Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[split beacon]

it's kinda stupid

[crimson spindle]

without some sort of lodestone why would you spend hours getting the brushstroke just so

to evoke this thing

corporism especially is asking a lot

sacrificing your entire body to the art

literally

who is gonna do that when the prime members are quite literally, failures

[faint pivot]

Starting a movement kinda precludes you from the classification of failure

[crimson spindle]

corporism probably isn't going to be permanently gone, some nutjob will reinvent it again

[faint pivot]

Callisto plateaued

[crimson spindle]

but the stallout is pretty normal

[cosmic gorge]

whats the neocorporist manifesto for their reborn movement

[split beacon]

yeah Callisto is also, separate from having lost his mind, also someone who's quite literally neck deep in one really specific field of artistic techniques and there's very little appeal in wading into that swamp if you're getting started in the Ring and looking at Corporism as a movement

[faint pivot]

...say

If you were in idk Pointillist territory but wanted to study Cubism

[crimson spindle]

if callisto could have kept going there would be a bunch of albinas

[faint pivot]

Do you even have a choice?

Do you get to migrate?

[crimson spindle]

taking corporism in a new direction

spreading out the movement

[split beacon]

you probably have a choice but also your old teacher might disavow you and or stab you

[crimson spindle]

but he lost the plot at the worst moment for it

[faint pivot]

Ayup

Sounds like the City alright

[crimson spindle]

when there were no heirs

[split beacon]

depending on temperament and how valuable you are to their atelier

if you're a star docent who's driving the movement forward and making auctionable pieces for your maestro they may in fact go "yeah you can study Cubism if you want but if you try to hang up your smock I'm gonna have to drag you back"

[crimson spindle]

there was no picasso to inherit the legacy of les fauves

which, incidentally, iis a real art movement

it's a proto-modern art movement focused on wild color choices and brushwork

[split beacon]

god, I love the use of color in that painting

I saw it before right now to be clear when I was like "hey Limbus is doing an Intervallo discussing a real art movement I should educate myself a little"

[crimson spindle]

corporism is as far as I can tell fictional

which in the context of limbus is sort of implied by it dying off

[split beacon]

the post-photography expression and exploration of what is painterly rather than what is realistic is just so interesting

[cloud wadi]

Corporism is still studied in ring academy as like basic skill

Basic skill that kids don’t appreciate anymore apparently

Since they can use paint instead of blood for pigmentation

Kids don’t know how good they have it

[crimson spindle]

the one place I do know corporism is used as a term is in philosophy

[split beacon]

the paint is interesting actually

[crimson spindle]

where it refers to the focus on the body as part of the greater mind

[split beacon]

because - hold on, this is in a lore entry/description somewhere

[cloud wadi]

It makes sense that the Ring would encourage through understanding of human physiology as it pertains to use of them for art as basic skill, though I doubt most would take it as far as Callisto

[cloud wadi]

Yeah that’s Albina’s schtick

What’s more important

Let’s say the body is a river

Is the content of the river more important to the character of the river (water) or the shape of the channel in the ground

If we replace the entirety of the content of the river, people would still say that it’s the same river and yet if the shape of the river changes radically people would hesitate to call it the same river

[split beacon]

here it is

[cosmic gorge]

oh yeah the

fauvists all have that furmask sensory deprivation boost dont they

[split beacon]

the paint of the Ring is apparently pretty important stuff - it's made from the same material as Augmentation Tattoos (supposedly) and it has effects both detrimental and beneficial depending on the paint in question

which is interesting because of course

the Corporists do not use any paint.

[cosmic gorge]

true

hey btw

which ring movement would be close to mummies in aesthetic

we got werewolf fauvists, frankestein corporists, an offscreen bloodfiend maestro

we just need a mummy

[bronze zephyr]

Just woke up hbd Meursault

[split beacon]

What, was Rufo not mommy enough for you already?

[cosmic gorge]

i walked into that didnt i

[cosmic gorge]

im greedy

[split beacon]

This is the greed they warned us about in the Bible

[bronze zephyr]

LMAO

Crack theory
Faust isn’t the homunculus she’s the flask

[cosmic gorge]

you know that implies shes incubating the homunculus and remembers the Hurting Teddy Bear corrison no no no we are not going there

[bronze zephyr]

Mayve I Am onto sm here

[faint pivot]

https://youtu.be/puUYyEs8liQ?si=LuNo5cakAUMtpKAt

[bronze zephyr]

Matthias Outis how I desire u

[split beacon]

like as a game unit or ?

[bronze zephyr]

Both~

Mainly a game unit

Next week surely surely waugh

Outis > Ryoshu > Intervallo > Thumb Duo > Walp

[uneven canopy]

meursault a cinco de mayo baby?

[keen palm]

I also desire Middle Outis carnally

[worthy haven]

Don't forget blaue Reiter!

[lean fjord]

what was that one's deal in real life?

[worthy haven]

If I remember correctly it was like a loose collective of expressionist artists formed in Munich.

They wanted less realism, more abstract art and I think a connection of art, literature and music (like the "blaue Reiter" Almanach)

Existed only for like a couple years tho and ended due to ww1 I believe but pretty influential (I am Def not an art history buff tho so I could be wrong here for sure)

[main scaffold]

It’s always fun to watch someone play limbus for the first time

[split beacon]

my goat never misses

[gentle mulch]

LMAO

[keen palm]

https://youtu.be/m88fSFxwiG0?si=d6nSJ1hZUDFYIfs3

[vagrant dove]

It's true!

[stoic fjord]

I feel like Thumb Duo would be before ryoshu

if I could just get middle don

I would have enough to activate bleed keyword gifts in MD

fuck I wish I could've gotten FA&S Ryoshu

[vagrant dove]

I'd offer mine as a support but that wouldn't help with MDs sadly

[stoic fjord]

yeah...

[vagrant dove]

Oh on the topic of units

Really liking Hornetsault

[bronze zephyr]

That’s what I’d like but roadmap has her as coming relatively soon

[stoic fjord]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UJWQ6aQAdA||

Canto 7 spoilers

[stoic fjord]

fair

[vagrant dove]

Still so curious what that ID will be

[atomic steeple]

You know, I think expressionists are burn
Fervid emotions

[bronze zephyr]

its cool that the Ring gets to be so varied compared to the other fingers

[atomic steeple]

Probably use conditionals to trigger burn extra times
Or do (burn+bleed)/2 damage

[bronze zephyr]

anyone know if Plague Doc counts as a Zayin or an Aleph for crate odds?

[stoic fjord]

iirc it counts as Zayin

or at least it isn't standard ALEPH

[vagrant dove]

I think it counts as Zayin

Yeah

[faint pivot]

B.M. for B.R.

[keen palm]

Bowel movements for battle Royale

[faint pivot]

(Bookmark for back reading)

S.A.N.G.R.I.A., truly

[keen palm]

Snake Ass Needs Gorilla In Alacrity

[atomic steeple]

Don't have a strong enough read on blaue reiter to guess their deal
Suprematists must be pure bleed plus non-sin statuses

Cubists tremor

[dusty sigil]

So like, ring schools based off real art movements tend to be way more literal then their irl counterpart (pointillism involves putting a bunch of dots on yourself and others, fauvism involves making artwork out of animal parts), y’all think cubism involves making people into literal cubes?

[split beacon]

it seems to be exposing other facets (of the human body)

[dusty sigil]

They’re totally making people into cubes

[cosmic gorge]

putting people in the compactor

or (closer to actual cubism) turning you inside out

[cloud wadi]

yeah I suspect they'll turn you inside out

but also turn you into cubes

[fickle crown]

I think the mannequins showed it best with their spider head attack

[faint pivot]

D.U.H.

[faint pivot]

https://youtu.be/IojOD1E12ZA

[gentle mulch]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1973530/view/704392974023263202?l=english

[tiny cave]

Ya we have reflectcardo

[dusty sigil]

He’s real?

[tiny cave]

Another 250 threadskein

And an ID uptie 4 module? Damn

I imagine he’s probably gonna get gluttony and envy weakness for this event?

Phase 1 Zilu, Phase 2 Ricardo

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah prolly

[tiny cave]

If so it’s Heishouslopping time for an LTC

[bronze zephyr]

yeaaaah

[cosmic gorge]

Heishlop

[tiny cave]

Lord of Slopyuan

[lean fjord]

weak to Middle and Mao, yes

[cosmic gorge]

Are all the Refraction bosses gonna have a clashgate AoE

Rufo has her zoomies, and big rick has his CATE

[bronze zephyr]

lmaaao

[gentle mulch]

dante having a four minute monologue about how they wish they could just Unlock the sinners' potential or something and then nullify Chain because

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-limbus-company-golden-bough-superbia-gif-1806063993430880311

[bronze zephyr]

~3 hours until we learn whether we will be graced w Middle Outis

[keen palm]

if we do, please @ me

if not I do not give a dang

I also think I'm gonna work on a Tremor team when we hit the end of canto draught

[bronze zephyr]

ill be so disapointed if we dont

i probably should reign in my hopes for her but

sNdnfsdnfsi i want

[keen palm]

Also fun tidbit

Sweeper Announcer talks about "families" a lot

apparently it's how Sweepers are organized

[bronze zephyr]

ah yeah

i think its mentioned in the ruina sweeper books, i forget

[keen palm]

Dang I wonder why they use that word specifically and also where the children they take go and why their essentia seems to be a viscous red fluids and why Don Quixote has a strong reaction to their smell gosh gosh gosh

[bronze zephyr]

YEAH i noticed the don thing too

[keen palm]

"Yeah if you go outside at 3:14 AM a horde of immortal vampire cyborg will come as the tide to fucking kill you"

MOTHER

[tiny cave]

Wayfarer Corp Gregor standard ID

[ebon forge]

1,500 hr of limbus

who to shard next?

[faint pivot]

Riccliff

[ebon forge]

other than valenrodya, middlecliff, middle don, etc

[faint pivot]

Intention/goal of sharding?

[ebon forge]

just building teams and shit

i dont really care as long as its not tremor

[faint pivot]

Umbrellacliff

For Charge-Rupture-Sinking

[ebon forge]

current shards

[faint pivot]

Or Ruping

[ebon forge]

thats also QoH don right

[faint pivot]

Yes

[tiny cave]

Are you waiting for the S7 guarantee ticket

[ebon forge]

nah

[faint pivot]

But Umbrellacliff is one of the 3 Sinking-Rupture units

[ebon forge]

i just shard everyone regardless

[faint pivot]

So he's needed

[tiny cave]

Riccliff and Yurodivy hong are the only used IDs left

Oh I guess Zwei ish as well

[faint pivot]

Tremor

[faint pivot]

Bump

[tiny cave]

Zwei ish isn’t really tremor but you’re probably not running her outside of tremor

[ebon forge]

its

XYZ
XY
XY
 YZ
 YZ
X Z
X Z
 ``` right

[faint pivot]

Yes

Rupture Sinking is QoHote, Suncliff, and LCB Sinner #6

[tiny cave]

For 3 status yes

[faint pivot]

Rupture Charge is flex

And Sinking Charge involves at least one Reindeer

If you want more teams, Twinhook Gregor is also an option

[ebon forge]

so it'd be

XYZ Don
 YZ Sunshower
XY  W Sang(?)
XY  W Outis(?)
X Z R Rodya or KoD(?)
X Z R Ish
 YZ Hong

[faint pivot]

Poise, Bleed, Desperado

[faint pivot]

Sunshower isn't Charge

He's self-sinking

[ebon forge]

ah right.

[faint pivot]

It's QoHote, Base Hong, Suncliff, Reindeer Ish, KoDya, insert-your-choice-of-Warp-x2

I recall Outis being used to accelerate ramp-up

I'm sure AEDDgor would help massively

[ebon forge]

MD teams rn

i think i want W Outis

[faint pivot]

Double status, Warp get good gifts

[ebon forge]

phillipclair is just cuz i liked him

[faint pivot]

Contributes to the bleed-charge-rupture-desperado team

[ebon forge]

mmm

and princesault is just cuz i havent UT3'd Ringsalt yet

out of fuckin' thread

[faint pivot]

Could always convert no?

[ebon forge]

nah i need mid don, red eyes + 4th match ryo, capote meur, middlecliff, roci or nightmare ish (for hanaish, or bygone), valenrodya, and middle outism

only one i can convert is sinclair and i wanna get devyat or lantern eventually

also UT4s

i need a lot of UT4s

[tiny cave]

I’m mostly missing egos at this point I think

The only real IDs I’m missing are rabbit Heath for chargetureed and old lady Ryoshu, the rest are outdated standard fare or season 3 IDs

[cosmic gorge]

12 minutes till ID reveal is it?

[faint pivot]

Yes iirc

[cosmic gorge]

Darn

I havent had this much anticipation since Chainsaw Man was still ongoing

[ebon forge]

ok right next ids i need should be:

• w outis (charge + rupture)
• twinhook gregor (bleed + poise)

[cosmic gorge]

Used to wait minutes before a chapter dropped

[ebon forge]

betting on valenrodya or outthias?

[faint pivot]

Kiraish Edishon 2

[ebon forge]

2 more MD then ive done 100 this season

[cosmic gorge]

Tres minutos

Any minute now...

[tiny cave]

Do they call him that because he uses a chainsaw

[cosmic gorge]

Any minute now...

[hybrid lynx]

well

[bronze zephyr]

holy shit its

uh

not outis

[cosmic gorge]

Send

[tiny cave]

Farmwatch is real?!

[cosmic gorge]

Yo what

[bronze zephyr]

muga ryo

[faint pivot]

ALREADY???

[tiny cave]

Looks like pinky ryo

[cosmic gorge]

Muga or shiomi

[tiny cave]

Separate from her bad end ID

Yeah this is Shiomi ryo

So her bad end probably is Muga then?

[faint pivot]

SHE'S GETTING TWO???

Damn

This hasn't happened since Heathcliff's canto

[sudden arch]

anything except for valencia rodion

[cosmic gorge]

Making that glut resonance work

[tiny cave]

Well her bad end was supposed to be much later on the roadmap

[bronze zephyr]

two bad ends would be. insane.

but

[tiny cave]

So it’s probably not her actual bad end

[faint pivot]

Likely not two

Just. Another.

Like how Ouficliff and Huntcliff share seasons

Which uh

[bronze zephyr]

i mean this feels pretty bad endy

[cosmic gorge]

I mean

Hong Lord came before several other heishous

[faint pivot]

...yeah I feel like Hohenheim wins out here

[cosmic gorge]

So i think this is a hong lord situation

[tiny cave]

Ye but if you look at the roadmap

[faint pivot]

Her B.E.R. was supposed to be right before intervallo pt. 2

[ebon forge]

i think she's not a bad end?

[faint pivot]

Got it on hand btw?

[ebon forge]

hopefully?

[faint pivot]

The one I have is terrible

[faint pivot]

She's not with ||Araya||

Tis bad alright

[tiny cave]

Season highlight identity is after threadspin V and RR6

[faint pivot]

Dropping before TS5 is...fair, actually

[tiny cave]

And season highlight is usually the bad end ID so this is not it

[faint pivot]

Ryoshu is both mom and daughter

Her own is out of the picture

[ebon forge]

double id maybe?

[faint pivot]

Damn...

[tiny cave]

Okayodon Ryoshu

[bronze zephyr]

yeah it might just be. she gets Muga and Shiomi IDs

[cosmic gorge]

Kind of greed they talk about in the bible

[bronze zephyr]

though this may not be muga i have no clue

its her sesaon she's allowed

[ebon forge]

i guess im grinding ryoshu shards now

[cosmic gorge]

Its oyakodon

No double id banner?

Dang
Chomping at the bit, we are

[bronze zephyr]

her eye is bleeding????

[tiny cave]

Pinkclair already exists so no double banner

[cosmic gorge]

Huhh
Arayaryo?

[ebon forge]

araya??????

[cosmic gorge]

Does manager don have a missing eye

Im seeing a Pattern

[bronze zephyr]

nope lol

[cosmic gorge]

Oh well

[bronze zephyr]

damn im extremely hyped for this friday's trailer

[tiny cave]

Ayayaryo

[cosmic gorge]

Dawg

Im coping

We get either of the bad(die) moms after this

[faint pivot]

Imagine if it was a double NF banner

With Luciocliff betraying Rocina

Being his own person

[cosmic gorge]

Coping by saying that neither valrodya nor matthoutis would make sense popping off right after big rick and asmr rodyaego's banner

[bronze zephyr]

asmr ToT

[tiny cave]

This is either gonna do wonders for or tank the rodicliff stocks

[cosmic gorge]

So we get arayaryo as the in between

[bronze zephyr]

i still dont think luciocliff would betray val rodya

[cosmic gorge]

Dog is loyal to a fault

Imagine if he spoke like a british gentleman as luciocliff

[tiny cave]

Do we think Luciocliff is still using his sword like a club (as KK Heath does)

[bronze zephyr]

surely val rodya would make him use it properly

[cosmic gorge]

She gives him snacks and compliments if hes a good textbook and black eyes if he doesnt do his form right

[buoyant stream]

i am

so confused

That is NOT what i was expecting to drop today

teaser wise

[faint pivot]

PMoon concluded we've had enough of Purple

And that Reflectrial Ricardo would be toast if we got Outthias lmao

[cosmic gorge]

Truke

[tiny cave]

Reflectrial is permanent anyway

You can bet that people are gonna solo him when Outthias drops

[buoyant stream]

i would've expected just about anything from HoS besides Ryoshu seasonal already

[ebon forge]

We’re not certain if it’s the bad end ID yet

Wait until kit reveal

[faint pivot]

I mean either way

This is HoS Ryoshu

Insane whether she's B.E.R. or not

[ebon forge]

Mmm

[bronze zephyr]

Roadmaps arent exactly set in stone it could just be an early bad end

Ryoshu envy counter..

My guess is envy counter and lust wrath pride for burn bleed poise

But that’s also assuming she’s seasonal

[faint pivot]

She's referencing Dihui's lines

That is very much a seasonal Ryoshu

[bronze zephyr]

I need Friday to come faster

Fuck do I use my s7 10 pull immediately or wait…

[bronze zephyr]

Oh god

[buoyant stream]

EVIL

[faint pivot]

I'm ngl

With the release of AEDDgor after Lampgor

There's a very good chance for there to be two seasonal, B.E.R.s

One before her escape as Dihui, one after her wish gets granted

[atomic steeple]

Double bad end
She created a time clone
We'll get to deploy two identities of ryoshu atvonce

[worthy haven]

I am not fully sold yet that this isn't the capstone id

[atomic steeple]

Wait, she doesn't have the Japanese wedding dress from tge bad end silhoutte

[worthy haven]

Ye but I don't think this says a lot since we assume she will have araya style change forming visually

[faint pivot]

Mhm

Besides

This isn't the first time ID art looks radically different from their sprite

[atomic steeple]

Us ryoshu fans get her in a wedding dress

This can only be matched by outis in a wedding suit

[gentle mulch]

are we getting punked

early ryoshu release?

[buoyant stream]

The roadmap doesn't necessarily contradict things

Even if it wasn't subject to change

Railway would be revealed on friday

And the threadspin 5 next monday

[cosmic gorge]

oh my god

[buoyant stream]

Absolutely massive patch if all 3 things hit at once

[cosmic gorge]

thad be funny

[buoyant stream]

It just feels really really early

[atomic steeple]

Canto 9 spoilers
||https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1t42jmr/index_daughter_by_bgnn/||

https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1t3s58m/the_luscious_middle_empire_by_whooiew/

[vagrant dove]

Is that a ryoshu id

Actually pranked, I thought it'd be outis lmao

[atomic steeple]

I need confirmation that's the capstone before sharding

Otherwise I build up 800 ryoshu shards to be sure I can grab the capstone

[buoyant stream]

i'm like 99% it's the capstone

Getting 2 seasonal ids in their own season would be unprecedented

The roadmap checks out pretty much

and it's literally a HoS id

[buoyant stream]

and she ISNT EVEN EARLY

like objectively

ManDon was 2 months after season start

Lord Hongler was 3 months

this is 4.5 months

[vagrant dove]

Also considering the roadmap

It wouldn't make much sense for two ryoshu ids to come out so close together (relatively)

[tiny cave]

So are we betting she’s poise burn bleed like the ego

[cosmic gorge]

will she have Poison

that would be funny

[atomic steeple]

surprise charge

so blind obsession, which has the aray outfit, works on her

[vagrant dove]

Poison comeback anyday, trust

[tiny cave]

Would be funny af if she had Araya’s passive of random bleed/burn/bind/poison inflict on hit

[cosmic gorge]

this is how we do synergy with the fuckass weird HoS teams

does araya have charge-esque mechanics?

[unique bane]

since the teaser on the roadmap has her in shiomi's outfit but the teaser has her in araya's suit, i wonder if she'll change outfits based on that past/future mechanic i remember reading about
could be neat but sounds like a lot of work

[tiny cave]

Well
Middle needs burn
Thumb needs burn
Burn is very stable so if she inflicts burn and has envy somehow she’ll work with both

Ring needs random Debuffs so if she has burn, bind and poison she’ll work with ring

Index and the other pinky ID are both poise though

So unless it’s “Thoracalgia lol” she would need poise support

[atomic steeple]

Every time an ally uses a skill with burn or enhanced s3, build up status to launch extra attacks with time clones. Build up extra if both

[tiny cave]

Ngl forgot that ego existed it’s so bad

[atomic steeple]

Give allies special buff for bleed, burn, poise

[tiny cave]

How is it not a zayin

[cosmic gorge]

is that what you're zayin

[tiny cave]

I waw at how bad it is

[cosmic gorge]

makes you laugh sometimes, HeHe

[atomic steeple]

Multiple types of poison /s

[tiny cave]

Red poison that deals damage at the end of the turn
Orange poison that deals damage when they clash or flip a coin
Blue poison that deals SP damage
And
Green poison that deals damage when you hit them

[vagrant dove]

Yellow poison that increases their stagger threshold

[gentle mulch]

just make this id omnistatus

fuck it

[tiny cave]

The first bleed burn tremor sinking poise id to really rep all 5 fingers

[dusty sigil]

Wasn’t Ryoshu’s capstone ID supposed to come out way later?

[tiny cave]

Eh not too much later

[tiny cave]

^

We were supposed to get RR6 and Threadspin V first but it could be released on the same patch as RR6 or Threadspin V

[vagrant dove]

That's for the roach emperor id in canto 49

[tiny cave]

Roach emperor was only level 90, at a rate of 5 levels per canto we should get to his level by canto XV

[vagrant dove]

And RingSang, the Director's beloathed id

(Technically)

[faint pivot]

Ouficliff is seasonal

[buoyant stream]

He isnt

[vagrant dove]

I think he's Standard Fare

Yeah

Since the Oufi don't Actually Appear

[tiny cave]

G Corp Greg and chef Greg are both seasonal

Same with mariachi Sinclair and one who shall grip Sinclair

Even Rodion has 2 seasonal IDs for season 1 - N Corp and LCCB

[vagrant dove]

Tbf that is because season 1 consists of three cantos and is the starting season, so you need at least 2 for most Sinners

[tiny cave]

Molar and Spicebush Yi Sang both seasonal

[vagrant dove]

Molar Sang is a good point though

[buoyant stream]

The OG molar ids are weird anyway

[tiny cave]

Molar Outis is fine
Molar Yisang is a 2 star
Molar Ishmael is the goat
Molar Sinclair…

[buoyant stream]

I am talking specifically about outis and sang with that statement

[gentle mulch]

if this is the seasonal identity i hope she will have some burn infliction thats notable enough to put on a burn team

and multi attack

[uneven canopy]

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⭐Peeps⭐

Can't stop thinking about that damn shirt...

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[tiny cave]

Yeah I’m [CENSORED] in the sheets

[faint pivot]

Canto 9 spoilers
||https://youtu.be/ltskL971heE||

F.U.N.F.A.C.T.

||Fucked Up Nurse Fathers Act Crazy There||

[dusty sigil]

Okay so

Ryoshu bad end

Shes mirroring Araya now

Which, is rather confusing

Because then who’s coming home?

The nursefather IDs still reference a girl they raised before that’s since escaped the HOS

[mystic ermine]

Uuaahh...

It doesnt make seen- wait

What if

[split beacon]

I think in the World of the House of Spiders, ||Araya replaces Ryoshu|| contextually

[mystic ermine]

||They dont know if- oop brb

[split beacon]

my question is simple

this is the Ryoshu seasonal ID

how the fuck would it not be the season highlight ID

[dusty sigil]

Yes

[split beacon]

clearly they just moved up the timeline

[split beacon]

amazing thank you

[hybrid lynx]

people are gonna call this bad end ryo until that id releases

[stoic fjord]

WHAT

[eternal berry]

Enough time has passed

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah like she’s only one or two banners early, and if she Isn’t seasonal somehow it would be weird to release her only two banners before seasonal

Potentially no banners early if we do get both ts5 and rr6 but

Yeah I think she’s finally here

[tired canyon]

has anyone

considered the possibility of

TWO ryoshu id

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah but it’s unlikely

[lean fjord]

Very unlikely I think

[stoic fjord]

Unlikely but also I don't think it's completely out of the question

[lean fjord]

Two seasonal IDs, especially when they're both from the same faction

[bronze zephyr]

The capstone is already a longer wait than Wild Hunt Heath

[gentle mulch]

Gregor got two IDs of the same mf so

anything is possible i suppose

[keen palm]

Dongbaek also was split into 2 ids

[bronze zephyr]

True
But I think it’s just
Early capstone

We’ll see

[gentle mulch]

can we have the ryoshushiki already

honestly kinda late for a capstone

considering the prev seasons

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah it’s a 4.5 month wait

Prev longest was whcliff at 4 months

[gentle mulch]

i just hope she has attack weight and sin generation

bluntlux is so nice with heathcardo

[stoic fjord]

Idk why but it's super funny to me that like

NSault and Sunshower Heathcliff are both so good at MD solos

Because in normal play they're dogshit

[bronze zephyr]

If I had to guess she’s 4 sin mono slash

[gentle mulch]

"me if i had potential"

[tired canyon]

god this team fucking sucks

[stoic fjord]

What is bro cooking

[gentle mulch]

what are you cooking

oh

i see

give it like three years juniper

[stoic fjord]

OH WAIT IT'S ALL BAD ENDS

[tired canyon]

i am gonna be 30 years old before this team is complete

[gentle mulch]

you'll have unc status before this team is complete

[bronze zephyr]

Wait capt Ishmael is burn bleed poise lma

[gentle mulch]

Captain Ishmael Arayashu synergy?

[keen palm]

Bedroom Community ahh team

[tired canyon]

eviLCB

[lean fjord]

I just feel like they wouldn't give two different HoS IDs to Ryoshu, when the stated thing of her capstone is to be run with the other HoS units

[keen palm]

I will say I'm not surprised we don't see Shiomi

It's not like she ever technically shows up in a fight

[bronze zephyr]

Cries
Yeah

[buoyant stream]

It's not actually

[bronze zephyr]

4 months vs 4.5 months

[buoyant stream]

Wildhunt is 2 weeks later

So no, no it's not longer than WH

[bronze zephyr]

Dang

Rip my mental math ig

[buoyant stream]

I think Ryo mostly just feels earlier for most people in the community because we've actually had ids of relevant/named characters for all our seasonal banners so far

Season 4 had a bunch of standard fare filler banners

And WH came after the 2nd intervallo

And for Hongler we also had 2 adepts and 2 normal heishou released afterwards so it's not unprecedented to have the highlight id only complete their full team after their release

[lean fjord]

this season just had a lot of seasonal IDs

and yeah most of them were based on named characters

[bronze zephyr]

I joined in s5 I think so I wasn’t subject to the wildhunt waiting period

[buoyant stream]

Yeah the wait for wild hunt was horrid

[lean fjord]

I started playing again right as Huntcliff came out funnily

[buoyant stream]

Something to put these into perspective as well:

Season 4 ran 6 months

Season 7 is going to run 7 to 8 months depending on when exactly meur canto begins

We're already at more seasonal 000s than season 4 had total

The high quota of seasonal ids already was something i really liked last season, the heishou just weren't super interesting

Atleast the way we got them

I don't think ryoshu seasonal is too early personally

I didn't expect it

But I'm not negatively surprised

I was sure they'd finish the middle team before bringing her out

And then thumb duo after

[lean fjord]

very curious how her kit is gonna work

[stoic fjord]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRAmXzzwHIU||

insane shit

164 clash

wait

the teaser is for next week right

is Ryoshu capstone deadass dropping on my birthday??

[buoyant stream]

[stoic fjord]

do not ask me what possessed me to do this

(I plan on making a KK/BL bloise team)

[lean fjord]

incomprehensible actions

[cloud wadi]

I have an uptie 4 leve 60 base Ryoshu

I’m not one to judge

[keen palm]

I can think of two reasons

[stoic fjord]

.

[keen palm]

I can think of two big reasons

[stoic fjord]

ok bro

[stoic fjord]

I saw one with Pinky Sinclair that popped off

[keen palm]

I still don't really get how to make PInky Sinclair work

seems like his damage always kinda sucks

[stoic fjord]

well it was MD so

he had like six trillion slash gifts from the BL and KK active that also helped him

in normal play idk I don't have him yet

[lean fjord]

yeah I'm not doing that achievement lmao

[stoic fjord]

I'm genuinely considering it because of the completionist banner

[glad fable]

Spend 2-3 turns guarding then murder everyone with S2/S3

Unfortunately this doesn’t work too well in mirror dungeons

[stoic fjord]

like his story fight but he locks in after instead

[lean fjord]

yeah he's too slow for MD IME

[keen palm]

Guard just gives him poise right?

[lean fjord]

when he does get some build up, he's pretty good though IMO

[tired canyon]

maybe the ryoshu id is gonna help him

[stoic fjord]

that too

[glad fable]

It gives him a lot of poise yeah

[glad fable]

I swear her S3 is always less powerful than you’d think it would be

[worthy haven]

Ok finally did normal trial rufo. Now on to hard

[stoic fjord]

imo hard is easier than normal due to turn count

gl tho

[tired canyon]

useable only in MD

[worthy haven]

Ok then I should be gucci

[buoyant stream]

i mean from my experience he performs adequately Turn 1 and then is (basically) fully online from T2 on so i can't say i agree

[stoic fjord]

I wish we had E.G.O gifts for some factions that don't have em

[worthy haven]

wait

you can use 3 teams in the refract trial?

[stoic fjord]

yeah

[atomic steeple]

R corp

[stoic fjord]

like the Fraud Duo, it'd be nice for them to get a gift

R Corp too

[worthy haven]

huh

altough

I dont think it would have speed up my clear

[stoic fjord]

prolly not

the fastest clear is 6 turns with 2 teams

[keen palm]

Who even is the Fraud Duo

[worthy haven]

nshu and nsang

[keen palm]

Oh

[stoic fjord]

@ssmr_rolling on twitter I think

Canto 9 spoilers

[glad fable]

What life would be like if Ricardo was the middle nursefather

[stoic fjord]

the good AU

[keen palm]

Still bad because ryoshu is still being raised as a child soldier to wield a memory devouring sword

[main scaffold]

Ricardo isn’t exactly a saint either

[stoic fjord]

yes I'm being a little silly

credits at end I think

loud warning

[worthy haven]

I really wanna know if this is a colour fixer

[tiny cave]

The good AU
404 not found, Yan, Ricardo, 404 not found, Jia Qiu

[stoic fjord]

unlikely

WAIT NO I SEE IT

SILVER SOMETHING

[karmic escarp]

silver bullet

if i had to guess

[stoic fjord]

the text spacing feels kinda nahhh on that

unless the second line is offset

but I don't think so either way, I don't get gun vibes

the letter immediately before also doesn't look like an L

WAIT

SILVER GAUNTLET

SILVER
GAUNTLET

[karmic escarp]

oh that makes sense

[stoic fjord]

HOLY SHIT THE SPACING MAKES SENSE TOO

[karmic escarp]

and theyve got a big fist

[stoic fjord]

notably an armored gauntlet

and, yeah, front page, probably a color

[gentle mulch]

it'd be kinda crazy if that was an actual foreshadowing of a color reveal

[stoic fjord]

it's 100% going to be some N Corp color fixer trust

[gentle mulch]

i hope

[stoic fjord]

the knight vibes, the color scheme...

I think this mf from n corp

[split beacon]

what

we literally know of knightly orders that exist in the city juniper

[karmic escarp]

doesnt really if you ask me

the fist made me think 'prosthetic'

[stoic fjord]

sorry I'm genuinely stupid lmao idk what I was trying to cook there

[split beacon]

the Zwei Association has a knightly order under its umbrella and X Corp also employs a knightly order of Excavator guards

"being a knight" is a plausible job in the City

which is honestly badass I won't lie

[keen palm]

Most Western fashion is european knights

[stoic fjord]

wait this guy could definitely be a color originating from Zwei West

[split beacon]

like you gotta respect it

[stoic fjord]

agreed

[split beacon]

some peoples' job description in the City is normal shit like working retail or doing an office job

and some motherfuckers are out there putting on plate armor and swinging around swords

not even normal Fixer levels of it either they're full on knights, attached to knightly orders, who roll around doing knightly shit

[vagrant dove]

I love this setting so much

Like it should feel wildly incongrous but it doesn't

Also just beat refracterial rufo with a furioso clash into her big skill, it was cinema

[worthy haven]

RIGHT!?

[stoic fjord]

we decided on Silver Gauntlet

[worthy haven]

oh ye i def would agree with that

[split beacon]

healbane pfp goes nuts

god, I hate to say it, but Project Moon truly has the sauce for some wackass multiplayer spinoff game

[worthy haven]

ye the moment i saw the new icon i had to change my pfp

[stray sleet]

Oh that's the new healbane icon? That's sick

[stoic fjord]

PMoon MMORPG...

[gentle mulch]

PJM as the most depressing mmorpg ever

like

logistics in foxhole but as an mmo

[worthy haven]

and M also seems to have knights!

[ebon forge]

trying to figure out how to write about limbus with the topic of "How do authors/directors/artists use metafiction storytelling techniques to influence their readers' interpretation and understanding of their work? "

i know where the metafiction is (gestures broadly at clear all cathy)

[worthy haven]

I wanna see M knights really bad

[ebon forge]

just idfk how to write it

[gentle mulch]

context could extend back to playing with the fourth wall in ancient theatre

[ebon forge]

trueeeeee

i think my topics for this essay are kinda funny, its fuckin Limbus and Magus of the Library

[gentle mulch]

ohh

I'm not familiar gl

[bronze zephyr]

i think i have decided to not bother with supressing whitenight for Paradise weapon, i have 100% dissolution and a copy of the armor its fineee lmao

[cosmic gorge]

Base ryo is pretty goated anyhow so among the 0 ids she seems decent enough to level

[cosmic gorge]

Wonder what ssmr means

My lancer brain thinks of the Lancer module with the same abbreviation

[gentle mulch]

i really need that ricardo fight

i just hate rufo's fight so much

it's so miserable if you dont pop one limbillion bleed count and 9000 statuses on turn 2

[cosmic gorge]

Its miserable if you dont run bleed and sinking i think

Otherwise im popping core twice each time

I mean

Popping morositas

[atomic steeple]

Lancer brained

[cosmic gorge]

And either irae or the speed halfer one

[keen palm]

Hey @cloud wadi is this written in Korean at all or is this just made up letters

[cosmic gorge]

Hah

[cloud wadi]

it's

it's in english?

it says Fixers Monthly

Special issue

silver bullet

but I don't recognize the letters at the bottom

might be conlang

[keen palm]

Yknow

Im just gonna blame mobile

[cloud wadi]

hilariously

it turns out that sweeper language

might be actual conlang

people have noticed that the numbers are not actually random

they are consistent between 'words' in the 'translated sweeper talk'

and actually follow korean grammar rules

[stoic fjord]

I argued Silver Gauntlet due to what could be the edge of a T coming from the edge of her thumb at the top as well as the length of the word

[cloud wadi]

some korean fanbase are working on decoding it apparently

[stoic fjord]

tbf we did just get the largest sample of it yet so

[cloud wadi]

mmm

no yeah silver gauntlet makes sense

[stoic fjord]

especially given their appearance

with their fist (notably armored/metallic) being the focus

[cosmic gorge]

The silver gauntlet guy looks like a hoyoverse armoredchar

[gentle mulch]

yeah and i dont have docenion

[cosmic gorge]

(w)oof

Sharding?

Shes fun

[fluid whale]

he looks like the guy they send out to die to reinforce the waifu focus in ZZZ

Banyue?

[cosmic gorge]

Wait hes dead

[fluid whale]

no I meant in terms of banners

like, they do a male focus 3 star banner but it's either short or directly before a super hyped other character so nobody pulls for it and they go "oh, well, metrics show that this banner underperformed, guess the audience doesn't want this"

[cosmic gorge]

Ah i ser

*see

[fluid whale]

it happened with manato as well I'm p sure, I do not play the game at all and most of the people who were following it in spaces I'm in have switched to Star Rail

[gentle mulch]

im saving for thumdion...

[lean fjord]

I have ~800 boxes still saved, so I'm not too worried

[cosmic gorge]

Im greedy
Already sharded rinrodya and then im sharding her asmr ego

[gentle mulch]

im going to shard fashu

allegory

sunset ego

thumbcliff

and some other stuff idk but i have shards sitting for those ids

[dusty sigil]

Yi Sang is the sinner of IDs who have really strong skill 2s that are maybe better then their skill 1s with Pequod first mate and ring student

[buoyant stream]

i got like 1.5k crates at this point

and not much to really use em on because i gamble anyway

[cosmic gorge]

i like it when harpoon sang goes HM HM HM HM stabs you a hundred times

[dusty sigil]

It’s awesome

I love coin reuse

[faint pivot]

Thank you for this educational video Juniper I am now confident I am not failing EconDev

[stoic fjord]

you're welcome

[faint pivot]

Imagine if there was some wiki-warping lore in the first few lines the sweepers had in Ruina before Angela started translating them

[worthy haven]

Ira furioso vs hard rufo sheesh

sadly had to use it since normal one was hopeless 😭

hard mode rufo done!

both first try yippie. Normal 14 and Hard 16

[cosmic gorge]

much better than i

(18 and 19)

[tired canyon]

holy shit its johnny silverhand

[keen palm]

https://www.tumblr.com/lcb-updates/815694677625995264/05-05?source=share

lcb-updates

[05-05]🌇🎂...

Tumblr · May 4, 2026, 3:04 PM

Also happy birthday mersault

[stoic fjord]

happy birthday meur

[cosmic gorge]

Callisto would run dnd 5e send post

[wild mango]

is the refractrial stuff permanent?

[faint pivot]

Ricardo will be

Rufo isn't iirc

[keen palm]

I don't think it'll be specifically Ricardo

but just like, rotating bosses out

[wild mango]

i cant really figure rufo out

i did ok in the story fight but now im getting my ass kicked

[cosmic gorge]

Be lustful the sad

(lust and gloom teams)

[keen palm]

I didn't struggle with her first phase but her second always kicked my ass

[cosmic gorge]

Every three turns

In her second phase
Have something to prep for her AoE you must clash

Popping the salt ego a turn before that can help in my experience

[stoic fjord]

Aiui butterfly sinking is also strong second phase since you won't have students bodyblocking

[karmic escarp]

oh

[cosmic gorge]

its interesting to me that la manchaland has two packs

this and one that just has the ferris wheel

wonder who awaits you in the latter

[karmic escarp]

just the wheel? thats hilarious

[cosmic gorge]

nono

the pack cover

so its probably not daddy quixote that you'll fight

sancho??

or the trio

[karmic escarp]

ohhh

im taking verg

[cosmic gorge]

verg gives candy (helps with longevity)

[karmic escarp]

yup

[karmic escarp]

master of la manchaland (the one in the screenshot) is in fact dad quixote

[cosmic gorge]

mmhmm

now i wonder what the other one is

[karmic escarp]

jesus h christ

that last fucking floor man
note to self: dont fucking take pack that has stone calendar on it

i have no clue what i fed to kiramael to make her so fucking jacked

didnt get a single secret boss but i did get a bunch of the old secret relics and didnt realize until the last floor that they dont give coin power anymore

[faint pivot]

Funky, getting the build-up off of the students in phase 1 was harder for me

[keen palm]

Just with the reflection buffs she just stops taking damage in phase 2

[faint pivot]

TIR that there's skills that ignore defense skills and therefore Valencina's evade

In other news

https://youtu.be/hRAmXzzwHIU

[vagrant dove]

First phase was actually harder for me as well

The main problem with the second phase is you gotta nuke her sanity and keep winning clashes or she'll kill you with her big mass attack

Which is why sinking teams do well (also the buffs to sinking)

[faint pivot]

I mean she also is hurt more by Sinking iirc

She's also Gloom weak so Butterfly excells

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[faint pivot]

But either way yea, that's simple enough

Doing phase 1 locked with Bleed was...

Well, it was manageable, especially with all the shiny AoEs Bleed got recently, but

[vagrant dove]

I used bleed burn

[faint pivot]

Damn them clashes ain't clashing

[vagrant dove]

With Phase 2 you can use skill 1s sometimes

With Phase 1, good luck

[faint pivot]

How'd you get past the Pride resist?

[vagrant dove]

Didn't run MB Outis: ring team alongside Dawnclair, Middle Ish and Hornetsault

Worked well I think

[faint pivot]

Ooooh

That's an interesting combo

[vagrant dove]

Hornetsault is really good bc attack weight

[faint pivot]

I suppose you don't really need everything in red for Dawnclair or Harmony

Which Ringers actually

HoS plus?

[vagrant dove]

Fauvist Ringdya

Also Contempt Aweshu for the AOE

[faint pivot]

Ah

[vagrant dove]

Allen Gregor isn't particuarly useful imo bc you can't really get Night Awls on her so long as she has her Goons, not unless you get lucky

[faint pivot]

Mhm

Used him for a bit before I used Pregor instead

[stoic fjord]

I found him (Allegory) fairly useful just because he finished off low health goons but that was in my first story completion

Rather than my end setup of genuinely just bloodfiends

[faint pivot]

We're talking about Rufo right

Oh

[stoic fjord]

Yuh

[faint pivot]

Pregor, mb

[faint pivot]

-# My brain short-circuited and thought you were using the subject to finish the goons

Clearly I need more sleep

Lmao

Anyway I made the choice decision to Suffer by using the N Duo supported by the HoS Ringers + B.F.s

Took a bit to narrow who to choose but Manchadya plus Cassault supported the rest of the team well

My usual problem of the team wiping everyone and costing CAR her stacks vanished as a problem thanks to Rufo being a thing

[vagrant dove]

From my experience MB Outis doesn't really work with the resistances and generally needs a lot of time to build up anyways, especially since the team I used is not giving the pride res for her ego

[faint pivot]

Fell Sang wasn't exactly at his best thanks to the Pride resist but he helped make the most out of the Bleed she was dishing

[atomic steeple]

I need more bleed egos, hm

My only aoes are hex nail, fer scissor, and don lesbian, but don is kept in the backline

[faint pivot]

Don held back in Bleed, unthinkable... /lh

I know a ton of really performant Bleed builds that forego Manadon

That is both awesome and saddening at the same time

[stoic fjord]

Are they truly performing without Manadon aura farming

[faint pivot]

Nay, hence the sadness

[vagrant dove]

Aura based team construction (this will be the HOS team)

Yes Riensang, we see the fit

[atomic steeple]

PLus, don lesbian ego needs a lot of eaten bloodfeast to maximize power

[cosmic gorge]

reading up on expressionism

i wonder what Ring Expressionists would think of Carmen

Its typical trait is to present the world solely from a subjective perspective, distorting it radically for emotional effect in order to evoke moods or ideas.[1][2] Expressionist artists have sought to express the meaning[3] of emotional experience rather than physical reality.[3][4]

[atomic steeple]

Flame devil arc

where they are all getting distorted

[unique bane]

https://old.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1t51qj2/the_purpose_of_sora_lorcanto_9_spoilers/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[stoic fjord]

What is lesbian ego

[cosmic gorge]

carmilla i presume

[faint pivot]

YMC yea

[stoic fjord]

"Critiques... that she's a very shallow persona."

...that's... the entire point?

[vagrant dove]

I liked this writeup, I thought it was pretty good

[stoic fjord]

Like that's the entire fucking point?

[vagrant dove]

and yeah, a lot of the apprentices are shallow bc of their respective Nursefather's abuse

[atomic steeple]

Mircalla
Based on the lesbian vampire

[stoic fjord]

Like, the point is that none of the Apprentices get to self-actualize?

The illiteracy is dire 😭

[vagrant dove]

Albina's whittled herself away chasing Callisto's art, Lucio's stuck in the Textbook mindset

[stoic fjord]

Save me bro

This fandom is going to kill me spiritually

[vagrant dove]

and Kira, of course, still views the world childishly

everything's like one of her shows (pre-intervallo)

[stoic fjord]

The entire point! Is that none of them are anything beyond an extension of their nursefather!

[vagrant dove]

its kind of dire, I still see people arguing that the Middle is the best of the fingers, even after c9 and 9.5

(part of) the point of the canto is that they all suck! The Nursefathers represent everything Wrong about the Five Fingers

[cosmic gorge]

Kira was the only one to escape because her papa was a shallow pos who wasnt present enough to mold her into a version of himself

[cosmic gorge]

please please please let us throttle Hermes with our bare hands

Dante I need you to lock in and tell a god to fuck offff

[vagrant dove]

Shiomi Yoru's kind of a special case because of her circumstances (being trapped and forced into her position), but even still

[stoic fjord]

I do think it's true to a practicality standpoint but what I see is not that so yeah

Also somehow there are Matthias defenders

[cosmic gorge]

i picked the sweeper pack instead of the twining threads pack in floor 5

im so sorry rufo i promise ill pick your pack again next md 🥺

[cosmic gorge]

I GOT TWINNING THREADS AGAIN

WOOHOO

[fickle crown]

Me when

When

Sweepr

[gentle mulch]

i cant wait for another refractriallll

pleaseeee

[fickle crown]

Tbf it's also because she was never so dependent (or codependent) to the point where she'd stay with Matthias

Like the others are all almost debilitatingly stuck to their nursefathers in ways that would make leaving near impossible

[stoic fjord]

Update today, right? What're we getting?

[tiny cave]

Reflectrial Ricardo

[cloud wadi]

Death

In other words

[stoic fjord]

Wonderous

[gentle mulch]

splendid

the only thing that would ruin the ricardo fight is like

A new passive that states that ricardo gets 10 protection - number of missing middle little brothers x 2

and every attack with 1 atk wgt gets deferred

[keen palm]

To be fair they all seem to be trapped by their own respective organizations

[buoyant stream]

i mean. correct me if i'm wrong but at least from what we know Shiomi is the only one who didn't do anything to "deserve" getting thrown into the HoS

[keen palm]

As far as we know, though thats because we only know that for everyone else due to passive flavor text

[gentle mulch]

pretty much just kidnapped

[keen palm]

Although considering the goal of the house of spiders is for Ryoshu to eventually erase all the Nursefathers anyway

The Pinky was still fine with her dying for whatever reason

[gentle mulch]

Still don't know as much about the Pinky as I'd hope

And it still does show the Pinky's contradiction, too

[buoyant stream]

i might be reading a bit into it but to me Shiomi's whole role in the HoS Operation felt completely and utterly dehumanizing with her being used as practically an incubator for Ryoshu and then being left to rot

[gentle mulch]

Yes

[buoyant stream]

The other nursefathers all had some degree of agency left

[gentle mulch]

Dehumanizing for a Finger that is theorized to represent the virtue of Humanity

[buoyant stream]

Yep

[gentle mulch]

i believe Renclair namedrops the way of Humanity, but since it's the City i imagine it's a different kind of Humanity than the concept of Ren

...Who is also the Apprentice name

[buoyant stream]

i don't think the way she was treated excuses her treatment of Ryoshu

but fuck

i get it

(not the abuse part)

but the way we've seen her act

[ebon forge]

callisto is kinda just weird and autistic and just needs actual friends

Shiomi's crashing tf out is justified she just needed to point it at the other NFs / fingers

[buoyant stream]

yea

Most valid crashout/being bitter as fuck

[ebon forge]

Val is an alcoholic and should never have been a parent in the first place

[buoyant stream]

but not a valid outlet to dump all that on your daughter

[ebon forge]

Matthias is a fucking asswipe, the guy with the lightning has a point fr

[gentle mulch]

Justified crashout still abuse

[buoyant stream]

correct, im not defending the abuse

and if it comes across that way then i do apologize

[gentle mulch]

not at all, I'm just expressing that yeah

she still sucks

just

yk

not for a bad reason

[keen palm]

I feel like the point is that all of the Nursefathers were abusive and you kinda can't justify one of their abuse more than the other without seeming arbitrary

[gentle mulch]

I would have flipped my shit if I was kidnapped and forced to raise a kid

[ebon forge]

same

[gentle mulch]

Matthias just sucks as like

an entirety

[tired canyon]

my level 7 lcb don quixote when we fight an arbiter and they lock our ability to ressurect or use ids

https://tenor.com/pvKhS4FHonM.gif

[gentle mulch]

Basically just a dnd5e skit riffing on a Chaotic Neutral character

[ebon forge]

I feel like of all the NFs the only one who has any like, excuse is Calisto and most of that is because he's just a big idiot who doesnt know how to interact with people outside of "pwetty art"

[gentle mulch]

forced base dq stage

[gentle mulch]

he's a genuine parent but he's so dogshit at being a parent and out of touch that it loops back into abuse

[ebon forge]

exactly

[keen palm]

You say that, but Matthias did make it is his mission to love Ryoshu and try and make her happy.

Like he was the only one excited about raising a baby

[buoyant stream]

okay but that got debunked in the intervallo

[ebon forge]

gestures at Kira

[gentle mulch]

intervallo moment

[ebon forge]

if he didnt do that id agree

and also that

[buoyant stream]

like Ryoshu very explicitly stated that he did NOT care about what is actually important to her/makes her happy

[gentle mulch]

mfw It's my mission to make my daughter happy so i cut my rebound daughter in half lol

[keen palm]

He was shit at it but that doesn't retcon the other examples of him genuinely showing care

[tired canyon]

listen,being bad at it doesnt mean that he diodnt try

[gentle mulch]

ehhh

[keen palm]

Like his final flashback in the Canto, him genuinely hurt and not writing her down in the Book of Vengeance, constantly hyping her up

Again, they were all abusive, and picking favorites is arbitrary to me

[gentle mulch]

the idea of Family to the Middle is less like how people irl see family

[buoyant stream]

That exact statement is, imo, infinitely more applicable to Callisto than Mat

[gentle mulch]

yeaa like

[keen palm]

They both actually did try

Matthias was the only one we know of that actively took Ryoshu on trips out of the House to try and have fun

[gentle mulch]

Matthias to me is the parent that has a family because it's what he's supposed to do and achieving that is some measure of success

being protective of family the way you would be like of property

not really caring for their well being but because seeing your family do well means you're succeeding

And then you cut them in half because you wanna win a fight

or loot a cool sword

[bronze zephyr]

Seconding this, like
Matthias was materialistic and didn’t connect emotionally with either daughter but he did ultimately try

As did Callisto

[keen palm]

Again, I'm not saying Matthias was a good parent or that he is somehow less abusive, I'm saying labeling him as "the worst" is not indicated by the text and is just sorta saying "the other types of abuse are fine in comparison"

[ebon forge]

i dont think thats what was being said

[buoyant stream]

I think it's not about excusing any of their given behaviors

[ebon forge]

that too

[buoyant stream]

But i think the reasons they've each had as presented in the story through their actions and what we've been told from those interacting with them are, in fact, not equal

[gentle mulch]

yeah Matthias Sucks in specific way that I really don't have any sympathy for lmao

[stoic fjord]

I think Matthias is just the most overtly hateable

The others are terrible in a way easier for me to at least feel bad for them

Matthias, ||on the other hand, had me pogging when I saw his dome get chopped||

[ebon forge]

Calisto needs a hug and someone as genuine as him whose actually well adjusted first of all

[stoic fjord]

Vs Valencina just making me feel kind of terrified

Callisto just making me feel sad

Etc.

[gentle mulch]

Callisto needs to wake the fuck up and learn to be a person instead of an Artist

[stoic fjord]

Matthias is impossible to feel anything for and ||I cheered when he got ganked||

[buoyant stream]

I can muster some sympathy for Shiomi, Rien and Callisto

[gentle mulch]

Rien I can feel sorrta bad for sometimes

[keen palm]

Matthias and Callisto were both suffering from the loneliness of not having anyone that truly understood the things you like shaping you into someone who can no longer understand other people.

[gentle mulch]

Callisto is just pathetic in a pity sense. Shiomi to me is straight up like wow they did you dirty

[keen palm]

And I think brushing off the writing as Matthias just being a shallow thug is like, idk

selling the whole canto short

[ebon forge]

deadass most of them probably just needed a grade 9 therapist

[stoic fjord]

He's not just that

[gentle mulch]

The Color Therapist

[stoic fjord]

I just feel the least for him

He's an interesting character and contributed to the canto i just didn't care that he died

[gentle mulch]

i cared a lot when he died

i was cheering

[stoic fjord]

True

[gentle mulch]

I also cheered when Callisto died because Marton needs the fucking runback

[stoic fjord]

He's not less important, just inherently very gravedanceable

Vs. Callisto being very wet cat

[stoic fjord]

True

[gentle mulch]

i hope that teal mf tears you apart in hell Callisto

but character wise he is more sympathetic

[stoic fjord]

Implying Marton would go to hell.. 😞

[keen palm]

He worked for Limbus Company

[gentle mulch]

Gabriel from Ultrakill went to hell

[keen palm]

he's definitely going to hell

[stoic fjord]

Okay true

[gentle mulch]

and Ultrakill is basically the Bible

[keen palm]

I will also say I'm being more contrarian than normal because this thread specifically singles Matthias out of the lot and I will be honest I find it kinda grating to see constantly.

It feels weird

[stoic fjord]

He's the easiest to write slander for

[gentle mulch]

Valencina I just hate a normal amount. Like I get why she's like that but I don't have any sympathies for it

[keen palm]

I also hate slander posting in general

[stoic fjord]

Vs. criticism of the others being genuine analysis

[bronze zephyr]

I think Matthias killing Kira just. Really makes people hate him