Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

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well I can, he always looks at the target he's gonna actually go for for real

[tranquil copper]

fairnuff

got another 40m of attempts in me

after that i gotta log in for wedding

pain

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CLOSER AND CLOSER

[tranquil copper]

furthest we got tho

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@tranquil copper gonna keep going until my current batch of furlcalling remedies is depleted

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o7

robbed

we were robbed

holy shit

what

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good lurd

[tranquil copper]

please say you got his license plate

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I got a number for roughly how much my lightning does when it connects good

like 2k damage

3k if it's perfect

[tranquil copper]

noicew

[vivid spire]

Do I have to upgrade str for melee

Or can I just do dex

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AUGH

[vivid spire]

And if I’m doing dex faith should I split it evenly

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depends on if you're gonna by swinging a weapon more or casting spells more

[tranquil copper]

depends on your infusion

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also that

[tranquil copper]

and the base weapon

[vivid spire]

Quality

Milady

[tranquil copper]

quality wants both then

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then you shouldn't bother with faith

like at all

for quality

that's pure melee

[tranquil copper]

if you see that it gets an A or S with either on a Sharp or Heavy infusion

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and you need both strength and dex for it

[tranquil copper]

then use that

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Keen, not Sharp

[tranquil copper]

if you're using a flame art infusion, then Str Faith iirc

sry still using 3's term

wh

i pressed the button though :(

final boss name spoilers but 1 summon causes this to happen to his hp lmfao

I had to take a pic as I lay dying

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I feel like I'm starting to learn to dodge

gonna refactor my build a tad @tranquil copper

just talismans

[tranquil copper]

o7

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gonna try rolling only

https://tenor.com/view/morpheus-believe-neo-beginning-to-believe-gif-5399492

me rn

[tranquil copper]

we got this

we super got this

the rot in phase 1 is super consistent, im saving freeze pots for phase 2

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fuck it i am double-sealinmg

erdtree seal in main hand gravel stone in off

[twilit path]

UH. Walking down this catacomb and literally laughed out loud

[tranquil copper]

fuck

I thought he finished

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I know that feeling

I wish fromsoft weren't too cowardly to put in a Dark Wood Grain Talisman

I'd kill for something like that rn

[tranquil copper]

i thought i found one but

it doesn't do anything 😔

[glossy delta]

Crucible Feather Talisman :3
Are you brave enough

[tranquil copper]

well

we made it to 30%

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@tranquil copper new attack!

[tranquil copper]

I know because thats the healthgate for that lmao

the second he ||begins jumping|| we want to ||run to the far edge away from wherever he jumped|| as he's going to ||impact from the fog gate onto that point||

last attempt for me

got hot food and need to login after

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god we've got phase 1 so on lock

[tranquil copper]

last last attemtp

last last last attempt

im not coping

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me neitherr

[tranquil copper]

its so fuckin weird not having his clones go THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK when he jumps

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waitn' on ur summon sign

[tranquil copper]

replacing

wait holup idea

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whae

im listenin'

[tranquil copper]

nah sorry im trying to see fi theres a helmet that can boost my gimmick

there is not 😔

lets go

[frail ferry]

yep every cheese i try to use is just ineffective

gotta take him on legit

one shots latenna

elemental damage for the bois

[vivid spire]

I have twelve fragments so far

I want to get the Scaduview fragment but I don’t know how

[vivid spire]

It’s for blackflame

[tranquil copper]

LETS GOOO

WE DID IT

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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

LAST FUCKING TRY

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[steel scroll]

i can consistently get to phase 2 of the final boss now but i just cant hit them after the phase change.
gotta throw in the towel for today, i dunno when i'll get back to it since dawntrail is approaching

[mellow silo]

Just beat Messmer twice in a row as a summon

[steel scroll]

ough gg

[mellow silo]

We are so winning

[tranquil copper]

best time to get through it I need to go launch 14 now

[vivid spire]

Current build

What should I change

[mellow silo]

Why double sealed?

[vivid spire]

Offhand buffs and just in case if I switch in a panic click

Should I do a 30 30 dex fai split

[vestal night]

I feel like with this much Fth you'd be better off adding an infusion to scale with that instead of quality

[tranquil copper]

^ e.g. flame art or holy

[vivid spire]

Undecided on Wings or Flame Skewer

Edit

I just did wing stance with faith scaling

[vivid spire]

Is there a reason I shouldn’t do a 30/30 split

[tranquil copper]

all stats have a hard spike in effectiveness at 40/60/80 with 80 being the softcap for the last effective spike

so going 40/20 is better than 30/30 if the 40 is in whatever the weapons best scaling stat is

my b, im wrong on the after 60 front

but str is just an example they had some numbers for

[vivid spire]

FUCK

I am switching to Bloodflame

That’ll do it

Invest a little bit into Arcane

Could Fai/Dex\Arc work

Or is that too much of a bad stat spread

Hmm

Naginata just isn’t doing enough

Bloodflame works when it wants to really

Please help yall

[mellow silo]

Goddamn Scathutree fragments really add up

[vivid spire]

🫠I have 12 fragments

Why isn’t it working

Nothing I do is working the fucker just doesn’t die

I don’t wanna respec again

If I do it would make the 60 faith less good

[mellow silo]

At +3 earlier I was megastruggling against Rellana, and now at +12 I walked in there and killed her first try with just a mimic

[vivid spire]

Fai/dex/arc seems bad

Too many spread out stats

Yall can someone help

I can’t decide what to do

God

She killed me as soon as I wing stanced

[tranquil copper]

answering a few in one with this one but:

• as mentioned I was around +14 for her
• when *you mentioned naginata I assumed nagakiba from base game - can't tell if thats it in your hands or not hence me mentioning
• status weapons if you're using them for status want a multi-hit move that doesn't have nerfed status application - that's why I recommended double slash because it has exactly that - wild strikes is also an option potentially not sure
• Fai/Dex/Arc is a very big split, if you're going for the status of bloodflame you want just the min faith to wield it and maximised arc from there - if you're doing other stuff you obvs want the faith

[vivid spire]

I’m using milady

[vernal imp]

Is there any better source for Elden ring game info than fextralife?

Like maps, locations or things. I know of tarnished.dev for the numbers side.

[tranquil copper]

maps wise there's mapgenie but that's slower to update than some others - ign usually has decent location guides out

raw numbers wise tarnished.dev is news to me but i'll probably find is where most of the numbers on fextra come from

huh apparently not

[vernal imp]

I think for str if you two hand diminishing returns start at 54

[tranquil copper]

should start at 40 for 2handing

as its a 1.5x mult, so 40 becomes 60 which is where it starts

[vernal imp]

Yeah

54 gets you the 80

I never do more than 54 tbh

[tranquil copper]

I mainly did it for the one hand because of how I was wielding the crusher :')

[vernal imp]

Ah makes sense

[tranquil copper]

needs 60 to onehand and if I need a shield perma in the other hand cant 2hand it

[vernal imp]

My current dude is 200 and str/faith. He isn’t super minmaxed tbh

Mostly I focus on weapons but if I don’t get to sling spells too I feel sad lol

[vivid spire]

Isn’t it like

The higher the level the harder time you’ll have

[tranquil copper]

no?

your level is just a total of all your stat points. It gets harder to level but it doesnt increase the difficulty any

the 120-150 entry-level was a recommended minimum range to be in before entering the dlc so you don't immediately get rocked by the first hostile thing

[vivid spire]

I meant for the dlc

Oh ok

[tranquil copper]

bc at that level you should have 40+ vig (pref 50+), a high attacking stat, and decent End/Mnd

I went in on 180 iirc and finished on 209

[vivid spire]

You finished

I keep doing bad with melee

[tranquil copper]

yeah, wasn't easy though - I went for basically 7h each day

[vivid spire]

Getting stun locked by even basic enemies

It’s infuriating ngl

I go in for a dive and got too greedy

Romina has killed me a dozen times already so I’m trying to farm

[tranquil copper]

just have to get used to waiting out a window for most enemies is all

[vivid spire]

My faith lowered to 52 and arc to 20

[tranquil copper]

some are easier than others, the kindred of rot I'm going to guess you're fighting are a massive pita for melee usually

[vivid spire]

I can FEEL the debuff

All to get my arc to 20

[tranquil copper]

same goes for any of the hornsent or fire knights in the dlc

way way way too much poise

[vivid spire]

Ancient Dragon Lignting strike doesn’t one shot albinaruics anymore

I’ll see how I do fighting bayle

[real shadow]

Fucking...you can throw pots into the baskets of the wickermen.

[vivid spire]

The katana is too fucking slow

I got bodied

Ancient Dragon Lightning Strike did pitiful damage

Bayle is fast

[tranquil copper]

which part of the moveset are you using?

if you gimme a sec I'll take a trip over to the boss and demo what I mean

would you prefer I stream it or record and upload it

also @frozen olive drop me an @ with what you need me to spawn while I do the run over to the peak

[vivid spire]

Igon did jack shit lmao

“He’s good”

BAYLE IS COMPLETELY FOCUSED ON ME.

[tranquil copper]

he's good when he doesnt bug out

[vivid spire]

He did NOTHING.

[tranquil copper]

yes thats the bug

[vivid spire]

I got no time to do scarlet rot or bleed or anything

And still got bodied

I’m not sure how others got him with the lightning

Because it did nothing on him

Bayle should be the easiest of the Roadblocks

[tranquil copper]

if this is me mentioning magic/lightning earlier I thought you were still talking about messmer

[vivid spire]

Oh

Someone else said Bayle was weak to ancient dragon lightning

🫠fuck I hate going off to do other shit

But I’m making no progress at all

[tranquil copper]

believe that ancient dragon lightning comment was in regards to other non-lightning dragons

[vivid spire]

I have 12 fragments it should be enough!!!

I’ve been grinding for hours!!!

[vivid spire]

Hmmmm

[tranquil copper]

300 of each good?

[frozen olive]

sounds fine

[vivid spire]

The wiki says

[tranquil copper]

sweet

[vivid spire]

Bayle is strong against bleed

But yall said to use bleed

[tranquil copper]

I'll spawn those in once I finish this boss to get to the peak

[frozen olive]

👍

whereabouts should i be for summoning

[tranquil copper]

if he is it really doesn't matter if you apply it correctly, I got 4 bleeds and 3 frosts

[tranquil copper]

just lmk where to go - I'll be on the peak shortly

but I can go to final boss door too

[frozen olive]

we can do final boss door

what password?

or do we do a dueling thing or what

[tranquil copper]

you pick one, I'll input it - I'll need to relaunch the game after closing my toolbox anyway

[vivid spire]

I…

Fuck I’m gonna stop

[mellow silo]

How do I get to that middle right map section?

[vivid spire]

Why am I not progressing???

[frozen olive]

Cheese1 for password

[vivid spire]

I don’t fucking know anymore I’m gonna go do something else

Maybe i really should have saved 40 bucks

[tranquil copper]

because you're getting worked up over it and that's affecting your mental. Give it a bit, come back and just treat it as if you're trying to learn a new instrument

have patience for your mistakes and don't assume you're going to instantly match anything else you've seen. You can always do it, you just need to give it time

[mellow silo]

Not seeing any paths on my map so I assume it's some underground path or something

[umbral portal]

Where you trying to go

[tranquil copper]

is it the bit under Fort of Reprimand?

if so then yes, its got a completely separate path you need to take - try finding Darklight Catacombs

[vivid spire]

I've been doing that for three days

[junior spade]

gotta do some classic cliff platforming

[mellow silo]

Darklight Catacomb... And where might that be?

[vivid spire]

Come back and try and improve

[tranquil copper]

under bonny village-ish

[vivid spire]

but.. the result is the same despite getting more fragments

[junior spade]

beating the dlc in 3 days would be quite a feat

[vivid spire]

Yeah but like

Y'all are doing it

[junior spade]

its okay to go at your pace

[real shadow]

Yeah honestly do NOT compare your progress to anyone else, here or otherwise.

[tranquil copper]

3 days isn't a lot of time if you're not grooving with it! Just because other people are going faster doesn't mean you have to match pace and just because others are going slower or being walled by bosses you've already got over in this time doesn't mean you should slow down - pick your pace, find your groove - we can offer advice on how numbers slot together but if you don't like the mouth-feel of it then that doesn't matter because you're not going to enjoy using it or have a good time doing it

[mellow silo]

Under as in south? Or under those bridges

[real shadow]

I haven't beaten it yet and I'm just going at my own pace and having fun with it.

[mellow silo]

Which is also a place idk how to get to

[tranquil copper]

sotuh

[umbral portal]

Sotuh

[tranquil copper]

get to the ||ruins of unte|| iirc its the ||coffin hidden in shadow keep||

[tranquil copper]

tiremd and typing fast while trying to speedrun to bayle dead

[vivid spire]

oh

[umbral portal]

Minor spelling mistake

[tranquil copper]

yeah like, you making it past ||rellana||? That's walled so many people so far

[mellow silo]

A thing I don't know how to get to from a thing I don't know how to get to from a thing I don't know how to get to

I love Elden Ring

[tranquil copper]

you're already in the upper crust with where you made it, take a sec to breath and find your groove again

[mellow silo]

Alright time to find a coffin

[real shadow]

Multiple people here got bodied by her whereas I got her first try; conversely, I struggled against ||Messmer|| and other people here found him a cakewalk. And that makes it a highly individual experience.

[tranquil copper]

you want the exact spot?

[mellow silo]

Yes

[tranquil copper]

exactly!

[real shadow]

Hell I know people who thought Orphan of Kos being a cakewalk and I'm like

bro what

[tranquil copper]

||ok on the bit with the like burning coffins before the research archives, there's a ladder off to the left coming from said archives - alternatively on your right from the hippo room shortcut, go down that and behind one of the first waterfalls you should find an entrance to the coffin place||

[frozen olive]

@tranquil copper i've got the password dialed in and i'm ready whenever

[twilit path]

wow they're pretty heavy handed with the hints here in the forest huh

[tranquil copper]

sry I got very sidetracked, gimme a few more

[frozen olive]

absolutely no problem at all

[mellow silo]

Oh yeah I remember that spot

[umbral portal]

The Signs don't lie, those things can see

[mellow silo]

I told myself id explore it later and never did

[twilit path]

Oh for sure they can... which i feel like I don't need the "dont dead open inside" graffiti haha

[tranquil copper]

getting Igon's summon so I can do an accurate demo, once I get the grace after I'll spawn the items and go online because its a short run to bayle from there

[vivid spire]

Hmm

I wanna learn about Rellana’s lore she’s pretty

[glossy delta]

I've learned a dark secret about that spooky forest
||Apparently the 'stealth around them' spooky winter lantern guys can be parried, and if you riposte them after the parry they actually do die||

[umbral portal]

Yeah that's always fun

[junior spade]

this was the funniest part of the game to have multiplayer notes on

[tranquil copper]

||yes, although you may need more hits||

[vivid spire]

Zulie did an unmasking of helmeted characters in the base game and turns out Sellen and a lot of characters are really pretty

[mellow silo]

Coffin found

Time to venture

[junior spade]

Have Fun Be Strong

[mellow silo]

Fun? Certainly. Strong? Nope

[junior spade]

im making real progress on (Final Boss), got them down to the last 1/4th 💪 maybe a few more days and ill get it

[tranquil copper]

@frozen olive what grace am i going to? Making the stuff now

[twilit path]

oh I bet people are going ham around these haha

[tranquil copper]

also if there's anything else you want lmk now plz

[real shadow]

I'm wondering if she's gonna unmask Rellana, or if she even has a face modeled under the helm.

[junior spade]

so many ||"oh i want to go homes" and my favorite, "HORSE? HORSE?"||

[frozen olive]

The final boss one

Password is Cheese1

[tranquil copper]

roger, be there in 5m tops

[vestal night]

"Still no horse ahead" 😔

[twilit path]

rip

[frozen olive]

👍

[umbral portal]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hell-neigh-oh-hell-nah-oh-hell-no-horse-white-horse-gif-15999544917427275226

[atomic jetty]

fucken hell mesmer is playing dirty

controller bugged and vibrated the entire fight @_@

[mellow silo]

You want help?

[atomic jetty]

no no, i beat him

just my hands are shaking now

cause the controller vibrated the whole attempt

shield and spear worked wonderfully

as long as you can dodge the two attacks that counter that

[umbral portal]

Kill things until they die

[tranquil copper]

btw @frozen olive you want me to help with the final boss any seeing as im free for a bit now

mainly asking so I place the right sign down

[frozen olive]

We could do a few tries

[tranquil copper]

o7 gold sign down at the grace

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@tranquil copper fuck maybe I should've just done this ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oIqSV0zx1k||

look at this he makes it look like nothing

[tranquil copper]

lions claw is a coin flip

[mellow silo]

Found Oceans Of Blood

[junior spade]

YOOOO I DID IT

DLC BEATEN

[mellow silo]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[tranquil copper]

eey gz

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you mean ||Rakshasa's Great Katana?||

[vivid spire]

Brilliant idea

Shadow of the Erdtree: Slice of Life Romcom

[umbral portal]

I do like the Elden Ring memes about family hijinks tbh

Also

[mellow silo]

Lmao

Actually made me laugh irl

[twilit path]

INCREDIBLE I had no idea that was a thing

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all the Smithscript Weapons have heavy attacks where you just huck the thing

[mellow silo]

Yes lol

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including the Smithscript Greathammer

[twilit path]

I gotta get me one

[tranquil copper]

that was a great first attempt!

[junior spade]

i gotta say Ansbach is now my fave NPC, what a chad

[frozen olive]

yeah

sorry for doing utterly dogshit damage

[tranquil copper]

signs up by the fog this time

[frozen olive]

i thought the lightning would do more

[tranquil copper]

my damage is no better

[umbral portal]

On that note

[frozen olive]

lemme just check if i can put something else together real quick

[tranquil copper]

im hard crutching on rot phase 1 and frost procs phase 2

[frozen olive]

i think i'll do destined death and blackflame

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I haven't but Ansbach is okay

[tranquil copper]

my b on the opener there

was crafting more frost pots and needed to put em back on bar

[frozen olive]

nah it's fine

[tranquil copper]

nah I jobbed 2 flasks thats not fine

makes phase 2 harder for no reason

[tropic stream]

So I beat ||Scorpion River Catacombs||

[tranquil copper]

ready to go again

[frozen olive]

my weapon setup was kinda wacky

[tropic stream]

And you wanna know the bitch of it Freyja?

I didn't find the spell!

XD

[frozen olive]

need to get used to the shield cancelling my ability to use ash on my main

[frozen olive]

lmao

[tranquil copper]

my weapon setup is less wacky than my first clear now

I still yearn for the hammer but it just isn't feasible in multiplayer

2/3 guard counters becomes 5

[twilit path]

damn gaius is wrecking me

[tranquil copper]

barricade shield

[frozen olive]

i have uplifting aromatics which should help

[tranquil copper]

I linked a vid above but he has some bugged hitboxes

[tranquil copper]

save em for yourself im good on that front

[junior spade]

If anyone needs help / a summon for any of the DLC bosses, feel free to hmu, I feel confident at all but one of them now

[twilit path]

I dont have any of the non DLC weapon arts/weapons/trinkets lmao

which is making this harder

[frozen olive]

oof, that was thing

[tranquil copper]

you really wanna go back and get those ima be real

[frozen olive]

tried to get my shield out but i didn't get it in time

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the final one?

is that the one you don't feel confident with?

[tranquil copper]

mood I meant to block the sky rocks and just didnt raise in time

[frozen olive]

give me a moment

[tranquil copper]

o7 no rush

[junior spade]

nah the one i dont feel confident with is the ||Scadutree Avatar, fuck that guy||

[tranquil copper]

bring fire

lots and lots of fire

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that one was fine for me lmao

what Fwuffy said

fire fire fire fire fire

I used Black Flame specifically

[tranquil copper]

40 faith Flame of the Fell God fully charged did 9k

and its v easy to spawncamp it with

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for that sweet, sweet percent damage

[junior spade]

oh i know fire works

i just hate him

[tranquil copper]

Giantsflame Take Thee also works great

[junior spade]

i do not want to fight him

[mellow silo]

Id ask Romina but I'm not confident yet in my ability to not immediately die

[paper badge]

giantsflame was good but I went with Black Flame because a) it's already weak to fire and b) my faith was at 50

[frozen olive]

ok i'm back

[tranquil copper]

wb

[paper badge]

and I wanted that percentile damage

[frozen olive]

need to fix my talismans but i'll summon you

[tranquil copper]

o7 np, as I said tyt

im going to get more daring in phase 1 to see if we can push to 50% for phase transition rather than 60

[frozen olive]

ye

[tranquil copper]

its time

[mellow silo]

How much damage are you guys getting out of your weapons?

[tranquil copper]

for which boss

[mellow silo]

Unbuffed I've got about 1500

[mellow silo]

Just in your status page

[tranquil copper]

ahhk

[frozen olive]

i have 19 furcalling fingers left

[tranquil copper]

r1 is a paritzan, r2 is the hammer 1handed

[tranquil copper]

i forgor to make more of those after handing some off earlier 😔

[twilit path]

I should probably go find more +7 and actually upgrade my weapon

been doin this shit on hard mode lmao

[junior spade]

id agree with you that is hard mode

[mellow silo]

Yeah go grab that bell bearing off of the Godskin Duo

[paper badge]

have you tried Smithscript Greathammer?

[tranquil copper]

you got this freyja!

[tranquil copper]

also no, dont quite have the stats for it

this char was originally an astrologer

so missing some faith on current spec

[twilit path]

Return to the base game?! NEVER. I am going to look up if any DLC enemies drop +7s tho

[junior spade]

freyja freyja freyja (victory chanting time)

[frozen olive]

i did not got it, but i got a better idea of what to do

[tranquil copper]

worth then

[paper badge]

how'd you feel about encountering an NPC with ur name anyhow

[twilit path]

ooh, i guess castle ensis guys drop them

[frozen olive]

it was interesting

going to slot 2 headed turtle and viridian amber +3 cause the shield is actually a game changer

[tranquil copper]

o7

[frozen olive]

my survivability goes up by the utmost when i have it

[junior spade]

my boss strategy ended up being ||big shield with sword lance to poke a lot, with a lot of magic/holy resist stacked on for phase 2||

meant to spoiler some of that

[tranquil copper]

fucked up that he gets ||physical, magical, holy and fire damage all in one boss||

[twilit path]

perfection

[junior spade]

its a lot!! funny enough the attack that always hurts most is ||those dang meteors||

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jokes on him ||lightning is my favorite damage type aesthetically||

[vivid spire]

I should do Elden Ring fics again

My silly romance ones did numbers

[paper badge]

the DLC will

give you ammunition

for that

[vivid spire]

really

[twilit path]

an extra 144 attack. Not bad.

[paper badge]

it is complicated and messy and weird

[vivid spire]

Oh

I just wanted to simp for Leda/Rellana/Dunno yet

Miquella uhh

I don’t want to tell Malenia the bad news

But I also don’t know what’s happening

[tranquil copper]

so close

[frozen olive]

damn that was really well played

[tranquil copper]

we nearly got it

[frozen olive]

so close

yeah!

i need to be better about dodging so i have more estus

well

[tranquil copper]

im hard crutching the deflect tear

[frozen olive]

tear flasks

[tranquil copper]

i cant dodge certain attacks

but i CAN deflect them

[frozen olive]

i'll slot frozen lightning so i can help with ice

[paper badge]

I used Bloodhound Step at first

because I felt like that was the only way I could reliably dodge

[frozen olive]

shield is actually

just insane

[paper badge]

but then I internalized the dodge pattern

and managed to mid-roll it out

[frozen olive]

i still need to dodge but i can tank a lot of stupid strong attacks

just

eat the entire hit

[tranquil copper]

yeah the issue is if he does a combo

like a full combo WILL guard break you

[frozen olive]

absolutely

[paper badge]

@tranquil copper still amazingly proud we pulled it off on the last attempt before your FFXIV wedding stuff

[frozen olive]

i try to dodge and guard combined

[tranquil copper]

yeah that run was amazing

[frozen olive]

cause even if you dodge like one or two swings he won't burst you down

[tranquil copper]

we should get this in the next 30m I think depending on how he treats our entrance rng

[frozen olive]

yeah

[paper badge]

i wonder if bloodhound step works with a shield well

[frozen olive]

fucking hell

[tranquil copper]

lmao

solid final boss moment

[frozen olive]

my shield absolutely refused to come out

and he did not give for even a second

[tranquil copper]

sometimes he just

chooses ultra violence

[vivid spire]

Hmmm

Morality of dating Malenia is up for debate

[atomic jetty]

i have found the from soft public transportation

[vivid spire]

Is that the uh

River downstream

[frozen olive]

i really still feel like i'm doing extremely poor damage in phase 2

[tranquil copper]

no he just has like

a fuckzillion hp

and the phase 2 transition is at around 65% of the total hp

[frozen olive]

damn

[tranquil copper]

||version we're fighting has 75k hp||

so even if you do 1k per swing

it still takes a ridiculous amount of swings for how many openings you get

[frozen olive]

yeah

fuck sake

he did that two times in a row

[tranquil copper]

he hates you a lot

yeah no so

I think I got the tell for that finally

[frozen olive]

he really really does not like me no

[tranquil copper]

if he does spin slam > jump he's going to do another spin slam

100% of the time

[frozen olive]

it's hard cause black blade takes a while to get off so i can only get like one hit at a time

i could try doing something with bleed but i don't know if i am good enough to fight him close range

[tranquil copper]

honestly, don't sweat black blade for phase 2

focus surviving, frost, and chip damage from distance

[junior spade]

i relied on bleed

[tranquil copper]

I'll do my best to keep his aggro on me and get counter hits and such ('s what im built around) and if you have a fire spell of any kind it resets frost bar for more frost

[frozen olive]

||rellana's sword didn't do so much so i think incantations have to be the way||

[tranquil copper]

I have enough pots that with the spear +3 pots I can get a freeze, if he lands a grab I can get 2/3 hoarfrosts off and that should be another freeze off my remaining 4 pots

acutally

tempted to try someth dumb

[frozen olive]

yeah?

[tranquil copper]

in phase 1 after rotting I'm going to try sleeping him

even if its only a stagger thats free damage

phase 2 it definitely wont work

he's immune to rot phase 2 so I don't see why sleep would be different when he has ||the patron saint of sleep on his back||

[frozen olive]

||but he doesn't though? St.Trina isn't there||

||Miquella excised her from himself||

[tranquil copper]

||I mean fair but you get what I mean right - it shouldn't work for an obvious reason||

[junior spade]

(marvel movie voice) try telling him that

[tranquil copper]

||ig half the patron saint of sleep is more accurate||

[frozen olive]

yeah it does make some sense

going to try using spells main hand so i can have better uptime on shield

[tranquil copper]

o7

ok so

[frozen olive]

yeah?

[tranquil copper]

sleep pots DEFINITELY dont work phase 2

[frozen olive]

yeah

[tranquil copper]

I dumnked 12 in him, 3 missed but

[frozen olive]

makes sense

unfortunately

[tranquil copper]

9 pots at 300 each?

and no sleep?

That's an immunity

[frozen olive]

how many pot mats do you have, i can try running them as well if it would help

[tranquil copper]

no like

the highest resistant mob in the game for sleep is 2.1k

even with the dlcs fucked up scalings that wont have changed

[frozen olive]

no not for sleep

[tranquil copper]

oh for frost

7 max

[frozen olive]

i have 6 on me atm

[tranquil copper]

they use ritual pots unfortunately

yeah thats enough that with pots alone we can get like 2.5 freezes

[frozen olive]

should be use them in phase 2

[tranquil copper]

ye

[frozen olive]

cause rot and destined death seems to work just fine

for the first

[tranquil copper]

phase 1 we can do without freezes

[frozen olive]

aight

[tranquil copper]

if we get one its neat bc his resistances full reset in 2 like godrick

if we dont oh well

no biggie

[frozen olive]

ye

[tranquil copper]

as a heads up

if he has the frosty aura around him he needs a fire hit to reset or for the frosty aura to go away

[frozen olive]

ahh

[tranquil copper]

unlike bleed frost isnt an instant reset unfortunately

np

[frozen olive]

right right

i'll throw blackflame

[tranquil copper]

o7

[vivid spire]

Hmm

Out of the Four Roadblocks

[frozen olive]

only have mats for one more ice pot but i can reset the frost with black flame

[vivid spire]

Would the Scadutree Avatar be easiest

[tranquil copper]

imo yes

because it has an insane weakness to fire

[vivid spire]

It’s so fast

But does it lead to anything worthwhile

[junior spade]

yes

well

its got a very good lore item / item that becomes useful for a thing later

[vivid spire]

Oh

And fragments i assume

[tropic stream]

hehehe

funni lightning spear

[frozen olive]

i really need to practice just surviving

[tranquil copper]

completely fair

[frozen olive]

i think i need to go to bed now but thanks for all the help!

[tranquil copper]

a lot of the stuff he's doing rn is just phase 1 50 50s

np

[frozen olive]

i think i've learned a lot

[tranquil copper]

gl w/ further attempts, the WILL be easier for you without me

[frozen olive]

ty

[tranquil copper]

because while I help somewhat in damage im not quite up to the 50% buff i provide him with

[frozen olive]

and yeah i figure, was still fun playing :)

[tranquil copper]

also uuuh

if you go weapon route

[frozen olive]

ye?

[tranquil copper]

colossal weapons break him in 2/3 guard counters, or 2/3 lions claws

at least for p1

[frozen olive]

good to know

[tranquil copper]

dunno about p2 bc i didnt have much luck with either for that

but useful for p1

[frozen olive]

i think honestly black knife should be more than enough to just melt him in p1

[tranquil copper]

ok time to go get some footage of bayle

[frozen olive]

yes yes

[tranquil copper]

I dont recommend her because she doesn't have a survivability tool

[frozen olive]

no like

the weapon

[tranquil copper]

OH

my b

[frozen olive]

blade of death good

well, for p1 anyway

[tranquil copper]

yee

[frozen olive]

it seemed to fall off on p2 for understandable reasons

[tranquil copper]

oh

oh no I just learned something cursed

[frozen olive]

?

[tranquil copper]

hgnnnn

[frozen olive]

damn

[tranquil copper]

its a malenia situation

it'd be so fucking worth it tho...

I hate being right about "I'm going to need to slot parry on my chosen weapon for ng+1"

[frozen olive]

i can consistently hit phase 2 now at least

my damage is still lacking

my main problem is just

a lack of anything that actually hurts this boss sufficiently

[tranquil copper]

its why i made the guard counter build

1.5k to 2k off giant crusher guard counter when safe

[frozen olive]

yeah

[tranquil copper]

total of ~ 14 hits to kill as a result

its excrutiating getting them

[frozen olive]

my friend just used massive bleed damage iirc

[tranquil copper]

but its doable

yuh makes sense

[frozen olive]

i'm tempted to do it too

[tranquil copper]

i dont see a way to get him open long enough to keep procs going si the issue

[frozen olive]

but i'll stick with this for a bit longer

[tranquil copper]

if you can do it then fuckin do it

imo

but i dont see a way to

[frozen olive]

my friend managed it somehow

[junior spade]

i did bleed with ||sword spear + moore shield||

[tranquil copper]

also @vivid spire got a ||bayle|| through for you - the attacks will hit you harder and the grab will most likely kill you if it lands but this is what I was reccing to do. You just swap the firespark bottle for any fire incantation to reset the freeze proc || https://youtu.be/_-YbPPEnSiw ||

as scadutree blessing doesn't impact status buildup

so majority of my damage is from statuses

[vivid spire]

Ooh ok

[atomic jetty]

me: the warnings are clearly exagerated
me 5 seconds later: the warnings are clearly not exagerated

[junior spade]

lmaoooo

[tranquil copper]

what warnings?

[umbral portal]

The Abyss, I take it?

[tranquil copper]

oh lmao

[atomic jetty]

yes

[umbral portal]

it happens

stay in the bushes

[junior spade]

horse? horse?

[vivid spire]

Wait what's the abyss

[umbral portal]

you'll get there

[atomic jetty]

its the abyss :)

[vivid spire]

Do I need to fight a boss to get to it

I have a feeling it's that

[umbral portal]

No, actually

But the less you know the better

[vivid spire]

oh

[atomic jetty]

i fought a boss to get in, but there might be other ways?

[tranquil copper]

uuuh you do need to fight 1 boss but its not like

super required?

[umbral portal]

yeha but like

a dungeon boss

[tranquil copper]

ooooh

I just had ER crash

[umbral portal]

not a rememberence one iirc

[tranquil copper]

thats a first

oh well, I got everything I needed done on this file

time to retire it

oh yeah right

because im going through base game atm i can just

play offline

without EAC

praise be

[umbral portal]

why does crashing mean new save file

[atomic jetty]

oh im fully playing the dlc offline too

i dont want any invaders

[umbral portal]

I'm banned from online

so yeah

[old brook]

:|a you only get invaded in co-op

[atomic jetty]

well i dont coop either

so works for me

[old brook]

but silly messages! seeing ghosts of people get slapped to hell!

[umbral portal]

I got banneed like 3 months ago for using a save editor to level up quickly

[junior spade]

the messages are an essential part of the fromsoft experience for me

[umbral portal]

and now I gotta wait like

another 3 months

though I can still see messages and blood pools and phantoms just fine

[frozen olive]

i could respec rn and just drop like 90 points into arcane and just destroy this shit but i wanna try to skill it for a bit more

[tranquil copper]

Lmao the from ninjas came for my internet everything on the pc can't connect

[frozen olive]

more tomorrow if i have time

[stone cove]

Oof. This is why we do this offline

[tranquil copper]

Anyway as I was trying to say it's because I did things to my save file to go from limgrave at the start of journey 2 to final boss of the dlc to help people out @umbral portal

[umbral portal]

ah, fair

[tranquil copper]

While theoretically everything I did was completely safe and done offline I also probably bricked a few flags when I was forced to unlock all graces to get to a specific place with the correct flags on to kill starscourge radahn to unlock the dlc

[umbral portal]

I never played anything online either, I think ER just detects if you use a save editor and bans you pre-emptively

[tranquil copper]

It depends on your save editing method

[umbral portal]

well, online in the sense of multiplayer

[tranquil copper]

so its safer to just retire it

The mega shop for example off nexus mods is in their completely safe, some of the cheat table methods to spawn items are safe

[stone cove]

I use a save editor all the time

[tranquil copper]

Oh hey my pc messages just went thru

[umbral portal]

Regardless I'm banned for another 3 months

[stone cove]

never got banned

But i only edit items

[umbral portal]

and yeah I used the Nexus version

cause I'm lazy

[stone cove]

So if i want to level up, i just give myself a crap ton of hero's runes or similar

[tranquil copper]

The thing is if you don't launch without eac it detects you doing stuff

So I'm guessing you forgot to do that and eac got mad

[umbral portal]

makes sensze

[tranquil copper]

there we go can finally talk without mobile

but yeah, to be safe because you never know what EAC thinks it sees (there's been a load of people who got EAC to false flag them for "inappropriate activity" that they then fix by literally just relaunching) I just went and voided the save file

shouldn't need it anymore anyway, and I have a backup from before I did anything

[vestal night]

the safest thing to do AIUI is to launch offline and without EAC, and then only add items

[tranquil copper]

yup

[vestal night]

so instead of editing your stats directly, just give yourself a bunch of rune consumables

and level up normally

[tranquil copper]

while cheat engines the most pain in the ass to install cleanly (thanks to the person that made it) its also the safest method

[vestal night]

they check more for edited stats and such than they do for "regular" items
just don't add any normally unavailable items

[tropic stream]

We out here (quest spoilers) ||helping the Pope of Fingering cuz his mom drops the one dual casting focus in the game||

[junior spade]

thats a fun one rhi have fun

[tropic stream]

Those hand enemies aggravate my arachnophobia alongside the general grossness they're meant to evoke, so

They are not fun xD

Also I have to fight ||Gaius|| who seems

Not fun?

[twilit path]

gonna tell my partner I got a new title

[tropic stream]

PFFFFFFFFFFFF

[mellow silo]

What the fuck. Giant Cannon Imp can go die

[tropic stream]

Oh wait I don't have to fight ||Pinecone Lord Bullbo||

Yay!

[twilit path]

ok, nap n dinner done, time to return with a new strat at commander boarman

oops all heavy

[junior spade]

that armor...

[frail ferry]

it looks like a sad farum set

[junior spade]

its the new havels

[umbral portal]

It's 100 poise

Which is nice

to have 100 poise armor that doesn't look like dogshit

[twilit path]

I reflexively rolled instead of blocked when he was at 5% 🫠

but yeah tons of poise. Not that it matters, if you get hit it still knocks you. BUT WHATEVER

[frail ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-laughter-gif-5848246

[tropic stream]

ouch

How good is (new spell) ||Glintstone Nail?||

[frail ferry]

https://fxtwitter.com/Josh_Ennis/status/1805037252080517436

[mellow silo]

Got to Abyss Forest

[tranquil copper]

||gaius has 5 scadutree frags behind him - and the bugged part of him is countered with 100 phys block barricade shield ash of war||

[frail ferry]

have fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

[mellow silo]

Holy mother of ominous messages

[tranquil copper]

not bad not great

[mellow silo]

Also got jumpscared when torrent just fucking died

[twilit path]

ok, 2nd try np np np

[junior spade]

||gaius|| just needs jump attacks, go kill that dude

[twilit path]

turns out BIG SHIELD often wins

[junior spade]

ez boss

[frail ferry]

hes fun if you fight him with torrent

[vestal night]

Been wondering about that myself

[tranquil copper]

as you wanted straight advice earlier (feel free not to unspoil this if you want to figure out the area gimmick) ||the winter lanterns can be parried in their grab to be riposted, after a riposte they're killable||

[tranquil copper]

damage isn't bad, tracking is either god tier or unusable no inbetween

[tropic stream]

In comparison to Cometshard?

[tropic stream]

apparently I don't have to fight him, I have to gesture at an altar

[tranquil copper]

worse raw damage, better fp consumption, potentially better tracking (situation dependant)

[twilit path]

holy mother of scadutree fragments

[tranquil copper]

the ||5 scadutree fragments are past the door on the left side of his arena where he spawned||

yeah as game just found

its another minimum 1, potentially 2 scadutree blessings just

clustered in 1 spot

[vivid spire]

Wait

[mellow silo]

||ok so this is madness area. Interesting. Wonder if me being already three fingered will effect anything||

[tranquil copper]

||they do not respawn||

[vivid spire]

So it’s not just me being knocked down with every hit

[tranquil copper]

no

bosses have like

3 "stages" of attack

there's "slap" which flinches you but that's it, there's "knock" which knocks you back but not flat on your ass, and there's "slam" which slams you flat on your ass

outside of Unblockable and Grab obviously

if you have more poise these values shift around, moreso if you do an attack that has super armor (example being Lion's Claw - or some colossal weapon r2s)

[vestal night]

Poise also just mostly doesn't do all that much in ER

[tranquil copper]

it does a lot if you're using a super armor attack just like dark souls 3

and it does a slight amount outside of that

but its no ds1 or 2 no

[vestal night]

It might make you not get flinched out of an animation if you get hit by a light attack

[tranquil copper]

no you can get hit by the "knock" tier and not get flinched out of it too, some of the "slam" tier also dont work if you have enough poise

[twilit path]

slowly climbing. Dunno what the max it but feels like I gotta be close.

[junior spade]

poise matters from my experience

[tranquil copper]

68 poise was enough for me to charged r2 through a good chunk of final boss's hits

and with Lion's Claw there were 3 attacks that would knock me out of it

[junior spade]

128 poise helped me crush a lot of the bosses

[tranquil copper]

and 2 you really dont want to be hit by anyway so only 1 really

[tranquil copper]

20

you're at the minimum to fight final boss rn, I'd rec 18+

[twilit path]

damn, that high?! I woulda guessed 18

[tranquil copper]

well, the "reasonable fight" minimum

its doable with lower but its not gonna be great

[twilit path]

I still have quite a few bosses I have done one attempt then just bounced on so should go clear 'em out now maybe

[tranquil copper]

probs a good idea

aight time to git gud and learn to parry

because I need it

I've been "gifted" a curse of knowledge

[tropic stream]

Also can I just say how much ||Multilayered Rings of Light|| fucks?

[vestal night]

I might flex into some incantations now

[tranquil copper]

wh

what the fuck

why can't ||dryleaf arts - either of them|| have parry put on them

they're literally a ||fist weapon||

[frail ferry]

hit em with the guile lv 1

[tranquil copper]

curse you from softwaareeeeee

[frail ferry]

ds1 is long past

[mellow silo]

Abyss ||Love how the only way Fromsoft could make us do a stealth mission is to literally make the enemies unkillable. Truly a souls player moment of all time, they knew we would just go on a murder rampage at the slightest opportunity||

[tranquil copper]

mhm. Mhm mhm

[frail ferry]

and take away our schmovement

[mellow silo]

How could they do this to us

[frail ferry]

i mean they did that with winter lanterns too

but they were just way too painstaking to kill

[twilit path]

one shot ||Midra|| on return (technically 2 shot I guess then?)

[kind garden]

You can still rampage.

[frail ferry]

i like him

[junior spade]

damn doctorgame is Gaming

[kind garden]

I got so mad I went on an extermination campaign against those things

[frail ferry]

i wish this game had sekiro boss rush

[mellow silo]

How do you even harm them

[twilit path]

I think rot time next.

[kind garden]

Parry 👍

[tranquil copper]

the bloodborne ones could just generally be killed

the abyss ones ||yeah you parry them - I mentioned it a bit up above in a diff spoiler||

[mellow silo]

Also now I need to make a Black Knife Armor drip

[kind garden]

This DLC really said “but actually get good though”

Several hard bosses are much more doable with parrying

[vivid spire]

Y'all

What do we recommend for Bayle/Romina

14 frags a

[kind garden]

I’d get some more scadutree blessing tbh

[vestal night]

Is the incantation from Midra good?

[frail ferry]

if you can manage the frnzy build yeah

[vestal night]

Feel like I have a higher chance of using that than the sword

[kind garden]

The sword is funny but idk if it’s strictly good

[frail ferry]

it seems the best str holy weapon is in the first area tbh

[kind garden]

Which one?

[vestal night]

The hammer?

[kind garden]

I’ve been using the giant flower

[tranquil copper]

||for bayle status. Showed exactly what I meant above, a weapon with dual slash/wild strikes is the best way to do it quickly. Alternatively dragonwound grease on the hardest hitting weapon you can find. For Romina faster spells/incants - e.g. fireball, black fireball, faster lightning spears etc. and or fast mid/long range melee weapons with a fire/flame art enchant. Holy should also work well but not 100%||

[kind garden]

Oh also Smithscript weapons are uh

Straight up broken

[frail ferry]

yeah darksteel great hammer

it gets buffed when given a sacred infusion

so sacred blade

[vestal night]

Does Holy infusing it does anything special?

[kind garden]

Darksteel GH is good too

[kind garden]

Monstrous damage

[twilit path]

aaand oneshot the rot.

With the SICKEST FINAL HIT

[mellow silo]

We stealth AF bois

[twilit path]

Leapt up with wing stance and knocked her ass down

[frail ferry]

and it has a dollarstore gold breaker on its guard counter

[kind garden]

Smithscript weapons have a similar property, they all have inherent INT and FAI scaling that stacks with an infusion AND potentially a buff

My Smithscript Axe has like 1500AR despite being a regular ass hand axe at +18 blessing

[vestal night]

Damn okay

[kind garden]

At uhh

50STR 60FAI with Flame Art

Smithscript Greathammer also nutty with it

[frail ferry]

oh i should try the axe

i had the spear as my fire weapon

[umbral portal]

I am obligated to repost this

[kind garden]

I tried doing hypermode stuff with the smithing talisman, axe talisman, two-handed talisman and fire scorpion

[mellow silo]

😌

[kind garden]

Was throwing 2500 damage hammers

[vestal night]

I should probably crawl through Ensis and get those swords

[kind garden]

Secret tip: hammer has melee hit boxes on the charged throw as you spin around

They proc all those talismans so you can explode your enemies by throwing the hammer point blank

[vivid spire]

Where's the spear

I may respect into int faith

[tropic stream]

If they are the swords of which I am thinking, yes you should

They are hilarious

Would you like Fire Giant flame spouts and a Transient Moonlight multihit combo?

[vivid spire]

It’s Ren’s swords right

[frail ferry]

damn the axe is stronger

and has the throwing jump heavy

[wild sierra]

its very cool

[vivid spire]

YEA

You know what

I’m gonna stick to my incant spam build

I will do what I love

But with a sword this time

[frail ferry]

and its faster

[vivid spire]

It is faster

I’ll use milady as a backup for now

But I beat the game with incantations and the indomitable human spirit

I’m gonna do it again

[frail ferry]

i was talking abut the axe but yea

[umbral portal]

is Milady good?

[vivid spire]

Oh

It’s very fun

But the damage for me at least is lackluster

[frail ferry]

put some bleed or ice on and it prob works

[twilit path]

wtf just a random ass ||tree sentinel||?!

[mellow silo]

Got to Midras Manse. Already pain

[kind garden]

Boss there is funny

[mellow silo]

Fuck the boss, I'm dying to the first horned warrior in that thin hallway

[tranquil copper]

its the only one in the place if you can get past it least iirc

[mellow silo]

Yay, I killed it

No thanks to the camera

[frail ferry]

yes, singular

[vivid spire]

Oh damn

My friend is still stuck on Rellana

[mellow silo]

I think I see midra

Fight time

Wow that first phase really is difficult

[vestal night]

truly a fight to rival ||Mist Noble||

[mellow silo]

Almost a match for ||Soldier Of God, Rick||

Almost

[tropic stream]

I swear I haven't spoiled myself on this

location spoilers ||chopped off golden braid that reduces holy damage, in a village right next to finger ruins, guarded by tree sentinels carrying her blessing||

||Marika is from here, isn't she?||

[mellow silo]

||yes||

[frail ferry]

read the incantation description

[tropic stream]

ow

[mellow silo]

Oof

[frail ferry]

mfw writers do their job

[vivid spire]

Hmm

Trying to think

[mellow silo]

Wait, that was it?

[vivid spire]

Faithsword or pure incant

[mellow silo]

That was the fight?

||midra was really easy tbh. Man just did not have it today||

[junior spade]

Very cool fight imo, one of my faves

Took me a few tries but he feels very Fair

[twilit path]

holy mother of F

incredible design

[umbral portal]

Where you at Doc

[twilit path]

the F stands for ||Fingies||

I am at (location name spoiler) ||Finger birthing Grounds?!?! ew||

[kind garden]

it's kinda gross, yeah!

[real shadow]

||THE SPECTRAL STEED IS FRIGHTENED AND CANNOT BE SUMMONED||

[frail ferry]

Ah the ||finger milf||

[kind garden]

THE HWHAT

[glossy delta]

That bosses lore is wild
||Greater will needs to take better care of its radio equipment 😔 ||

[frail ferry]

:)))))))

[twilit path]

nono, eeehh is correct.

Sadly.

[kind garden]

I mean

I WOULDN'T

but good for you guys

[twilit path]

everything is fine

[frail ferry]

For science

[twilit path]

I feel like I have pretty thoroughly explored most areas of the map now, except the one locked away ||post-messmer from the description I think?|| and aint finding more fragments. Hmmm....

[vivid spire]

Hmmm

Yall how should I make my faithblade build

Holy? Blackflame? Lightning?

[frail ferry]

The only thing post messmer is the obviously final area

[vivid spire]

It’ll use milady

[frail ferry]

Holy

[twilit path]

yeah, which means I def have mised some

[frail ferry]

It's fairly effective

[vivid spire]

What incantations

[twilit path]

Tempted to use a map at this point

[kind garden]

The magic of faithblade is you get to run whatever you need

[frail ferry]

I wouldn't even know which one I have got

[kind garden]

If one damage type isn't working you just rekit and move on to the next

[twilit path]

my memory is p damn good, so I figure I can just go off of that

[kind garden]

not quite

wait

no

[vivid spire]

How should I do dex faith split

20/40

[kind garden]

you can just leave through the back can't you

[frail ferry]

Yep

[kind garden]

fuckin' Souls games.

[frail ferry]

I left messmer for nearly last

[stone cove]

What are you running as a weapon?

Like there's so many possible fvairables here

[kind garden]

If you're doing Dex-Fai take 50 of each

[stone cove]

"Dex faith is" very broad

[vivid spire]

Milady or Black Knife

[kind garden]

I build for entire brackets of weapons rather than just one or two because I want the flexibility to switch to another weapon or gimmick if I need to change my playstyle

Armored Core brain at work

[stone cove]

Okay, so your options for Milady are Quality, Flame Art, Lighting, Sacred.

FLame Art gets E/D/C scaling (Str, dex, faith)

Lighting is just E/C scaling (Str, dex)

sacred is EDC

[twilit path]

(Miniboss spoilers) fighting this fuckin guy as I explore and then like WHAT THE HELL HOW IS HE DOING THAT

turns out I had made a friend nearby

[glossy delta]

Bro called in a napalm strike

[stone cove]

So your first decision point is this: Do you want to actually buff the weapon or not?