"what if we just lost to the easiest fucking skills to beat in the universe and got Paralyzed"
#Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.
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tired canyon
ok so
keen palm
Im trying to do a 60 adversity run solo
tired canyon
i die turn 1 to the red coins and that triggers egg
on the second turn,i get him to furioso
then i use IRA to survive furioso's red coinbs
and die next turn
is there a way out of this
keen palm
Are you not able to dodge?
tired canyon
somehow he rolls a 30 when i try to dodge
stoic fjord
seeing as the new Ryoshu uses an unsheathed Arayashiki
I think she should be able to actually win against Lei Heng and not just get to the cutscene
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I have conceived of an idea most ingenious
The Middle can aurafarm on Ricardo while Bladeshu eats the 7th slot Nursefathers.
wait, fuck, why'd she just eat Kira
gentle mulch
peckish
worthy haven
its a good ego
gentle mulch
it's preddy good
Is there a reason why ringrodya just says Impasto every once and a while
glad fable
She does it when inflicting pallete vibrante apparently
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yeah
gentle mulch
I meant like
Is fauvism tied to that word in a specific way or
Does she just kinda like saying it
gentle mulch
Impasto...
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impasto is a painting technique
basically she's just chuckling to herself about throwing huge layers of paint over her foes
gentle mulch
Oh okay
but not necessarily like
"Fauvism has deep ties to the impasto painting technique dating back to xyz when Imely Pastor started work on Hunger and Thirst"
and more "Rodion likes doing this because she's honestly quite incredible"
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impasto is definitely a technique the irl Fauvists used in painting
gentle mulch
oh okay
and she is just smugly vocalizing to herself about how much paint she's throwing around
glad fable
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yeah she's basically going "heh heh, I used so much paint on that guy it's basically impasto"
because she absolutely slathered someone in debuffing paint
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and impasto is a technique of layering unusual amounts of thick paint to convey a layered, dimensional effect to the picture
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the Ricardo Mind Control passive where he makes you lose critical clashes by getting absolutely devious 5%s is really annoying
glad fable
Gotta wait for thumb duo
I don't think that helps with bloise, unless they somehow end up being tremor/burn/poise/bleed IDs
gentle mulch
yeah she's basically going "heh heh, I used so much paint on that guy it's basic...
just genuinely so silly
i love her
oh yeah also wasn't there a thing where the tied clash passive made it so no matter what the opponent won the clash
that they patched out last update
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Pmoon messed me up
Was thinking pokemon strats and thought of clashing before remembering pokemon doesn't have these
stoic fjord
can someone put new ryoshu ID in support
I wanna try her out in railway
nvm I refreshed and she showed up
odd
403 damage on a CRACKED UNBREAKABLE
WHAT
THIS ID ISN'T REAL
ANOTHER SKILL???
atomic steeple
HoS on some shit
stoic fjord
how nice of Ryoshu to wait until after they use their skill to slime them out
so considerate
the loving side of King Von
RYOSHU CALM DOWN
YUP
THE THEME IS MUGA
EIGHT HUNDRED DAMAGE
THIS IS SCARY 😭
Ricardo gotta be fucking shivering his timbers next week bro
vagrant dove
I see ppl are enjoying the new id
I'm waiting a week bc the walpurgis fund is rebuilding
stoic fjord
people were asking how Ryoshu could be worth it killing some of our strongest new IDs
PMoon answered very concisely by saying "1000 damage."
vagrant dove
I take it from the eight hundred damage that she's just cracked
stoic fjord
I take it from the eight hundred damage that she's just cracked
dude she does like 300 single target
and they gave that skill like 3 attack weight
and it concentrates damage like AEDD gregor
vagrant dove
What the fuck lmao, definitely sharding her when possible
I can only imagine what like
The outis canto ids will be like at this point
stoic fjord
dude she does like 300 single target
and they gave that skill like 3 attack wei...
I'm genuinely like almost certain she's the new highest DPR in the game
vagrant dove
Achilles id that genuinely just has On Hit: Kill the Target
stoic fjord
and she doesn't have to fuck up any status to do it
SHE'S SCARY
SCARY AS FUCK 😭
the king von memes are too real rn bro the sinners in backline gotta be horrified watching this shit 😭
EIGHT HUNDRED SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE
vagrant dove
The sinners in the back genuinely watching Ryoshu kill half the team
gentle mulch
she professed and confessed to being a slayer of heaven
she was that id bro
if she wanted you gone that was it
stoic fjord
envy pecca deadass sweating rn
gentle mulch
it's time to SLAY ALL
god ryoshu is such a personal character to me
i need this ID in my pockets RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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envy pecca deadass sweating rn
The heishou pecca and the NF pecca:
stoic fjord
if they make us fight new Ryoshu I will cry
ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DAMAGE WITH ONE S3
AND THIS IS JUST RAILWAY
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gentle mulch
if they make us fight new Ryoshu I will cry
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo no no no no no no no no no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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so close to finishing the Ricardo reflectrial
gentle mulch
THE NEW RAILWAY ENVY PECCAS ARE GOING TO HAVE THE CAPSTONE
AWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK
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I just need my Sinking team to pull through
gentle mulch
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
vagrant dove
if they make us fight new Ryoshu I will cry
Oh good lord
gentle mulch
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck ahhhh
vagrant dove
Me watching the envy peccas pull up with a nursefather team
gentle mulch
how do i even counter herrrr
vagrant dove
(I'm so fucking cooked)
stoic fjord
how do i even counter herrrr
keen palm
how do i even counter herrrr
The Humble Yearning Myrcella:
stoic fjord
meursault rolled all heads on the big 5 coiner
and still did like
half the damage she did
JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR
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https://youtu.be/1jA3AmTxU_U
Maid
So, considering the current middle event and kiramael being long out, we must be getting middle outis next
stoic fjord
you are not invited to the function anymore
What happened
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Reflectrial Hard
stoic fjord
So, considering the current middle event and kiramael being long out, we must be...
"Must be" is dangerous ground
stoic fjord
Reflectrial Hard
Mood
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I didn't want to just look up the strat so I tried improvising
atomic steeple
"Must be" is dangerous ground
It's my guess
stoic fjord
I'm sliming bro out with new Ryoshu as soon as possible
stoic fjord
Fr?
tired canyon
ok rien bring your ass here
i got 3 hours to burn and i am going to spend all of them trying to kill youi
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so
there's a strategy there for sure
but fucked if I know what it is
I tried fielding the Middle but with the two extra slots as bladeshu and nursefathers
with the concept being that new Nursefathers file in one by one to become Ryoshu snacks and then your actual last slot enters after they're all eaten
instead Ryoshu decided to eat Kiramael when it wasn't her turn, completely screwing the strategy up
I think there’s a deploy order one could put together that deploys Kira after you’ve eaten all your Nursefathers to make it work, since after gaining Red Thread, Bladeshu eats HoS allies 2 at a time
stoic fjord
sighhh... time to watch youtube videos of her and wistfully sigh waiting for the 21st
tired canyon
wait can i command seal the superbias
like can i just stop playing and wait a day for it to reload on the same fight
worthy haven
keen palm
I actually think you need 1 more HoS ID before you can refracterial Ryoshu
fickle crown
Nobody told Ryoshu that it was season 1 day
keen palm
Since I think the real strategy is middle 1st, HoS second with Ish being Captain
fickle crown
Also I think she can actually enter that state by herself?
If you mean her using her S3-2
stoic fjord
Nobody told Ryoshu that it was season 1 day
solo?
stoic fjord
I tried her in Railway and she's so fucking cool
fickle crown
She may actually be slightly worse than her apprentice minus the unopposed attacks lmao
stoic fjord
By herself
I figured, but I also have literally every HoS ID besides Pinky Sinclair
so like
oh also at UT4 level 60
it'd basically be like getting Hong Lord with like 7 of the 10 heishou already pulled
speaking of the heishou
is new ryo genuinely more broken than Maost?? because my gut feeling says yes 😭
keen palm
Ishmael doesn't really have any good IDs for Ryoshu
She has 2, Apprentice and Captain
fickle crown
Also Pinky Sinclair is a peak poise unit
tired canyon
like can i just stop playing and wait a day for it to reload on the same fight
can i get confirmation or
keen palm
Captain Ish is pretty good in a HoS team so far especially in a single part boss
fickle crown
She has 2, Apprentice and Captain
I mean in a solo run. Middle Ishmael provides nothing because Ryo has no envy skills and Captain is like... Meh in terms of passives
keen palm
Middle Ishmael offers a meat shield
fickle crown
Also PM too cowardly to just give us poison...
This is not the true dihui star experience
stoic fjord
Also PM too cowardly to just give us poison...
😔
stoic fjord
Middle Ishmael offers a meat shield
solo run
fickle crown
(yes she has poison, no I don't fucking know why)
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About the uptie story, comment I saw
||https://old.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1tcnsmx/hos_ryoshu_is_too_far_gone_to_receive_salvation/olq5j67/||
||It's kinda half-baked, but since emotions and time seem to have a clear connection from what I remember, I feel like they accidentally forced Ryoshu into entanglement by making her lose her place in her emotions the way one typically would being trapped in the time vault? They couldn't make her traditionally experience entanglement due to her exceptional sense of time, but keeping her trapped in there, making her doubt any and all love her family has given her and what little love she received was enough to throw her off the deep end till she became entangled. Or at least, that's the foundation of my assumption as to what happened to her. ||
keen palm
(yes she has poison, no I don't fucking know why)
Smoking kills
fickle crown
Poison is so weird because the only sinner to ever have it in any capacity is Ishmael
And it's technically poison but not
And it's her death maggot EGO
unique bane
yeah that one
fickle crown
Speaking of that
Still disappointed how we didn't get any of the Canto 3 abnos for EGOs
Gregor would totally rock whatever the snake one was
The unseen corrosion abnos I mean btw
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unique bane
keen palm
Still disappointed how we didn't get any of the Canto 3 abnos for EGOs
I mean hey
Next canto
fickle crown
Fair
bronze zephyr
welll! i cheated but i did it <3
cloud wadi
lol
Bladeshu really hates CallistoLu
for Riensang she just quotes his words back at him
with Callistolu she shouts "DO YOU HEAR IT? ALL OF MY LIFE SCREAMING TO WANT YOU DEAD!" as she kills him
fickle crown
Hong Lu confirmed to be just as awful as his forefathers
cloud wadi
i guess the cold blooded torture that callistolu apparently did to her had an effect
Rien apparently also was doing Ryoshu a favor
by refusing to read her the end of the stories
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yeah she freaks the fuck out
cloud wadi
because they are all variations of "and the protagonists angered god and was punished for it"
stoic fjord
by refusing to read her the end of the stories
I think he also deadass just chooses more kid-friendly stories from what i remember
Or
Wait no I'm stupid
It's the prescripts
Not Rien
cloud wadi
all the stories in that room are variations of stories that depict people being punished for their hubris against the gods
stoic fjord
Same books then
fickle crown
I think the other thing is that Callisto did genuinely traumatize Ryoshu repeatedly just by accident, the fact Callu decided to do it on purpose is even worse
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with Callistolu she shouts "DO YOU HEAR IT? ALL OF MY LIFE SCREAMING TO WANT YOU...
she's also mockingly repeating his S3 line right
tired canyon
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
cloud wadi
yeah I think so
stoic fjord
Okay so
...Rien genuinely exercised more control and care for Ryoshu than Index Nursefather Yi Sang
At least that's one way to interpret that
mortal garnet
should i do normal or hard mode MD when im out of weekly rewards?
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well, the main upshot seems to be that the sinner Nursefathers weren't just crueler or worse parents than the canon ones, but more importantly, this is what it took for them to be more successful
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should i do normal or hard mode MD when im out of weekly rewards?
Hard is faster thanks to more gifts
re: more successful
because the in the World of the House of Spiders timeline the Nursefathers succeed at creating the Hell Screen
they accomplish what Valencina, Rien, Matthias, Callisto and Shiomi Yoru collectively bungled, actually finishing the project
our sinners truly are the GOATs (please ignore that they committed atrocities in the name of finishing a horrible project of self-destruction)
worthy haven
look what being an even worse parent can accomplish /s
stoic fjord
well, the main upshot seems to be that the sinner Nursefathers weren't just crue...
I'm so fucking scared for Outis and Rodion
keen palm
Well I think the nursefathers in this mirror world arent the sinners actually
The art depicts the actual CGs of the real nursefathers
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nah that change was reverted
mortal garnet
I'm so fucking scared for Outis and Rodion
next id is heishou meursault, only next year we will see the nursefathers
keen palm
Oh did it?
stoic fjord
noted as an error
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she is in the same mirror world as the sinner nursefathers
stoic fjord
miscommunication within PMoon
keen palm
Damn lmao
stoic fjord
she is not separate
fickle crown
our sinners truly are the GOATs (please ignore that they committed atrocities in...
I think what makes it sting more is the fact it was for nothing. The fingers will continue to just fight over her and Riensang's plan for her to be an eraser for all of the fingers still ultimately falls through
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I mean, the second part doesn't
keen palm
They just send whatever they dont want to the house to die yeah
It is a successful landfill
fickle crown
Ahhh ok
stoic fjord
they also just
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it wasn't all for nothing, it's just that the goal is horrible
stoic fjord
threw an index messenger in for saying they got a prescript that says the index has claim over it
lmao
idk why that makes me laugh
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nah it's funny
stoic fjord
just the great sister of the middle going "fucking throw this guy in for that" and the rest just agreeing
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the index guy goes "uhh prescript" in front of a Get Rid Of That Guy machine with 4 other people who aren't gonna take that lying down
and instantly gets shoved in
keen palm
Index karmic debt being repaid for Runia
stoic fjord
the index guy goes "uhh prescript" in front of a Get Rid Of That Guy machine wit...
bro shoulda kept his mouth shut 
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I mean we don't know what kind of Messenger it was
stoic fjord
I thought he himself notified the others of the actual prescript though
so like
that too
my ass would NOT be reading that prescript bro
fickle crown
Dude had the beeper
Ngl I think the beeper is like a regional thing
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but sometimes you gotta read the situation and shut the FUCK up
stoic fjord
I'd wait until after I'm not standing right in front of the fucking "erases you from existence" machine
at the very least
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you know
mortal garnet
I'd wait until after I'm not standing right in front of the fucking "erases you ...
"erasing you, and only you"
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I feel like Demian would really rip into us for fielding Bladeshu
like bro ain't no way you wished for that
stoic fjord
"dude are you fucking deadass"
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ain't no fucking way you used the Mirror for that
mortal garnet
"why did you do that, dante"
"<happy burn season>"
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"I asked you to draw me a sheep, what the fuck is this big dog"
"<Things got out of hand>"
keen palm
I do like how this means we got the Nursefathers Who Cared Somewhat canonically
fickle crown
Tbh I don't think Dante is fully capable of wishing an ID into existence
fickle crown
I think the Fausts and Mephi are actually capable of exerting more influence tbh
Dante has partial influence but not enough for any predictable ID appearances
cloud wadi
Ngl
mortal garnet
imagine if canto 10 meur capstone is him distorted or corroded in some way
"what's your problem Dante"
trow 12 mangs at him*
cloud wadi
I don't think Dante is the one wishing the ids into existence
I think its an unknown third party
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trust the plAn
stoic fjord
I feel like it's either Limbus Company proper, or Mephi
keen palm
I think its an unknown third party
I think considering the upties are canonical knowledge Dante has, I struggle to think who else it could be
keen palm
More like Anus
mortal garnet
sorry guys its me
stoic fjord
I feel like Dante accessing ID info doesn't necessarily mean they're the ones wishing them into existence
mortal garnet
Lei Heng is Ayin!
lei heng is the secret new sinner, and when dante chains him, he will come back just like the prophecies foretold
stoic fjord
lei heng is the secret new sinner, and when dante chains him, he will come back ...
wrong, Ryoshu will summon Dulla-Heng like a stand in Canto 13
split beacon
idk who else Carmen would be telling all this nonsense to or who'd be using the Extraction engine anyways
stoic fjord
fair, yeah
mortal garnet
wrong, Ryoshu will summon Dulla-Heng like a stand in Canto 13
heath using his secret wild hunt powers to summon the lei heng from the world were he's chilling in the manor
fickle crown
That reminds me, I genuinely wonder if spirits do exist in the setting
stoic fjord
Whats the new uptie art look like
I don't think it changed? it's still the same, since it's basically just Sihouettes
keen palm
Well someone just said they changed it
fickle crown
Also kinda sad Ryo doesn't have facades yet
For her base ID
Because I'd layer it over her capstone ngl
stoic fjord
base Ryo on top of capstone...
fickle crown
I wish we got special animations for doing that
mortal garnet
That reminds me, I genuinely wonder if spirits do exist in the setting
that lady from heath canto said that she could hear the previous owner, and every cathy is kinda ghostly
stoic fjord
I wish we got special animations for doing that
true...
stoic fjord
that lady from heath canto said that she could hear the previous owner, and ever...
Josephine might genuinely just be going insane
fickle crown
It's a 50/50 of madness and possibly lethe
eternal berry
That reminds me, I genuinely wonder if spirits do exist in the setting
There's probably a phenomenon/entities you could identify as spirits/ghosts somewhere in the world
stoic fjord
I wish we got special animations for doing that
it'd be peak
keen palm
Oh no theres definitely some kinda ghost
Its just a wonder if its Carmen, Cathy, or the River
mortal garnet
Josephine might genuinely just be going insane
well, she indeed get a buff from hearing things
that means that 1 - she actually see ghosts or 2 - being crazy give you superpowers
bronze zephyr
I mean
The River is under the manor for a reason
mortal garnet
IIRC wuthering heights novel have ghosts and things like that, so they def took inspiration from that
cosmic gorge
Dante seems to be able to
The unserious implication is that dante wanted to see ish in a quipao-
mortal garnet
Its just a wonder if its Carmen, Cathy, or the River
...its lei heng
keen palm
Lei Heng is the only real ghost yeah
cosmic gorge
Yoshihide, lock the fuck in
stoic fjord
the socrates of our generation
mortal garnet
also, i didnt read all of ryo HOS id kit, but shes good if you dont have other HOS ids or is like middle ids that really need one another?
cosmic gorge
I went 6/50 to mdie with her, albinafausts shield deffo helped me deal with unclashables (but also the NDA gift that gave mugashu lotsa shield)
fickle crown
also, i didnt read all of ryo HOS id kit, but shes good if you dont have other H...
She's perfectly fine as a soloist
cosmic gorge
If anything she is a cracked burnbleedpoise unit
fickle crown
If anything she is a cracked burnbleedpoise unit
Ehhh her burn application is ass
Like 90% of her kit is poise tbh, the bleed and burn are even more superficial than the stuff the Middle IDs have
She mostly has the status for well
Coin power and also because she's an MD monster
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The statuses are for compatibility with the other teams
Also: knowing what we know
Is Liu Ryoshu fucked up or what
Woman who learned exactly one lesson from dad and it’s that killing with fire is the worst, most heinous way to kill another person: “I’m joining up with the Burn People Alive corps”
stoic fjord
N Corp's thing of nailing stakes into people with hammers is super cool...
mortal garnet
Ehhh her burn application is ass
so far is the best burn id for her bc there's no other ryoshu strong as her that apply burn
also, one of her S3 triggers burn, thats cool i guess
fickle crown
The statuses are for compatibility with the other teams
Unironically... She might actually fit well into a middle team
Somehow
stoic fjord
so far is the best burn id for her bc there's no other ryoshu strong as her that...
Also she has 4MF
Which inflicts burn potency with every 4th skill
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Tbh
stoic fjord
And she has a ton of free skills
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You can probably run her with any finger team
fickle crown
I think Thumb team is actually terrible for her in a long fight
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And use the spare slots to load up HoS team members to eat
mortal garnet
And she has a ton of free skills
just like her last ID, i wonder why
fickle crown
Since Tremor Scorch is going to devour your burn stacks
stoic fjord
just like her last ID, i wonder why
4MF TS5
Is my guess
Fucked up that the first TS5 was for an E.G.O that was perfectly fine and actually quite strong iirc
fickle crown
Like outside of Ring she doesn't really get along with the other fingers status-wise due to other contrivances (minus Middle since Ishmael actually has really good burn application once she gets rolling)
That and also Heathcardo being Blurn
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It’s pretty simple
fickle crown
And Outis is basically guaranteed to be Blurn too
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She has compatibility (not necessarily super synergy) with each Finger team so she CAN be run with them in MD
And then if you’re pressed
Eat your allies and become a shitstorm
fickle crown
I'm kinda being unfair here since I'm considering usage in base gameplay only
But yea
She is an MD monster with her kit
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In base gameplay without EGO gifts she’s a mediocre to goodish unit for any Finger in return for being The Gimmick Ever if you want to emergency eject your HoS allies
mortal garnet
And Outis is basically guaranteed to be Blurn too
with a little of tremor(burst)
cosmic gorge
Putting base sinclair and gunnsang on support to power up her feeding tendencies
fickle crown
But yea, I would absolutely not put her into a Thumb team because they sadly eat straight through their burn stacks
Modern tremor has a habit of completely depleting the stack after the second turn
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Thumb will get burn count support with the HoS units trust the plan
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Modern tremor has a habit of completely depleting the stack after the second tur...
Except sinkmor
fickle crown
Molar Outis once again a massive mold breaker for tremor that changed the archetype forever
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Sinkmor instead of being possessed by the Tremor Burst devil is instead the debuff tremor meme machine
Where you set like -5 clash power and then squat on it and apply Sinking instead
fickle crown
Sinkmor leaves the enemy depressed and shaking in a shower alone
worthy haven
I think its an unknown third party
Mephistopheles time
mortal garnet
One billion tremor bursts
molar outis s3?
fickle crown
Molar Outis was also the first tremor unit to have an S2 tremor burst iirc
Which set a bit of a standard going forward
mortal garnet
dear project moon, where is our mephi ID?
fickle crown
Also what if
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Dapp me up Mr Mephistopheles
fickle crown
Rosespanner being put over the Thumb IDs lmao
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Doubtful
worthy haven
Canto 13
Soon we will get to know more about the most important character that lurks in the shadow at every turn 😌
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Or do you mean like Rosespanner facade
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Soon we will get to know more about the most important character that lurks in t...
Samjo 2
fickle crown
Or do you mean like Rosespanner facade
Facade yeah
fickle crown
Mostly joking about the fact there was a crackpot theory that the Rosespanners were actually Thumb IDs lmao
mortal garnet
Soon we will get to know more about the most important character that lurks in t...
gregor's roach!
cosmic gorge
Like fullstop sinclair
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Tbh I’m ready for the reveal that the Library and LobCorp Walpurgisnachts are no coincidence or accident but a deliberate attempt to break in and steal from those places
That feels like the big Mephistopheles reveal we haven’t gotten yet
“Yeah so Walpipi isnt just a gacha event justification it’s key plot”
“Get dunked on”
fickle crown
I feel like that isn't actually possible given they're like... Not real
Like the mirror dungeon is described as basically being a weirdass dreamscape
mortal garnet
the big mephi reveal is that Dias is behind one of the dozen doors the LCB team left closed, trust
fickle crown
And I'm pretty sure the library and lobcorp fights are the same
Since things in the MD don't seem to be fully material if you get what I mean
cosmic gorge
Attempt is the key word
We get the funky facsimile from our hands trying to reach into the cookie jar
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It doesn’t have to be literal objects
Limbus Company would probably be happy to steal knowledge of how Ayin home brewed divine enlightenment in his basement
fickle crown
Like the sinners can die and interact with the various things seen around the MD but it's not fully real
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The secrets of the Singularity he used and whatnot
After all that’s literally their stated goal
Retrieve the tech Lobotomy Corp used before the fall
Face the Sin, save the EGO
fickle crown
Imagine purgatorio Walpipi is just "fight a bunch of ALEPH agents lmao"
worthy haven
As a sidenote I am still trying out to at least hypothesize the last two identies of the ||Fausts from the council. 3 of them I think are somewhat clear but 2 I am drawing a mega blank on||
mortal garnet
Like the sinners can die and interact with the various things seen around the MD...
yeah, if MD was 100% real, why they dont steal the gifts for themselves? (idk if one of the dante notes answer that)
fickle crown
Also another thing, but I think it's odd how the sinners are non-traditional agents if you get what I mean
mortal garnet
Imagine purgatorio Walpipi is just "fight a bunch of ALEPH agents lmao"
"kill nothing there, good luck"
mortal garnet
Also another thing, but I think it's odd how the sinners are non-traditional age...
well, they can respawn, they can work like an undead army without the undead thing
fickle crown
Like Ryoshu and Meursault are massive stand out examples
Meursault's basically pioneering EGO alteration research and Ryoshu is a dual wielder
Also I meant in the lobcorp mirror world
mortal garnet
also meur worked/lived at Ncorp nest, right?
worthy haven
Yes
fickle crown
Yep
cosmic gorge
As a sidenote I am still trying out to at least hypothesize the last two identie...
you think they could be preexisting IDs?
worthy haven
And has Carmen experience if Pilgrimage is to be believed
worthy haven
you think they could be preexisting IDs?
No! I believe that they are all characters from Faust part 1 and 2
mortal garnet
secret meur betray in canto 10, hes one of league of nine members
worthy haven
The classical Walpurgisnacht is explicitly a thing that happens in Faust part 2 and is very different from the part 1 Walpurgisnacht
So far what I have got is|| lovely Faust is prob Helen of Troy, brilliant Faust OR astute is prob Wagner (former student of Faust who created the homunculus) and August Faust could be the nameless emperor of act 2 of part 2. Triple name eludes me||
keen palm
It is funny that Mersault is apparently one step down from Ryoshu
However he wasn't a taboo hunter
mortal garnet
So far what I have got is|| lovely Faust is prob Helen of Troy, brilliant Faust ...
if we get to see "gregor canto 2" in Inferno, could we get faust gregor sister ID (if she's alive ofc)?
split beacon
Vespa would probably still beat a non-Muga unchained Ryoshu tbh
fickle crown
Fucked up that the first TS5 was for an E.G.O that was perfectly fine and actual...
Also worth elaborating on, but this kinda makes sense given 4th match Ryoshu is basically the Season 1 poster child on top of her being the EGO shown when explaining how it works in the loading screen
worthy haven
In a serious fight I would actually give it to valencina I think
mortal garnet
Muga Ryo is only about as strong as Valencia
well, she stalled verg tho
worthy haven
Twice
keen palm
Valencia can punch up due to her eye yes
I am talking purely on a level aspect
Mugs Ryo is 75
Vespa is 87
worthy haven
Well but I don't think actually correlates into how a battle would go seeing how many people were needed for matthias
lean fjord
I wonder how Verg would have done against the other Nursefathers now
cosmic gorge
uhhhhh
worthy haven
I think Matthias actually would hard counter verg?
cosmic gorge
which season 1 Egos got a glowup again
lean fjord
though he IIRC self admittedly isn't as strong in a 1v1
eternal berry
Vespa’s at bare minimum also got a top-tier relic weapon, and he’s skilled enough that rending space is in his arsenal
keen palm
I think the problem with Vergil being anywhere else is not that he would do poorly but then no one else could stop the Kaiser
lean fjord
that would have been the issue, yeah
he was the only one that could have handled that
worthy haven
Rien also seemingly held back the entire time
keen palm
Rien explicitly held back yes
worthy haven
And is at the mercy of randomness
keen palm
Or at least his proximity to Ryoshu made his wounds act up
worthy haven
Def is a note that only he was a star alone among them
mortal garnet
which season 1 Egos got a glowup again
if they will glowup s1 egos, i dont think they will give fluid sac a buff, unless they nerf it and them buff
keen palm
Matthias splatters Vergil turn 1 because he didnt have a bowl cut
lean fjord
if they will glowup s1 egos, i dont think they will give fluid sac a buff, unles...
Fluid Sac doesn't need it tbh
they're using UT5 explicitly as a way to bring up old EGO that aren't as good
mortal garnet
Fluid Sac doesn't need it tbh
ik, is just that what if they want to buff EVERY (or most of) s1 ids
mortal garnet
they're using UT5 explicitly as a way to bring up old EGO that aren't as good
fair
split beacon
uptie 5 fluid sac that adds nothing.
keen palm
Uptie 5 fluid sac that makes it worse
mortal garnet
uptie 5 fluid sac that adds nothing.
make it green
cosmic gorge
fau getting the green cat ego feels like another topping of homunculusforshadowing
buoyant stream
they're using UT5 explicitly as a way to bring up old EGO that aren't as good
i find it funny then that they did the one 4MF that didn't really need a buff as the first one (yes ik its for more ryoshu hype but still)
stoic fjord
It's just occurred to me
HoS Ryoshu still isn't at max power
We still have 3 more HoS IDs before all her buffs are in
And her S3-2 has 2 more coins to gain from the two nursefathers we have yet to get
gentle mulch
5 nursefathers right
she only kills max 2 at a time iirc?
so it'd take herrrrrr
5 turrrnsss?
buoyant stream
5 nursefathers right
4, we're not getting a pinky NF
gentle mulch
well 1 extra because she starts out only killing 1
so 1-2-2-2-1
wait
1-2-2-2-2
to get all her slots
stoic fjord
4, we're not getting a pinky NF
They're going to give us one as a surprise trust
keen palm
You can do it faster with Fellbulet Yi Sang
buoyant stream
They're going to give us one as a surprise trust
and retroactively change her kit 
cosmic gorge
We still have 3 more HoS IDs before all her buffs are in
valenciarodion gives evasion buffs
i believe
gentle mulch
this id is gonna be so fucked up
stoic fjord
You can do it faster with Fellbulet Yi Sang
I thought she had to kill them for the buffs?
buoyant stream
they just have to die
bronze zephyr
^
stoic fjord
Crazy
keen palm
And Pinky Sinclair is pride Pierce weak
stoic fjord
And Pinky Sinclair is pride Pierce weak
Ryoshu is getting that poise and crit damage up and she can't delay it no matter how hard she tries
cloud wadi
damn
aromashu facade on bladeshu
just executes people with her revolver like she's a commissar
buoyant stream
yknow, as much as i love this id
she brings up a very blatant question
Who tf is Renclair's Master
keen palm
Why did the nursefathers get apprentices if they still had ryoshu
atomic steeple
The explanation I saw
cloud wadi
it's an anomaly actually
atomic steeple
Is that her memory is fucked up by entanglement abd the sword
glad fable
***Who tf is Renclair's Master***
The original Dihui Star maybe?
atomic steeple
She forgot escaping abd is mixing two times she attacked the HoS into one
With the apprentices being gotten after she escaped
Though then she wouldn't be able to train renclair
(she could easily forget him from using arayashiki and having mostly fond memories of him)
Okay
So maybe she was deemed a failure abd the apprentice thing was done, then later snapped? Abd tore her memory up
buoyant stream
i saw someone on Twitter propose that the Apprentices in this Mirror World are there as stand ins to be the recipients of whatever humane treatment (if you can call it that) our Ryo had from her Nursefathers. So they never humanize her which is reflected in how she describes them
stoic fjord
i saw someone on Twitter propose that the Apprentices in this Mirror World are t...
From what we've seen so far
I highly doubt it
gentle mulch
contradicts rodioncina throwing shit at her apprentice at least
but im not gonna know the answer until it's elaborated
stoic fjord
contradicts rodioncina throwing shit at her apprentice at least
Also just straight-up beating him
gentle mulch
rodion wtf
buoyant stream
idk as much as i like the season the writing and consistency has been a bit messy
gentle mulch
also w the uptie story i guess outis would be the "you kinda piss me off im just going to kill you" sorta NF
stoic fjord
idk as much as i like the season the writing and consistency has been a bit mess...
I think this at least has been consistent
gentle mulch
also yeah it's hard to wrap my head around everything for the post canto stuff
atomic steeple
It is a messy season
They were worried about pushing it out on time
cosmic gorge
aromashu facade on bladeshu
i went with the reverse and facaded bladeshu over aromashu
it fits even the aoes
worthy haven
Wait what about this season is messy. The HoS mirror world mainly?
buoyant stream
yea
atomic steeple
For me it's the cgs
buoyant stream
oh yeah that whole thing
atomic steeple
Back on release tgey were filled eith mistakes
keen palm
contradicts rodioncina throwing shit at her apprentice at least
She throws shit and switches to fawning praise on them, specifically
buoyant stream
The people back then speculating that the invonsistencies with the CGs were
diagetic
worthy haven
Was not ideal yea but honestly it's def just a small issue for me. They didn't pull me out of the story at all
A delay of the canto as they initially were considering prob would have been a better idea tho but still amazing canto, intervallo and by far the best and most interesting season of IDs yet
gentle mulch
they slapped contacts on ryoshu specifically to antagonize shiomi 🙂↕️
i just really like ryoshu so it's kinda hard to pull me out of the themes and such anyways
worthy haven
Ya
buoyant stream
i honestly just want to know wtf the deal with renclair is
cosmic gorge
peaks of character writing, this canto
ok i wanna know Why Mugashu has that shiomi yoru fit actually
unique bane
***Who tf is Renclair's Master***
Probably still ryoshu
She judt doesn't remember him because og aryashiki takes the most precious memories first iirc
unique bane
Why did the nursefathers get apprentices if they still had ryoshu
I think it's cause she was in the safe
cosmic gorge
whyd they put her in the shiomi yoru fit
for what purpose
split beacon
So
gentle mulch
dihui blade needs entanglement
split beacon
My read was that Bladeshu absolutely has been the Dihui Star and taken that position
gentle mulch
is my read
split beacon
But the Bladeshu we read the uptie story from is already at the like
Terminal point of her entanglement issues
So all she can remember is the darkness of the safe and pain
unique bane
Yeah, that seems right to me
split beacon
The whole blurry maddened “the present is already the past” segment of her Uptie Story feels like it’s supposed to imply she lived a whole ass life as the Dihui Star, trained Renclair, and Renclair the whole time watched her devolve and fall apart as the Temporal Entanglement eroded her sanity to nothing and broke her
split beacon
And then she becomes Arayashu, goes insane and kills absolutely everyone
mortal garnet
and then dante brings them back bc riensang is too op to be erased
split beacon
Hence the whole gimmick of her Dihui Star faction tag getting crossed out and replaced with the Tiansha Star faction tag because you can’t be two stars at once
fickle crown
I think it's also implying a death of personality
Every thread severed just untethers her until there's nothing left to hang on to
The fact that Renclair is the last to go kinda implies he was probably the one thing keeping her grounded
split beacon
that was basically the job he claimed to have yes
stoic fjord
HER IDLE LINE IS IN FACT HER SINGING THE MUGA THEME
buoyant stream
im not sure what the conditional is but i've pretty much been hearing the changed music all day with the solos i did
stoic fjord
HUH??? DID THEY DATAMINE LINES FOR THE OTHER NURSEFATHERS ALREADY OR SOMETHING
faint pivot
stoic fjord
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S LINES FOR OUTIS AND RODION ALREADY??? SURELY NOT?
cosmic gorge
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S LINES FOR OUTIS AND RODION ALREADY??? SURELY NOT?
Yahoo
keen palm
Why wouldn't there be?
main scaffoldBOT
Why do they sound like a discount Dan Green
red_d_terrarian ↩️
keen palm
We know Hong Lu has all his voice lines for all the Heishou
stoic fjord
okay yeah true
gentle mulch
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S LINES FOR OUTIS AND RODION ALREADY??? SURELY NOT?
shes so mad and corny it's kinda aura
"It's gonna be hot. HOT AS HELL" like okay youre still fundamentally the same dork it's just really sad now
stoic fjord
When brought into battle against Matthias in the Mirror Dungeon, this Identity will say "That Relic, those chains, the juvenile collection of toys, your life... I will find every last one of the things you hold dear and destroy them."
okay so the wiki says the music goes to canto 9 bost battle theme 9 at 5 HoS IDs dead and muga once all are dead
fickle crown
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S LINES FOR OUTIS AND RODION ALREADY??? SURELY NOT?
The fact there's a line for characters not dying is funny ngl
stoic fjord
The fact there's a line for characters not dying is funny ngl
MD specific ig
oh also uhhh
some E.G.Os
I assume
cosmic gorge
okay so the wiki says the music goes to canto 9 bost battle theme 9 at 5 HoS IDs...
oh thats why
i only got 4 HoS mfers to feed her with
ok bowlcut, time to shard your ass and feed you to your master
fickle crown
How it feels waiting on the rest of the HoS IDs
lean fjord
I'm sure they'll be soon now
fickle crown
Watch as we get spring cultivation bokgak before they drop lol
(I encourage the devs to take their time btw but yea, the wait has kinda been killing me)
fickle crown
Looks like it
bronze zephyr
RR6 hasn't come out yet though so I'm figuring itll be RR6 then 9.5-2
cosmic gorge
i wonder what kim will do in ncorp
fickle crown
Ngl I wouldn't mind RR coming out before walpipi
Because ten pull ticket
Also GOD we need better XP tickets soon
stoic fjord
holy SHIT HoS Ryoshu once she's scaled genuinely makes Caposault look like a bitch
and this isn't meant as a caposault diss
fickle crown
Yea
split beacon
They really put Bladeshu in the crystal
crimson spindle
I think ultimately, it's kind of digetic that the plot is a giant entangled mess
stoic fjord
holy SHIT HoS Ryoshu once she's scaled genuinely makes Caposault look like a bit...
this isn't even fucking potential woman shit
you just evade and she starts getting mega buffed
stoic fjord
Bladeshu is stronger than Goku
fickle crown
Kinda wish she had a unique interaction with caposault
fickle crown
Real and based
stoic fjord
~~she should slime him out for one more buff~~
fuck it, just let her kill each and every finger ID
split beacon
Rien Sang said “you’ve added nothing to the House of Spiders, that’s it, you’re going in the time vault”
cosmic gorge
"Thanks for the barbecues unc."
crimson spindle
Oh, no they didn't put her in the time vault
fickle crown
Iirc she just mentally broke in the safe
fickle crown
It wasn't even locked
She basically gave up and it eventually led to her entanglement
The only thing keeping her there was the repeated abuse fucking with her head
stoic fjord
fuck it, just let her kill each and every finger ID
"Ring Outis? that mf is Ring. I hate the Ring. I'm killing her."
"I fucking HATE the Thumb, that Soldato is getting his shit rocked RIGHT NOW."
"FUCK THE MIDDLE"
I don't even want buffs for it I just want to be able to teamkill for infinite slots
fickle crown
PoV: Ryoshu flesh emulsion smiling bodies style
keen palm
It wasn't even locked
It was locked
They would put her in, take her out, beat her and torture her, then throw her back in
lean fjord
Lmao
main scaffoldBOT
I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that the sinners are capable of being even worse parents than the original nursefathers
fickle crown
They would put her in, take her out, beat her and torture her, then throw her ba...
Ahhh ok
fickle crown
I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that the sinners are capable of being *e...
Let's be real
stoic fjord
they're called the sinners for a reason
fickle crown
If this was a real workforce everyone would be in the psych ward
cosmic gorge
the NF IDs are just their Worst Selves allowed to fester and rot
stoic fjord
they're called the sinners for a reason
Yi Sang has a mirror world where he loves shooting his comrades in the back to splatter them across the battlefield
cosmic gorge
every ID we have draws upon their potentialities and not every potentiality creates a better version of their character
fickle crown
Imo the IDs do also highlight the worst parts of a sinner sometimes
gentle mulch
me when im bored so i sacrifice 1 million poor broke poverty striken soldiers for a mild tactical advantage that didnt work out because of terrain
cosmic gorge
callilu is someone who internalized the gore of his trauma and passes that inured enthusiasm for the macabre on his charge, riensang's love for decay and penchance to hurt others finding someone who can't push back, valenciarodya's mood swings externalized to the source and savior of her fortunes, etc
fickle crown
Like Hong Lu and Yi Sang often have their more sadistic elements put forward, Outis is often shown in scenarios where she (very coldly) kills people, and Don is oftentimes shown either having her sense of justice perverted or losing it in favor of something worse
fickle crown
Matthias and Outis both have themes of sacrifice ironically
cosmic gorge
ik outis has that scissors ego that represent childishness
fickle crown
For someone so selfish, Matthias really did give everything up for that sword
Not to mention what he did to Kira
dusty sigil
https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1td5usr/the_best_facade_ever
From @ kytox1
cosmic gorge
like, as a parent i assumed that outis is more neglectful bc odysseus
oh wait we had this discussion already
fickle crown
Yeah
cosmic gorge
matthoutis as (maybee) trying to make up for neglect with all the toys
stoic fjord
like, as a parent i assumed that outis is more neglectful bc odysseus
oh wait we...
more neglectful than Matthias should be grounds for 1000 years torture in the hyperbolic time chamber
fickle crown
matthoutis as (maybee) trying to make up for neglect with all the toys
Matthias at least bothered to sometimes hang out with Kira, Matthoutis just buys Kiramael a bunch of manga and video games she doesn't even want (ie: wrong edition, chapter, etc) and then fucks off on another vengeance spree
And then leaves Kiramael to basically fend for herself
stoic fjord
Matthias at least bothered to sometimes hang out with Kira, Matthoutis just buys...
they also seemed to genuinely share some of that interest, whereas Outis genuinely doesn't even have the pretense of connection in that interest
dusty sigil
But also I do think it’s important to remember that part of the deal with mirror technology is that it often does show you what you expect from that mirror world
Do I think Yi Sang would abuse a child like how HOS Yi Sang abuses Ryoshu? No
But I do believe that Yi Sang, if he showed himself a world where he was the uncaring and empty index proxy abandoned to run the HOS, would see himself as capable of abusing a child like that? Yes, I do
lean fjord
Mattoutis will I think focus a lot on Outis not caring about the HoS, because they aren't her real family
stoic fjord
they also seemed to genuinely share some of that interest, whereas Outis genuine...
like, Matthias and Kira seeming to be on the same general facets, vs. Kiramael and MatthiOutis genuinely just being entirely disconnected there
fickle crown
But also I do think it’s important to remember that part of the deal with mirror...
Imo, it does also show more of the mental illness Yi Sang suffers from and how he tends to externalize it into violence with some of his IDs. Oftentimes his more violent impulses are directed outwards because he wants people to empathize with him in this weird fucked up way
Ringsang is probably the most overt example of this
With Riensang being a close second
dusty sigil
Yah
stoic fjord
I feel like so many of this mf's IDs are a cry for help 😭
dusty sigil
I mean, it’s Yi Sang
Dude was kept as a drugged up slave for several years
Emotionally and physically abused the entire time
fickle crown
Bro was literally writing letters constantly begging for help
dusty sigil
All while seeing a version of himself that not only achieved all his dreams, but was free to continue chasing new ones
dusty sigil
Quite frankly the fact our Yi Sang is happy at all now is a miracle
mortal garnet
bro was talking with himself bc he had nobody to hear him
fickle crown
Quite frankly the fact our Yi Sang is happy at all now is a miracle
Well, happy in a way that isn't getting people hurt
Ringsang is (again) a very jolly guy
He's also just
dusty sigil
Yah true
fickle crown
Really too enthusiastic about his works
dusty sigil
Also it’s the ring
keen palm
trying to square the circle of matthias and outis though
Outis, if we think about her as Odysseus, is refusing to grow up by continuing to perpetually live in the past of the Odyssey rather than confront her family and her past actions
dusty sigil
Being even slightly enthusiastic about your work means you kill people on a regular basis
keen palm
She is a remarkably immature person despite her station and age
mortal garnet
Quite frankly the fact our Yi Sang is happy at all now is a miracle
thank you clockhead
fickle crown
Outis, if we think about her as Odysseus, is refusing to grow up by continuing t...
Also again, sacrifice (in this case her reputation and standing)
dusty sigil
thank you clockhead
So true
fickle crown
Plus Outis did probably end up losing everything anyways if she crawled to Limbus Company for employment
(base Outis I mean)
Since obviously smoke war veterans weren't treated well
dusty sigil
Though she had the benefit of an existing wing position
mortal garnet
i mean, in the oddyssey, pretty much everyone dies
dusty sigil
She wasn’t some backstreets bum they chewed up and left out on the streets
She was someone before the war
fickle crown
She did, but also if that wing fell that goes from a benefit to a heavy heavy burden
dusty sigil
That’s true
cosmic gorge
The Muga Muglock
fickle crown
If she was working for the old L-Corp (and god that would be peak as fuck) that'd explain why she's kinda become a nobody today
mortal garnet
and she dislikes the gods of the city for some reason, maybe they fucked up her life
stoic fjord
If she was working for the old L-Corp (and god that would be peak as fuck) that'...
"nobody" ahaha
fickle crown
Nobody will remember some employee from there, high ranking or not
cosmic gorge
Oh neglectful matthoutis not caring for her assigned family because theyre not her real family
Different kind of parental abuse
fickle crown
Plus while she was maybe notorious and in a high ranking position at one point, much like Valencina, she'd eventually be forgotten again and fall into obscurity
keen palm
Canto 11 is gonna result in so many fucking epic the musical animatics
fickle crown
Wait is this why she gets ebony queens apple
I think it also plays into her themes of trickery
dusty sigil
Canto 11 is gonna result in so many fucking epic the musical animatics
Absolutely yah
fickle crown
Outis (at least the character she's based on) was a sly fucker
cosmic gorge
Canto 11 is gonna result in so many fucking epic the musical animatics
Personaly, I want a Ulysses by Franz Ferdinand AMV
mortal garnet
Plus while she was maybe notorious and in a high ranking position at one point, ...
unless you are a color (for some, even if you are), you will be forgotten one day, the city fucks
dusty sigil
When it’s revealed that Zeus intervened with Outis in someway I better see a thunderbringer animation
cosmic gorge
Youre never
Youre never
Youre never
Youre never going home
fickle crown
Which is another thing with Matthias that matches up, it's just that said trickery was so stupid it got him sent to the gulag forever
dusty sigil
Chat, y’all think Outis is gonna kill a baby?
mortal garnet
Canto 11 is gonna result in so many fucking epic the musical animatics
Epic the musical dead sheep id when
stoic fjord
Chat, y’all think Outis is gonna kill a baby?
HUHHHH???
fickle crown
At least by accident
mortal garnet
Chat, y’all think Outis is gonna kill a baby?
100%
stoic fjord
Outis wtf 😭
fickle crown
Also that reminds me, Ryoshu is gonna almost kill Outis's ass for sure in her canto
Casual bad parenting vs competitive deadbeat family avoidance
stoic fjord
Also that reminds me, Ryoshu is gonna almost kill Outis's ass for sure in her ca...
real footage of Ryoshu learning about Outis's past
mortal garnet
Also that reminds me, Ryoshu is gonna almost kill Outis's ass for sure in her ca...
unless the baby is idk, super evil
baby thanos or smth
fickle crown
Nah
dusty sigil
Casual bad parenting vs competitive deadbeat family avoidance
God forbid a woman do well in a male dominated field!
fickle crown
Knowing Outis, what she did has to have been fucking monstrous
Even by city standards
cosmic gorge
Mech made out of suffering civilizans idk
stoic fjord
with how she was after Dante said "I will still accept Sancho" and Outis still not seeming sure
mortal garnet
Knowing Outis, what she did has to have been fucking monstrous
she used heishous
fickle crown
And I think the horrified reactions everyone had when Kira got Ki/ra'd will be foreshadowing for Canto 11
stoic fjord
with how she was after Dante said "I will still accept Sancho" and Outis *still*...
I feel like Outis will genuinely be like, close to Hitler tier or something 😭
fickle crown
Because holy shit this woman is absolutely not a good person
sudden arch
Eyy I got the Valencia hidden boss with ayashu
dusty sigil
“Manager, would you forgive a sinner if they killed hundreds, no thousands, no millions of people, and also looked really cool and sexy while doing it, but in a mature way where it doesn’t even seem like they’re trying to be sexy, just that they are from experience of being sexy their whole life?”
sudden arch
Although I have made a huge mistake in taking on this boss because I'm on like attempt 5
fickle crown
“Manager, would you forgive a sinner if they killed hundreds, no thousands, no m...
"Go to bed grandma"
mortal garnet
she could have sent her soldiers to a suicide mission for her own gain
cosmic gorge
Eyy I got the Valencia hidden boss with ayashu
LUCKY
In my solo Mugashu run all the NFs sidegraded from abusive parents to neglectful parents (none of them showed up)
stoic fjord
“Manager, would you forgive a sinner if they killed hundreds, no thousands, no m...
"What's our cut-off point here, Manager?"
fickle crown
Still hilarious how Ishmael went off and literally told her to go to bed before dragging her to her room
mortal garnet
Eyy I got the Valencia hidden boss with ayashu
hell yeah burn team🔥
dusty sigil
Eyy I got the Valencia hidden boss with ayashu
BREED PORN
sudden arch
fickle crown
Istg Ishmael and Outis are fighting for a spot on who gets to be Dante's second mate
stoic fjord
I feel like Outis will genuinely be like, close to Hitler tier or something 😭
I'm not even sure this is a joke tbh
fickle crown
Generational fighting
cosmic gorge
Istg Ishmael and Outis are fighting for a spot on who gets to be Dante's second ...
The two second oldest fighting to be second in command
mortal garnet
“Manager, would you forgive a sinner if they killed hundreds, no thousands, no m...
"manager, would you forgive me if you knew that i was working in the PM version of unit 731"
fickle crown
Also I hope Ishmael gets a new ID in Canto 10 and it's just Ahab but the NLoN version
It would be peam
cosmic gorge
(there is no solid proof that ishmael is actually middle aged i just think itd be funny)
fickle crown
Ishmael is solidly in mid 20s early 30s range
dusty sigil
Ishmael is like, 30ish I think
cosmic gorge
All the pmoon ladies age gracefully
mortal garnet
Also I hope Ishmael gets a new ID in Canto 10 and it's just Ahab but the NLoN ve...
i really want ahab second fight to be easy as fuck
unless she got shin and mang before us, she will get wooped
fickle crown
i really want ahab second fight to be easy as fuck
unless she got shin and mang ...
Ahab has an EGO and has probably been sharpening it since it broke last time
dusty sigil
She was on the whaling ship in her twenties since she needed to be a fixer, was there for a bit, they got ate, 8 years pass
cosmic gorge
Linkedinmaxxed salarywoman beefing with a backstreets youngin
stoic fjord
"manager, would you forgive me if you knew that i was working in the PM version ...
having read up on Unit 731 due to my own chinese heritage as well as my curiousity
Dante should just fucking throw her into the corridor abyss at that point
fickle crown
Also if she somehow absorbs Gubo and he gets bedridden and dies it'd be peak
stoic fjord
11 sinners is enough to work with
dusty sigil
Bc i see heath as close to sinclairs age
Heathcliff walks into the bus wearing an “I like older ladies” shirt and Ishmael bashes his head in with a mace
fickle crown
(if you know what I'm talking about then yea)
cosmic gorge
Heathcliff walks into the bus wearing an “I like older *ladies*” shirt and Ishma...
I also lk ship heathdon so this works
mortal garnet
~~Also if she somehow absorbs Gubo and he gets bedridden and dies it'd be peak~~
i dont think she can absorb people who dont follow her view of world
fickle crown
Heathcliff walks into the bus wearing an “I like older *ladies*” shirt and Ishma...
Ishmael crushes Heathcliff's balls, tells Dante to turn back the clock and stares at Heathcliff for a solid minute before going in for a second swing
cosmic gorge
Also I hope Ishmael gets a new ID in Canto 10 and it's just Ahab but the NLoN ve...
Very peam
Would be funny if she gets MFE as ego gear
dusty sigil
Which one is MFE again?
cosmic gorge
Luciferian archetype gets the twisted Buddhism ego
fickle crown
Nah, she's getting Blind Obsession imo
stoic fjord
Which one is MFE again?
DONGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Ouuuhhhhhhhhh
fickle crown
It makes sense
stoic fjord
DONGGGGGGGGGGGG
Ouuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
fickle crown
It just does
dusty sigil
DONGGGGGGGGGGGGG
Ouuuhhhhhhhhh
Oh right
dusty sigil
Nah, she's getting Blind Obsession imo
Also yah, especially since Dream Devouring was in the whale
Which N Corp recovered
It’s one of the abnormalities they have access to
It would also be really cool to see Ahab be one of the few people to wield both EGO gear and her own EGO at the same time
It’d fit her with how mentally resilient she is
cosmic gorge
Or the candle demon ego
fickle crown
I think what sells Blind Obsession for me on her N-Corp EGO is the fact that Ishmael (in her corrosion quote) is literally dragging her crew down with her
stoic fjord
It’d fit her with how mentally resilient she is
hears voices and genuinely goes "SHUT UP I DON'T CARE ONLY WHAT I THINK MATTERS"
unique bane
Also I hope Ishmael gets a new ID in Canto 10 and it's just Ahab but the NLoN ve...
nlon?
dusty sigil
Her one track mind means so long as the object of her hatred still exists, she can persist through anything
dusty sigil
And Ishmael will likely be her new object of hatred
mortal garnet
theres any chance that the new league of nine will get a "copy" of the mirror we use? like, we fight regular gubo, then in phase 2 he equips a finger ID. I was wondering if this would be possible or dante is the only thing that will ever be born that allow people to use IDs in the way lcb uses
mortal garnet
And Ishmael will likely be her new object of hatred
indeed
stoic fjord
hears voices and genuinely goes "SHUT UP I DON'T CARE ONLY WHAT I THINK MATTERS"
"NOTHING ELSE MATTERS I NEED TO FUCKING KILL ISHMAEL"
mortal garnet
"ISHMAEL, YOU STOLE MY KILL ISHMAEL"
fickle crown
theres any chance that the new league of nine will get a "copy" of the mirror we...
They can use IDs actually, they have the tech for it. The thing is they're trying to form a "perfect dough" effectively
So any ID can take to it
dusty sigil
Also I’m a big believer in My Form Empties Sonya
fickle crown
Which is what happened with the Erlking
dusty sigil
Since he’s both religiously associated
But also in a sense, bringing karma to the city
fickle crown
Also that reminds me
dusty sigil
Punishing the rich who have lived their entire lives by facilitating the suffering of the poor
mortal garnet
They can use IDs actually, they have the tech for it. The thing is they're tryin...
so theres a small chance for Firefist [gregor mom name]
dusty sigil
Nelly will absolutely get Binds
Like
Yah
I considered ebony queen’s apple but N Corp doesn’t have that
Limbus does
So it’s gonna be Binds
fickle crown
so theres a small chance for Firefist [gregor mom name]
The main thing is that the ID system is also like... Hard to really manipulate
Mephi is kinda unique in the sense that it can at least kinda aid in the process of finding an ID
mortal garnet
The main thing is that the ID system is also like... Hard to really manipulate
yeah, that why i dont know if they will really use them or trow random people with ids
split beacon
pulling IDs seems to be basically completely random based on personal resonance the way the Ring originally used it
fickle crown
Because you a) need to find one that actually fits onto the person it's being overlaid over and b) holy fuck it's bad for your mental health
mortal garnet
imo at least one of them should use IDs in a way or another, would be really cool gameplay-wise
split beacon
and then Mephi lets us like, decide on IDs and use them instead of topdecking
and THEN the Golden Bough lets you bypass that shit and just scry all worlds for exactly the one you want
fickle crown
Also given what was said in Canto 6, it is definitely a gamble on if the ID you've dredged up is any good in the first place
mortal garnet
and THEN the Golden Bough lets you bypass that shit and just scry all worlds for...
the league got one of the bough tho
mortal garnet
Also given what was said in Canto 6, it is definitely a gamble on if the ID you'...
even the antagonist have to deal with the gacha system, peak
split beacon
you know what's funny
the antags have it worse than us
they're on the hoyo gacha "damn that shit sucks anyways pay up for more rolls" shit we have the Golden Boughs on our side
Dante has golden boughs in their clock making this shit fairer
stoic fjord
Wait is that what the pull nodes changing to be gold instead is
The boughs resonating to give us something better
split beacon
Idk fucking maybe
mortal garnet
"let it ride" said the ncorp member after the fifth gcorp id
split beacon
It’s a measurable fact that you can bias the extraction system with the power of the Golden Bough though
It happened in Canto 6 when N Corp decided to use their pity for Erlcliff
stoic fjord
Rate ups are Dante
mortal garnet
dante is a cheater and get good pity
or they are just that unlucky and cant pull anything
stoic fjord
I wonder how the base IDs and E.G.Os only folk are doing on canto 9
bronze zephyr
lol lmao
mortal garnet
I wonder how the base IDs and E.G.Os only folk are doing on canto 9
there's people doing that??
gentle mulch
there's someone trying to solo literally everything with shi heath
yeah there's some nuts challenge runs
stoic fjord
there's people doing that??
They did it for Cantos 1-8 and also every intervallo in that span
Idk about newer stuff tho
keen palm
Okay
I do not know how evades work
because Ryoshu is just not dodging
What do I slot here
stoic fjord
Idk about newer stuff tho
Iirc one of the last major roadblocks there was one of the LCB Checkup levels due to Sinclair and Meursault base LCB not being strong enough for it
mortal garnet
What do I slot here
prayers
keen palm
Not what I asked
mortal garnet
idk, i have the same issue, i evade and sometimes works
stoic fjord
I'm almost certain if you slot the first evade against Matthias's rightmost slot it should work
Wait
Left or right
gentle mulch
does it go rightmost or leftmost first
stoic fjord
I forget
gentle mulch
yea
stoic fjord
i also forget~
Okay Hong Lu 😭
gentle mulch
i don't do solos so idk
mortal garnet
does it go rightmost or leftmost first
left?
stoic fjord
The last solo I did with an evade was W Don against Canto 7's final boss
mortal garnet
skill slot
oh yeah ik, im just unsure if its left or right
gentle mulch
o same
the main thing that deters me from solos is that it's just so tedious trying to get to the max skill slots
stoic fjord
Mood
keen palm
Aight then
that's the run I guess
Cuz I can't figure this shit out and I don't care anymore lol
split beacon
What do I slot here
Leftmost fastest skill
keen palm
ty but I already ended the run
fickle crown
Oof...
Also advice for Matthias next time when soloing
Only clash his unbreakable coin skills
Unbreakables ALWAYS have priority over normal counters
Otherwise you'll get rules violation'd into a puddle of mush
And no, you can't dodge the rules violation of doom and despair
Yes it's basically fucking joever if he lands it
gentle mulch
40 sp sinners preparing for the worst fucking performance of their life
damn you ricardo
keen palm
I am getting pretty close to finishing the MD reward tree at least
mortal garnet
i love when my sinners lose the favored clashes, fuck these guys
stoic fjord
By next week I should be able to shard both Pinky Sinclair and Blade Ryoshu
gentle mulch
nice!
fickle crown
https://i.imgur.com/FbJ594g.png
Btw
Bit of advice for this in case speeds match up
Change to single line
gentle mulch
i love when my sinners lose the favored clashes, fuck these guys
If it's not Dominating it's Hopeless
mortal garnet
meur canto will be at the end of season 7 right?
gentle mulch
Start of 8 iirc
fickle crown
Single basically lists out attack priorities
mortal garnet
Start of 8 iirc
yeah, im not sharding caposault, ill wait for his bad end id
keen palm
Whichever one points at you first is the one you evade
Thank you, that's very helpful
mortal garnet
unless he's only charge based, i hope to get the capstone for him
stoic fjord
I feel like every season who the bad end will be has been quite straightforward
gentle mulch
Charge Tremor with Self Tremor Conversion mechanics
stoic fjord
I feel like every season who the bad end will be has been quite straightforward
Like this time it was less so but also still not hard to guess
mortal garnet
Charge Tremor with Self Tremor Conversion mechanics
dont even joke lad, i dislike charge. why? no reason at all
gentle mulch
and yes it's Unique Charge that can't get potency
mortal garnet
I feel like every season who the bad end will be has been quite straightforward
canto 4 could have been either farmwatch you flower guy, tho nowdays we know who we got
or*
fickle crown
Charge Tremor with Self Tremor Conversion mechanics
The evil and nefarious Stage 3 Sloth Peccatulum:
fickle crown
canto 4 could have been either farmwatch you flower guy, tho nowdays we know who...
Nah
mortal garnet
The evil and nefarious Stage 3 Sloth Peccatulum:
sisyphus irl
gentle mulch
just ruining my day when that appears
fickle crown
Farmwatch wouldn't ever be an ID due to Dongrang's irl doings
Which is to say that he's not well liked (and that's putting it generously)
mortal garnet
yeah, that sucks bc dongrang is my fav antagonist so far, but is fair that they dont want to make it
stoic fjord
After seeing what a fallen Corp had
I think Roland was just fucking dead wrong when he said the fingers had almost as much influence as the Corps
No bruh there are more levels to this shit than you could fathom
fickle crown
Okay tbf
Dante did witness Yi Sang rant about a fucking potato to the entire class
A
Rotten potato to boot
eternal berry
I think Roland was just fucking dead wrong when he said the fingers had almost a...
Well, if you can only practically unleash these things in situations like Wing Wars, then it doesn’t really factor into things like influence, does it? Like, by that point “influence” has failed as an option
stoic fjord
Well, if you can only practically unleash these things in situations like Wing W...
Okay actually you have a fair point
mortal garnet
https://i.imgur.com/L6v8nGe.png
tbh i dont think yi sang would be that excited to talk about the project that ruined his life, so is better that way
stoic fjord
The gulf in power is far larger than any difference in outward social influence
eternal berry
The 5F are pervasive and probably more appealing to your average Backstreeter that knows they’re not ever gonna be a Feather
keen palm
@cloud wadi I wanted to check the lore and yeah, upties and the information Dante gets from them seem to be diagetic and canon
So I think we have to assume Carmen is talking directly to Dante
cloud wadi
hmm
I can't remember a time when Dante actually used information from an uptie
or acknowledged it even
keen palm
W Cpr[
fickle crown
Well, if you can only practically unleash these things in situations like Wing W...
Also the fingers could have some fucked up superweapons too, it's just that they haven't decided to show their hands yet
eternal berry
Dante can talk to the IDs, that’s where they sourced that info
fickle crown
or acknowledged it even
W Corp IDs
stoic fjord
Also the fingers could have some fucked up superweapons too, it's just that they...
Fuck, I didn't even consider that
cloud wadi
they could've gotten it through menu dialogues, which I know are diagetic.
keen palm
The Fingers assumedly have superweapons yes
considering the Wings and the Head can't wipe them out
stoic fjord
considering the Wings and the Head can't wipe them out
I don't know it's so much as can't for the head
cloud wadi
besides Dante doesn't really seem to know for sure what happens in the train, only that from their conversations with W Corp IDs that riding the train is a bad idea.
keen palm
Everything I've seen has said the Head can't dislodge them
eternal berry
they could've gotten it through menu dialogues, which I know are diagetic.
I think that’s been the suggestion. I’ll have to find where it’s mentioned but Dante’s basically been logging useful tidbits that come up in conversation with the IDs
stoic fjord
The Head doesn't seem to mind anything so long as it follows their rules, and the Fingers are another facet of humanity