Hunter the Parenting Pit

[solemn lintel]

suddenly people were dying everywhere and like
wow

[weak phoenix]

Yep

Like, again, a lot of media if it involves the supernatural should really play it up as to how much of a deeply traumatic thing it was to the point it's an instant trigger for certain beings.

[graceful jay]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/update-08-29-to-137624583?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=web_share

[solemn lintel]

OH SH

[frail citrus]

I cannot watch this I'd tilt when i hit the cut.

[deft urchin]

Same lol

[solemn lintel]

I took a listen

excitingggg

||the yuri particles between Amanda and Matilda grows like a storm||

[icy gulch]

Audiolog's looking great. ||Got my curiosity really piqued as to what Fatigue's betrayal was.||

[wicked surge]

5.2 audio log preview spoilers
||I suspect fatigue was hunting down wolfs and enemies of the arcanum for a long time judging by the imbued eye that was the thing only he could work... until he stopped. .||

[solemn lintel]

Holy shit

True!

[prisma adder]

We're getting fed

Finally

[weak phoenix]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[gusty urchin]

YEAAAHHHH

[solemn lintel]

YEAAAAAA

[split raven]

YEAAAAAH

[compact copper]

YEEEEEEEAH

[short cradle]

https://youtu.be/NcuV2WW2fOs soon....

[graceful jay]

for the record

it is 2 and a half hours

grab a snack if you wanna watch the premire

[solemn lintel]

oh holy FUCK

voy why do you guys keep doubling them in length every time

[graceful jay]

we're effortcreeping perfectionists

[solemn lintel]

we're going to have a 24 hour audio log just before the finale that is a full live actual recording of an entire day

IM WORRIED ABOUT YOU

so much

god

okay im gonna enjoy this when i get home though

[slow bay]

oh damn

[short cradle]

sus amongus in the chapter house

soup.

[wicked surge]

I fear for the day we get the 4 hour audio log, so many little details to comb over...

[simple hill]

Ch… ||cheese arrow…?||

There must be a rational explanation for all this

Who the fuck was that

[short cradle]

oh my god, togo sticker

[graceful jay]

It's Togo

[slow bay]

fucking Togo

[simple hill]

Where did it come from

[short cradle]

what da fuck

[simple hill]

Do you think Amanda will join the family as a hunter

[compact copper]

KILL THIS THING RIGHT NOW

[simple hill]

Wernon ||used to be an imperialist I see||

[compact copper]

DRIVE A STAKE THROUGH IT

[solemn lintel]

What the fuck is that thing

[compact copper]

PUNCTURE ITS HEAD AND MAKE SURE NOTHING REMAINS

KILL IT

[solemn lintel]

YEAH LMAO

[simple hill]

I do not know

[compact copper]

KILL IT

KILL IT

[solemn lintel]

it was a real bruh moment when I heard that

[simple hill]

Different times

Tbh

He’s better than his father

[solemn lintel]

True

But also

Wow

[simple hill]

||Insensitive haha…||

Arcanum’s what

[short cradle]

myes

||eh is that cobra||

[compact copper]

…||well seems this arcanum has always had issues with Catholics||

||oh fuck they had colonies?||

||I thought they were just working in normal imperial Britain||

||not establishing their own||

WHO THE FUCK ||IS THE GUY IN PRUSSIAN POWER ARMOR?!||

[simple hill]

huh

[compact copper]

||BIG D BROUGHT IT UP||

||MATILDA COULD ALSO BE THE GHOUL||

||IM NOT CRAZY||

||MY THEORY HAS LEGS||

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[simple hill]

matilda likely ||red talons||

[compact copper]

Every time you post something Voy I get increasingly concerned

[fossil pollen]

The hallmark of a good ST is their ability to post things that make people concerned

Can’t wait to dig into this when I get out of bed

[simple hill]

the ||prussian guy had true faith of all things?||

[compact copper]

||I mean, he was wearing plate armor in the Philippines. He seemed nothing but dedicated||

[simple hill]

||and a guy with true faith was... working with vampires???||

they are ||giovannis aren't they||

or... what are they....?

[compact copper]

Rip ape boy…….

[simple hill]

no, ||some kind of sorcerers...||

[green geyser]

So what did I miss

[compact copper]

Uhhh

A lot

[green geyser]

Fair

I see the premiere is still going

[compact copper]

||does young Fatigue have the same VA as Kevin? I feel like I heard his voice a bit when he was yelling||

[weak phoenix]

||The VA either was Kevin or Markus'es.||

||I heard a little of Markus in young Fatigue.||

[wicked surge]

||Yeah, that's earndil, I recognize his over the top screm buried in there||

||Also check the description, it confirms!||

[simple hill]

Deltarune reference lmfao

[weak phoenix]

||Since Gargo's is mentioned as a partner in the coalition stash. Is Pentex part of the coalition or at least one its subsidiaries among the corporate hydra?||

[compact copper]

Ah yah, voiced by Earndil

[compact copper]

DRIVE A SPIKE THROUGH ITS HEART

SKEWER IT BEFORE IT CAN GET AWAY AGAIN

[short cradle]

horrid little thing

[frail citrus]

new hunter campaign

kill togo

[weak phoenix]

So, does the Arcanum just have a bound elf? Fairy?

[radiant drum]

||The Cheese Arrow is the most rancid thing I've ever seen.||

[graceful jay]

https://uquiz.com/quiz/0CzqLs/which-hunter-the-parenting-character-are-you

Also an official quiz to go with the release

[wicked surge]

More initial post log thoughts:

||holy shit this ep explains so much of Remold. His dad got mauled by a werewolf, he spent his whole life believing they killed the one responsible, and they had to take them all down, because Fatigue's father false flagged his family into believing the worst of garou. Fatigue's murder is probably only making it worse; I really want to see how he'd react to learning the truth of the records, though I wonder if D& Kitten will keep that info close to chest, since they don't want him narcing to the coalition. I'm also half wondering if our 'coalition' agents will turn out to be Palmer and co. I doubt it, but I don't know how far the Pentex subsidiaries reach and if that includes "Gran dad foods LTD". ||

[solemn lintel]

I’m gonna ship Matilda and Amanda

I think this is the only reasonable response

[fathom kettle]

This was the most shocking thing in the episode so far.

[weak phoenix]

It wasn't shocking for me.

After the Blender Crusade

I knew how things could get

Especially during the Pentex episode and the really fucking eager lady grunt.

[fathom kettle]

||Wait, werewolves can be ghouls?||

[graceful jay]

Anything can

If it has a mouth

[simple hill]

Yeah

There’s technically nothing preventing from werewolves ghoulifying according to the rules

Aside from the

Obvious difficulty

Of holding a werewolf down long enough to force feed it blood and bond it to you

[fossil pollen]

Legit surprised at the revelation for Mathilda ||having Red Talon markings, I'd have marked her as a Bone Gnawer for sure|| but I can kinda see it still, now we have to wait another year for more

I wonder how early they got ahold of the new book for this

[graceful jay]

NOT A YEAR

NO EVIL CURSES HERE

[solemn lintel]

i am still so confused about togo
i have no context for this

is this a bit in like, norfolk wizard game???

is this a bit elsewhere???

ive never seen this thing before in my life

[fossil pollen]

I believe its a tool to induce levity and generate content through confusion

also, The Arcanum doesn't hunt monsters, just documents them, they're obligated not to kill it just shoo it away

[simple hill]

Wonder if Amanda will be a more permanent addition to the Hunter team

[weak phoenix]

Togo probably is just one of those minor fae that got tricked into striking a bargain.

[solemn lintel]

???

[simple hill]

Togo is Togo

[solemn lintel]

i feel like im going insane

[simple hill]

Togo is a natural, known phenomenon

Amanda isn't surprised to see Togo after all

[weak phoenix]

They literally have the evil walking dolls.

[simple hill]

just annoyed

[solemn lintel]

this is the first time ive seen togo

[simple hill]

well we all go through much of our lives seeing things for the first time

[weak phoenix]

||Also, those frames in-between 1:05 and 1:06? What is that?||

[simple hill]

could be animation ||error. Maybe it's the wyrm i dunnow||

[graceful jay]

Togo is always stealing scenes tbh

[weak phoenix]

||Like it's glitched out but it looks like a doorway?||

[graceful jay]

Animation glitch

Technically a rendering error

[solemn lintel]

im gonna throw gravel at you

[weak phoenix]

Oh okay

Thought it was one of those pause frames that pop up sometimes.

Also, considering some of the stuff mentioned.

The National Parks...Was Teddy Roosevelt a Were?

[surreal crown]

When I grow up

I wanna be just like Togo

[solemn lintel]

the rage i feel in my heart, it burns like a great and glorious divine sun

[surreal crown]

It's almost as warm like my love for Togo

[simple hill]

anyways

plasma screen tvs...

they are a Pentex plot to destroy the universe?

[fossil pollen]

Now’s a great time to read that W5 book imo, if you haven’t made it there yet haha

[weak phoenix]

Anything can be a pentex plot

[fossil pollen]

I absolutely loved D’s monologue about the worlds great evils and then goes ||”and that is why I DO NOT FUCK WITH WEREWOLVES”||

[radiant drum]

oh hey snipe and wib shout out, The MisanthroPod was their podcast.

Also ||did D hook up with a Glass Walker??? He sounded really happy when he said "physical interactions".||

[solemn lintel]

YEAH LMAO

[fathom kettle]

||Wait... wait... isn't there a lore figure that stole werewolf powers?||

[fossil pollen]

||at least one, and in W5 they call out someone called 'The Skinner' as someone who is still actively doing it, collecting Garou pelts and adding them to himself like a patchwork nightmare||

[fathom kettle]

||I remember someone else... a garou kinsmen. Can't remember his name.||

[simple hill]

He mentioned that werewolves who go on the computer are… usually more social compared to others

[simple hill]

||Skinning garou pelts and wearing them to become a werewolf is a lore thing???||

Honestly fascinating

[simple hill]

I feel like he also appear to have hooked up with ||werecats of norfolk||

Or they are otherwise his allies that he trusts

Probably ||sworn to uphold their secrecy so unwilling to divulge any more information to kitten||

I get the feeling that ||Fatigue’s room is wyrm-tainted considering all the flies…||

Maybe that’s why ||Amanda killed him? She smelt the wyrm on him?||

Red talons are all ||actual wolves btw right||

[fossil pollen]

In W5 that requirement is removed, so there are ||homid-born Red Talons||

[simple hill]

Ah

But they still hate all humans?

[graceful jay]

Not as a hard fast rule no

[fossil pollen]

Not.....okay well yes and no?

[graceful jay]

They're more varied at least

[fossil pollen]

I mean, form their standpoint, W5 Red Talons see humanity as being the driving force behind ecological collapse, so yeah they've got beef

[graceful jay]

Generally it is more "humans should not have inherent greater treatment over other animals"

[fossil pollen]

yeah that's the biggie, what Voy said

They've got some much needed nuance in W5, imo

Just to be clear, if you're human? Probably not the Garou you're likely to survive an encounter with

[simple hill]

I see I see

So they treat humans like animals

[fossil pollen]

as equal to animals is more accurate

[graceful jay]

Also this IS the spoiler room

For the record

[frail citrus]

i need to listen to that audiolog now it's no longer streaming

[simple hill]

I do remember a joke in a novel I read that I liked haha

“You will be perfect for this role, since you treat human lives like they are worth less than insects’ anyways.”

“My excellency! That’s not accurate! I do not treat human lives worse than I treat those of insects!”

“…alright, let me rephrase that. Do you think human lives should be worth more than that of insects’”

“Of course not, your excellency! To think otherwise would be unacceptably anthropocentric view of the universe.”

“Do you think living things should be treated better than, say, rocks?”

“Of course not! The masses only believe that the living is more valuable than the dead because they themselves are living. It is once again an unacceptably anthropocentric view of the world.”

[fluid prism]

wait what was that about the ||Philippines-||

[rain wedge]

So what was that ||depression nihilism spiral that kitten and Amanda went through? ||

[simple hill]

seems like ||wyrm taint||

there's evil ||Pentex cheese on the floor||

||Decay everywhere judging by the flies||

[rain wedge]

Ok that what I thought it was

[weak phoenix]

Huh

Hey, so, remember Horse's prophecy?

||Was Horse seeing the past and just telling Boy about what happened to Fatigue when he mentioned "mastering Luna"?||

[rain wedge]

I notice the amount ||of flies on fatigue during moments of the flash back thinking that perhaps he was under the same effect with the quick realization that his dad is a bastard ||

[weak phoenix]

||Is Horse's prophecy basically a big "Hey, so, this happened. Please, I'm begging you, don't repeat this"?||

[fathom kettle]

God...

Are we gonna see ||the Dancers?||

[weak phoenix]

Ohhhhhhhh

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

Wow

Okay, now I understand the stuff spoiled from other posts.

[fathom kettle]

||Wait! Did we already see one in the Kevin and Guy episode?||

[weak phoenix]

||Okay, now this recontext's horse's prophecy even more. Was that a warning about being on the lookout for being influenced by the Wyrm???||

[simple hill]

seems so.

||The rising three

shall signal wars end.

Woe and triump.||

and ||Wyrm is typically depicted with three heads||

[weak phoenix]

||I am impressed with the writing team.||

||They have plotted this out immensely.||

||Oh. So, I know RT's pretty much are brutal. But did Matilda kill Fatigue like that because she smelled Wyrm taint even though he rejected it?||

||Oh. So, the entire Coalition is compromised by Taint.||

||Oh. Oh no.||

||And I guess maybe also the Technocracy too depending on the canon being used? Like those exo-suits and money weren't coming out of nowhere in Vigil.||

How deep does this hole go?

https://tenor.com/view/whats-the-game-curious-whats-the-deal-carmen-sandiego-netflix-gif-17058051

[simple hill]

Yeah that’s|| my belief||

His room ||must be soaked in wyrm taint given all the flies||

It was so ||tainted it gave kitten and Amanda depression!||

[weak phoenix]

Yep

||Also, D, why is your wound from the literal fucking werewolf healed? Why do they look healed even though it's only been two hours, D?||

||Who the fuck are you, short shorts man? Who are you?||

[simple hill]

I am guessing ||some kind of sorcerer like Occam tbh||

It’s interesting that ||he knows so little about werewolves generally||

[weak phoenix]

||Yeah, but so much about Werecats.||

||I'm telling you, Charlie. The "Kitten is either an unknowingly closet bastet or kinfolk" faction is eating good tonight.||

[wicked surge]

||More fuel to the "mummy" pile to me tbh; He's old, he heals real good, mummy's absolutely fight other mummies, get weaker if they stay on the mortal realm too long (at least in the chronciles line IIRC?) and if he is a mummy candidate, it could explain why he's... so different from Big E, knows a lot about vampires given Mummy's history with Set, and why he's fought almost everything: he had time to.||

[compact copper]

JOIN ME

KILL TOGO

KILL TOGO

KILL TOGO

[patent cargo]

TBH I feel like this episode ||killed that theory harder than it supported that.||

[weak phoenix]

||Look all I know...is that there's the possibility for a Drider to show up in this somehow.||

[patent cargo]

||Werespiders? Pretty sure they just turn into a cloud of spiders.||

||not a spider-taur.||

[patent cargo]

||In either case.

Kitten wasn't immune to delirium, and if he was in close proximity to Bastet, they would have done something if he was kin.||

On another topic:

||The other symbols in the Silent Striders art are "west" and "help", by the way.||

[patent cargo]

Okay. Being slightly fair, ||I got the "bastet are in norfolk" crossed up with "the fort is a caern". So they weren't necessarily nearby.||

Also, assuming this section I looked up is true:

||Alternatively, some caerns may actively draw Kin to them, possibly even before the First Change occurs. This can occur through Kin being inexplicably drawn to the site,||

||The iron age fort is a confirmed caern. So if this bit is real lore and made it into HtP, that is a point for the theory, though I still find it very tenuous and a bit silly.||

[green geyser]

Whats a togo

[simple hill]

Togo is Togo

[ebon jewel]

philippines jumpscare from the new audiolog

god im getting flashbacks to that one us science journal article i read abt the agta ppls from 1910

[ebon jewel]

i do love the detail of ||werewolf hunter research being so colonial||

[solemn lintel]

Yeah no it’s really good

[ebon jewel]

not gonna say anything

[compact copper]

Chatroom, question, ||so the nails of Christ are a religious hunting org from the Philippines, but also seem to have good relationships with local werewolves?||

[solemn lintel]

||that genuinely seems like it||

[compact copper]

||I guess if they’re also a revolutionary Philippine group, they could more have an issue with foreign supernaturals||

||The green claw was Filipino||

[simple hill]

They are ||specifically opposed to foreign supernaturals invading the islands||

||vampires, wyrm tainted werewolves etc||

[compact copper]

Ah yah makes sense

[simple hill]

||big d mentions that some vampires often get their victims through human trafficking etc exploiting colonies||

[compact copper]

Also man this episode is reminding me

[frail citrus]

Great Episode.

[compact copper]

The subreddit is never cooking

The shit they come up with in there is cold as hell

[fathom kettle]

||There was specifically a hunter class that focused on working with supernatural. They could help vampires get food without hurting anyone. It's basically what D does with Kevin.||

[solemn lintel]

That tracks to me

What cold ass stale meals have they made

[compact copper]

“Amanda is a ghoul/a nail of Christ member because she referenced an English cultural thing that vampires also refer to”

[simple hill]

i still think the vampires ||probably have a ghoul somewhere in the chantry||

oh

that I don't believe lmfao

[compact copper]

Nah I’m vindicated completely

||Big D made passing remarks on it being possible a werewolf can be a ghoul||

||Im 100% right I’m betting my life savings on it||

[simple hill]

i mean i probably wouldve doubted ||that considering how hard it would be to ghoul a werewolf... but considering these vampires have Pentex alliance I think it might be feasible||

[solemn lintel]

I’m betting it’s Elise

[compact copper]

The ghoul is one thing but I’m like 90% sure the nail of Christ part is just because she’s black because I don’t think there’s a single reference to her being Filipino

[solemn lintel]

Just…because of shit going on

I’m fully under the presumption that ||elise was just going to mind control grimal into attacking the chancellor, and then the fucking werewolf thing happened and she had no clue.||

[simple hill]

still, these ||wolves are looking for... Black Shuck, was it?||

[compact copper]

Seems likely yah

[solemn lintel]

||just because the incident with occam is so bizarre if Matilda was working alone lmao||

[simple hill]

and also Big D could just be wrong sometimes

[solemn lintel]

||even if she was the ghoul why do this? And we have implications of multiple werewolves working together. Which doesn’t track if one of thems ghouled.||

[simple hill]

yeah

[solemn lintel]

||and also grimal still had those solar sorcery burns! And a foggy memory!||

||all the evidence for ghoul activity points to Elise.||

[simple hill]

||ghouling one werewolf? Maybe. Ghouling a pack of them? Ehhhhhhhh that seems extraordinarily difficult. Not impossible, but difficult||

[compact copper]

Yah the one thing we do still have to contend with is that Grimal definitely tried to choke out Occam and got burned for it

[solemn lintel]

Yeah

[compact copper]

It’s just a question of how and why

[simple hill]

I mean ||can ghoul werewolf use disciplines?||

[solemn lintel]

It was either werewolf mind control or Elise mind control

[simple hill]

if so ||I could see Matilda or Mathilda Dominating||

[compact copper]

I feel like that’s something the show has to answer because we are approaching murky canonicity

[solemn lintel]

But I’m under the idea that it was Elise mind control and Elise was secretly a ghoul and is freaking the fuck out about the werewolf

[frail citrus]

One Long Night, ey

[solemn lintel]

But also why would the regent be looking for black shuck

[simple hill]

wonder for what exact purpose the werewolves were trying to use ||the hunter data to find Shuck. Maybe it also contained some data sensitive to Pentex operations||

[solemn lintel]

The motives for Matilda ghoul just…don’t line up for me

[simple hill]

yeah

[solemn lintel]

By that same metric amanda ghoul also doesn’t make much sense to me. She had her alibis confirmed all throughout

[fathom kettle]

||They could have also been trying to stop Pentex from getting hunter data.||

[solemn lintel]

I’m calling Elise. Elise freaking the fuck out because of this entire situation

[fathom kettle]

||That could be ONE I f their motives.||

[compact copper]

Yah I’m curious where Pentex lies with regard to loyalty to the regent

[solemn lintel]

“My father talks to your father”

[compact copper]

Because like, vampires are wyrm tainted yah but also, they’re not all in it together

[compact copper]

Yah but that just means they have the same boss

[solemn lintel]

True!

[compact copper]

Backstabbing is common in the corporate and wyrm world

[solemn lintel]

That’s just an illustration of it

They seem to at least be

…diplomatic

[fathom kettle]

||Imagine a bunch of hunter groups being infiltrated by Wyrm agents and being made its unknowing agents. Not a lot of Hunters are as informed as D.||

[compact copper]

Yah

But also yah I just can’t imagine someone like the regent is all to happy to like, share power

She doesn’t seem the type

[frail citrus]

Black Shuck is also a powerful figure presumably

trying to find a missing hero unit is a worthwhile task

[fathom kettle]

||I think we already seen a Black Spiral Dancer with Rus. But that could easily be a red herring.||

[weak phoenix]

Yeah

||Be so funny if the next episode has !Hunter Robute part of the coalition and he's being sent in as a 'light touch' to convince D of the coalition.||

[simple hill]

they'll probably send in the world's leading expert in getting killed

[weak phoenix]

True

You think the Raven and Salamander are getting into JoJo styled adventures/fights?

[solemn lintel]

“Robert” or some shit

[weak phoenix]

Oh yeah

[compact copper]

I feel like that may be too basic for Big D

He named one of his sons Door and the other Markus with a K

It’ll probably be some form of Robert but a weird spelling of it

[weak phoenix]

Robart

Robyrt

[solemn lintel]

I mean assuming it’s actually one of his kids and not just like

A character based on the spiritual concept of Guilliman

Which also isn’t guaranteed

[compact copper]

That’s true yah

[solemn lintel]

The show has been making a very welcome departure from the 40k roots

[weak phoenix]

True

[compact copper]

But like, with the set up I kinda do assume any of the characters based off Primarchs will be one of Big D’s sons

With how many he’s had

[solemn lintel]

I expect any other references to be vague or surface level

True

[weak phoenix]

I just want to see how Corvus and Vulkan show up.

[solemn lintel]

But I don’t expect it to map on to the primarchs wholly

[weak phoenix]

Even funnier if they have a personality swap

[solemn lintel]

I could see a Corvus or vulkan equivalent showing up given they actually showed up in tts

Which is what I ultimately expect we’ll be getting our references from

[weak phoenix]

Yeah

[ebon jewel]

i do love how near every Big Powerful Character is built like a jojo

[weak phoenix]

D

Markus

Door

Ross

[ebon jewel]

||okay i was wondering what the insurrectionists thing was - i didnt remember any big revolts here by the 1920s, initially thought it might just be another matter of ppl forgetting visayas & mindanao have their own histories of uprising (one of which outright succeeded) but then nothin turned up upon searching||

oh neat this is all straight from h5

[graceful jay]

Guys this IS the spoiler channel

You dont gotta double up

[solemn lintel]

||yes we do||

||what if someone sees us||

[simple hill]

God is always watching

We must hide from his gaze

[graceful jay]

Fun fact, the werewolf in the caern is also a Canon thing

[simple hill]

Are Technocrats Weaver or Wyrm aligned

[split raven]

I got Silent Strider vibes from the silhouette
Cause iirc the striders can also more resemble jackals or whatever

[split raven]

Weaver

[graceful jay]

Weaver ideologically, Wyrm in practice

[split raven]

Wyrm aligned(in purpose) would be Nephandi

[graceful jay]

Yeah

The main thing is that Tecnocrats love industry, war, stratification and exploitation

[simple hill]

And they invented the plasma screen tv

Which feeds the wyrm

I see…

[compact copper]

We need some like, communist technocrats already

[compact copper]

I mean don’t they technically invent like, everything?

[graceful jay]

They were running the soviet union for a bit

No

Technocrats dont really "invent" anything

[compact copper]

I thought their whole deal was that everything was already invented, they just dole it out to the public slowly

[graceful jay]

They make magical items that only work because theyre magic

[simple hill]

Mad scientists

[compact copper]

Ohhh

[simple hill]

Technocratic magic is still less likely to trigger paradox then say, a fireball right

[graceful jay]

Usually yes

[simple hill]

Since people would more readily believe techy looking power armor then a fireball

[graceful jay]

Consensus is solely the purview of mages being able to cast magic

It doesn't affect anyone else

[simple hill]

Hmm

[split raven]

technocrats in theory are pushing the consensus more towards accepting high tech stuff, but they aren't really 'inventing' anything

[simple hill]

Is space a vacuum because it was always a vacuum or is it another technocratic lie

[split raven]

from the perspective of sleepers(and everyone else tbh except for like Mages and Werewolves), it was always a vacuum

Mages/Technocrats and Werewolves who go to explore 'space' typically do so through the Umbra, rather than physical space, so like, real space is still a vacuum for them but they say 'lol, lmao'

like, Horizon is in the shard realm of Mars iirc, but it's not actually on Mars, it's on the Deep Umbra's reflection of Mars

[simple hill]

I see

[split raven]

do we know what caused the green claws btw? i didnt see any gifts that do that in the core book, so the instant assumption is Black Spiral Dancer, but that seems at odds with what green claws actually did

[ebon jewel]

||kronik she/hering the devil is the one true thing hes ever said but not for the right reasons||

[graceful jay]

Im glad that line hit

[frail citrus]

I really liked the tile analogy.

[graceful jay]

All the answers you need are in da core book....

[frail citrus]

A wise and compassionate woman was fatigue's mother.

[ebon jewel]

man now i wanna run an h5 game in the ph countryside

tho up north instead, illocos

[solemn lintel]

Yea

The tile thing was so good

I gotta fuckin say

That guy so hard

[graceful jay]

Theres a surprising amount of ph lore in 5th edition

Well hes not hard at all, hes really old

[solemn lintel]

…why did my autocorrect do that

[ebon jewel]

yea im rly surprised

[solemn lintel]

“That went so hard”

[solemn lintel]

Thanks autocorrect

[compact copper]

Autocorrect is an 20th century British imperialist

[ebon jewel]

white boy reparations nods sagely

hooting and hollering white boy reparations

internationalist praxis

[split raven]

i find nothing with a ctrl+f for 'green', 'claws', or 'color', so my best guess right now is the silver claws gift used by a dancer, or some other shenanigans to make it 'oxidized' silver(which doesnt usually turn green but im speculating wildly rn)

[graceful jay]

Look up nails instead

[split raven]

searching for either 'nails' or 'nail' just gives me silver claws and razor claws, and then a couple of other bits of text that don't seem at all related(metaphor about everything looking like a nail when you have a hammer, and nailing something down)

[graceful jay]

The Sept of Green Nails is a Canon Filipino caern

[solemn lintel]

WHITE BOY REPARATIONS

GO WHITE BOY GO

[split raven]

doesnt come up with a ctrl+f

[compact copper]

Ngl I was genuinely shocked that Fatigue’s betrayal was him giving money to the nails

I was sorta expecting him to be a ghoul by the end

Like that this was an infiltration that was that much of a long con

Happy it wasn’t though

Fatigue rocks

[simple hill]

Yeah I was wondering ||if Fatigue’s family were ghouls to explain or something||

But he wasn’t

[graceful jay]

https://i.imgur.com/p7oUQxK.png

[simple hill]

Are there neutral wolves that stay out of the fight between Gaia and Wyrm

[split raven]

smh u gave it in the wrong language

[simple hill]

Can the Wyrm be redeemed

[split raven]

i saw that and thought it might be what i was looking for but i kept looking for other instances of the words in english first

[graceful jay]

Forsworn and Stargazers mostly

[solemn lintel]

I can fix her

[compact copper]

You cannot fix the embodiment of chaos and industry!

[solemn lintel]

I could do it

Maybe you can’t

[graceful jay]

You can fix the world though

[compact copper]

You cannot!

[solemn lintel]

But I could

You underestimate my rizz

[ebon jewel]

social democrat karen

[split raven]

i mean, realistically, finding a way to get the wyrm to calm the fuck down would be the absolute best endgame for the garou

it wasnt always trying to end the world, the triat originally acted in harmony, until the weaver tried to imprison the wyrm, at which point it went into overdrive to break out and then never slowed down again

[ebon jewel]

this is where lies the true path: garou socialism

[graceful jay]

I mean yeah

That's W5

The Wyrm isn't the problem, it's capitalism

[solemn lintel]

I was going to date the animist concept of destruction and chaos but yeah no that works I guess

[ebon jewel]

i need to read w5 myself at some point but the main vibes ive gotten from it r a more typical generalist anticapitalism

[graceful jay]

It's "you should fight against capitalism by improving your local area and fighting for your community"

[compact copper]

“Also suplex an oil Baron into a volcano”

[ebon jewel]

ok i do rly like how d & kitten just side w the wyrm

[compact copper]

Yah

After a whole story about how siding with the wyrm is the worst idea possible too

[ebon jewel]

ill be real, i dont have the brainjuice to parse this bit

[compact copper]

It’s a parallel with elder fatigue?

[slow bay]

paralleling their Imperium selves in TTS is I assume the intention

[ebon jewel]

that does make more sense

[compact copper]

They’ve also been given the choice to side with the wyrm to fight werewolves

Except they’re accepting the wyrm’s help

[graceful jay]

[compact copper]

Damn

We fucked up the puzzle

What are we missing?

[ebon jewel]

the thing to me in particular is just like
it captures properly how the core justifies its violences on the rest of the world to itself

[slow bay]

wait I misread that as Weaver

[weak phoenix]

Hey question

||Are the Blacklaws kinfolk?||

||Because I think it was being implied in Fatigue's episode. Along with also both Blacklaw's not freaking out at the Crinos form during the last episode.||

[ebon jewel]

its just kin in v5

[weak phoenix]

I keep forgetting we don't need to spoil everything

But yeah are they Kin? Because D and both Blacklaws weren't freaking out during that fight.

Wait no

Stupid question actually

[slow bay]

Remold was still affected by the Delirium

Until D stepped next to him

You can see it in his eyes

[wicked surge]

As was his dad, bro was shitting himself, although until Kronik went for his eye, he was holding it together ok. Delirium or not if I saw something like that eating bullets for breakfast and wrecking people I'd be scared too

[wicked surge]

Its also interesting to see how much they help or realize; the implications of flies in WTA 5 says wyrm, but D and Kitten... aren't really educated enough to know that.

I suspect any alliance with the coalition parituclarly wyrm tainted ones, will be an alliance of convenience at best - D's made his opinion on the coalition clear, along with his ethics. He'll do what he thinks he has to, to protect Marckus, but IMO the moment Marckus is safe and he thinks he can get away with it, he's pipe bombing corrupt coalition officers.

Also it makes me wonder if, to the surprise of everyone, Marckus finds himself actually enjoying hanging out with the wolves (or at least the glass walker), given they're both parties that are extremely talented, distrust authorities and hidden information, and have a knack for exploiting tools and tech to fuck with their enemies.

[weak phoenix]

I just hope Markus doesn't get hurt

Because the Were's wanted the data and they probably took him because they thought he would know something.

[ebon jewel]

i mean again we get into the tts parallels right

its also p clear that d's opinion against the garou is at least set up to give himself license to do things like side w the coalition (& the wyrm by extension)

all the polite society bs

[simple hill]

imagine if Marckus and the werewolves form an uneasy understanding despite the circumstances and the coalition fucks it up for everyone hahaha

[split raven]

i feel like the circumstances are in Marckus's favor rn actually, Matilda may be a Red Talon but her pack seems to want info on Black Shuck out of him, he probably can't give anything but hopefully someone in the pack is smart enough to say 'hey this guy is a vampire hunter, hes on our side, let him go'

[weak phoenix]

It'll probably be the glasswalker who does that.

[fossil pollen]

The real problem there would be ||Stig||, as that was somewhat of a named NPC iirc

Gonna be fun to see how they square that circle

[patent cargo]

Even though there's something called kin now as gunk mentioned, kinfolk as a concept do not exist in W5, and the production team has mentioned their discomfort with the concept of kinfolk before, so I doubt they made the HtP special lore blend cut.

Kin is the W5 term for fera that haven't changed yet. In W5, fera lineages are essentially near impossible, basically all kin are born randomly to anyone on Earth, including human families with no fera ties.

E.g. even if both parents are garou, chances are good all of their kids are plain human.

[weak phoenix]

I see

[patent cargo]

Blacklaw tanked Delirium outright once he was fighting side by side with D, which is a fairly standard way to offset the effects IIRC (and Blacklaw was already handling it pretty well)

[weak phoenix]

Along with that, his son did mention that they went hunting against other Fera.

[patent cargo]

Yep. Repeated contact and group fights are usually how it rolls.

On a more direct subject, I do like that Fatigue witnessed enough of the Wyrm's influence in some deeper aspect, to understand it as a concept closer to how garou see it. Not only impressive for surviving that level of contact, but also to come out of it understanding the fera's enemy fairly well.

[weak phoenix]

Yeah

though unfortunately because of that contact he got killed.

Very brutally.

Sometimes the Wolves have to really tone it the fuck down with their rage.

[patent cargo]

It seems he didn't come out of it untainted by the wyrm, I think, and his family remained well known for fera hunting. Either alone made him an acceptable target to a Garou.

[weak phoenix]

Yeah

Though, considering his conversion to the Nails.

He probably didn't act like the rest of his family.

But yeah, his family's name put a target on his back.

And his exposure to the Wyrm added a second target.

[patent cargo]

Anyways, running my interpretation by this vaguepost

"They're not siding with the wyrm, but they are running parallel with it's goals for now"

[wicked surge]

pretty much

they don't like aligning against werewolves but when you kill someone innocent and abduct someone's kid? you've got some bad karma heading your way

[frail citrus]

That's what they say out loud right

[radiant drum]

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Bluesky · Oct 11, 2025, 2:59 PM

[frail citrus]

They know it's a bad idea, they know there's something bad going on, but do we have a better plan to get markus back?

Road to hell n all that.

[wicked surge]

put another way. just because parallel lines cross, doesn't mean they're heading the same way.

Door and his kid probably burning down an O Tully's might be pretty important for that

[solemn lintel]

i love herrrrrr

waydaaaaaa my beloved

[glacial sphinx]

Hhhuh
So they've uh

||been foreshadowing black shuck since chapter 1 huh||

[weak phoenix]

Think so

Also, Krakus.

Yeah, that actually might explain some stuff about him.

[glacial sphinx]

Probably

We still know next to nothing except that he exists

[weak phoenix]

Yeah

but since they mentioned the fort next to the house.

And considering some of the weird stuff Krakus does.

Imma think Krakus is either a Kin or an actual Fera.

[glacial sphinx]

I suspect we will know soon...

[weak phoenix]

Yessss

I just wanna see what the fuck Door and Boy did to make the burger place go up in flames. And if it also involved Chapman.

[patent cargo]

probably hit a stove's gas pipe lighting the place up with the mounted gun they have on the Goose.

[weak phoenix]

I forgot they have that

I wonder how they hide it?

[patent cargo]

You say that like the police can do anything about D and his family.

[weak phoenix]

I mean isn't D at least wanted in several countries

[radiant drum]

Chekov's Pressure Washer Full of Colloidal Silver.

[patent cargo]

Wanted and not yet arrested

[weak phoenix]

But D went to prison at one point

And sorta killed a bunch of people in there

[patent cargo]

*colloidal silver. it's basically silver in a suspension liquid.

(if you drink it, your flesh starts turning blue, so don't do that. don't eat silver.)

[wicked surge]

It didn't unless Chapman is involved, then left?
He mentions it off hand in 5.1 while driving with Kevin. I think that would limit his involvement to spying on Door/boy Like he did Marckus at the pup, but given he's been driving with Kevin for a while by his own admission?
he left before things went a burning.

"Damn shame that we're a bit far away"

https://youtu.be/1j4qg6CFCY4?si=OBuzjdD2ptqsV5sp&t=121
(time stamped)

[weak phoenix]

I see

[wicked surge]

yeah, my questions is how things escalated to burning the restaurant down.

I mean it's o Tully's they're not exactly gonna complain that door feeds his kid greasy food and meat... and I'm not sure how either would discover the wyrm taint unless Boy reacts really badly to it

[weak phoenix]

I mean

Considering the horse thing

(Yes, I know that was because of Boy taking abs but...)

[wicked surge]

Also bit late to this. Answers in the show are leaning towards a Potential yes.

D mentions that anything can be a ghoul and this is repeatedly emphasized as part of the threat ghouls are - even the latest audio log even has him noting Matilda could have been a ghoul.

That combined with that draught of dominate, which is homebrew, seems like an important chekov's gun. Someone, somewhere has an "in case of emergency break glass for mind control" option.

That could easily have been Matilda, but it wouldn't explain how she got ghouled, esp given she's seemingly still directly under her packmates supervision.

[simple hill]

Imagine if everyone in the chantry are traitors somehow

Fatigue the Nail of Christ member

Blacklaws leopoldites

[weak phoenix]

Fatigue, Nails of Christ

Blacklaws, Society of Leopold (I mean maybe they could have a dual-membership thing going on due to Blacklaw senior's family history)

D and the gang, are their own thing

Grimal, ???

Elise, ???

Matilda, Garou

Harry and Occam are still Arcanum

And so is Amanda

Git and Spit are also Arcanum

[ebon jewel]

this would extremely scan

[wicked surge]

It'd be very funny

also IIRC occam hasn't listened to these recordings right?

God, I can imagine those would screw with his head

"Hey I'm dead, I've been embezzling money because the people you've been working with are corrupt, and your ex is absolutely right to be skeptical of them"

[simple hill]

Don’t forget the psychic doctor

I’d bet she’s also part of some conspiracy or two though

[wicked surge]

I mean she's already subverting remold by preserving D's works which is very based

[weak phoenix]

Of course, is she doing it to be based?

Or is she doing it because of Pentex?

[simple hill]

she odes do a lot of drugs...

drugs that I question whether she can afford with her salary

maybe she's being bankrolled by Pentex

[wicked surge]

I mean presumably Dr Waters and the chapter house are bankrolled by the coalition in general. as kitten himself notes he misses the arcanum as much because he's a soft boi who loves his structured environments and academic theory as it is the arcanum has the money to fund occult research.

we see that they had enough funds to send grimal and Elise on research trips to Japan, they can afford a security staff, and janitors while keeping a mansion.

combine that with the coalition being able to redact documents, and Occam explicitly being pushed around by the higher ups like remold i'd say he and Dr Waters are having to decide between trying to operate without coalition funds, and keeping their morals "clean."

Dr Waters having the money for a coke habit makes sense given that level of wealth.

you aren't able to embezzle funds for decades like fatigue did unless there's enough cash in circulation that the transactions can be inconspicuous. which means hoo boy are the arcanum rich upper crusters

[simple hill]

true true

[weak phoenix]

My only exception is the security

Because security is Blacklaw Jr and his friends.

[wicked surge]

True they are skimping with Git's salary at least

[weak phoenix]

That obviously is all Remold's.

[graceful jay]

Grimal has not been to Japan

[solemn lintel]

Unsurprising

[wicked surge]

You right. Looked back at the scene I was thinking of from ep 4 which just says Wigan Kebab, so... apparently that's english locale. but still company meals are provided at least

[weak phoenix]

She's just a stupid teenager.

[simple hill]

isn't she like 20 something

she went to college

[weak phoenix]

All right me, let me rephrase that, half of the cast are college co-eds and a small child who have no business doing this.

[wicked surge]

closer to 30s if she's marckus age

late 20s ish

[simple hill]

yeah i figure she's 20s-30s

[graceful jay]

Marckus's friend group are all mostly 30ish

[simple hill]

sounds about right

[weak phoenix]

This makes me cringe then

[simple hill]

perfect time for grimal to get a midlife crisis then

[weak phoenix]

That's only a man thing

[wicked surge]

You underestimate her power

and the power of severely bad impulse control

[simple hill]

imagine if she's a changeling

[weak phoenix]

I feel that

I almost bought the Krieg combat patrol

[graceful jay]

The main thing about Grimal is that shes pathetic, it is her most endearing trait

[wicked surge]

shrug
IDK about that (changeling thing, Grimal is absolutely pathetic), but I will say the theme of "Funding for research or trying to do it alone without funds" is a reccurring question I see the arcanum characters coping with

[simple hill]

yeah

[weak phoenix]

Oh my god, I'm almost like her.

[simple hill]

which is why I kinda assumed Dr Winters also is struggling with funds

but honestly

[weak phoenix]

I'll be real, I'm sorta actually a failson who has managed to somehow be successful.

[simple hill]

upper crust of the arcanum do seem to come from moneyed families

that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't struggling with funds though

[graceful jay]

Dr Waters

[simple hill]

arcanum's heydays seem behind them although given what they were doing with their heydays that's probably for the best

dr waters right

[solemn lintel]

TRUE

I love her

[simple hill]

woneder where blacklaws got their money from

landowning?

[weak phoenix]

I mean their Belgain nobility

They probably got money from a lot of pies.

[wicked surge]

Like, let me list my views on what I think the arcanum staff on the matter of funding is?

Harry: Knows the conflict exists, wants to keep his head down and get paid.
Elise/Grimal: Openly antagonsitic of their backers, still willing to work for them to keep the research going, Grimal openly resents the constraints on her research.

Brok: He's on daddy's money, not a problem.
Git: Would kill a man for a helping hand (eh? eh?) and enough wages to not need two jobs.
Spit: Would cry if you told him you wouldn't let him research how to be made 'Nokia N gage like

Dr Waters: Knows she needs funds for research, but also knows if she's fired she can't advise or help Occam, and reamins against D's more... direct methods of intervening. So she keeps her head down and casually disregards orders to burn research taht she thinks is valuable.

Fatigue: The most bsed man imaginable, as we learned he activley chose good over lawful, and embezzled money to do it.

OCcam: Desperately trying to balance between his own distrust for the coalition, his anger for D not being willing to reign things back even for him, and his need to keep his people fed, healthy and alive. God speed you poor irish bastard, may you get to go skydiving after this arc is over.

Remold: Presumably still raking in dough from the profits of French Colonialism, business investments and other fare. While not wyrm tainted, he is the problem (i love him) as his own power means he can ignore the consequences of destroying D's research.

[wicked surge]

Given the latest audio log? french colonialism and business holdings if I had to guess

also possibly a bargain with the fey

[simple hill]

his family is said to have a deal with the devil

[wicked surge]

They're generationally wealthy, so I assume atrocities were committed somehwere

[simple hill]

but I thought fatigue was talking about his connection to the Leopoldites

[wicked surge]

I mean, there's also mention of a lady of the house for the blacklaws in the ep 4 or 5 eye catch? I forget which one

I've been wondering who that is since it was emntioned

[simple hill]

society of st leopold in every hunter game i've played has been lilke the leading experts in getting killed lmao

[solemn lintel]

it’s actually an earthbound
Probably not

[simple hill]

i barely know what they are about since they get killed off so quickly in every game I played hahaha

[graceful jay]

Do you know Helsing

[simple hill]

yea

[weak phoenix]

Yeah

[graceful jay]

They're Escariot

[wicked surge]

They're the iscariots

[weak phoenix]

Leo's are pretty much Iscariot

[simple hill]

so they are like, Vatican sponsored monster hunters?

[wicked surge]

Yes

[graceful jay]

Yeah

[wicked surge]

Have been for a very long time

[weak phoenix]

Though there probably are separate and official Vatican backed hunter groups.

[simple hill]

they do seem to have odd opinions on monsters too

[wicked surge]

Put another way, the reason vampires fear the society of St Leopold is they are one of the oldest and most prominent hunter orgs with a high likelihood to have true faith

[simple hill]

seem to... underestimate werewolves etc

[wicked surge]

Unfortunately, this also makes them fucking zealots

[weak phoenix]

And they do stupid shit

[wicked surge]

Correct

[simple hill]

and also is on the side of "kill all monsters" dogma

[wicked surge]

Also correct, but it depends on the inquisitor

[weak phoenix]

I'm looking forward to seeing Task Force Valkyrie making an appearance if they're gonna get used.

[wicked surge]

In canon for example there's "Sullivan Dane" who despite being a hardline against vampires, is willing to have a freindly conversation with ones that are high humanity and trying to maintain it

[simple hill]

yeah in basically every game they arrive with big guns and is like "We are gonna defeat this evil! You rookie hunters would only slow us down, get lost!"

And then they get horribly killed almost immediately

[wicked surge]

He will still tell them to walk into the sun though

[wicked surge]

That's an ST decision then

[simple hill]

yeah probably

[wicked surge]

The canon version is more like "If they're here shit has already hit the fan"

[simple hill]

honestly

it's probably becaue they came... way underprepared

in the specific game they were trying to invetigate changelings

[wicked surge]

As we saw with D himself: Being a vampire killer and a Werewolf killer are two very different things

[simple hill]

and then werewolves showed up and they were like "okay we'll deal with the werewolves first"

instead of doing the reasonable thing of

runnign the fuck away

[wicked surge]

The society of St leopold doesn't like the supernatural in general, but their most common quarry is vampires

because well... listen do you know how many vampires have tried to take over the church?

its a lot

Fucking Lasombra

[simple hill]

yeah

against vampires and changelings

the people they were originally trying to hunt

i think their preparations would've been fine

but uh

werewolves

[wicked surge]

Yeah, Werewolves are even at baseline a combat build baby vampire's fear

[simple hill]

from my limited dialogue with them they seem to be of the impression that werewolves and vampires weren't all that different

[wicked surge]

and as we've learned from this audio log, Matilda isn't exactly some snot nosed whelp if she's being chosen by a glass walker to infiltrate a hunter org

[simple hill]

limited because we were getting the hell out of there

[weak phoenix]

Especially a Hunter Org that has Wyrm taint

[wicked surge]

From your games, or from something else?

[simple hill]

the game

i do wonder like

what's the general level of knowledge for leopold hunters

[weak phoenix]

Like she has great discipline because she didn't kill everyone during her first day.

[wicked surge]

Unironically varies highly by the hunter

[simple hill]

do they know that werewolves are usually a lot tougher than vampires

[wicked surge]

I would assume yes

if just because they've had to fight them enough times

and there are survivors

But there's a difference between an inquisitorial acolyte meat head, and a proper inquisitor

The guy we saw in Wernon's audiolog strikes me as closer to the first

I doubt a skinwalker wanted someone who could ahve actually guessed what they were doing tagging along

[weak phoenix]

For example, Task Force Valkyrie would know the shit they're dealing with isn't natural. But they're thinking more "Freak ass bio weapon"/"Mutant Freak".

[simple hill]

i do wonder what was up with that

[wicked surge]

Yeeep

[weak phoenix]

Society of Leopold knows it's the supernatural

[simple hill]

where did the leopoldites get power armor

[weak phoenix]

Technocracy influence probably

[wicked surge]

Technocracy or their own behind the scenes developments

[weak phoenix]

Hehehehehehehehehehe. Humans ain't making that shit naturally

[solemn lintel]

Armor did it on its own

[wicked surge]

Rememebr the church was despite its own issues with scientific advancement, a place many scholars and philsophers found funding from

for centuries

[simple hill]

and it seemed like the hunters had... machineguns?

mortars?

[wicked surge]

Maximguns

This was the 1920s ish

[simple hill]

yeah maxim guns

[wicked surge]

machine guns were more than known public tech by then

[simple hill]

and mortars

very very heavily armed haha

[weak phoenix]

Yeah, so, that probably means they were all coming out of the Zeppelin crisis.

[wicked surge]

That scene was literally wernon and the colonialists going
"Who cares we have the maxim gun and they have not"

[simple hill]

the nails of christ did seem to have automatic weapons of their own at the very end

[weak phoenix]

Probably got them from smugglers

[simple hill]

probably

[weak phoenix]

Or the black market

[wicked surge]

Yep. As it turns out when you start a war, guns get stolen

[weak phoenix]

Like the Society of Leopold with the kit they had in Fatigue's logs were a mix between Great War/Count Zago Zeppelin Crisis kit.

[simple hill]

wonder if they recovered silver bullets from the arcanum camp when they killed the leopoldites

[weak phoenix]

Probably

[gusty urchin]

late response but ||someone in the comments said something about it maybe being a bane||

[gusty urchin]

when?

[gusty urchin]

wdym?

[ebon jewel]

joking abt the devil actually being a woman

[gusty urchin]

oh i see

[simple hill]

kitten during the credits

[compact copper]

Is the society of saint Leopold apart of the coalition?

[graceful jay]

yes

[compact copper]

Ok

[wicked surge]

and pentex - since gargos products are made in part by grandad's food stuffs... so I'm worried palmer might show up as the "coalition" representative

[graceful jay]

also

https://www.tumblr.com/nightmareworks/797263484681388032?source=share

behold! the secret of immortality!

how it started

🔁 voytekio

how it's going

Tumblr · Oct 13, 2025, 4:28 AM

this is just really nice

[ebon jewel]

it Was wild to hear kinaray-a from my youtube videos

[graceful jay]

Yeah Kristina wanted to make sure it wasn't Tagalog

[ebon jewel]

good lol

[compact copper]

What’s that?

[fossil pollen]

The other language in the Philippines iirc

[compact copper]

Ah ok

[fossil pollen]

I think it’s the most prominent one?

[graceful jay]

It is not

[fossil pollen]

Ah, who uh is the gentleman in the tweet?

[graceful jay]

??

[compact copper]

What tweet?

[ebon jewel]

there are many other languages in the ph

[fossil pollen]

This one I meant

I’m on my phone I had to crop it real fast

[compact copper]

I think that’s just a random YouTube commenter

Elgenerico is a hearts of iron 4 joke

[ebon jewel]

kinaray-a is just one of em, spoken by a particular group of indigenous ppl in visayas

[fossil pollen]

The one I could never get into, but also lol

[graceful jay]

He's just a guy who left a nice commentt

[ebon jewel]

most prominent in the country is the filipino dialect of tagalog, but what lingua franca ppl actually use varies by place

[fossil pollen]

I admit, I don’t know a whole ton about the Philippines but now I kinda want to read up on it more

[graceful jay]

Im glad that this episode is serving as a sieve

People who are too colonialist or racist shall be lost and we shall be grander for it

[fossil pollen]

When my mom was little she lived there with my grandparents, I think my grandfather was stationed there when he was in the Navy but I didn’t hear much about it

[bright aurora]

getting a lot of mileage out of Royalguard Dante today

[fossil pollen]

Not that I’d have got a nuanced look from them

[bright aurora]

sometimes you gotta solicit the Bad Opinions so you can cull all the bad takes havers

[patent cargo]

I'm personally adding in the guys who think Kronik was doing the right thing with killing werewolves to take their power, because.... They missed the entire half of the audio log about the Garou having a fundamental point, I guess?

[graceful jay]

I am counting them yes

[patent cargo]

though they're probably not racist or colonialist but a third option:

poor reading comprehension

[graceful jay]

I do find people lose media literacy when it comes to our various terrible old men

[patent cargo]

the power of completely ignoring any statements that don't mesh with the perception of werewolves as pure unnuanced villains

in the audio log explicitly designed to tell you about how werewolves in WoD are different

[ebon jewel]

no thatd still be racism

[graceful jay]

Nah dude Man Emperor of Mankind is always right and does not perpetuate cycles of violence and ignorance dont worry about it

[ebon jewel]

just the normative unconscious racism

[fossil pollen]

Yeah wether it comes from ignorance or malice it’s still racism

[patent cargo]

Eh, fair enough. I just figured that they're so far out of good media literacy that they cannot read the room on how Kronik is a villain no matter what you make of the Garou

[ebon jewel]

that doesnt require media literacy

[fossil pollen]

I haven’t met anyone personally who had the take that Kronik did nothing wrong or whatever but I can imagine the person who does and they share in some other proclivities

[graceful jay]

Ive seen it

Macro level

[patent cargo]

But yeah, that does require unconscious racism to not recognize the situation

So you're right

[fossil pollen]

Ngl that has to be disheartening and depressing, Jesus Christ

[graceful jay]

Oh some of it is very very conscious racism

The fan bases we truck in have sizable right wing reactionary contingents so its not surprising

[ebon jewel]

yea like. this is hunter lmao

[graceful jay]

WoD attracts a lot of racists due to having been pretty racist and all

Also yeah

[fossil pollen]

Hopefully one day it finds a clearer way to shed that contingent because they are exhausting

[graceful jay]

I mean i think 5th is doing a lot to make the game as unwelcome to racists as possible

But a lot of the changes get roped up into edition warring

[fossil pollen]

For sure, and it’s not like other games don’t have their groups of shitheads

I really wanna see how Mage 5 handles it, with its focus on authoritarianism and freedom

[graceful jay]

Mainly just gotta make the Hermetics less racist and the TU unplayable

[patent cargo]

Tbh the take I'm most baffled by is that young Fatigue "didn't do anything wrong" because he was just here to learn and have an adventure

Like, he came with some Not Great morals about the expedition. He is not automatically pure of heart by being a man of science, you do not automatically free yourself of all racism just by taking up the mantle of study. These kinds of expeditions in real life ended with outright theft and cultural misrepresentation.

[graceful jay]

Yeah its sorta just not understanding colonialism

Also straight up

Not a lot of people know Werewolf

It is infuriating to watch

Its just meme regurgitation

[patent cargo]

The fact that the expedition was mainly British should not be lost on anyone. You know. The nation infamous for having so many stolen cultural artifacts locked up in museums.

He was following his father's footsteps almost all the way, getting cold feet at the last second doesn't make you immune to criticism for the other 90%

[fossil pollen]

He even explicitly stated the artifacts can keep King Tut company, he’s pretty clearly also part of the problem

[patent cargo]

I'm at least trying my best looking things up without having to source like 20+ books for a TTRPG I don't think I can convince my friends to play, but I also have started to figure out how shaky some secondary sources can be, so I'm getting the feel for "wow I know absolutely nothing huh"

[graceful jay]

Yeah

Its insane the difference between letting someone tell you and reading it yourself

Also fun fact I can reveal

We showed off Matilda's tribe in her transformation sequence

Just literally no one caught it

Despite the camera zooming in on it

[patent cargo]

These days I don't think I can go around mass-pirating old sourcebooks like I did for Battletech TROs a decade ago, without catching some attention from my ISP

[fossil pollen]

Wait I thought Griffon was the red talon patron

[ebon jewel]

i dont think i jnow enough abt werewolf to get the hint

[patent cargo]

...Okay I checked both versions of the symbol, their patron spirit, and their patron spirit's symbol, and still can't see any-

wait is it supposed to look like a rearing gryphon, talons out?

[fossil pollen]

Oh the shadow okay

I was looking at the stuffed cheers

[graceful jay]

Yeah

[patent cargo]

please pardon my terrible outline skills

[graceful jay]

Also the animals its coming up from

[ebon jewel]

yea i think ppl (myself included) just chalked that up to

Fucked Up Spooky Shit

that has been a hallmark of htp

[graceful jay]

It was so cool and no one noticed and I was so frustrated!!!!

[ebon jewel]

admixed w minimal knowledge of werewolf as a game itself

[patent cargo]

cat, bird, uh..... fucked up demon elk of the cold north?

[graceful jay]

We spelled it out!!!!!!!

[fossil pollen]

I knew the shadow was important I just couldn’t figure out what, my initial thought was using a gift of some kind

[patent cargo]

do gryphons usually come with ungulates in the mix?

[graceful jay]

Ye sometimes

[fossil pollen]

I think WoD griffon has antlers or hooves, maybe that was the hint

I laser focused on the cat

[patent cargo]

ah

the knowledge, gatekept from me

....and my point above about knowing nothing is proven truer

that or all of my reference points for gryphons don't dip into ungulates.

[wicked surge]

... welp guess I need to get way more familiar with wta symbology because as someone who mainly has played vampire I did not recognize that

(someone show Kevin the meneleans 5 ritual it'd be funny)

[fossil pollen]

It is good symbolism, and I sympathize with someone ST adjacent being frustrated nobody noticed the detail, I’d be pissed too haha

[graceful jay]

Its also the fact everyone pulled Bone Gnawers from nowhere too

[fossil pollen]

Okay in my defense, I did not see a Red Talon being able to keep her cool long enough to hold a job

[wicked surge]

iirc I remember the rationale for that being the little locust swarm she uses to dissolve the wall?

iirc that's traditionally a bone gnawer power (I really need to look into wta more I'm not familiar enough to be comfortable)

[fossil pollen]

Calcify is in Moonlit Path and has a similar property, but different mechanic to go about it

[graceful jay]

Its Render Down

[fossil pollen]

Actually Voy how much advance notice did ya’ll get when scripting these bits on W5? Episode 4 came out before it released, yeah?

[graceful jay]

None!

[fossil pollen]

Hell of a called shot, then

[graceful jay]

Some rewrites happened for ep5 but thats because ep5's first draft final fight scene was like

20 minutes long

[fossil pollen]

Oh God

No the shorter one is better, really shows off just how quickly a fight with a Garou can escalate and just how outgunned they seemed to be

(And also a Garou in Crinos for that long is uh not gonna keep their cool long enough to extract without a Frenzy)

[patent cargo]

i would just figure Ep 4 relied on so little edition-specific information when it came to writing matilda.

[graceful jay]

Correct

[patent cargo]

Her actions in the Chapter House were veiled until Ep5 and are still fairly veiled even afterwards, so there's a lot of wiggle room in there

[wicked surge]

I wanna see the rest of her pack so baaaad tbh, esp if a glass walker is involved

imagine if he and Marcus bond over being annoyed tf2 hasn't come out yet

[green geyser]

https://www.tumblr.com/nostalgiachan/797184524545048576/i-was-burdened-with-glorious-purpose?source=share

Nost's Boxed Whine

I was burdened with glorious purpose.

-# #my art #hunter the parenting #hunter: the parenting #htp kronik fatigue #on Friday someone on Reddit commented that Kronik looked like “a fusion dance of the Monopoly guy and Spamton” #and the need to realize this has plagued me ever since #I now pass this plague to you dear viewer

Tumblr · Oct 12, 2025, 7:33 AM

[compact copper]

Jesus Christ

[frail citrus]

Hey [[Little Prince]] don't you want to say [[goodnight moon]] to those [[Removed for Violating Terms of Service]]?

[graceful jay]

It's also really sad to see someone get something right and get blasted for it

https://www.reddit.com/r/huntertheparenting/comments/1o3n0qk/how_have_no_mention_this/

This guy got it!

Why he's getting downvoted!

[solemn lintel]

…huh

[frail citrus]

Man chronicles too?

[simple hill]

The hated Jesus because he spoke the truth

[compact copper]

Because the subreddit sucks and is always wrong?

[weak phoenix]

Yes

Like, for real, fan subreddits can either be hit or miss.

[green geyser]

More often the latter unfortunately

[weak phoenix]

Yeeeeep

[split raven]

wait Uratha were mentioned? i missed it

[graceful jay]

The camp with the pearls

[fathom kettle]

What's Uratha?

[split raven]

the CofD/nWoD name for Werewolves

equivalent to Garou

[fathom kettle]

Oh, are they a different culture?

[green geyser]

Different game line

[fathom kettle]

Ah.

[split raven]

they dont even exist in oWoD, normally

[green geyser]

HtP is OWoD iirc

[split raven]

i noted the sumerian script but didnt think HtP was actually pulling in nWoofs

wondering if that's like, actual Uratha, since they aren't mentioned by name from what i can see, or just a 'haha hey look its a reference to CofD'

[fathom kettle]

Also, I felt Big D was right about the wolves not operating with nuance when it came to Fatigue. But that's a broader issue with the Garou. They so often lose sight of other shit that matters.

They should not have sent a Talon.

[split raven]

tbf its entirely possible that Matilda was the best in the pack at stealth and deception

and also fitting in as a maid

all we know about her pack is there's a glass walker and someone called Stig, but whether or not they're the same person is unknown

[frail citrus]

Glasswalker is probably called... jambles was it?

"Just because you can, doesn't mean ya should!"

[wicked surge]

TBH idk if tribe matteres as much, Matilda being able to avoid being outed for months speaks to her talent. but I loved learning what we did because Fatigue's death is the tragedy of all Werewolf lore writ small. A seemingly senisble action, taken without proper research, resulting in death, destruction, and long term reprecussions that could have been avoided, and harming the Garou's long term goals.

But when you think of yourself as a soldier, you tend to solve every problem like one too.

[wicked surge]

... Also, question. If that branch of CoD is allowed... does this mean Prometheans are on the table?

Love those guys

[fathom kettle]

Fair, it also seemed like she only killed Fatigue the way she did because there was possibly a ghoul to blame it on. But didn't think past that.

But I feel like she doesn't really care about the human side of things. An issue that werewolves have had in the past. And it's something that extends not just to how they treat humans, but other Fera.

[wicked surge]

My personal suspicion is Fatigue was onto Matilda. Because his last dialogue pre death was "Now I don't want to alarm you..." and then next thing we hear from him is screaming.

I suspect Matilda heard him about to admit to his garou theory, and acted as fast as she could without thinking it through to silence him and it blew up in her face. Because even if there was suspicion of woof, the murder only made it worse.

We'll have to wait and see how she acts when not "under cover" to see her attitudes and hopefully get some answers from the horses mouth.

Also yeah Garou not caring for human civilians is how the garou keep losing.

[fathom kettle]

We kinda got a bit of a confirmation towards her having anti-human sentiments. And I can believe Fatigue had some idea. ||He's probably worked with Werewolves while in the Nails.||

Would the Beast Courts be in the Philippines?

[patent cargo]

…huh.

okay. three different sources for the HtP special lore blend. good to know, good to know.

…so how dense is the lore disclaimer going to become by episode 6?

[weak phoenix]

That depends

You want a side of wraith with a double double of changeling?

[graceful jay]

We've already used chronicles lore before

In a few spots

[patent cargo]

I'm guessing not very well noticed spots

Considering like half of the fandom seems to purely quote 20th lore in their theories and nothing else

[weak phoenix]

Because a lot of those people either only played 20th

Or they are people entirely outside of WOD/OWOD.

[patent cargo]

Which makes my assumption that the CofD lore goes unnoticed sound like a fairly reasonable one?

[solemn lintel]

Oh my gosh

Fascinating okay

[patent cargo]

I'm not that aware of CofD (I at least knew enough about WtF to notice something was up with the lunar worship and sumerian, but figured they were another red herring like the vampires the expedition found traces of) so I'm probably not gonna get anywhere myself, scouring previous videos lmao

[simple hill]

Do you think the coalition armory lockers just has a stockpile of shotguns with silver ammo as standard gear

What are the odds of some garg-o’s middle managers replacing silver bullets that Pentex bought for the coalition with lead ones and pocketing the difference

Would True Faith interfere with Technocratic Magic

Because we kinda assumed that the Prussian space marine guy was wearing technocratic power armor

But we are also told he used True Faith to stun the werewolf

[wicked surge]

IIRC some of that was in the Ghoul log right?
Though, iirc a lot of that also kinda got rolled into v5 iirc?

[wicked surge]

standard gear, no, but they absolutely ahve stockpiles if they think its justified

[wicked surge]

Not neccesarily; What True faith tends to do overall is make the wielder harder to influence via external supernatural forces before the highest levels enable offense - vampires may become innately suspicious to the user, resist being ghouled, , resist all mental disciplines, do the cross stun and actively make vampires repent, or at its highest levels outright disintegrate vampires by wlaking into the room.

Take a zealot like that and tell him this armor is a gift from god and god's allies, and I would argue it would work even better as his own insane zealotry powers the thing beyond its limits

[simple hill]

huh

wonder if these true faithful are actually just somehow semi-awakened mages

[wicked surge]

There is an argument to be made that's what it is

[simple hill]

or if they are somehow so insanely deep in the dream that they enforce their version of the dream on everyone else

[wicked surge]

Regardless, true faith generally doesn't interact with consensus too much IIRC, but if it did? It'd depend on the beliefs of the believer

Even a single dot of true faith is described as the kind of belief that over takes your life

[simple hill]

there are religious mages who are distinct from true faithful

[wicked surge]

Yeep

[simple hill]

it's quite bizarre tbh

[wicked surge]

Now add in the imbued

Which we know from the eye are absolutely around in at least some capacity

[split raven]

there is an in-universe theory that choristers(and theoretically the knights templar by extension) just have Advanced True Faith essentially, iirc

and by 'in-universe theory' i mean iirc one of the mage books says that if you want to you can run choristers as having True Faith 5 or something like that

[simple hill]

Neat

[split raven]

according to M20 it's the revised edition Tradition Book: Celestial Chorus, pg 63-65

[simple hill]

I can just imagine a mage chasing away a vampire with a cross

[split raven]

i mean, yeah, that is a very Chorister thing to do

likely while singing a hymn as well, but not necessarily

[graceful jay]

Im personally not a huge fan of mages with true faith

It feels like their faith should just be an extension of their magick

[ionic cloud]

this is very specific

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments/1lvpvat/the_big_ds/

@graceful jay no idea if anyone over there likes shadowrun but eh, just for the sake of it

[wicked surge]

Agreed, the way true faith feels at least in Vampire is very in line with Marckus's type of "how the fuck did I do that" magic, where he's completely committed in the moment and that makes things go crazy

[split raven]

default assumption is that true faith and magic are different but both exist, and a rare few choristers might have both; magic is a matter of personal will, true faith is a matter of channeling something greater
other options given are:
they co-exist, but you can't have both in one person
true faith is awakened magic, and the faithful are just orphans with less flexibility
true faith doesnt exist
choristers actually use true faith, with some theurgists(holy sorcerers) backing them up

there's also some stuff about letting the faithful do stuff on the tier of Awakened magic, using rotes with a total dot requirement up to their True Faith rating, and some additional non-rote powers that are all essentially different flavors of hedge/static magic condensed into one merit

[ancient crescent]

The debate is over whether you can get a blender for 99p

[weak phoenix]

And you can

[ionic cloud]

its that or wheter metahumans count as just regular humans or if D should delete all of them

[weak phoenix]

Not really?

[ionic cloud]

big d was the one that set up Dunkelzahns death

[weak phoenix]

D, in a one of the traditional splats, would be considered to be a Mercy Hunter:

I.E. No problems with the supernatural unless they prey on people.

[ancient crescent]

If Kevin is any indication, D wouldn't even have a problem with HMHVV infected as long as they weren't actively killing people.

[gusty urchin]

hmhvv?

[slow bay]

Vampire-ish infection in Shadowrun

It's a type of mutation that makes people more ghoul or vampire like

Among other tyoes

[wicked surge]

^
It makes anything infected with it feed on flesh to survive.
Elves, Humans, Trolls, orks... you get Hmmv, your ability to sruvive gets... complicated

[ionic cloud]

I dont think it is that complicated when the universe also has stuff like "Racism Table" in their NPC creator

[wicked surge]

... I meant surviving ethcially

in universe a lot of the HMHVV struggle with finding a food supply that doesn't turn them into a serial killer

vampire style

[simple hill]

Are there government programs or smth

[simple hill]

I remember fondly the poor clerk who got infected with vampirism in shadowrun Hong Kong

And immediately decided she was gonna be the vampire queen of Hong Kong

If you let her live she actually does become a powerful vampire lady and comes back to help you later

[slow bay]

yeah she's great

[frail citrus]

"Wait i have no clue what i'm doing!"

"What"

"Listen when you got fangs you gotta improvise!"

i let her live, i appreciate people leveling with me like that

[simple hill]

She was self conscious about becoming an undead blood drinking monster so invented a whole LARP persona to overshadow it

[simple hill]

What are the odds of Amanda surviving the next year as a new huntress

Bless her heart she has a good and uncompromising heart

I wonder if she will be an Imbued

[fathom kettle]

I think the hunter data being destroyed is probably a blessing.

[simple hill]

i mean she wouldn't have been on that data in the first place

she was a janitor

janitor with shockingly large enough willpower to fight off delirium and start blasting at a werewolf with a pistol

[fathom kettle]

I more so mean it attracted a ghoul and a werewolf. It being destroyed clears a target off the mages' back.

[weak phoenix]

No, but she probably would still be on there due to association.