ebon forge
i am so pmoon brained that my essay is a metafiction analysis of station 11 through limbus company as metametafiction
#Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.
cosmic gorge
Put meta on your meta
tiny cave
no outism
cosmic gorge
How have we never pulled even a single Outis EGO
Good news
Purple Scissors is free
main scaffoldBOT
That's why we said pulled 😅
In other news
Fuck how do you build tremor sinking
main scaffoldBOT
Do you even use tremor bursts for damage or do you just do tremor Decay stuff
cosmic gorge
~~Fuck how do you build tremor sinking~~
The three trinking ids, and two sinking and two tremor ids
...Trinking sounds like a bad word :v
dusty sigil
That’s worse
tiny cave
~~Fuck how do you build tremor sinking~~
for md?
tiny cave
you need 2 walp units
cosmic gorge
Whats trimping
tiny cave
for normal content? its not real
keen palm
see the attatched gif
main scaffoldBOT
Yes
Gnocchian with Meatballs ↩️
cosmic gorge
Rocket riding...?
keen palm
Trimping is a movement tech in tf2 demo can do where he abuses his charge on a slop to go flying
tiny cave
old lady ryo
udjat outis
hanafudamael
2 sinking ids (probably riensang/spicebush for mde and index don or rufodion)
2 tremor ids (probably leisault and allen greg)
glad fable
Rufodion? Is she that good for sinking?
tiny cave
Rufodion? Is she that good for sinking?
it's MD so the actual infliction doesn't matter
cosmic gorge
i aint putting in the Mao i do not care
tiny cave
her s3-2 is aoe and that's pretty much all that does matter
cosmic gorge
Cook
keen palm
I am cooking up a plot for this pathfinder pjm game
cloud wadi
nice
keen palm
I think part of the vibe is going to be the party getting killed on a mission and being in debt to a mysterious patron who pays for their life insurance
cloud wadi
is that the opening hook
tiny cave
The secret of the Demi-glacé sauce
keen palm
Yeah
cloud wadi
"You all died and was brought back to life by an unknown benefactor"
keen palm
well
cloud wadi
"Also you are like a million ahn in debt"
keen palm
I think its gonna be the first session
With the ending going to be that they get brutally killed
keen palm
I thinkkkkkkkk
Either a high ranking wing employee or a (at least seemingly) distorted fixer
cloud wadi
that would be a good introduction to either one of the heights of corporate power or the distortion phenomenon I guess
keen palm
I think it depends if I have them playing fixers or a syndicate
split beacon
there's a REALLY good hook here actually where the players are a bunch of yokels who start an office on their own and then immediately get hellishly in over their heads, and then a mysterious patron goes "yeah I like what your office is about so I got you life insurance, you work for me now"
gives them a shared identity (their Fixer office) as well as a reason to do the missions you design for them (the patron holding Life Insurance over their heads), plus you have a contrivance for keeping character death seriousness low and a secondary hook of whoever they got killed by being a major player in the local Backstreet they're working in
also parties love having a base and, like, facilities to upgrade and iterate on, it makes it feel like they've got mutual skin in the game of succeeding as a group and working together
keen palm
Yeyeye
I am also thinking that the mysterious patron is definitely gonna be someone inspired by the Distortion Ensemble
split beacon
so they're lowkey trying to get the office members to distort?
main scaffoldBOT
keen palm
Nah
I think the goal is more to overthrow the head
I am also considering
W Corp....
split beacon
fixer offices technically have to take jobs from anyone who can pay rather than working for a specific employer, but that's easy to remedy by just having their patron assign them an office rep (or a ""office rep"" who's just a mouthpiece over the phone) who only takes jobs that forward the patron's goals
keen palm
Hrmmm
I wonder
If i should make the patron King Arthur
And make him a fish, ant, hawk, goose, and badger
As a once and future king reference
What district do you think would be good
I dont wanna do T or H corp I think
Or U Corp
split beacon
R Corp could be fun
we know it's like W Corp in a lot of ways
J and P Corp are both ripe for worldbuilding fun and have some neat gimmicks
split beacon
N Corp might be a tough sell just because the taboos are so strict and easy to run afoul of
Rodion's from District 25, so Y Corp.
which we know absolutely nothing about, other n' it's cold
cloud wadi
V Corp is possible Venetian themed
P corp seems to be New York kinda vibe from me
W Corp nest we know surprisingly little about
Other than its residents being insufferable
fickle crown
P corp seems to be New York kinda vibe from me
P Corp is like WW2 era future aesthetic if you get what I mean
bronze zephyr
🤔
bronze zephyr
Two days until Matthias Outis is totally revealed trust
atomic steeple
Hohenheim: I want her feet bare!
atomic steeple
tiny cave
atomic steeple
Scissors...
Can be used to cut cloth
Such as cloth from a loom
Outis has a scissor identity and ego
stoic fjord
Oh.
oh....
tiny cave
Scissors...
Can be used to cut cloth
Such as cloth from a loom
Outis has a sciss...
it's cos ||outis scissors penelope|| 
atomic steeple
Oh.
*oh....*
Odysseus was also a descendant of hermes
stoic fjord
Odysseus was also a descendant of hermes
Outis is so fucked
stoic fjord
Evil Valencina be like "I'm so proud of you, Lucio."
buoyant stream
sometimes i really am as simple minded as Don's Persona. I see the red mist, i start giggling
atomic steeple
Yan ishmael id
What do you guys think?
buoyant stream
i'm intrigued, what's the pitch?
atomic steeple
Ishmael is prone to both disobedience but also working within the rules of organizations
Like how she was the most rebellious crewmate in the pequod yet still bought into "just bear it until the end of the trip"
Her spiralling while technically still working with the bus team
her desire for meaning, and conflict about finding direction in life
bronze zephyr
Yeah index Ishmael feels extremely thematically relevant esp with yan
Ishmael is absolutely the type to make fake prescripts as a test only to figure out everything was meaningless and break down
R Corp Ishmael’s story is really short but she also puts a lot of effort into researching the shady aspects of it
atomic steeple
Give yanmael minus coin skills, and a bonus to minus coin egos
faint pivot
Two days until Matthias Outis is totally revealed trust
Bookmark for the morrow
Gn y'all, conking out
atomic steeple
night
bronze zephyr
Gnn
stoic fjord
my team is losing MDE but I'm going for it anyways
Hong Lord, 3 Mao
we not getting poise AT ALL
stoic fjord
Hong Lord, 3 Mao
oh also Wu Sang, Xishmael, and Cockcliff
atomic steeple
I totally messed up the spiral of contempt fight on mdh, but it killed itself with bleed
gentle mulch
holy shit this is only slightly more expensive than fftf
stoic fjord
holy shit this is only slightly more expensive than fftf
this shit is genuinely going to pop off insane in bloodfiends
stoic fjord
holy shit this is only slightly more expensive than fftf
burn and bleed...
VALENCINA RODION CONFIRMED TREMOR/POISE/BURN/BLEED !!!!!
gentle mulch
i would love valencina rodion to just be another crazy fuckoff cracked ID with a rapier
Rodion isn't special because of themes and such Rodion isn't special because she uses an axe instead of trying out the rapier
lowk it would fix her complex
why do you think we never got cinqdion
stoic fjord
Cinq Rodion...
Valencina Rodion I think would be like. trying to be special again
like she's had a taste and now it's gone
gentle mulch
valencina rodion is definitely permanently crashing out over the whole special thing like crazy
imagine being the head of an organization and now being able to tell sonya to his face like
I can actually do things while youre sitting on your ass
and then three days later falling from grace and turning into a hidden bruise
vagrant dove
Outis is so fucked
Also a favourite of Athena and made an enemy of Poseidon
So three gods
stoic fjord
fuuuuck we're gonna get like
stuff with Valencina and Lucio IDs that's just genuinely heartbreaking aren't we
vagrant dove
Pro: Disposal
Con: that uptie story is gonna be fucked up
This season has been so fire
I think it might genuinely be PM's best
Tying with 5 at least
gentle mulch
stuff with Valencina and Lucio IDs that's just genuinely heartbreaking aren't we
heathcliff that goes from a stray that left wuthering heights to another abusive household full of abandoned strays that can't recognize they're strays
like yeah
it's gonna be fucking awful
devastating
atomic steeple
Going fer scissors is a great ego
gentle mulch
it is
atomic steeple
My bleed team has so much envy
gentle mulch
free ego gen
fickle crown
stuff with Valencina and Lucio IDs that's just genuinely heartbreaking aren't we
Rodion getting the Valencina ID because she never got a Hindley ID
stoic fjord
TRUE!!
fickle crown
Promoted from abusive sibling to abusive parental figure
atomic steeple
https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1t2bpz0/ryoshus_capstone_id_and_the_concept_of_a_seasonal/
Some flaws, as the top commenter points out
I think she will get backwards and forwards flow buffs to toggle between modes
gentle mulch
the skill slot addition would be a crazy power creep
but i assume that the extra slot buffs are just to make the Sinner's Turn shine
Ryoshu has been getting a lot of IDs lately with extra attacks, so I wouldn't be surprised if the capstone just took that concept and dialed it up higher
atomic steeple
Yeah
I think she will be like ring lu
And have skills specifically for extra moves
vagrant dove
I had this video turn up in my feed again, I think this is my favourite PM meme honestly
dusty sigil
Kinda interesting how unlike corporist and fauvists, pointslists don’t wield their artworks as weapons
Instead simply wielding their tools
Instead the violence itself is their artwork
Each dot of blood and paint being the image
atomic steeple
Dihui star lines: Mang of Resentment (怨望), Mang of Futility (非望), Mang of Dismay (落望). What rages on is only my wretched heart.
dusty sigil
Is that Shiomi or Araya’s line?
atomic steeple
||Araya, both as shiomi and as her adult self, when using a specific skill||
dusty sigil
Thanks
elder wigeon
dusty sigil
Also chat, why is ring Meursault the only ID to my knowledge who has the Counter popup occur when hitting someone with his clashable counter?
dusty sigil
Thank you Morgana
stoic fjord
I had this video turn up in my feed again, I think this is my favourite PM meme ...
fly my broken wild hunt gallop on rocinante unloving compass
bronze zephyr
Also chat, why is ring Meursault the only ID to my knowledge who has the Counter...
Wdym?
dusty sigil
When Ring Meursault hits someone with his clashable counter, text saying counter will flash above him for each coin
Which is normal for counters but doesn’t normally happen for clashable counters
bronze zephyr
Oh hm
dusty sigil
heres the example
main scaffoldBOT
The booklet told him this is what counters do and by god he’s sticking to it
dusty sigil
Lol
vagrant dove
fly my broken wild hunt gallop on rocinante unloving compass
what is this, some sort of limbus company
vagrant dove
put her in for another 30 days and she'll be colour level
dusty sigil
Man, Ring Sang skill 2 still does crazy good damage
main scaffoldBOT
(I wonder how much his grades would improve if he stopped following it to the letter)
Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️
dusty sigil
Significantly probably
His technique is flawless
But it’s also just rote copying from the textbook
bronze zephyr
Mhm
No wonder he got so far in the thumb
vagrant dove
but technical perfection alone isn't what the ring wants
which is why I don't think he can advance beyond student
he'd do numbers in the Index
stoic fjord
dusty sigil
Mhm
No wonder he got so far in the thumb
Interestingly he also chafes against the practices of the thumb there too
Despite being objectively successful, a high ranking capo and one of the thumb’s strongest assets in the east, he still has these strange hang ups
Where he asks permission to do things that no other capo would ever think to ask
Asking permission to smoke a high quality cigar in his own office from someone who’s neither a member of the thumb, or even high enough in the city’s hierarchy to be above him
lean fjord
I think Meur would superficially fit into the Fingers, but still not really fit in
Index Meur would probably have trouble with interpretation of the prescripts
dusty sigil
Yah, he can always preform the role has required but in any system as inherently irrational as the fingers, Meursault will find himself uncomfortable
Every finger is contradictory in a way really
A combination of rules that leads to him not truly knowing what to do even as he finds personal success in it
stoic fjord
Asking permission to smoke a high quality cigar in his own office from someone w...
any other capo in the same situation would just do it and genuinely slice off the other person's hand if they objected
dusty sigil
Yah
vagrant dove
any other capo in the same situation would just do it and genuinely slice off th...
Lei Heng for example
He'd just light one
dusty sigil
Hell, the ID is based off goddamn Lei Heng
Who I think would sooner shit in Jia Yuanchun’s lunch
Then let her stop him from smoking in his own office
dusty sigil
Die
vagrant dove
The hunt WILL come to a close
vagrant dove
pray for me
I don't think prayer will work this time 🙏
bronze zephyr
I think Meur would superficially fit into the Fingers, but still not really fit ...
Mmm fair
Middle Meursault can fulfill vengeances but isn’t very sibling
vagrant dove
I think Meur would superficially fit into the Fingers, but still not really fit ...
Also yeah this is fair
keen palm
Faust's whole "sometimes to follow the prescript you must break the prescript" is a good indicator that Mersault would struggle
stoic fjord
they're also sometimes vague
atomic steeple
NOt everyone has teh privilege of being babied like rien
vagrant dove
NOt everyone has teh privilege of being babied like rien
Even he was unsatisfactory because he didn't manage to fulfill the prescript's intent iirc
Which is why he ends up in the House
gentle mulch
Apparently some still claim that the prescripts still like Rien like
keen palm
I do
vagrant dove
I think that like, he is favoured but that doesn't preclude him from being
Underwhelming
If that makes sense?
gentle mulch
Things That Land You In The House of Spiders:
- Doin' It Right
vagrant dove
Evidently the Prescripts were trying to create Roland 2, but Rien functionally could not Do That
gentle mulch
Okay you'll be roland and then you'll fail and then we'll try to hard pivot to argalia and uhh
oh that's a lot of karmic consequence
keen palm
I think ultimately the prescripts are absurdist
main scaffoldBOT
I should really get around to leveling my sinking team
gentle mulch
hey rien buddy i think you're on your own
keen palm
There is no affection and there is no hate
Rien evidently imitated satisfactorily because he didnt die and was told to keep doing it
gentle mulch
I should really get around to leveling my sinking team
slsang is such a boon to have levelled
keen palm
He imitated Argalia to a satisfactory extent
gentle mulch
Dies anyways
vagrant dove
I should really get around to leveling my sinking team
Same, I have to level my Bird Gregor
keen palm
Dies anyways
Because to tie yourself to the prescript is to tie yourself to a meaningless machine churning out random eventsn
Putting faith and personality to it is meaningless
Other than what you ultimately ascribe
vagrant dove
Same, I have to level my Bird Gregor
atomic steeple
https://benveydraws.tumblr.com/post/720783032499453952/i-can-close-my-eyes-and-let-the-things-i-cant
vagrant dove
https://benveydraws.tumblr.com/post/720783032499453952/i-can-close-my-eyes-and-l...
Oh yeah the Angela-Yan and Roland-Xiao parallels are so Good
Similiar but so different
atomic steeple
Yan undistorted, taking estrogen
vagrant dove
Truke
gentle mulch
LCEstrogen
vagrant dove
Does that imoly that t corp produces testosterone
fluid whale
Yeah why do you think nothing is in color there
atomic steeple
https://darkcynda.tumblr.com/post/813971922938363904/call-this-a-reach-but-i-love-that-callistos-hat
Tumblr
vagrant dove
https://darkcynda.tumblr.com/post/813971922938363904/call-this-a-reach-but-i-lov...
Oh that's cool
cosmic gorge
Oooh
Looks like a fungus yoo
*too
But also like
Callisto's intro was some great Horror Movie Monster vibes
The creepily used high class music, contrasting with all the gore, and with this tall mechanical mfer yapping about brutally violating the corpus of other sentients as if it was art
vagrant dove
also i find it very funny that ringdya's having zoomies in the back of my current lux run
cosmic gorge
Freaky stuff
vagrant dove
but yeah callistos uh
cosmic gorge
also i find it very funny that ringdya's having zoomies in the back of my curren...
Love it wjen faustein and wererodya both do a second phase form shift after a turn ends
vagrant dove
actual horror movie monster
although I think most of the HOS members participating in the LCE attack fit that role
see Rien
motherfucker's intro is creepy
cosmic gorge
Need a Ring bloodfiend and some kind of Mummy equivalent so that we have a hammer horror ring id comp
cosmic gorge
although I think most of the HOS members participating in the LCE attack fit tha...
Five hours in the HOS
vagrant dove
True
valencina's only really horrifying (in that sense) when she's alone with gregor
that scene made me feel so fucking bad for him
cosmic gorge
Analog horror of being a regular guy during the invasion
Choose your mascot horror monster:
-Masked weapon freak who for some reason can never get shot bc coincidentally your guns jam when you fight him
-bigass Middle member who talks like an unc even when viciously dejawing your friends for daring to scream when he pulverizes their legs
-a smoke war vet who isnt above doing war criminal acts to those she considers vermin
-ghost swordswoman lady who makes the world crackle like the static of a bad television reception
-Callisto
vagrant dove
valencina's only really horrifying (in that sense) when she's alone with gregor
to be clear: she's horrifying when she's with someone she has power over in general, but the lighting and the unhinged smile she has in 9-45's opening is
while talking about her smoke war service
main scaffoldBOT
I think Callisto is the best for an actual analog horror villain
Thyme, Dawnline Shoreman [🔔] ↩️
uneven canopy
inexplicably switching from a transport corp to a food service corp and completely crashing most of its existing infrastructure
crimson spindle
Callisto isn't an analog horror villain
vagrant dove
by @Miggs_fmp
the three mang ducky pen
stoic fjord
I think Shiomi would be analog horror
though this may just be because I watched Doctor Nowhere recently
vagrant dove
tbh I think Shiomi Yoru is undergoing the Horror due to her room layout
vagrant dove
also she can't escape
stoic fjord
the House of Spiders is hell and the only sinner||s to make it out are Ryoshu and Kira||
vagrant dove
as Lucio says, it's a place that drives people completely mad
crimson spindle
like I guarantee there's hellraiser in Callisto's design because it's basically the same sort of theming around the limits of expression of the human body
vagrant dove
did have to look that one up, since I haven't had much familiarity with Hellraiser (which I think makes me fraudulent as a warhammer fan, given the Dark Eldar evidently copy a lot of the Cenobites' flow)
and yeah, that does make sense
crimson spindle
in particular the exposed crainium bit is very in line with Angelique
spoiled for (fake, but still intentionally disturbing) gore
and the concept of the cenobites is that they are humans who have descended into hell intentionally in pursuit of the ultimate sensation
which... sounds about right
vagrant dove
Yeah that tracks
crimson spindle
and yeah the dark eldar are very much space cenobites
cosmic gorge
by @Miggs_fmp
Ryo 
quaint cliff
I’m particularly a fan of Don’s hat pin and nails, and Ryoshu’s bracelet 
stoic fjord
am I cooking
cosmic gorge
scissor outis has no env
oh wait Scissors ego
uneven canopy
the bloodfiend crew and two Middle mooks that punched their way into the theme park
keen palm
Gregor doesnt have any envy support
keen palm
Don kinda doesnt either
stoic fjord
it's not meant to hit res this is for MD because I'm bored of NSang and NShu getting people killed
also I have approximately zero E.G.Os
know what, I'm gonna do a middle run instead
keen palm
If you arent meant to hit Res I would question the inclusion of the hit res guys
Yeah
Middle team is nutso in MD
stoic fjord
hrmmm
debating on if I even bring middle meursault
he doesn't hit any breakpoints, clashes worse, and takes away skill slots from the others
keen palm
I did and he was relevantly clashing up to floor 15
stoic fjord
completely different experience for me but fair
maybe it's because I don't have him at UT4
keen palm
I didnt even have secret boss items
Was just beating on em
Also tbh its good to have a guy who you dont mind getting their shit kicked in
To farm vengeance marks
stoic fjord
maybe it's because I don't have him at UT4
oh shit his stuff on UT4 is lowk goated
I have 523 thread anyways so
I just need middle outis to drop and to get middle don
dusty sigil
Gregor doesnt have any envy support
Does Gregor even have any IDs with envy skills? I can’t think of any
stoic fjord
the middle and the Liu they dragged along for moral support
wait no I don't have the stuff to activate liu coat
nvm
dusty sigil
Okay also chef Gregor
Envy skill 3
Also Edgar family
And Si
Okay yah he’s got quite a few envy skills
bronze zephyr
AEDD is prolly the best envy Greg
bronze zephyr
Do we know if the index and thumb are still at war in L Corp?
vagrant dove
Possibly, given the fact as far as we know the nest is still unoccupied
And we know syndicates grab territory to sell it off
bronze zephyr
Its said here that i think Val Rodya was sent to fight in a thumb war so it could be that
gentle mulch
wtf is this
tiny cave
Big Rick is getting a reflectorial
faint pivot
Were we always so laissez faire about leaks/datamines or
faint pivot
Not you Iceout
gentle mulch
oh the ricardo thing?
faint pivot
Yeah
main scaffoldBOT
We assumed Gnocchian was just guessing
bronze zephyr
||ricardo was leaked to have a reflectrial yes||
bronze zephyr
Lolllll
gentle mulch
i see now
bronze zephyr
Oh rufo will prolly have new rewards when she comes back for the bokgak
She will also probably be. Harder.
gentle mulch
please no
cloud wadi
she wasn't so bad tbh
given you have 3 teams to beat her with
the issue isn't really "how do you beat her"
more
"how can you possibly fail"
people are too casualty averse imo
crimson spindle
the biggest thing was how do I beat her quickly
cosmic gorge
Oh rufo will prolly have new rewards when she comes back for the bokgak
She wi...
Im excited to hear her voice
Place your bets
Gruff contralto or detached artsy tone?
bronze zephyr
oh PLEASE it wouldo be aweosme
keen palm
"Kiddo, turn on the boombox"
keen palm
The scream is timed with the gore defeat sound
bronze zephyr
oh yeah chat whered we learn outis's watch is broken i gorget
faint pivot
Donqui calls it broken and that she "wears it as a fashion statement" (latter is rebutted to be false)
lean fjord
It's highly likely
wild mango
Butler Ryoshu is the best thoricalgia holder rn right?
lean fjord
Driftshu is also an option I suppose
karmic escarp
hmhm maybe we'll get to fight Cyclops/Centaur/Nymph/Hydra in C11
PLEASE I NEED IT TO HAPPEN
waiter waiter more abno fights in main canto stories please please please please-
wild mango
Driftshu is also an option I suppose
Oh right
cosmic gorge
waiter waiter more abno fights in main canto stories please please please please...
Fight the ones from the mysteriously greek-coded hospital
karmic escarp
SMILES
im the problematic guy who keeps telling PM to make the end of cantos into dungeons where you get to fight a bunch of thematically relevant abnos and thus forces challenge clear youtubers to run through every fight before they can do whatever the climactic boss is. teehee!
karmic escarp
yup
cloud wadi
Nice
keen palm
I used Middle/Ring, then my Poise Team, then Heishou
bronze zephyr
Interesting, grats
cloud wadi
I think my Strat was ring team for first phase
And then send in Lob egos and Index agents to finish her off
stoic fjord
Iirc i used bloodfiends into index sinking
faint pivot
I used CARfiends into I corp
Twas always painful when Yi Sang failed a clash with his counter
But at least I got practice with his poise loop
I still have no idea how to maintain the Pointer's Poise though
stoic fjord
I still have no idea how to maintain the Pointer's Poise though
Who?
faint pivot
Who?
Index
Went for the alliteration mb
I meant as a whole btw
I don't wanna pop EGO for these fools I wanna get used to their loop
atomic steeple
gentle mulch
ya
atomic steeple
Sinclair corp
faint pivot
||That's essentially magic. DQ can do magic. The sweepers are suspected to be B.F.s. Is being a B.F. a symptom of an ex-singularity?||
gentle mulch
https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qao5zd/understanding_the_index_...
im hoping we get to see more stuff behind the prescripts since they've been giving us more w beepers and gods
especially since every prescript fulfillment benefits the index, if there's supposedly multiple prescript entities, I'd like to see what that benefit might look like
faint pivot
Say
gentle mulch
and they're considered to be beyond causality too which--Okay!!! Sure!!!
faint pivot
What happens to an Arbiter wielding a now ex Singularity?
gentle mulch
wdym
faint pivot
The corp wielding Smoke (Ruina) as a Singularity fell, hence its status as ex-singularity
Do the Arbiters wielding it switch loadouts or
faint pivot
That makes sense
This stuff'll get supplanted one way or another
Different angle then
Would the Head choose to reintegrate this Arbiter with the newer corp's Singularity
Or toss them out?
gentle mulch
lotta human experimentation goes into making arbiters iirc so I'm guessing they're used as a free cadaver
stoic fjord
Do we know any singularities besides K and L?
faint pivot
Do we know any singularities besides K and L?
Fairy
Jail aka Lock
Unite (presumably), aka the Resonance Tuning Wrenches of U Corp
Protect ala the pliable buildings and space-warping tech of P Corp
Xtract of X corp (not entirely sure on the exact details though)
Assimilate of A corp, Behold of B Corp, and Crush of Corp /j
faint pivot
Do we know any singularities besides K and L?
Heal via boluses
Idk what word corresponds to M other than Mental but Moonstones are a thing
Nails
Rejuvenate
hybrid lynx
Rejuvenate
nah that'd be Replicate, right?
faint pivot
nah that'd be Replicate, right?
Oh true actually
Hmm
Perhaps Revive fits better
Since the hatchery doesn't do it on gear
And revival isn't necessarily a one and done thing
hybrid lynx
once again Timetrack is a bitch, this time on what to call its singularity
hybrid lynx
Perhaps Revive fits better
it's not as if the clone has to necessarily be revived from someone dead, right?
faint pivot
it's not as if the clone has to necessarily be revived from someone dead, right?
True
I can't think of a word that means "copy a living being" so Replicate wins
faint pivot
Take
Time is gold, you can claw your way out of the hole eventually
So what better way to make the rich richer than by taking that too
W as 'Wind as in Rewind?
hybrid lynx
maybe
faint pivot
Wink as in hoodwink cause these bitches FRAUDS
...oh, checks out with their public narrative too
Gone in a wink
Y for Yurodivie
That's all afaik
Oh wait
Old G was Grow presumably
hybrid lynx
L is Light, but what the fuck is K?
faint pivot
L is Light, but what the fuck is K?
Kure
hybrid lynx
that's a stretch and you know it
faint pivot
Or whatever the public narrative for the serum was
faint pivot
that's a stretch and you know it
Ofc lmao
hybrid lynx
the public narrative is that it's nanobots
faint pivot
I remember another
Oh, I'm thinking of Helapoleisis
The name behind HP bullets
so nvm
Cannot think of K
...kindness, because that was how the old CEO gathered the tears?
fickle crown
It's probably some medical term
hybrid lynx
the still image does not convey the overwhelm of torment that thing is in. the background of spicebush before the domain expansion, though?
fickle crown
Yeahhh
stoic fjord
Heal via boluses
Isn't the Bolus just another thing? The singularity is whatever shifts the buildings, no?
hybrid lynx
no it just does that
faint pivot
Isn't the Bolus just another thing? The singularity is whatever shifts the build...
That's old H's singularity
hybrid lynx
that part of the city i mean
fickle crown
Nah, not an ex singularity
faint pivot
Presumably
fickle crown
It is still a singularity
faint pivot
Nah, not an ex singularity
Que
fickle crown
Just one from a fallen wing
stoic fjord
Oh yeah
faint pivot
What delineates the two
fickle crown
Some singularities (like nanite tattoos) are public nowadays
faint pivot
Smoke is public but is still dubbed ex-singularity in Ruina
fickle crown
The only thing that defines a singularity is that it defies most forms of logic in some way
stoic fjord
I swear there was something about corp exclusivity in some way
fickle crown
Smoke is public but is still dubbed ex-singularity in Ruina
Imo that's because the source of it was basically deleted from existence
faint pivot
Hrm
fickle crown
At that point it's an ex singularity because you can't recover it
Plus W-Corp has multiple singularities from entities it's bought out or absorbed over time
On top of their own actual singularity
Because technically the trains are still a singularity
As are the weapons
On top of the reset button
stoic fjord
I wonder if all singularities derive from stars
Did L Corp's
Also from what little we know the early city and corps seem fascinating
With K Corp's origins and such
And how generally there seems to have been genuine want for some kind of better world?
fickle crown
I don't think all of them are from stars, but all singularities definitely have some supernatural patron entity or thing that they originate from
The well of humanity is something that seems to at least physically manifest in some places for instance
So it's been around for a while, L-Corp just managed to harness it properly
stoic fjord
I still love how K Corp is like
"Yeah it's nanobots"
And then it's actually the tears of a giant eyeball that can return a person to some kind of primordial form of man if undiluted
fickle crown
I'd also argue that Yi Sang's mirror technology and any derivatives made from it are also singularities
stoic fjord
I'm still like 99% sure they have to be corp associated so I would say they're a potential singularity
fickle crown
And then it's actually the tears of a giant eyeball that can return a person to ...
Me when I dive into the goop and become primordial ooze again
stoic fjord
From what we've seen i assume some combination of mirrors and the Light and Golden Boughs will make Limbus
I wonder what it'll become as a Corp, if it becomes one
Light? Still Limbus?
fickle crown
I think Limbus is aspiring to be just like L-Corp just. Well, more evil
The Mirror and the Golden Boughs are a means to an end
And we know with the LCE department specifically they're working on Enkephalin extraction and EGO experimentation
split beacon
their stated goal is to save the EGO
fickle crown
Yeah, but they're still looking to fill the gap L-Corp left
Not to mention all of the collaborators they seem to have
split beacon
no I mean like
sorry
their stated goal is to save the EGO, what does that actually imply about their goals as a company and eventually a wing?
their supposed role is salvaging and utilizing the insane supertech that was implicit to L Corp's operations but they don't seem to be interested in just taking back L Corp's niche (or, like, particularly interested into getting into the energy business at all?) and their stated purpose is to Face The Sin, Save The EGO but what the fuck does that actually mean other than the shallowest interpretation of sending LCB to retrieve L Corp salvage
why save in particular in "save the EGO"
fickle crown
Part of me says they're pursuing something similar to what Iori's up to, but it sounds like it might be a different interpretation of her idea? Not a new association, but I think they're interested in humanity in some way?
N-Corp being the main rival force kinda supports that imo
Not sure what Sin means in the context of it all, but given the usage of it as a resource, it's maybe a coalescence of the cruelty people endure or cause before being able to get EGO? Not sure and I'm probably wrong
gentle mulch
wasnt EGO/the use of the light initially meant to be a power to distribute to everyone so they could challenge the Head?
fickle crown
Yeah
split beacon
sin is interesting because sin in the context of Limbus Company seems to refer to, like, motivating forces
fickle crown
But even if it did actually go the way it was intended to, things haven't changed enough
split beacon
sins in Limbus Company aren't cruelty or suffering, they're very specifically the forces that make you desire things
fickle crown
Though it's likely the seed of light project was more of a long game if anything that Carmen and her cohorts likely wouldn't live to see the fruits of
fickle crown
sins in Limbus Company aren't cruelty or suffering, they're very specifically th...
Imo the sins used in attacks reflect the motivating forces, the peccatula are a representation of the worse side of each particular sin
split beacon
also re: Carmen and the Seed of Light I think it's worth pointing out that Carmen does not have a consistent answer to the question of what the seed of light is and what it'll do
we have the Sephirah on record asking her what it is and being convinced of its worth but they all were told different things
fickle crown
The fact the sinners also actively voice dislike or disapproval towards certain peccatula also has me kind of convinced that Sin is both a motivating and opposing force in Limbus
split beacon
Kali/Gebura, specifically, was told it was a power that could allow the common people to oppose the Head
but that's kind of inline with who she is as a person
she was told it was strength because Gebura prizes strength above all else
fickle crown
And the fact bosses in the game are also (in some ways) more complex representations of sin also makes me think that it's meant to possibly be a dual interpretation. Also, sorry if I'm talking over you
split beacon
nah sorry I'm just sorta drifting between threads of conversation
fickle crown
But yeah, I'm kinda agreeing and adding to what you're saying
It's not just a motivating force, Sin is what drives people to confront uncomfortable truths whether that be through understanding, force, or cruelty
fickle crown
World where Yi Sang's EGO is just sex pistols lmao
gentle mulch
Yi Sang manifests 1 mang on the jet of air from a carbon pump revolver
faint pivot
Revolver? Strange
fickle crown
Also interesting note, but peccatula are really odd thematically given they always seem to crop up when the sinners (including Dante) are at their worst
Minus the times they're set loose on us
split beacon
Sin seems to be drive more than anything else
it's what the Seed of Light gave people
which I guess is why it's split into the clors of the rainbow, it's the Light split up and refracted
fickle crown
next thing we know we'll get the prism as another mirror derivative technology /hj
split beacon
the Peccatula are examples of people who are unable to Distort because their drive, their passion is too strongly tainted in one color, their desires are too base and craven
or something like that
we know that the Peccatula are what happens if you're somehow insufficient to Distort, and that seems to be like
stoic fjord
the Peccatula are examples of people who are unable to Distort because their dri...
Idk if it's necessarily this
split beacon
the outcome of the subject cracking under the strain but instead of developing a distorted worldview (literally distorting) they just lose their inhibition and become consumed with one driving purpose
fickle crown
I think it's people that lack the actualization in the first place to fully distort or manifest EGO
stoic fjord
Vergilius is mono-wrath, his sole sin is wrath, yet I doubt he would've become a peccatula had he fallen to Carmen
atomic steeple
Old G was Grow presumably
Genetics
fickle crown
Like there's a specific lack
stoic fjord
I think it's-
fickle crown
Of something
stoic fjord
Yeah it's directly stated it's the lack of will to even agree or disagree with Carmen
fickle crown
I personally think it's force of will, but I'm likely wrong here
stoic fjord
Yeah it's directly stated it's the lack of will to even agree or disagree with C...
Or
It might be? I forgor 💀
split beacon
tbh I think force of will is pretty much irrelevant
it's the ability to formulate an answer
Carmen forces you to look at yourself and asks you if you can accept this, embrace it even, flawed as you are
if you say yes you distort, your worldview warps to defend yourself-as-you-are
if you say no you develop EGO, you create the arms and armor to fight back against the world knowing that you're flawed and that it can hurt you
faint pivot
Vergilius is mono-wrath, his sole sin is wrath, yet I doubt he would've become a...
For the time being, at least
stoic fjord
I feel like E.G.O is still defending yourself as you are
split beacon
the best exemplar is Dongrang, who starts out by Distorting and saying "this is fine, I'm okay with being evil and empty inside" and then after being pressed further he goes OKAY FINE IT'S NOT RIGHT
faint pivot
Hohenheim and Xichun are the first examples of sin spreads changing over time
split beacon
BUT I DON'T CARE
cosmic gorge
hey folks got out of a session zero what are we cooking in pmoon chat rn
fickle crown
Heishou boluses fuck with your genes too no?
It's at least somewhat temporary. There are long lasting effects but it looks like you need to regularly dose yourself with boluses or your abilities begin to fade
stoic fjord
hey folks got out of a session zero what are we cooking in pmoon chat rn
Talking more about the Light and sin and peccas
faint pivot
hey folks got out of a session zero what are we cooking in pmoon chat rn
Sins and distorting/EGO
cosmic gorge
i like limbus sins i want to apply them to characters outside the setting
Denji is lust coded but not for the reasons you think
fickle crown
Wei for instance was a Wu Adept but is both weaker due to his suppression bolus and the fact that he hasn't been on the usual regiment since Xichun bought him out of Heishoudom
faint pivot
He mentions the latter?
gentle mulch
trying to figure out what the endgoal for limbus company is
and talking about sins/ego because of it
cosmic gorge
trying to figure out what the endgoal for limbus company is
sacrifice the sinners to create a tree of life
fickle crown
He mentions the latter?
It's more shown with the Si IDs where they're taking the time to dose themselves
cosmic gorge
this is my headcanon until further notice
split beacon
I guess defending yourself as you are, maybe a better phrasing would be that Distortion is fundamentally about changing your worldview to justify yourself as you are, whereas EGO is looking at yourself clearly and accepting that you are flawed and human
fickle crown
Gregor saying to take it slow or you'll get fucked up by the boluses and other alchemical solutions used for the Si
stoic fjord
I simultaneously really want IDs for each heishou branch and really don't
split beacon
Distortion, after all, literally warps your humanity because you can't accept that you are what you are
stoic fjord
I simultaneously really want IDs for each heishou branch and really don't
Too many. But also
Si Adept... Wei Adept...
cosmic gorge
the Golden Bough is a hokey book but the logic it presents (the sacrifice of a harvest god) bodes really badly with how the company is fattening up our bus full of sufferers with Suffer Juice
fickle crown
So we do know the Heishou do regularly imbibe boluses on some level
stoic fjord
RAGGGGHHHHH
stoic fjord
Too many. But also
Si Adept... Wei Adept...
I predict KJH is going to grant my wish in the worst way possible
How, you ask?
cosmic gorge
fatten up the harvest god to kill for a good harvest
stoic fjord
How, you ask?
Wing War. H Corp involved.
Canto 13 is going to be complete fuckshit and we will ALL suffer
split beacon
anyways uhh limbus company, light, golden boughs, seed of light
gentle mulch
I simultaneously really want IDs for each heishou branch and really don't
i wish canto 8 gave us one branch per new id instead of multiples with adepts and stuff
split beacon
I think the seed of light planted sin in the people of the City
stoic fjord
i wish canto 8 gave us one branch per new id instead of multiples with adepts an...
Tbh I could go for 1 normal and 1 adept
Enough to have more focus, not so much as to be too same-y
gentle mulch
need a gcorp outis upscale with zigong outis
stoic fjord
Fuuuck I wish we got Zigong ID
cosmic gorge
need a gcorp outis upscale with zigong outis
who is zilu in the zigong outis world
i dont think zigong is a fighter though
gentle mulch
faust still
stoic fjord
Fuuuck I wish we got Zigong ID
Spring Cultivation. Night Drifter and Zigong IDs. Trust
fickle crown
Heishou boluses fuck with your genes too no?
Also just checked, it does appear to be permanent but idk if the effects fade if you stop taking the Heishou boluses (might keep some of the traits but it's like a skill that degrades probably)
stoic fjord
faust still
Outis is a heishou
split beacon
he cooked up some bizarre enlightenment juice in L Corp's basement and then shot it everywhere but I'm not clear how the Light went from vaporized EGO juice to planting Sin in the hearts of the people of the City
split beacon
I guess the EGOs are, like, pure actualizationstuff
gentle mulch
just put her in the zigong outfit idk what's so complicated
stoic fjord
Tbh I think part of it might be like
gentle mulch
she can be a bunny and a zigong
split beacon
Outis couldn't be Zigong
Hohenheim
stoic fjord
Lord of Hongyuan Hong Lu wouldn't have a Zigong equivalent
split beacon
fickle crown
Part of me still suspects Zigong is a bloodfiend but I have nothing to support this theory
cosmic gorge
closed eyes
stoic fjord
Part of me still suspects Zigong is a bloodfiend but I have nothing to support t...
She never opens her eyes
I'll believe it
split beacon
I think the funniest thing in the world is that red eyes strictly don't mean anything in project moon
gentle mulch
and penitence
fickle crown
We know she's part of the menacing red and black gang and she does have the streaks in her hair but that's possibly anime logic lmao
split beacon
but also a bunch of important characters have red eyes for like, random reasons
Carmen has red eyes because ???
We know that some people have red eyes cuz they're bloodfiends
stoic fjord
Zigong is Ryoshu's sister
split beacon
Ryoshu's red eyes are the subject of a continuity error
hey remember when Red Eyed Chud Baby Ryoshu had everyone confused as hell
fickle crown
Iirc she got them augmented
gentle mulch
as a baby?
fickle crown
And I think that shows when they actually glow
gentle mulch
hey remember when Red Eyed Chud Baby Ryoshu had everyone confused as hell
have they...addressed that ever?
split beacon
and that she went out and got combat augments that gave her red eyes at some point in her life while she was still living at the House of Spiders
but also: Red Eyed Chud Baby Ryoshu exists in story art
fickle crown
Again, I think the glowing part is where the red eyes thing was taken
Because we do see them take on a certain hue when she's especially pissed
gentle mulch
what if that wasn't ryoshu but a fake baby
fickle crown
Ryoshu could naturally have red eyes with the augmentations just being a more obvious showing of that
stoic fjord
I think it's just an art error
But it never being fixed is odd
I'll go for the glow idea though
gentle mulch
ts wouldn't happen if vellmori was still here ROLLING MY FUCKING EYES
(I'm so devastated still)
fickle crown
Naturally red but the augmentations just accentuated it even more given the fact her mother(?) and a certain someone also had red eyes
stoic fjord
I think it'd be an interesting thing, her already looking so similar before bridging that gap with the glowing eyes
split beacon
YUP
gentle mulch
red eyes chud baby is the identity for walp ryoshu if things were shifted a little to the left
split beacon
true
fickle crown
I do think the red eyes that Ryoshu has definitely link her to a certain nursefather
I think ||Araya's|| eyes not being naturally red might've also been foreshadowing
Given the whole ||bloodline potency thing||
stoic fjord
Ohhhh shit yeah the T Vault
fickle crown
Since Ryoshu is apparently the only one that can ||semi-safely wield Arayashaki||
And the fact her "mother" is the source of that power
gentle mulch
all the sinners really do have some wack shit huh
fickle crown
We also know Ryoshu ||has a more potent variant of Shiomi's specific ability too||
gentle mulch
rodion has crazy grip strength
fickle crown
Rodion has luck on her side wdym
gentle mulch
canonically
split beacon
I mean canonically Rodion is just weirdly strong
fickle crown
Rosespanner Rodion fucking fuelling her entire office off of online gambling lmao
split beacon
but Rodion
gentle mulch
i now declare the end of all times
split beacon
is not special.
gentle mulch
the wheel has ceased due to this resolution do not bother it further
fickle crown
I personally think Rodion is more an idea that the common (wo)man can still achieve great things, even if (s)he is surrounded by enigmas like Sancho and Faust
fickle crown
Like really that's the core of her concept
split beacon
multiple IDs now that highlight the fact that she's not a freak of nature but she is also just
genuinely really hard working and good at things
gentle mulch
when it's some indomitable human spirit shit but you can't prove it
fickle crown
She still stands out regardless of her role in things
split beacon
Rodion may not be special but she's also overwhelmingly competent
fickle crown
And the fact she also shows a mostly confrontational attitude regarding T-Corp in her collector ID is also interesting
gentle mulch
literally just better
split beacon
lady's good at what she does
fickle crown
Since most T-Corp staff are kinda like
Fucking crushed by the drudgery of their work
To the point where they probably wouldn't complain like she does
split beacon
it's not indomitable human spirit it's indomitable rodion spirit she's literally built differently than the average citygoer
fickle crown
She has the motivation and drive most citygoers lack
cosmic gorge
she has that Hunger that the god of fear and hunger represents
suffering that moves shit forward
i mean this genuinely
split beacon
weak aura: Rodion has no bad end ID because she's cosmically unimportant
strong aura: Rodion has no bad end ID because Rodion would simply not suffer a bad ending
fickle crown
Rodion's bad end ID is letting her dissatisfaction lead to more emptiness
We haven't seen her reach that point yet
And the fact she's dissatisfied is what makes her special imo
More than the other sinners anyways
split beacon
belts to asses 24/7 rodya will usurp the Head
fickle crown
Because like Gregor, she's also left without any real conclusion
fickle crown
I think her getting a Sonya ID has to happen
Not because of opposites exactly
But I think it's gonna be the way she takes things instead
Sonya was also dissatisfied but I think he's going to suffer a worse deterioration than Rodion
gentle mulch
idk if even, she might just take Sonya's place in canon if the hype Gets Lived Up To
fickle crown
Like the Yurodiviy is already growing to a point where it can't manage itself
gentle mulch
it sounds like they need someone who can organize a large number of people
that's right
Outis Sonya ID
split beacon
I do think it's funny that of all of the Sinners and the things they did wrong or whatever
Rodion is the one who just stood up and said "yeah I'm not gonna take it anymore, kill evil bastards that victimize your community"
fickle crown
It brings to mind the historical failure of the White Army
cosmic gorge
pray tell does Rickheath work in a burn team that has 3 a res tops
gentle mulch
pray tell does Rickheath work in a burn team that has 3 a res tops
he works in a burn team the same way you can use a coin to unscrew things
like sure but why
fickle crown
it sounds like they need someone who can organize a large number of people
I think (at least with the way the City works) the squabbling and clash of ideologies will lead to a mass collapse between Yurodiviy branches
Again, major White Army vibes
stoic fjord
I think (at least with the way the City works) the squabbling and clash of ideol...
AND RODION'S IDEOLOGY WILL RISE FROM THE ASHES
gentle mulch
^^^
stoic fjord
SHE WILL LEAD THE PROLETARIAT TO A SOCIALST FUTURE
cosmic gorge
like sure but why
until we get the bremor hos duo i want to have his s3 pop off leisault's bremor stacks
i am starlightmaxxing my md run
fickle crown
I think further supporting that is the fact Yurodiviy as a term is like... Not sure of the exact thing but it's naive essentially
Sonya's movement is doomed
cosmic gorge
i keep getting cool burn ego gifts dangled in front of my face
yeah i know hes not
stoic fjord
Sonya's movement is already centered around a cult of personality rather than true solidarity
cosmic gorge
his s3 does a burst though so its fun to capitalize on that
gentle mulch
o okay
stoic fjord
Sonya's movement is already centered around a cult of personality rather than tr...
He is the sole reason the movement works at all
Rodion, in all her unspecialness, I think could build a genuine movement
Fr though I'm excited to see Rodion if/when she reaches higher peaks n shit
fickle crown
The time ripper is also a symptom of that soon-to-be collapse imo
stoic fjord
I think a symptom and a representation of the movement as a whole
faint pivot
Rodion, in all her unspecialness, I think could build a genuine movement
Something tells me Saint Rodya would be a bad-end ID not because of her but because of her movement living on after her death
fickle crown
The movement is ultimately ineffective despite all of the preaching and rallying
stoic fjord
Something tells me Saint Rodya would be a bad-end ID not because of her but beca...
True...
faint pivot
It becomes strong enough to become a Finger
And either eliminates one of the 5 or becomes a sixth
Either option warps City life so hard it's essentially joined the cycle it tried to stop
stoic fjord
Rodion's Yurodivy usurping and replacing the Index would be super cool i think
Especially with like. The idea of it being faith-driven
And like
I need dubs on the Index bro please let Normal Woman do that
fickle crown
And either eliminates one of the 5 or becomes a sixth
I think they'll become the palm
cosmic gorge
russian woman overthrows the most whackass faith-based gang in the city via a peoples revolution
🤔 🤔
fickle crown
Both the least and most dangerous of the six depending on the circumstances. Prone to infighting and squabbling but also numerous and overwhelming when unified under one cause
faint pivot
Sheer numbers
Sheer power
No need for the Thumb's discipline, the Index's unity, the Middle's strength, the Ring's ingenuity, and the Pinky's tenacity
fickle crown
I'd argue there might not be enough power. Again, I'm getting White Army vibes from them because they're obviously disorganized and there's likely a large divide between members given the various walks of life they're from
buoyant stream
but technical perfection alone isn't what the ring wants
I mean our favorite Robo unc is a perfect example that just by sheer artistic skill/technique you don't necessarily have the brightest future if you wan't be innovative
fickle crown
I can easily see a good number of the Yurodiviy being underarmed
fickle crown
Also the Yurodiviy lacks a proper hierarchy
I mean technically there are Yurodiviy bosses (just one lmao) but also we don't actually see a real leader outside of Sonya and it's unclear if he's just a figurehead at this rate
Without a good chain of command the Yurodiviy will remain an ineffective group
Because if branches can't communicate well with each other, they'll just get picked off one by one or they won't get anything done
It's not even a matter of power, it's a logistical issue
The whole movement will fail if the Yurodiviy can't even command themselves properly
buoyant stream
so, who's excited for middle nursefather outis teaser tomorrow (SURELY this time)
fickle crown
Please...
split beacon
I mean our favorite Robo unc is a perfect example that just by sheer artistic sk...
tbh we got more insight into what's up with robo unc's art and why it's considered outmoded by the Ring
it's not that he's uninnovative (he is but the problem is deeper), it's that he got stuck in the ultimate rut of trying to find a way to make his specific school of art understandable to anyone because he believes so strongly in the universality of artistic expression
which is like, the ultimate artist self own basically
he catastrophically fucked himself by getting too obsessed with making something understandable instead of making something that is art
buoyant stream
yeah fair
i guess innovative was the wrong word to use
i mostly just wanted to point out that you can't go to great places just by being technically skilled at the craft
atleast not indefinitely
fickle crown
Well it's also because he's just so fucking desperate for an audience to the point where he can't improve due to a total lack of proper feedback
cloud wadi
True art cares not for comprehension
Audience of one is still an audience
—musician of Bremen
In fact I suspect musician of Bremen woulf argue that an audience would only tarnish the art
I suspect Jumsoon came to the same conclusion
Which is why he doesn’t let his buyers look at his art
fickle crown
In fact I suspect musician of Bremen woulf argue that an audience would only tar...
Haha, Yi Sang would disagree
cloud wadi
Yeah it’s a difference in opinion
KJH clearly doesn’t like the absurdist position lmao
fickle crown
What better way to show your appreciation for your audience than to make them a part of your piece?
I do think there is irony in the fact that Yi Sang almost perfectly integrates what Callisto failed to do with his art
split beacon
I mean, the Absurdist position is fundamentally valid when you're having fun
fickle crown
Letting your audience quite literally experience the piece by becoming it is something fucking crazy (but also fucked up and beautiful in a way)
split beacon
basically we don't have context for Ring Dadaists yet, we would need to establish The Mainstream to have context for breaking away from the mainstream
it would be fun though
the Ring are the funnest of the Five Fingers. KJH show us more of their insane goobery academia antics.
cloud wadi
There’s the sense get that all ring fundamentally want praise for their work
They fiercely guard their galleries
cosmic gorge
let me see irl art movements through the lens of murderous art gangsters
cloud wadi
And hate vandalism
split beacon
I mean, they're artists
atomic steeple
I like corporism a lot
Too bad it's outdated
Would love to see more of them
split beacon
no one gets into art without a twinge of desire for recognition
cloud wadi
But it’s a specific type of recognition they want
gentle mulch
so, who's excited for middle nursefather outis teaser tomorrow (SURELY this time...
I think we're at the point of the season where I'm only expecting peak quality
reveals
split beacon
it's communication! communication requires someone else to communicate with!
cloud wadi
Vandalism is a type of recognition
fickle crown
I think that (weirdly enough) cannibalism would probably be an interesting Ring movement
I mean technically district 23 is already like that, but I don't doubt some members of the Ring have used the myriad butchers there as inspiration for their works
cloud wadi
But they hate it
split beacon
see
gentle mulch
I'm looking forward to the thumb hos
the middle nf
seasonal capstone
walp
new intervallo
more development of reflectrial
split beacon
"vandalism is a form of recognition" is prime kooky Ring guy lines
gentle mulch
just so much to look forward to
cloud wadi
When id argue someone looking at your art and saying “this is awful, im going to burn it” involves the same emotional response as “I love it and I’ll kill anyone who tries to burn it”
atomic steeple
I think that (weirdly enough) cannibalism would probably be an interesting Ring ...
Anthropophagy was the name of a sorta movement in Brazil
cloud wadi
Either way you have inspired a person to kill
gentle mulch
When id argue someone looking at your art and saying “this is awful, im going to...
piss urinal jesus
cloud wadi
Isn’t that the point of it all
Isn’t fear, disgust, and horror just as valid of an emotion as awe and love
split beacon
see but the thing about the Ring is, of course, that you seek the recognition of people you yourself recognize as equals
it's not really for the people of the City at large, it's for the other members of the Ring
that's Callisto's stumbling block
cosmic gorge
academics doing shit that only makes sense to academics and only appreciated by academics
yeah i see the vision
split beacon
listen motherfucker if someone tried to tell me my thesis was shit and then went "no degree btw" I think I'd throw something at them
cloud wadi
It does actually seem like
lime swan
Love some "Who is afraid of red yellow and blue"
cloud wadi
Becoming a maestro is like getting a phd
atomic steeple
Reminded of the homebrew manufacturer, the Scene
Which makes mechs named after art movements
split beacon
Becoming a maestro is like getting a phd
yeah, you become a strange person and now you can only kinda relate to normal people /s
cosmic gorge
this fuels my OC musings
cloud wadi
There’s also presumably a peer review process for becoming a maestro
Since that require production of three masterpieces
split beacon
you know
three peer reviewed papers is generally considered standard on the way towards attaining a Ph.D...
lime swan
see but the thing about the Ring is, of course, that you seek the recognition of...
Nah nah yer missing the point, transgressive and avant garde set movements, the ones that come from people with a deep understanding of the medium, actually do engage with the layman
cosmic gorge
limbus OC greg heffley and his blood and veins diary journal not being fit to ring standards
cloud wadi
three peer reviewed papers is generally considered standard on the way towards a...
Yeah
atomic steeple
yeah, you become a strange person and now you can only kinda relate to normal pe...
Mage: the awakening
split beacon
Nah nah yer missing the point, transgressive and avant garde set movements, the ...
they do I'm making fun of the Ring being more snobby and ivory tower than actual art
cloud wadi
And who would have the authority to call something a masterpiece except another maestro
lime swan
The deep anger towards things like white on white comes because it asks the viewer to react to it and even your anger is you engaging, the simplicity and lack of perceived meaning is a meaning in on of itself
Ah ye
buoyant stream
Callisto always struck me as someone who peaked in his field (Tibia) and then, when looking for where to go next, ended up chasing another high point that would be as acclaimed as Tibia. But since you can't necessarily go higher amongst Corporist Art than what he did, he ended up turning to others for that recognition which ended up in him becoming "washed up"
cloud wadi
Callisto lu kinda clears that up
He could have taken corporist art further
But he got sidetracked into a futile quest for universal art
split beacon
the funny thing about Callisto is that it's hard to say if he went insane and got sidetracked by insanity or if his sidetrack drove him insane
he's definitely lost his marbles somewhere along the way though
cloud wadi
(Universal art apparently exclusively consists of gore, I mean he still is corporist at core)
lime swan
It's some perfectly fine gore, excuse you
cosmic gorge
surely lost something when he dug into his noggin
lime swan
People think they're too good for gore
cloud wadi
We all rot someday
cosmic gorge
Haruspex ring art
stoic fjord
the funny thing about Callisto is that it's hard to say if he went insane and go...
I honestly feel like it's the latter, in that the sidetrack isolated him
cosmic gorge
impromptu haruspex ring art
you chainsaw someone then try to make art of the mess afterwards
which irl art movement maps to this impromptuness
buoyant stream
He could have taken corporist art further
upon re-reading his uptie story, yeah. i must've gotten that wrong. i initially read the uptie as him "peaking" with Tibia using his own corpus as he does tell Faubina that another's body can't be worked with as well as one's own body
crimson spindle
he did peak there and that's what messed him up
he started seeking universal art and obsessing over finding better materials once he ran out of his own
split beacon
he reached a peak, at least
it didn't have to be the peak of his abilities, but, well, he kinda went insane afterwards so
crimson spindle
in general the ring is obsessive over materials
to the point of losing the plot constantly
cosmic gorge
albina going to ncorp to get materials
atomic steeple
There's a lot to do with corporism
How the body relates to the self, how it is your interface to the world
Sensation
crimson spindle
yes but those require a vision of art and that's fundamentally what callisto lost
his technical skill remained perfect, but he no longer had an individual expression to provide
exactly why that is is debatable
split beacon
he replaced his artistic vision with an obsession
crimson spindle
it's probably a bunch of factors
split beacon
of creating corporist art anyone could understand
atomic steeple
It seems movements are very tied to the maestro's direction
And stagnate if the maestro does so
crimson spindle
but the lesson is fundamentally art is art
and trying to squeeze your art to be, basically, corposlop clipart
split beacon
It seems movements are very tied to the maestro's direction
And stagnate if the ...
I mean, that's just the "The Ring is an art collective" part of the story at play
crimson spindle
will never work
split beacon
any art movement is inherently dependent on people actually showing up and doing it
crimson spindle
and the ring art movements require massive investments of technical skill
atomic steeple
Okay, but callisto's obsession doomed the movement, even if it had many good artists with something to express
crimson spindle
so without a guiding light, who is going to spend hours learning how to sew a tendon just so
split beacon
but yes ultimately Callisto's tragedy is one of an artist who reached something like a plateau or a culmination and then thoroughly lost himself in the sauce trying to figure out what to do afterwards
buoyant stream
yea
atomic steeple
so without a guiding light, who is going to spend hours learning how to sew a te...
Makes sense
crimson spindle
when they could instead divert on to something more in line with their personal skill or plan
this is true about real art movements too
split beacon
Okay, but callisto's obsession doomed the movement, even if it had many good art...
there were no good artists with something to express who were also like "yeah let me take the torch from Callisto, put me in boss"
because that's
well