But I made it to redacted
#HADES by Supergiant Games
pulsar swallow
fresh nebula
But I made it to redacted
Act 3 redacted or act 4 reedacted?
bold palm
I was using the pan blades with the 360 firing and the aphrodite special bonus and when I charged and fired when someone was in my cast they all circled around into a heart and killed the dude
It was also a Justice run or whatever, the starting with only 3 arcana
blazing shale
Chronos beaten!
fresh nebula
Chronos beaten!
Cargorats!
scenic drum
Haven't looked at II just yet but I'm finally taking another crack at Hades I.
dusty storm
godspeed 
beware of the unmarked spoilers in this thread tbh
scenic drum
I quit after so many runs, but this time I'm taking my time and actually figuring out what does what for each run. I'm also trying to to min/max every run and actually decorate my underworld home so it's a nice change of pace.
worthy anchor
Wheee, I improved my time a lot
aspect of pan with the right hammers is crazy good
(still not close to the leaderboards)
gilded token
This was an unreasonably fun build
worthy anchor
Hah, yeah, staff is fun
prime timber
Got my Knucklebones and the Health Chunking benefit from Hades. We'll see how I do with this Chronos fight.
worthy anchor
Good luck!
prime timber
Alas, barely missed out on it.
pulsar swallow
Act 3 redacted or act 4 reedacted?
Zone 3
bold palm
swoosh
placid thistle
it's so incredibly satisfying
pulsar swallow
Yeah
I grabbed the psychic Whirlwind hammer, but felt like I needed more channel speed
fresh nebula
Axe with Apollo is pretty funni
It's incredibly good with the get crit chance on omegas aspect for axe
pulsar swallow
Oh shit, yeah
fresh nebula
Oh shit, yeah
The other big advantage is that Apolo's legendary boon is "Omegas cost x2, but hit twice"
which, whadda you know, for a revolving axe spin of death
is REALLY FUCKING GOOD
dawn musk
I need the new update so I can understand whatever is with Eris and Melinoe's relationship
blazing shale
is 30 minutes to Chronos fast? I noticed most people here usually take like 50-60
worthy anchor
is 30 minutes to Chronos fast? I noticed most people here usually take like 50-6...
Feels okay. I'm down to reliably making it in ~20'.
PB is currently 14:45, speedruns have it down to sub 10.
dawn musk
Yeah, I don't know about things being spongy since most things go down relatively quickly for me
worthy anchor
It takes a few upgrades, imo, and having good builds, then it speeds up considerably.
But things do have more HP than in H1 - you can just also deal much more damage.
If you wanna go real fast, atm it seems like there's two options, with very specific boon/hammer combos:
Staff and daggers, with the double special shot and Pan aspect with the extra omega special daggers, afaict.
Both with the Poseidon special, and then stacking as much damage boost as possible from arcana and so on.
(again, this is just for going fast, for winning in reasonable time, everything works.)
paper spire
I wouldn't mind if thr Staff Special changed some, even when it's strong mashing the button like that doesn't feel great
prime timber
I wouldn't mind if thr Staff Special changed some, even when it's strong mashing...
It's why I want the torches to change, because as it stands I have to spam special to get any use out of them
weary steeple
Feels okay. I'm down to reliably making it in ~20'.
PB is currently 14:45, spe...
i think i saw a 6:30 w moros staff
paper spire
I thought Moros staff just made you regen health :|a
weary steeple
🤷♀️ it was m something
prime timber
Momos, iirc
weary steeple
oh that sounds more like it
bold palm
Moros is the wands, and his version is... kinda weird
The shots detonate linger for longer and explode when hit with the special, which is like, neat, but also the basic attacks have collision with one another? ANd I've found my own shots blocking shots??
bold palm
The charged main shots also increase in size so they become even more inconvenient and blimpy
I did a run with it before and it was like... yeah alright... but not good
prime timber
I think it might be better with the special spam strategy where you just throw an attack out every once in a while to detonate.
bold palm
but then you often can't get it to where you want, because the specials spin randomly from where you fired it and there's a chance you'll hit the spot in front of you.
That's actually an issue/version from the charged special, because they spin around you and detonate shots, when you fire basic attacks they don't escape the ring and just detonate a little away from you
which could be good if you're going for a close by explosion sort of build but it's just... not the best because you're not getting the basic attack hit then the explosion, just the explosion, and you have to be rather close to the enemy, and have your charged special spinning
fresh nebula
The torches just feel really half-baked.
Everything else has combos and interesting ways to chain stuff, and the torchesj ust dont flow
fresh nebula
I thought Moros staff just made you regen health :|a
It's real strength is it increases the base damage of your special. not a % increase, a flat. it's 5 per rank, so a full 25
dusty storm
but then you often can't get it to where you want, because the specials spin ran...
the spin of the specials isn't random, but it is somewhat difficult to like, fine tune
bold palm
Okay. My point still stands about trying to use them together though.
It's "random" when the weird bubble attacks you throw out move slowly out from your wands and collide with previous shots you've done making them clump up weirdly and traffic jam themselves while your special you fired from off screen spirals in and hits them maybe doing damage.
blazing shale
prime timber
NO
bold palm
Hermes' tortoise is called Chellen
bold palm
Man I've been doing some upwards runs and... Hestia's run boon really does de-tooth ||Eris||
Not that I mind but boy it's like THE problem solver for that fight
dawn musk
Fumbled a super fun build
Torches, Hera on special, Zeus on cast and attack, Poseidon on sprint, with the Demeter boon that makes Omega cast stick to you
Just set up both then run into a swarm of enemy
bold palm
Ha, just becoming a mobile screaming aoe
dawn musk
Showed it to the rats in Tartarus at least
worthy anchor
Oh my god, I just unlocked the first statue and hoooo
I was wheezing from that design xD
dawn musk
Nemesis would convulse and die
bold palm
POP POP
bold palm
woohoooo
dawn musk
Nothing as satisfying as the booming CLANG
fresh nebula
Shame you didnt get their duoboon!
prime timber
Finally beat Grandpapa for the first time! Aphrodite Twin Blades with backstab hammer ftw!
weary steeple
good job!!
fresh nebula
Finally beat Grandpapa for the first time! Aphrodite Twin Blades with backstab h...
Try out Artemis blades with that sometime, and Revel in the 1.6k crits
bold palm
I got offered the duo boon of ||Hephy/Hera|| a few times but it was much better to have Hephy's heroic strike
dawn musk
Unbelievable, Logan Cunningham voices Chronos
How does he go from Hades to someone as nasally as Chronos
tacit tapir
Being a good VA
dusty storm
He's also the Transistor, Rucks, Homer, and like, the guy that calls you "Reader!" in Pyre
prime timber
If memory serves, he's also the narrator, Poseidon, and Zeus.
dawn musk
They all have the similar-ish bassy growly voice, I think?
Like they def are distinctive, but they share similar qualities
Chronos's just feels like knowing that Darren voiced both Zag and Skelly
tacit tapir
I love that they've confirmed the narrator is Homer
dusty storm
If memory serves, he's also the narrator, Poseidon, and Zeus.
we did name both narrators from both Bastion and Hades so
and also Pyre and Mr. Nobody might count as a narrator
dawn musk
I love how the two games have the hype man ever and the hater ever back to back
prime timber
Eris is definitely the Hater ever, yes. 😛
dusty storm
Scylla could also count
dusty storm
Ah
summer wren
cobalt shard
huh, neat
is this the only case of two characters in the series having the same voice actor?
tall basin
Pretty sure the VA for Zagreus did one other voice in Hades 1
Iirc
He does a couple other characters in Hades 2
covert egret
(Zagreus was also voiced by Darren Korb, the guy mentioned above)
placid thistle
darren did orpheus, didn't he?
boreal vale
supergiant has basically 3 core VAs and then hire the occasional person for stuff that's completely out of their range
turbid sparrow
also the joke is that they are the same character
cobalt shard
who's the same character?
turbid sparrow
Skelly and schlelemeis
cobalt shard
huh??
where did you hear that?
Skelly is just some random wisecracking skeleton
Schelemus is a renowned great hero
turbid sparrow
Lol my mistake
paper spire
Skelly doesn't have a beard
placid thistle
the joke is vaguely funny but doesn't skelly actually say his (supposed) full name in h1
boreal vale
he does yes
covert egret
I don't remember that at all but I suspect that's just an indictment of my memory
boreal vale
and zagreus iirc thinks he's making it up
cobalt shard
my understanding was that Skelly was pretending to be the legendary hero to impress him, which is why Zagreus didn't believe it
fresh nebula
It's left incredibly fuzzy if he was or was not
prime timber
Might be true, might be complete BS. It's hard to tell with Skelly.
Like if he's making fun of you or giving completely earnest advice.
placid thistle
huh, faster run than it felt like
boreal vale
dusty storm
Did the Axe's dash-strike get added to its standard combo?
dusty storm
this cat is straight up chilling
bold palm
Jeeze topple how'd you manage that?
tacit tapir
huh, faster run than it felt like
Nice! I managed a 13 with the skulls as my fastest so far
Aphrodite attack, plus two skulls, skulls explode when picked up
You just stand on bosses and left click spam and do 3kish per round of skulls
boreal vale
ok i got hit by some new horseshit that definitely need an adjustment lol
chronos hit me, triggered DD, and during the DD animation went into the insta-kill
all the way across the arena
I literally could not get there in time
i still killed him but come on
weary steeple
that happened to me recently, too
i do wish the death defiance would give some pause, even if chronos can manipulate time
dawn musk
I just noticed that Odysseus is balancing a knife on his fingertip in his portrait
weary steeple
huh! guess i was too busy looking at the text to notice
tacit tapir
chronos hit me, triggered DD, and during the DD animation went into the insta-ki...
Oh yeah I got hit by that a couple runs back too
It feels very chronos tbh
I kinda like it
worthy anchor
chronos hit me, triggered DD, and during the DD animation went into the insta-ki...
you can dodge the insta-kill if you time it right
it's harder than getting to the safe spot, but if you can't make it, try that instead.
boreal vale
well the problem is, with the dash change, I had just used my dash to try to reach it
fresh nebula
well the problem is, with the dash change, I had just used my dash to try to rea...
So the next step is to have demetrs infusion, reducing it's damage to 15, which you clearly can just make happen instnatly 😛
scenic drum
My latest Hades 1 News:
- Beat up Hades for the first time, clearly the shield is my weapon of choice because I take damage like crazy.
- Getting extra swag through fishing.
- Still don't know what ambrosia is for quite yet.
tacit tapir
Almost everyone first clears with shield
prime timber
Almost everyone first clears with shield
||Hera Bow|| for me.
tacit tapir
If you're patient it lets you go pretty safe
scenic drum
I can only dodge so much honestly
fresh nebula
||Hera Bow|| for me.
Fists for me i'm pretty sure
prime timber
Also fair. Weapon I struggled the most with was Spear.
Didn't let me be aggressive enough.
fresh nebula
It's possible it was GUn instead, since one of the aspects for that is just hilariously hilariousyl broken
Hades 2 upper path spoiler||Eris using it against me is just rude||
prime timber
That's what makes the early phase of that fight fun for me. I know those tricks.
tacit tapir
On eris? She has very very high damage but is quite vulnerable otherwise I found.
I did a couple runs against her with Hestia dash and trying not to use it just to learn her patterns
And then found it not that hard after
One of the big things is killing her fast really limits her attack options
If you take a while between phases she starts using some scarier things but if you kill her fast she is pretty predictable
prime timber
Like all Rail users, Eris hates it when you don't let her abuse range
tacit tapir
So far I've found in Hades two knives and skulls seem much stronger than the others
Have other people found that to be true for them too?
Specifically melinoe and medea skulls, and pan knives
Charon axe also seems pretty strong
Been mostly eh about the staff and the torches
I wish Charon axe also exploded your Delta casts
scenic drum
Also fair. Weapon I struggled the most with was Spear.
Spear got me pretty far since it can backstab easy and it gives me range.
tacit tapir
My favorite was bow and spear
Arjuna bow and... Achilles spear? The lunging one
Been a while
worthy anchor
So far I've found in Hades two knives and skulls seem much stronger than the oth...
For me it's knives and staff - those can get crazy high DPS.
Haven't had any clears nearly as fast as with those two.
prime timber
Knives with Backstab Hammer and Aphrodite just shred things
fresh nebula
Esp if you go Artemis Knives
Parry into CRIT TOWN
It's al itlte one nopte though, which is why my current faovurite way to start a run is with the Chaos keepsake
random epic chaos boon? Yes plz.
prime timber
Chaos Runs are fun.
fresh nebula
(and i think tehcincally you can manage to avoid it transforming if you hit enough shops)
prime timber
You can indeed!
fresh nebula
Not a reliable thing to do though, but useful to know if you get something really good like a massive attack bonus or special bonus
But even just getting "Have a pile of gold" or "Have a pile of life regen" straight out of the gate
and then transforming into something else is really fucking good
prime timber
I do have a soft spot for Arachne's keepsake, especially if I'm rocking Hephastus stuff.
I just need to be more careful while I have it lol
Walking into Hecate with 90-something Armor is a statement
Side note, who was your Wall boss in this game?
bold palm
I am bedecked in the favour of gods and spiders
prime timber
The one you ran into and it took a while to figure out how to handle it
For me, it was Polyphemus, that bastard.
bold palm
I'm still having that a bit with poly yeah
fresh nebula
Side note, who was your Wall boss in this game?
Honestly? Hecatae and then Final Boss.
bold palm
The upper bosses are hard
prime timber
He hits like a truck.
fresh nebula
Eris took a while to down as well
Poly is, bluntly, not a very well designed fight ucrrently
fresh nebula
he's a bunch of hard to see aoes, a hurtbox when no other creature has a hurt box
(His leap)
and he can randomly spawn Fuck You, Die sheep.
prime timber
Yuuuup.
fresh nebula
(The rams, who do contact damage and stun, with no cd)
Which like, they're not unbeatable or anything, butr they sure are baffling as a design decision
prime timber
Big C was definitely tricky, but I think I've got him down now.
fresh nebula
Big C i can smoosh pretty reliably
prime timber
Hecate is a good first boss.
prime timber
Yeeee
fresh nebula
makes his first phase easy, and his second phase is well... easier than his first phase
so lol
prime timber
Just gotta not get caught out on the second phase.
That or get cozy with grandma's boons. 😛
Face-tanking the OHKO for 15 damage is 
That and the Cold slows him down too.
fresh nebula
Face-tanking the OHKO for 15 damage is <:chefkiss:683456242164826143>
I tried that earlier, and it idndt actually work anymore 😦
prime timber
noooooo
fresh nebula
Or something else werid happened annd either way i took the full damage
prime timber
But yeah, Aphrodite will probably keep her position as Best Goddess in this game.
Her boons are just all good.
tacit tapir
Turns out massive percent damage increase always good
prime timber
Also Weak and the absolutely bonkers life restore boon she has.
tacit tapir
Weak is ok, just don't get hit SMH
prime timber
Alternatively, facetank through and heal it all off by walking through the door.
bold palm
Interesting to think that hephy has a duo boon with hera that gives massive percent multiplier, but also aphrodite does it by herself as long as she's close
Get you that hot girl hephy
prime timber
Indeed!
Aphrodite just chilling and letting the other Olympians forget she used to be a war god. 😛
bold palm
I need to check out some of the other potential duo boons
I'm trying to remember what I've had already, and it's quite a few. My main thing is I love doubling up on Hephy's stuff
The one with Hestia is great and I actually love working with it on timing.
The Demeter one can cause insane lock down.
I think Apollo's is just simple but really quite effective.
Aphrodite's one can work really well but is much better grabbed early on in the run.
Same for Hera's one, and then it like... keeps you locked out of attack and special ones
I know I've had the Zeus one cause Zeus is a prick I just can't remember it
dawn musk
Have other people found that to be true for them too?
It's staff and skull for me
Staff lets me abuse range, and skull lets me abuse invincibility
prime timber
All of 'em are good in their own ways: Staff has a lot of versatility and can take to any boons, Twin Blades and Axe are both monsters for damage and have good Omegas for defensive purposes, Skull gives nuts invincibility and good AoE
And then there's the torches.
Which, uh.
Dodge the being good part somehow.
paper spire
Dagger Special stacks like wild with anything that adds flat damage
prime timber
Like Poseidon, ye.
And of course the default knives let you backstab with the special too.
paper spire
They need to make the attack easier to aim if there's multiple enemies
I cannot get that little target to do what I want thank you Slowdown Arcana
dawn musk
And then there's the torches.
The torch benefits from extremely tight spacing
Interesting glitch
You can phase out of bound in Oceanus with the skull
Dunno if it can happen in other rooms
weary steeple
ooo that'll be good to send to the devs
tacit tapir
Aphrodite just chilling and letting the other Olympians forget she used to be a ...
Used to? Didn't she start the whole Iliad thing?
prime timber
Define "start"
tacit tapir
points at Helen
prime timber
Did her actions lead to that, yes. That was not her as a War goddess
That was Love
And Eris being a bitch
tacit tapir
To be fair, that is Eris' job description
pulsar swallow
Aphrodite as a deity is one of the ones that is most obviously a product of syncretism
To the point that there are two separate origin myths for her
She was a warrior god to the Spartans, but that's just them being jackboots.
dusty storm
Side note, who was your Wall boss in this game?
Lower path final
We're not gonna say the other bosses aren't hard - they are. But we can beat them pretty consistently (we think have a 3/5 track record against ||Eris||) There's just something about ||Chronos|| that really hits us hard.
weary steeple
yeah the damage and chunky health are usually what give me the most trouble
tacit tapir
I think Scylla gave me the hardest time, since there were three patterns to learn not one
dawn musk
I think Scylla gave me the hardest time, since there were three patterns to lear...
Scylla is hard until you learn to create space
dawn musk
The biggest threat is Roxy with her gigantic area denial, so focus her down. Once she's out the arena is significantly safer
Scylla herself is the least dangerous thing in that arena in my opinion
dusty storm
Featured Scylla can get a little bullet hell
But otherwise, yeah, that's not an assessment we disagree with necessarily
fresh nebula
Lack of AOE can be painful too, doubling up on hits is so nice
The funniest thing i've done to them is Hera + the 1k nuke cast.
I linked all 3 and hit all 3 with the nuke, the health bar just exploded
dawn musk
I love using Hera against them
Scylla feels pretty unique in how she distinctively gets weaker as the fight goes on
tacit tapir
Scylla is hard until you learn to create space
See, I refuse, I always go hard as I can for maximum DPS and just rely on dodging as much as possible.
Just dodge every attack and you don't need space if you're always just slightly to the side of the attack.
dawn musk
Lmao
That's real and based until Scylla decides to do her scream or Jetty does her thing
I think you just need to run off to the other end for a lap to get them off your back
tacit tapir
Nah, it's all dodgable. You just gotta be precise enough with the iframes.
dawn musk
True, but how long can you remain precise with it
tacit tapir
Uhhhh, long enough I haven't lost a death defiance to anything but Chronos in at least 15 runs
dawn musk
Nice
fresh nebula
and then i have runs where i loose so many
usually skull runs
i am not good at the skull
tacit tapir
Skull is optimal for me
Since it's the best close range weapon
I don't like the omega special, but the rest of it is great
fresh nebula
stares in Artemis Daggers
dawn musk
Omega special gives invincibility
tacit tapir
Yeah but if you dodge right, you don't need it
fresh nebula
Aretmis daggers do insane damage
tacit tapir
You can just tap right click for mobility and get back to doing damage
fresh nebula
Artemis*
and i'm pretty sure Aphro Axe will outdamage any other weapon, because Aphro axe is Very Silly
dawn musk
It lets you charge through a swarm of the spinny guys or through Chronos's lunge
So pretty nice in my opinion
tacit tapir
Sure, but you can also just dodge slightly to the side and keep hitting Chronos with skulls
fresh nebula
tacit tapir
Vs something like lunge
fresh nebula
Than Axe is also very silly when you go in on it
dawn musk
I think it covers enough area that you can justify the omega special
fresh nebula
I just do not enjoy skulls, and i dotn really udnerstand the idea of playing them melee, so we/e
Very happy with Axe/Staff/Daggers
dawn musk
Try Medea's skull?
fresh nebula
whcih is a lot better than Hades 1 where i really only liked Fists/Gun, and even then, only sepcific aspects.
Also Excalibur
Feels too awkard to me
dawn musk
Oh you didn't like the shield
tacit tapir
I just do not enjoy skulls, and i dotn really udnerstand the idea of playing the...
So the thing is that they drop immediately back on top of you when you're melee range
My fastest run was +2 skulls, and skulls explode when you pick them up
So I had 5 skulls just spamming left click, dodge an attack, pick them up, go back in(all 5 explode), attack 5 times, channel an omega cast, etc
With aphrodite you do about 350 a skull with whatever build I had at the time
I don't remember how much hp Chronos had but I was usually triggering an invuln phase every time I did a cycle
dawn musk
Just melted Chronos with Aphrodite dagger hook knives special
Love the "btw, doubles your DPS" hammer upgrades
pulsar swallow
Okay, I'm liking staff with hitch
fresh nebula
Hitch is very weird, but if you can get the dash for it, or another way to easily spread it, it's incredibly strong
It's a shame Aphro/Hera boon is so bad though for it ;.;
bold palm
Hitch with the staff I can see as being great for just attacks
because swoosh multiple people with hitch
fresh nebula
I've liked it on Axe/Staff, but mostly I prefer Hera boons as support I think. She's got the best mana boon, and bridal glow is a great late grab
prime timber
Finally got to try out Aphrodite Artemis twin-blades
And can I just say
Holy shit
Also got the Hera Special and Sprint, so Scylla and the Sirens just
Disintegrated
Didn't even make it to the chorus
pulsar swallow
because swoosh multiple people with hitch
Yeah:D
I had a pretty good run the other night
With hitch, weed killer, and the staff hammer that makes it hit twice in one direction
fresh nebula
With hitch, weed killer, and the staff hammer that makes it hit twice in one dir...
Grab Apollo for the it goes twice, and you fire four times in one direction
pulsar swallow
Oh the % based one? That'd be funi
fresh nebula
Oh the % based one? That'd be funi
No, Apollo's legednary doubles the cost of your omegas, but doubles up their effects too
fresh nebula
Apologies you need 1 of his attack or special boons, one of his mana or sprint boons, and either of his cast boons iirc
solar cloud
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245948675128426505/1244145274725601391/image.png?ex=66540c14&is=6652ba94&hm=d3b9d04b415a31b8153740f949daeb9dd7781488532eeb740b7800a9bf61fef8& A friend of mine made a guide to ||Ephyra|| that lists how many side rooms each room has in order to help you maximize your rewards, because ||while what doors are available is randomized iirc, the rooms they lead to are the same every time||
solar cloud
<https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/245948675128426505/1244145274725601391/i...
Correction from more testing: the side rooms aren't guaranteed to open after clearing the main room, but the main rooms are consistent so that at least can help you maximize your "rolls"
prime timber
Beat Chronos with something other than the Twin Blades for the first time.
fresh nebula
Noice, noice
turbid sparrow
love skulls on chronos for his second phase instakill attacks, just talk shit get hit old man
prime timber
Aphrodite Special 😄
fresh nebula
Fun axe of Charon tech
if you get the "YOu can channel +15 mana into your special to fire it twice"
The delay is long enough to let you go Cast -> Channel -> Detonates first cast -> Immediately hit cast again -> Second cast immediately detonates
combine with anything like Apollo or Posiden cast for massive damage
tacit tapir
Nice
fresh nebula
Oh, it doesnt work with APollo cast
since you cant cast it again till the omega effect expires
great with Posi cast though
paper spire
Oh, it doesnt work with APollo cast
Coward game not letting us send the full might of the sun into foes v-v
prime timber
I mean, we don't have Helios on our side, so.
We were never going to send the full might of the sun in anyways. 😛
paper spire
Wait are they not the same guy, I thought it was one of those that got caught up in the GrecoRoman mesh
dawn musk
It's complicated
Though based on what I know Helios, like Selene who is the moon herself, is the sun himself
And Apollo is only the god of the sun the way Hades is the god of the dead
So kinda similar Artemis and Hecate both being moon goddesses whilst Selene is the moon herself
tacit tapir
There's a lot of overlap
Apollo is the sun God because he's in charge of driving the chariot across the sky
But Helios is the sun God of being the sun
They get syncretized a lot too I think
The sun is actually usually one of Apollo's like, minor domains?
Music and prophecy I usually see as more directly associated with him
Oh and like, healing
And archery alongside Artemis as kind of sibling shared domain deal
It's actually a bit odd he's so sun focused in Hades
fresh nebula
I mean, we don't have *Helios* on our side, so.
Helios is a bag of dicks though, Circe told me so. and madeline miller would never lie to me
dawn musk
It's actually a bit odd he's so sun focused in Hades
He reads more as a god of light to me
fresh nebula
(I actually really dont like Hade's take on circe just because Madeline Miller's take is so strong. and i have a lot of toruble reovlsing "Fairy godmother Circe" with "Turns men to pigs and will cut a bitch" mytholigical Circe.
dawn musk
But also, harder to portray "killing them with art, prophecies, medicines, music,..."
prime timber
I mean, she likes Mel
dawn musk
Evil airheaded woman
We need more of that
Though more inattentive than airhead but her voice and demeanors give that impression
dawn musk
Apollo is the sun God because he's in charge of driving the chariot across the s...
Thought Helios himself drives it
prime timber
Circe is still nicer than Medea
dawn musk
Is she? There's the whole debacle with Scylla and Glaucus
tacit tapir
I think Grandma that cuts a bitch is an underdeveloped market
dawn musk
But also, harder to portray "killing them with art, prophecies, medicines, music...
Actually he coulda taken some of Aphrodite's recovery boon
No idea why she'd have so many healing boons
tacit tapir
I wish we saw like, some monsters come in and she just absolutely goes full cackling witch on them and then turns to us and is like "hey wanna cookie dear?"
And offers us a transmuted monster
pulsar swallow
Apollo is a comparatively latecomer to the olympiad, which is why he has such a grab bag of domains, iirc
worthy anchor
I'm not sure what makes me so much slower than speed runs, still, but yay, new PB by 2s xD
signal gull
beat chronos with the skulls, first victory
having a tough time actually figuring out what the torches want from you
placid thistle
they want you to suffer
prime timber
Torches want special spam.
dawn musk
Torches want spacing so tight you feel like playing Smash
fresh nebula
I honestly wish the torches had a normal attack string on their attack, like... every other weapon that's not skulls. and then just a proper hold to charge omega.
dusty storm
It'd be cool if the torches let you move at, like
walking speed while using them
because they're supposed to be a mobile, quick weapon, y'know?
turbid sparrow
the omega attack just takes so long to build up to, if like double clicking attack made it switch to it's omega attacks instantly it would feel so much better
dusty storm
a more manual way to trigger omega attack would also be good
tacit tapir
Yeah it kinda just takes too long to ramp up in my experience
I find myself just using the special because the normal attack is so slowwww
prime timber
Wooo!
bold palm
Hell yeah!
pulsar swallow
Exploding backstab meli knives
dawn musk
Out unga'd her bunga
worthy anchor
Yesss, new personal best
Beats my record in Hades 1, actually.
Aspect of Momus is seriously good
paper spire
White Antler is so strong you are mighty and brave
worthy anchor
oh yeah, White Antler is great, too
paper spire
But also; doesn't Chronos do like 35 per hit
worthy anchor
I'm playing with God Mode for now, so
paper spire
I want to say there's a 1 hp buffer for oneshots anyhow
worthy anchor
I mean, he does have that one attack that specifically oneshots you.
paper spire
i've hit exactly one touch from death too often for it to be chance
nawh i mean in general
worthy anchor
So maybe that bypasses it, but not other attacks?
It's possible 🤷♂️
I just know that I struggle to get timing/dodging perfect, and with God Mode I can enjoy the game (which is still challenging) and do high Fear and fast runs to challenge myself in ways I enjoy.
paper spire
having 30 max hp is challenging enough you don't have t'defend choices
none of this was sarcastic if it read like it sorry aa
worthy anchor
no, no
I guess I've just run into too many people who think that God Mode is cheating
So I preemptively get defensive.
You're good 🙂
paper spire
i do wonder if Poseidon will remain this strong or if others will be brought up to match
that flat damage just stacks so well with so much
worthy anchor
I don't think Poseidon is too good.
On anything but Momus, I think other gods are competitive, and even on Momus it's mostly because it can double-hit and makes it really easy to get origination.
Even on Pan Blades, I think Aphrodite is competitive, because you'll want to be close to hit with all of them anyway.
But Momus, with Double Moonshot, just is incredibly strong, and Poseidon is best for that, which makes Poseidon seem super strong - I just don't think it's due to Poseidon.
If that makes sense?
worthy anchor
Sure, Poseidon is amazing on the blades - but not unbeatably so. Especially if you build for Artemis and ΩAttack, where +% from Aphro is also amazing.
fresh nebula
Hestia's also really cracked on blades, actually
Just because of how spontaneous combustion (the if 300 burn, it explodes) actually works
See that big packet of damage it does? That's affected by all your % damage modifiers
So it's easily possible to nuke things for over 500 damage
tacit tapir
I feel like 500 damage isn't even that great tho'?
worthy anchor
Depends on how fast you get there. The blades attack really fast, so if each stab applies 50 ish scorch, then each combo will trigger that explosion.
And that's pretty good.
Not as high DPS as a Momus Double Shot or Pan special build, but those really stand far above anything else atm.
worthy anchor
Okay, so Cherished Heirloom doesn't affect:
- White Antler
- Aromatic Phial and all the God Boons (because there'd be no effect once they're maxed anyway and I suspect they didn't want it to work only on most levels)
Which is annoying because I'm using White Antler atm -.-
fresh nebula
I feel like 500 damage isn't even that great tho'?
There's a lot of ways to trigger burn, Hestia's cast stacks it immensely fast, and she has a bunch of good duo boons
Also it's always ticking as you build up to it, so you're getting the dot damage as well as the eventual nuke
prime timber
God, got to finally experience the might of Poseidon while I was streaming a fresh run for a friend.
Staff Special with Poseidon and a Doubling hammer cleared me through up to Scylla with two Arcana.
bold palm
I enjoy doing the arcana gain run
they're rather fun
but I need to make sure I get death defiance...
prime timber
Hey, it lets you have a few active, iirc
fresh nebula
3 active in fact
bold palm
Yee and you get to gain more as you go along which is fun
scenic drum
Still playing through Hades 1 but now I'm regularly getting to the final boss.
tacit tapir
Wooo
bold palm
My cast was VERY powerful
First I could aim it with Zeus' lightning and it struck when it hit, then it expanded thanks to apollo, while demeter had a cyclone of frost inside of it, then after it had finished up it did apollo's massive area smite over and over
timid pike
First I could aim it with Zeus' lightning and it struck when it hit, then it exp...
oh I had a run with those exact boons on cast
was fun
bold palm
I also had something that let you charge it up another layer and have it cost 45 mana but I also had zeus' mana thing which meant I didn't have enough
tacit tapir
PATCH NOTES
"📢 Umbral Flames: Attacks are stronger and faster; Omega Attack channels faster and uses less magick; Special gives a speed boost, but has reduced damage; Omega Special can be channeled while moving"
Hell yeah
prime timber
Thank god
tacit tapir
Oh, Momus got a rework
"· Witch's Staff (Momus): reworked; each of your Omega Moves automatically fires several times in succession from where you use them"
TON of daedalus changes
Big Selene buffs
OH THANK GOD "📢 Fixed deadliest attack of ||Chronos|| occasionally hitting when Melinoë was in a supposedly safe point"
worthy anchor
yeah, the changes look very cool
I suspect the hexes didn't get enough yet, but everything else looks very cool.
Including moving some aspects into hammers
paper spire
Dark Side got a cost increase? I have yet to have it feel functional
worthy anchor
The serenity staff now feels a lot better, and I even got the new double moonshot
which is still amazing, but it now has a tendency to push enemies out of its range, which makes it less broken, I suspect.
I look forward to testing all the changed weapons.
tacit tapir
Dark Side got a cost increase? I have yet to have it feel functional
It can be very good if you get the attack applies effects of your boons
Otherwise yeah it's often kinda underwhelmingly
paper spire
That can be wild with Moonbeam too, makes sense
prime timber
It's wild how much better the Flames are now.
timid pike
OH THANK GOD "📢 Fixed deadliest attack of ||Chronos|| occasionally hitting when...
Oh I think I had it once or twice where I went - wait I thought I was inside?!
signal gull
These new hexes are insane
tbh i'm worried they might be too much
I had a build yesterday where I could spam omegas and just fill up my hexes over and over
to the point where it lowkey trivialized a lot of encounters
worthy anchor
I haven't tested them enough yet, but they wouldn't be the first devs to overbuff something that the playerbase avoided, just to get more data and a better feel for where it should land.
Because afaict, a lot of players (me included) actively avoided hexes before this patch.
signal gull
I did too
until I did spend a few rooms buffing them
at which point I saw the point
i think the issue with them is legit just that they take too long to ramp up
If they gave you some path of stars upgrades right as you got your first one I think they'd be a lot cleaner, rather than them being too good currently imo
I had a build yesterday that was absurd, it used Hera's born again, the axe's special and Phase Shift
by the Second time I got to Selene's path of stars, I could spam my special and basically get into phase shift again right as I was getting out of it
and it only got worse with Sudden Cleaver and that one demeter boon that made my omega attack take more magick but deal more damage
it was also still pretty useful against chronos because I had some "when the hex is ready deal more damage" stuff
prime timber
It's nice to have the bigger Hexes be more usable, but the 40 Magick Wolf Dive spam is pretty nuts
tacit tapir
They're often good just for more invulnerability
TBH
For the ones like wolf jump that just are cheap and give you a second of invuln that's often very good
For the ones that do DPS as their goal, they need a bit more to actually be worth doing if they do it instead of you doing your normal DPS
Because you're usually optimizing your normal DPS to be better
worthy anchor
Congrats!
scenic drum
Stilly playing Hades 1 and have cleared I think about 5 times, did a lot of fishes, spruced up the chambers considerably, making friends and being a standup prince of the underworld as I go. Also looking to romance Than because why would I not want to...?
bold palm
That's a powerful heaven strike
bold palm
Hey so dumb question
does anyone have any ideas for who the giant stone head is in the mourning fields?
tacit tapir
I don't remember noticing a particular giant stone head
dusty storm
The one that watches you?
dusty storm
You can also see it in some of the actual rooms proper iwrc
worthy anchor
yup
Also, no idea
but fun fact, if you're playing Eos flames and have daybreaker active, it also gains spinny balls when you use your ΩSpecial
which can also apply blitz, which promptly gets triggered by the burst
bold palm
oh that is super cool
I'm giving Eos flames a try right now
I have poseidon attack and it basically pops in pushes
pulsar swallow
I dont have any factual info, but I guess it might be one of the titans
pulsar swallow
That's a powerful heaven strike
I had a yarn of fate hit a boon trade
bold palm
Hehehehehhehe take that you sandy bitch
pulsar swallow
And second clear right after the first!
Giga moonshot, nova special
Local climate and apollo dash for origination
fresh nebula
Very nice!
worthy anchor
Heh, I just had a fun run with a weird arcana setup. I figured I want to level up Circe's keepsake, and the arcana it picked to activate was... Judgement.
So by the time I got to Chronos, I had most Arcana active xD
placid thistle
cutting this erebus a bit close
5 minutes is not a ton of time when you don't have an attack+ boon
timid pike
Oh wowie, torches are real good with last update
dawn musk
Do you think there'll be an alternate path from Erebus?
Since the fountain room is shaped weirdly and it feels as though there is space for a new path to branch from
tacit tapir
Probably not for a while if they do.
We already have the above/below split
I can't imagine them doing two belows before they've even finished above
bold palm
I'm actually pretty uncertain about continuing stuff on right now. I'm keeping off from going too far in people's relationships, some of which I've failed in that, until the full game's out
timid pike
Not playing much just to start fresh on full release myself
scenic drum
I've "finished," Hades 1. Now I'm playing through the secondary game
tacit tapir
You got the credits?
scenic drum
You got the credits?
Yeah I got to the credits.
solar cloud
worthy anchor
Didn't end up being a fast run, but hooo boy that damage at the end
The ΩSpecial by itself triggered slip and scorch (the charging, technically, through Funeral Pyre) and was boosted by Chant and the Jerky.
Which meant that the knives would occasionally crit for 300ish damage, which impressed me - they're usually a lot weaker than that xD
bold palm
you say not fast but damn
tacit tapir
I mean trying to speed run fast vs casual fast are different
worthy anchor
What Tohu said, but also, I'm running with godmode, so I can play aggressively and try for speedrun times, without having to be that good.
My personal best is just over 12'.
So for me, this is relatively slow ^^
worthy anchor
If I run without, I'm much much slower, as I have to not die so much more xD
worthy anchor
Absolutely! And that's fun too.
I can do it in about 20', which is still respectable, I think. But I enjoy hunting the low times more than avoiding damage xD
worthy anchor
Yup, 20' almost exactly!
This was a fun build!
Scalding Vapor is great, and powered by Slow Cooker and Heroic Slip and Smolder Ring meant that all my attacks dealt tons of damage and lead to permanent uptime on the steam.
bold palm
Love me some hestia
prime timber
Arson Auntie is great
bold palm
I'd worship Hestia. Bonfires and cooking fires and arson for the bastards
tacit tapir
Iirc they're kinda hamming up her fire angle
Like Apollo is usually way more associated with the arts, fire is usually a pretty minor part of her domains
bold palm
She's hearth and everything too right?
dawn musk
She's the hearth and the sacrifical pyre too I think
So she would have a claim over every offering you made
prime timber
She's one of the Important Ones for sure.
bold palm
She such a nice granny, I would kill for her and she'd be like "that's nice dear"
tacit tapir
Yeah. Her function of the pyre and hearth is much more complex than "Big Burning Fire"
tacit tapir
They have her as far more aggressive than I would have. I'd have designed her... Maybe more about traps and defensive burns rather than offensive burns maybe.
prime timber
I do love that Hestia has the number one counter to Eris and the Rail.
tacit tapir
Lean into her mother and household defender identity
prime timber
After all, she used it first.
tacit tapir
Instead of her cast throwing it out, maybe make it do extra to enemies who walk into it
Rather than who start in it
Kind of deal
prime timber
Hestia does have one fo the best defensive boons.
tacit tapir
It's true.,
prime timber
Again, the run is great
tacit tapir
Hestia dash is ridic
bold palm
I would love like a hestia boon of protective warmth that gives you a bit of armour and if people hit your armour it lights them on fire
Work well with Hephy
prime timber
I would love more armor interactions.
tacit tapir
Mmm. I don't think she'd give armor, but maybe a regen interaction instead.
prime timber
Not least of all because the silk dress is my favorite trinket.
tacit tapir
Like when you take damage, it scorches nearby enemies and then you heal based on your scorch DPS
Or something
bold palm
I will admit I thought armour because of the forge and other important fires. And I'd love more Armour interactions
tacit tapir
That's fair, I see her primary stuff as being more... Sacrifice and home and protection, fire is just like... The tying bond, rather than the main theme, is the way I'd put it?
bold palm
yeah
tacit tapir
If she gave armor I think it'd be at the expense of health.
Like, when you take damage, gain that much armor.
Or something
bold palm
yeah, like a charred outside boon
and then if they add any more duo boons, having molten armour would be fun
Big fan of her
I do like her current duo with Hephy, striking while the iron is hot
tacit tapir
Hephy I think needs work.
I'd like to see his attack/special boons go down in time when you hit things or something
bold palm
ah something to make it faster?
tacit tapir
It's currently by far one of the lowest dps boons yeah
So it's useful if you don't use one of your attacks very often in your patterns
To just throw in every once in a while
But you ALSO need to have good target access
On that attack set
So like if you're doing axe and doing an attack build, it can be ok to put it on special
fresh nebula
It's also really badly neutered by any kind of enemy armor/shield effect
as armor doesnt allwo for spil lover damage
prime timber
It is nice for the big patient chunks, but yeah.
pulsar swallow
I think heroic hephy attack hard caps at 2s cooldown?
tacit tapir
I forget who was talking about this
I think it might have been @bold palm
But I'm pretty sure the big head in the Fields of Mourning is Oedipus
He's bleeding from the eyes because he ripped them out
And died due to stupid love bullshit
pulsar swallow
I kinda assumed it was a fragment of a titan
bold palm
||part of me wondered if it was persephone. Because the cruel irony of seeing her repeatedly while not knowing who she is.||
tacit tapir
One of my faster runs at higher fear
Current fear effects
Most relevant boons
I was doing cast -> omega special -> Hex -> cast -> hex2 -> omega special -> hex 1 -> cast -> hex 2 -> omega special etc
Basically full invuln
I think I actually didn't take damage from Chronos?
Bought that 40 armor from the leftover gold at last charon and apparently I never got hit lmao
hot wren
worthy anchor
This patch looks amazing, tbh
I love the new Ionic Gain, though I didn't really get to test it in this run - I got a 17mana/s chaos boon that took care of all my mana needs xD
Also, the new Poseidon stuff is certainly cool, although the spout was a bit too late for me always.
Didn't end up doing much, as Charon special+cast took care of most enemies
Still, definitely much more viable now.
Gotta try new Hestia next
tacit tapir
"· Entering ||Chaos
while in the Mourning Fields||
no longer causes you to skip a Location in that region"
HUGE
I'd never do it previously
The regions are just too valuable
Oh hell yes on the new Cauldron stuff
prime timber
The bones changes make me really want to reach the end with Arachne trinket now
dusty storm
😔
placid thistle
fair
worthy anchor
Hah, that was a fun chaos boon run. Also fun duos in general, now.
fresh nebula
Divinity
: Awakening requirement expanded to include activating a column of Cards (not just a row)
This makes me genuinely happy
Spontaneous Combustion (Hestia)
: cut from game; replaced with... NOOOOOOOOOO
spontanoues COmbustion was gso good
(and also really kinda broken)
worthy anchor
Hm, I still think the majority of hexes are underpowered.
Like, sure, I can have Lunar Ray up all the time, but without the one upgrade that lets me drop it and continue dodging, it's useless. Not enough dps compared to just... not... using it. And it exposes me to a ton of damage.
Wolf Howl is probably better, and Moon Water always worked since it's a very different effect, but any others? No, thanks, I'll take a regular boon instead every time.
Actually, Phase Shift once you make it affect Chronos... That's useful too.
That's 2, maybeee 3, of the hexes that are worthwhile.
dawn musk
Total Eclipse is 1000 damage on a boss
worthy anchor
Yeah, I guess that's fine? The wind up is still needless risk but I guess that one is at least not on my way usually.
I'd still rather have another boon unless my build is already great.
At which point I don't need Selene either anyway.
dawn musk
I tend to just drop it, you'll generally run into their face to drop your cast anyway
If it doesn't nail the boss then it nails the adds
Either way it's fewer things to bother with
worthy anchor
Yeah, fair enough - I won't be mad if I get TE.
I'll still never seek it out or pick it over anything else unless I'm already confident in my build or the alternative is even more useless.
Especially since I don't know what I'll get, and I might just end up getting Lunar Ray, Morph or Dark Side, which I never want to use.
fresh nebula
I thin kthe onyl hex i regard is useless useless is the morph one
Lunar ray is super dpedant on what you mention, yes
TE can give you invuln during the landing, which is great
dusty storm
Dark Side is, if nothing else, functionally free damage
also Lunar Ray with the triple beam against ||Cerberus|| fucking melts them
tacit tapir
Dark Side is, if nothing else, functionally free damage
This depends on if you care about speed
dusty storm
Vow of that time limit from the first game isn't real
worthy anchor
Yeah, I guess I really need to remember that a lot of players don't try to play fast the way I do.
But I did want to come back and apologize to Wolf Howl.
I got it (kinda forced to take a hex) and then leaned into it with Moon Beam for the fields, leading to nigh-permanent uptime on it, which was useful.
Still, Pan Blades/White Antler build continues to live.
(And I think it's a new PB, but I haven't checked yet.)
So I probably undervalue Hexes quite a bit, because I'm trying to play fast, where they kinda stink.
Most of them, anyway.
I do think that they're also very risky to use due to the spinup, unless they give you impervious.
Ended up being a bit over a minute slower than my previous PB, but that was with pre-patch Momus and White Antler, and god mode, so I'm pretty darn happy about this anyway.
Plus, I bought the new eros item before Tartarus and brought it all the way into the Chronos fight! Also very happy about that.
dusty storm
the Full Eclipse upgrade that just gives you invincibility while you wait for it to crash down is really nice
tacit tapir
Hexes don't suck when you're trying to play fast
Quite a number of them are quite good IMO
The only ones I've really thought were bad are healing nd the slowdown I think?
The other ones are often worth picking up just to see what you get as upgrades, and then deciding if you want to do more
Since most of them have upgrades that make them worth it
So you can always just choose not to invest
And pumping the hex relic for a zone isn't so bad
I usually go God -> God -> Hex/God -> Kill Chronos Help
Sometimes by 3 I go something for speed
But I find for 1 and 2 locking in the right boon set and/or the right combo boon is usually better than a pure speed relic
Getting poseidon boon on knives or w/e is just too good for a speed upgrade
pulsar swallow
Jesus, 12 minutes is zippy!
It's such fun getting Artemis arrows, Zeus chain lightning and hitch on a blades build
worthy anchor
The other ones are often worth picking up just to see what you get as upgrades, ...
That means picking it twice instead of something directly useful though, and particularly for speed, all but TE, Wolf Howl and Moon Water are bad, because of how much they slow you down.
TE can just be thrown out quickly, while you keep doing your thing, so that's okay; Wolf Howl is fast and can be used very often; Moon Water just doesn't slow you down at all.
For speed, all the others are quite bad, because they'll tank your dps. And even getting the fast ones, I have to lean into them to make them worthwhile.
Which, okay, can be fun occasionally, but I still would rather avoid them and pick 2+ other things instead of hoping I get good upgrades.
But really, like I said above, that's about playing fast, and they're probably quite decent if that's not your primary goal.
dawn musk
Would be nice if the hexes level up automatically or something
worthy anchor
And pumping the hex relic for a zone isn't so bad
That's true enough, I agree. I tend to go God/God/Thing I want to level or Chaos/Lion Fang, Evil Eye or Antler. If my build comes together in Erebus already, I'll swap to Chaos at that point already, since that means I can go through multiple Chaos boons, if the first one isn't helpful.
tacit tapir
Which, okay, can be fun occasionally, but I still would rather avoid them and pi...
Eh I don't necessarily agree. A lot of the time by the time I'm killing Charon I already have all the boons I need and then a number of kinda whatever ones
And a single chug at the hex gacha, identifying if you can get speed with a single empowered by relic upgrade, is almost always worth it imo if the goal is to get a lower time, rather than the goal being "always go as fast as possible"
The potential upside on speed can be great
So if you just want a lower time, you should pull the rng button and see if you win
worthy anchor
Again, it takes two picks, not one, and I disagree that they're worth anything for speed.
Apart from mayyybe TE. Because that's purely additional.
tacit tapir
Laser when you don't need to aim it, double wolf howl, a number of others are quite good
worthy anchor
Eh. Yeah, if you get lucky, I guess. Again, too much investment that could still not pay off.
tacit tapir
Consider ten runs you pull the hex vs ten you don't. You'll be on average slower, but the one you pull good hex will be faster.
worthy anchor
Mh. I see what you mean.
tacit tapir
Therefore you get a faster time
worthy anchor
I'll give it a shot a couple of times, let's see if it actually works out that way.
tacit tapir
The goal isn't to be consistently fast, at least for me, it's to get the lowest time I can
Sometimes that means I take risks on choices
Because if I assume perfect rng that decision would be correct
And eventually I'll get it
Also I'm not on God mode
And currently about 20-25 fear depending on weapon
So the invuln or utility a few of them offer can actually make me faster
Even if they don't provide pure dps
That might not be true for you
But when I have 60% more enemies that hit significantly harder and have more hp and can be enemies from the next toughest zone
Dying is bad for speed
That said, I don't want to get slower to the point of like, dark form without attack gets attack effect and something that works well with it
Dark form with instant omega cast and Poseidon omega cast is truly hilarious though
That run was so fast
Literally just mashing the cast button as fast as I can lmao
worthy anchor
Haha, yeah, that does sound like fun.
I play without God Mode at this point, too, although I tend to go for lower fear.
So the invuln is not really much of a gain - I rarely use any DDs before Chronos.
Really, what I need is more DPS and probably the skill to consistently apply it.
worthy anchor
Heh, that's a funny outcome. Despite stacking a bunch of bonus damage and power on my special (I also had tall order and perfect image), Blitz outdid the damage.
Moros was fun, but it's still awkward. I had 2-3 moments where for some reason, all the attacks just stacked up in front of me, inside of the special's range, until I cleared them again.
tacit tapir
The explosion on attacks will both cause and then proc blitz on the next explosion
A lot of the time
It's very good on moros and other effects that cause a lot of different damage instances
fresh nebula
I started this up teh toehr day to take more of a crack since there's been a couple of patches
realzied that the dodge was on a different button and attacks were on different buttons to elden ring\
went OH NO MY MUSCLE MEMORY
and put it right back down
bold palm
oh no
fresh nebula
I'll come back to it when there's more content i think
bold palm
Hephy let me fold a motherfucker.
worthy anchor
Nice! Hephy's sprint really doesn't gel for me, but I've seen it be really strong for others.
I'm glad you're having fun with it!
bold palm
It's SOOOO powerful, specially combined with his boon that increases explosion size and the vent boon
you run by someone, pop in the middle of a crowd, then if it hasn't killed them outright you just leave and vent kills them
worthy anchor
Because it's the one blast that scales damage, right?
bold palm
yup!
worthy anchor
I do already like the blasts on some weapons, because the cling-clong is just so satisfying
bold palm
They are goooood
worthy anchor
At some point, I wanna try getting one down to the 2s limit and just cling-clong all the way through
So far, I've mostly used them as a backup boom, which has been fun.
bold palm
It's a great combo with hestia's duo boon
cause if you strike while the iron's hot and get that cooldown they clang twice
worthy anchor
Mhm
And I do enjoy new scorch a lot
It's still imo not great, but I'm basically coming at it from a speedrun view. It might be just fine casually.
(not that I can actually compete with good runners, but I try to go fast)
bold palm
Honestly the run hephy boon was one of my faster runs, and I know I'm slow but you should consider looking into it.
regularly being able to set off an explosion even early on was amazing
cause you run, boom, stop, run, boom, the only 'cooldown' is the moment of running between explosions
worthy anchor
That was about scorch, not the Hephy sprint.
Hephy sprint, you're probably right! I should try and learn to use it better.
But I never thought it bad 🙂
worthy anchor
Went back to H1 for variety - got a really fun build, although I'm probably too out of practice to go fast (and I can't play H1 without god mode, it's so much harder for me)
there were so many lightning bolts here, since this was with the Hidden Bow aspect, whose special is much faster and fires all at one enemy - and then bounces to others!
so many hits
so much zap
dawn musk
I love cast build
Just had the easiest Eris clear ever
Literally just drop cast on her then run
bold palm
it good
Also the hestia run still clowns on the fight
I just wish it did more damage to her
boreal vale
tacit tapir
That's not Dora
placid thistle
more importantly, it's not artemis
bold palm
It's not ||icarus|| either
fresh nebula
(but yeah, should probably be Artemis)
Eh, Artemis/Melione read as sisters to me
worthy anchor
I can see why, but to me it seems a bit too flirty. I know they're (with Selene) the Silver Sisters, but Artemis (in) famously doesn't like men, so...
I'll romance Eris once I get the chance tho.
dusty storm
Eh, Artemis/Melione read as sisters to me
not that that's ever stopped greek gods
tacit tapir
They definitely read as sisters to me as well, but yeah Greek(deific) romance pretty much never cares about familial relation.
scenic drum
Reunited my Greek family in Hades 1!
prime timber
Woooo! Congrats!
worthy anchor
Nice!
worthy anchor
On one hand, it was such a good build and Rank IV Antler is stronk
but I still didn't manage to be faster T.T
tacit tapir
Glad they got rid of the weird zeus/hera legendary sacrifice interactions
Wait no, they just cut the forced sacrifice boon coming up from Hera
Damn
fresh nebula
Glad they got rid of the weird zeus/hera legendary sacrifice interactions
Werid inrteractions?
dawn musk
Hestia and Zeus on torch is a pretty lit combo
Torch just goes well with status effect spreading boons
worthy anchor
Lol, get Demeter+Aphrodite duo dialog - and those choices xD
worthy anchor
First sub-12 since the big patch
fresh nebula
First sub-12 since the big patch
Wait, big patch?
dusty storm
Lol, get Demeter+Aphrodite duo dialog - and those choices xD
popular, I see
worthy anchor
Wait, big patch?
The Momus nerf back in patch #2, actually.
worthy anchor
popular, I see
I've never seen an all-duos choice before xD
worthy anchor
upper saffron
Oh I started playing 1 when 2 came out.
But I did transition before 2 came out so it fits?
dawn musk
Interesting boon interaction
Lucid Gain works with Local Climate
Effectively giving you free mana
turbid sparrow
Let's goooo
oblique geode
I’m so excited for the new weapon, Dionysus and Athena returning, and fucking Prometheus
Looks terrifying
Oh it’s out NOW
tacit tapir
At work so I can't look
What's new
What's the new weapon, what do dio, Athena, and Prometheus do?
turbid sparrow
Prometheus is the third Olympus route boss now, athena and Dionysus are in the game now, and there's a new weapon
prime timber
Prometheus
Uh-Oh
blazing shale
How do you get Adamant?
blazing shale
Damn Prometheus got hands
fresh nebula
Prometheus is the third Olympus route boss now, athena and Dionysus are in the g...
Are those two as supproters out in the world, or are they boons you can get at all times?
blazing shale
Athena i encountered in Olympus as a supporter
turbid sparrow
Pretty sure I saw both gods giving boons in the trailer
prime timber
So the new weapon might be my favorite in either of the games
fresh nebula
So the new weapon might be my favorite in either of the games
Yeah? give us the deets
prime timber
Well, have you ever wanted to be a mech in Hades?
Fast as hell sprint, lots of punches, missiles
It is an even more aggressive knuckles.
worthy anchor
Are those two as supproters out in the world, or are they boons you can get at a...
Athena is definitely someone you meet occasionally and get a single boon from. Artemis-style.
I got the dash boon and... didn't notice it at all, tbh.
I suspect Dio will be the same.
proven orchid
So the new weapon might be my favorite in either of the games
it is such a DMC weapon, it's not even funny
blazing shale
It's great
fresh nebula
What does it do, exactly?
i havent wanted to boot the game up just yet, not in the mood for it
Oh, powe armor with rockets. Niiice
blazing shale
Ye
fresh nebula
Also looks llike the gameplay is similar to the speed of Endiku
which was my favourite in hades 1
dawn musk
Strange that they'd remove the axe's blocking move
ancient olive
It is an *even more aggressive* knuckles.
you had me at "punches" and "missiles"
oblique geode
I haven't encountered Prometheus yet (rusty, and Eris is back to skill gating me), but I feel like of anyone who has allied with Chronos, he probably has the most legit reasons to
prime timber
I am admittedly rather rusty still myself.
worthy anchor
Same, but this was a fun combo
My fully-charged ΩAttack did 1111 damage on a backstab hit - twice.
Chronos helpfully holds still long enough to do that.
worthy anchor
This was a fun run too xD King's Ransom and Supply Chain gave me a really high level on the Storm Ring, so...
Plus, with Killer Current it dealt even more than the 71.
bold palm
Spoilers for new Patch: Hypnos
||MY DUDE WHY IS IT ALL MADE OUT OF PAPERCRAFT!!!||
tacit tapir
||Maybe a dream world||
dusty storm
cannot unspoil. the pain
bold palm
Don't you worry
Also, the new weapon, the third version of it, I've found combos really well with aphrodite's dash boon that damages when you stop
prime timber
Boy does it
bold palm
Oh no she noticed that I took the tiny mode curse
Hooray my head on crash build worked!
Suck that foresight
prime timber
Yes, it's my favorite.
bold palm
Hell yeah
Headbutt headbutt headbutt
I also got the "when spending mana you cause lightning bolts" ability
so when the collision happens you get explosion, aphrodite explosion, lightning bolt... Some other things I'm sure
oh yeah I got the hitch Q so when I thumped into someone it exploded them then all their friends
prime timber
I enjoyed fighting him more than Eris.
bold palm
Eris feels to me that you can just entirely dunk on the fight if you get the right stuff, and if you don't get the right stuff, you're kinda just fucked
prime timber
Big C is easier for me than Eris.
bold palm
The best way is to just shame Eris with Hestia's run ability
literally just make her burn herself
dusty storm
Hestia run makes Eris a lot more of a cakewalk yeah
proven orchid
i think the most reliable weapon for me overall is still probably pan daggers with hestia special yeah
extra bonus if you get the '3 knives on dash attack' hammer
worthy anchor
Is almost everything basically on the upward?
The new familiars are on the downward path.
bold palm
Ahh that is GOOD to know thank you
worthy anchor
At least, the raven is, and I met the dog once downward, but need a second meeting still.
I assume that's also gonna be there, but don't know for 100% certain.
oblique geode
My favorite combo is any knives+bouncing special hammer upgrade and Hera's hitch
prime timber
Hera feels playable now, which is nice
proven orchid
where do you switch companions btw?
proven orchid
i'm having a lot of trouble coping with ||dionysus||' new look
prime timber
I believe my first words upon seeing that was "Please put a robe on"
Also, I love that his first reaction to meeting Mel is ||"Oh hey Zag, loving the new look."||
proven orchid
i do hope we get the 'special' weapon variants like guandao and rama as well. no reason we wouldn't i guess, but i am curious who's gonna be in the roster this time
bold palm
D put on some pants it's snowing
solar cloud
i'm having a lot of trouble coping with ||dionysus||' new look
I think he's having trouble coping too
muted gull
i'm having a lot of trouble coping with ||dionysus||' new look
yeah i haven’t run into ||him|| yet but it’s too much really, i can see how they went from ‘well we have characters naked from the shoulders up in a bath to thinking people wouldn’t mind it but like, get thee a bath towel ||sir||
prometheus is a fun fight i like how a lot of his attacks require you to have forethought about how you’re going to respond because they take up areas of the map
also that fucking eagle i hate it so much
first time it showed i was like ‘oh an eagle, zeus, friend :)’
paper spire
Eagle made it to the list of 'attacks I wouldn't mind having clearer aoe'
muted gull
eris i feel needs some adjustment because counterplay to a decent amount of her attacks is just ‘wait her out for a bit’ (i do understand you can dodge around very close to her and that also works, i think that needs to be encouraged more)
tacit tapir
I mean theoretically it's a speed game so that's what encourages you to do that
paper spire
My only Eris issue is the windup for the dash attack seems impossible to see
I avoid most stuff but that gets me every damn time
prime timber
Poly and Eris both seem to encourage patience
paper spire
also ogh these new songs
prime timber
But unfortunately I am an impatient bastard
proven orchid
Poly and Eris both seem to encourage patience
they both seem like they can punish minor slip ups at melee range a bit too hard
mel taking a hardline 'fuck them mortals' stance is interesting
paper spire
I wouldn't mind if Poly had like a visual update
The weird shadowy red aoes kind of get lost
bold palm
Im gonna slap poly over and over whole he sleeps for being a dick
proven orchid
i find poly pretty manageable but sometimes the angles and hitboxes on his jumps are a bit wonky
that and the exploding shadow sheep always sneak up on me
tacit tapir
When he rolls exploding sheep I can have a hard time but that's pretty much the only time for me these days
bold palm
Little sneaky bastarding sheep
muted gull
mel taking a hardline 'fuck them mortals' stance is interesting
yeah i was noticing that, very much literal divine right to rule which i suppose she would’ve had beaten into her head as motivation
paper spire
Man, still really don't enjoy the ||'Chronos pulls you to a random Hades location for bullshit king of the hill'||
prime timber
YOU KNOW IT
opal flame
Also, I love that his first reaction to meeting Mel is ||"Oh hey Zag, loving the...
||"Congrats on the transition!"|| comes to mind
dusty storm
If anyone was gonna be saying that, ||Dionysus|| would be the best candidate
solar cloud
If anyone was gonna be saying that, ||Dionysus|| would be the best candidate
I will admit, I did zoom the fuck in hoping to see some ||top surgery scars||