Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[atomic steeple]

Idea for envy abno/ego: grab the myths of hashihime and straw doll curses

[stoic fjord]

GIVE ME STEPHANCLAIR

[gentle mulch]

ricardocliffffffff

pleaseeeeee i need this

[cosmic gorge]

monkey's paw curls

Its part of the gacha like the announcers

[stoic fjord]

...I'm willing to accept that

[cosmic gorge]

Pray tell, what myths were those again

[vagrant dove]

Lce drip skins

That hoodie looks so good, I'm aware they sell it but I live half the world away from korea

[ebon forge]

i love how its a fucking ad for their own merch

[vagrant dove]

I don't even mind it because like

I would wear that

Also i love don staring up at faust

[faint pivot]

Hilarious how the angle nerfs Rodya in comparison to Faust

Also I honestly thought Ro was taller than Heathcliff, guess not

Also didn't realize Meursault was that towering

[dusty sigil]

And it worked

After seeing that scene I really wanted one of those jackets

[stoic fjord]

I agree

[dusty sigil]

Also seeing the sinner’s lined up like that is still really funny

Sinclair is so short

It’s so funny

[vagrant dove]

Oh also

Switched to just using library director angela announcer

Since I wasn't getting enough of her lines with the uhhhhh

10 announcers I had

I fear she's peak (then again Angela is arguably Project Moon's best character, so that's a given)

[vagrant dove]

Why does meursault, the biggest sinner, not simply eat the others?

[dusty sigil]

I can’t think of a single reason why not

Smh KJH

[stoic fjord]

because then Dante would Dante all over him and prematurely cause the massive population drop

[dusty sigil]

Oh TRUUUUUUUUE

[faint pivot]

Other way around - Meursault would Meursault (you know exactly what this entails) so Dante told him not to

[vagrant dove]

Anyway currently engaged in Putting Together A Team to kill that Wolf that I hate

(I like rufo but getting good refracterial times is uh)

(Proving difficult)

1 billion exp tickets must flow into the ring ids

[cosmic gorge]

I could never hate the artsy wolf

Annoyed by her simps though

[stoic fjord]

2 hours 20 minutes

[stoic fjord]

:(

[vagrant dove]

I actually do genuinely really like her design

Beyond the uh, obvious

I think it captures the vibe they were doing for Fauvism so well

[cosmic gorge]

When youre trying to hit it but her simps keep clockblocking you

Or smth

[cosmic gorge]

Please i need to see more Ring movements

[stoic fjord]

ohhhh you mean the students bodyblocking

[cosmic gorge]

I want to see what Suprematists and Cubists do

[vagrant dove]

I hate those students

[ebon forge]

i like how Valenrufo is like, a docent whose fairly good at making art but her magnum opus is born from her own desperation and she's not as great anymore because she's lost that desperation

like, she's still GOOD, right?

[cosmic gorge]

You thought i was calling u out werent you xD

[vagrant dove]

Rodya rufo is Good but unable to uhhhh

Capture that moment of desperation

[ebon forge]

but she'll never reach maestro because she doesn't have that desperate, wild craving that she used to have, and will never do so because she's too afraid of it

[vagrant dove]

Partly because she doesn't want to Think About It

[cosmic gorge]

Ring rodya lost the humanity that made her work excellent

[vagrant dove]

Partly because she doesn't see it as Art

[ebon forge]

she needs to meet me, hmph

[cosmic gorge]

Which is also imo another damning thing with the Ring as a movement

I need to read more Confucian stuff to better read the syndicates

[vagrant dove]

The Ring, like the other fingers, crushes humanity under the name of the ideal they profess

[ebon forge]

i like how the Fauvist Maestro goes out on long adventures to the outskirts

[vagrant dove]

E.g see the Thumb

[glad fable]

She's great yeah
Though using her with other announcers kinda sucks, her lines last for so long that other announcer lines will start playing and overlap with then

[vagrant dove]

Possibly involved in the Ring-Pinky war happening in Ruina?

[ebon forge]

presumably, risking your own life for materials would make better art

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vagrant dove]

Yeah it's partly why I took other the announcers off

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-don-don-quixote-don-quixote-is-talking-is-talking-gif-12218795601980522522

This but for Angela

[cosmic gorge]

Yapmaxx by putting the other long sentence announcers together

[vagrant dove]

Secret announcer: all the sephirot

Each dialogue option is just them talking a la the Bloodfiends or LCE

long ass dialogue sequences

[stoic fjord]

nnnnooooo

[main scaffold]

Angela:

Also Angela:

[gentle mulch]

announcer creep is 100% real

[vagrant dove]

I love that second defeat wail

[main scaffold]

Nah, she was just as verbose in ruina

ICEOUT Hardware (Ping 👍) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) announcer creep is 100% real

She just isn't very self aware 😅

[faint pivot]

Sinner #9 why are you beating up sinner #4 /j

[gentle mulch]

and we adore her for that tbh

the announcer lines in general can get very wordy, and part of why i like lei heng's announcer is that he just says like "guhhh idk shoot them it's not hard bye"

[stoic fjord]

I also like how concise Zilu usually is in her half of the announcer

[gentle mulch]

same, i wish we just had a zilu one for that reason

[vagrant dove]

I mean

"People of the City would much rather make villains out of others than become decent human beings themselves, hm?"

She's right but also Angela. Angela the call is coming from inside the house on this one

[faint pivot]

Ironic that the self-aware android isn't very self aware

[vagrant dove]

(That is to say, the way in which she uses the guests)

[gentle mulch]

part of my endearment to her is how much she's just a huge fucking hypocrite with the power to lure and murder whoever her EGO wants

[vagrant dove]

(Her dislike and hatred of ayin is entirely fair)

(I too would crash out if I was put through the torment nexus and then my creator decided to not fucking acknowledge my existance at the end despite me having been crucial to his plan)

[main scaffold]

Angela is horrible but she's still awesome tbh

[vagrant dove]

She's such a good character

[gentle mulch]

Angela and Roland i think are still my top 1 pair of Interaction Balls

the amount of times roland is begging like on his knees pleading with angela through gritted teeth to have literally any admittance to feeling remorse for her actions
and then she just doubles down and goes "no. none at all. id do it again and again and again. im her. ive been her. i will forever be her."

"hey roland ur my bestie btw."

[vagrant dove]

It's entirely a coping mechanism on her part as well

Which Roland partly teaches her!

With his disaffected attitude initially

[main scaffold]

And Carmen’s influence

[vagrant dove]

And C's narrative haunting yeah

[gentle mulch]

and big C yea

[main scaffold]

Literal haunting in this case tbh

NACL | Scifi Sicko 2 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) And C's narrative haunting yeah

[vagrant dove]

I called it narrative possession I think

[gentle mulch]

also just love how carmen is like "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK MY DISTORTIONS DIDNT WORK. what if i tried that shit. AGAIN"

[vagrant dove]

Bc she haunts all three games and both side novels

[tired canyon]

longing for this moment

brewing all this hatred

[faint pivot]

Wait two?

Oh right, Wonderlab

I need to read that still

[vagrant dove]

Leviathan and Distortion Detective

Also Wonderlab

[gentle mulch]

it's peppered in several interactions it's hilarious

[tired canyon]

Wonderlab is questionably canon

[faint pivot]

Oh I didn't consider Leviathan lmao, thought of it more as a prequel than a side story

[gentle mulch]

wonderlab iirc has some issues preventing it from being explicitly canon but is canon regardless in a non IP infringing way

[faint pivot]

If only because of the legal circumstances

[gentle mulch]

aberrations are never mentioned by name

and yet

here they are

[faint pivot]

They're around yeah

[main scaffold]

(Even without Carmen she probably still would have done most of what she did admittedly)

Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) And Carmen’s influence

[faint pivot]

Servant of Wrath is in Ruina

[vagrant dove]

I do think Carmen initially promises her the One Perfect Book will be at the end of the journey

So probably not exacrly the same

[split beacon]

If not for The Bullshit we would absolutely have run into the Wonderlab team as a Fixer office in Limbus

[vagrant dove]

I tend to read Angela as very directionless following her coup since like, her entire life has been the Script

[split beacon]

Hell, considering one of LCB’s jobs is reversing Distortions…

[vagrant dove]

And now she's free, and Carmen comes along with a new goal

Which she super latches onto

[gentle mulch]

honestly kinda surprising how much bullshit PJM has endured in this regard

especially with the small roots of lobcorp's development

[split beacon]

oh also: the Library is Angela's EGO right

is she the first post-White Nights effloresced EGO user

[gentle mulch]

i believe so

[faint pivot]

EGO? Yes. Effloresced? Perhaps

Because she's surprised by Philip's effloresce

I feel like hers is sourced differently

[tiny cave]

Tbf she doesn’t know the Library is her ego right?

[gentle mulch]

sheeeee does iirc

[main scaffold]

She doesn’t yeah

Gnocchian with Meatballs ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Tbf she doesn’t know the Library is her ego right?

[gentle mulch]

im unsure if she knows it by the start of the story

but i remember her mentioning something like "oh yeah this is my house lol"

[tiny cave]

“And by the way roland you have to pay rent by living here”

[gentle mulch]

"Angela.. you're not serious are you?"
" 🍿 "
"A-Ah."

[main scaffold]

I think it’s only after Zena mentions it that she realizes it

[gentle mulch]

that may be it

so yeah she super doesnt know atp

[vagrant dove]

I still find that post-circus dialogue so fucking funny

[gentle mulch]

real

[vagrant dove]

Sorry not circus, carnival

Just the way Angela instantly claps back with "Wnat amputated? Bones melt."

[gentle mulch]

"Sorry ma'am. I'll stop here."

[vagrant dove]

Also god the realization cutscenes like

Genuinely still make me sad

[gentle mulch]

imagine seeing roland do this bit for like 30 seconds which is actually like 30 hours in your processing time

[vagrant dove]

"I could be doing anything else right now."

[gentle mulch]

justified crashout

[vagrant dove]

Especially the one where she initially tries to ||befriend the sephirot||

But the script keeps resetting

[gentle mulch]

like it's so sad

[vagrant dove]

No wonder she ||wishes harm upon X in that lobcorp dialogue||

[gentle mulch]

i would have such a worse crashout at the end of lobcorp

like genuinely she handled it surprisingly well

"if he just said thank you once at the end of it all or acknowledged me at all, i wouldn't have done it."
like you kind soul

[vagrant dove]

LoR really allows her to interact w/ the sephirot and actually get a support system outside of the horrors

[gentle mulch]

in the form of the Worst to Ever Do It

roland casually pushing aside Everything He Did just to have this one revenge and turning into a house husband

[stoic fjord]

dawg I would genuinely create the infinite torture nexus for everyone else

[gentle mulch]

i would turn into AM

[vagrant dove]

To be fair, that is kind of what the Library is

At least initially

The Sephirot mostly' don't want to be there ||and the guests can't escape||

||of course, there's the caveat of choice, but a lot of the people who end up in the Library don't have one||

[gentle mulch]

i fucking love how much angela lords over roland's words like

"BUT YOU SAID IT WAS FAIR. YOU LITERALLY SAID THIS SYSTEM WAS MORE FAIR THAN THE CITY WHY ARE YOU CHANGING YOUR MIND."

[vagrant dove]

One thing I also really love about the receptions is how different ones parallel Roland and Angela

See ||Xiao and Love Town|| as two examples

[ebon forge]

writing an rpg...

[vagrant dove]

||Xiao for obvious reasons and Love Town because Tommy and Merry go through much the same experience Angela does, which is why it disturbs her so much||

[ebon forge]

not the actual name but ahab-class spell

[gentle mulch]

THE FAULT

[vagrant dove]

could the fault, in fact, lie with you

[vagrant dove]

But yeah they are my goats and I hope they ||are having Chill Times in the Outskirts||

||Kicked out for being too swag 😔||

God I just remembered the ||bucket list|| scene

It's SO peak

[tired canyon]

in every promotional art

he is just staring at the back of her neck

[gentle mulch]

world's worst fucking liar vs Literally And Completely Oblivious To Human Interaction

[dusty sigil]

When maintenance over?

[gentle mulch]

1hr 12m

[cosmic gorge]

An hour and 12 minues

Darn

[dusty sigil]

Thanks

[vagrant dove]

||in her defense, her conversation partners have been either people she can't get close to or X||

||so||

[gentle mulch]

I'm counting the minutes because i need that bokgak

[gentle mulch]

it's hilarious

just a comedy of errors

Roland can barely keep it together and Angela is like wow he's so nice. I'm glad i didn't kill him :)

[vagrant dove]

I just imagine Roland constantly being like

"Does she know?"

[main scaffold]

To be fair, at least some of Roland's friendly behavior towards Angela is genuine

[vagrant dove]

Oh absolutely yeah

[main scaffold]

To not be fair, girl how did you not notice the extremely thinly veiled rage

[uneven canopy]

she was born 10 years ago and 10,000,000,000 years ago, think that might have screwed with her people sense

[wintry fiber]

she's too used to less than thinly veiled rage

[vagrant dove]

Thinly veiled rage was her whole thing back in Lobcorp

As well

(Justifiably)

But yeah it is most likely the fact that the script kept her super isolated

[faint pivot]

There was hardly any reason for LobCorp folks to hide their anger if it was ever at her, yea

And even if it was hidden she'd find out about it eventually

Most likely through happenstance

[vagrant dove]

You know, it is kind of funny that the dynamic ostensibly gets flipped, with Roland taking the place of the assistant with ulterior motives

Of course it pans out very differently

It's absolutely not a perfect comparison, but I think it illustrates Ruina's whole thing of Breaking the Cycle

Anyway gn chat

[gentle mulch]

gn!

[cosmic gorge]

https://youtu.be/nOfyi6Aq5xM?si=y7elZfDqTSzaTxoo

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-sped-up-dj-elmo-dancing-ernie-dance-gif-23245789

the thumb have my favorite tracks in limbus so far

"Can a Texan use Chinese Aura Farming" and "Can Trumpets be Pirates"

[cosmic gorge]

also mexican-ish trumpets

[dusty sigil]

I think it’s very funny that despite being the trope of someone with many weapons they use and swap between constantly

Because Rien doesn’t choose the weapons himself he has preferences for his weapons that he’s very clear about

He likes weapons that are large, and he prefers cutting weapons to blunt and piercing weapons

[gentle mulch]

10 pull

did it

its all aura farming

ut3

oh

it's him..?

[ebon forge]

whose the thief???

[gentle mulch]

i think its him lol

[ebon forge]

lol

[main scaffold]

So that's a COMPLETE AND TOTAL EXTERMINATION! at turn 4 and then every three turns after it? (In normal battles)

Faster if he can use get kills with his base S3

[ebon forge]

solid af

[gentle mulch]

OH WOW

DONS VA CAN TALK THAT FAST WITHOUT A BREATH

[ebon forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-duel-come-at-me-bro-gif-11722651

[sweet island]

i turned all my enkephalin into modules whoops

guess im going back to farming twining threads today

[keen palm]

https://i.imgur.com/RlQBx8L.jpeg

FIRST ROLL BABY

[cosmic gorge]

dang

got rickcliff on the first roll when i was aiming to shard him and get rodya's ego first

next week, asmr rodya

[gentle mulch]

Saude:

[cosmic gorge]

look at this goober

[keen palm]

I enjoy that I can run a Middle and Ring team at the same time

farm that fuckin money

[gentle mulch]

oh he really does just change the music when you get enough vengeance

it's muffled in skill selection and not when in combat phase

[cosmic gorge]

oh shit i didnt think about that

corpoduo, fauvuo, big bro, lil bro and kiramael?

[keen palm]

Oh I don't mean on the field

I mean in the loadout

https://i.imgur.com/EvdUwsS.png

THE FAMILY GOES TO CHINA

[tiny cave]

god i forgot what a huge pain these sweepers were

[cosmic gorge]

hmmm

where to slot madonka and red eyes ryo for this team...

[tiny cave]

I was like "why is my crimson spring rolling 6+12" and saw it was the actual xichun lol

[gentle mulch]

just some bullshit i put together

[tiny cave]

you do know that reward bonus is capped at 120% right?

[gentle mulch]

just some bullshit i put together

[keen palm]

Keep in mind that you're getting two different reward bonuses

So might as well get the full 240%

[tiny cave]

ye add more ring for more twining threads reward

that's 80% twining threads and like 240% nocturnal

[gentle mulch]

i mean i kinda dont need it atp

im missinggg liiike

15 exp tickets and the non effect banners which idc abt

and i have this + the mirror dungeon

since the weekly refreshed

so im fine

[keen palm]

Might as well just put Rodya on the Docent either way

[gentle mulch]

implying i have rodya on the docent

smh not paying attention to my rolls

or lackthereof

[tiny cave]

OH MY GOD ITS PEAK

[keen palm]

Heishou just killed Mandon turn 1

what the hell

I just rolled 12 tails in a row

what the HELL man

[gentle mulch]

ohhf the gap moe

yeah u were getting Will You Play 100%

[cosmic gorge]

does limbis have a x2 speed function in combat or nah

[gentle mulch]

i wish

[cosmic gorge]

aww

[bronze zephyr]

oh ive maxed out twining threads lmaooo

apparently ricardo was confirmed for raid boss

[tiny cave]

"Hair coupon" doesn't even translate or they're just doing a bit by having him shout out HAIR COUPON in english

[bronze zephyr]

its peak

[tiny cave]

its peak

[keen palm]

SUPER HAIR COUPON in english

[bronze zephyr]

oh rodya new zayin rolls a 22 at TS1 and a 24 at TS4, so lower than What Is Cast at 28 but its attack weight with HP SP healing and three damage buffs so

[cosmic gorge]

graaah

next weekk

rodya eating my boxes

[tiny cave]

anyone think that ricardo gets sore from carrying the entire reputation of the middle

[split beacon]

Nah

He’s fucking swole

Squatting the Middle’s reputation is nothing

[solid junco]

thinking of finally using my anniversary ticket to get an id to make a proper heishou team, but i don't know which one to get

[tiny cave]

do you have maoryo

if so get si rodion

[solid junco]

I do not, only outis

[tiny cave]

get maoryo then

[lean fjord]

then get her

[split beacon]

My take is that Xishmael is a reserve unit for the Heishou

[lean fjord]

the Mao are overall the most useful Heishou

[solid junco]

Aw man, even better than drifting blade ryoshu? that's a shame

[split beacon]

The ones you NEED are Hong Lord and all the Mao followed by your choice of like

[tiny cave]

that's it, that's optimal rupture lol

hong lord and 3 maos

[solid junco]

Wow

Not even a full team, just the four?

[split beacon]

Really any three Heishou but I recommend the Si and Uma Sang

If you have Uma Sang you want Xishmael, they upgrade each other

[main scaffold]

Is Madonka still worth using over Middle Don even with all the middle buffs Heathcliff has?

Thyme, Dawnline Shoreman [🔔] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) hmmm
where to slot madonka and red eyes ryo for this team...

[split beacon]

The Mao Pack are absurdly good for Rupture and Hong Lord augments them (and they augment Hong Lord’s Rupture)

[tiny cave]

yeah its kind of a meme but its easy to stack rupture with just the four of them

the other units can mess it up due to being negative unless they clash win and even negative if they clash win so you can get messed up by skill rng

[keen palm]

The Middle Team just 2 turned Ricardo

[main scaffold]

Si Rodion is really good so I’d say her

hamblergher (he/they) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) thinking of finally using my anniversary ticket to get an id to make a proper heishou team, but i do… 📎

[keen palm]

Werner died turn 1

[tiny cave]

yes

[split beacon]

Si Rodion is a menace it’s true

[main scaffold]

It’s also Rodion’s best poise ID

And I think used with Hong Lord in mirror dungeon speedruns?

[tiny cave]

yes si rodion is good for md

[solid junco]

That and I can always shard maoshu but not si rodion rn

[bronze zephyr]

oh ok i dont have to shard middle don for envy res? neat

[tiny cave]

nah you still do because you're gonna facade middle don over madonka for envy res

but yeah madonka's s2 does more damage than middle's s3 pretty sure

[bronze zephyr]

mm icic

should I level and uptie my middle meur,,

[tiny cave]

its a really insane level of damage diff even if middle is using s3 every turn, and she can't because sometimes enemy gets staggered or there's not enough skills to counter or w.e.

[solid junco]

Alright, locking in si rodion

[bronze zephyr]

or would kira ish + middle sinc + middle heath + math outis + madon be good as core

[bronze zephyr]

yeah true true

[tiny cave]

i assume middle heath, middle sinc, mathoutis, middle ish, madonka, aedd greg and uhh insert unit here

don't really need middle meur anymore because there isn't enough charge units for electric screaming

maybe just double slot heath lol

[bronze zephyr]

mm interesting ok, aedd for envy def+goated in general?

[tiny cave]

envy def, goated in general, charge support for madonka

[bronze zephyr]

mhmhm

MCrack Faust prolly for 7th

[cosmic gorge]

snake rodion deserves treats and hugss
shes doing her best and her best is stellar

[split beacon]

No Potential Woman showing the fuck up again

When we get Valencina Rodion that’ll be the third time she’s gotten a ridiculously talented character who just kinda wins at stuff as an ID

[keen palm]

https://i.imgur.com/42nGG9H.png

This looks cool

[split beacon]

Like yeah Valencina lost in the story but Valencina’s backstory is that of rising to extraordinary fame and success as a war hero

Rodion once again getting an ID that suggests that she might not be special but she is legitimately Her™

[tiny cave]

valencina lost because we showed up with a colour fixer and something more powerful than a colour fixer

[split beacon]

She’s been her. Is her. Will continue to be her. Checked the book of old Greek myths and she’s Hercules. Gotta get a snake scientist on this because it’s a Her-petology question. She’s seasoned with seven Her-bs and spices.

Looked at Rodion’s back and she’s got a Her-niated disc from carrying the team.

Gotta sit her down in the Her-man Miller chair.

She’s her.

[split beacon]

I think it’s really funny that Vergilius whooped her and she said “fuck you, run it back, final destination no items Fox only” and then nearly actually won the runback hung over

Valencina, pouring the vodka over her cereal: “oooh Red Gaze I’m gonna give it to ya”
The Red Gaze, actually getting it given to him: “I wish I was killing that Ring guy right now, this shit sucks”

Also the Red Gaze after nominally finishing his job: “oh, cool, it gets worse”

[tiny cave]

"god i wish i was back in leviathan this limbus shit sucks"

[keen palm]

Oh huh

I never realized that Yihuan was killed by the Shi family, not Jia Qiu

[tiny cave]

why else would they call their family the death family

[keen palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REn8jTtgG6k

The theme switch makes this so fucking funny

[main scaffold]

WHAT

[cosmic gorge]

whAT?

[ebon forge]

thats the funniest fucking shit ever

[keen palm]

What???

What does this even mean

[split beacon]

Ricardo and Ricardocliff, in unison: “who’s this douchebag”

[main scaffold]

Followed immediately by: “THAT’S GOING IN THE BOOK!”

[tiny cave]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ovfqEIPZIUs

[keen palm]

Oh

I killed him too quick for this lmao

[tired canyon]

Apparently ricardocliff's S3 can clash against lei Heng on first turn witouth morositas and just

Win

[tiny cave]

nah i'd win

makes sense tho

lei heng rolls pretty low

even despite his +23 levels, that's only a 7ish clash power difference

his double slash rolls like a 9 or something, 9+7 = 16

[main scaffold]

I know Heathcliff is just uppercutting Ricardo, but I’m going to pretend they both used the move and slammed into each other on the way up

Gnocchian with Meatballs ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ovfqEIPZIUs 📎

[dusty sigil]

https://youtu.be/xmt59CFbPvc?si=-hkCMQYsRf-H_Y4O

Every Heathcliff must solo 6-48

[mystic ermine]

Every Heathcliff must solo 6-48

[keen palm]

https://i.imgur.com/1fYh0Uq.png

[ebon forge]

Can someone support ID their ricardocliff plz

[keen palm]

Oh ye

Lemme finish this MD fight

[keen palm]

Mine's slotted

dunno if we're friends or not

B040021602

[bronze zephyr]

Oh I should check

[keen palm]

o

[bronze zephyr]

I should not open limbus rn but I can’t sleep so

[keen palm]

there is an update

[bronze zephyr]

Hotfix or?

[keen palm]

dunno!

Probably

[bronze zephyr]

Oh yeah ig the update wouldn’t say lmao,, yeah prolly

[tiny cave]

Yep done

[keen palm]

I hate to inform everyone, by hate I mean love and by inform I mean backflip upon

[bronze zephyr]

yk in hindsight trying to get back into trading with Goethe’s Faust part 1 may have been a mistake

LMAO

[keen palm]

It's just that easy

[bronze zephyr]

Waow

[keen palm]

JUST the middle on the field the whole time

[bronze zephyr]

I don’t have Ricardocliff and probably won’t for another month so I’m clearing MDs w Heishou for the next couple weeks 😔

[keen palm]

No secret bosses either

The only two casualties in the final final fight was Mersault and ironically

Heathcliff

[tiny cave]

Is this Matthias secret gift or are they all just using S3 by floor 13 or so

[keen palm]

No secret gifts

I didn't get any bosses

But yes, Heath, Ishmael, and Sinclair are all rolling 80+ by the end

Though I guess not entirely true on secret gifts

The Bokgak Ricardo fight also drops a secret gift

for the middle

I didn't even get the boombox though

[faint pivot]

Oh huh

How's that work?

[keen palm]

Ricardos sunglasses

[faint pivot]

No no no like

Drop as in defeating him gives it or

[keen palm]

Every 11+ floor now has its own unique gift

Seems like

https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1szn60p/all_new_and_changed_tier_iv_ego_gifts_for_md/#lightbox

Or at least a lot of em do

[faint pivot]

More themepacks too!

I didn't even realize MDE got an update

[tiny cave]

That’s a lot of tremor and suspicious N Corp

I’m feeling N Corp Taboo Hunter Mersault in the near future (maybe next canto)

[vagrant dove]

Can't wait to get to C10 and see a node titled "Hello?"

Since we know N-Corp has access to something akin to Mimicry EGO, I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes relevant

Especially as their EGO attunement gets more refined

[atomic steeple]

At first, hashihime was just a ghostly woman awaiting her lover on a bridge, but later myths made her a guardian or a jealous demon
Sge came to be associated with the straw doll curse

In the curse you nail a straw doll to a sacred tree 7 days in a roll, to curse a target with death

[cosmic gorge]

new Nails abnormality

[atomic steeple]

You're the reason the sufferings never end /s

[vagrant dove]

Oh also, talk of rodya being hypercompetant earlier has reminded me, the Welfare team is kinds fucking stacked

[atomic steeple]

E-Type Dimensional Dagger
W corp got HRT daggers? Lol

[vagrant dove]

Meursault and his EGO Alteration+Kodya+a former Safety Team Captain (Ryoshu)

[cosmic gorge]

oh shit

[vagrant dove]

Ryoshu's talent, from the IDs we have of her, seems to be dual wielding EGO weapons

Since both of them are dual (Red Eyes and Penitance, Faint Aroma and Solitude)

[stoic fjord]

HOLY SHIT IT'S SO AURA

[tiny cave]

He does it on 5-30 as well

https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1sznoe1/middle_heathcliff_530_interaction/

[cosmic gorge]

gap moe Outis is adorable

[atomic steeple]

https://funkyfreshalien.tumblr.com/post/812832350608277504/some-of-ryoshus-ids-are-so-fucking-funny-now-that

salem struggle posts

some of ryoshus ids are so fucking funny now that we know the context of her backstory. can you imagine how pissed the nursefathers would be seeing her become a low-grade fixer for an association. a heishou. a member of the yurodivy. i think if i were valencina and saw her become a kurokumo clan wakashu id kill her

-# #limbus company #lcb ryoshu #trained to be the ultimate weapon #did crazy shit to escape #ends up becoming a butler #or a washed up gourmet #or just a fucking wing company woman #clock in for her 9-5 at w or l corp #how badly do you think rien and valencina want to k*ll themselves in those mirror worlds #i dont think callisto or matthias would be haters though. well matthias would be if she joined a different syndicate #so hed be a hater for her kurokumo clan id #which imo is the FUNNIEST id for her to have #not even a normal fucking thumb member. a thumb SUBSIDIARY. and not even that high up in that #god thats SO funny

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[faint pivot]

Hook Office Ryoshu is peak

(uptie cameo)

[stoic fjord]

...

Charon drifted to get us past the under construction highway

Outis is my cutie patootie

[faint pivot]

She's him? Chat is this real?

[stoic fjord]

(in reference to Qingtao)

[crimson spindle]

Crackpot theory: outis as udjat is popular. However, you know what other faction would be drawn into war over a grudge, has a number of darker skinned members, would probably require erasing your name to escape membership of, and we now know is associated with long journeys?

[stoic fjord]

Middle Outis...

she does mention the Index, and being wary of them, and the Fingers often clash...

[crimson spindle]

Also no outis ID exposes any skin below about her collarbone

[stoic fjord]

Barber Outis

but also, 200 year old bloodfiend

so

wait no that's another part of her dress

[crimson spindle]

Yeah

Its unusual in that none of them even show her arms

[atomic steeple]

Dork

These were the hallmarks of a "badass" and "cool" entrance befitting a Big Brother of the Middle, thought the child.

[vagrant dove]

Possibly this could be because of the general themes around clothing and disguise in the Odyssey (especially the faxt that Odysseus has a Very Distinctive Scar that leads to his disguise being blown in the Ithaca section of the epic, fortunately by someone predisposed towards him)

Possibly I'm reading too much into it, though

[atomic steeple]

I am so right about the middle and envy

It's about the shame of having to show myself under the sun day after day with a hairdo that has slid so far into the world of the bristly… It's about the desperation of wanting to hide under a cap, yet having to parade around my humiliation… because wearing a cap would've sapped even more vitality from my hair!

He is obsessed with the "wound" he took from being robbed, and how it made his insecurities sting

That's right, you daft bastard. That hair coupon you stole from me is now lusciousness incarnate.

[vagrant dove]

Also uh, with Dante becoming more bloodthirsty and Outis' canto coming up, entirely new light on one of her base id voicelines

How much are you ready to sacrifice for victory, Executive Manager? How much of yourself are you willing to let go if it means you can win...?

[vagrant dove]

You flapping your lying gob, baskin' in that lusciousness like you're the only one who earned it…

Yeah that read was very good

[stoic fjord]

...we're sorry for stealing the coupons, Ricardo. I never meant to hurt you like that. We never meant to hurt you like that.

[cosmic gorge]

i forgot

did heath confirm he still has them or nah

[faint pivot]

He does, but then Kira asked for them

[cosmic gorge]

he gave em?

[faint pivot]

Unclear

He didn't give a clear response

[atomic steeple]

Ricardo is going through some shit

[stoic fjord]

With solemn grace, I accept this deserved vengeance.

[cosmic gorge]

which heishous have we not gotten yet

tigers and dragons

[vagrant dove]

Also like

Is the guy in the UT story fucking ||Shi Yihua||lmao

That's genuinely a perfect touch

Like
||-pawn of someone else
-uses "sweep" based puns and thinks he's hot shit
-called a "half-pint" by Heathcardo||

[tiny cave]

But he’s the irkking

[stoic fjord]

Dogs

[vagrant dove]

Hey guys

Irkking Heathcliff?!

Not what I'm called

[tiny cave]

Yeah everyone knows his real name is John Isekai from the hit series “I couldn’t confess my love for my girlfriend, so now I have to behead myself in every alternative universe”

[vagrant dove]

John Wuthering

[cosmic gorge]

John Narnia

[gentle mulch]

i love you so much outis youre so pathetic especially and specifically when youre competent

[faint pivot]

iRKING hEETHCLIPU?

I realized I had caps lock on halfway there but tis funnier so it stayed on

[cosmic gorge]

also

setting up ringrodya's s3-2 is so satisfying

go my beloved wolf artist

zoomies into their guts

[quaint cliff]

1100 lunashii… 👀

[faint pivot]

Hah, I wanna grab more IDs so bad

[vagrant dove]

Go my fauvist docent

[faint pivot]

But I have to wait

For line 6's guaranteed ticket

[cosmic gorge]

i miss 00 ids 😭

[vagrant dove]

I'm currently experiencing the problem of too many ids and not enough resources

I miss them too

[cosmic gorge]

ringsault couldve been a cheap to raise 00

dawg clashes like one too

[vagrant dove]

Now every id needs like

200 something thread and 50 ego shards

[cosmic gorge]

might as wellll

[stoic fjord]

...wait, big brother Heathcliff's uptie story

It implies that Ricardo is on the path to becoming a Great Brother

MY GOAT WILL FAR SURPASS THAT FRAUD MATTHIAS

[vagrant dove]

He's doing a training arc rn trust

[faint pivot]

So among the tier 2 Finger fodder we've met, the ranking is:

1. Lei Heng
2. Ricardo
3. Rufo

[vagrant dove]

My glorious king getting burn for his sinner id means that ricado will be the next wielder of leviatain

[faint pivot]

L.H. is a Thumber for now, since all the Pinkertons we know of don't include their rank if they have any

[stoic fjord]

"Fodder"

[vagrant dove]

Lei Heng is kind of an abnormality because he's very fucking strong

[faint pivot]

And we've seen no Proxy so

[stoic fjord]

Dawg

[faint pivot]

Went for the aliteration

[stoic fjord]

Fair

[vagrant dove]

Fodder in ruina terms but not in ours

[faint pivot]

Oh

Fighter

Damn I should get some rest lmao

[faint pivot]

Honestly?

I forgot we just

Decked 3 Capos and 3 Proxies plus their aids

[stoic fjord]

[faint pivot]

Heck

A Sottocapo too

And a Messenger for that matter

Man that gulf is massive

[vagrant dove]

||+two (technically three) colour fixers||

[faint pivot]

Well yeah but

We get to them later on

We feel pretty far on this rung

[atomic steeple]

Lei heng ego

[vagrant dove]

Truke!

His ass becoming a yardstick is so funny

"How strong is this enemy, Dante"

"About 0.5 lei hengs I think"

[faint pivot]

Hey, we've ran his ass through long enough waiting for this season

Might as well make use of all that data, lmao

[cosmic gorge]

notice how theyre all blunt

idk where to go from here

but theyre all blunt

[faint pivot]

L.H. does slash

But yeah no one pierces yet

[stoic fjord]

No, Lei Heng is mono-slash iirc

It's Capo Meursault that has a blunt tanglecleaver

[cosmic gorge]

oh isee

[faint pivot]

I find it hilarious that the contract fucks with edge alignment of all things

Like okay yeah knowledge is power but also dang lmao

No wonder Outis sounds pissed half the time, I'd be mad too if I couldn't bring myself to slide jump in Ultrakill (for example)

[dusty sigil]

I don’t know if you could stab with that sword even if you wanted to

[vagrant dove]

V1 signs the contract, loses their ability to parry properly

[atomic steeple]

||https://radio-fry.tumblr.com/post/814992160945586177/its-corporism-time-babey-this-will-honestly-be||
Corporism and callisto analysis

ᴛʜᴇ ᴀʀᴛ ᴏꜰ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇxᴛᴇʀɪᴏʀ

it's corporism time babey, this will honestly be more an analysis of callisto with emphasis on his pieces because corporism is so intertwined with its creator that to leave him out of it is to miss part of why it's fallen out of style. spoilers I think they did a really good job with all of it

Before getting into the pieces themselves, discerning what Corporism _is_​ will be beneficial. There are a few pieces of dialogue that directly—or indirectly—state both the practices and values of a skilled Corporist.

Most objectively, Corporism focuses on the interactions between bone and muscle, which will, for the most part, be seen in every piece of Callisto's we're shown. What's briefly mentioned in Ryōshū's description, though, is the integration of Cubist techniques....

Tumblr · Apr 26, 2026, 8:58 PM

Blog that loves the ring

Trans and disabled people would have rocked this movement, if they got leadership

I now kinda want to study more anatomy and medicine just to make art based on the human body

[keen palm]

Technically Callisto is disabled

[atomic steeple]

True

[keen palm]

Albina too

[atomic steeple]

||https://www.tumblr.com/docmother/807626279580991488/is-rien-just-a-bad-copy-of-roland-1||
Rien analysis

now, as we know, rien is a Very Buddhist Boy, or at least, he seems to be overwhelmingly pilled on buddhism-as-philosophy, and it sculpts his language and shapes his entire worldview. A lot of what he says in his dialogue in story and battle scenes pertain to concepts within Mahayana Buddhism - even though I read him as very clearly in 'error', spiritually, on a couple of key points, and I think the game is clearly inviting us to explore that. anyways, all of that is to say, I think it's very useful to place Rien in this context.

[stoic fjord]

I wonder if the Flow and the Will of the City are separate

[unique bane]

https://radio-fry.tumblr.com/post/814291828099661824/i-have-yet-to-finish-twining-threads-busy-but?is_related_post=1

ᴛʜᴇ ᴀʀᴛ ᴏꜰ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇxᴛᴇʀɪᴏʀ

I have yet to finish twining threads (busy) but the one Fauvist gallery they give us does a really good job at not only portraying what I think is the most common flaw in the works of Fauvist students but how Émile Benoît subverts this by, to be succinct, Giving A Shit...

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[crimson spindle]

which is funny, because the index are very much more taoist in nature

[atomic steeple]

"Oops, wrong religion"
-Rien abd virgo shaka

[crimson spindle]

I can see the Buddhist angle too though

Giving up desire to the point where youre just a puppet

A sort of dark Buddha, with no self and no desires but not ascended, just wretchedly bumbling about on the earth

Because there's no hope of nirvana to fill you; youre just empty

Instead of oneness and wholeness with the universe, you are empty and utterly alone. You have thrown away "I" but the universe still spins on uncaring and absurd.

[atomic steeple]

No wonder yi sang got him and the butterfly of strings ego

[worthy haven]

thats pretty hot https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1szq10q/new_heathcardo_strat_ft_lamp_gregor/

[dusty sigil]

Based on Rien larping as Roland years before Roland was even born I can’t imagine they’re entirely separate

The gods operate with fate in mind

[lime swan]

The game had been pretty openly hostile to Buddhism in general and the core message of the PM games has always at least vaguely been You gotta fucking care dude connect to the people around you

Self actualization ends up being something that necessitates the other. It is a personal thing but always shown to be undertaken with the help of someone else

[dusty sigil]

Do you mean Carmen?

[lime swan]

No

[dusty sigil]

Oh

[lime swan]

Carmen is a demiurge, she's the gate that tries to make you fail to see the divine light, this is extremely literal as she's an intruder in the daat

[keen palm]

Canto 8 is fairly anti Buddhist i feel like

As it shows that detachment is not a reasonable nor desirable thing

[atomic steeple]

The blog has analysis on the nursefathers as types of attachment too

[lime swan]

Carmens philosophy is one of self isolation in which only your feelings are important to your self realization

[atomic steeple]

With rien being paradoxically an attachment to not self, while shiomi is attached to the sekf

[lime swan]

If you look at the cantos most of the moments of growth from the sinners either involve another sinner or dante being there for them emotionally or literally for them to make their decision, Ishmael's is probably one of the most obvious but heath cliffs is an excellent example of the contrast between isolation and connection as he's literally fighting a version of himself that completely cut himself off while heath managed to be the one version of himself that broke the cycle by literally going in there and talking to her with Dante's help

I just think it's a pretty clear message

Caring is cool, you should care about things - John Limbusconpany

[keen palm]

No I need to not give a shit so I can get 6 mang rings fuxj youghfhh.....

[dusty sigil]

Voy are you alright?

[crimson spindle]

I don't think it's hostile to buddhism as a whole, it's hostile to the sort of pop-buddhist You Gotta Stand Alone and Stoic Yourself position. Various types of buddhism are much more, you are connected to everything, you are everything, you need to treat everything and everyone with grace and compassion because Everything is Buddha-Nature

buddhism is a big tent (or a big vehicle, har har) with a lot of variation

[lime swan]

Right but it is hostile to the idea of detachment from worldly things, that much is again very explicit in hong lus canto

[crimson spindle]

there's a lot of drawing from eastern buddhist horror

[keen palm]

I still kinda think its anti Buddhism in the sense that Limbus invites you to revel in the messy and fulfilling relationships you are defined by

[crimson spindle]

which is commonly on the things I sort of talked about before, buddhism being an emptying void/corrupt buddhism turning to hedonism and depravity

if you want to see a really good example that I think probably had some influence on stuff like the Buddha Mutri abno watch Incantation (2022)

[stoic fjord]

I think it's kinda interesting that gluttony is a sin and greed isn't

From what I can tell, often in PMoon gluttony seems to be wanting more out of life, for oneself or those they care for

Vs. Greed seeming to maybe just be wanting more for the sake of having more

I wonder why one is a sin and the other is not

[lean fjord]

Gluttony covers both here

[cloud wadi]

Rien is interesting

Because for a man who is in an organization bound by faith

He is a faithless man

[lime swan]

The deadly sins are a Christian interpretation of evil and I think pm is more interested in psychological flaws while also being an autistic story written by a well read autist who really likes using cool concepts, in that sense it makes sense to rework the sins to still be able to call for them for the imagery

[stoic fjord]

I suppose

Yeah that's fair

[lime swan]

Idk if that's a full reading of rien and the index, like the whole point of the index is that their faith is empty, it's about giving up control of the choices you make in life in favor of a higher power deciding for you

And I think that because we are in a fantasy setting we forget tha the will of the city could totally just be random ass numbers that happen to be right at times

[keen palm]

It's not the Index, it's Rien

Rien, specifically, is faithless, as he's a failure just like the rest of the Nursefathers

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[lime swan]

Read the lottery of babylon

Oh in that sense, okay ye

[cloud wadi]

He can’t believe in anything he can’t see

[keen palm]

See that's not quite correct to me

[cloud wadi]

He’s afraid of his interpretation mismatching with the truth

[keen palm]

Yeah, that's the thing

He is more concerned with objectivity

[cloud wadi]

Which is faithless

[stoic fjord]

A good Proxy not only has faith in the Will of the City, but also their own ability to interpret the prescripts

There is no objectivity to them if you truly believe you are carrying out their will

[cloud wadi]

Yeah he espouses objectivity

[keen palm]

Rien is still, seemingly, a good Proxy until the end

Since his murder basement still aligns with the Will of the Prescripts

[cloud wadi]

In fact it’s a shared murder basement

Used by multiple index seemingly

[keen palm]

?

I don't think that's the case

The Index seems to be ordered to reclaim the dungeon

[unique bane]

how so?

[cloud wadi]

Give up individual desires

[crimson spindle]

taoism is both much more strongly associated with divination and also the release of resistance to the Way

which is something that is more individualy defined

[cloud wadi]

Make yourself the vessel for the Way

(The Tao)

[stoic fjord]

The Flow...

[crimson spindle]

but fundamentally is giving up on things that cause problems in your life in favor of following a sort of spiritual path of least resistance

taoism is really big on divination

[keen palm]

More like the DOW am i right fellas

[crimson spindle]

from a daoist perspective rien is in violation of the way because he's actively subsuming himself to something that clearly is harming him spiritually

[stoic fjord]

You are shot fifteen times

[keen palm]

I parry every bullet

Because I am a real serious combatant

[crimson spindle]

if he was truly aligned with his way he would be happy and content

and he clearly is not

[stoic fjord]

Sending the Black Silence to just kill you

[crimson spindle]

he's trying to force it and that's like the worst possible sin

as much as sin is a concept in daoism, it's not that kinda religion

[lime swan]

Sent to the shrimp soda boat

[stoic fjord]

Sent to do insight work on Spider Bud

[crimson spindle]

anyway the index to me reads as a sort of brute force daoism, divination and then sending instructions to followers who then must force themselves on to the divinatory way

instead of being able to find their own

however, there is one significantly more taoist organization we've seen in the city

[stoic fjord]

Ricardo has been losing sleep over being bristly 😭

[cloud wadi]

In that sense isn’t it also reminiscent of Greco Roman religious practices

[crimson spindle]

who actually have a very similar aesthetic

Hana Association.

[split beacon]

I mean, if we're talking about the Index, I think that ancient Greek religious practices are a lot more relevant and the Index are very much in that mystery cult niche

[crimson spindle]

I think it's a bunch of things

[cloud wadi]

Yeah I can see that

[keen palm]

Everything in Limbus is a bunch of things

Why are the Index randomly Italian

[split beacon]

Latin

[cloud wadi]

Greek

[keen palm]

Greeks stopped not being Italian long ago, don't try to trick me........

[crimson spindle]

hana association is the clear taoists, they have the specifically taoist divination practices, etc.

but they're like, formal taoists

the priesthood

[cloud wadi]

They even have an attack called divinatory strike etc

[stoic fjord]

The Thumb are Italian Mafia Cowboys

[split beacon]

the Index have a bunch of Latin references and like, aesthetic callouts to Catholicism and the Vatican specifically

it's a curve ball

[keen palm]

I mean more their groups being called Familia

[crimson spindle]

but hana association are also clearly western in a lot of ways, the suits, the organization, etc

again they're all a mixed reference bag

[cloud wadi]

Oh wait you mean the Thumb?

[split beacon]

yeah they notably are Familia and not Famiglia

[cloud wadi]

Huh

[stoic fjord]

...I swear it was Famiglia?

[split beacon]

the Thumb use "Famiglia"

[stoic fjord]

Wait huh what

[cloud wadi]

Index use familia at some point?

[stoic fjord]

Who's Familia

[crimson spindle]

Yes

[keen palm]

Index

[split beacon]

the Index do in fact use the term "Familia"

[crimson spindle]

Gloria et al are a familia

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhh ok

[cloud wadi]

That’s interesting

[crimson spindle]

because again, latin

[split beacon]

which is the Latin spelling

[stoic fjord]

Neato

[crimson spindle]

not italian

[keen palm]

A grouping of Index are a Familia

[split beacon]

there's a bunch of Latin references in the Index's special terminology

[fickle crown]

Kinda fuckass conversations Pointillist Outis be having with Fauvist Meursault
https://youtube.com/shorts/IS9e58NTH2M?si=OqV7gkZ9yxapYdx9

[crimson spindle]

(some of this is definitely that KJH et al are referencing foreign/ancient practices and then cross-referencing them to more familiar ones)

(in terms of actual behavior)

[stoic fjord]

On the topic of the Fingers

I fucking love Valencina's design and battle stuff so much

[fickle crown]

"Have you been drinking paint?"

Never ask a Fauvist that

[stoic fjord]

Horrible person but genuinely also so much aura in her rage and anger

[split beacon]

the Index are really interesting if you know about the like

[crimson spindle]

(in the same way that every fictional religion in western fantasy is a little bit christian)

[split beacon]

Ancient Greek concepts of the human psyche

and how the Gods in the Odyssey act as externalizations of psychological functions, down to Odysseus's cunning frequently being not his own but the influence of Athena

[crimson spindle]

I wonder if there's some of the ol' bicameral mind nonsense mixed in there too

[split beacon]

the bicameral mind thing is kind of interrelated with the gods-and-spirits-are-externalizations-of-mental-functions thing

which fits REALLY well with new developments of Index lore lol

ascribing the abilities of individuals not to their own unique strengths and weaknesses, but to the influence and love of gods and spirits who take interest in mortals and influence them to specific ends

[stoic fjord]

Still obsessed with Outis's slip-up with referring to the Index by their gods and such

[split beacon]

it's really interesting

[crimson spindle]

one of the influences we have to watch for that isn't going to be easily visible from our perspectives is korean shamanism

[split beacon]

Odysseus, in the Odyssey, frequently does Smart Things but isn't a Smart Guy he's just loved by Athena because that's how the Greeks thought about that

well

[crimson spindle]

which also has a strong tradition of divination by possession

[split beacon]

I overstate a little, he's loved by Athena because he's cunning and wise but his best ideas are fed to him by Athena, there's some back-and-forth

[dusty sigil]

I do think it’s important however that his final action before his death was to ignore a prescript

[split beacon]

This is tiresome...

[dusty sigil]

Even if a small and seemingly unimportant one

[keen palm]

I mean he was ignoring the prescript entirely at that point

[crimson spindle]

Fun fact: i found out about korean shamanistic practice because a pretty major pro tekken player is a shaman as his day job

which kind of rules

[split beacon]

wait that fucks

[dusty sigil]

Hermes final joke at his expense was asking him to finally kill himself with his least favorite of weapons

[crimson spindle]

It's Chanel

[dusty sigil]

The thing he had once internally been frustrated at him for giving him all those years ago

[keen palm]

But yeah like

[split beacon]

(Chanel used to be a cook but after he got a accident in the kitchen he became possessed by spirit and became a shaman or medium)

powerful

[crimson spindle]

that's why his @ on youtube is MUDANG, which is the term for a shaman

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

Usually a female shaman

But technically can be used gender neutrally I think

[crimson spindle]

yeah I'd trust 'im

[cloud wadi]

Heh

[split beacon]

whenever I hear about possession in eastern spiritual beliefs my brain has to go through a very specific process of remembering how that's not necessarily a bad thing

[keen palm]

he stops Ryoshu from leaving because he wants to, he stops ignoring the prescripts in the fight, he calls her Ryoshu instead of Yoshihide

[cloud wadi]

He’s got the defensive tricolor set up in his logo

[split beacon]

and then I remember a very important Holiday Yasumi comic

[cloud wadi]

Yeah that’s legit

[dusty sigil]

Yah, though I do wonder if it’s just another case of the will accounting for these rebellious acts

[cloud wadi]

Is that a red bull logo

Lmfao

[dusty sigil]

Since Hermes still grants him weapons to fight us with

[split beacon]

source: @horideiyasumi on twitter

[dusty sigil]

Despite Ryōshū staying being his wish instead of Hermes’s

[cloud wadi]

Yeah id say Hermes probably accounted for his rebellion

That’s the primary argument of the index after all

[dusty sigil]

Rien’s weapon being controlled by the prescripts really does make all his actions more interesting

[cloud wadi]

“It doesn’t matter if you oppose us or support us”

[dusty sigil]

Since they nominally give Hermes’s approval for them

[cloud wadi]

“All your actions benefit us regardless”

[dusty sigil]

He physically cannot fight without his God allowing him to

[cloud wadi]

It’s the learned helplessness in the face of an empire basically

Or the system

“Oppose the system, or support it, or seethe against it, it doesn’t matter. As long as you interact with the system you are still within its design”

[split beacon]

there's a joke in here about EGO gear corrosion I think

[cloud wadi]

Only real answer to the index is to ignore it completely

So what if our actions are within its design

We aren’t exactly going to leave Ryoshu behind to spite the gods

[split beacon]

"isn't it bad that Heathcliff grew ears and a tail from wearing that hobo suit too much"
Cathy: "no that's benign don't worry about it we don't have to do anything about that"

[dusty sigil]

Outis suggests we should have done that

[split beacon]

outis needs to stop consulting the oracles I think

[dusty sigil]

Actually I just realized probably the only reason why the index isn’t hunting Outis is because whatever she did was under her former name

[keen palm]

I don't think that would work

[dusty sigil]

I mean maybe not name but identity in general

Odysseus would have gotten away with wounding the cyclops if he didn’t reveal his real name after all

[split beacon]

ya knooooow

[keen palm]

Well yeah but like, mechanically, I think the prescripts would just send guys "At the Limbus Company bus" until they died

[split beacon]

it might just be that the name outis is somehow shielding her

maybe not from the Index

but definitely from something

[dusty sigil]

Maybe yah

However, I do think it’d be funny if there was a prescript for “Kill Odysseus”

So Outis just changed her name

And got away with it

[crimson spindle]

did you see my crackpot middle outis theory

[split beacon]

no

[crimson spindle]

and then also outis is notably one of the only sinners we have never seen any skin of arms or legs of

all of her IDs are buttoned up to just below the collarbone

molar outis exposes the most and it's only up to the forearms

[split beacon]

it's weird that she knows about gods though

[dusty sigil]

And her outfit in the smoke war was a proper military uniform

Even if the middle does dress up more for wartime it was colored green

No white or purple on it

Honestly with any Outis theory you kinda have to recognize that she dressed like this before limbus company

Which doesn’t fit the uniform of any wing or finger we’ve met

[bronze zephyr]

Where’s the first image from?

[cloud wadi]

It’s possible to know about the gods but not their connection to the index—Roland briefly mentions he encountered a god before but didn’t seem to know they were connected to the Index

So gods probably have agents and interested separate from the Index

[dusty sigil]

The prerelease trailer for limbus company

They did a flash of each sinner’s past/canto

[bronze zephyr]

Mm ic

[dusty sigil]

It’s also possible she was a believer in the will of the city while not being an official member of the index

It’s a religion, and you don’t have to be apart of its cult to believe in it

[graceful bridge]

sorry to be a bother, anyone in the chat who can answer a potentially obscure Mirror Dungeon question I have? It's related to replacing skills - specifically if I have a follow-up skill (Driftshu or Night Awl Greg) am I still able to get followups if I remove all copies of that skill via Skill Replace?
Trying to figure out if I'm removing the last s2 or the last s1 for another s3 before I hit f11-15 for what will hopefully be a 60 adversity run

[bronze zephyr]

Yep

I’m fairly sure

[crimson spindle]

those followup skills are technically in code as s1-2 or s2-2 iirc

they're not actually the original skill

[fickle crown]

It's only relevant if you're required to generate x affinity for y gift thing

[graceful bridge]

o7 this helps a lot ty everyone, just wanted to make sure I didn't remove free damage I'm using in the quest for bigger active damage skills

[lean fjord]

if the followup isn't dependent on the actual skill, you're fine

[lean fjord]

this should be fine, it definitely works with FAS Ryoshu
she can still do the free S1 without having any S1 in deck

[graceful bridge]

rnsNoted

I'm aware of not removing certain keyword skills so that various gifts stay active (e.g. cinqsault can't go all in on s3 or else he loses poise) and the sin-affinity skills make sense, wasn't sure how followups were handled though and couldn't find notes on them anywhere so this helps a lot for not accidentally removing something useful

ty all again <3

[atomic steeple]

Oh yeah, my form empties also has a whole thing about its compassion being hollow, no one can shoulder another's suffering

[keen palm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tLyu8Rn1I4

[lime swan]

Man solo rien is fucked

That's too many forced furioso phases

[lime swan]

Dodge mandatory I guess

[tired canyon]

yay

[tired canyon]

anyone got

heathcardo as a sup

[bronze zephyr]

^ voy does

also: scuffed blunt against ricardo for hard mode lmao

[keen palm]

His EGOs aren't great

but he is a fully leveled Ricardocliff

and it's all you need

[bronze zephyr]

real

[keen palm]

https://youtube.com/shorts/X6MUzRmOSlQ?si=jnwv2V4NLFsidgR9

[bronze zephyr]

😭

also god i forgot that xichun cannot clash for shit against the sweepers no wonder she goes thru cultivation

[fickle crown]

I kinda wish Xishmael got a buff when spring cultivation was added...

[bronze zephyr]

hes blasting off

[bronze zephyr]

alas

[main scaffold]

She did, it's called Wu Sang

ganransu. ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) I kinda wish Xishmael got a buff when spring cultivation was added...

[bronze zephyr]

oh yeah she like.. gets an extra s3 when he uses his s3-2 or sm

mm yeah

[split beacon]

Playing full Heishou, Xishmael actually cooks pretty hard in that team

Especially if you substitute her in for an injured Heishou via Heishou Keenclaw

The team’s whole concept is built around summoning reinforcements and Xishmael has a huge advantage when substituting in

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah I always field Lord, Mao Trio, Horse Yi Sang, Xichunmael, Snake Rodya

[split beacon]

Also

Next season how are they gonna run 2 bokgaks

[main scaffold]

A Pilgrimage of Compassion rerun of course!

God I wish

[bronze zephyr]

I mean presumably they'll just run Cultivation

[split beacon]

Like

Are we getting an early BokGak for Twining Threads, or are we getting 3 new Intervallos

Because people will freak out if Pilgrimage of Compassion ultimately ends up eating an event slot from the season it would have rerun if it wasn’t a collab

[bronze zephyr]

My guess is that it'll just be two intervallos and a bokgak, two railways, maybe an extra Walp? or just a shorter season

[split beacon]

(Please be 3 Intervallos it would fuck so hard)

[bronze zephyr]

oh yeah next season might be the autobattler actually that's pretty huge if it does

theyll prolly use the time they would use for another bokgak on that

[gentle mulch]

I'd endure a content drought to get the autobattler

refractrial is pretty nice, i can respect it if done for any boss that isn't rufo

[atomic steeple]

Oh yeah lunatic you mind if I post your thoughts on will you play and envy anywhere else?

[tired canyon]

stupdiest team lesgo

actually i should ask that

is kiramael or midclair better

[main scaffold]

I think this is the most excited I've ever heard Don be

[split beacon]

sure go ahead

[main scaffold]

I love the random red eyed rat

Rat bloodfiend family 😌

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-santa-chainsaw-man-kishibe-gif-5924242618566740282

[main scaffold]

How is Saude the single most terrifying person in the entire game

[split beacon]

Saude's had a long time and a lot of experience in cowing people into submission

[gentle mulch]

hi saude

[atomic steeple]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3gQeDsRaUQ||
Blue reverberation x ultrakill

[keen palm]

Someone on reddit pointed out that Ricardo is the only enemy in the game to not have the brain melting -45 panic icon

which could mean anything

but I think confirms he's gonna EGO

[bronze zephyr]

like Sora but for the middle lol?

[ebon forge]

@keen palm sent a friend req

[dusty sigil]

I agree but the main thing I’m curious about is what’s gonna trigger it?

What could shatter Ricardo’s core beliefs so hard that he gets a visit from Carmen?

[keen palm]

Accepted

[vagrant dove]

I'm gonna do the intervallo real soon, I am so excited to hear that line voice

When the Spring Cultivation bokgak drops, I need Meursault's ragebaiting as well

[bronze zephyr]

omg real

[fluid whale]

Fighting us again and losing without us doing any tricks?

[dusty sigil]

He doesn’t really seem that attached to his personal strength

Him being super strong isn’t like, core to his belief systems

[fluid whale]

But we are a vengeance he has to pursue

[dusty sigil]

He already lost handedly to the indigo elder

[fluid whale]

To do otherwise leaves him in the world of the bristly

When all he wishes is to rejoin the world of the luscious

The other idea I had was if Werner starts distorting and then he steps in and goes "knock it off, that ain't the Middle way"

I honestly think Big Rick is a model Middle member, to demonstrate the foreshadowing they did of the Middle was true

[atomic steeple]

Middle way
Ricardo becomes a boddhisattva

[vagrant dove]

Ricardo I think

Is like, the guy who actually buys in to the shit the middle sells

Which is good if you're a member of the family and he doesn't have any grudges active

But bad because like; Ricardo will still obsessively pursue even minor slights and that results in him essentially wasting the lives of his subordinates over hair coupons

(And getting embroiled in fresh new incidents, over hair coupons)

[keen palm]

I think the funny thing about that is that like

Ricardo didnt decide the importance

Of stealing hair coupons

That was already decided as being complete and total extermination

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[tired canyon]

do you think it is specifically hair coupons or is it a general thing for stealing from a BB

also i didnt know the lil sancho was a gif thats cute

[vagrant dove]

I think Meursault's Middle Id has the uptie story that really shows a lot of how fucked the Middle is- that comment about sweeping any issues within the family under the rug being considered true loyalty, for example

Also stepping on a Middle member's shoe being a punishable offence, no wonder they're so affiliated with Envy (in the limbus definition where it's associated with resentment and vengeance)

The thumb by contrast I think have two sins

Wrath and sloth

[buoyant stream]

i am freaking the hell out

i got all 4 secret bosses in one run. in canonical order

[vagrant dove]

Wrath in the sense of burning self-righteousness, where they genuinely think their draconian enforcement of social order is a Good Thing

And Sloth in the sense of just- inaction via suborning your will to a hierarchy and a set of rules and letting that define you

[atomic steeple]

Stubborn adherence to the structure and etiquette

[vagrant dove]

The Index is gloom, obviously

[atomic steeple]

Ring is lust because it asserts its ideas, often using humans and their suffering as the medium

[vagrant dove]

I had a really decent theory about like

Colours of logos relating to the Sin

[atomic steeple]

With some pride, I think

[vagrant dove]

But the Ring

There's so many of them

[atomic steeple]

They impose, and are prone to excess of the ideas they express
Carving human lives into pretentious monuments

[atomic steeple]

Yellow/brown and white, I'd sum it to

[vagrant dove]

I think the Yurodivye is Pride (and partially Gluttony)

At least as it is in it's modern incarnation, under "Saint" Sonya

[faint pivot]

"Cut Your Rings"? Nah chief, I'm getting more of 'em

-The blogger, probably

[atomic steeple]

Corporism and fauvism are really cool. Shame about the ring's issues
Émile Benoît is the GOAT

[vagrant dove]

I do really like art history so I enjoy the Ring in that regard

But also stop killing people to make your art!

I do really wanna see more of the Pinky to see how they fit into the general theme

Individualism at the cost of everyone else, possibly

[cloud wadi]

I love that apparently

Shi Yihua of all people was one of the coupon thieves

[vagrant dove]

Is that version of the LCB just like

Minor antagonists

[cloud wadi]

It probably wasn’t LC?

Shi Yihua pulls off the same sweeper trap on the middle

In big bro Ricardo’s world

[vagrant dove]

True,I just find it funny that he's in our position

And he keeps the streak of like

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[vagrant dove]

Pissing off people the second he opens his mouth

[cloud wadi]

Not responsible for the actual theft

Though

Apparently a “big guy” did it

Maybe Zilu?

[vagrant dove]

If it's that mirror worlds Jia Qiu

It would be so fucking funny

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

But Shi Yihua had th gall

To actually use the coupon

[vagrant dove]

Well he is an idiot

[cloud wadi]

Nah he made a good point

“I’m marked for dead anyways so using the coupon made absolutely no difference, idiot!”

[vagrant dove]

Meursault makes that point as well after the initial reveal back in Canto 5

Which yeah, fair

[cloud wadi]

Ricardocliff offers to forgive coupon theft as long as Shi Yihua returns it

But ofc

All the other assorted crimes mean execution anyways

Shi Yihua also brings up the fact that he offered to buy new coupons multiple times

[vagrant dove]

One thing I like about the fingers is that you can see where they start from

[cloud wadi]

Which were rejected as “attempts to bribe the officer of the middle”

[vagrant dove]

I.e the Middle probably began as a fairly chill "you attack one of us, you deal with all of us" arrangement way back when

Which mutated into spiralling disporportionate ultraviolence against anyone who so much as breathes in the vague direction of their members

(Slight exaggeration but still)

[cloud wadi]

Middle is basically the Chivalrous Warriors from Murim novels

Big showboats

Any slight against their Honor must be paid back a thousand fold

[fluid whale]

I thought you said they were American cops

Which, to be fair, they also do that

[tired canyon]

fucking DIE

[cosmic gorge]

The Middle contains multitudes

[stoic fjord]

going bald

[dusty sigil]

TRUUUU

[stoic fjord]

this is a joke but also genuinely I think that'd do it

[dusty sigil]

He starts balding and immediately hears a pleasant voice in his head

[stoic fjord]

YEEEEESSSS

[bronze zephyr]

yay!

oh yeah do you get sin resources from Skills only or do defensive skills count, I don't remember; is it only counters?

[dusty sigil]

All defensive skills

So long as they trigger

[bronze zephyr]

right, cool ty