ahh
#Hunter the Parenting Pit
simple hill
weak phoenix
And she would have at least a little bit of passing knowledge about what the Arcanum is.
Not "Oh...The supernatural is real" knowledge but more "Okay, my boss and his club members are a little crazy but they pay at least" knowledge.
fathom kettle
Also yeah, we don't know if the mages and their associates are counted on that data.
simple hill
yeah I assume she just assumed that she was working for some group of crazy rich psuedo scientists
graceful jay
What Mages???
weak phoenix
Yeah
simple hill
mages aren't real
simple hill
any evidence to the contrary is a sign of delusional mind
weak phoenix
(Until it is real)
Though Blacklaw Jr would have definitely told his friends a little about the supernatural.
simple hill
report immediately to the free counseling sessions paid for by our backers in the Technocracy
weak phoenix
And or the Cammies.
simple hill
it's not exactly a hidden society yeah
weak phoenix
Mason lodge
simple hill
i think my history professor from middle school was a freemason
he had unusual number of contacts in the government
for being a middle school history professor
either that or because he was george W bush's brother in law i dunnnow
simple hill
he told me that they weren't really on speaking terms ever since the incident in the white house
george w bush had a big portrait of john quincy adamas in his office
since the teacher taught US history George W Bush was like "Hey do you know why I have this portrait in this office?"
teacher: "Well, I assume its because Quincey Adams was the only other dynastic president in the US, but that's where the similarities end."
Teacher's wife: "Well, why are they so different?"
Teacher: "Well, Quincey Adams was known as the most eloquent and well-read president in the United States history while George W Bush is known as--"
simple hill
nah this was at the white house and he's not gonna tell me about his freemason connections if he did have one lmao
he apparently still speaks to CIA directors and stuff
weak phoenix
_>
simple hill
very eccentric man
weak phoenix
Besides being a probable mason
simple hill
that history professor
weak phoenix
Was your history professor a former spook or something?
simple hill
not that I'm aware of
possible though
there were some pretty eccentric people in my school
like the phys ed teacher being the grandson of Captain Rostron
weak phoenix
the math teacher at the high school I work at is a journeyman MMA fighter
simple hill
the guy who first arrived to rescue survivors of the Titanic
honestly the most funny part of the story is that George W Bush had a portrait of Quincey Adams, famously liberal for his time, on his office at all
green geyser
Who is Togo
graceful jay
slow bay
Fucking Togo
wicked surge
Genuinely, just a bit character they did to make us laugh, seems to be some kind of fey spirit thing...
joke is he's annoying, kill him with fire
(believe me I get it jokes like that tend to make me feel like I'm going insane when I get a non serious response)
weak phoenix
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Methinks this is the version of the chair scribe
Serious note: He probably might know something about the umbra but won't say anything until they apologize
wicked surge
Probably
graceful jay
He knew where Marckus was and how to free him and instantly could have had the Werewolves and Hunters put aside their differences
Super Canon
hidden lava
Getting into werewolves, I love them
I ran our local W:TA chapter for a goooood while
simple hill
What are the odds we are gonna go to a Norfolk volcano sometime in HtP
wicked surge
What are the odds we are gonna go to a Norfolk volcano sometime in HtP
... above zero tbh.
I'm waiting to see what comes of Norfolk pirates adventure golf course my self.
hidden lava
Fully caught up now
Love how they're handling this
Big D not wanting to get involved with werewolves because they're genuinely waging a war for the planet's soul is so on-brand
weak phoenix
Along with that, Werewolves are fuzzy death tractors.
hidden lava
indeed
weak phoenix
You. Will. Die.
hidden lava
don't fuck with them
weak phoenix
Yep
hidden lava
pretty much one of the top dogs(heh) as far as WoD monsters are concerned
weak phoenix
The only time you should ever fuck with a Were is when they are in human form and you have the drop on them.
And even then, you gotta beat the ever loving shit out of them while doing it.
hidden lava
can't let up even for a second
weak phoenix
Because if you don't then you're gonna get fucked.
radiant drum
The only time you should ever fuck with a Were is when they are in human form an...
So the same as when dealing with mages?
graceful jay
Oh no you can just hit mages with your car
weak phoenix
Yeah, death curse
hidden lava
mages are tricky fucks
If they see you coming, they can probably just zoop out of there
wicked surge
Honestly the scariest part of a mage is a weird bell curve. A mage who's freshly awakened? Can get gunned down with a shotgun and a bad roll.
A mage who's awakening, is going to kill you.
A mage who's experienced is going to kill you.
But any mage between "literally just realzied they're a mage" and "survived long enough to be able to snap their fingers and flash fry you", is something you can potentially handle with conventional ordinance
graceful jay
If you know what kind of Mage you're dealing with, killing them isn't that big a problem
wicked surge
yeah but much like with vampires;figuring out what a mage can do takes time and a lot of espionage
hidden lava
Fortunately, unlike Vampires and Garou, killing a mage isn't ALWAYS the only real option in many cases
They are still people with enough sense to have a reasonable conversation and aren't usually plotting to murder you or use you as livestock
hidden lava
He has Kevin
simple hill
Mage friends specifically
wicked surge
if the mummy theory pans out I suspect he knows or was friends with a few magi here and there
simple hill
He kinda implies he knows a glass walker and a Bastet doesn’t he
wicked surge
the two splats often have intersecting and common goals
hidden lava
He's had interactions with them, yeah
Whether they were pleasant is another question
simple hill
I kinda doubt big d is a mummy tbh
He just seems like a regular human with maybe some significant sorcerous knowledge
Also
Is it just me or is he really trying hard to get Markus to embrace mage craft
And thus trying to dissuade him from potentially pursuing alternative sources of power
wicked surge
I kinda doubt big d is a mummy tbh
it's a theory. but it would explain how his wounds heal so fast, why he has had so many supernatural encounters, why he's seen so.much, why some of his children have magical aptitudes, and why he seems younger than door despite supposedly being his "father"
bros eyes glowed gold at the end of 5
that shit ain't standard human
simple hill
Like whenever some kind of sorcery gets brought up in the presence of Markus he mentions that it’s a far cry from true mage craft
wicked surge
yeah
he's clearly aware Marcus could awaken
and wants him to go that path
which funny enough gives him parallels with another speaker d character in the wizard game
simple hill
But also Markus already seems to have like awakened sometime before and somehow unawakened
wicked surge
But also Markus already seems to have like awakened sometime before and somehow ...
I wouldn't say awakened
simple hill
By forgetting the horrible compact he made with the entities
wicked surge
remember in wod ritual magic is a thing
simple hill
True true
hidden lava
D could be Imbued, perhaps?
simple hill
I’d guess probably imbued or smth
simple hill
Wonder if Boy is an imbued given his unusual angel knowledge
simple hill
He casually knows the names of angels and their role
hidden lava
I don't think it's that unusual, given his family
weak phoenix
I don't think it's that unusual, given his family
Yeah, like D probably told him that Angels were real and these are some of the things he needs to know just in case
wicked surge
circling back to the mummy theory. I'll try to pull some proper citations but my understanding is
-
Mummys match big d's displayed fears from strength ,speed, rejuvenation , and potentially even his blood making Kevin go gaga
-
at least one mummys archetype has kids with higher potential for magi
-
mummys can still die and be heavily wounded despite not aging much. this explains D's historical knowledge and apparent youth.
-
mummies have a long history with vampires so D's focus on them would make sense.
-
this part is meta textual so take it as you will. Mummie are also often formed by literally filling a hole in the soil. big d as a spiritual successor to big e being given a second chance at life and filled to the brim with compassion and whimsy would explain a lot of his willingness to try and redeem other supernatural; he was given the chance to rise.so should they.
simple hill
Hmmm
hidden lava
It might have just been something he read. Unlike wod werewolves and vampires, the names of different kinds of angels are just
on wikipedia
wicked surge
I believe horse called him an oracle
simple hill
Do you think Dracula film was a camarilla plot
wicked surge
which has... a lot of connotations
simple hill
Was twilight anarch propaganda
wicked surge
Do you think Dracula film was a camarilla plot
no that's the actual dracula being a diva and flaunting the masquerade by paying stoker
the camarilla hates him
simple hill
Lmfao
wicked surge
also he fucked Beckett
simple hill
Dracula is real?
weak phoenix
Yeah
And he's pretty high up since he engaged in a near breach but nothing happened
simple hill
Was he some show off humanimal type vampire
wicked surge
not just real he somehow forced a tzimisce to embrace him after years as an independent ghoul
hidden lava
Also
Shoutout to H:TP for showing off how vile colonial attempts in the philippines were
Saw a lot of comments from people in the region calling them incredibly based for that
simple hill
They are also based for calling out that a lot of WOD stuff is, well, colonialist haha
hidden lava
Also true
weak phoenix
It really is
wicked surge
listen there are many reasons I hate the kuei jin
weak phoenix
Is it because they're vampiric mary sues?
simple hill
They are so weird
wicked surge
because they're racist as hell.
and also robbed us of bujah Ventrue samurai rivalries
hidden lava
They're just vampire weebs obsessed with "the orient"
weak phoenix
Oh yeah
wicked surge
you know how grimal says there's no vampires in Japan because it's kuei jin territory
simple hill
And taking from like three whole separate religions at once for some reason
wicked surge
yeah that's actually canon
weak phoenix
they're the LA posers
wicked surge
and that's so fucking dumb
weak phoenix
But aren't the Jin also vampires?????
wicked surge
debatably
simple hill
And I’m always like
wicked surge
remember how in bloodlines they mention they're not the same
simple hill
Aren’t kuei Jin supposed to be Chinese
wicked surge
they're literally a mix of Asian cultures
simple hill
Why are they taking over Japan
wicked surge
that's the priblem
wicked surge
they're not well thought out and basically white wolf going yeah Asia as a whole has its own super special vampires
simple hill
Which is bizarre
wicked surge
despite every other continent having vampires and bloodline/sectarian variations
Although uh
hoo boy some aren't grest
like I am self admitted brujah fan of girl and the osbeo lore is
... "oh yeah they're just tribal raiders who embrace salt of the earth types"
simple hill
Why aren’t werewolves allowed to eat humans again
weak phoenix
Wyrm taint probably?
It's one thing if a Were has to kill
It's another thing if they cannibalize people
graceful jay
It's spiritually bad for them
wicked surge
in universe reason: wyrm taint, and violation of their roles as gaias peace keepers going beyond what's needed.
out of universe I suspect at least one writer heard the tale of the wendigo and made it apply to werewolves as opposed to what a lot of other writers today do which is... make it a deer monster. which is also in accurate.
graceful jay
I mean the Wendigo have a couple cannibalism powers
bright aurora
the deer monster does look dope though
unfortunately
like it's inaccurate and I won't defend that but god, what a hard design
fossil pollen
Wyrm taint probably?
Microplastics and Prions
deft urchin
Wendigos have basically had the same game of culturally insensitive telephone that led to cat Rakshasas
simple hill
… cat rakshasas?
wicked surge
Yep. From Cannibal humans to... werid deer monster
deft urchin
… cat rakshasas?
DND and Mtg have Rakshasas as like tiger people
And then that stretched to other fantasy media
Although mtgs happened way later
So DND spread it. I think it was Spice8Rack who had a little section about it in their Khan's of tarkir video?
wicked surge
I'm less familiar with the mythology. What was the original myth before Dnd Got a hold of it?
simple hill
Afaik they are just fierce looking humanoid demons sometimes with many heads
But my Buddhist knowledge is fairly limited
Let alone the Hindu versions of the myths
Which is to say they look like angry humans generally
There’s really no single defined look for them
fluid prism
sometimes sharp teeth as a defining feature but that seems less of a specific signifier than just a detail that most mythological fiends have
green geyser
in my expirience I generally take the Deer Skull Monster aesthetic of Pop Culture Wendigos and leave everything else (including the word Wendigo)
I love my deer skull creatures
hidden lava
It's a very iconic "Don't fuck with that" shape yes
we actually had a LARP that called one of our mutations wendigo, but a few games later it was decided that that was a bad idea
so we chose a different name
staff was like "Hey, so... we fucked up. We're retconning this. "
simple hill
The rat king
deft urchin
Forest Freak
surreal crown
Good Eatin
deft urchin
Good Eatin would be a great name for a horror movie about a group of rednecks hunting a wyrd deer creature
ancient crescent
Uhh... what do we call the deer creature?
Oh Deer God
fathom kettle
That got a snort out of me...
I forgot that there's a garou tribe called the Wendigo...
patent cargo
They got renamed in W5, at least.
fathom kettle
Thank god.
bright aurora
Uhh... what do we call the deer creature?
Bone King
fathom kettle
Oh!
bright aurora
True
fossil pollen
We need a Big D sickos sticker
weak phoenix
Oh my god.
No wonder it burned.
Look at that glow
It screams "Yessssssss. Consume. Die.".
fossil pollen
I mean its an evil fast food burger place
weak phoenix
Honestly, it makes sense when Kevin asked Chapman if he knew what was in there.
simple hill
I wonder if door took boy to O’tolley’s to burn it instead of ordering a burger
Because door is, as I understand it, an American
And British burger joints are the single most revolting burger joints I had a displeasure of eating at in my life
weak phoenix
That's sad
fossil pollen
O'Tolleys(so?) is an american joint tho
simple hill
O'Tolleys(so?) is an american joint tho
It was an American diner in England
Where I ate
Btw is this a dragon’s head
gusty urchin
And British burger joints are the single most revolting burger joints I had a di...
are they that bad? i've never been
fluid prism
What are dragons in wod
gusty urchin
probably
split raven
bygones usually
ebon jewel
What are dragons in wod
depends iirc
split raven
bygones and chimera are the most common types of dragon i think
but also, tzimisce are sometimes known as dragons, i wouldnt be surprised if there was a bane/fomori that appeared as a dragon, and i think in theory there might be draconic plasmics in the underworld, if we dont count Charon's ghost kaiju which idk if it ever had its appearance defined
fossil pollen
tzimisce are called 'dragons' because they have a greedy hoard and don't like people, I think
simple hill
are they that bad? i've never been
I’ve only been to one burger place in England but it was the worst burger I’ve ever tasted yeah
split raven
a tzimisce could theoretically turn themself into something draconic as well, with enough time and blood
fluid prism
Oooh
split raven
really, the answer to the question 'what is a dragon' depends on which game you're playing
fluid prism
the worst burger ive had was from the fast food chain of a cult leader
split raven
same as 'what is <any supernatural creature>' tbh
see changelings referring to other splats as being fae that forgot they're fae
simple hill
Are werewolves fey
hidden lava
What are dragons in wod
There are high level Banes in Werewolf that are draconic in nature, due to their service to the Wyrm
fluid prism
Oh yeah, wyrm
simple hill
why are dragons evil
graceful jay
tzimisce are called 'dragons' because they have a greedy hoard and don't like pe...
It's also because they are the Dracula clan and Dracula means Dragon
wicked surge
*Looks over at clan brujah
- if named "witch' in Spanish then why no hot vampire witches 🙁
(yes I know they're probably named after brewhaha)
split raven
Are werewolves fey
If you're playing changeling, they might be
(Depending on if your ST follows changeling lore or the overall metaplot more)
hidden lava
why are dragons evil
The Wyrm is a destructive being that exists to cleans creation. It destroys that which the Wyld Creates and what the Weaver builds. However, the Weaver went mad and began encasing everything in webs to prevent the Wyrm from destroying its creations. The Wyrm then went mad because it cannot fulfill its purpose, held imprisoned by the Weaver. So now it's trying to destroy everything, whether it's the appropriate time or not.
Dragon is ALSO a totem of the lizard-shifters, Mokole.
But yeah basically outside of the totem, all forms of Dragonswithin WoD are destructive horrible creatures
fathom kettle
bygones and chimera are the most common types of dragon i think
What are bygones?
hidden lava
A ficitonal creature that cannot exist because they don't exist according to consensual reality
Regular people do not believe that dragons can exist, therefore the collective consensus is that they do not exist
fathom kettle
Ohhhh!
hidden lava
All humans shape the world with their wills, but regular people do so unconsciously
as a collective
But then the Technocracy thought it would be way cooler if the Consensus was based on logic and reason
weak phoenix
Yeah
So, for example, if the entire human will decided to go "Hey, people can fly now".
Then people will start flying
wicked surge
it's clap your hands if you believe on a mass scale
split raven
Bygones specifically are creatures the consensus used to be okay with, but no longer is, and they now only exist in hidden places where sleepers don't go, secret temples, undiscovered caves, the umbra, etc
products of a bygone age
simple hill
since the wyrm seeks out life to destroy us
the best way to protect us from it
is to be dead already
bright aurora
It’s uncomfortable if you think about it for too long and really pursue WoD to its fullest logical extents
split raven
yeah the whole consensus reality thing fails pretty quickly because humanity en masse is dumb and gets a lot of things wrong
see the dude who barricaded himself inside a planned parenthood building with gas cans scattered around the parking lot that he shot at when the cops showed up. they didn't explode, because 'explosive barrels' arent a thing irl, but theyve entered the collective consciousness thanks to video games and some movies
(granted iirc it's established somewhere that someone who is more confident in their knowledge has a bigger impact on the consensus or something like that, as opposed to people just assuming something must be true, so in theory one person who knows explosive barrels aren't a thing is enough to override a crowd of people who assume they are a thing)
wicked surge
It’s uncomfortable if you think about it for too long and really pursue WoD to i...
yeah the core nature of mage and demon give a lot of high level stuff about wod that you either really like or don't.
I tend to be ok with most of mage but I find myself liking demon less for giving something close to a proper pantheon. imo better to keep the outlines of the heaven and hells blurry but I understand the appeal
bright aurora
I’m OK with Mage up until it becomes full on science denialism lmao
graceful jay
Keep in mind
every other splat thinks Demon and Mage are insane
and Mages and Demons can't really demonstrably prove their concepts to anyone but themselves
wicked surge
yeahhh but at the same time demon in particular overlaps with vtms whole thing of basically canonizing some version of the Abrahamic mythos particularly pre v5 with the gehenna scenarios.
a lot of sts I've encountered take that as strong inspiration for their interpretation of the setting.
so it kinda just makes me sad to think that we know... or have a good idea of what the heavens and hells are.
I liked the mystery more than the answer
simple hill
Wait
Harry mentions that remold and the rest of the old guards are pushing hard to get D’s research destroyed
But in the chapterhouse itself
There’s only one person who qualifies as an old guard and that’s Remold
So who’s these other old guard
simple hill
Neither really strike me as the sort who would… push… to have the research destroyed
Hmm
I guess they might have pushed to have it hidden
split raven
i wouldnt be surprised to learn it was just Remold pushing for it but with such enthusiasim that Harry assumed the other two were on board as well
icy gulch
But in the chapterhouse itself
It was mentioned that some members were on leave in ep 4, no? There might be others.
graceful jay
Dr. Waters specifically says she agreed to have it burned
icy gulch
Oh yeah, in 4.1.
wicked surge
Also given what we've learned of the colaition being compromised and D's modus operandi being to be upfront about his hatred,
I wouldn't be surprised if people above even Remold tried to have it canned, even conditioning it on funding.
Also related: How y'all think Occam will feel if he hears Fatigue's recordings and learns his beloved uncle was basically in full agreement with D, just subtler about it
simple hill
Well uh
Considering the circumstance
I think he would agree with D that while the coalition can’t be trusted they have no other choice but to commit to the alliance against the werewolves
Even if it means hastening the apocalypse
wicked surge
I think he would agree with D that while the coalition can’t be trusted they hav...
So you assume he'll probably be kinder to D's position in the future then, and on the same page relatively?
I did find it very funny that Occam's big grudge against D amounts to viewing his hunting as reckless and folish, while D himself has those same fears for Marckus
simple hill
i don't think he's the type to abandon Markus
wicked surge
its a good parallel
simple hill
espescially not when both radical opposites of the arcanum are aligned on this one subject
tbh now that you mentioned it he might be more wary about the alliance than either of them
wicked surge
Again, I mean more... post marckus rescue so to speak. I don't doubt he'll be onbaord with avenging fatigue, and finding the ghoul, and support D in that, I mean more will he become more willing to actively oppose the coalition afterwards
wicked surge
God I hope so
simple hill
but for now, alliance
amanda is also extremely wary about trusting the coalition
only in it to rescue markus
genuine question from her about... how viable that approach really is though
given how easily the wyrm ||could corrupt both kitten and her in that room||
bright aurora
||I think there was a deadass Bane in there fucking with them||
||Between the flies and the Wyrmish death-spiral and everything||
simple hill
At this point what kind of supernatural isn’t hiding inside the arcanum
They’ll find a sludge lad hiding in the floorboard somehow
fossil pollen
At this point what kind of supernatural isn’t hiding inside the arcanum
Have you ever heard of the TTRPG called ‘Paranoia’
simple hill
Yes yes a secret society full of infiltrators from other secret societies
patent cargo
Now I'm imagining the consequence of every "major character splat theory" being true at once.
Occam: "Sound off if you're actually human."
Dead silence
Kitten: "Oh, come on!"
At this point you'd need a "100% Human Test" to kill those theories.
fossil pollen
It’s just Kitten and everyone else gives him the side eye
frail citrus
Kitten Ends up a member of Orpheus UK
wicked surge
||Between the flies and the Wyrmish death-spiral and everything||
It's definitely fly or something associated with it guiding them, not fatigue.
I do wonder if it'll offer a deal with kitten if he steps into the umbra
patent cargo
It’s just Kitten and everyone else gives him the side eye
Nah, it's funnier to imagine that the bastet theory isn't a nightmare tangled mess of potential issues in this mental image
His tearful apology for secretly being a werecat this entire time, years in the preparation, is torn completely off script by everyone trading confused questions about "but wait, I thought you were this other nonhuman splat!"
fossil pollen
Yes but then make him take the 100% Human Test and he passes so now everyone is confused
patent cargo
Anyways. How do you figure like. HtP is gonna quiet all of these off the wall splat theories. Because TBH I find the concept of a 20 splat pileup to not be fulfilling of a concept in the long run.
Kitten bastet theory is pretty dead in my eyes, at least, and most others are incredibly shaky, but hey.
slow bay
Big D is pretty much definitely something supernatural IMO
fossil pollen
I still think he’s Forsworn or something adjacent
I have no evidence, nor will explain my position further because all my other ones have been bogus or busted thus far save for the most obvious one in chapter 5
split raven
given that the audio log referenced Uratha, he could just straight up be an Immortal
which, i'd assume Purified of the available options, but that seems unlikely
its also possible he's just his own unique thing ig
patent cargo
its also possible he's just his own unique thing ig
He's either just very good at being everywhere, or is actually somehow immortal or reincarnating, but yeah I don't think he's like, a mummy. I'd figure he's mainly human or else the plot loses some spice if he's holding back insane power.
frail citrus
big D has to be supernatural, idk how else he shakes off the delerium that fast
slow bay
Big D has been too out of the norm, and has way too much indepth and ancient knowledge to just be normal IMO
patent cargo
In either case, he's probably going to remain the most outstanding deviation from human in the main characters besides whatever the fuck Markus did. Too many main character splats would work if the show was a comedy in the long run, but the show is definitely not a comedy in the long run.
slow bay
D is something I'm fairly sure
Markus being a Mage has not exactly been subtle
Door I think is just a guy
Boy... maybe
patent cargo
D is something I'm fairly sure
He is probably just like, caught in the cycle of reincarnation or something. Incredible knowledge, but not superpowered.
wicked surge
Big D has been too out of the norm, and has way too much indepth and ancient kno...
The mere fact that he knew who saulot was, in setting, is such huge foreshadowing to how much this man has hunted vampires
weak phoenix
Along with that, his family probably did a lot of "You should not have survived this but you did" hunts.
Because they killed a fucking Methuselah.
fossil pollen
He could be Imbued? Is one of the Edges in H5 immortality?
simple hill
He killed Houdini
No I don’t think imbued can be immortals, at least, not through edges?
graceful jay
Imbued arent in h5
patent cargo
Imbued were also only present from a particular time period on. Fairly recently, within a few years of the current in-show year?
They weren't the secret legacy of hunters, just a bunch of people who got superpowers dumped on them right before the prophecized end times in the grand old year of like, what, 2001?
split raven
the oculus having imbued glyphs is going to haunt this topic forever, i fear
despite the fact that i think it was said to have existed prior to the imbued being a thing
patent cargo
i suspect that the team just jury-rigged the language into their own lore as a easter egg.
it's convenient symbology for an artifact that helps hunters see a bit beyond the veil.
(my guess is it's kind of hard to show something like Sudden Magical Tracker Instincts in a visual medium without making it appear on-screen)
wicked surge
No I don’t think imbued can be immortals, at least, not through edges?
Stares at the mummy theory
simple hill
nah mummies aren't real
fathom kettle
Didn't someone call him Mesopotamian?
wicked surge
Didn't someone call him Mesopotamian?
Chapman called D middle eastern in his job offer in the tunnels.
also keep in mind mummies in wod aren't expliclty Egyptian - anyone who has the proper criterion can become one if their soul is compatible.
In fact mummies in wod were specifically created to fight two people. Set (vampire set) and apohis/apep.
wicked surge
nah mummies aren't real
insert funny reference to Marcus being roasted for saying mummies aren't real
wicked surge
So there might be something there.
Yeah. D fits a lot of criterion that a mummy would have.
simple hill
to increase ticket sales at their museum
fathom kettle
Well, we already know Rus might be a supernatural.
Though Rus could be a red herring.
Like D did confirm he had "encounters" with werewolves...
wicked surge
Well, we already know Rus might be a supernatural.
I wanna know if Rus has any relation to the "White shuck" Kitten mentioned
solemn lintel
honestly i like to believe D is just normal
he's probably a little weird but
i do like to believe he's shockingly normal
wicked surge
honestly i like to believe D is just normal
he's probably a little weird but
i d...
fair but the glowing gold eyes at the end of ep 5 have me pretty sure he's got something hidden up his sleeve
patent cargo
I mean there's a coinflip of a chance that it's meant to look cool as an end transition and means nothing.
on the other hand, there's a lot of weird tiny details that end up being relevant in these episodes, so
solemn lintel
it felt like attention to detail
wicked surge
listen after voy confirmed that Matilda's fucking shadow was meant to resemble a griffon, and that was meant to be a clue to her tribe and no one I know including me caught that shit?
yeah I have to assume it's intentional.
patent cargo
fair enough
graceful jay
weak phoenix
_>
fossil pollen
Monster
simple hill
Togo could be from the summer courts
simple hill
Does holy water work on vampires
Or does it only work in the hands of people with true faith
bright aurora
It's Complicated
There are holy waters that work on vampires independent of who uses them on (and also there's the Red Gas / Velum Sanctuarii) but the True Faith seems to be required to make them, maybe, or at least weird relics that have True Faith like properties? but normal holy water doesn't do shit unless it's in the hands of someone who possesses the True Faith
basically you can't smite licks proper-like without True Faith getting involved somewhere along the line, except you totally can in the case of the accursed red fog employed by the Second Inquisition's top guys
graceful jay
Any vamp can also develop a weakness to it via folkloric bane
bright aurora
hey Voy are we gonna get Second Inqusition lore in HtP at all
are we supposed to assume Door is ex-FIRSTLIGHT?
graceful jay
green geyser
Where is this sticker from anyways
graceful jay
The work server
green geyser
Ah
weak phoenix
Lancer Server when seeing Togo:
green geyser
Anyone when they see Togo
weak phoenix
Writing Staff whenever they reply cryptically with Togo:
The few sickos who like Togo:
weak phoenix
Togo views in a nutshell:
fathom kettle
Where did Togo come from. This last episode feels like his first appearance.
green geyser
He appeared for like 10 seconds last episode
deft urchin
Togo came from our hearts
graceful jay
Togo's been in every episode so far?
solemn lintel
…you’re lying to me you’re gaslighting me I do not believe you
graceful jay
graceful jay
compact copper
Voy how did you make your name look like that?
graceful jay
Nitro benefit
compact copper
Oh
wicked surge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923235890384494602/1429584553076588756/ne...
... The origin of the blacklaw -D feud: they pissed in his liquor
simple hill
How tough is it to Dominate a werewolf
wicked surge
^
Systems wise, werewolves are usually allowed to roll to resist unlike unprepared mortals. Anything beyond that depends on the person attempting it, and the Werewolf resisting it
weak phoenix
And when they successfully resist it.
Whoever is the wouldbe dominator? They dead.
Like "Your bones will not be found" dead.
simple hill
What like, a psychic feedback? Or can the garou immediately go full on insaneo style
bright aurora
rage moment
fossil pollen
What like, a psychic feedback? Or can the garou immediately go full on insaneo s...
In W5, they’re immune to mental effects while in a Frenzy outside of a couple of very specific Gifts, so that dominate would work right up until said Garou lost it’s shit
simple hill
don't garou basically lose their shit at the drop of a hat
wicked surge
What like, a psychic feedback? Or can the garou immediately go full on insaneo s...
Put another way; You just tried to attack a werewolf, a being knowing for being capable of incredible physics acts of violence, by defiling its mind and autonomy.
That is entirely grounds for an asskicking on a good day
Its like firing an RPG at a tank, and whiffing. Sure, you might not have hurt the damn tank, but it knows what you did, and you best hope the barrel doesn't aim at you
Its like trying to mind control a Brujah
if you win? Great
if not? Yeah you're going to end up dead
bright aurora
failing to Dominate doesn't necessarily alert the victim tbf
wicked surge
... Dominate requires eye contact
So uh
also note: obfuscate's wording is generally "if you harm someone the bullshit stops". you can debate over that raw, but to me that says "using dominate will drop obfuscate"
You look a guy in the eye, he issues you an order to do something like say "give wallet?" or "forget?" or "low tier god yourself"? Its a pretty big give away
fossil pollen
don't garou basically lose their shit at the drop of a hat
Depends on the splat, in W5 no but everything else yeah pretty much
Also seconding if you fail to Dominate (or even succeed) there is gonna be consequences unless that wolf winds up in a wood chipper somewhere
And I wouldn’t place safe bets on the wood chipper, either
bright aurora
... Dominate requires eye contact
you know, some people make eye contact for reasons other than using vampire magic
wicked surge
you know, some people make eye contact for reasons other than using vampire magi...
I am aware. What I am saying is Dominate is not subtle on the victim:
This is an excert fromt the VTM 5 corebook on pg 255 introducing dominate.
“You and your clanmates have done well. We witnessed
the burning of four Sabbat Cardinals
last month, thanks to your… sacrifice.
We are ready to approach the Magis-
ters with serious talks regarding your
joining the fold.”Talley smiled, though his smiles
were always false, and caught Savona’s
eyes. “You will dismiss your security
immediately.” The words cleaved
through the Ventrue’s mind like a
broadsword, wielded without subtlety.
She grimaced and hissed at the
Lasombra. “You think to manipulate
me so directly? I am not some thin-
blood or ghoul to be commanded,
Keeper!”
There's a reason you need a power like rationalize in VTM. and even then that only works on successful commands
If you fuck up, your victim knows what you just tried
bright aurora
I'm being entirely serious?
bright aurora
why should you just assume every splat has perfect knowledge of every splat
wicked surge
I'm not asusming they have perfect knowledge
I'm assumign dominate works like its described in the corebook, and hurts the victim to resist
So they are alerted by a failed attempt taht you just tried to fuck with their head
bright aurora
yeah and what I'm pointing out is that just because they experience that, doesn't mean they have the necessary knowledge to correlate it with
- knowing you're a vampire
- knowing you tried to mind control them
wicked surge
Even so, its enough to say most expereinced garou might kill you, and even lesser ones would immediately know you're a problem
So yeah, you come with dominate don't miss
it'll end badly
bright aurora
I mean I just find it interesting once I started thinking about it right because like, yeah, an experienced garou would know and just wipe you out
but lots of characters in the World of Darkness don't know shit about shit
wicked surge
Yeah, they'd basically just go "What the fuck was that??" and give you a double take
even if they don't immediatley kill you
element of surprise lost
bright aurora
isn't it more risky to try to Dominate another vampire, who generally know what vampires are and that they can do it, if you think about it?
wicked surge
isn't it more risky to try to Dominate another vampire, who generally know what ...
Oh very much so
bright aurora
Dominate is an interesting discipline, it adds a lot of subtle menace to the Camarilla especially
because they're just out there doing that shit
wicked surge
between generation, fortitude, merits like tempered will and just Plain bad luck, dominate is a very unwieldy tool against other vampires
if it wasn't, it'd be the best power in the game
because it'd let you steal everyone else's power
bright aurora
sometimes you roll smelly on Guy Securityguard and he onetaps you with a baton (thing that happened to a deeply unfortunate player of mine)
but I am being entirely serious about Dominate when I say that one of the more menacing things about it as a tool in a given Kindred's kit is that they have the Camarilla and the Masquerade on their side (even if they're not on that side) keeping people in the dark about the fact that vampires can bitch-ass mind control people
Obfuscate also becomes scarier in light of the fact that you don't know there isn't a vampire in a given room
wicked surge
Correct on both counts - dominate is less scary for werewolves, particularly ones with gifts to resist it (for example, antagonist woofs are often given fort 4 to 5 in the corebook - which ican just mean a flat 4 to extra 5 dice to resist dominate rolls, plus their innate mental defenses), but its still a very risky move. There's a reason vampires tend to condition thralls with a mexiture of blood bonds, presence and domination. Its just one part of the spicy cocktail of mental abuse
radiant drum
Of course the most popular pages are three things to do with the most recent audio log and the two relatively more obscure Clans in vtmb2.
wicked surge
graceful jay
fantastic
wicked surge
fantastic
If I could draw, I'd be drawing Kronik as the guy from the chowder theme:
SO YOU TAKE THE MOON YOU TAKE THEIR SKINS; WERNON YOU MUST TAKE EVERYTHING THAT LET DEVIL IN;
You STIR IT ALL UP AND WHEN YOU'rE DONE?
A WOLF OF GOD PUTS THE DEVIL ON THE RUN
solemn lintel
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxkmSz0v86PwCyxVpN_KSTi1CD_vDORa2u?si=1ANrjKqF_asdgbZM
YES
the shippppppoooo
ebon jewel
homosexuals? in htp?
solemn lintel
My romance obsessed heart is aflame at the sight of it
I love it when two characters have a dynamic
Bitches love my dynamics
compact copper
homosexuals? in htp?
Nah, I don’t think HTP is woke
I asked Bruva Alfabusa
He is neutral on these things
solemn lintel
Could never be woke
ebon jewel
thats what the h actually stands for
solemn lintel
thats what the h actually stands for
….hoke?
compact copper
Homosexual
solemn lintel
Ohhhh
deft urchin
Yuri in my yaoi vampire show?
ebon jewel
even the yaoi is yuri #truke
surreal crown
When they introduce the first heterosexual character HTP, the fandom will explode
split raven
Door is the most likely candidate right now, i think
deft urchin
Togo
green geyser
Togo called me a slur at a mcdonalds once
split raven
Togo is fae, can't possibly be straight 
solemn lintel
When they introduce the first heterosexual character HTP, the fandom will explod...
…guy Chapman has a wife
I mean he could be Bi, I guess
wicked surge
I mean he could be Bi, I guess
"I'm not gay but vitae is vitae"
simple hill
I still can’t get over how much Chapman and Fabian in the new vtm game sounds alike
graceful jay
ebon jewel
https://bsky.app/profile/saltyjub.bsky.social/post/3m3qnima6rk2l
woag noway
bright aurora
Real
solemn lintel
https://bsky.app/profile/saltyjub.bsky.social/post/3m3qnima6rk2l
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
YEAHHHHHH
THE LESBIANS
IM SO FUCKING RIGHT
fair bear
was listening to chapter 5 again as background noise while I studied and
||aww... the post credits scene hits different now...||
||glad the old man cleaned those tiles.....||
patent cargo
Door's blood probably has insane fuel efficiency but has the side effect of making your engine sound like U.S. national anthem.
His blood is probably also leaded.
simple hill
Do you think the force of eternal growth is Gaian or weaver or wyrm aligned
graceful jay
Wyld
patent cargo
As a text correction or a joke answer?
wicked surge
Its a pun and a funny answer. The Wyld is eternal growth, and chaotic. It is literally a wyld card
It can go either wya depending on the day, its raw creation
at least... if the lore I'm reading is anything to go by
bright aurora
Wyld is Wyld
patent cargo
though maybe I misremembered what the "force of eternal growth" is.
bright aurora
It’s not on the Wyrm or the Weaver’s side
This is why it sucks to be a Garou
Of the Wyrm and the Weaver it’s unclear which is winning, but the Wyld is DEFINITELY losing
patent cargo
like, do you mean the umbra-sided Poundland, or was that my brain mis-interpreting what you were referring to
simple hill
I was wondering what could be the force behind the Blue Man
Yeah
Didn’t think it was wyrm or weaver aligned particularly
And the focus on Growth made me think of the Wyld
Which is weird considering it’s the eternal growth of greed haha
patent cargo
it might just not be aligned in any particular way and isn't defined by Garou umbral interpretations.
bright aurora
very weird for a Wyld spirit to be associated with 99p land or capitalistic growth
simple hill
But could it be, theoretically? ESP since spirits can be born from changes in the uh, material plane
Wyld spirit borne from concept of capitalistic growth
patent cargo
if you had to force it into a single one of the triad, though, I'd say weaver. That kind of store in the physical world is the epitome of banal order which the weaver does seek to spread.
simple hill
Mmm
patent cargo
Umbra.
simple hill
I’m still leaning on the Blue Man being some fucked up Lasombra but
patent cargo
That's exactly the kind of thing that would end up in the umbra.
simple hill
Fucked up Lasombra who parked himself in the umbra
Lasombra can traverse the umbra right
Or is the Abyss different
patent cargo
Animism representations of metaphysical concepts is like, completely expected of the Umbra.
wicked surge
Fucked up Lasombra who parked himself in the umbra
It is possible some vestige of the Lasombra Methusalah D (supposedly) killed is somehow in the Umbra
That's the level of power where faking your death or somehow surviving is more than possible
but there's so many unknowns with that thing
bright aurora
nah I'm calling it
the foreboding "we will be coming soon" shit? that's not Wyld, that's either a Weaver-aligned spirit of capitalist hegemony and eternal growth, or it's Wyrmish and directly associated with Pentex type shit
simple hill
Always do wonder
patent cargo
"of the wyrm" doesn't actually imply "associated with Pentex-type stuff".
Pentex is just an outstanding and powerful servant of the Wyrm. There are lots and lots of regular companies which are just bog standard unknowing contributors to its power.
bright aurora
Wyrm
green geyser
is the Wyrm the closest thing the entire setting has to a Big Bad
simple hill
I think WoD is surrounded by at least half a dozen apocalyptic event at any given moment
simple hill
Wyrm just happens to be the most relevant to human civilization I guess
There’s whatever Gehenna might be too
bright aurora
there's the Wyrm, Gehenna, the Avatar Storm situation, Mages fear a decisive Nephandi victory, there's the Undead Nuke thing with Wraith / Orpheus
patent cargo
is the Wyrm the closest thing the entire setting has to a Big Bad
Wyrm is a large enough evil due to being an living esoteric concept of rampant decay, but I'm not sure it really functions as the "Big Bad" because it is difficult if not impossible to fight directly. It's more of a cosmic horror thing.
simple hill
But can we redeem the wyrm
Is defeating the wyrm really a good thing
Wouldn’t that just lead to an ascendant weaver
patent cargo
I'd personally say probably, if you managed to stop, perhaps even reverse the runaway decay of the Earth itself. Like, the Wyrm had a genuine role before everything, and can still represent natural decay.
Also I'm pretty sure I remember reading that ascendant Weaver was an actual End Times example White Wolf once printed.
you release the Wyrm from the Weaver's web and watch cosmic concepts fight to the death or something. I think.
I recall reading that years ago, though, and TVTropes wasn't exactly reliable information
patent cargo
Okay that was an actual printed scenario, good to know
radiant drum
ebon jewel
i did not realize there was an ask page
simple hill
Do Pentex sell evil chocolate
ebon jewel
obviousky yea
simple hill
Evil chocolate created through environmentally destructive and exploitative labor
ebon jewel
im p sure all chocolate is evil chocolate
simple hill
Is Halloween an evil Pentex plot to possess children with banes
ebon jewel
no that ones the changelings' fault i think
ebon jewel
yeag
simple hill
And yet three entire vampire factions are squabbling over the district?
There can be more than like
A couple dozen vampires here
bright aurora
vampire factional squabbles are a fractal
if you zoom in or out it doesn't change how much Camarilla-Anarch-Sabbat bullshit is happening proportionally
just the size of each shit-flinging contest
graceful jay
Evil chocolate created through environmentally destructive and exploitative labo...
That is most chocolate
The reason I posted Tony's Chocolonely is because it's advertised as not being made with slaves.
simple hill
does big D oppose chocolates like he opposes canned foods
wicked surge
Do Pentex sell evil chocolate
IDK but if you told me they consulted for nestle I 'd believe you
simple hill
would willie wonka be a mage
bright aurora
Willy Wonka was a mage?
radiant drum
Wonka strikes me more as a type of Fae.
compact copper
solemn lintel
RISE
RISE
RISE
compact copper
STEAL THE MOOOOOOOOOOOON
solemn lintel
WHERES YOUR FUCKING RAGE
simple hill
It’s funny how low generation Kevin is yet he still got treated like shit in the camarilla
For actually offering helpful advice
solemn lintel
Does he actually know blood magic or is he just high domination
wicked surge
Does he actually know blood magic or is he just high domination
we have not seen him do thaumaturgy on screen yet funny enough.
unless he learned a ritual to make bagged blood consumable as in v5 you need a merit for it and high blood potency (aka typically older/low gen vampires) can't survive off it
simple hill
He mentions that he was forced to scrounge for arcane lore in the 99p store
Which might mean he’s not been trained in thaumaturgy
So he might have put max points into domination and willpower instead
simple hill
we have not seen him do thaumaturgy on screen yet funny enough.
unless he learn...
Would it make a difference if that’s not actually blood
But vitae
wicked surge
yes but it's still notable
simple hill
He’s a sixth gen so he does probably have high potency
wicked surge
he has exclusively relied on dominate and debatable some auspex for discipline usage on screen unless I missed something
bright aurora
the Great and Mighty Kevin is 8th gen I believe?
simple hill
Oh right he’s eighth
Still pretty potent
He’s also relatively freshly embraced isn’t he?
So his potency might be low
wicked surge
yep
simple hill
Assuming he has minimal blood potency for his generation bagged blood should still nourish him
solemn lintel
Isn’t he 9th generation?
green geyser
Pretty sure 9 yeah
Which tbf is still decently powerful, at least compare to his peers
solemn lintel
It’s pretty strong yeah
wicked surge
Which tbf is still decently powerful, at least compare to his peers
not even compared to his peers 9th Gen means if he survives long enough he'd be at par or more powerful than an elder depending on what he does to train in the interim.
Bros biggest problem isn't innate talent it's lack of mentorship and help to develop his disciplines because the tremere are ... well the tremere
green geyser
I vaguely recall hearing 9th Gens are the strongest possible vampires you can mechanically play in WoD
Or at least in the edition HtP is based on
bright aurora
yeah V5 does not want you to play ancillae who are hyped on blood power and do whatever they want
graceful jay
There is an entire book for playing Ancillae
wicked surge
and lore sheets and predator types based on being an older vampire with ties to historical families and events...
bright aurora
oh huh
wicked surge
it's just that v5 is designed around a world where vampires actually can get bodied if they're arrogant
bright aurora
I didn't read those, I only had the V5 core rules and a few of the other books, fair enough
wicked surge
I mean even in the core book giving an elder max level clan disciplines is insane
a Ventrue is someone who can order whole crowds of mortals into obedience, stun them with presence, and outright face tank entire volleys of machine gun fire
but even he can get overwhelmed
graceful jay
A Ventrue Elder is someone who if you shot them with an anti tank rifle, they could get up and throw an entire car at you.
wicked surge
Meanwhile a brujah elder is literally capable of one hit killing anything they don't like with a combination of lightning strike fist of caine and potence. and that's before throwing in presence and spark of rage to stoke crowds
the main limits on vampire power in v5 is hunger level
and if you can bite attack people hoo boy
simple hill
Preserving vampiric vitae for drinking later would be uhhh
Blood sorcery?
Blood alchemy?
wicked surge
tba but there are blood sorcery rituals who can potentially do something similar via caelixes to store vitae in v5
bright aurora
Blood Sorcery notably does this
warped portal
I'm reminded of how my Bagger messed up every single time he tried to feed on something not a bag
weak phoenix
All rigjt
Hear me out
Thaumaturgy through gun
His power would be even more immense.
simple hill
In vtmb 2 I know Phyre literally casts gun with blood sorcery
patent cargo
So looking at the example fomori art posted by Eliphus makes my skin crawl and left me mentally unsettled. I think there's just something specific about the body horror depicted that is setting me off.
I would burn down an O'Tolleys just to kill that thing. And then probably also everything else within a 1 block radius. Mission accomplished?
wicked surge
So looking at the example fomori art posted by Eliphus makes my skin crawl and l...
Least extreme garou response
patent cargo
A very good job was done in inciting a deep reaction of disgust and horror, and I can think of few ways to ever feel safe again
patent cargo
Both?
patent cargo
. ^.
So I don't even get to see that burn
But perhaps something worse?
patent cargo
Of course, but the principle is in retribution for what I have seen
graceful jay
Yeah keep in mind btw
Any time Eliphas just posts art, thats him doing his own thing
Unless he posts something specifically from an episode that already aired
surreal crown
THIS CANNOT BE CHANGED
compact copper
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/528772767982682112/1431787716730945597/im...
KILL IT NOW
BEFORE IT GETS AWAY
graceful jay
warped portal
I just copied it from the tvtropes page and did it up as a token
green geyser
Togo is Claptrap
fathom kettle
Okay!
So watching this, and they mention Matilda could have been working with an Anasi.
wicked surge
I believe the theories are anansi, or glass walker given the mention?
I'm more inclined to say Glass walker given the anansi's general distates for the garou, the glass walkers turning to spider in V5, and it only being one spider as opposed to a swarm, and knowing how to step into the gauntlet
graceful jay
Gee I wonder what tribes might show up in the story
fossil pollen
Glass Walker and Red Talon in the same pack is like a Wahabbist Odd Couple buddy comedy
patent cargo
Everyone knows the explanation episodes always cover random information that never comes up again
I mean, remember when D brought up werewolves back in that first audiolog? Man, we must feel silly for thinking there would be one.
wicked surge
Gee I wonder what tribes might show up in the story
OH believe me, the heaping hub of foreshadowing was noted
patent cargo
Red Talon, Glass Walker, and a Silent Strider.
Of the ones we know, anyways. Might be 3 in this pack, might be 5.
simple hill
I can’t imagine more than like 3-4 werewolves
patent cargo
5 is assuming the writers are being funny and made a full lunar cycle of auspices for the pack
wicked surge
TBF, We Did have Kitten dismiss it out of turn, so it would be foreshadowing that he's entertainingly wrong
simple hill
What if the club head literally is a pyramid head like creature
Who keeps the water unnaturally blue
radiant drum
graceful jay
solemn lintel
https://bsky.app/profile/kitschyketchup.bsky.social/post/3m62jyptfh226
Fuckkkk I love the tile thing so much
graceful jay
solemn lintel
She’s right you know
chilly seal
Big D drugging himself to debuff Kevin is lore accurate
Hallucinogens, unable to concentrate
Literally what made Kevin's dominate weaker and unable to work properly + their training
Lmao
wicked surge
I take issue with the words drugging himself to in that sentence but yeah it's canon and very funny 
ionic cloud
ancient crescent
"Hey Lad, ever seen me CASTIGATE THE ENEMIES OF THE GODHEAD?"
weak phoenix
I'll be real
a Lancer series from Ogre would probably be insane.
Because considering how some mechs can fucking time travel.
We definitely know a Pilot Big D would do stupid shit to just do "Oh yeah, I was there." moments.
surreal crown
Not enough of them had terminal mech-brain I reckon
weak phoenix
I pitched it once actually
Oh dam.
fair bear
😔
warped portal
Reminds me about the time I read about a Storyteller having a Pegasus showing up in their Mage game
split raven
Horus is some Virtual Adepts/Etherite shit
surreal crown
Average Goblin hacking paradox for +2 Heat and Impaired
split raven
What if I...
[Prime 3, Forces 5, Life 4]
Suddenly exploded? 
might be possible without using Prime but my thought was using your own life-force to empower the explosion
alternatively, from M20 How Do You Do That
The living bomb – crafted from Life 4/ Prime 4/ Time 4/ Forces 3 – has become an awful weapon in our Age of Terror.
Prime 4/Time 4 is for prepping someone to explode at a specific time so in theory just Life 4/Forces 3 would be necessary to blow oneself up
possibly just Life 3?
graceful jay
solemn lintel
Oh neat
slow bay
glad you guys are getting recognition
solemn lintel
Yea
It’s good
The show needs recognition
There was a dire lack of Kevin x Guy fanfiction online last time I checked
slow bay
be the change you want to see in the world Karen
solemn lintel
I’m busy writing a web serial ;-;
slow bay
that's fair, you are
radiant drum
HTPcore.
compact copper
I’m busy writing a web serial ;-;
You’re writing a web serial?
solemn lintel
yeah
compact copper
Can I get a link?
solemn lintel
this is not out yet im mostly making sure ive got an actual backlog
but yeah sure ill try to get you a link once it starts getting uploaded
im at 30k words rn, mostly cleaning up the first chapters and shit to make sure its all ready.
solemn lintel
d'aw thanks
graceful jay
gusty urchin
lmaooo
solemn lintel
LMAO
weak phoenix
Oh my god
Wait
Wait
Wait a minute
Are you trying to say Zach is going to guest star in something with this?
graceful jay
this is from the reddit
compact copper
I know for a goddamn fact that (assuming he survives) boy is gonna grow up to draw smiling friends Yaoi
wicked surge
boy would be growing up in the mid 2010s he's absolutely making halo reach music videos and amvs of mid 2010s anime
frail citrus
FIRE YOUR GUN-
wicked surge
FIRE YOUR GUN-
You understand
frail citrus
radiant drum
FIRE YOUR GUN-
I LOVE BREAKING BENJAMIN RAAAAH
graceful jay
solemn lintel
I love her
radiant drum
Surreal seeing some who works on a show sharing funny tumblr art about the show.
surreal crown
That's all of them
solemn lintel
Oh shit
unique ermine
oh shit
well
i know what i’m doing this evening
back home for christmas too, a long line of becs’s would agree this is the play
warped portal
I thought it had premiered in the few hours since I slept, lol
compact copper
Before we get to any big lore drops people will react to
I just wanna say
You think if Boy transitions she’d rename herself to Girl?
compact copper
Good ad
I might just buy those socks to avoid necrosis
||The Markus homunculus story explains a lot||
Good episode
compact copper
Yes
simple hill
I’m a worm
short cradle
https://tenor.com/view/dancing-worms-worms-on-a-string-jingle-jam-jinglejam-gif-14441517727257660830
short cradle
https://youtu.be/R_EOLqhh2DU?si=dDRuyX9uefDXlHR_
||oh my god, he's burgers||
frail citrus
Hm. || Do. Or. Die. ||
Good Episode, as always
also || "I dont' always know where the line is!" Horse Neigh in the background|| hm. concerning.
radiant drum
That is an issue at the core Hunter innit? Cause there are supernaturals that are at very least neutral, possibly eve helpful to humanity, but they're so rare and so similar to dangerous ones that you can't spare the benefit of the doubt.
weak phoenix
"..."
"I know I screw-"
"Screwed up! Screwed up!? YOU JUST SHOT OUR ONLY FRIENDLY CONTACT WITH THE SHAGGY DOGS!"
"How the fuck was I supposed to know he was a friendly! He came the fuck out of nowhere!"
"He gave the signal! Fuck!"
"Signal! Him fucking roaring at us was the signal?!"
-- Agents [Redacted] & [Redacted] audio during Operation Torch-Maker
Being a hunter is suffering
being in a compact is three times worse with the suffering.
radiant drum
I should note when it say it's an issue, I don't mean it's a problem, I mean it's part of the core concepts, adding to the danger of being a Hunter
compact copper
Also man
The more episodes come out
The more death flags door has
I’m starting to think he’s fucked
short cradle
aw man our favs ain't immortal demigods anymore, they are but mortal men
weak phoenix
Yep
Though Door's opening monologue is really telling about the shit he went through before the show even started.
He can't turn it off.
And him being a hunter is probably making whatever prior service trauma worse.
simple hill
He also ||clearly left his wife on poor terms||
At least ||I’m assuming the feminine voice in his head belongs to his wife||
Honestly I’m ||more curious about the fact that big D’s father apparently fought in the revolutionary war||
weak phoenix
||Yeah, and her showing up means that she represents his inner self-critic about putting his son in this life.||
simple hill
||that’s definitely not ordinary mortal lifespan lmfao||
simple hill
Does it also ||preclude big D himself being a mummy, if his father lived two hundred or so years ago||
Assuming of course it’s not exaggeration and misinformation as usual
(The fact that big D casually brought up his father to Kevin before implies to me he’s a real figure though)
ebon jewel
o' tolleys slop sauce gotta be hella expensive to be made in the usa
wicked surge
I have finally watched the episode. Credits list the voice as ||Boy's mother - that says nothing about former marital status, currnet or otherwise. That said, given what Door's internal voice for her is worried about Boy, I get the impression she didn't want her kid in the Hunter's life for sure at least.||
Other things that horrify me;
||Boy Mentions a person dissolving in the back - that promotion Francis mentions, the extra fat? Yeah I get the feeling that was the victim. https://www.aetv.com/articles/what-happens-when-a-dead-body-is-dissolved-in-lye Human bodies when dissolved can turn into fats or even soap. Kill a Victim, get free soap for your bathrooms. Call that corporate efficencyc. Also Blair's threat is going to be true soon, lmao.||
On the theme of parenting, and hypocrisy that comes with the D-Clan:
||Its kinda sad to see that even though D never callds Door Stupid, what he said about Marckus ("You Stupid Boy was absolutely an intentional script callback, I see you HTP, that hits Door just as much. His internal monologue also puts his past interaction with Marckus in the Horse Monologue in a new light. Door wants his family to open up. He values Boy's kindness. But Door's also clearly suppressing his emotions and doubts to focus on day to day survival as his largest concern, because he feels its his responsibility, even over D's, largely only confiding in D. ||
Some easter eggs:
||GOd the Menu prices are almost worth the risk of eating long pork, I have a strong feeling people in wod praise the O'tolley's family pack like its the costco hotdog. I need to get better freeze frames, but there's a blue sign, a red road sign, and a police car that I assume is Kevin and Chapman spotted. ||
||Also I Knew Door burned that restaurant down, lets fucking gooooo!||
bright aurora
okay here's a question
||is "do or die" supposed to implie DOOR DIE or am I finally seeing things||
ebon jewel
||naw that sounds abt right for the ogre poppenang crew||
wicked surge
||is "do or die" supposed to implie DOOR DIE or am I finally seeing things||
||It could be foreshadowing. We're due a patriarchs death for a lack of mercy, per Horse, and Door even when he's right consistently acts without it towards his enemies.||
||Remember the lesson he imparts even here to boy is "these mosnters aren't good they're just taking advantage of the fact you think they are"||
patent cargo
That Door ||struggles with something resembling intrusive thoughts explains a lot about him||.
wicked surge
(The fact that big D casually brought up his father to Kevin before implies to m...
Also re this:
||So it does add a lot of questions if it's true. Big D references being the guy who killed Houdini and assuming that wasn't as a vampire Houdini got punched in 1926, dating D to a century and raising questions of his family's life span and how it's obtained. It should be noted at this point D is clearly familiar with selling supernatural goods including Vitae... and his family were supposedly dangerous enough to take down a Methuselah. even if it wasn't a Methuselah it's worth noting for a simple reason: having vitae on call makes you eternally young. and it would explain the aging of D's father although not D himself, unless he's secretly had a way to get vitae||
frail citrus
there's precident
simple hill
I wonder if door is going to eventually kill a friendly and harmless vampire that most vampire coteries in the camarilla liked
Turning vamps who might have otherwise been content staying in hiding mad enough to lend aid to the cammies
wicked surge
I wonder if door is going to eventually kill a friendly and harmless vampire tha...
My suspicion is that he pisses off Kevin or some other vamp and it upsets Boy enough where this time Boy isn't around to turn the lights on so to speak
simple hill
Yeah
wicked surge
I do like that there's continued development of a need to make distinctions
simple hill
Honestly that might be how the cookie crumbles
Kevin might have assumed that his relationship with big d is above board stuff with the family
wicked surge
here Boy albeit partially selfishly thinking Francis was maybe good and finding the bodies because of his investigation is what saved Door
without that thoroughness... uh oh
simple hill
And reveal himself to them to help them without realizing that they don’t know they are working together
wicked surge
And reveal himself to them to help them without realizing that they don’t know t...
yeah I suspect Kevin is going to reveal his collaboration with D soon and it's going to ruffle feathers
simple hill
Or he might figure whatever emergency the family found themselves in justified him revealing himself
And it’s probably not gonna go well yeah
Because big d clearly has been saying different things to different people
wicked surge
Because big d clearly has been saying different things to different people
Yeah ep 4 show Markus surprise when D says he's using Kevin's identity so he definitely hasn't told Marcus and seemingly door or kitten of his alliance
mind if anyone would be kept out of the loop on that it's Marckus
simple hill
Not to mention that Kitten says that Big D taught him vamps are inhuman monsters who replaced the original human
simple hill
It’s something kitten needed to hear at the time
Because he was consumed by guilt etc
But it was also not entirely accurate
wicked surge
mmhm
Kevin's existence throws a lot of what kit and Door know about vampirism into question
wicked surge
not to mention the existence of more progressive anarchs. while D is derisive of them it doesn't change that anarchs who try to respect human life exist and generally just want to be left alone
simple hill
Shoot first ask questions never
Last time I played Hunter related game
I talked with the supernaturals first
Thought about their various perspectives
And then came to realize
These guys are still fucking assholes
wicked surge
yeah that's the case with a lot of them
and why the path the garou and in parallel door take is so easy
and yes I think it's intentional we have an entire rant By D about failing to make distinctions being the central failing of the garou before we cut to his son Door who is extremely unsure if he can allow himself to make such distinctions
simple hill
Yeah
graceful jay
Its intentional that big d is failing to make a distinction by saying garou all fail to make distinctions
wicked surge
yep
graceful jay
"It helps no one to be reductive"
wicked surge
because if jambles didn't literally everyone int he building would be dead
wicked surge
kinda
but the point is reduction may make you safe in the short term but has long term costs
simple hill
Yeah
graceful jay
To say that reduction never helps anyone
That is the joke yeah
Its a quote from Xavier renegade angel
Its just summing up a hypocrisy in a single sentence
simple hill
Big D kinda caught himself in a contradiction rn
wicked surge
I do think the willingness to make distinctions at least is becoming a running theme on whether things will turn out well on a hunt or not, and suspect the gangs ability to be thorough and not blinded by emotion will determine their fates in this arc and maybe the larger series.
take Matilda. she jumps fatigue, she loses a valuable ally in exchange for the short term fear of him being a stolen moon who could stop her.
take D. d assumes that the garou are so unwilling to give back Marckys that he immediately is willing to throw his lot in with pentex affiliates.
Take Door. Door wasn't wrong about the danger Francis posed but his refusal to more thoroughly find proof means the only reason he got a clear shot at the threat was because Boy, the one most determined to find answers found the bodies.
Take Palmer, who assumes he knows Kevin's deal and his failure to fully investigate his presence means Kevin and Chapman escape with a briefcase of unknown value and the knowledge to tie him as someone D cannot trust.
in all cases jumping to conclusions instead of being thorough investigators may relieve a short term concern, but in the long term just sets up more problems.
and the thing that impresses me is that its felt consistently believable that each character would make the calls they did.
simple hill
Honestly negotiating with the Garou at this juncture doesn’t seem like a bad idea
But I think big d and everyone is blinded by their loss to fully rationally consider things rn
bright aurora
The Garou are a less dangerous ally than the Coalition, which is kinda crazy considering how dangerous an ally a Garou pack can be
simple hill
It’s clear that Garou while hostile also wants to avoid escalation
That’s leverage, kinda
Where’s that scene from Star Trek
Like “we gotta get Markus back, no matter the costs” is an irrational viewpoint that prevents people from considering easier options to achieving the same goal
It intrinsically justifies even extreme solutions that sounds effective
Like allying with Pentex
Hunters know they got something werewolves want
Werewolves have something hunters want
A bargain can be struck
bright aurora
Hell, the Hunters win by trading the data to the Garou because now Pentex can’t feed that to their vampire goons
Or ||freaky O’Tolley’s manager-monsters||
wicked surge
I mean I think the implication at this point is less the data and more Kittens knowledge of black shuck
and white shuck which was valuable enough to be considered classified coalition intel
bright aurora
It would be so typically Garou to B&E for files instead of just asking politely
wicked surge
tbf
asking politely in a place that so far as you know contained the last member of an entire bloodline of stolen moons...
maybe a bit of a risk
bright aurora
Like I’m just saying, a moderately more skilled infiltrator could’ve identified Kitten and prompted him to spill everything by asking about his academic interests
In and out, no mess, minimal suspicion
wicked surge
well we don't know when Matilda infiltrated. if it was after the arcanum ban that's a moot point
Intel would have been classified by then
gusty urchin
partway through the new ep
really like the convo between door and boy when they're waiting for their food
i think door is a good dad (except for putting boy on an all meat diet)
frail citrus
lots of nice nuance to door in this one
weak phoenix
Yeah
The man is as blunt as rock
but he loves his son and his family to the point where he will fight a vampire with just an EOD suit, a revolver, and a minefield.
(Man, that family meeting safety brief must've been wild when the mine question got brought up)
weak phoenix
Double posting: But the more you think it, Door is a stoic.
And not push down your feelings stoic, more "I am feeling this and how do I process it logically"
Which I guess he's sorta trying to teach Boy to do?
wicked surge
Which I guess he's sorta trying to teach Boy to do?
I think he's trying to be one but is hypocritical in how much he suppresses things.
His advice towards boy and Marckus is sound - he consistently advocates for them to be kind and empathetic.
but his belief that he has to be the one present or disaster follows means he struggles to use that empathy with people who aren't his immediate family. I assume something in his backstory is related to that.
but its why he's teaching boy both "feelings are normal and good and ok" and "monsters will abuse your good nature and you shouldn't let them in." which while true ignores that not every supernatural or even every supernatural monster is best deal with by killing (see: Kevin)
bright aurora
He’s a surprisingly cool guy that Door
wicked surge
Door's empathy honestly makes him the glue of the family
bright aurora
He’s stoic and he looks at feelings closely and carefully he just takes on too much because he feels the responsibility to keep things together and be there for his family so heavily
wicked surge
yeeep