Intruder

[muted cloud]

Oh yeah there is that

Iirc it is energy + stability based too

Like it gets bloom after a bit

This is the panther penalty

[fathom heath]

interesting

but at high balance and energy center screen is pretty accurate?

[muted cloud]

It isn't too noticable imo, if you are hipfiring and aiming cneter mass, you will probably still hit

[muted cloud]

Yeah, high accuracy and energy should hit where the gun is pointing

If you really wanna see how noticable this is, try hipfiring with a sniper while standing still and with low energy!

[fathom heath]

I guess my question is more "where is the gun pointing"

[fathom heath]

but it sounds like center screen

[plush topaz]

it's center enough? at point blank range I don't bother aiming down sights

[muted cloud]

Assuming penalties/sway, it should be center yeah

[plush topaz]

you can just spam left click

they'll die

[fathom heath]

got it

[plush topaz]

like shots stun people hard

and you can put out a lot of bullets

and aiming down sights takes like a second

[muted cloud]

2 shots on a crouching target to stun them iirc

Actually there is a steam guide with all the values somewhere

[fathom heath]

I will say that this game scratches my CS/R6 itch pretty well

gives room for setups and sneaky shit while also letting me just Gun Harder

[muted cloud]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2883282568&searchtext=panther

The balance section has what the maximum balance for each thing is, and the weapons tell you the balance damage

Rule of thumb is 2 shots for moving targets and 3 for static

[empty panther]

<t:1711299600:R>

[plush topaz]

yup yup

<@&1218256285208936478> hey guys, pilot net spy night in 1.5 hours. today we're gonna stick to the cliffside map and learn it 👀

[dry quail]

oki

[plush topaz]

there's an out of date overview of cliffside in this video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XfKtnAie8E

[dapper warren]

I sure am glad I decided to explore every official map and get oriented on them

[plush topaz]

updated with this big update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOV7rEl7HDk

[viscid solstice]

I hope I Can join, as a completely newbie.
I also did do the tutorial but I am fully gonna be useless

[plush topaz]

no worries most of us are pretty bad

gonna try to keep teams at least balanced in terms of player counts, since people complained about that last time. if there's uneven teams I'll jump into spectator

[empty panther]

Also

as a quick tip

you can break the windows and use the rocky path below on Cliffside to go from one side to the other

[dapper warren]

you don't even have to break the windows

[plush topaz]

oh also quick tip: you can move that one pallet to expose a hidden door

the cliffside 2.0 video explains it

accesses the vents

[dapper warren]

I was wondering how you get through the blocked door lmao

[empty panther]

@plush topaz might be a bit early but I know people were worried about team balancing, should it be discussed some what the plan is for that while there's a few minutes left before starting

I like the team captains idea

[plush topaz]

yeah sure. how many experienced players do we have right now? people who've played intruder a bunch and pnet isn't their first time on this rodeo

I think it's like... @muted cloud @restive flame @fathom heath ? anyone else?

[restive flame]

Honestly I'm abysmal enough at twitch shooters that I wouldn't put myself in that category, I just spent some time learning the maps

[muted cloud]

I do got a lot of experience yeah

[restive flame]

Might end up missing today, out assisting parents with stuff

[plush topaz]

I think a simple starting heuristic is like:

• we try our best to split up the veterans so they're evenly across both teams, or at least one veteran is on each team.
• we try and even team sizes. I can do this by or spectating

[empty panther]

technically me considering I played it a fair bit with 2v2s with my buddies

[plush topaz]

I don't think captain stuff is worth it right now, because it kinda requires everyone to know everyone else's skill level, ish

okay

[muted cloud]

Yeah

[plush topaz]

let's at least split lucca and reverb for now

and try to even teams

[muted cloud]

Sure thing

[plush topaz]

<@&1218256285208936478> hey folks, the intruder server is up. It's just gonna be cliffside today. I may have to leave suddenly depending, I'm on call for my job

server: pilot net intruder
password: lancer

reverb are you joining today?

who's potatodoge

[empty panther]

that is I sorry lol

[fathom heath]

getting on, hit a snag

[dapper warren]

so who is JOCKSPANDEX anyways

[sweet flame]

its me

[plush topaz]

who is zexreo

[viscid solstice]

oh shoot, that's me sorry

[muted cloud]

I should try doing a round with hands only

for the silly

[dapper warren]

hackerman

[onyx ice]

SHOTGUN

[dapper warren]

[S]HOTGUN!

[empty panther]

ggs!

[sweet flame]

ggs

[onyx ice]

yeah! very fun game

[fathom heath]

ggs!

[onyx ice]

I am not a good guard :P

[empty panther]

that map feels very difficult to play as guard

[onyx ice]

It feels really hard to like, be trying to defend a spot

because the map loops in on itself so much

[sweet flame]

yeah, I kinda try to cover second floor but once all hell breaks loose in first floor that kinda goes out the window

[plush topaz]

that was excellent

[onyx ice]

so somebody can come from behind you in like 5 different ways

[plush topaz]

good luck derpy! would love to play on your team next time

[onyx ice]

Haha, thanks

I wish my monty hall decoy gambit worked 😔

[sweet flame]

you can cover vents, stairs, spawn, and spawn vents in second with trips and presence

[muted cloud]

Yeah the map forces you to learn to have really high situational awareness

And keep moving

[sweet flame]

the cardboard decoys works really well

I thought they'd be just a funny haha but they're realistic enough to jumpscare you

[onyx ice]

Part of my trouble was that I would get lag spiked the second I found myself in a sudden jumpscare firefight

which there isn't too much to do about

[muted cloud]

I personally love going buckwild most of the time, this is fun for me to go silly

[onyx ice]

It's a goofy ass game

[plush topaz]

oh no! that's a problem

that may be because of the gun effects

[muted cloud]

Like the hiding behind door strat was not optimal but it was fun

[onyx ice]

Ohh hmm, can I turn those down?

[viscid solstice]

If I did not see a single hint of intruder foot/hand I would have not shot at you through the door.

[onyx ice]

oh yeah shoutout to the person cracking bits while hunkered in garage behind the riot shield

who then just got C4'd

But yes, this is a fun game, and there's not a lot of pressure to be actually good at it

[muted cloud]

That was me

I was hoping teammates would nade you or pop out and shoot

But no

And it was so funny for that

[onyx ice]

I was just watching in the corner with the shotgun

[sweet flame]

I went for the flank but it took too long

[muted cloud]

Yeah

Just

C4 be upon ye

Anyways uhhhhhhhh

Riverside is gonna be fun

[dapper warren]

That one garage fight was legendary

[plush topaz]

was doing some post game voice chat - had a lot of fun

[onyx ice]

I tried to do a bit where I put down two decoys in a hall and then just stood there waiting for somebody

[plush topaz]

glad to sit down and grind some cliffside games

I think cliffside is my favorite map now

[muted cloud]

It should teach people about how cover and concealment are different things too!

[plush topaz]

what a cool map

[dapper warren]

Riverside is a wacky map

[onyx ice]

then somebody just shot me in the back lmao

[dapper warren]

we played some Riverside on uhhh Tuesday with the other timezone crew

[onyx ice]

But yeah, it's absolutely a cool map

[dapper warren]

and it definitely has, like, the most runaway intruder with a brief shenanigans

[muted cloud]

Also, practicing not running too much and keeping stab and energy over 90+ for early precision shots

Also teach intruders about marksman ship with the pistol white not peeking the same place

[viscid solstice]

All I wanted/felt comfy doing was using the pistol on either side. Something about it felt snappy and responsive.

[sweet flame]

the pistol's pretty good in general

[viscid solstice]

also if I shot my teammates, I don't think it hurt that much.

[dapper warren]

Pistol only gets outshined by rifles on maps with longer sightlines

[muted cloud]

Actually!

[onyx ice]

I must've nailed teammates like 5 times

[sweet flame]

the primaries feel like they're more specialized CQB/stability weapons while pistols seem to be better as general tools

[muted cloud]

Wait you mean the smgs or sniper rifle

[viscid solstice]

Also there was one match, where someone as a guard, and I was intruder (Just had done a guard match) and I just accepted them as friendly.

They were not, handcuffed me then domed me.

[dapper warren]

Sniper

[muted cloud]

Oh yeah fair

[dapper warren]

SMGs have a bunch of goofy ahh uses like shooting up doors you think someone's hiding behind

[muted cloud]

Well you can't pen with SMG

[dapper warren]

??? for real

[sweet flame]

oh yeah the map's so open sometimes you just forget to IFF and see a moving shape and shoot before realizing "you're shooting at your allies again"

[dapper warren]

SMG = Manta right

[muted cloud]

Yeah only shrike (guard pistol) and the shotgun

Yep

manta

[dapper warren]

huh

[muted cloud]

The thing about the smg is the rate of fire

An the laser sight attachment can make it better for longer range engagments

But yeah the pistol for both sides is a great medium range/marksman ship weapon

Assuming you got the stab and energy for it of course

[dapper warren]

you mean the red dot?

[muted cloud]

Yep yep!

[plush topaz]

incredible insight from jenny. I should try rubbing this on more zoomer's faces

[muted cloud]

Also the shotty is unironically good if you have a good aim

Since it is slug and the minimum headshot damage at a distance is 175

[sweet flame]

it does have that limited comms goodness that's helped lethal comp

except instead of horror as people go quiet is tension as you don't know why they're quiet until you can check for yourself

[viscid solstice]

I still was not fully able to grasp the ingame voice mechanics so I was always on edge of thinking I Was the last one alive.

[fathom heath]

the shotgun pens doors, right?

[sweet flame]

doing the sign button makes a sound that's only heard by your team, I think pinging the radio is the same (or at least its quiet enough to not matter)

[dapper warren]

yeah

shotgun goes through doors

[sweet flame]

otherwise yeah speaking at all is spooky

[viscid solstice]

I was half tempted to try and make ghost sounds at one point but I was too scared to at the same time.
I probably would have scared myself

[plush topaz]

funny story lucca chats so much I just assume I killed them if I kill someone chatty

I remember shooting someone making a joke in the vents and telling people on radio I probably killed lucca

[sweet flame]

new decoy strat

[onyx ice]

hahaha

[viscid solstice]

I am now wondering if there's a way to set up behind an open door and use the natural opening between it and the wall

[dapper warren]

you can shoot through the doorjamb but it's a real small field of vision

[fathom heath]

you can also run into issues with door pen not working

it's possible but you're holding the one angle

[viscid solstice]

Considering from what I played, I was mostly holding angles until I was solidly convinced the angles were empty

[sweet flame]

some angles you can get away with just checking with your stick cam (until someone walks in right after)

[dapper warren]

🤦 I just realized how I died in the boiler room I'm so duuuuuumb

[plush topaz]

oh?

[dapper warren]

I misread the sight line lmao

[muted cloud]

Yeah half the time i am making noise or being completly silent there is no in-between

[dapper warren]

I was so confused about that situation that I had to load up the map again to see what happened

and I had mistaken a shadow for another box

💀

[muted cloud]

Remember taunting the enemy team is your right

[empty panther]

I'm trying to stay silent because I know if I respond on radio when I'm somewhere unsafe I might just give myself away

I fingersnap as much as possible though

[north portal]

its real awkward when you are somewhere super unsafe sneaking

[muted cloud]

Nah my ass is yelling the posistion and dying a glorious death

[north portal]

and your teammate is like "is anyone alive can you check in"

[dapper warren]

you can just beep the radio without saying anything

lets the radio check requester know someone else is alive

[north portal]

thats a good thought

[muted cloud]

Yeah you can do that if you wanna be smart

[dapper warren]

oh also

take binocs

you can use them to let your team know you're alive and where you are by sending a pic

[north portal]

ah yeah

the team snapchat group

[muted cloud]

Yes

Btw there was one round where some guard tried to sneak through the smoke on the garage

[plush topaz]

me!

[muted cloud]

I was on the balloon and took like, 30 pictures of them within 5 seconds

[plush topaz]

[muted cloud]

That was you!

[plush topaz]

meeee

oh noooo

the ballooon

https://tenor.com/view/balloon-evil-scary-it-nastalga-gif-9373650

[muted cloud]

Not necessary at all either everyone was there trying to kill you

[dapper warren]

the ruthless balloon

indoors balloon is real on Riverside

[muted cloud]

But hey i can't miss a good balloon cam spam

[dapper warren]

so suicide balloon is a meme right

[muted cloud]

Balloon distracting and Kamikaze Balloon is really good honestly

[muted cloud]

Not really! even in maps where you spawn with only like, 2 c4, you are still bringing someone down to 60 hp

[dapper warren]

How do you set up the balloon bomb, do you have a second player place the C4 so that they can detonate it without forcing the balloon controller to switch back to C4?

[muted cloud]

Yep yep!

[dapper warren]

Ahhhh

that makes more sense

[north portal]

.length bloons td revenge arc

[plush topaz]

lmao

[muted cloud]

This is especially good in maps with deadly falls/enemies in high places

Also distraction balloon is great

Just keep popping in and out

Make the enemy go insane

[viscid solstice]

Someone rushed me with a balloon and I was still learning what balloons were friendly or not.
It was shoved into my face.

[plush topaz]

<@&1218256285208936478> oh, poking around for alternate times: hey I ran some intruder last night at like 7pm and a bunch of people showed up. does that work for people? like if we ran next week's at <t:1711839600:F> <t:1711839600:R>?

[dapper warren]

I can't make that, it's when my VtM game is scheduled

[muted cloud]

Sure

[plush topaz]

ahhh right luna couldn't

basically, I wanna see if we can get our oceania crew in

and depending I may run two smaller times

[muted cloud]

Also i would say to not be afraid to like, just try to get people to play together during non-official times

[plush topaz]

yeah! that too

[muted cloud]

Most fun i had in this game was me and 2-3 friends going into random lobbies and joining a team or getting split and going out of the way to kill each other

[viscid solstice]

I could do then too. If there's not enough people.

....wait no I can't.
I'm daft. My Realms game is then

I swear guys I'm great with times.

I know I have a major weakness of things being thrown at me.
Whatever it is, I'm running away from it

[dry quail]

works for me i think?

[summer flax]

That’d be a much more agreeable time for me! o7

[sweet flame]

I think I should be free then, that's about the tail end of an invisible sun game I'm in (if it goes long)

[plush topaz]

okay

whoops

I think I'll run a second intruder night then probably. that way we can get polke and grandar in

will be nice

[summer flax]

I assure you, you will not suffer for this

:p

[empty panther]

<@&1218256285208936478>
Figured I would ask since we had one last Tuesday
People up for Intruder in 30ish minutes?

[muted cloud]

Fuck yeah

[dapper warren]

I'm in

[muted cloud]

CoC canceled so i can play

[dapper warren]

might be slightly late on account of dinner

[empty panther]

that's 3, so we'll see if more want to join (I would figure we should at least try to have it be 3v3 at minimum)

[muted cloud]

Probably yeah

Could also attempt to populate the official servers

[plush topaz]

Honestly yeah I'd love that

I need something to distract me

[muted cloud]

In my experience, once 4 people get in you can usually fill it in 1-2 maps worth of games

[broken shard]

I'm also around

[empty panther]

[muted cloud]

I will be in the VC in one minute to vibe while we wait

[plush topaz]

I just finished work so I'll be a bit

[fathom heath]

I'm in

[broken shard]

are we doin an in-house intrude or were folks planning on stacking an offical server

[muted cloud]

I would say we try the former and use the latter as a fallback

[dapper warren]

If we get 6 or so people let’s do inhouse

[muted cloud]

Yeah

[broken shard]

I think we have 6 then, if someone wants to put up a server

[dapper warren]

I can’t join just yet lmao

[empty panther]

well we're starting 15ish minutes

[broken shard]

oh wait

[muted cloud]

Yep yep

[broken shard]

reading

[empty panther]

or that's when I pinged lel

[muted cloud]

I say we wait for winged

[broken shard]

I can do that

[muted cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-yakuza-yakuza-kiwami-2-get-real-dance-gif-10285062699418301411

[plush topaz]

I'm here

what kinda map do we want

[empty panther]

I'm down for whichever map

[plush topaz]

<@&1218256285208936478> server up

@broken shard where are you

[broken shard]

ack sorry I'll be there in a sec

[empty panther]

spooky

[plush topaz]

tell you what, I'll restart the server to add maps to the rotation

restarting server on phil's saloon

server's back up

[plush topaz]

I'm gonna pop out for now

[fathom heath]

aight sounds like people are getting off

[plush topaz]

thatw as lovely

thanks folks

[fathom heath]

thanks for the games!

[dapper warren]

bunglemaxxed it

[empty panther]

ggs!

[plush topaz]

luna the bungchamp

[dapper warren]

ggs fr tho

[dapper warren]

Good bad news I’ll be able to join the Saturday game on account of my VtM session being canceled

[fathom heath]

when's the saturday game?

[empty panther]

<t:1711839600:f>

<t:1711839600:f>

[worthy tartan]

<t:1711839600:f>

[empty panther]

Any maps people might be interested in for today?

[plush topaz]

<@&1218256285208936478> planning on running two sessions this weekend:

• <t:1711839600:F> <t:1711839600:R> later in my evening for an oceania crew night.
• <t:1711904400:F> <t:1711904400:R> tomorrrow for our standard pnet spy session.
  If we can get a good number of people (minimum 5v5), I'm planning on running Riverside this weekend so we can all get accustomed to it. Otherwise, I'm gonna run more Cliffside. You can see a breakdown of Riverside in this video here:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XfKtnAie8E&t=2m15s

[empty panther]

I've played a couple more of the non-standard ones

[empty panther]

that works lol

[plush topaz]

just your session right luna, not your campaign? 👀

if everyone can reliably make it to the late saturday one I may just focus energy there on future weeks

[dapper warren]

yeah the campaign continues, it's just Easter weekend lol

[plush topaz]

yup yup 👍

[summer flax]

excited for the 10:00 match! Will be a lot of fun I think

[plush topaz]

#103933666417217536 message

The Shrike (guard pistol that penetrates doors and has a laser sight) has a laser sight for its hipfire. That hipfire laser sight system is how all the other guns work. Note how it's not directly in the center and gets further away from the center the closer the object you are aiming at is. The other guns (like the shotgun) change it up primarily by altering the location of the gun barrel so the "center" is more off-center than the Shrike.

Misc notes here before I go on. The Manta (SMG) has a cone of hipfire that gets wider the less balance you have. The guard pistol hipfire does not follow the laser sight if you have low energy (this is to nerf sprinting everywhere). The Panther (silenced pistol) hipfire is only as accurate as the Shrike when you're prone and still; it has a small hipfire cone that increases as your balance decreases. The shotgun is always PERFECTLY accurate no matter your balance or energy state.

The third-person animations that Intruder uses are very clunky and due for an overhaul. They don't match where your head really is. This is why bullets appear to come from other player's heads/necks. If you want to see how the first-person animations and third-person animations differ, you can go to "Ricky's Test" on the Steam Workshop and hit the button in the mirror room.

Generally, aiming down sights will result in excellent accuracy at the center of the screen. Some sway, like the sway when walking, will affect your aim. There is also recoil that some guns have that may require time to settle back into place. However, if you stand still and swing your view there will not be any FUNCTIONAL change in terms of the pixel on your screen that the bullet will land on. This happens despite how your first-person gun model will move as if your were adjusting your aim. This adjustment (which I am avoiding calling "sway") is superficial and resolves itself pretty fast.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2883282568

[fathom heath]

ooh

good to know

[empty panther]

huh I think my discord is broke

[dapper warren]

probably a channel ID for a channel from an Intruders-related server

[plush topaz]

yeah it's an intruder server channel

[summer flax]

It's about that time! are we on?

[dapper warren]

we intrudin'?

[summer flax]

I'd presume so?

[plush topaz]

yeah!

[empty panther]

I'm here yus yus

[plush topaz]

gimme a minute, gonna freshen up then hurl the server into existence

[summer flax]

Sweet!

[plush topaz]

<@&1218256285208936478> hey guys! pilot net saturday night intruder is upon us. gonna be doing riverside tonight if all goes according to plan. server is up!

I'll be coordinating on text in this thread

[empty panther]

want me to wait for a 10th?

[plush topaz]

nah jump in

join guards

[fathom heath]

winged teams are a bit stacked

[plush topaz]

<@&1218256285208936478> gonna drop out of the server mself guys

had a lovely time

[empty panther]

I don't mind going for more but up to others

[onyx ice]

I am the Ultimate Fish

[muted cloud]

I love fishing

[onyx ice]

I can't believe I managed to get away with water route three whole times in a row

[plush topaz]

@onyx ice you played suuuuuuuper well!

I know you felt bad last time but you got some excellent ambushes this time

[onyx ice]

Hahaha yeah
This map was easier for me to wrap my head around

just some great sets honestly

[urban lance]

I love how many maps are "__side"

[plush topaz]

dropping out of voice to continue in text

[dapper warren]

all the X-side maps are official maps

[summer flax]

It's a great time yeah

[plush topaz]

excelleng games

[summer flax]

And Phil's maps are like

[plush topaz]

I did my part by getting shot all the time, balancing the teams

[summer flax]

semi official?

They're ranked so you'll get xp playing it

[sweet flame]

yeah the workshop page says they're ranked so you can do progression there

[dapper warren]

know what I can't be mad about my performance because I did manage to kill 3 people in that one round (and then still lose lmao)

[summer flax]

And they're usually pretty balanced

[sweet flame]

also the base maps are also in the workshop?

[dapper warren]

sniping's a dangerous job T_T

[summer flax]

yeah

[muted cloud]

I am happy with the arrests i made

[summer flax]

Very impressive!

I killed maybe six people total

[plush topaz]

yeah I've seen tournament play on phil's maps

[summer flax]

but I am happy about them

[plush topaz]

so they're official enough for me

if tourney teams practice setups on phil's saloon, it's legit

[dapper warren]

it's not just about the kills, it's about the team coordination

but also

it feels bad if you don't put anything on the leaderboard

;_;

[empty panther]

leaderboard?

[summer flax]

Yeahhhhh

gotta get some marks

[sweet flame]

phil's saloon is like that one cowboy wargame where its so prone to lethal violence you gotta do it really cautiously

[plush topaz]

lmao I died so often it's whatever

[dapper warren]

phil's saloon is like

[muted cloud]

I died almost every round i think

[dapper warren]

people are gonna be dead in 60 seconds from roundstart

[plush topaz]

and i killed polke that one time, I feel like such an idiot calling the briefcase taken I thought it was on the main conference table

not the side table

[dapper warren]

it's crazy

[fathom heath]

winged calling me out for wandering the map for frags rather than going for the obj

[muted cloud]

If it works...

[empty panther]

I mean I go for 5ks cause I don't like playing obj too much

[muted cloud]

Also

[empty panther]

plus I have to learn how the guns work somehow

[summer flax]

I shall bear this grudge for the rest of my days

[sweet flame]

you're a menace for that

[muted cloud]

How many people got the sniper when playing guards?

[sweet flame]

I feel it gets real bad if we allow you to push to and setup in intruder roof

[fathom heath]

I wonder if people have strats for clearing server room on riverside

[summer flax]

soon you shall rue the day you crossed Sigmar Polke, guy who is not referencing warhammer but instead a painter!

(I don't have any powers though so, I'm mostly ineffectual)

[fathom heath]

you can smoke it but that's vulnerable to explosive spam

[plush topaz]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/362/229/015.png

[muted cloud]

Smoke and CS i believe

[empty panther]

I do but it's easier to get the other briefcase

[dapper warren]

Intruder grindset tbh

[empty panther]

and like I said I don't know how the guns work

[fathom heath]

it was funny one round to hear "don't go in-BOOM"

[sweet flame]

could you drop a cutout from the server room vent?

[summer flax]

Yeahhhhhh

[empty panther]

if I push server I'm just guessing on if someone is dead after I shoot them

[muted cloud]

Honestly the best thing to do against any heavily fortified room is to fake wanting to go there

[plush topaz]

that one time @dry quail just. dropped a cutout, hid in the corner, and killed 3 of us

[dapper warren]

So is one push in the bridge real

[plush topaz]

I felt like such an idiot lmao

[muted cloud]

Throw a smoke in the server room and some CS gas and just dip, go somewhere else

[sweet flame]

yeah

[dry quail]

i cant believe that one worked lol

i was panicking so hard

[onyx ice]

That one time I managed to shoot my way through into server room? Was left on 5 whole health

[dapper warren]

Honestly

I think server room is bogus

[summer flax]

That was terrifying yeah

Good job Jenny

[plush topaz]

I got you good with that clean angle kill near one of those final rounds, was just waiting behind some boxes by the top suitcase with a mirror cam and when you came up the stairs I just waited, came out and blasted you

[dapper warren]

It’s way harder to hold Lab

[plush topaz]

bang bang

[dry quail]

yeee

you did

[onyx ice]

My 'just slap silly amounts of C4' on lab Seemed to be working

But I wasn't sure

[muted cloud]

It really does work

[summer flax]

I was happy to get a couple of decent kills on unaware guards

[north portal]

I genuinely have no idea where it is

[sweet flame]

home aloning a location is often deterrent enough

[fathom heath]

lab A I think you need to do off site holds

[dapper warren]

That’s me

[plush topaz]

yeah actually I still don't know where the sniper rifle is

[muted cloud]

Top floor, far east room that is like a lab

[dapper warren]

It’s in Lab B

[onyx ice]

I saw it but forgot

[north portal]

on which side

[empty panther]

sniper on intruder side is in security room, on guard side it's in top floor lab

[sweet flame]

guard sniper is lab b, intruder sniper is in the security room

[muted cloud]

I was surprised by not seeing it picked up as much as in pubs

[onyx ice]

The shotgun, plus ammo for it, is in the bush side toll booth

[muted cloud]

But that may be for the better

[dapper warren]

There’s signs pointing to Lab B idk how to say what side

[sweet flame]

the security room code is in a randomly spawning piece of paper in one of the spawn rooms in I side

[summer flax]

On securityside yeah

[north portal]

I mean I think most of us just don't know where it is

[muted cloud]

When i played a lot in pubs the first 20 seconds were some 3+ rush on one side and 2 people just picking off guards from windows

[fathom heath]

I don't like the rifle

[dapper warren]

I was picking it up a lot I was just also dying a lot

Am bad ;_;

[muted cloud]

Pistol at this distance can a lot of times be better than the rifle

[sweet flame]

the sniper feels like a real feast or famine kind of thing

[onyx ice]

Good to know haha
Some people still managed to ninja through the detectors though, props to them

[fathom heath]

the panther is honestly my ideal firearm besides possibly the shrike

[empty panther]

honestly my favorite gun is the shrike, everything else I can't seem to be consistent results with

[muted cloud]

Yeah

[sweet flame]

the one round I used it to watch the exposed bits of first and second floor as intruder felt real good

[dapper warren]

Need more silent weapons

[north portal]

I really found it funny when someone shot with the sniper, missed me and I thought they were another intruder because of the sound

[summer flax]

Hahaha

[north portal]

spent like 5 seconds on the radio trying to get them to stop shooting, figured out what had happened and ran over and shot them

[onyx ice]

I got snipered and left with 10 HP
but they didn't double tap, so I just stayed there and camped on the bush evac

[empty panther]

I got shot in the back once and thought I got teamkilled for a moment because I only heard the impacts of the shots

[summer flax]

I'm actually more consistent with the shotgun I feel

the pistol is good but I get panicky

[muted cloud]

Shotgun is a rather consistent weapon

[sweet flame]

nothing is silenced like far enough away

[muted cloud]

Fairly accurate slugs

[onyx ice]

The shotgun rocks

[plush topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XfKtnAie8E&t=135s lemme see...

• sniper spot 3:23
• sniper spot 4:42 (code + sniper spot)
  @north portal

[dapper warren]

Shotgun goes INSANE

[onyx ice]

That one 2v1 shootout I had with it almost worked

[summer flax]

The shotgun is hella good

I carried it into tunnels with Lollers

which I think is very useful

[sweet flame]

the shotgun being a consistent knock feels real good

I was surprised by looking at the guide winged linked and seeing that both pistols have the same stats

[onyx ice]

Really!

Huh!

[sweet flame]

I thought the guard guns hit harder, but it was just the meatier sound, its the wolfenstein tommygun all over again

[dapper warren]

No way…

[summer flax]

Oh no kidding?

[muted cloud]

Well mostly the same

[empty panther]

the only difference is the shrike can shoot through doors IIRC

[onyx ice]

Hahaha

[sweet flame]

actually the guard pistol pierces doors

[summer flax]

Oh gotcha

[onyx ice]

Shrike also has a lazersight, and the intruder gun is silenced

[muted cloud]

Yeah, it was the reason i kept spamming the main hallway as a guard

[onyx ice]

but yeah funny

[dapper warren]

Does anyone use the laser sight

I keep mine off

[muted cloud]

I don't

[onyx ice]

It worked wonders for me

[plush topaz]

the differences are:

• panther is quiet
• panther has no muzzle flash
• shrike has laser
• shrike shoots through doors

the muzzle flash is a big deal

when you hear a panther go off - ???

an intruder shot someone somewhere

you hear a shrike go off, you will see the shrike go off

below you, to the left, to the right

etc

[summer flax]

But a shrike is a big deal, yeah

[dapper warren]

The intruder side Shrike on Cliffside is DEVIOUS

[summer flax]

TRUE

[dapper warren]

Actually that gives me an idea

[north portal]

????

[sweet flame]

layer 1 is not picking it because you gotta be quiet, layer 2 is picking it to fool the guards

[onyx ice]

my ass is not going to know where somebody is shooting me from no matter what they're shooting me with

[empty panther]

oh derp that reminds me

[summer flax]

Derp is real

[plush topaz]

lmao

[dapper warren]

There’s a dead guard on Intruder side garage you can pick a Shrike off of

[fathom heath]

I can't tell if I actually use the laser or if I'm just shooting center screen

[north portal]

oh what the hell lol

[empty panther]

can you hear when people have heavy armor and thunking around?

[fathom heath]

yes

[north portal]

that would absolutely bamboozle me

[sweet flame]

yes

[dapper warren]

Yes

[summer flax]

You can yeah

[onyx ice]

You can but I did not hear you

[fathom heath]

heavy armor makes a lot of noise if you're not prone

[plush topaz]

yeah intruders and guards have very assymetric tools in cliffside

[dapper warren]

Heavy armor turns you into the loudest mf

[plush topaz]

riverside it's very even

[fathom heath]

but the upside is that it takes like four shots to knock you down much less kill

[dapper warren]

Unless you get shot in the head!

[fathom heath]

exactly

simply click heads

[onyx ice]

easy as that

[sweet flame]

ezpz

[onyx ice]

Why do you ask reverb

[fathom heath]

I had a game on cliffside where I was stomping around in heavy and the intruder just avoided me

[empty panther]

cause one time you seemed like you didn't hear someone with heavy armor and I wasn't sure if you knew or you just didn't hear them

[onyx ice]

I just did not hear them lmao

[sweet flame]

I gotta check the red dot spawns, they're not huge but on the bigger maps they feel like a good add for midrange stuff

[empty panther]

rip

[onyx ice]

I am not very observant

[muted cloud]

Shit happens

[dapper warren]

Getting run around by intruders because you’re heavy armour is real

[empty panther]

it's okay, I've missed stuff too because I get tunnel visioned

[dapper warren]

Stealing armour as intruders is funny as hell btw

Guards will just go “yeah looks like a friendly” sometimes

[empty panther]

but also sometimes I just shrug like when I shot at you with the sniper and none of the sniper shots went through the water

[onyx ice]

yeah lmao, because you look for the armour to check friendly

[empty panther]

it happens ye

[onyx ice]

rip

[empty panther]

it's why I try to look at the face

[muted cloud]

Oh yeah that is a very common problem and cause of death for guards

[dapper warren]

Nicking guard gear and going on a rampage is like

[fathom heath]

I've definitely had that work out in my favor

[dapper warren]

The funniest cliffside intruder shit

[muted cloud]

The most amusing thing you can do with heavy armor and run with it and yell that there is an intruder the direction you are facing

[fathom heath]

one round I ran back across the mid bridge and a guard paused when I opened the door

[muted cloud]

And watch the enemy team fall for it

[onyx ice]

I just always go venting in cliffside

and it works out somehow

[muted cloud]

Only works 2 out of 10 times but it is very amusing

Oh yeah

I believe every official map has an unofficial version that switches objectives

Riverside being one of those

It changes it to terminal and also changes the spawn locations! a good old switcharoo!

[dapper warren]

There’s also elimination-only modes

[muted cloud]

Yep yep, tho they are less popular

[urban lance]

Do Guards still win on elim-only on timeout?

[muted cloud]

I don't believe so!

The game actually has a draw condition

[dapper warren]

Considering how carefully the game is designed I would suspect it was whoever has more teammates left

Which makes me wonder if you can just like

Play hide and seek

[muted cloud]

Either most teammates left or just a draw

Also draw conditions only happen normally if the last guard and the last intruder kill eachother at the same time

[urban lance]

Dang, so no Objective: Survive going on

[muted cloud]

Oh yeah some of the phil maps have the snowball launcher

it is basically a blue shotty that launches snow balls that have an AOE stun

[north portal]

I thought defenders would win on draw

[muted cloud]

Nope!

Still the timing has to be so so precise

Last time i saw a draw a whole year ago

[plush topaz]

sorry, to be clear, they're talking about the deathmatch mode

in standard spy vs guards yes the guards win by timeout

[north portal]

ahhh

[muted cloud]

Well i was talking if both of the last players on guard and intruders kill eachother at the same time, regardless of gamemode

But yeah the timeout thing is right

Man i hate trying to look up stuff for Intruder cause all i get is the intruder stuff from analogue horror

[empty panther]

the shock/jumpscare one that does the tulpa thing?

[plush topaz]

hey sunday <@&1218256285208936478> crew, still tinkering with times a bit - our session today is scheduled for <t:1711904400:t> <t:1711904400:R>. Would it be inconvenient for anyone planning to making it to today's session if I moved it up 2 hours to <t:1711911600:t> <t:1711911600:R>?

cause I think that would be long term better for me week to week

jenny when's your pathfinder

[dry quail]

cant join then, i participated yesterday so i dont mind skipping out on sunday intruder

[muted cloud]

Works fine for me

[dry quail]

my sunday pathfinder sessions are at <t:1711911600:t> and <t:1711929600:t>

[plush topaz]

ooh

gotcha

well maybe I'll tweak stuff next week, will stick with the planned time for this week

[onyx ice]

o7

[dry quail]

if you want to move it later i dont mind, again, i played yesterday so im fine with not participating in both

[muted cloud]

I may or may not leave early depending on how well my immune system works today

[plush topaz]

well, I guess I'll wait for everyone else to chime in, but as a rule I try to not move stuff around at the last minute - it's just poor etiquette

I may move it next week though

[sweet flame]

a situation today is prolly locking me out of going at either hour, the <t:1711911600:t> <t:1711911600:R> might give me better odds for the specifics of today and be more consistent week to week accounting for any further unforeseen stuff, but the current time of <t:1711904400:t> <t:1711904400:R> still works for me long term and is accounted for

[empty panther]

I'm good for either

[misty sable]

intruda

[plush topaz]

hi hi

there's an intruder role you can grab by typing "?rank Intruder" in the bot-stuff channel

for any newcomers from the superboss games discord - gonna be focusing on giving opportunities for existing server regulars to play the game. please do spectate and give advice, but I'd rather megavets don't stack our lobbies just yet

[onyx ice]

Ashley did you do advertising

[misty sable]

will do

[plush topaz]

I'm just asking about the comp scene!

[onyx ice]

Ashley no! your magnetic popularity, it's too powerful!

[plush topaz]

https://vxtwitter.com/ContextBirds/status/1774147609310941425

[tepid hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/103933666417217536/1224028388638064740/8l3csg.gif

[empty panther]

rails are op

[muted cloud]

rails are the third team in this game

[tepid hinge]

that was in the final round of ICL finals lmao. and it was me

[dapper warren]

buttered up rails

[plush topaz]

gonna throw up the server

[tepid hinge]

I mistimed muscle memory while running and slipped, then my teammate blasted the last guy who tried to follow up so we won lmao

[plush topaz]

lmao hi lowman

[tepid hinge]

hello

[urban lance]

Just like a mama bird feeding baby birds

[misty sable]

aw

[tepid hinge]

scrumptious

[plush topaz]

<@&1218256285208936478> server is up. will be organizing via text in this thread.
server: pilot net intruder night
password: lancer

for the new superbossgames people here - I also stream in a discord channel down in the lower offtopic channels

[misty sable]

in advance, i am shalashaska, my steam name rn is korean gatorade 42

[tepid hinge]

also can I please get a pointer to where this is I cannot find it, too many channels for me to see it pls help

[misty sable]

#bot-stuff

very tip top

[tepid hinge]

thank you wise shalashalushner

[plush topaz]

ctrl-k is a channel finder

I have improved your discord life

[tepid hinge]

holy shit

[plush topaz]

just ctrl-k and type in the name of whatever channel you want to go to and it'll find it across all your servers

boom

[tepid hinge]

this is revolutionary

[plush topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/idoly-pride-anime-girl-dancing-anime-ichinose-rei-gif-24903434

hmm we only have 4 players right now

if we can't get more players in we may want to just mulligan this session, or invite the superboss members in

easter weekend is easter weekend

[misty sable]

easter weekend IS easter weekend

[tepid hinge]

pfft, who spends time with things like family anyway

[misty sable]

thats why we did our stuff yesterday

[plush topaz]

we did do a 5v5 last night haha

anyway I think 2v2 is just too small, I feel like 3v3 is the minimum for a game we can learn from

if we don't get more players in like 4 minutes then I'll just call it. whatevs

@tepid hinge @misty sable we've pulled 10 people for all our sessions prior, which is perfect tbh. 5v5s

[onyx ice]

Hopping on

[misty sable]

sweet

[plush topaz]

@tepid hinge do you think a 3v3 on riverside is worth playing? cause in theory we can put you guys in to fill the gaps

oh derp joined

[tepid hinge]

3v3 works fine for riverside

4v4 imo is optimal, 5v5 is extra fun

[plush topaz]

gotcha

[tepid hinge]

but for any map other than mountainside 3v3 and up is good

[plush topaz]

okay, let's do a 3v3. @misty sable / @tepid hinge do either of you wanna fill and play?

[tepid hinge]

shala will

[plush topaz]

gotcha

I'll put you on opposing teams with lucca, who's the only person we have with intruder experience from before last week

[tepid hinge]

@misty sable SO REAL FOR THAT STATEMENT

[fathom heath]

I may have possibly overslept

[onyx ice]

No yeah pilotnet is big but we do a lot of like, little gamer subcultures @tepid hinge

[fathom heath]

holy shit reverb you are on point today

it's normally not that onesided between us

[dapper warren]

I feel like I was not cooking today

[plush topaz]

luna you were absolutely cookin

[onyx ice]

Everybody did great haha

[muted cloud]

Potato was on point

[dapper warren]

I spent so much time lurking on briefs

[plush topaz]

potatodoge = xxreverbxx, for the newcomers

@empty panther your rotations fucked

[empty panther]

I feel like I got lucky, very rarely can get the guns to work as reliably as they did that time q_q

[onyx ice]

Yeah I camped out on bottom briefcase all guard round and nobody ever came for it lmao

[empty panther]

Loller played Siege ranked, all of my Siege playtime is casual queue lol

[dapper warren]

I mean

derp

[fathom heath]

bro that is almost ten times my siege playtime

[dapper warren]

you are the basementlord

[empty panther]

ye, it's why I was asking you questions on what you were doing because my guns wouldn't work for me half the time it felt

[fathom heath]

......okay actually it's almost three times my siege time because I've apparently played too much siege

[empty panther]

but also I don't play ranked cause I like playing with recruit

tbh I'm still not entirely sure how the guns work in this game

[plush topaz]

check the pin for gun stats

[empty panther]

ye I'm just used to more collected information on how the mechanics work, EG how does recoil and aim get affected from balance/suppression (like with a recoil chart)

Like Loller said it feels like if you get hit your aim can go crazy

[fathom heath]

aimpunch without armor is pretty strong

[empty panther]

tbh I'm not entirely sure but it feels like any movement can make aim just buckle

but it's hard for me to tell because I'm trying to use the gun sway on my screen and Idk how accurate it is

[fathom heath]

there's energy and balance thresholds below which your sway goes crazy

[empty panther]

the other thing is trying to learn the game knowledge checks like the likelyhood someone is actually dead after a shot

on the flipside I've had so many rotations denied from Lucca and Derp

[muted cloud]

Yeah

[onyx ice]

What do you mean by rotations again

[empty panther]

macro movement

or in other words, "I have point B I want to get to from point A, what is the best way I can think of to accomplish that with my current knowledge"

it's why I don't like Phil's Gas Station and uhh, Tower? In Siege

[misty sable]

https://challonge.com/ICL8/groups

this link has every match from this recent season, if you click on the matches tab in the group/final stage, you can see that it has all the attachments uploaded with the paperclip icon

like that

[empty panther]

Has anyone summoned the dragon in a tournament for the luls? like specifically lurked and was able to summon the dragon?

[misty sable]

@muted cloud
Map votes have ended:

Custom Maps:
Phil's Gas ⛽ | +14
Jungle Compound 🌴 | -1
Phil's Saloon 🤠 | -3
Hilltop Manor 🖼️ | -6

Official Maps:
Oceanside 🏖️ | +47
Cliffside (Hack) 🧗 | +42
Riverside (B2 Raid) 🏊 | +27
Mountainside ⛰️ | +24
Cliffside Old (Hack) 🧓 | +11

Note:
Riverside (B1 Raid) also had a +11 differential, but since it was a tie with Cliffside Old (Hack) I used total votes as the tiebreaker. 35 agents voted up for Cliffside Old (Hack), and only 32 agents voted up for Riverside (B1 Raid).

https://medal.tv/games/intruder/clips/24s8KO7S41SHnK/d1337IT3X7lq?invite=cr-MSw3SXUsMTkzNTcxOTI4LA @muted cloud

[dapper warren]

by what means

[misty sable]

I did in a pug recently

which is like mini comp

ive always wanted to do it in a tourney match tho

[empty panther]

I wonder how many people it would take to do it efficiently

[misty sable]

i did it by myself

[empty panther]

cause 1 def seems like it would take too long for the average round

[misty sable]

but if you have 2 people its easy enough

[dapper warren]

???

[empty panther]

have you summoned the dragon on oceanside yet by going around and shooting all the eggs?

[dapper warren]

no

[onyx ice]

I'm sorry?

[dapper warren]

the eggs aren't showing up lmao

[empty panther]

they're in different spots depending on which version you're playing on IIRC

[misty sable]

for beginning:
_
-rigs

use your rigs in place of where you would want important areas to be watched (e.g bottom briefcase on oceanside/riverside). sitting in a briefcase room the whole match doesnt do much when you can just put motion sensors on the entry points instead, allowing you to be in a more useful place while still knowing if someone goes into the briefcase rooms. anything else with rigs is just playing off of where you think or know the enemy is gonna be (for intruders, sensors can be good for covering a spawn flank, or just watching your back when you're deep in the enemy lines, get creative >:)

-intel

this game is a Huge info war, it's the most important part of playing imo. learning where people are going early on in a match gets you a huge advantage, as you can tell your team where everyone is and set up defense accordingly. the oceanside clip i just posted up there is a good example, places like that where you can clearly see a good idea of where people are gonna go on a map, and using sensors in hard-to-get places or places where people may not look. camsticking also falls in this, use your camstick if you're going into exposed places, and if you're vigilant of enemy sensors/c4, camstick helps with that a lot before you walk into any sensors. map awareness is the second most important part to me,

-teamwork

if you're gonna be in comp, teamwork is essential too. having good comms with your team is gonna open up a lotta doors in matches. be nice to your team 🤠 sometimes the option is there to have a coordinated rush on a specific spot, or sometimes its hitting different places at the same time, but coordinating the plan to the team is just common sense and keeps everybody in line

-fuck shit up

intruder is a special game, and i tell ppl all the time, the line between public lobbies and comp isnt black and white like people like to think, stupid and goofy things happen all the time, so dont be afraid to mix some things up or fuck wiht peoples heads, doing things that they wont expect, the skies the limit. put on a bush and scream at ppl if you want before doubling back and leaving the place entirely

@plush topaz there u go

tried to condense it into simple things, theres a lot to be said but no point in listing every single thing that will help, just stuff to learn as you play

[tepid hinge]

Supposedly it has happened before which caused a rule against it

I don’t believe it was recorded and it was presumably 2-3 years ago

But as shala said above creativity in angles, nades, and rigs is huge. People do some unique shit, don’t be afraid to try something in a match

[fathom heath]

summon the dragon?

[empty panther]

why would that cause a rule? Does the dragon break the lobby somehow?

[muted cloud]

A beautiful story

[misty sable]

not at all

and theres not a rule against it

i asked this season

[tepid hinge]

There was a temporary one, I don’t think it was an ICL match then

But some comp game had a dragon, and it wasn’t a pug

[misty sable]

ic

[tepid hinge]

Probs just because it was annoying or smthn idk

I think technically it would be against the rules of you do it as an intruder due to something in there saying something along the lines of “intentionally prolonging a round not good”

And being an intruder and sitting outside wasting time to spawn it would probs count as that

[misty sable]

nop

[tepid hinge]

However as a guard it would probs be okay because you have to go outside and intruders can end the round

[tepid hinge]

I swear that is a rule somewhere

[muted cloud]

Finished a train heist map and saw a draw

Somehow it was not caused by a sign hitting both players at once

[misty sable]

@dapper warren @fathom heath

[plush topaz]

thanks shala!

[tepid hinge]

the wise and great shalashalashuner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt4g6W4W4ig

imo this game was our best display of teamwork if yall wanna watch, ignoring the first set cuz we got CLEANED on that lmao

[misty sable]

https://medal.tv/games/intruder/clips/1ToY455MgP0c5G/d1337mB1DsUh?invite=cr-MSxSNXUsMTkzNTcxOTI4LA

https://medal.tv/games/intruder/clips/1G850YRb1BDkYL/d1337aEotGwI?invite=cr-MSxzemYsMTkzNTcxOTI4LA

[tepid hinge]

dude I was fucking DYING in that clip lmao

like holy shit I dont even know how I managed to sound like that at the end lmao

[misty sable]

a day in history

[urban lance]

You say to ignore it but that balloon c4 play is not to be missed

[onyx ice]

the what?

[tepid hinge]

true, it was a good C4 bloon play, but yeah cross got fucked up on that. he fumbled hard that round ngl

but our intruder rounds were almost all clean, with the exception of the 2 stairs plays, one where cheese throws a grenade at the shut door for no reason and blows us up, and the one where cheese and cross get fucked up in stairs.

him throwing the nade at the shut door was hilarious though

he just stared at it too lmao

[misty sable]

Cross is also not the most in tune with the 5 senses sometimes

in this particular case

audition

[tepid hinge]

when we reviewed the game after too his defense just... didnt make sense

I forgot what he said it was but I think he said like, he thought it was my balloon at first?

he made up for it with his double kill at the end though that you dont see in the vid

honestly game winning play he made

[dapper warren]

okay so I gots ta ask

is the cardboard in smoke play good

[misty sable]

hell yea

[dapper warren]

okay I thought I was cooking when I realized hiding a cardboard cutout in a smoke would lead the opposition to think people were trying to push through smoke but I wasn't sure

[urban lance]

Yeah that was a fun match to watch

But it does make it look intruder-favored at high level

At least for that map

[tepid hinge]

actually funny you say that- our first match vs ISEC was the complete opposite

both teams 3-0 on guard side

[urban lance]

Huh

Same map too?

[tepid hinge]

same map too

both sides adapted to the strong guard holds and focused on new intruder side strats, neither side developed their guard strats further and we both found the weaknesses

[dapper warren]

Honestly feels like individual play is going to matter vastly more than any bias the maps have

[tepid hinge]

notice how ISEC never pushed ledge on intruder side as they knew we always rigged it, therefore meaning our main hall hold would be weaker, which is what they usually pushed

[tepid hinge]

most maps are well balanced

[dapper warren]

Are there any official or Phil’s maps that aren’t well balanced?

[tepid hinge]

correction, most official maps

[tepid hinge]

some of the variants, the riverside variants and cliff raid

maybe cliff new raid wont be bad but it hasnt been played enough

every other map is about 50/50 under ideal situations

however, this is a little misleading. at a high level they should be 50/50, however almost every map ends up being intruder favored due to the simple fact that a lot of people lack teamwork

OWL was one of the few teams to consistently win guard sets vs intruder sets

because we had much better guard side teamwork then most teams

[dapper warren]

Right, so doing radio checks, announcing engagements, etc. is a big factor in not getting rolled as guards

[tepid hinge]

ISEC, a team VERY close to us in skill, was the only team able to really contest that

[tepid hinge]

you 100% of the time NEED to know who is alive or dead. if someone is dead for more than 20 seconds-sometimes less- without your team knowing it can lead to a loss

exceptions come in 5v5s usually, but not knowing someone is dead can lose rounds

[dapper warren]

Right okay so my doctrine of calling radio checks after each engagement and when the intruders are expected to arrive is sound

[tepid hinge]

yes.

its easier with a very coordinated team where if someone is in a safe spot to have them do radio calls

lemme pull up an example game hold on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRuQUJZ689A&t=3s

another top team here, this was the ICL 7 champion team we were playing

this one is a flip as we had less experience on cliffside intruder and REALLY struggled with pushes, alongside not knowing CCs holds

however we were CLEAN on guard

often in this game I was up in the hallway as a guard, in the bathroom/dark room area. therefore, I was nearly directly beneath cheese who was forward on top floor solo.

this setup allowed me to always hear if cheese dies so we can rotate quick, as cheese dying fully gives up top floor, from there intruders can just hack and win.

similarly, Cheese can hear me if im in trouble up in hall

this allows cross, who is in projector room, to be relayed info without me needing to be loud and reveal myself, and allowing cross and cheese to pinch in from stairs/mainhall respectively

and cross has a very safe hold in projector, alongside me cam-sticking main hall so they cant get into our spawn, means all cross has to do is be ready to rotate main hall and watch projector vent, which is long to open so he can always get a callout off

the main takeaway is our hold is FULLY designed to relay info as best as possible to allow for quick rotations, without requiring a guard to compromise his position. if a full 3 man push is made, we fall back and give one hack and condense the hold

this failed vs ISEC because they knew I would play mainhall, so they play for the pick then back off, and we didnt really have an adjustment planned

take away the important info as you want. A LOT can be taken away from these 2 games in how top play is. dont just look at the holds/strats, but HOW the holds/strats work, what counters them, and use that to craft your own plays

god DAMN i yap a lot, I apologise

[dapper warren]

nah this is all useful data

[tepid hinge]

cheese has all of his stuff recorded so if ya want more look at his vids of our ICL 8 games, IMO he is the best intruder player, both as an individual and how he plays with the team, lots to learn from watching him

gonna send our finals game too as that is a dif map and has some interesting shit- as well as just being a really fun game ngl lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sutOZxrCtA8&t=788s

these were first to 5 sets for finals btw

https://youtu.be/f5UfwuqDh44?si=V5Emf4yK3BDAcJyB

thats all I got for now, ask any more questions if you have any

(bottom vid is the spec POV, i recommend that over Cheese's POV

[plush topaz]

omg spent all day gaming, need to catch up to this backlog tomorrowww

[tepid hinge]

BTW

idk if this helps anyone but they just added this

[urban lance]

Hahaha well then

I had bought it and refunded it a few weeks ago, and yeah non-compatibility was why and I said so

Gonna see about getting it again

[tepid hinge]

Seems to be getting positive feedback from some older players who stopped playing due to switching to Linux

[urban lance]

Nice!

Hopefully steam support lets me get it at the sale price again

[plush topaz]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/518150/view/4197991259837012463?l=english <@&1218256285208936478>

[dapper warren]

lol

lmao

[misty sable]

yeees

[worthy tartan]

But can I dp

[dapper warren]

you can

[worthy tartan]

New Evo entry

[empty panther]

Idk how the gloves work

but I can't confirm kills with them

I only punch q_q

[plush topaz]

https://clan.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/images//34530436/91a52d3ddc086093df6849b118273d2159db282a.gif

oh this is nice

[sweet flame]

something something not gonna sugarcoat it

[dry quail]

Is it real?

[sweet flame]

its real, on by default on april fools or as a server setting otherwise

[empty panther]

laser lines are real

the gloves are also real but temp for april fools

[plush topaz]

yeah it's real, it's also something we can just access in the future but for now it's april fools only

the gloves I mean

the new temporary lasers for motion sensors are real and permanent

[dry quail]

Nice

[onyx ice]

Oooo

[worthy tartan]

Now I need to figure out how to put strive music in the game

[plush topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvB0-xgs3L8

[worthy tartan]

LET ME ESCAPE IT WOMAN

/ j

[muted cloud]

Me when i am not a big fan of the government

[plush topaz]

so true bestie

[empty panther]

Been playing some custom maps recently

Maps I think should be avoided
Target (not actually bad but it's literally just a shooting range)
Arby's (it has some map quirks and overall is not a good map)
Pizzeria (FNAF + it's just not well designed IMO)

I honestly am 50/50 on Phil's gas station

Like I think the map is designed decently but it feels kinda one dimensional with the levels?

I feel like people should play it and decide for themselves

I don't think I've had a good enough chance to play the other Phil's Maps though

Maybe the vets can weigh in a bit more

[dapper warren]

Pizzeria

that's hilarious

we gotta do one set on Pizzeria for the laughs

[hybrid cargo]

making an effort to start learning, which maps are in common rotation for pnet intruder nights?

[summer flax]

We've done Cliffside, Riverside and Mountainside I believe

although I'm a big proponent for Phil's Tower

Oh!

and Saloon

Phil's Saloon

we've done that too

[empty panther]

want me to hop on and play with you some?

[hybrid cargo]

sure

i'll be in activity 1

[plush topaz]

we've been sticking to the official maps + phil's saloon a few times

[dapper warren]

we could try doing Phil's Tower if we want to get vertical w/ it

[empty panther]

gotcha, one moment

[tepid hinge]

I won’t stop you guys but I very strongly recommend against this lmao

Phil’s tower is not a very well liked map, rounds can drag on or get really stale if you don’t fully know the map, and it’s a big ass map so it’s a pain. It can be fun but I think it’s just better for y’all to stick to officials and comp maps first until everyone has a more solid grasp on just navigating through maps

[empty panther]

Makes sense

[urban lance]

Damn, alas

[muted cloud]

Gonna test out arbys and pizzaria but imo phils gas station is fine

I remember doing lots of vent and roof shenanigans in that map

It was also when i learned you could go to a surprising amount of places by just jumping and ragdolling yourself (via keybind) at the same time

[muted cloud]

Man i love this new boxing gloves

[muted cloud]

i love watching people having boxing battles while also having a beatboxing battles

[empty panther]

Ye

I uhh

Didn't know how to turn them off when running through some basic stuff with Izen and Horus

[muted cloud]

I don't think you can?

[empty panther]

I assumed you could as this command let's you turn it on

But maybe I'm being silly because tbf I am being the type 2 person right now

[tepid hinge]

I can ask someone if ya want. I don’t know if you can turn em off either though

[empty panther]

We've had an inhiuse at around <t:1712100600:R> for the past few weeks so would be good to know if they're still enabled and if so how to turn them off incase we want to play at that time.

<t:1712100600:f>

That time lol

[plush topaz]

I'm not sure I wanna bother with the gloves this weekend outside of like maybe one comedy round haha

[empty panther]

Ye same

[tepid hinge]

Asked about it, should get a response soon

Unfortunately it appears they cannot be removed

You still have guns, just no arresting unfortunately

[dapper warren]

you can't change the tuning such that BoxingGlovesDefault = false?

[tepid hinge]

Apparently not

[tepid hinge]

doesnt seem that the gloves are too disruptive tbh. only issue is no arresting but otherwise it seems like it doesnt affect much frankly

[empty panther]

<@&1218256285208936478>
It is <t:1712100600:f>
Are people up for playing tonight?

[dapper warren]

fuck it, I'm down, lemme boot my PC

[tepid hinge]

im here if people want tips or smthn again, and just to watch too

[muted cloud]

I can play for 30 minutes, maybe an hour

[plush topaz]

ironically, i'm doing rainbow with friends! you guys have fuun

[sweet flame]

am down to intrüd

[dapper warren]

okay that's like 4 people

if we get two more we could do 3v3s on oceanside

[tepid hinge]

I could take it easy and play if needed lmao

[empty panther]

Trying to verify who has what roles rq cause don't want to double ping people who have the role

@hybrid cargo @barren stag I noticed neither of you have the Intruder role, would you want to join for tonight?

[dapper warren]

does (at)here summon everyone who can see a thread properly

[tepid hinge]

I believe it should

[hybrid cargo]

i haven't signed up for the role partially due to not committed to the game yet

[empty panther]

ahh gotcha, wasn't sure

[tepid hinge]

correction, only the people in this thread so you might be clear to do that?

[hybrid cargo]

yeah no good to check for sure

for tonight, i'm liley not, running low on social energy

[dapper warren]

Borealis and TronTheAllmighty are also thread members without the role just fyi

[empty panther]

no worries, I did get the server up
name: pilot
password: lancer

[hybrid cargo]

yeah it's a case of "i have interest so i join the thread, but not enough commitment to join the role to be pinged"

[tepid hinge]

ill join the lobby for now

[empty panther]

I only pinged Izen and Horus cause I was running through the game basics yesterday, do you think we should ping Tron and Borealis as well?

[dapper warren]

up to you

I don't know anything, you're the one who knows

[tepid hinge]

he is the all knowing one

[empty panther]

we have all 4 on the server rn I believe

[dapper warren]

which server

[empty panther]

pilot, you just disconnected

everyone was just in spectators

[dapper warren]

oh

[tepid hinge]

@empty panther you can also /makeadmin then /changemap cliffsideold too lmao

[empty panther]

oh it doesn't have to be in the map list?

[tepid hinge]

or I coulda done it, I got special game perms

nope

[empty panther]

oh then yeah I can do it on that server

oh wait it's gone

[tepid hinge]

too late now all of us left and its down

[empty panther]

well, new one is
name: pilotnet
password: lancer

we want to do 2v2 with me and Lowman sitting out or do 3v3 with Lowman joining?

[muted cloud]

WE LOVE BOXING

[sweet flame]

am up for either

[muted cloud]

That was short and sweet

Also thanks for that rig spot, will use it later

[tepid hinge]

I had a chill time. I think I accidentally went to hard occasionally, I just love shotgun lmao. now for me to watch the phils saloon 2v2

[muted cloud]

I am surprised i did not die horribly with the shield

[empty panther]

shield is op with current boxing gloves

since you can't be pushed down

[dapper warren]

GGs

[empty panther]

I only was able to get 1 arrest with the bush

[sweet flame]

ggs

[dapper warren]

wait so what was the gimmick there

[empty panther]

ggs

[sweet flame]

yeah how does that work out

does the bush take away your mitts?

[empty panther]

so the shields currently can't get pushed down by the boxing gloves

when you have the bush equipped it gives you the regular hands

[sweet flame]

plants cant put 'em up according to superboss games

[dapper warren]

ahh ok ok

@tepid hinge thoughts on the matches?

[empty panther]

My c4 jumps were great obviously

[tepid hinge]

I dont have too much commentary cuz it was saloon, most I have is communicate. there wasnt much communication from what I could see and hear. granted, I am actively in a meeting lmao

the biggest thing is I was hoping for a bit more creativity with C4 and general strats, I started seeing some with some good guard pushes, but I feel like the windows werent utilized enough for opening new angles and escape routes

I can send an example of something I was looking for in a moment

but yeah, really just creativity in terms of like, comp stuff I was hoping to see and didnt see much of, but I cant comment on much else cuz it is phil's saloon lmao

it is a great map to get the creative juices flowing

especially in lower player counts, high counts are too chaotic

example of something cool you can do

detonating that window and playing that position can give great intel and control

also a fantastic escape for the top case, only costs one C4 too

thats just one example

I dont want to show a bunch of other windows to pop for pushes, but thats an example

theres lots of sniper angles to open up via C4 windows, as well as new angles for guards to peek early and catch intruders early, though risky as open windows tend to benefit intruders in the long run

as I said tho, great map for getting creative juices flowing, can help for other maps. always have escape routes planned wherever you are, even planning ahead sometimes

[sweet flame]

ok yeah I am starting to see the brain wrinkles with playing with c4 on windows

that one round where briefcase room was popped open was devious

[dapper warren]

one?

I did that like, 4 times

[sweet flame]

oh no

[iron warren]

Ah well, missed another intruder. 🤷‍♂️.

[tepid hinge]

thats the obvious one, its why it takes both intruder C4. the challenge is utilizing the wooden windows as they have much less obvious benefits