compared to mage
#Hunter the Parenting Pit
unique ermine
ancient crescent
He knows enough to both name-drop 'Tremere' and know why name-dropping Tremere is a bad idea
patent cargo
which is why I figure he's just too goddamn old and well travelled over, say, infodumping assisting force, yeah
unique ermine
he’s old enough to know shit even regular tremere don’t know
simple hill
He knows about how Tremere became a vampire lineage
unique ermine
He knows about how Tremere became a vampire lineage
yeah that’s crazy knowledge to know
simple hill
he namedrops a freaking antediluvian
ancient crescent
He knows about how Tremere became a vampire lineage
when was this?
unique ermine
like who the fuck other than elder vampires are gonna know that
simple hill
when was this?
probing of Kevin
simple hill
he mentions that he knows how Tremere diablerized Saulot
and stole his powers
much to Kevin's befuddlement
patent cargo
which is wild
if he did it probably wasn't a straightforward fight.
unique ermine
oh absolutely, and he had his father and his brothers
simple hill
but yeah its bizarre
how much shit he knows
most hunters only specialize in like... one supernatural?
patent cargo
more likely a setup to minimize their strengths and reduce immediate casualties.
simple hill
but he has beyond expert level knowledge on all of them
unique ermine
yeah he’s definitely not a regular person, you just can’t get that kind of depth and breadth of information by the age of what, 60
not as a normal person anyhow
simple hill
knowledge that basically would mark him for death by every supernatural conspiracy that exists in the world
unique ermine
yeah knowledge is power, especially when the supernatural has bans and banes
simple hill
it's not just the volume of knowledge, he knows accurate information
unique ermine
oh absolutely yeah
lot of misinformation
makes the whole kue-jin thing even funnier
patent cargo
simply not canon™️
simple hill
it's just really bizarre
that's the greatest mystery I guess
how does he know all of this
like even if he's an unaging person
patent cargo
being in the right place at the wrong time
simple hill
vampires also live for a long time but most vampires still probably don't know about mages
unique ermine
yeah i imagine even most elder vampires aren’t gonna have that much knowledge
simple hill
or the Technocracy
patent cargo
thinking he had assistance telling him important places to be?
unique ermine
or just told knowledge, or how to find it
simple hill
I mean I guess it's possible Big D's family is just the equivalent of Belmonts
unique ermine
i still think he’s an immortal but Horse would explain it
simple hill
who just has a Library of lore in some hidden base somewhere
a lot of his knowledge do seem to be old general lore and historical oddities after all
not the modern stuff
unique ermine
ok my running theory that i’ll stick with because i need sleep is big D is a marginally above baseline immortal who has:
a. accumulated knowledge by just being around for ages
b. gained knowledge from whatever horse is
patent cargo
I mean I guess it's possible Big D's family is just the equivalent of Belmonts
which raises the question of who D's parents are, where they are, and why they haven't decided to get included in this mess yet if they're big name hunters.
unique ermine
i suspect big D’s parents are long dead
simple hill
maybe cause... they are dead....?
patent cargo
fair enough
simple hill
Big D does seem like he spent most of his life on the run from the various conspiracies
patent cargo
on a side note his multitude of knowledge also further reduces the chance that basically anyone in the primary group is supernatural, besides like, maybe Marcus, who he is clearly concerned about just a bit.
simple hill
yeah I don't think any of the family except marcus are supernatural
okay maybe the Boy is
but I don't know what Boy is
patent cargo
Boy is Boy
simple hill
it's unnatural that fellah
he's too healthy for a kid raised on an all carnivorous diet
patent cargo
I can't even start the Boy audiolog due to secondhand embarrassment but is there, like, any further hints Boy has something unusual going on in it
simple hill
yeah
he namedrops angels
and says they tell him shit
actually accurate information too from the looks of things
patent cargo
fascinating.
simple hill
could mean anything
might be an Imbued Hunter thing
a Celestial Choir awakened mage
(Celestial Choir I guess would match his original from TTS but meh)
patent cargo
eh
I find TTS mirroring theories to be
eh
Like funny haha inconsequential TTS reference is chuckle worthy, like how ||Marcus has a funny eye thing going on right before having a bad run-in with a wolf, in a manner||
but when people are like, ||"MARCUS IS 100% GONNA MEET A LOST CHILD OF BIG D WHO IS A WEREWOLF AND WILL BE LEMAN RUSS TTS IS THE PROPHECY"|| my eyes just glaze over and I foam at the mouth
though, if it wasn't for the fact that the Get of Fenris are functionally unusable in WtA5e IIRC, ||Marcus meeting a unrelated Get of Fenris|| would be pretty funny, though, but again, inconsequential reference in the grand scheme of things over "TTS reality mirror"
simple hill
eh
I find TTS mirroring theories to be
*eh*
Like funny haha inconsequential T...
yeah it's why I was like meh
Boy is still very weird in notable ways
but it's hard to tell if it means anything or if it's from all the drugs he keeps using
simple hill
though, if it wasn't for the fact that the Get of Fenris are functionally unusab...
I do wonder if Marcus will end up corrupted in some way though
that man is way too eager to inject weird magical shit directly into his organs
patent cargo
He would inject unlabeled vials of glowing green goop if someone told him it would give him fancy powers
If you handed that man a bag of vampire vitae and enough cocaine to awaken mage powers through sheer high, and told him to pick one, he'd mix them together and eat it like candy
Big D is absolutely terrified of telling him about cool supernatural powers and he's completely in the right
compact copper
I can't even start the Boy audiolog due to secondhand embarrassment but is there...
Specifically he mentions that he heard the name of the chariot of god in his dreams
Though he also begins to freak out about horse in the end of that audiolog
So it’s pretty fair to say that horse has been affecting his dreams
Since horse seems to be something that can divine knowledge
patent cargo
You know, does Big D even know how to ride a horse
simple hill
I would be surprised if he cannot
compact copper
Horse riding is probably part of his son’s education
unique ermine
it’s funnier if he doesn’t
surreal crown
He wants to ride horses but he's too proud to admit he doesn't know how
compact copper
Oh, something that was pointed out in Reddit
||The cameras in the pub were glitchy and fucked up making it so Matilda wasn’t seen murdering Fatigue, and the cameras in the security room were similarly gone. As well we only see Grimal sitting, and we never see Matilda. So it’s possible some werewolf ability is how the cameras were messed up and Matilda is the one who did it, not Grimal||
||the difference between the cleanly destroyed footage and the glitchy fucked up footage is probably due to her being in her war form and affected by her rage when she killed Fatigue||
simple hill
||The cameras in the pub were glitchy and fucked up making it so Matilda wasn’t ...
||Ragabashes can disrupt electronics in the area||
compact copper
||Ragabashes are the trickster esc Garou right?||
compact copper
||are they also the ones who can steal other supernatural powers?||
simple hill
Yes
simple hill
They also have the power of ||telling the most outrageous lies and having them accepted as truths for a few moments||
compact copper
Oddly enough ||Thats one thing Matilda rarely did||
||she didn’t actually lie much in her interview||
||she just left out details, like her being a fucking werewolf||
simple hill
They can also tell|| the most straightforward truth and have it accepted as false funnily enough||
compact copper
Huh
simple hill
If a ||Ragabash tells you that the sky is blue you wouldn’t believe her and believe that some magic or conspiracy had been hiding the true color of the sky your whole life||
compact copper
||ok to be fair that’s actually quite possibly true in WOD||
||Mages and the technocracy have fucked up reality fierce||
simple hill
But yeah the way to use this power would be
“No, that girl isn’t my compatriot. We basically never spoke.”
“Hah, I don’t believe you! Arrest her!”
compact copper
A ragabash who’s completely uninterested in the whole fighting the weaver and wyrm thing and just wants to fuck with people
patent cargo
||the difference between the cleanly destroyed footage and the glitchy fucked up...
I'd more assume ||the security room camera was manually sabotaged on entry , and Brok's words are "not responding" i.e. not functioning to even record.||
Also keep in mind ||rules-wise, garou can learn gifts outside of their usual selections, just at a hefty XP cost and I think the Storyteller has the right to ask just how you got the spirit or teacher to agree. However I would expect that to be kept to a minimum in HtP to avoid confusion.||
rose rock
I'm sure there's still some exceptions, like episode 2-3
which it makes sense because ||that diablerie juice||
patent cargo
On ||Thieving Talons of the Magpie, it's pretty goddamn high renown/rank in either versions, the garou must have witnessed the ability being used (they cannot assume the target has the ability), and it has a pretty short time window you can only extend at a heavy cost.||
rose rock
||she didn’t actually lie much in her interview||
I mean, it was actually working pretty good as a strategy until ||she pulled out the smokes to light up||
patent cargo
My personal assumption is that ||Matilda and her pack are not that high end on the werewolf power scale. If they were a pack of 3-4 renown 8+ garou then I think their mission would have looked very different.||
rose rock
have we discounted the possibility of ||entirely mundane filching of the smokes and the hunter data?||
patent cargo
||No, I personally don't think so, and also I don't think another supernatural method of acquiring has been discounted.||
||assuming there is still a ghoul (and either Grimaline is the ghoul or was dominated) she could have been in too much of a haze or shame from the loss of control to relent against a werewolf with too many dots in the socials.
…Oddly, Grimal isn't high in either the camera footage or Matilda's testimony, only in her own. Huh.||
fossil pollen
Camera is in black and white though, and doesn’t have a ton of detail
Gonna need to wait for a follow up audio log or something to do more speculation at this point but I’m definitely thinking that the ghoul || is still around and this was happenstance ||
simple hill
My opinion is that ||Ghoul is probably around but wasn’t involved in tonight’s events||
rose rock
I have a pipe dream of ||the ghoul having been absent from the chapterhouse that night|| but it just doesn't fit with the information we have
unless my WoD lore is bad and ||werewolf blood also has a telling reaction to solar sorcery||
radiant drum
||Knowing Ogre Poppenang the obvious joke of the ghoul just missing all this shit might just be the answer, cause it's funny.||
rose rock
unfortunately it wouldn't make much sense with ||Occam being interrupted during the blood test||
patent cargo
Very true. ||A werewolf would not have needed to avoid a blood test. Especially if it was going to be performed through solar sorcery. While it could have just been an attack at the right time to grab the hunter data, every single cup was knocked over, if I remember correctly, which is much more violent thrashing than Occam recalls, and is more obviously an attempt to disrupt the test as much as possible.||
unique ermine
the ||ghoul might also be long gone, the regent seems fairly disconnected ||
compact copper
Has Kitten ever actually fired his flintlock?
bright aurora
hmm...
unique ermine
Has Kitten ever actually fired his flintlock?
yeah, in the first episode at least
compact copper
Ah I must’ve forgot that then
compact copper
Man I’m rewatching episode 3 and it’s
So funny how dumb Markus is
He did not need to jump out that window
At all
He simply choose, of his free will, to jump out a two story window
unique ermine
He simply choose, of his free will, to jump out a two story window
did you see his face at all when he did it
nary a thought in his brain
graceful jay
Did anyone catch the reference when he falls out of the vent
compact copper
I still think the ghoul is the guy in the Reliant Robin
fossil pollen
I swore up and down that it was Occam and he was faking it originally but the lads brought up the point of the solar sorcery and that theory is kind of torpedo’d
simple hill
Yeah since ghouls can’t use solar sorcery Occam is beyond suspicion
Matilda ironically enough is also cleared for being a ghoul because lol lmao
rose rock
I wonder if it's possible the ghoul is Fatigue despite everything
unique ermine
nah i don’t think so, he aged regularly and we can see that from the luau photos
i’d say remold and brok aren’t in the picture either
spit, git, harry, elise, grimal and waters are the main suspects imo
although i’m also of the opinion waters is also probably not due to aging that we can see
ancient crescent
Did anyone catch the reference when he falls out of the vent
What, the 'recreating Office Complex?' 😛
compact copper
So like, do we have any idea of who the blue man is?
Besides a strange embodiment of capitalism?
weary plazaBOT
Probably a Wyrm tainted Weaver spirit of some sort
rose rock
weaver's the maintenance one right?
weary plazaBOT
Wever is the one that went mad and tried to bind the wyrm driving ti to want to reset the multiverse
rose rock
so the maintenance one
I don't think blue dude is wyrm-tainted, just a hardliner who's the reason the wyrm was imprisoned and so became the apocalyptic force it is today
weary plazaBOT
The area he is in is wyrm tainted enough that he would have to be. like urban decay of anykind is a form of wyrm taint
The fact that the 99p store is woned by a vampire (who are from the point of view of werefolfs servents of the wyrm) and the area it's in is enough for it to be wyrm tainted
I wish the emoji list would stop switching things around
rose rock
urban decay and vampires read as more "weaver things the wyrm has crept into" to me than straight-up wyrm things
weary plazaBOT
And i said wyrm tainted wever sperit at first right?
rose rock
fair nuff
simple hill
Would a Princess be able to take on a Garou
weary plazaBOT
Princess the Hopefull is from CoD wich is a fundimentaly difeirnt universe
simple hill
accursed
weary plazaBOT
???
But in general when it comse to stand up fights a wearwolf can murder most PC partys with out much trubble
heady pine
honestly, ||the Arcanum is extremely lucky everything went down the way it did - if Matilda had just done things "the other way", before Big D and co. arrived, she would have slaughtered the entire chapter house without issue||
simple hill
yeah
||mathilda could have killed everyone but seems like she chose not to||
||I like that Kitten is still overconfident about his odds against a werewolf though||
ancient crescent
But in general when it comse to stand up fights *a* wearwolf can murder most PC ...
That's Rule One of the classic Two Werewolf Rules.
Rule Two is 'there is rarely only ever one Werewolf'
simple hill
feels like "hunters are overconfident about their chances against a werewolf" is also a pretty common trope
speaking of
how does a hunter even acquire silver bullets in this day and age
actually
weary plazaBOT
It's hard for Mortals in the most expanded defanition the setting has to have an acurate view of werewolfs due to the delirum.
simple hill
kitten's got a flintlock he can just melt down silverware for the bullets
short cradle
Still use bonafide silver in their forks in 2006?
bright aurora
how does a hunter even acquire silver bullets in this day and age
hand-loaded shotgun shells, a crucible, etc.
simple hill
yeah there's this official Hunter Reckoning text game set in ireland
bright aurora
you can get a homemade jewelry kit and some silver stock
simple hill
the Coalition or the Vatican or whatever sends a hunter into the area haunted by a werewolf
apparently very experienced huntress in ending supernatural threats
yeah she dies literally a day into her mission
bright aurora
then you just melt the silver, after that I guess you could make a shot tower or a mold or whatever
weary plazaBOT
Yep that sounds about right. the weakest nerd gets enough power to throw around motorcycles when tehy go full warform
simple hill
would a munitions bench even be available
...
well the arcanum's literally got an armory I suppose they must have something
and me, a college dropout, managed to get it to back off by shooting a gas can when it was standing next to it
which annoyed it enough to back off
to be fair to that huntress I think she was there to hunt changelings and not werewolves
weary plazaBOT
They probaly do, but they seemd to be more focused on dealing wiht vampires
simple hill
i mean they had a lycanthrope expert
weary plazaBOT
Changelings are a lot easyer to deal wiht
simple hill
so presumably they have some stockpile of silver weapons
and Big D's got whatever dagger he's got
(how many knives does that man carry in his booty jorts)
short cradle
at least 4
simple hill
Actually what’s the logistics of werewolves going through first change
Do random people just turn into werewolves overnight and get adopted into a pack
graceful jay
Generally you start to show signs beforehand
compact copper
I thought people were born werewolves from werewolves?
bright aurora
not as of W5
compact copper
ah ok
graceful jay
People are "born" werewolves in as far as people can tell that you're destined to be one from birth and nothing can "make you" Garou
compact copper
ah huh
patent cargo
Do random people just turn into werewolves overnight and get adopted into a pack
unless W5 heavily changed their logistics or I'm heavily wrong, I think the usual operation, if you're lucky, is some local garou (hopefully) notice your impending wolf-out, start tracking your movement, and run you out of town so you don't create one of those inconvenient murder charges on first change.
if you're unlucky, this doesn't happen, and fun things happen to people nearby. presumably this then raises enough attention for someone to take a look and figure out if you're a garou, or just a normal everyday murderer.
patent cargo
I presume it involves a lot of breaking some terrified and/or confused new garou out of jail
weak phoenix
Yes
fossil pollen
There is a section on pack types (using a system that is mostly a reflavored v5 Vampire coterie mechanic for Werewolf) that talks about Kinseeker packs that goes into some detail about it
fossil pollen
I think Kinseekers usually use Rites and such things to locate people close to First Change, and then try to lead them away and trigger it with the pack to minimize damage and casualties
it uh doesn't always go smoothly, even then
patent cargo
with copious amounts of violence probably.
listen, warrant of arrests due to being broken out of jail in a confusing, destructive, and mysteriously unrecorded event don't matter when you live off the grid anyways.
weak phoenix
Very true
patent cargo
Like, you got those small xenophobic towns out in the big empty plains and forests of the U.S. don't take kindly to cops, strangers, and Federal Census letters, and if you live in a small self-sufficient cabin far from civilization, nobody is finding you in decent time without good transport and way too much time on their hands.
...This is just WtA's exact explanation for where all the american werewolves live, isn't it. Unless you're bone gnawer or glass walker.
north crest
My opinion is that ||Ghoul is probably around but wasn’t involved in tonight’s e...
THATS WHAT IM SAYINNNNN
But noooo
When I say it I “don’t make any sense”
patent cargo
…You know, now knowing that kinfolk don't exist in W5, and knowing that HtP states multiple times they prefer 5th lore primarily, and knowing that the exceptions are generally things they approve of, and knowing at least one writer has voiced disapproval of kinfolk as a concept,
How the hell are there still so many "X is a kinfolk" theories?
Like, I guess it's a compellingly easy theory to make (well, less so now that ||delirium has been invoked on a broad spectrum of the cast||), given kinfolk were just humans with some invisible bonuses, there wasn't really a lot you could do to disprove it besides placing a werecreature in front of them.
In comparison Kin and full on fera are just a harder equation to work with, the first is a ticking werecreature time bomb that really should have set off on pick-a-trauma, and the second typically don't run un-inducted into a greater supernatural purpose for long.
Or is not knowing that W5 has very broad sweeping retcons just that common
prisma adder
Generally speaking old guard WoD fans seem to detest 5e with a passion
Sometimes justifiably, sometimes just because change bad
I imagine that's just a head in the sand going lalalalala moment
Like they know about the retcons and dislike them so they'll pretend 5th just doesn't exist and move on whenever talking about the show
simple hill
ofc change is bad
patent cargo
Yeah it seems to be a fun mix of "this is actually not a very good change, or would have been good but was done poorly" and "change must die, hate change"
Like, why does W5 appear to have a mechanic whose only purpose is to "kill" player characters by forcing a personality shift unsuitable for further play? But on the other hand, I think the shift forward in the usual timeframe for the First Change is a good one, by moving it out of teenage "I'm not like the other boys" angst range and into the "just started my X year of college and girl, ✨I am having a mental breakdown✨" range.
But I see the parts that don't seem like good changes and consider them an opportunity to see what Ogre does with them, because, like, the opening disclaimer is getting longer and longer in establishing that they can and will homebrew their own lore for HtP, and like 50% of TTS was basically an exercise in dealing with the Edition Lore Wars that 40k had, so they're no stranger to picking and choosing.
rose rock
on the whole, wod 5e is about par for the course as far as being a wod edition goes
patent cargo
No edition in any TTRPG line happens without incident
You can't even throw out a helpful rules tweak without some fucker telling you that the original rule being shit is "part of the experience"
ancient crescent
Like V5 has some weird changes, but overall it's...Alright? I guess? I am 100% not a fan of some of the lore changes, but actually really love some of the others. So. Eh.
W5, as is probably completely unsurprising to anybody who's seen me in this or the WoD channel, I have almost nothing but acrimony for.
So, so far, so edition change, I guess.
patent cargo
I have vaguely heard… Things about how well the writing of said edition went, but that's certainly not a topic for this channel.
In either case it doesn't seem like HtP's writing team is going to make much of an exception for kinfolk, so,
ancient crescent
I'm honestly not a fan of the "X is Kinfolk/random supernatural type!" theories.
IMO having that be the case would just cheapen the whole thing
patent cargo
Like I said, Kinfolk as a concept are basically the safest, most boring "is secretly a supernatural" pick because there could be literally no consequences to it or other ramifications.
And actual werecreature, whether active or unknowing, is honestly just too much of a stretch for the main cast at this point
I still like figuring out what ||kitten's deal is|| even if the chance of it meaning anything isn't all that high, though, but that's really more theory-as-a-fun-toy than serious consideration
ancient crescent
I mean given certain horse-related stuff, I wouldn't be annoyed at Boy being revealed to be something or other
But like I remember there being a lot of like "OH, KITTEN IS A BASTET!" due to that one sight gag in ep. 3
weary plazaBOT
our rough read is that there is somthing up with Big D, like he knows liner magic like Occum. and yeah somthign i up wiht Boy
patent cargo
But like I remember there being a lot of like "OH, KITTEN IS A BASTET!" due to t...
It's not really a sight gag so much as it's a character gag
There's not a lot of visual pun going on, it's just funny because kitten is acting like a cat
The sight gag is the ears he's sewn into his jumper.
ancient crescent
Point still stands.
patent cargo
Yes.
It's like 90% chance the funniest red herring in the entire series, or so blatant it's not actually that funny.
if kitten ends up actually being bastet, I would hope it is used in the most fascinating and well written ways to make up for the lost joke
if he "just" ends up being a bastet and nothing really changes then that would be lame
but I don't think irreversible character-changing plot-bending ramifications are what a lot of theories tend to have in mind, just "man it would be so cool if X member of the Big D Crew was supernatural"
compact copper
But like I remember there being a lot of like "OH, KITTEN IS A BASTET!" due to t...
I think “Kitten is a Bastet” is maybe one of my least favorite “X member of the main cast is supernatural” theory
Like I don’t like the idea that Big D is a mummy, but like, at least I can see it
But Kitten would be so much lamer as a character if he was a supernatural
And in general it feels so, shitty
Like Kitten as a character is the most normal of the Big D family
And is in general opposed to their more extreme character traits
Most namely the recklessness at which they approach the supernatural
Kitten is an outside observer who wants to know more but fears for his safety and the safety of his loved ones if they go to deep to fast
Making it so he’s already supernatural ruins that whole idea because he is apparently in that world!
graceful jay
…You know, now knowing that kinfolk don't exist in W5, and knowing that HtP stat...
People still compare every single character to someone from 40k
People just are set in their ways
Also w5 having a morality mechanic that renders you unplayable if you fill it is like
compact copper
I’m still annoyed whenever people bring up 40K lore to predict what will happen
patent cargo
Oh yeah I hate the TTS Mirror theories too lmao
graceful jay
Everyone has it
compact copper
Like if Horse’s prophecies predict the Horus Heresy
graceful jay
Humanity, Quiet, Wisdom, Harmony, the person to your left trying to get you to commit suicide
Etc etc
compact copper
Oh yeah I hate the TTS Mirror theories too lmao
When episode 5 came out and Markus got the eye I saw people actually saying “He’s gonna find Tzeentch (or an equivalent)”
patent cargo
And people trying to be theorize ||"oh marcus is 100% gonna meet a secret lost child of D who will be a werewolf because Leman Russ"||
compact copper
That stuff is so annoying
patent cargo
Everyone has it
Acknowledged and I will rescind my statement on it being out of place.
graceful jay
Also like
Statistically
It's almost impossible to die from it unless you try
The odds of you rolling it to death are something like 1 in 500k
And that's if you never use any of the ways to lower it
patent cargo
In either case I would find the bastet thing forgivable of a potential (if, stressingly, highly unlikely at this point) outcome if he somehow narrowly avoided first change until now and the consequences are milked for all the worthwhile and well-written drama and horror. Kitten having some understandably angry questions for the remaining family he hasn't seen in months would alone be worth the Funny Joke loss. The hell that is wondering if he'll lose Marcus and the rest of the D family because of it. That terminal 'reality ensues' shit.
If it just ends up as "friendly bastet joins the team yay" then I ain't a fan.
weak phoenix
I really want to see how the Three Brother's are going to be.
So many are gonna expect JoJo. I'm expecting grizzled hunters who just drink on the job and smite fools with hammers.
patent cargo
(Also similar deal for the Marcus the Mage theory. It's gotta leave a mark on the plot and who he inevitably becomes. If having upmost power doesn't result in slowly forgetting who he is and how to ever connect again with the people he knows, then I don't wanna hear about it.)
compact copper
Marcus being a mage is the only character is supernatural theory I like
Primarily because it actually feels like it’s having build up
And like, yah it’ll absolutely make drama when the guy who wants to know everything and is extremely reckless with that knowledge becomes a reality warper
weak phoenix
D definitely gonna punch him in the face if he does something drastic.
patent cargo
So many are gonna expect JoJo. I'm expecting grizzled hunters who just drink on ...
I'm expecting some visual reference gags but very different in personality and purpose. "referential appearance, doesn't act the same" seems to be the thing with characters meant to draw similarities to TTS.
weak phoenix
Yep
Like Kevin is obviously Malc.
But what if Malc was an overworked accountant who just wants to fucking relax instead of fighting for life daily.
patent cargo
so you go "haha, I get it, that's a funny reference to X from TTS" and then the they have their own impact on the plot without any of the burden of copying TTS's characterization into another different lore entirely.
compact copper
I’m gonna be honest other then Kevin knowing sorcery and being an ally to Big D I don’t see him as a Malcador reference
weak phoenix
Be funny if the Custodes are coalition hunters.
compact copper
His wizard outfit doesn’t even look like Malcador
patent cargo
And like, yah it’ll absolutely make drama when the guy who wants to know everyth...
I want Ogre to break my goddamn heart with it hurting his relationship with Kitten
Shatter my emotions into pieces you wonderful writers
It ain't a world of darkness for nothing
weak phoenix
The sun cat needs to get hurt again. Emotionally.
patent cargo
There are consequences to being diplomatic, truth-seeking, and reasonable.
usually like.
failing to solve the most important problems of them all in the end
which would seem about right
patent cargo
On that note, I do think Kitten is probably just too much of a bundle of fascination to avoid bastet allegations, no matter how unlikely.
His parents and extended family were murdered. He narrowly a supernatural encounter both before and after Edwin Davies. His remaining extended family is vaguely weird. His immediate family had a cat fascination. He has an undisclosed tattoo. We've never seen him outside of his jumper. We still don't know his actual name (and at this point I'm willing to consider his parents just didn't write anything down on his birth certificate). He ||tanked delirium surprisingly well, if he even suffered it at all||.
He was already on the border of something supernatural going on, the conceptual equivalent of a vague shape in the dark you can't quite make out. Is there anything actually there? Is what you see just the first thing that came to mind? Are even seeing the whole thing? Goddamn conspiracy board goldmine. I love it.
rose rock
I'm expecting some visual reference gags but very different in personality and p...
I'm thinking more "referential appearance and broad strokes of personality (Markus is a smug know-it-all who thinks he's the smartest in the room, Kitten is the anchor of the group that keeps everything remotely in line, Door is Door) but they're still different characters in a different story in all the ways that really count"
patent cargo
That's fair, they do have reference parts to their personalities personalities but even when acting the same, the situations they encounter just lead to different results.
(Which doubles my annoyance at TTS Mirror theories because basically the same character in basically the same situation, is basically the same story I've already watched before.)
rose rock
where it is a TTS Mirror, it's a funhouse mirror, like Grimal being literally Kitten's weeaboo ex-girlfriend like the memes about Shadowsun being TTS-verse Kitten's weeaboo ex-girlfriend, but she's not an alien who doesn't believe in melee (in fact Grimal ain't even from a different earth country, she's just as british as Kitten, and she's done more melee than Kitten despite having half the screen time)
patent cargo
Grimal is also subject to sea creature nickname jokes, akin to the jokes about Tau and fish, but Grimal's are usually not fish.
rose rock
oh right the sea cucumber thing
eh, I'm not gonna count that, besides it's kind of beside my point which is that they're starting from the basic concepts of the characters in TTS and running in a completely different direction with them in HTP
graceful jay
Grimal literally never once was intended as a Shadowsun expy I will say
That was coincidental
rose rock
I have the utmost confidence that the only intentional reference is that she's Kitten's weeaboo ex-girlfriend
everything beyond that is people ODing on red string photoboards
graceful jay
Enyo :c
compact copper
Also I gotta say I think it’s very funny that of the probably many ghouls the regent has, she decided to favor the one who works at a 99P store over all her others
She had one who was a detective in the police force and he was completely ignored for months
patent cargo
Grimal literally never once was intended as a Shadowsun expy I will say
well that just makes it funnier tbh
completely on accident and all resemblance is just pattern matching lmao
patent cargo
sometimes the madness is simply that
simple hill
Also I gotta say I think it’s very funny that of the probably many ghouls the re...
I mean the 99p store one is the one who works at her chantry
compact copper
Oh yah, and the hole
simple hill
She had one who was a detective in the police force and he was completely ignore...
To be fair said detective works at a police station which employs three people, two of which are his bosses
One of them is another ghoul isn’t he?
waxen ice
completely on accident and all resemblance is just pattern matching lmao
The greatest tool in a writer's arsenal: "Yeah, I totally meant to do that"
compact copper
Rn my thought is Remold or Door
Big D has shown far to much mercy to supernatural beings to qualify
Remold and Door are both shown as unmerciful towards the supernatural, but with Door he’s not really a patriarch, he’s a dad but Big D is clearly the head of the family
While Remold is solidly the head of his own family
ionic cloud
mmmm
actually
could the "for not mercy he has given" be for fatigue? no I doubt it now tht i said it outloud
patent cargo
The greatest tool in a writer's arsenal: *"Yeah, I totally meant to do that"*
I think this is less "I totally meant to do that" and more "I think the fanbase is rabidly insane, please send help"
compact copper
could the "for not mercy he has given" be for fatigue? no I doubt it now tht i s...
Is he a patriarch though?
I don’t think they ever mention him having kids or anything
And Occam is the leader of this chapter house
ionic cloud
the patriarch thing is either door or remold unless someone is introduced that also fits when the coalition comes over
compact copper
I don’t really get the thought Matilda didn’t care about the hunter data
Like the first thing she did after transforming is going for it
And the first thing she did when it was destroyed was run away
short cradle
Y'know I've been wondering:
Does Guy Chapman know Big D isn't Big Vamp and just doesn't care much bout it
weak phoenix
Yeah, he probably doesn't at all.
rose rock
Guy just wants his fix
weak phoenix
Because Big D pretty much got Chapman to join through Kevin reinforcing the blood bond.
Still technically slavery.
short cradle
Like I figured D ain't keeping that cover up forever
weak phoenix
Nope
Big D: I am not vampi-
Chapman: Don't care.
Big D: I...You have no reservations about basically betraying the Camarilla?
Chapman: Look, Malcom, I'm gonna level with you. I have been without the bond for months. For months. I really don't give a shit where I get the blood now.
rose rock
as noted, Guy just wants his fix
weak phoenix
And be able to carry his kids into their 30's.
On one hand, blood addicted Ghoul who has admitted on record to killing before.
Other hand, devoted father.
Yeah, that's a good catch.
short cradle
He also did hit coke that one time and barely got a rush
rose rock
that's how every deal with the devil is, innit? you hop on thinking it'll get you an inoffensive if not outright good want (being there for the kids) and then the devil drags you to hell (kill no less than 3 people, one of them with your teeth)
weak phoenix
That's the hard knocks of being a father sometimes.
You would do anything
Even if it damns yourself
And, in this case, literally.
Because Ghoul's don't have a soul anymore IIRC.
compact copper
Like I figured D ain't keeping that cover up forever
He pretty explicitly said he lied about everything in the end of the audio log
I’m sure Chapman knows he just got tricked by some Hunters
He just doesn’t care
simple hill
I don’t really get the thought Matilda didn’t care about the hunter data
Somehow the argument is that she, an insane theocrat berserker, is addicted to smokes enough that she will prioritize it over escape or murder
I have no idea
compact copper
It genuinely makes no sense
Like if she was smoking to calm the nerves (actually pretty likely because it was a full moon), she can just get new smokes after she’s done murdering everyone in the building
There’s no reason to prioritize grabbing them if she wasn’t after the hunter data for some reason
rose rock
I think her apparent lack of caring about the hunter data as the fight progresses can be chalked up to Werewolf Rage™
compact copper
I mean that’s probably more because it was destroyed
It being mentioned in the subtitles is proof enough of that
rose rock
that too
blew up the data so she decides to leave, but gets MAD when the hunters keep shooting at her
ionic cloud
gusty urchin
Could ||matilda|| have been ghouled?
simple hill
Could ||matilda|| have been ghouled?
possible but extremely unlikely
fossil pollen
Possible by Storyteller Fiat and if that was the case it be the reveal of an entire chronicle in WoD
gusty urchin
@graceful jay jsyk, an audio error's cropped up in the new HTP ep
When ||matilda|| steps back to use devouring swarm, you can still hear big d grunting like he's mid fight
graceful jay
Ye we know
gusty urchin
Ok
surreal crown
The Grunt Cut
compact copper
I really hope Big D is just a guy
fluid prism
the Biggest Guy
compact copper
Big ass Turkish wall of muscle
rose rock
the most I'm willing to accept is old-rules Imbued Hunter, which is still like 75% Just a Guy
patent cargo
Tbh every time I read a version of the theory, Mummy feels less like a good explanation and more like the few people who know it, let alone actually played it, are desperate to get people to know it even exists by any means necessary
Essentially "X is my favorite splat c:" theory but with extra desperation
compact copper
Now this is just getting absurd
bright aurora
That’s a joke cmon now
fossil pollen
I think people have thought he was an Angel of some kind since the Horse episode when ‘Elohim’ was mentioned in the prophecy Horse gave to Boy but it’s still a stretch
simple hill
All jokers will be executed when it comes time for the great bloodletting
I do wonder what Boy's relationship with
angels is like
graceful jay
catholic
simple hill
is he catholic?
compact copper
That’s a joke cmon now
I know I just thought it’d be funny to post
graceful jay
Boythlic
compact copper
Sorry if it came off as mean
simple hill
or is he just hallucinating angels
and talking horses
due to his all meat diet
and all the hallucinogenics
bright aurora
No the horse definitely talked that was real actually
compact copper
I do 100% believe Horse actually did talk
simple hill
nah this is clearly a situation like one of them coming of age horror stories where the children all get scared because of random non-real nonsense and adults dismiss them rightly so /s
maybe its a vampire horse
can horses become vampire
compact copper
I think the answer lore wise is no but I think they could if they wanted to
simple hill
can a vampire become a horse
actually answer to that one is probably a yes
with sufficient vicissitude and protean I'm sure anything's possible
hrm
actually can VTM vampires shapeshift into animals
I don't actually remmeber if they can
compact copper
I think they can at least very accurately approximate them
bright aurora
Protean I’m pretty sure can do something for this
simple hill
and if horse is a vampire i'm sure that can explain how it can vomit up blood
patent cargo
and if horse is a vampire i'm sure that can explain how it can vomit up blood
IRL horses are such nightmare poorly constructed creatures that blood being the only thing they can vomit up wouldn't phase me
patent cargo
it's impossible for them to vomit outright, IIRC
I'm just saying, they look like a creature that should be able to vomit blood on command.
graceful jay
Why what happened
weak phoenix
I think 83 is just overwhelmed by all the twists.
compact copper
Why what happened
Idk I heard Matilda was a little rude to Spit
junior reef
I think 83 is just overwhelmed by all the twists.
i absolutely am, yes
weak phoenix
Yeah, it's a lot.
ionic cloud
So I have seen this guy and he posted a video about his theorieshttps://youtu.be/1mfjiiMNnvY
but then he opens up the video with this
||too few tbh||
rose rock
society at large simply is not ready to view women as attractive in that way
patent cargo
||too few tbh||
||Probably because it's the wrong website to go looking for werewolf art lmao||
||Actually nevermind I just checked, only 6 results
Guess HtP is too relatively obscure for the furry fandom to work fast||
rose rock
I'm sticking to my ||society is not ready for shirtless female werewolves|| theory because it's funnier to say
ionic cloud
anyway yeah some of the theories seem to be the truth
like ||D being a mummy||
Its either him triggering ||true faith||, something along the lines of ||imbued|| or a ||mummy||
actually that should be spoiled
patent cargo
I'm sticking to my ||society is not ready for shirtless female werewolves|| theo...
I think ||her lack of boobs in cirnos is probably slowing down interest
A sacrifice was made for the sake of sanity||
graceful jay
I think it's to the point you guys don't gotta spoiler ep5 stuff anymore
patent cargo
fair enough
weak phoenix
We have been freed from spoiler jail.
So, you know how there was that still of what presumably are Leopold hunters from How much do hunters know?.
You think they're gonna be the ones sent to the chapter house?
compact copper
Also who do we think that green haired girl from the second beach photo?
I’m betting Elise’s sister
short cradle
tis her second cousin
north crest
wait
wait wait wait
||have we discussed what tribe Matilda is from?||
cuz ||we were trying to pick up her auspice from her powers without inferring that they could be from a tribe and not auspice, her butterflies could be the bone-gnawer's Termite thingie||
weak phoenix
Yeah, that's been discussed
And we also don't need to spoil anymore
the embargo is over
north crest
Isn’t her name ||Mathilda||
its Matlida, actually
weak phoenix
im assuming we decided on Bone Gnawer?
That's the majority, yeah.
ionic cloud
mostly because her magic is a tier 3
she can still not be a bone gnawer
but considering how she actually went stealth, how this tribe is one of the few that are actually willing to engage with humanity in a non violent way and the magic, it is kind of safe to call her one of them
or a rogue garou that just so happens to know the spell
simple hill
Who else are willing to engage with humanity non violently
Glass walker?
Children of Gaia?
ionic cloud
even the guy in the video mentioned the glass walkers yeah
north crest
I dunno if glasswalker works
ionic cloud
he also pointed out when the voice called her to get out with markus
there was a little spider
simple hill
he also pointed out when the voice called her to get out with markus
I mean she could be working with a glass walker instead of being a glass walker
Glass walkers use weaver spirits right
weary plazaBOT
Most werewolfs get asstiance from wever sperits, but GWs are the most commonly work wiht them
fossil pollen
Bone Gnawer fits the best as a tactics thing and it being a solo mission with backup implies she is probably also a ragabash
ancient crescent
I live in Spain without the A
...that really doesn't work without the auto-loop
deft urchin
Speen!
simple hill
I knew it!
radiant drum
patent cargo
Wheel-Turning Lad
compact copper
The potential Big D was referring to
patent cargo
So this did remind me to find the ogrepoppengangleaksofficial tumblr and thus found the post on Kitten's character sheet being more "semi-canon", with videos as the final precedent as to what is canon.
Given how long ago the sheet was made, I'll figure the ever-popular bastet theory's chance drops from "incredibly, highly unlikely" to "basically zero" unless he talks about his grandma's favorite childhood story in an audiolog or something, as I don't recall much to suggest he still has the world's weirdest cat-loving family, and things like the story of how he met Grimal seem to have changed.
Though it could also be a misleading post, because my best guess at the vibe here is "unhelpfully answering the most desperate questions about what is going to happen next, because it's way, way funnier to answer questions about staff opinions on anime"
Canon is made of silly putty I guess
ionic cloud
as fate does it in its own setting
jokes are the deepest lore
"Lets talk about the moon"
bright aurora
let's not
patent cargo
jokes are the deepest lore
I mean, I also get the whole semi-canon thing completely. Sometimes I just write things more to get the vibe written out and less to establish what canonically happened. There's a place where canon is set, and if it contradicts some secondary piece I wrote years ago then I'm not too hung up about it.
Given the character sheets in general weren't supposed to be exact canon, I'm certainly not going to be mad if Ogre decides they're not beholden to them in any way.
ionic cloud
we still arent sure if the chars are Hunter 20th edition or 5V yet, right?
patent cargo
*Markus bought 4,443 plushies of his father*
Dear god
Better hope the D family gets a good resale price on the excess…
patent cargo
we still arent sure if the chars are Hunter 20th edition or 5V yet, right?
The canon (as per the increasingly long disclaimer) is generally 5th edition-based with a hefty dash of "I do what I want this is my show".
The only character sheet known is Kitten's, and his is a HtR5 sheet. The rest might exist in various states (it's certainly not clear from the post) but weren't released as they seem to have been more for story prototyping.
ionic cloud
and also the little tidbits of imbued
or how markus might have become imbued, losing the magic
patent cargo
and also the little tidbits of imbued
Again, "I do what I want this is my show"
is it even a possibility that the eye imbued him? the change in eye shape barely lasted a scene. and a single power does not imbued make.
It is certainly related to the imbued. But I don't think he got the imbued introduction rundown from the thing.
simple hill
It might just be an Artifact Edge
Which can theoretically be used by anyone who meets the condition I think?
patent cargo
Presumably created with 100% organic Imbued eye.
graceful jay
20th would still be regular humans btw
Reckoning never got a 20th edition since it was very unpopular
patent cargo
Was that because playing the monster has way more draw to it than a human hopped up on hero powers, or some other reason
Actually wait that sounded too accusatory.
The imbued are interesting, but I can see how people might have wanted to try their hand at more regular humans fighting the world of darkness
Assistance from the great unknown kind of undercuts the underdog feeling.
patent cargo
…Huh, Hunters Hunted was released before Hunter: the Reckoning.
I can see how that could have been a curveball, yeah.
graceful jay
Yeah
People didn't like the Imbued when they came out
Because it wasn't really a Hunter game
Like they wanted
Then everyone who was around for that memory holed that no one liked them and then wondered why Reckoning 5 wasn't about them
patent cargo
It is perhaps unsurprising how Hunter the Vigil came to be
Given how much of Chronicles of Darkness feels like the RPG equivalent of someone's fix-fic for WoD
warped portal
Y'know, I can see that
I only got into WoD during the Chronicles era, and it really grew on me
Through discovering Demon the Descent definitely pushed me
patent cargo
Presumably created with 100% organic Imbued eye.
Hmm, actually, on second thought, this probably couldn't be an imbued's eye. Even in their own canon they only started appearing in 1999, and Fatigue's history with it implies the oculus empyrean being older than like, 6-7 years. That also would imply that it can't really be an imbued artifact to begin unless the timeframe was really, really shifted back… If imbued even existed in HtP.
There's no doubt it uses imbued symbols, but now I think whatever it is, it's not something pre-5th Reckoning could tell us about.
Consequences of trying to use WoD canon to theorize about a show that welds its own together I guess
rose rock
I think it would be extremely funny for the ancient cursed artifact to be from 1999
so entirely plausible
patent cargo
Obviously it was created when I was born that year, due to being the most important person ever.
Don't ask how they would have gotten it from the U.S. lmao
simple hill
Hmm, actually, on second thought, this probably couldn't be an imbued's eye. Eve...
maybe it's some kind of angelic artifact?
and so uses the same symbology as the imbued
patent cargo
depends on if the messengers were angels in HtP. They... Might not be? If they even exist.
fossil pollen
I think I’m the only one who got into Hunter the Reckoning from the Xbox game lmao
I remember not liking the Vigil because it felt like it had less stuff? It had better vibes for sure
Oh I posted this in the wrong WoD channel oops
ionic cloud
arent angels just Demons?
simple hill
Demons are former angels afaik
simple hill
No one knows what happened to other angels I think in modern times?
weak phoenix
Angels are Angels
ionic cloud
even in the old testament that is supposed to be, just fallen angels
simple hill
demon with high penitence/regret resemble their divine image right
ionic cloud
also I dont have it clear what is the deal over there due to how god basically left or became a machine?
or whatever the fuck is going on there
simple hill
Maybe god lost a contested roll against a mage idk
bright aurora
Always was a machine
simple hill
This world was always an orange
Behold the power of retconjuration
The tenth sphere of magic
patent cargo
also I dont have it clear what is the deal over there due to how god basically l...
in CofD God is an incomprehensible machination or some shit, the God Machine
in WoD God is the man on high of christian fame and Gone
and in HtP chances are not good that DtF's christianity assertion is canon so shrug
heady pine
The God Machine is cool as hell
patent cargo
it's one of those bizarre CofD bits that I originally did not like the first time I read about it like, years ago
now I think it's actually decently cool idea and one that still leaves a lot of theological answers unanswered by sidestepping the issue with an unrelated entity
graceful jay
Well no, in CofD God mighht also exist
Cuz like
the Devil is definitely real
but just Every Religion is basically right
instead of just Abarhamism
patent cargo
...every time I think I know what's going on in this goddamn tar pit of lore
rose rock
WoD is quite clown car-like in that way
graceful jay
The God-Machine is not YAWEH
Quite literally is never implied once to be so
The GM is as allegorical for God as like
Moby Dick
patent cargo
but just Every Religion is basically right
I find the path of "all religions are true" to be my favorite solution to multi-faith lorewriting (because I use it)
not in the "well there's compromises" way, no
every religion is fully and uncompromisingly correct even when that would horrendously clash in logic, ask no questions about how it all works
even science is true just to make sure absolutely no part of reality is left without questions about how the hell multiple creation myths work together
i hate the concept of undermining a religion's truthfullness when I'm creating one, it makes me feel awful
it also means I can play each one out wholeheartedly within its own context
graceful jay
I like the idea that every religion is true but it's probably just like
not As Big as people say it is
patent cargo
it's a logic mess for sure
graceful jay
"God is probably not omnipotent"
patent cargo
something must give when you're bashing multiple real or fictional religions together, and I chose to undermine logic itself
patent cargo
The God-Machine is not YAWEH
also yeah this is true
it's more in the category of eldritch horror
patent cargo
I have summed up enough bravery to actually watch Boy Story.
Akira's sword has the chibi wings with the spirals in them.
I am instantly dead from the excessively personal recall, 10/10
warped portal
also yeah this is true
it's more in the category of eldritch horror
There's a reason DtD is called techno-gnosticism
And the Integrator demon faction has a significant number that believes that gnosticism is true, that the G-M does not preclude the existence of God
compact copper
surreal crown
I think I've solved the mystery of the D
D is ||Enki-D-u||
green geyser
Enki D You is a One Piece character
patent cargo
https://www.reddit.com/r/huntertheparenting/s/ufGiZnXMvg
It's fascinating to watch the subreddit go crazy ten times faster than this channel
Then again I'm not on whatever HtP discord exists so maybe I haven't seen true madness yet
compact copper
It's fascinating to watch the subreddit go crazy ten times faster than this chan...
The theories they’re suggesting in that subreddit are genuinely mad
patent cargo
it's like reading the titanfall 2 subreddit, you accrue Insanity just watching it
patent cargo
there's also a lot of people in the running around clarifying rules and lore from the splatbooks but it's not always clear who is actually reading from WoD 5th and who half-remembers two editions ago, because citing sources is for nerds
at the very least I know that everything I've learned on my own, barring literal book excerpts that float around on wikis, is completely unfounded and second-hand
tis a problem only solved by actually getting a copy of these damn things
compact copper
there's also a lot of people in the running around clarifying rules and lore fro...
I gotta say it’s taking all my will to not tell everyone who brings up if they’re under the effects of delirium to tell if they’re a ghoul or not that we have word from the writers in this very Chatroom that it doesn’t matter
And ghouls are still affected by delirium
rose rock
Ghouls do not get that much power
patent cargo
or people citing Thieving Talons of the Magpie as proof Matilda did everything, ignoring the Renown (5th)/Rank (20th) requirement line and thinking about if sending a legendary elder garou would have resolved very differently
rose rock
Thieving Talons of the Magpie as proof Matilda Did everything?
patent cargo
e.g. stealing dominate from the ghoul (or vampire that is not actually there and was theoretical) to control Grimal
rose rock
ah so it's basically Spellsteal from Rubick Dota
that'd still, like, require a ghoul to be there to steal the spell from
and still wouldn't explain the blood test interruption because that wouldn't detect a werewolf infiltrator anyway
patent cargo
yeah, but again, you need to be at the end of renown to even pick it. pre-5th WtA allows you to pick sideways to other gift lists at an XP cost, but you cannot pick up to higher rank powers, spirits explicitly do not do that for obvious balance reasons, but also thematically because you are too unproven for such a powerful gift
rose rock
and thus Matilda probably wouldn't bother with interrupting it
patent cargo
also that
rose rock
all signs point to Matilda being unrelated to the blood test interruption
patent cargo
yeah
it's basically a "I read this insanely powerful gift and theorized ahead of the other evidence" theory
also people repeating kinfolk theories even though chances are really good that HtP follows W5 and does not have them.
which, to be fair, I had to look it up to even know they stopped existing, so that's forgivable
rose rock
all signs point to Matilda being unrelated to the blood test interruption
*except for capitalizing on the disarray afterward to do the thing she actually did do
compact copper
The subreddit is weird tbh
waxen ice
As they tend to be
patent cargo
Way too many people and yet too few people all trying to outmeme each other in a time deficient of fresh references
They overconsumed the good jokes weeks ago
chilly seal
Do you think Kevin has to wear this when hear Boy?
gusty urchin
split raven
premiering now
weak phoenix
Columbo dimension expands
frail citrus
i love that thumbnail
green geyser
so any lore developments? Had to stop watching like a third of the way through
I do like wht I saw though
warped portal
Oh god, what did Door and Boy do to the O'Tolley's
green geyser
be american
weak phoenix
they probably got attacked by demon burgers
Also, Chapman and Kevin.
They have become the Sam Burke and Twitch of Parenting.
Kevin is Burke
Chapman is Twitch
warped portal
||PLANE JUMPSCARE||
radiant drum
||Oh no this is Pentex bullshit.||
weak phoenix
||Yep||
||It also is funny that Kevin and Chapman got bailed by the Regent indirectly.||
radiant drum
||Ross is absolutely a Black Spiral Dancer, ain't no way he isn't||
weak phoenix
||Yep||
short cradle
huh you weren't kidding, chapman is a freak
compact copper
Oh shit
I didn’t even realize there was a new audio log yet
||Chapman is a FUCKING FREAK||
weak phoenix
Who was that mutant guy anyhow
||A Fomori||
patent cargo
Mmmm, fresh horrors from beyond the veil
compact copper
Audio log watched
||Yah this is Pentex bullshit||
||It could be syndicate, maybe, but like, nah it’s Pentex||
||The only thing that leans towards Syndicate was the weird phone possession but everything else leans towards Pentex||
||especially since if we’re entering a werewolf focused arc, it’d make perfect sense to have the werewolf villains show up||
||Plus like, it’s not impossible the man in the suit was both Pentex aligned and from the technocracy||
||They do have some overlap||
patent cargo
||yeah we got time to get sidetracked by straight up Mage lore overload in HtP later, just a dash as the perception of the family expands seems logical||
compact copper
||Yah, and like, while obviously the technocracy do their true magic in a very different way, a phone that can replicate dominate could have all sorts of explanations that don’t rely on the technocracy||
patent cargo
||it could also be just thematic.||
split raven
||could be Technephandi||
also, ||Nastrum, the company the plane was branded for and that Biggins and Palmer are stated to be part of, is a Pentex subsidiary||
compact copper
Yah, ||and the guy in the suit described it as an internal affair||
||Its likely a runaway or traitor||
||And Ross is almost certainly a black spiral dancer||
patent cargo
Now of course the big question is
||What is Ross exactly and what is he doing with them
Because he might not necessarily be a werewolf, even if that would be funny for the lolTTS bit.||
compact copper
||Nah I think Kevin’s comments at the end kinda say it. His remarks on how even if he could handle everyone else Ross would tear them to shreds||
patent cargo
||fair enough.||
split raven
||dont know if Kevin knows about werewolves, he could just be saying 'yeah that dude is fucking shredded', but also, imo he's too hairy and big to just be human||
compact copper
||Obviously there’s a lot of stuff in WOD that can kill a vampire and his ghoul, but the fact Kevin could just tell without even seeing him do anything kinda implies he could tell from the affects of being near a werewolf||
patent cargo
||ain't he a bit un-horrible looking for a black spiral dancer though? kinda lacks the awful mutations and black fur. Or are those not mandatory?||
compact copper
||dont know if Kevin knows about werewolves, he could just be saying 'yeah that ...
||Vampires know about werewolves, they’re ancient enemies. Kevin was high enough in the Camarilla and sabbat they’d at least tell him that||
compact copper
||ain't he a bit un-horrible looking for a black spiral dancer though? kinda lac...
I think ||that’s in their war form, which we never see||
||I don’t even think he transformed at all with his clothes unripped. Just beat that strange man to death with his bare hands||
split raven
||not necessarily. many vamps can go hundreds of years without ever encountering a garou. 
||
||that said, yeah, being a childe of the regent, Kevin was probably given at least vague info on some other splats||
patent cargo
||IIRC vampires know about garou but their info is super scuffed||
compact copper
||Yah they don’t know details mostly but I feel like they’re at least aware of each others existence and that they’re threats to them||
||Especially since the regent seemed to actually tell Kevin stuff||
patent cargo
||like, doesn't Big D knows more truthful things about garou than vampires typically do||
compact copper
Probably
||But they don’t need to know their clans structure to know “giant wolf men hate us and will kill us if given the chance”||
patent cargo
Yep
compact copper
||which for vampires is all they really care about||
ancient crescent
||ain't he a bit un-horrible looking for a black spiral dancer though? kinda lac...
They're not entirely mandatory, but they also tend to show up mostly in Non-human forms
Like this is the BSD on Pentex's board of directors.
weak phoenix
Yep
Also, that woman loves her job.
Great energy for any position
It's just she's with Pentex.
patent cargo
She loves her job and the sixteen tons of drugs in her bloodstream
Majority stimulants by weight
deft urchin
||Oh lol didn't even notice the rocket launcher behind her back||
radiant drum
Majority stimulants by weight
Big "blood is a chemical hazard not a bio hazard at this point" vibes
patent cargo
bringing back the "more cocaine than man" jokes at this rate
perfect garou deterrent. if your blood contacts skin they're gonna get fucked up
compact copper
Also ||finding out that Chapman became a ghoul with his drink being spiked kinda tells a lot why the regent doesn’t really give a shit about him or possibly most of her ghouls||
||she didn’t even actively create them, she effectively ghouled them passively||
||she didn’t even care enough to do a bit of kidnapping and brainwashing||
patent cargo
||she didn’t even actively create them, she effectively ghouled them passively||
||doesn't that kind of carelessness create a lot of liability for her? if you don't keep track of them and upkeep maintenance then now you've got a bunch of humans with masquerade knowledge running around with thorns in their side.
…as we've already seen with Chapman.
You know, I'm not sure the Camarilla would have wanted to work with her at all.||
split raven
||Becoming a ghoul doesn't grant one knowledge. If she just runs around ghouling people at random then there's just a bunch of people who are a little stronger/faster/tougher than usual probably, and have a weird inability to stop thinking about the pretty magic lady||
compact copper
||Yah, especially since this is a tremere it’d be inevitable they’re drawn to her again||
simple hill
Isn’t ||ghoulifying randos a massive masquerade violation||
warped portal
Isn’t ||ghoulifying randos a massive masquerade violation||
I don't think ||it was at random, it just wasn't as close as most ghoul relationships are||
deft urchin
||I mean, guy said he was drugged. He didn't say he was drugged with vamp blood it could've been a normal roofie and then he was ghouled in person||
waxen ice
||chapman you fucking freak||
river grail
||Is palmer a fucking nephandus???||
split raven
very possible
the visuals of his magic at least kind of lines up with how they've been portraying them in Norfolk Wizard Game
(not like a visual 1-to-1 match cause i dont think NWG has shown any Nephandi magic yet besides the giant flesh monster thingy, but with that and how they've been described it fits the flash of spooky darkness we saw when Palmer was doing stuff)
river grail
also nephandi magic is inherently entropic/destructive so palmer saying that he went easy to minimize the damage in chapman's brain lines up
the "my father talks to your father" could refer to pentex being in communication with one of the higher generations of kevin's vampire line/clan
river grail
oh
simple hill
I doubt Pentax corporate entity identifies itself as male
So he was just saying “our bosses are in cahoots with each other relax”
river grail
i see, i read that slightly more literally
like still talking about bosses but referring to two guys
bright aurora
He's speaking with a patriarchal idiom despite the Regent being a woman because Nephandi are pure evil and Pentex embodies everything wrong in society duh
simple hill
Yeah I’m just gonna assume he was being patriarchal
split raven
idk, he refers to the 'fathers' and the regent as if they're 2 different things iirc 
im thinking Palmer's 'father' might be either Pentex or the Wyrm, and Kevin's is either an elder Tremere(the regent or someone else) or Caine
i dont think he's referring to the Regent though, cause iirc he goes from 'my father talks to your father' straight to 'im on good terms with the Regent'
split raven
also idk where he got it but Qosmic claimed in his new video that
- Blair and co are stand-ins for the Dark Eldar
- Palmer is a stand-in for Vect
(also Ross is 100% the HtP version of Leman Russ)
ancient crescent
also idk where he got it but Qosmic claimed in his new video that
1. Blair and c...
I believe he got it from somewhere in his lower intestine.
patent cargo
also idk where he got it but Qosmic claimed in his new video that
1. Blair and c...
Has he just completely gone off the rails this time because he was right like, once
split raven
i mean, Blair being a DE isn't that far fetched with her attitude towards shooting and killing
idk enough about 40k to know if Palmer and Vect are all that similar
graceful jay
If we were gonna make an htp vect they'd be voiced by speaker I can guarantee that
patent cargo
I mean, debauchery isn't really that much of the same theme as the corruption of industry, tbh
On the surface level, you could make the comparison, on a more detailed level, not really. But surface level comparisons are kind of too easy, it's simple to bend into the comparison you want.
ancient crescent
idk enough about 40k to know if Palmer and Vect are all that similar
They're both corrupt and haughty. There is otherwise absolutely zero correlation in personality or mannerisms between Palmer and TTS Vect
Actual 40k Vect is the guy who's stayed on top of a society of backstabbing murder-happy sociopaths for 10,000 years by sheer magnificent bastardry.
To the point of once arranging his own murder, going through with it, and somehow coming back to life, all to figure out and destroy the chunk of Commoragh that was plotting against him.
In WoD terms he's not a Pentex exec
In WoD terms he's a politically-active Methuselah at the least
weak phoenix
"Oh my god."
"What?"
"Um, uh, um uh. T-there's an elder here."
"Okay?"
"A grand elder."
"Oh okay. Oh."
patent cargo
They're both corrupt and haughty. There is otherwise absolutely zero correlatio...
Palmer is… False-polite, in the "I am hiding my insincerity and apathy" way. Very calm. Seems to prefer having things on "good terms".
TTS Vect is polite for trolling purposes, jovial, and couldn't give two shits if a supposed "ally" turned up dead next morning.
They're not really comparable, yeah.
ancient crescent
Pretty much
patent cargo
Both are in a world of strings, Palmer likes pulling them, Vect likes cutting them. That's my view. Put it in the "overstretched TTS mirror theory" bucket
ancient crescent
Palmer is fake stapled-on boilerplate corporate polite
Vect is playing with his food.
patent cargo
It probably doesn't help that Vect as a character requires a really high power position to where you are untouchable from consequences. For the world to be a game, you have to be winning, first.
There aren't a lot of things that can reasonably kill nephandi or pentex management. But there are things.
ancient crescent
And Palmer definitely gives more of a 'middle management' vibe
He's not the guy who delegates somebody to deal with the plane, he's the guy who gets delegated.
bright aurora
Palmer is a low-mid level Drukhari in terms of position because HtP would be way out of scope showing Vect
patent cargo
Middle management, yeah.
He's someone I'm sure could get murked if he's not paying enough attention. $10 says he's dead at the end of the next arc.
patent cargo
Palmer is a low-mid level Drukhari in terms of position because HtP would be way...
No, not really. He lacks any kind of drukhari style.
bright aurora
More like they both have a shared ancestor in The Evil Genius from Time Bandits
STAND BY FOR MIND CONTROL
patent cargo
He's not hopped up on ten kinds of interdimensional ecstasy.
(for what it's worth, whatever Blair is on seems more like "rage" drugs, which is much more in line with what Pentex loves doing to humans)
bright aurora
Anyways I guess the point is that there’s a fair point in saying “this guy is a smarmy smug evil wizard archetype character”
“There was also one of those in TTS”
patent cargo
Yes, but that's a very broad archetype.
bright aurora
But it doesn’t mean the characters map 1:1
Because they don’t
They never did
Still don’t
Probably never will
mint nacelle
graceful jay
heheheeheheeh
surreal crown
Pyotr looks good and that's bad
prisma adder
I'm a shameless monster fucker
compact copper
@solemn lintel
solemn lintel
bites lip hey there…
Listen
Pyotr has always been my type
So I’m glad we’ve got good art of my favorite nasty boy
Like GOD DAMN that style
solemn lintel
He serves and rules
compact copper
Putting his whole pyotussy into it
solemn lintel
Don’t call it that
solemn lintel
Lmao
slow bay
Don’t call it that
does Pyotr have tboy swag Karen?
compact copper
But also yah genuinely he does look hot in that
solemn lintel
does Pyotr have tboy swag Karen?
I do not know
solemn lintel
But also yah genuinely he does look hot in that
I’m so glad you agree
slow bay
I do not know
we'll need to ask Deezy I guess
compact copper
I was never a Pyotr guy but turns out all he needed was a nice haircut and some better fitting clothes and I’m in
graceful jay
You will.
simple hill
Swole
Honestly he doesn’t get much from diablering his pack mates though doesn’t he
He’s the lowest generation vampire
slow bay
you get extra Vitae and maybe some Disciplines IIRC?
simple hill
Oh right
simple hill
I’m guessing it leads to humanity loss though
graceful jay
Correct0
split raven
Kevin did indeed become great and mighty
simple hill
Do diablerie really turn vamps that monstrous
graceful jay
Protean is involved
Protean + Dominate lets Ape Boy instantly learn Viss and get Horrid Form, ez pz
waxen ice
icnb diablerie turns him into christopher walken
surreal crown
Protean is involved
I reckon it's more than just protean
Ape Man's gotta be on VGV
Vampire Growth Ventricles
steel magnet
Aight going to continue peak today
fossil pollen
Godspeed
fossil pollen
Any word on the next episode or audio log is out?
Or I’d take more Norfolk Wizard Game too, just chomping at the bit here
surreal crown
graceful jay
Or I’d take more Norfolk Wizard Game too, just chomping at the bit here
The audio for NWG 3 has been released on patreon early
To make up for the video being delayed due to technical issues
fossil pollen
I listened to episode three of NWG and I gotta say
I was not expecting this to go the way it did
fossil pollen
I won’t look at Gatorade the same for a while I think
fossil pollen
Mage is truly the weirdest game line in WoD
solemn lintel
oh shit
maybe i should actually, y'know, watch norfolk wizard game at some point
mage stuff never quite as appealed to me but it all looks cool
frail citrus
They make it fun
I am comprehending at least
And Down the Rabbit hole man is playing a delightfully ambitious asshole.
patent cargo
I would certainly recommend it, it's a fairly relaxed play and it even kind of works as an introduction into Mage.
just remember:
Everything a mage says is their own propaganda.
frail citrus
Voy don't you work on this stuff
graceful jay
solemn lintel
its good work
frail citrus
"It's good food sir"
short cradle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMJtN9Nmdlk
Brew brew brew brew
split raven
yummy wyrm juice 
split raven
okay but where's the picture of odoroshi's yam wine
mint nacelle
The WHAT
split raven
end of the new video is just the players talking while SpeakerD takes his dog out for a walk, and Odoroshi was telling them about a bottle of yam wine she got at a Dallas farmer's market, where ig she asked "Are those yams in the wine?" and the dude said "You're yam right they are! And you're gonna buy some!" and apparently Yam Right is the name on the label, and according to her it's delicious
mint nacelle
yam wine
weak phoenix
If it can be fermented then it will be fermented.
split raven
i asked about the picture because the video ends off with her saying she was going to share a picture of it, but it wasnt shown for the audience 
mint nacelle
If it can be fermented then it will be fermented.
The Fermentor
radiant drum
Humans invented two foods first, bread and beer. We love to bake and we love to ferment.
short cradle
solemn lintel
He would
prisma adder
This is 100% something he'd do
fathom kettle
Oh!
deft urchin
Hello. Honestly I'm not sure why this is in the tabletop forum
weak phoenix
Because it covers VTM along with having a connected sister show through their Mage sessions.
fathom kettle
I feel it will envelop more of WoD eventually.
weak phoenix
Oh yeah, considering the Weres are involved.
We get to some Fae bullshit happen soon.
Or spirit bullshit
fathom kettle
I wonder if we'll get another campaign.
weak phoenix
Be funny if it's a Ghost campaign
I'm looking forward to the Fallout campaign when it comes out
wicked surge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMJtN9Nmdlk
I'm a week late to this, but
||I appreciate Earndil committing to making a character do crazy shit like drinking evil fish goo infused moss, after his long history of playing sane men like Reeb||
graceful jay
Someone edited a screenshot of me to say random theory bait
solemn lintel
Yeah that’s fucking wild
graceful jay
Funniest part of this whole thing is everyone asking who the hell i am
And also everyone responding thay im the va for boy
Thus proving our credits are as useful as a gif of a cymbal chimp
solemn lintel
HSDHAKSJD
YEAH I SAW
though i will say every time i read the credits im like "Oh voy! I know that guy!"
pointing at the screen "omg voy"
but yeah it was very funny to read in the comments
"Who the fuck is voy"
you are not a very public figure in their minds I suppose
graceful jay
I am not
frail citrus
Keep it that way :p
simple hill
me omw to spread MISINFORMATION
patent cargo
And also everyone responding thay im the va for boy
I think it's because it rhymes and people like stuff like that
patent cargo
Also I can't believe you got the Hakita/Toby Fox Fake Lore Drop bit transposed onto you, you don't even have the publicity for bit that to work
I want to look into the mind of the person who did this, I want to know what they thought would happen
simple hill
Voy the voice of boy
icy gulch
Finally caught up with the show after like six months of putting it off. It's good.
compact copper
Oh of course!
fathom kettle
God, I love Keven.
graceful jay
Lilesternus :c
icy gulch
Big-D's head is completely concealing the location of Cockthorpe.
solemn lintel
Someone has gotta explain “cognis mentis innit” to me
It’s just a thing some characters say and it…means something I’m certain
bright aurora
knowledge of the mind, or less informally, knowing someone knows something
that or it's a mishearing of "compos mentis"
slow bay
yeah compos mentis would be "of sound mind"
graceful jay
Cognis mentis innit
solemn lintel
cognis mentis innit...
frail citrus
Fierce Brosnand is the best monkey in TTRPGs
deft urchin
solemn lintel
QUEBOY?
icy gulch
Nightmarish.
simple hill
But would door apologize to the vampires as he commits what would be war crimes if they were humans upon them
simple hill
canadians apologize to the geese too sometimes but they are arguably worse threat to humanity
weak phoenix
God cursed Vampires because Cain committed the unforgivable sin of kinslaying.
Ya know, honestly, considering the War in Heaven.
gusty urchin
the first goose was also guilty of kinslaying /j
weak phoenix
Ya know, honestly, considering the War in Heaven.
God frowning on that immensely is justifiable.
weak phoenix
the first goose was also guilty of kinslaying /j
True
It's like Colonel Gathers said.
"When God crapped out the third caveman a conspiracy was hatched against him."
solemn lintel
God frowning on that immensely is justifiable.
after everything that happened yeah
weak phoenix
Oh yeah
solemn lintel
the invention of murder was a big escalation if you decide to bring in the whole heaven war
weak phoenix
I'm actually surprised that there hasn't been a lot of media that goes "Okay, yeah, so Father has been...Let's go with sad for a while because of what happened".
weak phoenix
the invention of murder was a big escalation if you decide to bring in the whole...
Yeah, because that basically was an "oh shit" moment on a cosmological scale.