Got past Eris again. It's just Poly cost me my three DD's before that.
#HADES by Supergiant Games
placid thistle
oh boy, more enemies with shields...
why
they also removed the block from axe...
agony
the only h2 weapon i clicked with and they removed its block for a short ranged nothing move
to give it to the new weapon
;_;
at least the boss rules
||talos|| is fucking hard to read & dodge, though
only ran into them once so far
prime timber
I am once again sad that I am not Zagreus, with the ability to face-tank bullshit.
placid thistle
yeah i want to play zag with his kit again
but zerophet was probably my favorite weapon between the games and they obliterated it
prime timber
Have you gotten to try the new weapon yet?
placid thistle
no
dusty storm
honestly, the Axe's block was difficult to use, but it is unfortunate that it was just, fully removed
placid thistle
and the new rmb is just ass
bad range, mid damage, bad dps
really hope it's a placeholder for something actually useful
considering half the strength of the axe is the fact that it has super high range for a true melee
compared to the daggers
and most of the H1 melees
muted gull
but zerophet was probably my favorite weapon between the games and they oblitera...
honestly i didnt use the special like, at all when using zorophet
which is probably not optimal but i pretty much always just took a boon that buffs damage for attack (especially apollo) and went ham
placid thistle
apollo and aphro attacks are incredible on it yeah
but the old special was fantastic
and felt super smooth to just slide in between swings
muted gull
i probably needed to experiment with that more but i got too tunnel visioned on big numbers i was getting
i’ve been using a lot of pan daggers too
muted gull
sucks to hear :(
torches feel better now and i’m not sure why exactly
i haven’t used skull again yet because i really didn’t enjoy using it so i should probably have another try
placid thistle
hm
gone through most of the new story bits, and I'm really...not cheesed with the direction it's going, unless they pull the twist that they're also kind of signaling
worthy anchor
The special on the axe is really good if you get the Melting Shredder hammer
Absolutely takes down armor from enemies in no time flat
Also does well with Scorch or poseidon splashes, because it hits multiple times rapidly.
muted gull
i’m betting on typhon being what’s holding down most of the olympians at the peak but it seems perhaps a little obvious
like there’s something up there
placid thistle
if they don't pull the twists they're hinting and just keep going "status quo good, we are ontologically based and they are ontologically cringe" i will be deeply frustrated
but here's hoping
blazing shale
There does seem to be a lot of in-game discussion of Mortals and how they suffer under the gods, at least iirc
So it's entirely possible it ends with the game changing the Status Quo somehow
worthy anchor
I mean, ||Prometheus|| outright calls you Agent of Change.
blazing shale
True. And he's the titan of foresight
placid thistle
I mean, ||Prometheus|| outright calls you Agent of Change.
yeah, and as long as they don't go "change is only good when You, Member Of The Rightful Elite, deign to change it for the knaves' benefit" i'll be happyish with it
paper spire
I don't know how much grassroots change we'll have in the game about Gods and their Familial Drama
blazing shale
Same, plus there aren't really characters who are grassroots in the game
neat harbor
i wonder how they're gonna justify replays once you've beaten the game
blazing shale
That I am curious about too
neat harbor
the situation is a tad more dire than in hades 1
tacit tapir
i wonder how they're gonna justify replays once you've beaten the game
With chronos involved?
blazing shale
I mean yeah he has time powers but he's also the bad guy, and I don't see his redemption as being a thing on the table
neat harbor
well currently he always comes back because time titan and is immortal but presumably the situation will change when the story is over
blazing shale
also that yeah
neat harbor
perhaps they end up divorcing the world of gods and magic from the mortal world to stop them getting caught up in all the shit and just war on their own forever
not sure how satisfying that'll be though
dusty storm
if they *don't* pull the twists they're hinting and just keep going "status quo ...
there's like, absolutely no way that's how the story goes, tbh
like, Eris in general alone seems a big herald otherwise to us
that said, if this IS the way the story goes, we will, also, be frustrated
because that'd be really boring and wouldn't follow through on a lot of plot threads
worthy anchor
It'd be utterly shocking, yeah
dusty storm
Hecate also, love her, appreciate her, gives off some weird vibes
which, seems intentional.
Really, there's a lot of ground to cover before the game is done.
And we trust Supergiant.They're, like. Good writers.
prime timber
Eris does keep poking you about "So hey, why do you want things to go back to how they were before? You don't even know what it's like really!"
I also think my favorite hint towards change so far is Big C saying ||"Time does not go backwards" in response to Mel saying "You sent me here from the future" as part of pre-fight banter."||
blazing shale
Nemesis also points out that Mortals legitimately did have it better under Chronos, and wonders if this is just the turning of the wheel per se
Not that I think Chronos will win, so much as the Gods are kinda dicks regardless of what Chronos did
bold palm
I suspect there will be a true ending
When all is finished
But it certainly is hinting right to the face
prime timber
Nemesis also points out that Mortals legitimately *did* have it better under Chr...
Nem has a lot of thoughts like this. Including one I got last night. ||"You want to know the worst part about Prometheus? Go ahead and ask me if I think he deserved his punishment."||
bold palm
Icarus as well, saying that if things go back to how they were he'd have to go back to the underworld. It's definitely setting something up.
blazing shale
Nem has a *lot* of thoughts like this. Including one I got last night. ||"You wa...
Nemesis is the Johnny Silverhand of Hades
Sorta
Hercules also dislikes the gods but tbf that's nothing new
bold palm
Medea being very "Wow but suffering is so fun" is also pushing the conversation from the other side
prime timber
Now to be fair, Medea is also one of the worst people you have to work with
blazing shale
Also true
bold palm
Mel: "Wow you must really understand how to stop someone's suffering"
Med: "lmao no"
prime timber
One of her dialogue pieces is really fun in that regard.
blazing shale
Allison-core
prime timber
"Of course you have trouble with curses compared to me! You'd regret doing it. Me, I've never regretted anything in my life."
blazing shale
Sorta
But yeah, there's a lot of a recurring theme of "sure things are bad but is going back a good thing either?"
"Or even possible?"
bold palm
How to not have suffering you cause reflect back on to yourself: don't care
blazing shale
What would Allison Killsixbilliondemons do
bold palm
blazing shale
(The answer: Punch Chronos and Zeus)
paper spire
God, the intruments for the upper areas are absolutely killer
What a unique sound for Hades bwaa
bold palm
muted gull
Hecate also, love her, appreciate her, gives off some weird vibes
yeah she pretty reliably tells you ‘i have raised you as a tool your whole life and nurtured you for reasons other than that i care about you’ and clearly has a bit of guilt about it and i suspect if melinoe decides her own path that’s not ‘betray the gods and side with the titans’ she’ll probably support her if it still screws over chronos
but what i’m interested in is last game they kept the status quo for the gameplay the whole way through, the reasons for what the enemies are doing just shifted after the resolution. but here like, i don’t see a world chronos doesn’t get killed or near enough
prime timber
Of course, to go to the other side of the coin here: Mortals aren't really doing better right now. No Hades just means they keep getting pulled out to get painfully killed in the name of Chronos' plan again
muted gull
yeah they could hypothetically end up having it better but how long till then? there’s also clearly something that’s about to be released at the top of olympus but for the moment it hasn’t actually happened? which for once is something where a hades protag would run into something that’s just happened
blazing shale
Just had my best run yet
muted gull
warmth gain is so good on everything bar like, revaal and zorophet
was that 200 on the blitz?
prime timber
That is 200 on blitz!
muted gull
oh i managed to get lvl 12 on apollo special on ygnium which was very fun
blazing shale
was that 200 on the blitz?
It is!
Plus the 3x hit with Daedalus's hammer
I was doing a solid ~350 each strike
It melted things
muted gull
oh i managed to get lvl 12 on apollo special on ygnium which was _very_ fun
(there was an echo boon that let you double the level of your highest leveled boon)
muted gull
It melted things
oh good god yeah i can imagine it did
triple hit and immediately proc blitz and deal 200 goes crazy
paper spire
Just had Warmth Gain and the Duo where recovering mana does a 500% recovered aoe burst, very satisfying
muted gull
oh that’s insanely good damn
prime timber
What duo is that. You know, for a friend. 😄
paper spire
Hera + Hestia IIRC
also had Brave Face, 50% of all damage soaked by mana
Hera's cracked now
blazing shale
Hmm, any Greek Myths associated with Entropy?
Aside from Chaos I guess
Thinking Entropy will probably be the Olympis Route Final Boss's drop
As irs required to take down Chronos
ancient olive
Thanatos is generally specifically associated with aging and causes of death that are subtle and not based on, like, obvious loss of your bodily integrity
blazing shale
Mhm
ancient olive
though if you asked me to speculate I actually think Entropy is more in Chronus' favor than against him
blazing shale
Nah I mean Entropy is a required component for the spell thst will kill Chronos
ancient olive
oh like explicitly?
ancient olive
aha.
blazing shale
I'm wondering who could drop it
I'm guessing the final boss of Olympus, whoever that may be
ancient olive
...Thanatos is too aligned with the House of Hades to make me think that he would be a boss, but him coming out with the steel chair would be a wild return
and we already got ||evil Cerberus|| on a technicality
is there also some way that like, the material might be gained through something other than a boss fight? I could definitely see it being related to the Fated List
there is one entropy-heavy character who already features, and it's Moros
prime timber
Well, the Entropy stuff does look like the seeds you get from Chaos.
But there's also the other obvious answer.
The Fates.
fresh nebula
Eris is still a real butt of a fight =x
Damage race vs boss who can do damage night instantly with zero windup
NOT FUN
prime timber
It was more fine when she was the end state of the surface.
But man
I'd like to get to Olympus with a Death Defiance please.
Between Poly and Eris, the surface run is so much worse to handle boss-wise.
For those two, it feels less like I'm being forced to disengage (Like with Scylla and Cerberus) than I am waiting for the moment I can finally engage.
boreal vale
honestly i find scylla more annoying than eris
paper spire
And it's so weapon dependant, close range against Poly is so frustrating
Just waiting waiting waiting
Eris just needs like more signal for her attacks
She's so damn small
fresh nebula
Oh, scytlla is a pile of shit too
Final boss of the surface just nuked meo ut of nowhere too, because more instant aoes that apper on the ground, yay
prime timber
See, for Scylla I found the trick was to just bait Scylla away first, because she's slow.
fresh nebula
I reeally like this game, but there is Some Shit for sure
and it makes me grumpy, because i know they're better than this
fresh nebula
Oh, sorry, i got Scylla confused with CHarbids
Scylla is fine, great fight, also, musdic
prime timber
Yeee
Charybdis I just don't run into often enough to really worry.
I haven't seen them post update, tbh
paper spire
I haven't seen them at all and don't even know whatcha talkin about
They put so much game in here
paper spire
I'll pass! Just a fun thing to be on watch for
Like mysterious City Woman I can't find
prime timber
Ye, fair.
dusty storm
we honestly have what seems to be a pretty good winrate against Eris compared to everyone and, wdk why. we don't really have good tips to share
Eris fight tips (and, by extension, spoilers) ||if nothing else, keep your cover intact. dodge the explosive shot the conventional way, since you'll need quick cover if she decides to pull out the buckshot||
ancient olive
I will say I think people's expectations are partly based on playing Hades in a final state
from what I've heard it had its struggle era
blazing shale
I dislike Charbydis as well
bold palm
It's definitely the tough track!
oblique geode
I finally made it to Olympus today, also, unrelated, beat my second run with the Black Coat against Chronos
Xinth is so good
blazing shale
Xinth is very fun
oblique geode
Favorite weapon yet
prime timber
Big C supports small artists because he relates to them.
prime timber
Best weapon in both games, yes.
turbid sparrow
Black coat is goated, just cleared Olympus as well
From the dialogue really makes it sound like there'll be a fourth zone?
turbid sparrow
I guess we still need to free the fates, always assumed that would be the Olympus side of the game
prime timber
There's a fourth zone after Big C as well.
bold palm
is it just me or is his fade looking better?
Hey I had an idea for the thing that would tear people's hearts out!
It's about who might be the final 'boss' of the upper path!
||Nyx! A powerful titan who was last seen in Chronos's clutches and might be being used with the rest of the family as collateral||
bold palm
HELL YEAH FUNKY BROTHER
What should I unlock?
fresh nebula
There's a fourth zone after Big C as well.
Do you mean ||Chronos|| or ||Cerebus|| because both fit here 😛
I'm not sure how you build Xinth yet. LEaning to wards the idea of athena or apollo abuse, probably
eer, aphoridite*
placid thistle
There's a fourth zone after Big C as well.
wait what? you mean a fifth?
you've got the woods, oceanus, the fields, and then the house
oblique geode
I'm not sure how you build Xinth yet. LEaning to wards the idea of athena or apo...
I did pretty well with Demeter's boon on the special, and two upgrades to autofire missiles
I got a last-minute Hera boon to upgrade two boons to heroic JUST before I fought Chronos though, so that might have played a small part
muted gull
i'm honestly thinking the 4th area isn't so much gonna be the peak of olympus as space, there's soooo much stuff they can do with the constellations and it's close to selene too
oblique geode
What resource do we get from the new boss?
turbid sparrow
Feather
prime timber
Man, Hera Axe is so good
Almost got through Prometheus that time.
There's nothing quite like being able to kill an entire room in olympus in a few good swings.
muted gull
i should probably experiment with hera more, i’ve been avoiding her a lot
bold palm
zeus type sentence
tacit tapir
What did they do
prime timber
Hitch was still a thing. But the base Cast enhancement only worked on things entering. Add in I do not like her Magick Regain ability, and her duos formerly having been terrible, and I just went out of my way to avoid her unless I was using the Axe, in which case I tried to get her Attack boon.
bold palm
She had some good stuff, but there were a lot of gaps
and when I went into things about her before you could wind up with situations where you didn't really have any buffs at anything
particularly bad for bosses, because it was good to deal with groups, but not good at like... a big bugger like polythemus
oblique geode
Hera's hitch + knife special + bouncing upgrade has always been a great crowd-clearer for me
bold palm
Yeah she's good for crowds, but had quite a bit lacking
paper spire
Yeah it's like before half her kit needed specific triggers and they forgot to make sure you always had them
Also Arachne pls stop being sad when I leave, the rest of the game is out there
prime timber
I like Hera on the axe because it works good against crowds and hurts bosses good.
paper spire
I think Hitch also just got improved visually which is neat
Good for Hera ( but also Hera make better choices)
Also where's Ares at
prime timber
Busy, like Athena
paper spire
True
pulsar swallow
Hitch kinda had the h1 poseidon problem of great clear, poor boss dmg
oblique geode
For me I just like Hitch because it's a long-lasting condition to trigger the multi-debuff damage boost
That it clears crowds is a bonus
fresh nebula
So what are peeople running for Arcana?
I keep waffling on what it hink is good. Like all the damage shit is grea,t obviously
but the control offered by taking the lower left hand corner (rerolls and gold) is So Fucking Good
...if you use it
paper spire
I went for Boonmaxing, filled out the second row for whichever one wanted a line to activate.. Slow While Charging is so hard to pass up too..
But also usually use ||Circe's Heirloom|| for bonus, that's a fun one, can get around some with requirements
dusty storm
we're actually an old Hera cast apologist, but like, it wasn't one we actively sought all the time for sure
blazing shale
Which familiar does everyone like the most? I like the frog
dusty storm
only have frog and the cat and we gotta say, the frog kinda clears
prime timber
Frog for sure, both for the extra health and helping me bypass a collection method I do not like.
dusty storm
the cat's damage is, like.
really finicky and not worth and sometimes the frog blocks projectile
tacit tapir
Hera Cast was really good SOMETIMES
Like if you had the effect where anything in your cast got hit by burning
It just sitting around forever not doing anything was great
dusty storm
you just set it and forget it sometimes
and all the funny little swarm enemies mysteriously vanished without a trace.... wherever could they have gone....
it was also really good for cerb since it'd just LOCK the boy down for the entire stompy attack
tacit tapir
Like it for Cronos too
dusty storm
mhm
tacit tapir
The little urns in the 2nd phase can fuck me up sometimes and it just says no to them
dusty storm
it was a much more control-oriented option
tacit tapir
Any build I wouldn't be using cast a super lot anyway it's just nice
dusty storm
but it had its time in the sun (typically in oceanus)
tacit tapir
Plus I tend to use the "Deal more damage to enemies in your cast" so it just sitting around a long time not having to get recast
Can actually do more damage than having to recast
dusty storm
big feesh (actually tons of little fish with 10 HP)
tacit tapir
Yeah there's a few sets of enemies it just hard nos to
dusty storm
also yeah you could get benefit from that
prime timber
the cat's damage is, like.
really finicky and not worth and sometimes the frog b...
Cat damage is just a funny incidental thing that happens sometimes. It's real value is in the mini DD.
tacit tapir
Mini-DD is kinda w/e once you get pretty filled out IMO
Your normal DDs are so much better
prime timber
Correct, but it can absolutely make the difference between winning and losing.
dusty storm
If an attack would kill you, it doesn't. Simple as.
lower path final boss and boss attack spoilers ||and very handy when that fucker chronos hits you with that 9999||
prime timber
Had a wonderful Chronos run. Don't let those missing DD's fool you: this was lovely.
muted gull
incredibly fun run from last night
apollo’s legendary is hilariously fun
i’m also enjoying the new axe special honestly
also evil eye is incredibly good for final boss melting
also demeter’s infusion boon makes prometheus wayyy less scary
muted gull
also of note yesterday i had done the beat hecate without any arcana, then got a DD from hermes and used athena keepsake to buff them up, and nearly beat chronos
paper spire
Did they buff scorch at some point, it feels... faster?
fresh nebula
It is signfianctly faster, and Hestia has a boon that makes it even faster
and you have sillyness now like Hestia + Demeter being an instnat ignite for 200%
(Freeze a target that's scorched and the scorch explodes)
paper spire
The Scorch Cast stuff is so great for just wholesale ignoring adds
fresh nebula
I really like Hestia as a main attack boon on stuff like Xinth or Daggers
Aphro's duo with hestia is also very funny: Scorch doesnt tick down on weak targets.
paper spire
Xinth can do so much
fresh nebula
So it just keeps going higher and higher doing more and more
paper spire
Seems good for 'nearby enemies are always weak'
Had a fun Aph/Apollo just setting up the omega cast orbital nuke
fresh nebula
I honestly think Xinth's basic form might be The Best
just because of how frigging good "Hit faster and move faster" is
paper spire
Yeaaah, the basic attacks without any buffs love leaving enough space to get bopped
also fun to just zoom around
fresh nebula
Well, Selene's feels like a bit of a trap. Like yay, you get a garunteed selenee thing!
but it's not actually very good
and is at the low end of the power comapred to "Raise a minion" or "go fucking invioclbe' or "Lol, bullet time"
I need to play with the other one mroe to get a feel for it
seems fiddly tho
but attack speed is just mutlciplative with nearly every good damage stratergy you'd want for Xinth
and with sillyness like "Attacking fires your own damn special"
muted gull
xinth hits soo often it’s great
muted gull
and is at the low end of the power comapred to "Raise a minion" or "go fucking i...
yeah go invincible is nuts
i wanna try nyx’s pretty badly it seems cool
tacit tapir
Pl
I do not understand how to trigger the nightshades on the mecha suit
Ok*
I charge it up by dashing but then how do I actually use it
Oh you just run into people
bold palm
Yeah it's head on collision mode
Works amazing with aphrodite dash
You stop and explode
bold palm
Damn Di just fold them like paper why don't you?
bold palm
Huh... what would be good for this?
blazing shale
The Hestia one that restores HP and Magic per hit
turbid sparrow
The card that passively gives you magic, assuming that works
bold palm
Which do people find more fun? Aspect of Circe or Aspect of Momus on the staff
prime timber
Momus is so stupid good.
fresh nebula
Huh... what would be good for this?
Either Hera or Hestia's boons would do incredibly well
fresh nebula
his attacks are so hard to read
In general, if i had a big criticsm with this game, it's that the visual reability - esp in later areas - is dogshit
there's so much on screen
and so many attacks that have very little windup
The upper path is esp bad for this, Poly, Eris, promy
muted gull
The card that passively gives you magic, assuming that works
it doesn’t, but spirit bubble and warmth gain are both great
eris and prom definitely need better telegraphing although polythemus has been fine i feel
worthy anchor
Hera's gain should probably be the strongest combo with that boon...
That or Apollo - both would restore large amounts all at once, x5 for big boom.
muted gull
the AoE isn’t that large is the thing
but it procs very often
so instead of relying on big hits you’re much better off with lots of smaller ones imo
hera isn’t really viable with it but apollo could work just because cast guaranteed locks them down where they are
worthy anchor
Ah, fair enough
fresh nebula
hera isn’t really viable with it but apollo could work just because cast guarant...
Hera with fists seems like it'd work though for that. Fists already loves Hestia on attack, Hera on cast or special is Good, and Fist is amazing at mana dumping
muted gull
maybe then i suppose it makes sense it’d work best with the two who make up the duo
fresh nebula
I'd still prefer Hestia's mana gain boon though, even if Hera's is very good
muted gull
warmth gain is just so straightforwardly good it’s my favourite
followed by spirit bubble for more or less the same reasons
fresh nebula
The new zeus one is awful
I have ot run over to wherever the fuck that thing has spawned and press a button!?
muted gull
yeah i’ve just refused to take it because it just seems so annoying
i’ve not taken the demeter one ever either because like, i do not want to stay still like ever
fresh nebula
Yeah, 1s is just.. too long
bold palm
It's not too bad for me when I have a big bar already
gaining over 300 mana instantly is not too bad
and I barely use them
worthy anchor
I like the Zeus one tbh
Especially in boss fights, there's often enough of a breather that I can regen with it just fine.
Demeter is the one that's awful afaict.
prime timber
Demeter's asks something that I refuse to do.
And yeah, during boss fights Zeus is great.
bold palm
It's a shame it doesn't give mana back during charging my attacks
paper spire
The passive regain from the card does trigger the damage boon! At least it was the first time I got it
dusty storm
demeter is fucking nuts with Moon Beam at least since you don't actually move or press any buttons during that attack
and then you get full mana back, which you can immediately spend to Moon Beam, which lets you get full mana back, which you can spend to Moon Beam, which-
paper spire
Tbh if i get Moonbeam it rarely feels worth it unless you get the buff where it channels automatically
Standing still is just so heinously unsafe
dusty storm
if nothing else, it can absolutely SLAUGHTER cerb with triple beam
and you can always dash out of it
dusty storm
we just think Demeter's gain is actually rather good. There are a lot of moments where you can find a second to breath. And even if that's cut short early, you still get like. 66 mana back or smthn
oblique geode
So, there are no gain boons that just give you regeneration?
worthy anchor
no
oblique geode
No, as in there are none, or no, I am incorrect?
tacit tapir
There are none ATM
There used to be a few with downsides but those all got reworked
The only pure Regen ATM is the arcana card and the chaos boon
worthy anchor
I forgot about the Chaos one. That's technically one. And often a really strong one!
But of course it's not something you can rely on getting, unlike the god boons.
prime timber
Got my first Big P win!
||Athena|| came in clutch by giving me all the DD's Eris took.
And following that is the most disgusting build I've ever gotten to do.
Just cleared out rooms with Momus and spamming Omegas because I never ran out of magick.
dawn musk
After fighting Prometheus a few times (no vow of Frenzy though), I feel that he folds hard to being zoned
I suffer minimal damage when I don't stick next to him the whole time
bold palm
distance certainly helps yeah
if you can attack fast too
cause a lot of his attacks have a decent charge
dawn musk
He certainly feels more fair than Eris and Polyphemus for me
prime timber
Same
dawn musk
He doesn't flit about the stage like she does and you can control the hazards he places, and he's more approachable than Polyphemus
queen narwhal
He is probably easier than Eris when she dashes to the wall/oil slick and you can no longer be behind her. Part of it might be Olympus being pretty tough, so weak builds just don't get to Prometheus.
prime timber
Part of what makes Olympus tough is that Eris will eat your DDs.
muted gull
i sometimes get past her without losing DDs if i have a build that rewards aggression enough
tacit tapir
I guess I've found that while I'm not always sure what she's going to do, if you just run in circles around her nothing she does hurts
And if she ends up in a corner just move away and wait for her to come out
Which attack she does doesn't matter if they're all countered the same way
prime timber
You are 100% getting lucky that she doesn't smack you with buckshot
tacit tapir
She just doesn't turn fast enough for that to hit me usually?
prime timber
The big thing about Eris that the longer the fight goes on, the more a mistake costs. And it's way easier to get your placement wrong because she has zero warning for some of her moves
dawn musk
The big thing about Eris that the longer the fight goes on, the more a mistake c...
Yeah this
Her buckshot and barrage can both come from off-screen
boreal vale
eris rewards you sticking to her ass and moving through/around her
if you give her too much space she aims better
oblique geode
Though Hestia's sprint still makes her fight way easier
paper spire
With her it's just the threat of one healthbar being instantly gone if you don't burn her out at the end
boreal vale
the reason she has moves that move her away from you is because it forces you to chase her
paper spire
I think she's the best topside fight for sure
ancient olive
eris rewards you sticking to her ass and moving through/around her
ah yes, Dark Souls Boss Disease
paper spire
Though repeating the same moves isn't very discordant of you Eris smh
boreal vale
god if she was truly move random people would be so mad
arbitrarily decides to do the 100% damage buff as move one
blazing shale
Fuck Talos though
tacit tapir
Yeah I have way more problems with Talos than eris
Might just be I haven't killed him 100 times yet though LMAO
blazing shale
I've gotten a lot better against Eris since the update personally
tacit tapir
You get better at everything with repetition
dawn musk
Talos is like training you for Prometheus
tacit tapir
I find them pretty different fights
prime timber
I don't mind Talos too much. He's not a health-bar deleter as much as Eris is.
He's hard, but it doesn't feel like I'm fucked if I make one mistake.
dawn musk
I find them pretty different fights
I suppose, the fundamentals of the fights are similar enough I think? Like keep to mid range, run around area denial effects, don't try to engage in fisticuffs with them
prime timber
Talos tells me to fuck off and give him his space every once in a while. That's fine.
Eris, at a certain point, is telling me to not get hit once
tacit tapir
He's hard, but it doesn't feel like I'm fucked if I make one mistake.
I feel like he gets chip damage on me way more often
paper spire
It's truly wild how much minibosses buckle beneath Armor Break boons, but also very welcome
ancient olive
you know, not a view I endorse, but as far as "flaws that tie to character backstory" goes this goes kinda hard
pulsar swallow
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's only experienced mortals that have prooved that status
not exactly diverse representation
paper spire
From her perspective they live for a flash and then exist forever as a shade or somesuch, it makes sense to not really grasp what makes a human human
tacit tapir
I think the idea Mel is good guy is probably an error anyway lmao
She's more or less just a weapon at this point
prime timber
No no, you can be a weapon and a good guy. See the entire "Save my family that got robbed from me" point.
muted gull
🤨
yeah they’re definitely setting things up here i feel but we’ll see
she’s very much in the sneering divine nobility department atm however
bold palm
Considering her conversations with Icarus I suspect she's going to be learning a bit of humility at some point
Icarus really is an interesting character I do hope they do something with him
ancient olive
Zagreus also did a lot of good without being a completely uncomplicated character and I think it would be wrong to dismiss the things he did in Hades 1 as "not good enough because he did not upend the entire system single handedly"
I suspect Melinoe will be complex and will not fix everything by the epilogue of the final version, but we may be pleasantly surprised, depending on how things go, especially since we're well outside of the realm of having to stick to greek mythical canon by this point
opal flame
Also! Zagreus has mortal friends! Like Achilles, Sisyphus, uhh....
ancient olive
they're all dead, but yes,
opal flame
well he definitely has more than Mel
ancient olive
Orpheus
opal flame
Orpheus right!
ancient olive
Euridice is technically like, a demigoddess, but I would say she counts
she fuckin' died, sounds pretty mortal to me
opal flame
Mhm!
And I cannot wait for Melinoe to have that big "Ohhhh Shit" moment with her indifference/disapproval of mortals. After all, she didn't have the greatest formative years growing up like Zag
cuz, y'know, trained to be a weapon against Kronos and all vs growing up with a kinda shit dad
paper spire
Also her best friend is a ghost of course she has bias
placid thistle
and she's drastically more powerful than zag, probably because of that
both because of the witchcraft and just actual incentive to train her powers
whole-ass weapon of war
ancient olive
Zag's life wasn't great but at the bare minimum he had like, one legit parent and one who... like, genuinely sucked, in some mundane and sad ways, but kinda different from the war thing
ancient olive
I also sort of think it's easy for someone raised by Gods, who, aren't completely beyond short term pettiness, but who do have some degree of longevity and a type of wisdom and experience, to feel mortals become more level headed when they no longer are squabbling for their survival and their legacy in the world of the living
like, they die and some of them suddenly take the longer and more cosmic view of things
of course Mel wasn't raised by Zeus...
prime timber
On a semi-related note: Asphodel couldn't have happened to a nicer guy than Narcissus.
Also, Mel does have a mortal she knows and gets along with aside from Icarus. It's Odysseus.
And one of Odysseus's things that comes up is that he goes "Man, I did some dumb shit when I was alive."
prime timber
🤨
Actually, thinking on the text here some more... Yeah, no, you absolutely ask Prometheus this question. Of course the goddess who has never met a living person aside from Medea and Arachne is gonna think this. But the Titan put a lot on the line and absolutely suffered for mortals in exchange for... basically nothing. So why care about them that much?
fresh nebula
I'm still vaugely grumpy aboout how this portrays Circe
but that's because i'm a Madeline Miller stan
prime timber
I like doting aunt Circe myself.
Largely because it's a nice contrast when compared to Worst Coworker Medea.
muted gull
one thing, i bet the reason mel can resist chronos’s things is because she’s a quarter mortal (persephone being half mortal)
fresh nebula
I dont like odnting aunt circe, becuase she's very... steroytype of the new-age witchy etc stype? at least that's how it feels to me
dawn musk
one thing, i bet the reason mel can resist chronos’s things is _because_ she’s a...
Can't Hades and his siblings resist Chronos too?
I think Zag and Persephone should be able to resist Chronos too if they had trained for it somehow
muted gull
Can't Hades and his siblings resist Chronos too?
uncertain honestly
now that i think about it the quarter mortal thing doesn’t make sense because yeah persephone and zag would’ve been fine otherwise
ancient olive
I think the reason Mel can resist Chronos is fairly straightforward
every God is a God of something, as Achilles put it
and what epithets have we seen Mel addressed with?
placid thistle
she's mostly called a witch that i remember
i'm sure the game hints at her divine domain too, but i don't remember those
paper spire
Doesn't ||Prometheus|| call her Herald of Change or somesuch
ancient olive
I think Agent of Change is probably the one that's the most telling
and that's definitely not incongruous with witchcraft
I don't know that Chronos doesn't have change in his domain in some way, but he definitely seems to be primarily leaning on the aspect of statis now that his conquest is succeeding
dawn musk
Hmm
I think Chronos's main thing is stasis, yeah
All of his children have something to do with advancement and change and development
The weather or harvest or marriage and children, or death
Though Mel being a goddess of ghosts and nightmares might overlap with his thing for stasis?
paper spire
I still wanna know about the ghostlimbs
dawn musk
Uh ||she lost her arm to make Icarus whole again||
paper spire
ohe
solar cloud
Hey so one of my pet theories since launch has been that Mel isn't actually a member of the Chthonic royal family, do we have any hard confirms that she must be?
dawn musk
The eyes, the flaming feet, the dash, her authority over the entrance of Tartarus, her affinity for shades, and her inability to survive the surface
tacit tapir
Yeah she's uh really really unlikely not to be tbh
My pet theories are she causes the end of the age of gods and that hecate feels so much guilt because she helped chronos
dawn musk
I always thought that Zag's running around the Underworld collecting Titan Blood contributed to Chronos's revival
He's one of the few people gathering them, and he is the god of blood
muted gull
My pet theories are she causes the end of the age of gods and that hecate feels ...
i honestly think the guilt hecate feels is entirely ‘i didn’t stop chronos and i raised and turned this child who should’ve had a family and a safe upbringing into a weapon’
tacit tapir
Could be!
I think she helped him either on accident or without realizing what he would do
tacit tapir
Just to be clear I'm not full of shit on not finding Eris that bad
Since people seem to not believe me
bold palm
Some runs she can be really tough, some she's a cakewalk
the one attack I always struggle with is the shotgun blast as it has such a massive range and even getting behind her doesn't always help
but also sometimes I've clowned on her and shuffled on without losing a thing
paper spire
they did also just nerf her, so seems to be a common theme for folks to be troubled
prime timber
Good Guy Hephaestus
tacit tapir
As a note: Hestia cast seems stupid broken atm
prime timber
It is!
Also, Eris is much easier now that I can more easily tell which way she's facing.
Second Big P clear.
bold palm
Hestia :3
blazing shale
wait why are you here
prime timber
bonk
fresh nebula
Anyone else been playing Windblown?
bold palm
whassat?
tacit tapir
It's probably a game that isn't Hades
fresh nebula
whassat?
It is, as @tacit tapir says,a game that isn't hades. In this case though, it's kin to hades, being a top down, isometric action roguelite/roguelike.
It's by Motion Twin, same folk who did Deadcells
fresh nebula
It's def not got hte narrative heft of Hades 2, so if you're looking for htat you'll be disapointed
but if you like gameplay...
bold palm
I do like gameplay
muted gull
the zeus one is pretty tricky too, apollo’s not too hard but i feel bad for always picking him second
bold palm
Hephy's is pretty simple as long as you keep moving, if anything it makes him seem reluctant to even fight you
dawn musk
Isn't Apollo's attack quite similar to Heph's?
muted gull
fairly yeah
apollo also is just like. nice the whole time? which is kind of weird to me they don’t really show much in the way of flaws
i also love that chaos just. doesn’t like melinoe as much
dawn musk
I find Apollo to be a little condescending
Can't really pin down the stuffs that made me think of that but it's the general vibe he has with Mel for me
paper spire
He said something along the lines of 'beneath this Sunny Disposition I've a bit of a temper', it's very much a Thing He Does
muted gull
he never actually like, drops the facade or even the very cordial language nor does it sound like there’s that under the surface to me?
i’m not saying he doesn’t get angry i’m sure the text supports that he does, but the dialogue and va has him strike me as a bit emotionally one note in some respects
also i like poseidon more this time round honestly
dusty storm
i also love that chaos just. doesn’t like melinoe as much
Melinoe's way more about order than Zag ever was
tacit tapir
Zag is in his goals kinda explicitly against his father's order
Melinoe is very explicitly for an order dthat doesn't even exist at the time she's trying to champion it, and has never experienced it
She's just for it because an authorit figure told her it was good
paper spire
( Well also to get her family back, that's a pretty hefty section )
dusty storm
yerp
tacit tapir
She never knew them, she just vaguely knows of them because of said authority figure. If Hecate had told her her family sucked and to not worry about it, she probably wouldn't
fresh nebula
Apollo is an absoloute prat
He's very much "I'm better than you, and i know it!"
Rember he's also the god of plauges nadh e basically sees no issue with lolplauges
dusty storm
Playing Hades 2 for the first time since the update and
hm
can only assume something had its cost increased, though we lack any earthly clue as to what
Trinket art!!!
dusty storm
oh shit ||omega moves don't slowdown anymore||
paper spire
Maybe my least favorite change
bold palm
It's certainly an interesting change
worthy anchor
On one hand, I barely used it before, and more interesting arcana is good, but on the other hand, the keepsake is back to being a full-run keepsake, rather than for a single biome, the way most others are.
So I'm kinda torn on this - it's probably good that it's not just a default for a lot of players anymore, but it doesn't seem like a good outcome either.
dawn musk
You lose out on control over your build if you don't use stuffs other than the wheel, so even if the wheel is more consistent it's an opportunity cost to take it instead of the other keepsakes I think
paper spire
And I disagree with their decision, lategame combat involves so much stuff that Omega Builds can be deeply annoying without the Slowdown but taking the same heirloom for the builds sucks
muted gull
i’ve been doing fine without the slowdown honestly, i haven’t really felt the change
like sure the slow down is nice but it’s just been swapped so omega moves get sped up instead
i pretty much only use
- crystal pig
- echo stone OR a god trinket
- (usually a god trinket, otherwise some other build buffing trinket like aromatic vial)
- tooth/gorgon shield/evil eye/something else defensive
admittedly i only managed to get athena to show up in tartarus once
tacit tapir
How are people liking the no death defy
I'm loving the extra damage
From a speed perspective the damage bonus is huge, and the damage resist can be worth as much ehp as a death defy or two anyway
placid thistle
whynotboth.jpg
tacit tapir
Well then I don't get the damage bonus all run
Since it only kicks in when you don't have a death defy
Huge anti synergy with cat, wish they'd change that
placid thistle
cat does seem pretty mid next to the others ngl
muted gull
i think i used the cat once and then refused to after because i didn’t want the extra death defiances
i still need to get hecuba (although have gotten the associated dialogue)
bold palm
crow : )
queen narwhal
I am pretty sure No Death Defy builds are better due to easy access to Athena and Deflect.
dusty storm
The effect got moved from an Arcana to a Keepsake.
oh :/
yeah, we're not a terribly big fan of that
dawn musk
I am pretty sure No Death Defy builds are better due to easy access to Athena an...
Also the abundance of damage nullification effects like The Lovers, Demeter and Hephaestus's boons, and armor
tacit tapir
I'm not a big fan of it either
TBH
I don't think it's basically ever worth a keepsake
Which means I'm just never gonna end up using it
dusty storm
like sure the slow down is nice but it’s just been swapped so omega moves get sp...
Slowdown is way, way better than speedup
paper spire
Speedup feels practically unnoticeable and I got it at 30% lmao
dusty storm
We have noticed the overall difference in cast time but it's still not, like, ideal.
tacit tapir
Depending on weapon it's very noticable
Others it's much less
Very important on Axe for instance
paper spire
Ahh, don't use axe so idk. Just feels rough, love having it, no fun to ignore every heirloom to use. Was it too strong to be an Arcana? Is that outdoing Death Defiance
tacit tapir
Shrug
I mean too strong is a weird thing to say
Since it's PvE
It didn't make things trivial
And you can always ramp up Night level
For more difficulty
I think they just didn't like people always having it
Not sure why
It felt cool
prime timber
I mean, it's not like the spindle is the only 'keep for an entire run' keepsake. Eris is right there.
paper spire
It feels.. different. Eris comes with a drawback
paper spire
Spindle feels like it should be a fuckin passive
We're the granddaughter of Time Itself
prime timber
So was Zag
paper spire
Well yeah, but nyeh
We're the ones workin' on it
It just feels like a bad change, I dunno. It's not Game Changing enough to justify ignoring other heirlooms
tacit tapir
Shrug I mean, I think it's cool and I wish we still had it, but I think lore justification feels silly.
paper spire
But it's fun and core enough that egh
tacit tapir
We can just say it's fun and we miss it
prime timber
Also, the former bonus for Hecate's keepsake was bad
tacit tapir
That's very true.
But don't take away my cool to give me a keepsake I don't want to use either. 😛
prime timber
Like, I never used it outside of leveling it to 3
tacit tapir
I'd rather have a bad keepsake I don't want to use
paper spire
There's plenty of keepsakes I don't feel like using
They shouldn't just plaster them with all the good arcana effects
prime timber
I'd rather have a bad keepsake I don't want to use
That's patently insane.
I want my keepsakes to be good
Otherwise why do I have them?
paper spire
I've tried asking Hercules and he won't answer
prime timber
For me it's Dora.
paper spire
Yeaah, that one's rough
prime timber
Either I don't need it, or it's for one door
paper spire
Experimental Hammer too
tacit tapir
That's patently insane.
I mean, option 1 I have an ability I like, and a bad ability on a keepsake I don't want to use, option 2 I have an ability I don't like, and a medium-ok ability on a keepsake I don't want to use.
I'd rather have the first
THen I have an ability I like
And either way I'm not using the keepsake, so it doesn't matter what is on it
If keepsakes are 1-10, and we upgraded from a 2/10 to a 5/10, it still doesn't beat any of the 8/10 or 9/10 keepsakes out
Am I ever going to take it over a god boon? Hellllll no.
Am I ever gonna take it over a Guardian-killer boon for the final boss?
Helllll no.
prime timber
Experimental Hammer too
Oh, I do like Experimental Hammer. Makes for a fun single run, good to have for something like the ships
paper spire
'Random' kills it for me
There's many Daedalus buffs that kind of ask for a playstyle
prime timber
Random means it's essentially the same as any other hammer
paper spire
Picking one of three is so much better than 'here you go enjoy', wha
I've even been brutally betrayed by the Anvil
dawn musk
But I don't think there are hammers that are straight up detrimental right?
prime timber
Do you know how many times I've gone "ok, guess I'm taking this" for a normal hammer?
tacit tapir
But I don't think there are hammers that are straight up detrimental right?
There absolutely are.
dawn musk
Like Hades 1 had several that were horrid like the self-damaging special on the rail
paper spire
'Your Axe Attacks are only the Final Slam', but i more just meant when you get something completely unrelated to what your build does
tacit tapir
Yeah that was the one I was thinking of lmao
Sometimes only getting final slam is bad
prime timber
The final slam one is great, what are you talking about
dawn musk
But the new special is a lot more synergetic with it
paper spire
I was going to say, maybe with New Special, but getting rid of your only quick attack option was tough
Especially now that you can't also have Omega Slowdown
tacit tapir
Anyway, main point is "I miss omega slowdown"
There's really nothing to argue there, 'cause I feel that way.
prime timber
It's still there
tacit tapir
Not if I want to play for speed, no
paper spire
or play for fun
placid thistle
Very important on Axe for instance
axe omega attack is kind of ass now
well
that's not true, its damage is still cracked
tacit tapir
Yeah but Axe omega special is nuts on Chiron for instance
prime timber
that's not true, its damage is still cracked
It requires you commit
placid thistle
but it desperately needs either slowdown or drastic speed boosts to not just make you die
tacit tapir
Actually quick check: Mourge do you play for time or on higher fear levels?
prime timber
Hitch Axe my beloved
tacit tapir
I'm usually trying to play for speed at ~20-30 fear atm
prime timber
No
placid thistle
ah
that makes sense
when you can just goof around at slow 0 fear where enemies don't hit like a train, it's probably a lot less impactful of a change
tacit tapir
Yeah you can just do whatever and it'll be fine at 0 fear
prime timber
I play for the nightmares to finish upgrades
tacit tapir
I just play as high a nightmare as I can that the game will make me lose runs
But I can still finish sometimes
prime timber
And eventually the achievements when those come out
tacit tapir
If I'm not losing runs kinda regular it's not fun for me
prime timber
But I like being able to enjoy the game
tacit tapir
I need to feel like the choices I make matter, that i'm at danger of dying
prime timber
And I don't particularly like losing
placid thistle
I need to feel like the choices I make matter, that i'm at danger of dying
pretty much, yeah
i like feeling like the game actually matters
tacit tapir
Or I don't get the fun of trying to do good
Because I can just do bad and it's fine, it's not exciting for me
placid thistle
and it doesn't when i can just 0 fear dunk on everything
because it doesn't feel like i get punished for mistakes or anything
tacit tapir
To be clear, your way of playing is fine, but it's not how I play the game at all.
So you're not going to convince me of anything because we're effectively playing different games.
We just have very different goals
placid thistle
high fear is what gives me the sense of stakes and threat that i enjoy
prime timber
To be clear, your way of playing is fine, but it's not how I play the game at al...
I was about to start getting mad until you said this.
tacit tapir
Yeah like. Just very different perspectives/playstyles.
Not surprising the things I think are good/useful/fun are very different than what you do.
prime timber
But also I feel that the 20-30 fear run is way more outside the norm than what I do
placid thistle
i think standard for like
casual players is 0
and dedicated players is 10-ish
based on heat metrics from H1
tacit tapir
Yeah
Hades 1 I was doing every weapon at 32+ heat
From what I remember that made me very unusual
placid thistle
lmao i didn't love 32 heat
placid thistle
i did a lot of runs of...it was 32 for the final skelly statue, right?
prime timber
Also this explains why both of you were not giving helpful Eris advice tbh
tacit tapir
I didn't like the full heat runs, which was like ~45-50ish?
Depending on if you were on hell mode
Which I always was because it was free heat levels
placid thistle
but i felt like most of the options past the 20s just made the game more frustrating instead of more challenging
prime timber
Because the advice was "Don't get hit by her"
placid thistle
you had like
tacit tapir
Yeah
placid thistle
an easy free spot of the first 10
which mostly didn't matter at all
and then another 10-15 that were impactful and added challenge
tacit tapir
I always pumped the boss battle one, the extra mechanics for armored enemies, and a few others.
placid thistle
and then imo starting at the 30-count was when your options were ass and VERY punishing
tacit tapir
I found about 30-35 was the sweet spot IIRC
placid thistle
oh yeah EM is an automatic
placid thistle
i just hate how low the uhhh
dawn musk
There should be
paper spire
Give us a third song, Sirens
placid thistle
20->40% action speed
dawn musk
Oh that one SUCKS
placid thistle
which definitely should've been worth 3 and 5
with how fucked it made some things
tacit tapir
Oh yeah
placid thistle
and they did it again for H2
tacit tapir
I never pumped it to 40% XD
dawn musk
Unreactable Eris go
tacit tapir
I usually tried to avoid pumping it to 20%
placid thistle
because 20% action speed is worth like 300% damage
paper spire
Enemies get bonus action speed but we have to pay in BLOOD for Slowdown SMH SMH SMH /joking
placid thistle
and 40% is worth more
because of all the bullshit that combos into itself or becomes unreactable
tacit tapir
Honestly 40% is probably in some cases worse than if you just had 1 hp the whole run
placid thistle
yeah
paper spire
Those bastards throwing blood-bombs in the Fields would throw so many
placid thistle
it really should either be worth an absurd amount to take
or just be movespeed or something
because they value it like it's literally just movespeed
tacit tapir
Yeah if it was just movespeed the cost would be fine
Speed should be worth like, 4-5 and like 20 lmao
placid thistle
i genuinely don't think the devs have ever playtested heat/fear themselves, other than EM
placid thistle
Speed should be worth like, 4-5 and like 20 lmao
pretty fucking much
it was constantly complained about by the fanbase in H1
and then they just did it again in H2
with zero changes
tacit tapir
I only ever did one max heat run
(That I finished)
Just to say I did
Er, except time
I did not do it with time on
placid thistle
i don't think i ever did, because i just don't find the loss of control with the -2 selections very fun
tacit tapir
Because ACTUAL max heat was almost actually impossible
I tyhink we've only actually had one player compete the 64 heat run?
placid thistle
i swear there were two guys on youtube that did it
on top of someone streaming it on twitch
tacit tapir
I know Jade did it
Oh apparently a Chinese runner did it after Jade
And someone named Angelic
So yeah, 3 total
placid thistle
right, bai!
doesn't look like any of them were twitch streamed, so i guess i was thinking of a different challenge?
tacit tapir
IDK
placid thistle
man, i'm rewatching bai's and i forgot how fucked these assholes are
with allspeed
tacit tapir
Oh yeahhhhh
XD
Honestly so far that's my big problem with Hades 2 is most of the enemies just do not feel as threatening
placid thistle
mm, my issue is kind of the inverse - enemies are only threatening in that they're obnoxious
tacit tapir
I think because most of the high DPS builds for Melinoe are higher ranged?
So it's easier to just space enemies out
While still doing optimal DPS
placid thistle
because they gave shield blocks or hyperarmor damage resistance to everything
especially on the surface
placid thistle
i'm an axe main, so i definitely feel it
tacit tapir
I think that's supposed to make you close in
But mostly it just makes me space sideways
XD
placid thistle
yeah
it mostly punishes melee
because most of em also have back-off tools
like the crossbowman
that makes you want to space to dodge its attacks
tacit tapir
Meanwhile most of the good ranged tools can just explode from the enemy's side or back
placid thistle
p much
tacit tapir
And so if you're far away
It's actually EASIER to ignore the shield
Because you have consistent facing from the enemy
placid thistle
and then they double-nerfed the axe by removing its guard and also killing its ability to omega attack safely
tacit tapir
I mean staff has two strong sets
Axe kinda only has Charon atm
Both the Serenity and Repeat Omega staffs are good
placid thistle
both of the other axes were pretty good before they removed slowdown
bc they were both solid boosts to the omega attack playstyle
placid thistle
tacit tapir
I mean you can lower fear and get the same challenge but
It feels bad to have to lower fear to use a particular weapon
placid thistle
pretty much
worthy anchor
I just wanna add that I think Eris' keepsake is also generally bad design and hope it gets reworked, because at the moment it's best thought of as a special mode of run.
But it's not very fun, and it's not meaningful if you use it for less than the entire run (well, okay, maybe you can leave it off for one biome).
And given that they've talked about wanting keepsakes to encourage switching, I'm surprised at what they did to Hecate and that Eris is unchanged for now.
placid thistle
it's...definitely odd in a frustrating way
how they changed hecate's
i think one keepsake specifically being the "this is an alternate run button" option is fine, since that's kinda what than's was in H1
but when they explicitly say they don't want to encourage full-run keepsakes and then change keepsakes to increase the quantity of them
it's confusing
placid thistle
y'know, watching this run
it's kind of odd that we didn't get an asterius aspect axe
feels like it'd have been on-theme
more than probably charon, which might be better on vibes as a staff instead
dawn musk
He's dead, so I don't think he'd get to use a Nocturnal Arms
dusty storm
Because the advice was "Don't get hit by her"
As a dedicated Fear 0 player that is kind of just the advice we think
there are some build considerations of like, Hestia run obviously but also things that block single attacks like Nitro Boost won't be terribly useful against her
but it's just sort of,
keep an eye out for the few tells she does have, get a feel for her shooting rhythm, circle
muted gull
i find staying close and getting behind her back works wonders
dusty storm
yup yup
also cover is handy! if you don't think you can run in and circle, a rock can be your, well. Rock.
dawn musk
i find staying close and getting behind her back works wonders
But don't stay too close when she does her big one shot. You can dodge it more reliably at a distance
ancient olive
meanwhile I am consistently struggling to beat heat 2 to 4 (depending on weapon) in Hades 1
muted gull
But don't stay too close when she does her big one shot. You can dodge it more r...
i find it better to keep doing the behind her back thing honestly
muted gull
meanwhile I am consistently struggling to beat heat 2 to 4 (depending on weapon)...
fair enough, the champions and hades are super hard roadblocks
dawn musk
i find it better to keep doing the behind her back thing honestly
Can be tough to do that when she's moving all over the place in phase 4
So a bit of learning when to cut your losses and just backing off
dusty storm
Phase 4 is rough. She has turbo damage and just will not stay in one spot for long.
Absolutely a fight you don't want to get greedy in
ancient olive
fair enough, the champions and hades are super hard roadblocks
thanatos on Champions is a godsend
...
literally, come to think of it
ancient olive
absolutely unhinged run, loved facerolling through two death defiances
also a rare example of me rocking a Call with no invincibility all the way up to Big H
prime timber
My third Prometheus Win! And on 8 at that.
tacit tapir
Nice
ancient olive
I just finished the epilogue of Hades 1 and at this point all I really have is achievements, prophecies, and glory
and dialogue, I guess
bold palm
muted gull
i managed to do 12 heat recently, want to get the second statue soon
prime timber
Nightmare 8 Underworld Run done.
muted gull
support fire air quality must’ve been great
although for the most part how useful do people find air quality? most things tend to be above 30 far as i can tell
dawn musk
It's good for scorch and unpommed common Static Shock
worthy anchor
Yeah, it's good in a specific niche
But limited these days
Support Fire imo is also rather weak at the moment
Even with the dagger, it's not a lot of extra hits
dawn musk
Support Fire has the same problem as the missiles
Tracking takes a while to reach the enemy
The firing trajectory isn't great too
worthy anchor
Agreed
For support fire, it's not so bad, since it's not a core god, run-defining thing, I think. It's probably okay if that's just neat, but not too strong.
But it doesn't quite feel impactful enough.
The rockets hit the environment too often for my taste.
muted gull
i’ve had a great time with the rockets tbh but i definitely use the omega more
apollo rockets is hilariously fun
worthy anchor
For sure!
I've had fun with them too, and then every so often it's just really frustrating
dawn musk
I think the missiles work decent, just need to turn off their hitbox until they actually get to clear grounds and make the turn rate better
I think you should use them while using the attack anyway so the delay doesn't matter to me
worthy anchor
agreed
fresh nebula
although for the most part how useful do people find air quality? most things te...
it's mostly for making static shock or your burn better, though you can get burn into some turly stupid places without it now
which is thankful
blazing shale
||Looks like Typhon is the final boss of Olympus||
Now I just need to find a consistent method to beating Prometheus :v
tacit tapir
"· Eternity: theme changed from Night; reworked — now makes everything slower while you channel Omega moves; note this effect is no longer on Silver Wheel (Hecate)"
Oh thank god they reverted it
paper spire
Yeaaah it may be a little strong, but like it's so crucial for so many charge moves
There's just too much stuff moving too fast t'always be on top of it
placid thistle
houghf, first ||typhon|| kill
also the first time i even got to it lmao
so i got all the first encounter dialogue and not the first kill dialogue
dawn musk
That's a lot of damage
placid thistle
lmao yeah
neon spindle
I'm just here for the story.
bold palm
I am here for the story. And other things.
tacit tapir
As a note that feels like a spoiler?
fresh nebula
@blazing shale you need to spoiler that
blazing shale
Ah, my bad
blazing shale
||TYPHON|| DOWN
placid thistle
just in time to thirst after ares with me
prime inlet
grave news
I was fighting ||chronos|| and my game froze
now i'm back to the crossroads 😭
I had such a sick build!
turbid sparrow
Damn didn't know he could do that
prime inlet
no, i mean the game engine bugged out
turbid sparrow
oh you've got to do the arg fight in the ini files to stop him from crashing your game, there's a ritual at the cauldron to give you a promt to do that
prime inlet
arg fight?
turbid sparrow
augmented reality game, I'm just kidding around though there is a cauldron upgrage to let you pause during the chronos fight if you find that annoying
prime inlet
i’m a dumbass
i met ||athena|| at olympus and accidentally primed all of my magick away
worthy anchor
Just switch to a magickless build on the fly :5head
oblique geode
I made it to ||Prometheus|| for the first time yesterday, lost to his simon says attack
prime inlet
noice!
oblique geode
I lost three death defiance before I figured out what was actually happening, lol
cobalt shard
alright, definitely the best state i've ever been in going into the surface final boss
wish me luck
why does he do like 60 damage with every attack
queen narwhal
Strength might be better there than death defiances.
cobalt shard
if I only get one shot at the boss per half hour run, I want to do everything I can to maximize my time to learn its patterns
cobalt shard
0 death defiances even used 
the hex that undoes all damage you took in the last 2 seconds is pretty dang strong when you're allowed to stockpile 12 of them
prime inlet
let’s goooo
cobalt shard
theory: Melinoe and the gang are going to end up somewhat siding with Chronos, but get him to de-kidnap everyone
there's some dialogue where she says she doesn't know what his objective is, but it seems to be something about making the world better for mortals
there's going to need to be a mode where you keep doing runs post-game, and "we de-obliterated Chronos and all of his minions just so you could go beat him up for fun" wouldn't work
because the main plot of Hades 2 is so far a lot simpler than Hades 1
the first game had a really compelling family drama about everyone trying to do what they think is right but failure to communicate making the situation awful for everyone
the second game still has great character writing, but the concept is just "there is a bad guy we need to stop"
i think it would be pretty interesting if it went in the direction of "Chronos was tortured for ages so he's being sadistic, but ultimately his plan (whatever it is) is for the best and the family needs to learn to understand each other"
(also ||Prometheus says Chronos will succeed||, so. y'know.)
bold palm
Yeah there's some real love for mortals in there which doesn't super fit with other gods