Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[faint pivot]

Sora was seemingly Prescripted

Since well, she gets Prescript Targets

[cloud wadi]

I think Rien’s thought process with the academy scene was legit

“Hmm… the prescripts actually approved of this… which means something horrible is going to happen.”

[keen palm]

Also

A very important thing

That's really minor

[cloud wadi]

Also this was uh

[keen palm]

Rien actually calls her Ryoshu

[cloud wadi]

A really entirely predictable tragedy

[keen palm]

despite the prescripts naming her Yoshihide

[faint pivot]

Oh I missed this

[faint pivot]

This feels like the power of hindsight

Like yeah but also, sheesh

Matthias really went as far as to clear the school of its admin

And traumatize multiple children

When do you expect that?

Coming from Callisto and babshu's PoV I mean

Callisto himself sure didn't expect it

Babshu didn't realize being honest could bring so much damn harm

[keen palm]

Matthias also definitely killed multiple children

[stoic fjord]

||he notably is not prescript directed with lacriomosa-crescendo iirc but also other bits of the fight seem to be him acting for himself rather than on the prescripts' behalf for once||

[fickle crown]

Finished it

The Middle doesn't forget lmao (Ryoshu died)

[faint pivot]

Hey at least she was your only death

Kira looking pretty healthy too, looks like you won your clashes

[fickle crown]

Yeah, Rodion and Meursault were sustaining the entire group

Ishmael was also on sanity support duty to counteract sinking stacks

[stoic fjord]

The heishou were lowk cracked when I tried them for this fight

Turns out "other IDs dying buffs the leader ID" works for win rating a boss

[fickle crown]

Also this run almost would've been fucked if it weren't for hardblood armor

Because Ryoshu actually lost the clash against her ult the first go around

Idk how I recovered from that

Also not what I intended to get out of the banner but uh... Nice

I can make sure Faust doesn't kill herself now

[faint pivot]

I managed to go without H.B.A. but yeah it helped a ton on my first go (pictured team is my 2nd and latest go)

[fickle crown]

Tbf this is uhh

The team is kinda everywhere lmao

[faint pivot]

You got 4 Envy res

It's close enough lmao

[fickle crown]

Envymaxxing or something

I'm sad that Matthoutis is probably still a couple months away...

[keen palm]

The main thing is that he begins actively working against the Prescripts and that actually ends up buffing his Furioso

[fickle crown]

Just gotta save the shards I guess

[fickle crown]

||Well also he's putting actual emotion into it instead of going through the motions with his second furioso||

[keen palm]

Yeah

Which is him going against the Prescripts to do so

[faint pivot]

Oh fr?

I did not notice that

What was his prescript?

[keen palm]

It's the prescript in-gamme

He begins ignoring it

[faint pivot]

Ik I forgot what it was

[keen palm]

Like the actual status

The little beeper

that puts a flower on people

[fickle crown]

||Also I gotta say, one of the funnier things I noticed with the new event boss fight is that she really suffers in her first phase if you have a demi-envy team like mine||

[faint pivot]

...oh right

He stopped targetting only the target

[faint pivot]

How so?

[keen palm]

He also does it before he does 9 different attacks

which makes him different from Roland

which is against the prescripts

[fickle crown]

||Her special gloom attack doesn't actually do a lot of damage if you use a defense skill...||

||And well... Yeah||

[faint pivot]

Oh so not specifically envy

But yeah

[fickle crown]

||If you kill enough of her students and then that happens you actually can just hit her hard||

[faint pivot]

It's really funny getting both the defense and clash loss conditionals on those

[faint pivot]

Nevermind

The Middle never forgets

This is funnier

[fickle crown]

||specifically with an Envy team you're also spamming S3s that way||

||the triple whammy of doom||

||I think the Res gained from pulling that shit out also means you partially circumvent her last 2 protection stacks||

[marsh relic]

i used Capote 🙁 it failed (tied 36 multiple times at 25 SP) and then she murdered half my team

[stoic fjord]

||Isn't that her lust attack||

[fickle crown]

||Oh I'm talking about phase 1||

[fickle crown]

||No, she has an attack weighted gloom attack too||

[marsh relic]

oh

[fickle crown]

||Which is used around the start of her second phase I think?||

[stoic fjord]

||no I mean the one they're talking about||

||I know what you're talking about||

[fickle crown]

||Oh maybe then||

[faint pivot]

||Same happened to me lmao, "LA SANGRE DE SANCHO" yeah right madame that's what's pooled on the floor right now cause you choked with a 5%||

||Dominating my ass 😭||

[stoic fjord]

How the fuck did i grind hard enough to get everything last season

[fickle crown]

Hong Lord's infinite greed was with you

[stoic fjord]

True...

[faint pivot]

MD

[fickle crown]

I really wish that some Heishou units were 00 IDs though

Because I feel like PM could do something really interesting with cheap disposable 00s like that

[stoic fjord]

I mean yeah I moreso mean how the fuck did i manage to grind like 100 boxes a week

[fickle crown]

Making them 000 IDs is just

Augh

Raising the entire team is too much of a grind

Unless you unga bunga and only run Mao

[stoic fjord]

Right that reminds me

[faint pivot]

I'm guessing you weren't as into MDE at the time

Wait no

[stoic fjord]

That I have the entire heishou team minus outis

[faint pivot]

MDE simply hadn't existed yet

[stoic fjord]

Fully leveled and uptied

What the fuck was 2025 me on...

[faint pivot]

You were off the MDE pill

Is my guess

Cause it hadn't existed yet

[stoic fjord]

Maybe yeah

[faint pivot]

You were doing more F.B. runs before, I'm guessing

[fickle crown]

Also that reminds me, Kira was taking those clashes like a damn champ

[stoic fjord]

Now I'm too addicted to fusing gifts and lunar memory and themed ego pack gifts

[stoic fjord]

I believe I actually pulled him around the same time that MDE released

[faint pivot]

Yeah but you started with those

Then moved on to MDE

Here you're straight to MDE

[stoic fjord]

||I mean she literally blocked and held a blow that instantly turned one of the sinners into a red stain||

||girliepop has motion||

[stoic fjord]

Wait no I'm looking back

[fickle crown]

||Tbf though she put it out there that she was fucked the second she pulled that||

[stoic fjord]

I didn't start FB grinding until like

[faint pivot]

She dropped to 80 HP and tanked two hits from the lust AoE attack

Kira you're the GOAT

[stoic fjord]

A month or so after MDE dropped i think

[faint pivot]

She meant situationally

As in "damn I'm getting left behind aren't I"

[fickle crown]

Also I will admit, I kinda just won a shitton of boxes by doing horrible solo runs for most of the season

[stoic fjord]

||oh absolutely but she still managed to hold for long enough to start regretting it, resign herself to her fate, and then get snapped out of it by Hohenheim going "wtf are you doing get over here"||

My agenda posting is fed forever

[fickle crown]

Most of season 7 was just spent running around doing Heishou solos for the fuck of it

[stoic fjord]

KirGOAT could've no-diffed Bumtthias if she wanted to ong

[fickle crown]

Because I wanted to get intimate with their individual kits before I went off and threw a team together

Then proceeded to never touch Heishou again lmao

Because burn is based and real

[stoic fjord]

Lmao

I fw burn but I need a dual status that isn't burn bleed

Because NClair is a little bitch baby and I hate him

Please Valencina Rodion save me

[fickle crown]

Behold, Pornking Yi Sang...

[faint pivot]

SHE DID IT TWICE

[fickle crown]

Burnmor is actually pretty functional with just two thumb IDs tbh

[faint pivot]

Yes but the EGO gifts

[fickle crown]

I'd argue more and it'd actually risk losing effectiveness

[faint pivot]

It can go further

It can get better

[stoic fjord]

I don't doubt that, but I want ego gifts

[fickle crown]

I mean in non-MD fights

[faint pivot]

Ah

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhh yeah fair

[faint pivot]

Well most likely yes

[stoic fjord]

It needs to be understood that I basically only play MD

[fickle crown]

I also play mostly MD but I also occasionally theorycraft things on the side for teams

Like they horrendous whatever team I made

[main scaffold]

||How long until someone makes one of those "I'm the dad who stepped up" memes with Hoenheim||

Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) ||oh absolutely but she still managed to hold for long enough to start regretting it, resign herself||…

[fickle crown]

Ngl I should run a solo again some time

[stoic fjord]

I'm excited for Valencina Rodion so I can hsve burn and tremor together and have the +4 coin power on like 6 units

[faint pivot]

I mean is there a point to theorycrafting story teams in a vacuum

I feel like it'd be best to do those with a specific level in mind

[fickle crown]

Yes, throwing them at the wall

[faint pivot]

Fair lamo

[stoic fjord]

I think they need a little more interaction together but the "LCE?" faction tag is already fueling it for me

[main scaffold]

Every time I want to do some refraction railway runs or whatever I just immediately think "but this doesn't get me shards"

Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) It needs to be understood that I basically only play MD

[faint pivot]

Rodicina is gonna be one of your easier solos, I reckon

[stoic fjord]

We need more replayable gamemodes

[fickle crown]

RR was funny to me because my burn team wasn't even killing with burn half the time, Firefist and Thumbsault were just popping off like that

[faint pivot]

I'm iffy on the randomized idle gamemode KJH mentioned cause I wanna actually think while gaming but I'll take it at this rate

Would much rather have the luxwaves first, though

[stoic fjord]

Strongest solo unit of history vs. The strongest solo unit of today

(Molar Ishmael vs. Valencina Rodion)

[fickle crown]

Thumbsault:

[faint pivot]

My personal Railway teams were "woe, megucca upon thee"

[stoic fjord]

I know lots of units have anti-stagger, I just like evades a lot

[fickle crown]

Tbh it's actually a bit fun when you have to play around with clashable defense skills

And they're surprisingly useful in human fights

[faint pivot]

How so?

[stoic fjord]

Fair

[faint pivot]

I'd think that evades helped more

Compared to clashable defenses, I mean

[stoic fjord]

Iirc they automatically trigger against attackers rather than automatically going to the slowest target

[fickle crown]

If the enemy has a defense skill active instead then you can pop your clashable defense and the non defending enemy clashes it instead

Which is really damn useful when you can't guide your attacks

[faint pivot]

So it's not an offset

Noted danke

[fickle crown]

They function like Ruina counter dice basically

[faint pivot]

Ruina counter dice clash with defense die

But close enough lmao

[stoic fjord]

I'm excited for Valencina Rodion

I need Rodion's VA to hit the MATCH MY HATRED

[fickle crown]

Tbf clashing clashable defenses would be horribly cursed within the context of Limbus

Block measuring contest

[faint pivot]

Oh I know I'm just saying the analogy is awkward

[fickle crown]

I think it works in context because counters only work when anything goes in unopposed

[stoic fjord]

Also the 50% HP line would be sick

[fickle crown]

Otherwise like... They're just there

[faint pivot]

Hm, that fits better actually, yea

[fickle crown]

Imagine she gets damage up and vuln stacks if Heathio dies

Look, we need more IDs that play around somebody eating shit every once in a while

I feel like Pequod Ishmael was an early example of this

[stoic fjord]

I need ID effects that genuinely make me want to cry as I'm reminded of canto 9

[fickle crown]

Also yeah uh

I had the Ricardo announcer on for the boss fight lmao

[fickle crown]

Ryoshu's capstone ID getting a special S3-2 execution for friendly IDs specifically

We got a new friendly fire speedrun strat

[faint pivot]

...say

Is ||Araya's EGO simply subdued while an ID is overlaid on Ryo?||

[fickle crown]

||I imagine that her EGO is still active, but the ID overlaid onto it wouldn't be able to use the sword or remember her anyways||

||Since presumably no other Ryoshu ID has ever swung Arayashaki||

[tiny cave]

nah, araya sees RB Chef Ryoshu and approves of her octopus shaped pies

[fickle crown]

Speaking of that...

||I guess pre-LCB Ryoshu needs to be knocked down a couple categories @vagrant dove||

[faint pivot]

Plural?

[tired canyon]

ok lets try m60 again

[faint pivot]

I can hardly guess who else would've tried her cooking

[stoic fjord]

I mean it's just how good they are at cooking

[main scaffold]

Araya and then Araya again

[tired canyon]

to this day i wonder what ryoshu did to that skewer

to get don to shiver

[tiny cave]

i'd put in cinq west instead of maoutis tbh

[stoic fjord]

Another poise unit will clash better

[faint pivot]

Thinned the sauce out to the point it was 99% water or smth idk

[stoic fjord]

Iirc she charred it to black with her cigarette lighter

Or at least that's what the Pass On art showed

[fickle crown]

Ryoshu sounds like someone that also literally plays with her food

[tired canyon]

would that allow me to fuse poise gifts?

[tiny cave]

yeah cinq west is poise rupture

maoutis is only rupture

you'll have 6 poise units and 7 rupture units

[faint pivot]

Huh

Why count the backups

Very few EGO gifts do that

[tiny cave]

also ryo goes in the first slot

[main scaffold]

Is this a new ego gift?

[tiny cave]

ye its new

[faint pivot]

Wtaf

[tiny cave]

ryo goes #1 slot, hongler goes #4
because you'll probably be using great triliochosm for later floors, and hongler #4 is so he benefits from scalpel

[faint pivot]

We can go to 110 burn pot

...770 Pride damage

[tiny cave]

it goes up to +21

[main scaffold]

Finally, everything burn needs to scale to mde

[fickle crown]

Burn in MDE is already kinda crazy tbf

[uneven canopy]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0dlEG6WaI0|| massive spoilers for all of Canto 9

[main scaffold]

wait what how

ganransu. ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Burn in MDE is already kinda crazy tbf

[tired canyon]

my bestie made this

[fickle crown]

The funny ember gift

Woe, 1k wrath damage out of nowhere

It's actually nice support damage to stack on

[tiny cave]

but enemies have like 60000 hp

even if you do 2k end of turn damage with lunar memory

[fickle crown]

Imo it's still not bad since every bit counts in MDI

Plus it's long lasting and you need every shred of coin power you can get

[main scaffold]

Ahh, we see

[fickle crown]

Oh that too yea

I'm mostly talking about Glimpse of Flames though

[neat cedar]

because it's the middle

Like keep in mind, Callisto sent a.child to a public snobby academy despite being a washed and discredited membwr ofnthe ring. It doed not take a great deal of thought to consider what kids there would do and how Matthias will react

which is over kill

becaus ethat is the entire philosophy of the Finger

let not even the tiniest most insignificant slight go

and pay it back tenfold

[cloud wadi]

Trying to build a ring bleed team

5 000 ring ids

Who to pick for the final two slots

N corp shu for extra debuff infliction

?

Oh yeah

N corp shu and Allen Gregor

It’s all coming together

That’s a whole lot of debuffs

[main scaffold]

We saw talk of using Aroma Ryoshu for the tremor and faint aroma infliction, but I don't know if she'd be able to get enough petals on that team

Hmm... so we need 750 thread and a 270 Rodion shards to fully level all Ring IDs

Can get 400 thread from the event so that leaves 350 thread to get from luxcavations, will take about a week to get that much which isn't too bad

...and then we'll need to do the exp grind. Not looking forward to that

Also we have almost no other bleed IDs but shush

[wild mango]

great intervallo overall though

||ending was fuckin rough though, good to hear that araya has a chance to be restored though||

[fickle crown]

||Imo, it makes sense. They can't just restore Araya in one go and they can only stick with LCE and co. for so long before they're rushed away to their next destination||

||I do wish we got more answers than questions, but I'm sure we'll learn more in due time||

[fickle crown]

By sskaiillustrate

[main scaffold]

Hemorrhage team 😌

[faint pivot]

Curious why Ouficliff is at UT4

[main scaffold]

why not?

Honestly it was entirely because at the time we had a massive excess of thread and wanted to try him out

[faint pivot]

That's a fair reason nw

I'm just thread-poor and wondered if Ouficliff had something to him that I missed

[main scaffold]

He deals +10% damage per 6 tremor potency on the unit he's attacking (up to a max of 30%) and that's basically it unless you want to do something with tremor decay

Hmm... maybe he'd be good on tremor sinking, I dunno if that team cares about bursting enough for reverb to be necessary

[faint pivot]

It doesn't

[main scaffold]

Okay cool

...fuck we need to shard Udjat Outis

Why must there be so many cool teams

[faint pivot]

@bronze zephyr how was Hokma

Slightly dreading my next attempt at him but I think it's been due for awhile now so I should get at it

[bronze zephyr]

I only had 4 deaths fortunately!

I also had the mod that tells you what ordeals you’ll face though because midnight of violet is infinitely more brutal than the other two so I legit just reset if it showed up-

I’m set to fight Binah at the end of this run so that’s scary

[cosmic gorge]

curious

in an Envy res team, what does middle don have that madonka doesnt?

[bronze zephyr]

If I had to guess it’s the ability to counter w her defensive instead of just guarding, or middle synergy
But I use QoH Don cuz she’s leveled and uptied lol

[ebon forge]

Being middle

[tiny cave]

Needing to press counter on middle Don is better than needing to press defense on Madonka

6 envy A-res is quite a strict requirement if you’re constantly going for ish & Sinclair s3s

And is it worth getting 2 S3s a turn if you have to use 2 guards? Not really

[bronze zephyr]

mhmhm
im v excited for Middle Outis

[ebon forge]

Valenrodya...

[ebon forge]

i just realized why matthias felt so familiar

it's because he's like, literally the alpha male trope combined with performative male trope

[tiny cave]

Alpha male: Unstable and not ready for public deployment

[unique bane]

intervallo spoiler

[wild mango]

Huh, ||there’s probably a good chance canto 12 ends with our Faust being severed from the gesellschaft, and this might be a way they can do it?||

[faint pivot]

I believe ||this meme is about fueling Arayashiki rather than that||

[cosmic gorge]

||or put donqui and ryo in a warp train for memory fuel||

[stoic fjord]

They'd have to take the bus with them to leave and keep the memories

[faint pivot]

I wonder how ||DQ managed to squeeze that much storytime into Ryo's head||

[stoic fjord]

Iirc it was during the great lake

So they had a ton of time

[faint pivot]

Ah yes

That time where we spent a good few intervallos on the sea

[cosmic gorge]

forsoothdearestryoshuitistimeforidonquixotetoregaletheewithamostheroicandexcitingtaleoffixersfrombygoneerasirecallthatthouhathnotbeeninoculatedtothewondersoffixersinyouryouthduetotheutterfiendsthatthouhathhadtolivewithandibelieveitisidonquixotessolemnandnobledutytointroduceanexpertswordsmanasyourselftothegreatstoriesandadventuresofblademasterfixersinthepastandnowwithoutfurtheradoishallbeginwiththetaleofarturiaoftheroundtableofficeofcoursesomeinaccurateandlackinginknowledgefixermagazinesinsistthatthenoblearturiaofroundtableofficewasactuallynamedaltriabutisayeththatthesepublicationslackthebackingoftruthforsoothishallcallethherarturiabutiapologizeforihavedigressedahwherewasiohyesarturiaofroundtableofficewasamostexcellentmasterofthebladetheonlyuserofthetransformingweaponryofthenowlostcaliburnworkshopwhowasknownforquestingintotheoutskirtstoseekethrelicssuchasthegrailof-

[faint pivot]

Gotta commend Molar Office for making boatmode last so long after their last fuckup

[stoic fjord]

Locked in

[faint pivot]

Unironically made my heart jump

[faint pivot]

youthduo

Methinks you meant due

[cosmic gorge]

haha

[faint pivot]

whowasknowfor

Missing an n

I feel like DQ wouldn't speak that fast but also fits the vibe of absolute brain jam material

[cosmic gorge]

this is what ryo perceives with her time sense

[atomic steeple]

DOne! FUn intervallos
Funny comment about matthias I saw
||https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/project-moon-thread.111168/post-38040975||
||Lend me some power Levaetain! This is a teacher and some schoolchilden I am up against.||

[tiny cave]

oi those were ||grade 1 schoolchildren||

and you know how strong ||grade 1 fixers|| are

[faint pivot]

forsooth dearest ryoshu it is time for i don quixote to regale thee with a most heroic and exciting tale of fixers from bygone eras i recall that thou hath not been inoculated to the wonders of fixers in your youth due to the utter fiends that thou hath had to live with andi believe it is i don quixotes solemn and noble duty to introduce an expert swordsman as yourself to the great stories and adventures of blademaster fixers in the past and now without further ado i shall begin with the tale of arturia of the roundtable office of course some inaccurate and lacking in knowledge fixer magazines insist that the noble arturia of roundtable office was actually named altria but i sayeth that these publications lack the backing of truth forsooth i shall calleth her arturia but i apologize for i have digressed ah where was i oh yes arturia of roundtable office was a most excellent master of the blade the only user of the transforming weaponry of the now lost caliburn workshop who was known for questing into the outskirts to seeketh relics such as the grail of-

[stoic fjord]

Ahhh, but grade 1 corp employees are rookies

[faint pivot]

Tis deserves to be appreciated and so it shall be so

[tiny cave]

||Matthias is a NEET so he doesn't know anything about corporate workers||

[faint pivot]

||Matthias kept shaking level 1 Feathers thinking they were the strongest, that's why he was such a bum||

[atomic steeple]

Kira has taught me that women split horizontally have their charm

[tiny cave]

they sure do

[faint pivot]

...wait a minute

wait a goddamn minute

[faint pivot]

You knew tis already!
||Look at your pfp!||
/lh

[atomic steeple]

I have gained a new taste

[atomic steeple]

Perhaps

[stoic fjord]

I wonder like... how fast a fight between Kali and other characters from the series would go

Like

How fast would Kali dumpster Matthias

[faint pivot]

Ma'am you know what happened to Garion 😭

[stoic fjord]

Cuz I know she would

I just kinda wanna guess as to how long it would take

[atomic steeple]

Matthias tries to stab her with that sword
Kali: Is it in yet?
Matthias drops dead

[stoic fjord]

Like is it an actual fight or is it "SHUT UP, LOSER, GREAT SPLIT VERTICAL"

[tiny cave]

Kali: This is the deepest you'll ever be in a woman

[faint pivot]

To me, she wins as soon as the fight starts, so all I'd be guessing is the time between the light reaching her eyes and it leaving Matthias'

[atomic steeple]

Shrug. Didn't remember the detail of her being bisected

[stoic fjord]

Yeah probably my guess as well there

[atomic steeple]

Kali with the vicious mockery

[faint pivot]

Okay technically she wasn't explicitly bisected

[faint pivot]

But uh

I'm confident an attempt was made, at least

[stoic fjord]

I imagine Valencina is the NF who lasts the longest but just based on the fact she can dodge really good

[faint pivot]

Nah

[atomic steeple]

Hit everywhere

fivehead

[stoic fjord]

Oh wait right Vergilus was rolling close to her evade numbers

[faint pivot]

She goes airborne only to get shot out of the sky

[atomic steeple]

can't dodge that

[tiny cave]

evade dice don't counter +10 dice power or whatever absurd numbers red mist is pulling out

[stoic fjord]

So Kali could genuinely just brute force obliterate her

[tiny cave]

or 28-42

[faint pivot]

Hell, he managed to beat the evade thrice during my go

[stoic fjord]

That's LoR numbers

I'm imagining she's somewhere closer to like

400 or some insane shit

[faint pivot]

We're approaching them, mind

[stoic fjord]

No as in

LoR dice numbers are quite different

[atomic steeple]

Ensure there isn't a single point within the battlefield that is not a sword
Parry or die, none of that dodge shit

[faint pivot]

Ah right

[stoic fjord]

Like the strongest basic attacks are maybe around 12 vs Limbus where you can roll in the thirties due to differences

[faint pivot]

Infinite something something

[tiny cave]

the strongest basic attack in LoR is a 21 i think

hana association

[atomic steeple]

Blood-sated sword soul

[stoic fjord]

Ohhh yeah

Which... Overbreathe on Don Quixote can reach 30

[tiny cave]

assuming we're not counting like

[stoic fjord]

So like. I imagine Ruina numbers definitely don't equate and are probably hard to put in Limbus terms

[tiny cave]

blazing strike or any other gold pages as basic attacks

but yeah i think the highest rolling evade in ruina is a 15, used by PT

and i doubt that valencina is better at dodging than PT

[stoic fjord]

Yeah

[tiny cave]

so GS probably rolls like a 90

[stoic fjord]

I imagine that the Library is rolling somewhere in the hundreds given the batshit insane stuff their builds can do

[faint pivot]

YYea

[stoic fjord]

Me when I genuinely have Prime Red Mist except buffed

[tiny cave]

Patron Librarian of Technology Yi Sang just has a glock and an 8 coin s3

[faint pivot]

We meet idk an assistant librarian and they pull up on us with the first triple digit skill

[faint pivot]

Ryoshu's turn comes up and it's just Myongest

[stoic fjord]

"Dante, we are SO fucked."

[stoic fjord]

I think Ryoshu will get PT

And Rodion will get Red Mist

[faint pivot]

Whoever maps with Tiphereth gets PT, I feel

[tiny cave]

I'm a believer in myoshu

[stoic fjord]

Especially with the whole idea of Rodion wanting to be special and unique and the Red Mist... not having that, kind of

Like, she's special, but moreso just... The Strongest

She's not a master swordswoman, she doesn't have any insane techniques

She just hits you so hard you explode

[atomic steeple]

Vergilius: Danteh, we are so fucked

[stoic fjord]

"Dantehhh... we need to leave..."

[tiny cave]

she has the most insane techniques
stab, upward slash and downward slash

that's all you need

[faint pivot]

We turn to the side and just see the
Red
Gaze

[stoic fjord]

😭

[faint pivot]

On that Saitama grindset

[stoic fjord]

So I think that fits Rodion

Also appearance similarities and background similarities

I think Red Mist Rodion is genuinely one of the best fits, if not the best fit

[faint pivot]

Ponytail Rodya...

I wonder what Gregor would think about this Rodya smoking

[stoic fjord]

Also Rodion in the Red Mist's outfit.

[faint pivot]

Truke

It took a bit to load

[stoic fjord]

I feel like the Red Mist ID would be very simple

Like

One page of text

Little bit of bleed

Nothing special

Look inside

[faint pivot]

"On Clash Loss, Don't"

[stoic fjord]

Oh wait no there's the ego

2 pages and the second page is just for the ego

[stoic fjord]

S1 has like 6 base power, 10 coin power, 3 coins

36 rolling S1

[faint pivot]

I'll show you EGO alright, right after I break apart yours

It's cute how Philipclair barely catches up to this

...hah

What if instead of coin power it's just insane OLevel

[stoic fjord]

Also true...

[tiny cave]

im guessing red mist will be discard/bleed or something

considering all her attacks draw in LoR

[faint pivot]

Why'd she be Discard?

Ah

[stoic fjord]

Attack draw yeah

[faint pivot]

They also give light by costing less

[stoic fjord]

Also them getting cheaper mhm

[faint pivot]

...oh god

Imagine if the R.M. ID gave EGO resources

To represent the cheaper cards

[tiny cave]

discard with "add 1/2/3 coins for each time this skill has been used this combat"

[stoic fjord]

I wonder if uhhh

The color fixer IDs, assuming we eventually get them

Would be mono-sin

[faint pivot]

Depends on the Color I'd bet

[tiny cave]

some might be

vespa and verg yes

buffclair no

pt def no

[stoic fjord]

He's not an actual color

They just call him that as a colloquial title that's spread

[tiny cave]

jia sinclair is a colour in my heart

[stoic fjord]

Fair

[gentle mulch]

hi hong lu

it's me, your chinese german adopted Color Fixer!

[stoic fjord]

I think Hong Lu could get a Red Gaze ID

[faint pivot]

• s1 is Gather Spirit with something like "+10 Coin Power on positive skills, +40 Base Power on negative skills
• s2 is a 3-coiner discard that shifts damage type to fit opponent weakness to represent her 3 main attack skills, giving more EGO resources and coins the more it's discarded
• s3 is Great Split Vertical, changing to Great Split Horizontal with her EGO up

[stoic fjord]

I think someone else already discussed this and I really liked the idea and reasoning

[gentle mulch]

is he really built for that?

[stoic fjord]

I think all the stuff about Hong Lu's wrath makes it a possibility

[tiny cave]

feel like gather spirit is her defense skill

[stoic fjord]

Also him wanting kindness

And such

[faint pivot]

What'd her s1 be in this case?

[gentle mulch]

wonder when we'll get access to that kinda thing then

[stoic fjord]

He is a good person, and I think he could be pushed to much the same place as Vergilius

[faint pivot]

Oh wait

I'm forgetting Onrush

[stoic fjord]

Onrush S2

[faint pivot]

My bad, cardinal sin

[gentle mulch]

we usually get IDs of past/upcoming fights, but we've seen verg fight plenty and yet no id dropped of him. theyre holding out on us

[stoic fjord]

Guided tour time! :D

[faint pivot]

We are 100000% not there yet

[gentle mulch]

YAAAAAAAAY

[faint pivot]

We just barely managed to beat a Docent on our own we'd be cooked if Charon wasn't in control of Verg's body

Literally, might I add

[gentle mulch]

Anyways Onrush Counter that reuses coins and adds additional attack weight with every staggered or defeated unit

[faint pivot]

Hey I was thinking the same thing LMAO

[stoic fjord]

I think they could just make it work like Tingtang Lu's s3

Reuse on kill or stagger instead of just kill tho

[tiny cave]

Defense - Gather spirit (gives plus coin boost next turn). When condition met, use Manifest EGO instead.
S1 - Spear, when discarded use unopposed. Discard lowest rank skill
S2 - Slash, damage type matches opponent's weakness. Discard lowest rank skill, add coin for each time this skill has been used this combat
S3 - Onrush. Reuse if stagger or kill (no limit)
When manifested, S3-2 becomes Great Split Horizontal (use as great split vertical if only one target for the atk weight)

[gentle mulch]

Clashable Counter
Onrush
1 atk wgt
1 Coin - Unbreakable
I [On Stagger or Kill]: Add an additional Attack Weight and Reuse this Coin

[stoic fjord]

It'd have to be an unfocused volley i think

[gentle mulch]

no shes just built different

[stoic fjord]

It being plain attack weight would be batshit

[faint pivot]

And?

[stoic fjord]

That's how it worked in ruina 😭

[faint pivot]

T.R.M.I.B.S.

[gentle mulch]

Gebura issue

[atomic steeple]

||https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1snvn7m/its_just_too_easy/||
Intervallo. This could just be crazy enough to work

[gentle mulch]

the red mist could add attack weight...

[stoic fjord]

Fair enough...

[faint pivot]

I feel like she'd be cracked enough to do this yeah

Especially with an actual environment to play with

Turns a chunk of rock into a missile like an earthbender or smth

[stoic fjord]

The later we get into the game the funnier going against the canto 1 goons is

[stoic fjord]

"Let's mug this random bu-"

"IS THAT THE RED MIST?"

[faint pivot]

Rolling up with a constellation on the friendly neighborhood organ gang

[stoic fjord]

It's occurred to me that Kalo was a sottocapo and Denis and Katriel were capos

Capos aren't even gold pages in LoR

[atomic steeple]

Now we can bring a maestro to fight the canto 1 goons

[faint pivot]

And a G.B.

[tiny cave]

Rats in ruina be like

[faint pivot]

And a Sottocapo

[tiny cave]

"Let's mug this rando washed up grade 9 fixer"

[stoic fjord]

Eventually

Not yet

End of season

[faint pivot]

Tru

[worthy haven]

I love that lcb is using lei Heng as a benchmark for every fight

[atomic steeple]

"Holy shit he's turning people into artworks

[stoic fjord]

Okay so

MatthiOutis solo banner next

[atomic steeple]

"How many lei hengs is she worth?"

[stoic fjord]

And then thumb double banner

And I can be happy and free

[faint pivot]

Sike, we get the Ricardo ID this Nocturnal Sweeping Bokgak /j

It'll be Heathcliff as both Lucio and Ricardo to make up for that insane drought of IDs he had

[atomic steeple]

Ring rodion
https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1sm9ykv/ring_rodion_by_misg1111/

[faint pivot]

elp

Wow

Good Art

[atomic steeple]

@ebon forge

[atomic steeple]

Rien knows good and wrong but still obeys the prescripts as they hurt loved ones. Callisto does his best for his loved ones, but his value system and understanding of others is so twisted he still hurts them.

Rien x Callisto could have worked as parents, if they balanced each other out

[cosmic gorge]

rien x callisto via riensang x callilu
ive only seen two fanarts but im pretty sure there are more

[willow moss]

Been loving the new music tracks for the intervallo , especially the one they used for the teaser

[fickle crown]

Erlking found dead in an alley after picking a fight with Ricardocliff

Though honestly I think the Erlking was closer to a scaling threat than any sort of weakling if you get what I mean

Like he didn't actually suck so much as the golden bough is doing golden bough things and matching him to the collective level of our sinners

[faint pivot]

Ok I agree he didn't suck

But the bough had no effect on him no?

Unlike with canto 5 and 7's bosses?

Hm I guess the contract might extend to other IDs of the same sinner but like

I find it a bit odd how it's non-diegetic for this guy

Though I suppose he could've been like Rufo except moreso on the supporting side since his targets aren't exactly the most armed

And his tribulations are frontloaded towards getting to them in the first place

[fickle crown]

I don't know if it actually has an effect on him in his fight, but given the golden bough had been influencing things across the manor, I wouldn't be surprised if it was indirectly nerfing him

[cosmic gorge]

hes a necromancer wizard who never did the wizard thing of self-buffing
so all hes got is a massive pool of corpse goons but can be folded like laundry
maybe

[faint pivot]

Technically he does, with the sin shields

[faint pivot]

True but it's unclear which bits are G.B. effects and which are from the River

Aside from the ghosts, those were explicit enough

[fickle crown]

Given the things being said about a certain someone's modifications to the manor in the first place, I think stuff like rooms getting shuffled and the appearance of peccatula was a golden bough thing that the manor was being prepared for

Plus y'know... Former ring shit

And all of the creepy stuff they've been doing with rapid refraction

(check Leviathan for that)

Iirc the weird weather was also being influenced by the golden bough given it had been uniquely stormier than usual

[fickle crown]

Also he was just throwing entire class 3 peccatula at us

So there was that

The only reason we don't get eaten alive is because Vergilius decides he can't stand by and watch this shit anymore

[faint pivot]

The modifications were for the couple - coffin for her, peccatulum army for him

6-25

[eternal berry]

The GB was explicitly being used as a power source, wasn’t it? For both summoning Erkling (Wild Hunt) version and for Cathy summoning

[faint pivot]

Yep

But it wasn't the only thing at play

[faint pivot]

And the refraction was what gave birth to all the peccatulum

[atomic steeple]

I still wonder how refraction makes people peccatula

I get the mental stress and attack on your very sense of self
But generally we see peccatula from forced distortions
This seems to imply

Mirror phenomena relates to the light

[faint pivot]

Aren't Peccatulum noted by Hohenheim to be from failed Distortions?

[atomic steeple]

We did have mirror sounds and mention of posdibilities during Hod reslization

[faint pivot]

Also if the Glass Window is, according to Leviathan, then the Mirror should be too, yeah

[atomic steeple]

Yes, which seems to only jappen when it is forced or mirror stuff happens

Otherwise, the light itself targets people who can distort properly or ego

[faint pivot]

What about the peccatulum in canto 2 then?

[atomic steeple]

Hm

Oh yeah, the boughs

Kromer catalysed her distortion with a bough

[faint pivot]

Same with Jia Mu

Though she was farther from a peccatulum

[atomic steeple]

While kromer and dongrang were similar to peccatula and near a bough, mayors was similar to peccatula but had no bough nearby

[eternal berry]

Peccatulum do naturally occur

[atomic steeple]

So boughs can cause peccatula, but distortions can look similar to peccatula or not both near abd distant from boughs

[atomic steeple]

Oh?

[quaint cliff]

Okay so

[eternal berry]

Aseah notes as such in Leviathan

[quaint cliff]

Am I cooking?

[eternal berry]

N Corp’s superpositional experiments just make shit tons of em

[faint pivot]

Deployment order would be nice but on the surface, yeah

Enough Envy Res to keep madame going

[quaint cliff]

Haven’t decided yet 😅

[faint pivot]

Bit of a shame she isn't Manadon to make use of the 3/5 B.F. but still nice

[quaint cliff]

Hongler first and Faust second

[atomic steeple]

Must have missed or forgotten it, then

[cosmic gorge]

maybe thats what aweryo and fellsang were killing in their uptie stories

weird fleshy monsters

[eternal berry]

They’re killing other superposition byproducts

[faint pivot]

Do you happen to have Woutis levelled?

She'd be much better here than Barber

[quaint cliff]

Oooh, good idea

Yeah I got her

[faint pivot]

She'd let Fau, Greg, and Ryo ramp up quicker

Oh and Hong Lu too

[eternal berry]

More “dough” if I remember correctly

[faint pivot]

Forgot he does potency

[faint pivot]

yep

[atomic steeple]

You know, I am so canto 9 brained I thought this intervallo ||would have the maestro as a difficult boss at the end. I wouldn't have Continued with rufo if I knew otherwise||

Oh well, gonna do the boss properly today I think

[cosmic gorge]

its really funny
||they? (cant recall pronouns) appeared in the PV and looked like theyd be a big deal, but all they do so far is Snake Attack the group, kill donqui temporarily then let Kira aura farm before the other Fauvist goons take over||

[atomic steeple]

She

[cosmic gorge]

ayt ayt

[atomic steeple]

I'm eager to get to n corp, in part so people's misconceptions get shreded

Like thinking prosthesis are forbidden there

[stoic fjord]

||BTW Kira did that while missing half of her enhancement tattoos||

||just so we're clear on the absolute status of my GOAT||

[stoic fjord]

||all I'm saying is I better see E.G.O suit Kira locked the fuck in and kicking ass. Probably Hurting Teddy Bear||

[fickle crown]

It's probably the entire loss of self leading into you becoming one. You can't distort when there's nothing left to really be an ideal form, so the distortion defaults to your basest impulses left after losing yourself like that

[stray sleet]

|| Faust "Kira's presence did not significantly affect the outcome of the fight"
I respectfully disagree, she was putting in work||

[faint pivot]

This makes me wonder what the different classes represent

[fickle crown]

I think Peccatula naturally pupate and evolve into something much worse over time

They're little sins that grow when left unchecked

[faint pivot]

What about the class 3s that spawned when Erlking respawned?

[fickle crown]

I think higher classes can naturally occur too

[faint pivot]

||Kira very much saved my ass, thanks Faust||

[fickle crown]

But I think that requires stronger feelings when the distortion fails

Like if the class 1 peccatula are people that had a little bit left then class 3 are those that were almost defined by the emotion when their distortion failed

[fickle crown]

But yeah, each peccatula class is just a worsening version of their original sin

[atomic steeple]

You know, there's a lot of outis hints this intervallo
||She knows the gods of the city.
War vets are forbidden from residing in k and i nests, and we've speculated she was an I corp higher up||

[fickle crown]

They go from being relatively easy to handle to something entirely out of control

I think I'd compare it to neglecting a certain feeling where it just festers and rots into something worse over time

[faint pivot]

I wonder what's up with Gloom class 3's crystal ball, though

[atomic steeple]

Huh, kira weirdness
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/project-moon-thread.111168/post-38048511

||Kira understanding dante||

[keen palm]

Ye

I also noticed that

[faint pivot]

||She is rather quick on the uptake, and Dante delineated people like Vergilius those who simply Understood then, but those moments definitely stood out||

[fickle crown]

I think it's more like a ball of water

[keen palm]

I wonder if ||she understands Dante before that scene of trying to make everyone see the flashback||

Because if not I feel like that scene was just accidentally letting her understand and then she just didnt care enough to point it out

[fickle crown]

Actually that does remind me

One of the sinking gifts looks like a crystal tear

[worthy haven]

||I am really curious as to what is happening to Hong Lu. I wonder if there is something up with the Jade Eye which messes with his like spatial awareness||

[fickle crown]

||I think it makes sense given I think understanding Dante without a contract is largely instinct based||

[atomic steeple]

Hm, why did valencina's fave door lead to ||a regular office building greg worked for? Is the destination dependant on who opens?||

[worthy haven]

||it was presumably a prior smoke war front/trench in g a now a normal building||

[eternal berry]

The actual coordinates of the destination didn't change, the area probably just ||got redeveloped post-war||

[fickle crown]

||I think it really hammers home the fact neither Valencina nor Gregor actually managed to move on||

[uneven canopy]

||regular ass guy Ted||

||just like. a drinking pal that Gregor hasn't seen in a while||

[fickle crown]

||Tbh I think Gregor does still miss Ted a little bit||

||Just a little grounding point for him||

[stoic fjord]

A defined sense of normalcy

[split beacon]

that's good though

it gives Gregor a sense of reality to be anchored to

[stoic fjord]

Like... what's more normal than shooting the shit with a co-worker and talking shit about your boss?

[fickle crown]

||Also idk if anyone else noticed but I think that office was in N-Corp's district||

[stoic fjord]

Were the buildings in the background white or smth?

[fickle crown]

I think so

[gentle mulch]

Ricardocliff that uses necromancy powers to resurrect fallen Little Brothers

[dusty sigil]

Also chat, looking at Laevatin, I think it’s interesting how despite it being a relic it still looks very high tech

Most relics we see look, maybe not ancient but very traditional

[quaint cliff]

The City is old as balls, old as dirt even.

[fickle crown]

||And yes, they are white||

[dusty sigil]

The ones that buck tradition still look like they could be made via non high tech means

[quaint cliff]

Bari was talking about amusement parks 200 years ago.

[dusty sigil]

But Laevatin looks similar to the other thermal weapons we see made with by modern workshops

[quaint cliff]

And wielding a compound bow with a mass accelerator in it.

[dusty sigil]

Yah and she had her rail bow that long ago too

[quaint cliff]

Which may well be a Relic.

[fickle crown]

I don't think so

I'd argue her swords are relics

From my understanding, the relics are more fantastical than technological in nature

[quaint cliff]

Fair.

[stoic fjord]

Truthnuke

[fickle crown]

Valencina's eye is kind of a subversion of that but it still has mythological undertones

[quaint cliff]

Doesn’t Verg basically imply that Valencina’s Millenium Eye Relic eye is

yeah that

a computer

[fickle crown]

I do think Bari's bow is like... Purely some form of singularity enhanced tech

[quaint cliff]

If ||the Sign||, Singularities, and Relics all function based on the same principle like the LCE researchers conjectured, then the boundaries may be thinner than we think.

It could be that Relics are born of Wishes, and could conceivably take any form imaginable.

[fickle crown]

I think it's something to do with the stars with relics

Like they're both remnants and something else

[quaint cliff]

Perhaps the only thing that distinguishes a Relic from a Singularity is that it’s not proprietary and that they’re found in the Ruins

Or perhaps a new Singularity could even be derived from the study of a Relic

[fickle crown]

I think there was also one theory putting it out there that the relics are like abnormalities

[quaint cliff]

We know the Dieci created their stoles and keys by studying actual Relics - their equipment is a “diluted” version of the true Relics protected by their Saints.

[fickle crown]

In the sense that they might be spawned from one of the rivers

We should get Dieci Ryoshu then

[stoic fjord]

Would make sense with relic affinity as well i think

[keen palm]

I think the Rivers are just kind of an aside

I think the real thing is that Magic Is Definitely Real and comes from whatever is beyond the Outskirts

[fickle crown]

We do know that the well has thin spots that allow it to naturally spawn abnormalities

[quaint cliff]

hmmm, maybe the difference is that the principles behind Relics can actually be grasped? Unlike Singularities which are technologies that outright ignore established rules of science and physics. You can manipulate, utilize, and take advantage of their properties but the precise mechanics behind them are a mystey. They’re magical black boxes with understandable effects.

[fickle crown]

Thinking on it, I wonder if Laevateinn was the basis for the Liu association's weapons

[stoic fjord]

https://www.tumblr.com/boxdwellerstuck/806063969591754752/just-want-to-remind-all-project-moon-fans-l-corp?source=share

box dweller stuck

just want to remind all project moon fans l corp agents are canonically checking their ipads every 5 seconds to see if the manager is telling them to do something...

Tumblr · Jan 18, 2026, 7:48 AM

think about that next time you have to micromanage a single agent to help them fight an abnormality they're constantly flipping up their ipad every half a second to see what you're telling them to do```

[dusty sigil]

It also means that singularities are really just magic since they come from the same source

[quaint cliff]

Whereas as the Dieci demonstrated, you can study a Relic and create minor “relics” out of them

[keen palm]

Singularities seem to specifically be magic yes

[fickle crown]

I think the aptitude thing with relics is why the original also tends to be much stronger

[quaint cliff]

And Verg’s comment would indicate that the eye’s inner workings are known: it’s a computer, running exceedingly complex calculations

[fickle crown]

Vs the mass produced offshoots

[quaint cliff]

Even if its effects are borderline supernatural

[fickle crown]

Which are weaker but far easier to use

[dusty sigil]

It is awesome that all the singularities have sci-fi explanations for the average consumer and employee but the higher you go in the ranks the more you know those explanations are bullshit and no one really knows how these things work

[split beacon]

wait, when did Vergilius drop hot jade eye knowledge on us

[quaint cliff]

during his fight with Valencina

[dusty sigil]

“Yah K Corp ampules are nanomachines that rapidly repair or destroy the body”

Vs

“Yah they’re tears from a giant eye lol”

[split beacon]

oh that's not the jade eye lmao

[quaint cliff]

he comments that her Eye is having trouble keeping up with the calculations needed to contend with him and the Sinners at once

[split beacon]

I forgot there's another magic eye in play

[fickle crown]

Also I think that relics can partially be paralleled to EGO gear

[split beacon]

speaking of that fucking eye

[fickle crown]

Not in the sense that there's a risk of corrosion, but that the user needs to meet certain prerequisites to use them

[split beacon]

isn't it crazy that Callisto Lu went "yeah idk wtf this thing does"

"it's wild though"

we still have no fucking concept of that eye's powers other than It Does Something Amazing

[fickle crown]

Hong Lu notably stated that (while his family only had a few) there were relics down there in the family vaults

Which is also interesting

[stoic fjord]

This Eye is [DATA NOT FOUND] for an Amazing Reason

[fickle crown]

I think it might potentially point to Hong Lu being a relic user as well but that's probably a bit far fetched

[split beacon]

it does something amazing like how Ryoshu once described what Ricardo will do to them as "something amazing"

[quaint cliff]

The fact that we can have discussions like these is why I love Project Moon’s worldbuilding so much

[split beacon]

kjh never overindulges

[stoic fjord]

I wonder where Lævateinn is now

[split beacon]

LCA stole it

[stoic fjord]

I mean yeah but moreso what's going on with it now. What are they using it for

[fickle crown]

I think Dias just sees a new shiny tool

[split beacon]

you know

[fickle crown]

And well... There's also the whole Kira theory

[stoic fjord]

It would be peak. Please.

[split beacon]

if I was the LCA I would say "okay I'm plugging this into a thermal generator"

[hybrid lynx]

i feel like what it does is obvious though

[stoic fjord]

I wonder what the requirements even are for Lævateinn

[split beacon]

is... it...?

we know what its base functionality is

but Callisto Lu implies it has various other functions yet to be seen

[hybrid lynx]

yes, and that's what it does

[stoic fjord]

We don't know how or why or where the elders are even watching what goes through

[hybrid lynx]

oh

[split beacon]

that he doesn't understand and has no business fucking with

[fickle crown]

I think the main issue with that is the fact that the relic obviously changes its environment to suit its needs when left alone for long enough in its unlocked state

Yeah sure you can make it a thermal generator but it'll also become fucking lavaland in no time

[split beacon]

how do you think you turn solid rock into lava

[fickle crown]

Extreme heat

[stoic fjord]

||Aura moment would be Kira almost effortlessly unlocking the blade in full and shit like that. Make her genuinely just better. Ong||

[fickle crown]

Or is it magma?

[split beacon]

how do you think you run a thermal generator

[fickle crown]

Extreme heat yea

Though the thing with the literal rivers of magma with buildings floating in it tells me it might be beyond something that can be contained properly if it's fully unlocked

Then again, that might just be what it's like when it's fully out of control

Idek how Matthias got the damn thing sealed actually

[split beacon]

I mean I just feel like nuclear reactors have some pretty wild power output and LC probably has the resources to run one of those

[fickle crown]

But I'm pretty sure that the only reason the house of spiders didn't burn to a crisp was because Matthias both couldn't use the sword properly and it was sealed under most circumstances

That fucking idiot could've accidentally set the entire house aflame if he could actually use it now that I think about it

[stoic fjord]

Wait i forgot the specifics on this can you run it by me again

[fickle crown]

I don't know much other than "it would be cool if Kira was actually the one with the aptitude for the relic"

That's literally the entire theory lmao

[stoic fjord]

Oh fair enough lmao

[fickle crown]

I personally see her having the potential for it if she becomes a little more mature, because I think Matthias' issue was that he lacked any of the real emotional intelligence to wield it properly

[stoic fjord]

Kira already seems to be becoming more mature in some ways, I think

[quaint cliff]

or intelligence in general!

[fickle crown]

I don't actually think it's a relic that needs intelligence as much as it needs control

[split beacon]

callisto lu uptie story spoilers but also seriously what the FUCK is up with that eye.

[fickle crown]

Matthias' issue probably stemmed from him being a hedonistic dumbass

[stoic fjord]

And seeing as Matthias basically thought of it as a toy

[fickle crown]

Wild and out of control flame basically

Vs say

Something more concentrated and potent

[stoic fjord]

Give Vergilius that shit

[fickle crown]

Pushing it all into one point

[stoic fjord]

Trust

[split beacon]

we don't need to make Vergilius even stronger

[fickle crown]

I don't think Verg would want it

[stoic fjord]

True

[fickle crown]

Plus I think he's got some attachment to his own weapon

[stoic fjord]

Dual wield

[fickle crown]

Idk what it is with his gladius but it's definitely got something to do with his story

[fickle crown]

Nah

I don't think that works

Actually thinking on it, Matthias is like a dark reflection of Vergilius

Down to both making use of kicks in their attacks

[stoic fjord]

Vergilius spoils Charon but does it alongside genuine care and being there for her and taking care of her

[fickle crown]

And he'd also do literally anything to save her

Compared to Matthias just cutting Kira in half...

Or wanting to basically keep Ryoshu as what amounted to a cool pet

Just something to spoil and dump unwanted love onto

Which like

That's fucked up for me to say but I can't say I'm in the wrong

Like I think the main difference is self sacrifice compared to selfish sacrifice

[dusty sigil]

Matthias didn’t have full aptitude but he did have some since he didn’t immediately burn to death while wielding it. So there’s some quality he possessed to wield it without killing himself. Personally, just based off Matthias and laevateinn mythologically, I think it’s somehow related to ambition. He had ambition enough to slay his senior brothers and sisters to wield the blade, but not for any reason beyond him wanting it

[fickle crown]

Maybe ambition and self control?

I don't think that Matthias had it in him to focus the blade's flame beyond making it set everyone (including himself) on fire

[dusty sigil]

Matthias is defined by envy like all the middle is, part of the reason he wants so many toys is because others have them

He wants things because he wants them, there’s no grander reason for anything he does

[fickle crown]

Wild, uncontrolled, but also weaker for it

[dusty sigil]

Yah

[fickle crown]

I think my own supporting theory on the sword is that someone needs the ambition and drive to use it but also the self control required to make it an actual 5 billion degree hunk of metal that won't immediately melt you and everyone and everything in the area

Because yeah Matthias really was on fire in his fight lmao

[dusty sigil]

Yah

But he wasn’t melting alive so, he’s gotta be doing something right

[fickle crown]

He's doing something right but he's also a manchild and the relic was obviously rejecting him from the self burn and sanity loss he was getting

I think you can force aptitude by literally burning your brain up but that only works for so long

[dusty sigil]

Yah

Aptitude seems to be a tiered system

You can have some aptitude but not full aptitude

So you can use it with some drawbacks

Compared to having full aptitude where you just have access to the relic at full power

Even if sometimes they have a cost anyway (like arayashiki)

[fickle crown]

Ngl I'm also convinced that the weapon that Rien uses might be a watered down relic replica

[dusty sigil]

It’s definitely possible

[fickle crown]

We do know liquid metal technology already existed since Dieci Hong Lu came out

[dusty sigil]

It’s really unique and isn’t just, a workshop weapon

It’s unique to the index

So unless it comes from a workshop that got a prescript, it’s not just something you can buy

[fickle crown]

I think the specific way Rien's works is unique though

[dusty sigil]

Probably yah

[fickle crown]

Part of it definitely feels like it's an emotional connection thing

Because it does seem to act on his emotional state to some degree

[dusty sigil]

It’s also directly tied to Hermes in some way

Since the weapon he’s given is determined by him

[keen palm]

Durante isn't a relic as far as we know

it's just a workshop glove

[dusty sigil]

Is that the name of Rien’s weapon?

[fickle crown]

No

[keen palm]

No, it's the name of Roland's

[dusty sigil]

Ohhh

[fickle crown]

Also Durante was closer to dimensional storage if anything

Since the weapons are noted to be individual gear

[dusty sigil]

Also man, I had a thought that’s just another list to add to the “Shiomi had everything taken from her by the house of spiders”

[fickle crown]

(Roland stating he needs to fix the katana after breaking it by accident for instance)

[dusty sigil]

Since she was the only nursefather not to have a unique sword. Every nursefather either has a relic weapon, an artifact of their finger or a masterpiece they devoted their life to. Shiomi on the other hand had her sword taken away from her to give to Ryoshu, instead settling for a perfectly normal, if high quality, workshop made weapon

[fickle crown]

I think her sword was still regarded as a masterpiece

[dusty sigil]

Yah but it’s just that, a masterpiece

It’s not the relic she once wielded or a maestro’s life work or even an artifact of a finger

[fickle crown]

I'd also roughly argue her specific power was what made her unique since it was more that than the blade that made her strong imo

[dusty sigil]

It’s the greatest sword one could hope to wield but it’s not exceptionally unique like the rest of the nursefather’s weapons

[keen palm]

I don't think Ayashiki was her sword

[dusty sigil]

I coulda sworn it was stated she was the wielder before Ryoshu

And that’s why she was made the birth mother

Since her aptitude would pass on to her and more

[fickle crown]

The others had some sort of aptitude but something in Shiomi's blood was exceptional

[keen palm]

No she had the aptitude to possibly wield it

but that paled in comparison to Ryoshu

[dusty sigil]

Oh

[fickle crown]

I think that her stating that she'd whither as Ryoshu grew was also a sign that maybe she was slowly losing her sense of time?

[dusty sigil]

I feel like that’s more just tied to her growing old while basically a younger version of herself runs around

[keen palm]

Rien specifically says none of the other Nursefathers have aptitude

[dusty sigil]

Ah damn

Okay yah nvm then

[fickle crown]

Maybe, but part of me thinks that there may have been some intrinsic link between Ryoshu's growth and her slowly fading away

Plus she was the only Nursefather to actually die when Ryoshu took her revenge on the house

Everyone else survived but her

[dusty sigil]

That’s also true yah

[keen palm]

That's because out of all of them I think Ryoshu regarded her the worst

[dusty sigil]

I mean from the scene I don’t think she went into that encounter wanting to kill her, just wound her and escape like the rest of the nursefathers

It seems more like she killed her due to the incessant taunting she did

[fickle crown]

Yeah true

[dusty sigil]

While the rest pleaded with her and asked her why she was doing this, Shiomi basically just told her that this meant nothing

They’d find Araya, kill her, and then find Ryoshu and trap her there again

Maybe not those threats exactly I don’t remember the scene perfectly

[fickle crown]

I think it was also supposed to be a way of sort of fulfilling that specific Nursefather's wish

To never become like her

Just in the most twisted way imaginable

[keen palm]

I think more than anything it's because Shiomi wanted to die more than anything

[dusty sigil]

It’s probably both

[worthy haven]

|| might not be as crazy. It is kinda being hinted at that Hong Lu is currently having seemingly trouble with his balance or vision or spatial awareness. So I Def think something might be up with the eye||

[dusty sigil]

Man, I really wanna know what will be Ryoshu’s seasonal highlight ID

[fickle crown]

Also another thing but it's funny how Lei Heng's sin affinities actually give away the fact he's a pinky member

[dusty sigil]

It’s gonna be based off the Dihui Star for sure just, which one?

[dusty sigil]

Which one?

[fickle crown]

Gluttony and Envy specifically

Two things we never see in any other thumb member's kits

Pride is pretty common amongst the fingers and sort of does fill out that last one

Notably Valencina has Gloom, Sloth, and Lust in her skills alongside wrath and pride

But we don't see her with envy or gluttony in her kit

And the same goes for Lucio

[dusty sigil]

Huh, that’s really interesting

And yah so far every pinky member we’ve fought has gluttony and envy

Probably due to their worldly and solitary natures

[fickle crown]

We do however see those sins expressed by a certain someone though

But yea

I think it's a neat detail how even sin affinities tell stories

[dusty sigil]

I love it

[stoic fjord]

"Solitary"

look inside
2 students who travel by his side

[dusty sigil]

I mean solitary by like, the standards of syndicates

[stoic fjord]

Oh yeah fair

[signal kindle]

Just did ||ungezefier|| and ||rien||

C9

[gentle mulch]

how was it

[signal kindle]

It was…

Lonely.

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-26600595

[signal kindle]

I couldn’t watch the ending since I had to run and do something

I’m going to kms

I got rien with a furioso-replica and killed him

https://tenor.com/view/can-we-get-much-higher-so-high-one-piece-one-piece-is-real-gif-27101910

[signal kindle]

Might just redo the entire fight tbh

Also || Suddenly, one day... You will awaken from your nightmare, and realize that the crawling death has stalked your steps.|| goes so hard

[keen palm]

Intervallo spoilers
Noto12_34 on twitter.

[atomic steeple]

I should get dimension shredder hong lu, for his ring id

[stoic fjord]

Dim. Shredder is more rupture count iirc but also probably useful

[keen palm]

It's still an extra life

Since the main thing is the "Don't die, and you heal equal to charge count"

[cloud wadi]

I like that the Yellow Harpoon has the strength of mind to continue eating and chewing on the snack he stole from a small child as Vergil is baring down on him

[keen palm]

I think Vespa knows that Vergilus wouldn't instigate violence over Charon's snacks

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/vergilius-limbus-company-gif-2134577516086329292

Verg. Kick his ass

[fickle crown]

Wholesome family fun amirite

Unfortunately no damage because phase transition HP gate

On the plus side I got the funny kaleidoscope gift that makes matching faction IDs stronger

Yes I'm running this trio with Ricardo as the announcer too

[bronze zephyr]

hrm i feel like i might wanna swap out barb outis but this is an md team so shell have enough bloodfeast

[atomic steeple]

As soon as I'm done sharding thus season stuff, I should probably start building up shards for charge

I should get liu rodya for my burn team since I have the beatrice rodya ego, but I'm straight up getting tired of sharding rodyas

She has too much good stuff

[stoic fjord]

also Valencina Rodion soon enough

[atomic steeple]

Also liu yi sang is good for sp support, but he is behind the line of index and ring yi sang

[atomic steeple]

Oh, that too

[dusty sigil]

Man, I think it’s really funny that Kurokumo healthcliff kinda sucks as a swordsman

All his stuff is huge and imprecise

He wields the thing more like a club then a sword

[stoic fjord]

well it's working

[dusty sigil]

It does!

[atomic steeple]

I wish the wiki let you filter ego gifts

[dusty sigil]

Same

Also, do we know any syndicates who are subsidiaries of the index, ring or pinky?

I’m trying to think of any but I don’t know if there is

[stoic fjord]

I think the Church of Gears might be Index related? unsure

[dusty sigil]

They’d definitely fit in

[atomic steeple]

Carnival from ruina did receive prescripts
But that could be more due to them bein in Index territory

[dusty sigil]

Yah, even the thumb still acts out prescripts they’re given

[atomic steeple]

Fauvist meursault passing a check: Perhaps the tail is to be wagged at such an occasion.

[stoic fjord]

puppyboy meur...

[uneven canopy]

meur stocks going up

most deadpan puppy in the City

[atomic steeple]

Meur and kris deltarune being dogs

[dusty sigil]

I feel like if Kris were in the city they’d distort

Piano of the Reverberation Ensemble, The Cage

[worthy haven]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FgSPP0HhW0|| man this might be my new number 1 or 2 finger theme so far

it is so fucking nice

[dusty sigil]

Child killer sinner tier list

[vagrant dove]

RODYA

YOU CANNOT JUST DROP THAT

[dusty sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/roland-that's-that-and-this-is-this-you-must-gangnam-like-i-have-library-of-ruina-gangnam-style-gif-3306216767239349524

[worthy haven]

I think Don could be in the "might have" tier due to her actions during the war

or put her in greg tier 🤔

[dusty sigil]

Yah in the unsure tier

Bloodfiends don’t tend to turn children from what we’ve seen but like

There’s nothing stopping them from doing it

[vagrant dove]

oh my god ||kira||

[dusty sigil]

And if they did, well then yah it might’ve been a casualty of that war

[vagrant dove]

god this intervallo is so fucking funny

[worthy haven]

yee

[dusty sigil]

The main thing is that like, turning a bloodfiend is a really big choice

Because you only get 2

So I’d imagine most bloodfiends only really choose from abled bodied adults so they have someone who’s not a little kid under their control

[stoic fjord]

tbf that's apparently a common backstreets saying

but also yeah ROLANDDD

[vagrant dove]

I know but I was NOT expecting it lmao

[worthy haven]

ye but they could have made boodbags potentially of a younger war participants

[dusty sigil]

Washed up grade 9 fixer Rodya incoming…

[worthy haven]

or something along these lines

[dusty sigil]

That’s true yah but I wouldn’t consider killing a bloodbag killing a child

Bloodbags are already dead

They’re basically zombies

[vagrant dove]

she's such an ipad baby

also ||Dant is way too comfortable with using Malkuth's power||

[vagrant dove]

gregor angelica and rodya roland trust

[fickle crown]

Miss you're gonna die-

[dusty sigil]

TRUUUUUUUUUUUUE

[fickle crown]

Oop lmao

"I am doing so well!"
The devious 85 burn stack:

This is MD tho so uh

Y'know

She was kinda bound to get fucked here

Still funny as hell watching Ishmael single-handedly carry all of the burn in this run

Don kinda just wasn't countering a lot because there wasn't any need to

Also the 27 rolling S2 lmao

[worthy haven]

||It really is cruel irony that araya know basically embodies the core of ryoshus artform, but i still did find the ending very hopeful||

[vagrant dove]

oh i know what this is gonna be about

whoops forgot to spoiler that

https://tenor.com/view/i-could've-sworn-there-was-a-gif-of-this-whatever-squid-game-squid-game-edit-squid-game-edit-meme-i'm-so-scared-gif-12360771953743496060

Oh so she was-

that makes the timeline make a lot more sense

[tired canyon]

||ryoshu thats not octopus sausage
thats fucking
bacteriophage sausage||

[stoic fjord]

I wonder where in the city there are octopi

[vagrant dove]

probably a U Corp thing

[fickle crown]

U Corp or they're a rich people thing

Since pets are kind of a novelty most people absolutely can't afford

[uneven canopy]

the apartments in the City must be crazy about no pets

[vagrant dove]

LMAOO

||araya has beef with skincare, not something i was expecting||

what

WHAT

outis

YOU CANNOT JUST DROP THAT OUTIS