real fuckin hard to beat sub level 100

[stone cove]

...Uh?

Nooo?

Radan's pretty easy to chump under level 100

[left willow]

Now, I did it at like 107 (+ or - 2) but that was a FEAT ime

[stone cove]

I probably splatter him in the 60s to 80s normally

[left willow]

Latter, not former, I think?

[stone cove]

and only that high because i tend to do Night Rider + Greyroll shennagins to power level early

[fleet bronze]

Mohg is definitely the tougher of the two to beat that low, though I have to imagine there's a Let Me Solo Him style community going since the DLC dropped

[stone cove]

MOhgy moo... honestly , seems pretty doable sub 100 too, he's very weak to bleed and you just need to take elnora down to get the your attack is lol option

[left willow]

There is! It's at least partially organized by one of my favorite tiktokers: MaldHound

Aka: Jerry's Discount Bonkporium

[stone cove]

After that it's mostly dodging and hammering hi mwith enogufh bleed procs

Mohg's bleed res, for context: 290 / 332 / 430 / 720

[left willow]

You know what I really want in Elden Ring? Team-buff spells. It'd be so fun to be able to summon an ash, toss some cocaine their way, then play keep-away from the boss until your summon takes it down

[stone cove]

Most decent bleed weapons will trigger the first two very fast - he only looses 10% of his hp per bleed proc

Those exist!

[left willow]

... They're Incantations, aren't they?

[stone cove]

nod

[left willow]

Foiled by Int Build again

Astrologers player be like

[fleet bronze]

Just gotta go int faith then!

But yeah they mostly tried to delineate faith and int by who gets bigger single target damage and who gets buffs

[left willow]

mmm, hesitant to drop Int currently, as I can finally wield the Sakka's (first) Girlfriend Stick, and have exactly the int needed for it

I do also stare at the moon, but that would be 10 levels away T^T

Though, I could give it 5, then use either Rune Arc or Stargazer Heirloom to grab the rest

[steel scroll]

good morning elden ringlers. i have been rotating ||queen marika|| in my brain for like five days now. when does it end.

[left willow]

what does this mean?

[steel scroll]

shes a poor little meow meow to me. hope that clarifies things.

[left willow]

Truly tumblr coded

(it did not)

[glossy stag]

I'd say it's perfectly fine for about 10s in blessing

[steel scroll]

on funny forest; ||i'd looked up how to get to the zone i knew connected to it, but decided to clear out a crypt before i looked up the directions to actually reach the place. that crypt was darklight...||

[stone cove]

Hell, you even get handed the "Solve this area" weapon before hand

[granite pawn]

Gamers I need your assistance

I am currently struggling to find a build that I like, mostly because I am bad at numbers games.

I think I wanna try a dex build. Mostly I wanna look sick as hell and scare people in pvp. What weapon/armor comboes do you suggest

also mind that I have not yet reached the DLC so I'm only able to use base-game items and stuff for now, im tryna get myself in the right headspace for tackling this badass new frontier

[left willow]

I'm partial to the Mantis Blade for coolness factor in dex builds:
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Mantis+Blade

[fleet bronze]

There's a lot of good dex weapons and in a lot of different flavors. I'm really partial to the dex Pole arms, like the cross naginata and the sword-spear

[granite pawn]

oooo i like that

i wanted to try to make a claw-weapon build work but im afraid i wasn't able to get it

i've always leaned toward strength-based heavy weapons in my past playthroughs so i wasn't used to how hard it can be to get a stagger with the lighter ones.

[glossy stag]

So, ||where are my Rellana x Messmer fanfics.||

[stone cove]

If you really want to brutalize people in pvp and dex, there's really only one answer

Keen Swordspear with Stormcaller on it.

Great two-hjanded or one handed with a very fast R1 combo

Ask @left willow what happened ot the invader that tried to jump me when i was helping hades one time and i stormcalled them

[frozen olive]

||Wait 3??? I only noticed the one on its neck, where are the others?||

[left willow]

Mans (gender neutral, derogatory) got stunlocked and 100 -> 0'd in like 10 seconds flat

I also recommend having something with range that can knock people out of casting animation, as that is one of the easiest ways to clown on invaders that rely on buffs or spells. (I use swift or great glintstone (depending on which I have equipped), cause it comes out so fast and denies most incantations, but I'd imagine Kukri or some kind of pot would be your best bet)

[frozen olive]

||ok apparently there are 2 placi heads chomping on Bayles neck idk where the third is though||

[dusty kraken]

So does anyone in the Carian Royal Family || Have good taste in men? Like, every single one of them with a partner - Complete shitshow relationship.||

[frozen olive]

evidence points to no

||though Ranni could be argued depending on the Tarnished, but then again the Tarnished is probably just as unhinged||

still fucking crazy to me that people are complaining about the difficulty of the DLC

i'm unironically not even good at the game and using the tools it gave me the only boss i didn't defeat without some Jolly co-operation was the last one

[fleet bronze]

I think it's because the DLC really is oriented around exploring first and doing the plot second and maintains its difficulty in spite of that

Whereas in the base game if you do the side dungeons and do things even a little out of order you can get really powerful and make the main areas kind of trivial

[frozen olive]

saw people complaining about needing to collect all the scadutree fragments too which is wild

[fleet bronze]

The bosses also do hit like a truck, even with a decent number of fragments, imo

[frozen olive]

you really only need to get to like, lvl 15 to be able to deal with everything and you can easily get that with just exploring

i will admit i think some of the locations for fragments are kind of obscure so getting all of them actually does suck

i didn't even figure out you can get them from pot enemies before i checked a guide

but i got to lvl 16 before i got to the final boss without any kind of guide even existing so i really don't think it's as much of a problem as it could be made out to be

if you get to scadutree 16 you take half damage and deal almost 2x damage with the new patch

the numbers in green are the new patch numbers, 1.95x damage dealt on scadu 16 and 0.512x damage taken

unless you REALLY have to have that 0.10x damage getting to max does not matter

anyway i'm going to need to check if the save file i made before the final boss is still backed up

if it is i am going to try to fight the boss again

Beat it with Jolly Co-operation which is based but i want to try practice more to fight it solo

[granite pawn]

guhhhhhh im trying to make a dex build and just

completely failing

i think i might have to make a new character and try a dex build from level 1-ish to really start to understand

my drip which hasn't changed for 100000000 years :(

i think im just struggling to find a build that, like

does what i want it to

i wanna do fun flashy moves and dart around super quick

i think i want monster hunter longsword in elden ring

[fleet bronze]

Oh well you're in luck because they basically added that in the Heavy Katanas in the DLC

Though they're more the non-spirit mode long swords

Unfortunately most of the base game weapons are pretty static compared to stuff like the Dryleaf arts

[granite pawn]

maybe i'll just find something that works till i can drop mogh and move on

[fleet bronze]

Try the Naginata with swords dance or phantom slash, I think it might scratch that itch

[frozen olive]

(final boss spoilers)||still sad that St.Trina has to go after Miquella and Radahn are defeated, she seemed really nice even if her sleep was so potent it just outright can kill people||

||by all means it makes sense that a part of Miquella would follow him into death but it's no less sad||

||also they really did pull a fast one and kill all of the funny NPC people on me as well didn't they? The only living person left is the Hornsent Grandma and she seems to have gone past her senile state at this point, no dialogue at all left, i can't even talk to her with the Divine Lion mask on to get the spell she has||

[steel scroll]

twitter feeding my brain rot; messmer spoiler. ||someone brought up the fact that the crusaders in the shadowlands might just straight up not know about the shattering war. messmer died thinking his mother abandoned him, but she might've actually wanted to see him the whole time but was sealed inside the erdtree||

[real shadow]

||Oh no yeah that's probably the case, because how would Marika even contact anyone? She's been stuck in there for who even knows how long. Everyone wondering where Marika was, thinking she abandoned them, doesn't know the truth of what happened in the Lands Between.||

[frozen olive]

||Was thinking about the same thing for Morgott but he likely knew his father had been banished at least, unlike Messmer who kinda just got sealed away and forgotten about||

[wild sierra]

||she actually had some extra post-game dialogue for me as I got her spell before beating the last boss
most importantly she said I did a good job and gave me some stew||

[tropic stream]

Wait, the mtg youtuber maldhound?

[left willow]

Yeah

... It's not Jerry it's Wayne's Discount Bonkporium, I'm just losing my marbles

[left willow]

https://youtu.be/oTm8LysH15Y?si=RaJ57oMiV34udW8e

[tropic stream]

I had no idea he played ER but I am not surprised

Oh god

Of course he's that fucking build

[left willow]

If you haven't seen these, you're in for a treat

[tropic stream]

Honestly

We should get the communities of mtg and er to badger fromsoft and wotc to make an Elden Ring set

Ranni would be Dimir

Tell me I'm wrong

[frozen olive]

😭

[left willow]

You're wrong
(I don't play mtg, so I don't know if you are or not, I'm just very good at following instructions)

But seriously, if you haven't watched Mald's ER shorts, you should. They're so so so worth it

[frozen olive]

"if you catch the rot you've gone too far"

[tropic stream]

Dimir is Blue/Black, which are the colors specializing in esoteric spells of the 'fuck you, you don't get to play your deck' variety and the 'I kill my own shit to kill you' variety respectively

[left willow]

Yeah, that tracks

[tropic stream]

Ranni would 100% be a Dimir card

And my girlfriend would be happy

But the Crucible Knights and beast and shit would be Gruul cards

And I would be happy

(Gruul is Red/Green, which is just lots of damage and big creatures)

[frozen olive]

Ranni gets a kill your own cards for a power up

and the card would be "The Night of Black Knives"

[tropic stream]

Probably a return from the graveyard etb too

[frozen olive]

the image would be The Black Knives carving the rune of death into Godwyn

[tropic stream]

Honestly

Who in ER would be a gruul commander?

[frozen olive]

Starscourge Radahn

[tropic stream]

Oh god I just realized something fucking hilarious

No

Radahn is Izzet

[frozen olive]

what does Izzet do

[tropic stream]

Think about it

[dusty kraken]

||```
Kind Miquella 1WUR
Legendary Enchantment Creature - God
Lifelink
Whenever a permanent an opponent control deals damage to you or Kind Miquella, you can pay 2(W/U). If you do, gain control of that permanent.

RRUUWW: Transform Kind Miquella. Activate this ability only as a sorcery and only if you control 3 or more permanents you do not own.

0/4

Age of Compassion
Legendary Enchantment
As long as you control 3 or more permanents you do not own, Age of Compassion is Indestructible and has Hexproof

Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, it enters the battlefield under your control unless its owner pays (1).

Creatures you own but do not control have +2/+2, First Strike and Lifelink

(I might have made a joke card for my friends based on the DLC)

[tropic stream]

Shit tons of magic and damage

[frozen olive]

yeah that tracks

as much as Radahn feels like kind of a brute

he's also a god tier sorcerer

[tropic stream]

That's what would make it so funny

He would enable Izzet stompy

[dusty kraken]

To be fair, all colours are 'sorcery' in MTG

[frozen olive]

unironically one of the single most powerful casters in the entirety of Elden Ring

[tropic stream]

Which makes my brain happy

[dusty kraken]

There is no colour of 'magic'

[frozen olive]

true

but Radahn in Elden Ring lore is also like

an insane caster

[tropic stream]

There isn't but are you really gonna find a sorcerer instead of a druid or something in green

[frozen olive]

just his feat of holding the literal stars in place and halting DESTINY ITSELF is fucking ridiculous

[dusty kraken]

Starscourge Radahn 2RGW
Legendary Creature - God Warrior
Trample, First Strike
When Starscourge Radahn enters the battlefield, it deals damage to any target equal to the amount of mana spent to cast it.

Opponents cannot cast spells from anywhere other than their hands.


4/4

My shot at Radahn was white actually over blue. Since his thing is holding back the stars/halting fate itself.

[tropic stream]

Naya Radahn tickles me lmao

[frozen olive]

i think it's funny that one of Elden Rings biggest physical powerhouses is also an insanely powerful wizard

[tropic stream]

I have an idea for a flip card

Margit monowhite, Morgott Boros

Mohg would be Rakdos, obvi

[grave plinth]

Radahn is Red/Blue/White

[tropic stream]

Oh god a hypothetical Elden Ring set's Gruul commander would be Rykard, wouldn't it...

kill me

[frozen olive]

TOOOOGEEETTHHHAAAAA

[tropic stream]

I haaaaaaaaaate it!!!

Who would be Selesnya?

[frozen olive]

what is selesnyas thing

[tropic stream]

Green White is like, regeneration and some green flavored stompy

Regal Ancestor Spirit

boom

[fleet bronze]

Oh he would absolutely be Jund

[tropic stream]

okay fair, he'd be jund

[frozen olive]

i have to assume Rennala would be some kind of blue combo

[fleet bronze]

Unless the Dungeater is Jund

[tropic stream]

Rennala I think is monoblue

Dung Eater is Golgari

[fleet bronze]

Though they could both be

[tropic stream]

Would Rellana be Izzet...

[fleet bronze]

In this theoretical commander deck I guess you'd have Rykard, Dungeater, and Bayle

Maybe Mohg too

[tropic stream]

What are Malenia's colors?

Would she be Golgari, Rakdos, or Jund?

[fleet bronze]

That's a tough one, I might say WRB

[tropic stream]

I think Mohg is pretty solidly rakdos

From what I've been hearing of Miquella he seems Orzhov

You know

I think Godrick would be fucked up Selesnya or GWB

Make tokens and then sacrifice them to give him +1/+1 counters

[dusty kraken]

The Shattering 2RB
Enchantment - Saga
When The Shattering enters the battlefield, target player becomes the Monarch.

I - Each player sacrifices a legendary permanent.
II - Goad all creatures.
III - All non-monarch players lose 8 life.

[tropic stream]

oooo

nice

[fleet bronze]

That fucks

I love sagas as a design space in MtG, even if I don't play anymore and haven't since before they came out

[kind garden]

Astel, Naturalborn of the Void 4UB
Legendary Creature - Alien
Flash, Hexproof
When Astel, Naturalborn of the Void enters the battlefield, counter target spell. Its owner loses life equal to its converted mana cost.

5/5

idk why but Astel screams living counterspell to me

probably because it was sent as a "no u" to the people of Nokstella

[vernal imp]

Maybe he could be an alter of the latest Errtai.

[vernal imp]

RBG or WRBG I think

[frail sky]

Huh?

Oh 10s as in the blessing level, not as in 10 seconds

[dusty kraken]

Godrick The Grafted WGB
Legendary Creature - God Noble
Trample
When Godrick enters the battlefield, move any number of counters from other permanents you control to Godrick.

1/1

[tropic stream]

My partners are arguing Ranni is Izzet and my brain hurty cuz like

what are you drawing on other than 'Ranni do magic' XD

'She lacks any black mechanics'

[frail sky]

Where are they getting red from 😕

[dusty kraken]

Knight of Godrick WG
Creature - Human Knight
Knight of Godrick enters the battlefield with your choice of a Reach, First Strike or +1/+1 Counter.

2/2

[tropic stream]

she kills her own flesh and the night of black knives happened what do you mean

[frail sky]

Like are they just going with red because you can marry her or something?

[tropic stream]

"She doesn't use anything like that while fighting"

Bro we never fight her!!!

XD

Okay they're hypothesizing how she fights

[frail sky]

Well you can technically fight her

In that if you attack her she instantly kills you

[tropic stream]

They're arguing she'd be red blue because big summons and hypothetically big spells, which

Fair enough I guess

idk I feel like we're just coming at different places at this point lol

[frail sky]

Also how is the fingerslayer blade not black?

[junior spade]

She's patient, ice/moon spells are all about debilitation, Carians in general focus on calm ranged responses, etc

[tropic stream]

murd is that an argument for Dimir or Izzet?

[junior spade]

i dont know what those words mean

I do not play mtg

[tropic stream]

Black Blue or Red Blue

xD

[junior spade]

in yugioh terms Ranni plays the new full-power Ice Barrier deck- ( i am shot offscreen )

[frail sky]

[dusty kraken]

Ice barrier got one good card and never again.

[junior spade]

the new support is really good, actually!

anyways whatever mtg stuff aligns with a patient playstyle building up to a big moon spell, using reliable servants to get there

[vivid spire]

Every morning I awaken and listen to Rellana’s theme

To prepare me

[tropic stream]

What's funny is

[vivid spire]

For motherfucking ||GAIUS!!!!!!!!!||

[tropic stream]

This is Rakdos

Which is Black Red

XD

[dusty kraken]

I could maybe see Ranni as esper but mostly just izzet.

[tropic stream]

Why do you think she'd be Izzet?

[glossy delta]

just like the black knives

[dusty kraken]

Because it's 1am

[tropic stream]

Not contesting, just wondering

lmao

Valid

[dusty kraken]

And I mistyped gild names

[tropic stream]

I will not disturb you further

[dusty kraken]

Spies

[tropic stream]

Oh lol

[dusty kraken]

Fuck, name eludes me

[tropic stream]

Dimir xD

Which is black blue

[dusty kraken]

There we go. Esper or Dimir

Ranni, Black Knife Mastermind 3BU
Legendary Artifact Creature - Wizard

Attacking creatures you control have deathtouch and menace.

Whenever a player loses the game, you win the game.

3/3

[tropic stream]

That's big funny

[kind garden]

This would unironically be such a fucked up EDH card

[dusty kraken]

Yep. You don't need to beat everyone. You just need to beat SOMEONE.

[tropic stream]

You don't even need to beat them

Someone has to be beaten

It just can't be you

[kind garden]

wait hold up

the way that's worded

it absolutely could be you

"A player" can be you

[glossy stag]

halp, I did the ||fingers|| questline ||also what the fuck||, now I don't know what's the "right" ||thing to give Jolan||

[kind garden]

||Do you want the Jolan summon or do you want the sword||

||If it's about moral righteousness, giving her the Iris of Occlusion will result in her suicide||

[dusty kraken]

Yeah but when you lose all you stuff goes away as a state-based action so no time to trigger.

[kind garden]

Ah, right

been a while since I did serious MtG stuff

[glossy stag]

||isn't ashes also definitely not living||

[kind garden]

||Eh, the way it happens kinda implies that they're not dead, just actively working for you now, with the ashes being mechanical rather than lore-based in nature||

[glossy stag]

||grace iris felt kind of brainwashy with the other one I gave it to||

[old brook]

I don't think I've been more disappointed in a weapon art before, ||Rakshasa||

[glossy stag]

||I remain really torn on what iris to use||

[glossy delta]

It do be wild swings yeah

[kind garden]

Weed Cutter has hella hyper armor

it's Wild Swings (fucked up version)

[glossy delta]

For ||Jolan||? Def ||Grace||
There's a secret thingy you can do
||The other night sword hand also exists as a spirit ash in the world, and if you have Jolan when you find em you can fuse the ashes||

[kind garden]

WHA

YOU CAN?

[frozen olive]

yes

[kind garden]

sweet

glad I made the right call

[frozen olive]

i gave ||Jolan the occlusion one no hesitation so i got her sword||

[glossy delta]

||To summon both at once||
||It's the most expensive ash in the game cuz it gets you two tarnished NPCs in play at once||

[frozen olive]

||after i gave the Queelign guy the grace one and he became a spirit ash i didn't want i did the opposite for her||

[proven horizon]

Beat the final boss

Thanks for the carry +25 occult snake fists

[frozen olive]

my carry was the unmatched Dogju

the raw power and poise

[proven horizon]

Incredible

[frozen olive]

i didn't have any kind of status effect lined up

which unless you are very good is kinda mandatory

so i joined in some Jolly Co-operation

[kind garden]

yeah I kinda uh

I put together a bleed machine for the final boss

[frozen olive]

you need like, rot, bleed, cold

something

[proven horizon]

Snake fists do deadly poison, but most of my damage was just coming out of regular swings

[frozen olive]

the healthbar you are contending with is enormous so you need some way to chunk it

[kind garden]

what you need is %maxHP

[frozen olive]

yeah

[proven horizon]

Fists are just fast enough that you can get a swing in between some of the bosses swings

[tropic stream]

Where is she?

[kind garden]

blackflame will do it, Destined Death will do it, bleed/frost/rot/poison will do it

[frozen olive]

i was using a greatsword which just wasn't fast enough for decent hits

neither were the incantations i had

[glossy delta]

I do not actually recall 😔

[proven horizon]

I did actually respec off my katana because it wasn't quite fast enough to reliably get mid-combo hits

[frozen olive]

personally i didn't want to respec

[proven horizon]

Very happy I managed to keep my snake theme up through the whole game, though