Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[cloud wadi]

k corp feels very familiarly Seoul, yeah

[worthy haven]

pls pmoon

[cloud wadi]

complete with riot cops walking around in full gear

[stoic fjord]

O Corp isn't real

[worthy haven]

Just like put O corp into writing like once

[cloud wadi]

and radom ass convenience stores and chicken shops around evy corner

[worthy haven]

crazy that we know more about y then O

[cosmic gorge]

Every awful imperial suit of armor in pmoon seccom

[cosmic gorge]

Riot cops...?

[cloud wadi]

the K Corp security uniforms feel very familiarly seoul riot cop outfits yeah

[bronze zephyr]

oh okay Roland is from Q Corp

found it

district 17 backstreets

[worthy haven]

i do have to remind myself often that rodion is from y corp/ district 25

[cloud wadi]

if you wander around Seoul you're actually fairly likely to encounter them at least once every few months

there's always a protest or two going on somewhere

[cosmic gorge]

Darn

[cloud wadi]

and they'll just kinda be there around that location

[worthy haven]

rereading some districts stuff

[cloud wadi]

seoul airport is also pretty absurdly protected

just these guys walking around in the open with machineguns

[atomic steeple]

Oh, cool to know

[cloud wadi]

so yeah that border checkpoint scene and k corp guards in general

feel very Seoul to me

Seoul also literally has hospitals and clinics on like

every little street

[worthy haven]

I forgot that the pianist incident deleted 80% of the total population of I corp/district 9 and not only the backstreets

[cloud wadi]

koreans also have this obsession with being scientifically advanced (even though its really not)

[bronze zephyr]

have we only been to 7 districts in limbus so far? D, H, J, K, P, T, U

[cloud wadi]

yeah

[bronze zephyr]

7/26

[cloud wadi]

i'm sure we'll explore every district

before the end of limbus

A Nest will be... a thing to see

[worthy haven]

and we still havent been to the Ruins either

[cloud wadi]

technically we have

twice

[worthy haven]

did we?

[cloud wadi]

yeah

once with gnomes

another in Warp Express

at a hospital covered in a sandstorm in the ruins

[bronze zephyr]

??? i dont remember this wha

[cloud wadi]

in warp express

we took a corridor to spend 10 seconds outside warp train

[worthy haven]

werent the gnomes explicitly in the outskirts not in the ruins?

[cloud wadi]

it sent us somewhere in the outskirts ruined hospitl or smth

hmm

aren't those basically the same

[bronze zephyr]

No

[worthy haven]

no

[cloud wadi]

ruins as in underground place then?

[worthy haven]

the ruins are the structure beneath the City

[cloud wadi]

ahh

in that case no

[bronze zephyr]

ruins are under the city- yeah

[cloud wadi]

Xichun apparently went there and came back though

[worthy haven]

where the rivers run and the nebulas roam

ye

[cloud wadi]

suffering heavy casualties

but still managed somehow

[bronze zephyr]

xichun went there, Don's lighthouse she stayed in was also there

[worthy haven]

ok actually we technically have been there once during a flashback*

ye

[cloud wadi]

we haven't physically went there

we as in dante

but i'm sure we will one day

[worthy haven]

but the Ruins seem really important for what damian might be planning

I firmly believe w#e will visit them during canto 12

[cloud wadi]

cities built atop cities built atop cities built atop cities

[atomic steeple]

Ruins are stuff across the city, though I think outskirts ruins may exist too
They are some precursor shit

[cloud wadi]

complete with losttech artifacts

[bronze zephyr]

there's 5 known relics from the ruins, definitely more esp since the Dieci collects them

[cloud wadi]

the Keyblade and Stoll

[atomic steeple]

H corp has a lot of ruins, thus other wings would love to take it

[bronze zephyr]

it's never said the ruins are in the outskirts i think

[cloud wadi]

presumably the relics used by saintess of Dieci

[worthy haven]

I def think that this place where she presumably build/found/made the deal with Mephistopheles is in the Ruins

[bronze zephyr]

I dont think keyblades are artifiacts?

[cloud wadi]

dieci keyblade is said to be designed ased on a Relic

[atomic steeple]

It's never said outskirts don't have ruins of their own, right?

[bronze zephyr]

ic

[cloud wadi]

used by the saintess of the Dieci

outskirts I believe have ruined structures and abandoned structures yeah

you can kinda see those in ruina ending

[atomic steeple]

Fun fact
Arayashiki is a relic that erases memories as a cost
Just like dieci

[bronze zephyr]

i feel like theres a distinction between The Ruins beneath the city and any ruined structure but nothing concrete

[worthy haven]

and damian said that "nebula" roam them. I think R corp also does expeditions into them, Zwei seems to also due stuff in them according to zwei ish and I assume X corp also does

[atomic steeple]

I think dieci have a relic for each cardinal direction
And perhaps a 5th for the center of the city
Dunno if associations have central branches

[worthy haven]

Oh sorry it wasnt damian!

Sanson said that line with the floating nebulae

[bronze zephyr]

we know so little about A B and C corp but a central division has never been mentioned

[atomic steeple]

Yeah
I just think that whatever old civilization could have held bigger territory than the city
Or at least have far away settlements
It's mostly inference
Something could have been mentioned in lob corp, but that was a very early form of the lore

[worthy haven]

Sidenote I am still so curious how the thing that Sanson talked about with the Boughs will play out

[bronze zephyr]

which thing?

[cloud wadi]

well there's human settlements in the outskirts

and also ruined structures

so it's a safe enough assumption that human presence in the outskirts used to be significantly larger

[atomic steeple]

Okay, but that could be regular stuff rather than super magitech Ruins

We don't even know what Ruins look like

[bronze zephyr]

my theory is that Demian's mentions of creating a new world is something that happened before, someone "wished on a star" and the old world was somehow dissolved in favor of the city we have now
PURE conjecture but Demian fascinates me

[worthy haven]

This line. It could only be like metaphorically but it could also be more tangible i feel

[uneven canopy]

those dieci theories really got some of us going

[bronze zephyr]

image of Lethe, river in the ruins

[atomic steeple]

Oh there's that

[cloud wadi]

ruins apprently

[bronze zephyr]

yeah the golden boughs "growing" something like a fruit or plant has been menitoned multiple times

[cloud wadi]

is a very blue place

much like the edges of the outskirts

much like the smoke of smoke war the second

[worthy haven]

ye but especially how and if the action in taking it are affecting it interest me

[atomic steeple]

Granted, a lot of singularities come from the outskirt

The city cannot advance without exploiting the outskirts

[cloud wadi]

the apple

[worthy haven]

sanson does say "So that the fallen nebulae's homeward journey to the star may not be veiled in shadows. " and that " "It is a deep, deep place where no one dares tread. The deepest part of the City, once challenged by countless adventurers, Knights, and Fixers… A quiet, terribly tranquil place inhabited only by the floating nebulae... "

[cloud wadi]

and gregor has been trained to cut the apple

[worthy haven]

and the faust ego picture which i firmly believe are in the Ruins

but obvi not confirmed :d

[atomic steeple]

The city is a stagnant rotting place, which needs to consume the outside to keep itself spinning

Even as it rejects the outside as infectious to its ordee

[lean fjord]

I still think the City is as much there to protect the outside from humans as the other way around

[bronze zephyr]

the confirmed relics are
Mambrino, used in canto 7 so Papa Don's children could hurt him,
Gungnir used by Vespa
Odin used by Valencina (appaerntly a third of a larger relic)
Laevateinn used by Matthais, apparently the "heat source for a lava river in the ruins", though he has low aptitude
Arayashiki ofc, notably this one is also the Tiansha Star's blade so there's weird pinky stuff there
And the vague mention of the four Dieci relics used by their Saints

[atomic steeple]

From the city inhabitants you mean
The outside has human villages

[cloud wadi]

yeah the Helm of Mambrino is a relic

and it's a very strange perception affecting relic

[atomic steeple]

The other odin parts may be based on the mythological ravens of odin, hugin and munin

[cloud wadi]

it's possible its true use is something else and don just didn't have the ability to use it effectively

i can see its potential use by assassins for nstance

[bronze zephyr]

yeah its only stated effect is that others see the one wearing it as an equal

[cloud wadi]

yeah

but if one could fully control its effect... maybe others could see the one wearing it as "their own"?

[worthy haven]

it is also worth mentioning that some artifacts seemingly seek out their user

like the spear tip of gungnir is implied to

[cloud wadi]

coincidence

[bronze zephyr]

Mm

[worthy haven]

flow type beat

[bronze zephyr]

mhm

now i wanna find every instance of the stars or nebulae mentioned...

[dusty sigil]

Zena muses on the topic as she’s sending the library to the outskirts

And like, if an arbiter talks about it it’s almost certainly correct

[cloud wadi]

protecting the rest of the world from human madness or smth

[dusty sigil]

The head seems to believe that humans ought to stay humans, and monsters ought to stay monsters

[lean fjord]

Considering how much we've also heard about primordial humanity now, and it being seemingly very different

[dusty sigil]

That it’s important we not change these monsters

[worthy haven]

I do wonder if the H corp heishou xianren do live in constant fear of that or if they chill

it does seem implied they are heavily on the edge of the rule/taboo

[cloud wadi]

they've been skirting the rule for hundreds of years

[lean fjord]

they seem to know pretty exactly where the line is

[cloud wadi]

i'm sure they know where the lines are yeah

[worthy haven]

so chill

[lean fjord]

and what they can and can't do

[cloud wadi]

those who didn't, died

that's why there's only 12 of them

it seems like every new attempt to make more faled

[lean fjord]

I'm mostly extrapolating that from the Hong Lord uptie, where the Xianren refuse to give him the true secrets of the Heishou

unless things are really fucked

[cloud wadi]

yeah

now i'm ot sure if war power restriction is out of danger of breaking taboo or just general law that they all agreed to abide by

[lean fjord]

but presumably the Heishou could be going a lot further

[cloud wadi]

yeah

[worthy haven]

The bolus by grandma did also seem to still be ok

[cloud wadi]

we've seen one example of a strategic weapon by G Corp

[dusty sigil]

I do really wonder what the fuck they’re doing to be skirting the line since in Ruina they say that the definition of human the head uses is anything born a human

[cloud wadi]

and I'm ssuming full power Heishou are... something on that level

[worthy haven]

And another one via the Horse presumably

[dusty sigil]

It must be truly fucked if they’re approaching the line into non humanity by the head’s standards

[worthy haven]

Although only visually

[cloud wadi]

well we don't really know what the horse does

[worthy haven]

True true

[dusty sigil]

Maybe full death and rebirth as a non human? Similar to the cuckoos?

[bronze zephyr]

doin research, i wonder if the Eye of Odin was the Bognateli family heirloom

[cloud wadi]

but i'm saying one of G Corp's strategic wepon was bsically on the same level s a color fixer

[dusty sigil]

They sprouted out of the bodies of humans

Maybe the Heishou are close to sprouting out their own new species

[cloud wadi]

so i'm guessing H Corp's full power heishous can body color fixers too

[lean fjord]

I'm fairly certain one of the swords was the heirloom

[worthy haven]

And that was still partially unfinished/half transformed Ungeziefer kaiser

[keen palm]

I would assume every corp has a means to kill star of the city threats

[dusty sigil]

Yah

Emperor Gregor has the title of wing’s decisive weapon

That implies he’s not the only one

[worthy haven]

Gah I am so excited to when Wayfarer corp decides to unleash the war for the Place

[keen palm]

Otherwise powerful syndicates or fixers would just walk in and take it over

[worthy haven]

Valencina did mention 3 others

[cloud wadi]

a few got named yeah

Moth Princess

[dusty sigil]

Yah at the end of the day either via overwhelming numbers or weapons that are equal to the roach emperor, the wings hold power for a reason

[keen palm]

All of them got named

[dusty sigil]

They have the monopoly on violence

[cloud wadi]

yeah dante's notes are like

"If G Corp had this and they lost the war, I hate to think of what kind of weapons the other side were using"

[dusty sigil]

God

I really wanna know what R Corp has

Since they’re literally the mercenary wing

Their entire business revolves around war

[worthy haven]

We did hear about that missile that rapidly ages people

[cloud wadi]

that seems to be the T Corp weapon but that seems rather convntional to be decisive

[worthy haven]

True

[dusty sigil]

Funny that now we know the taboo around projectile explosives those probably exist to skirt around the head lol

[cloud wadi]

maybe some kind of ability to project TT2 protocol on the local, non-enclosed area

[worthy haven]

We still don't know anyone else besides old G that stood beside old old L right?

[keen palm]

Weeeeee do

[worthy haven]

Oh?

[cloud wadi]

E and F Corp

fought on old L corp's side

[dusty sigil]

Neat

[cloud wadi]

accoring to Outis' uptie

[dusty sigil]

Do we know anything else about them?

[worthy haven]

wait wasnt it the oppsite?

[cloud wadi]

interestingly, we also knnow that F Corp was unhappy with old L Corp

but according to Outis' head manager uptie

apparently they were fighting on old L Corp's side

[cloud wadi]

at least in that mirror world

[dusty sigil]

They could have sided with them due to other reasons

Like maybe to cripple their own rival

[atomic steeple]

Just that a lot of corpses were used to make it

[cloud wadi]

the second smoke war menawhile

apparently is dominated by airborne fighters

[worthy haven]

I thought I read that F corp was unhappy with old old L due to the smoke fucking up fairy breeding or something

[cloud wadi]

which is interesting in the city

[dusty sigil]

I wonder if someone invents flying machines again

Because I don’t think they were taboo just concept erased

[worthy haven]

mb wasnt due to the smoke but

[cloud wadi]

The L Corp. that came before Lobotomy Corporation imposed unfair conditions, and many Wings weren’t happy about it. There’s W Corp, which had to raise admission fees and get less trains running because of the energy deficiency. Also F Corp, which wanted to experiment with Fairies to use ‘em in various ways, but failed to produce satisfactory results because they didn’t get enough energy…

[worthy haven]

ye

[cloud wadi]

they weren't getting a good deal on energy

[dusty sigil]

Oh right F is the fairy Corp

[worthy haven]

that said we still dont know if E and F were in the war in our timeline

[cloud wadi]

yeah

[lean fjord]

Fairies are so funny

[cloud wadi]

can open anything

[dusty sigil]

Including wounds

[keen palm]

Its really funny how little we actually know about the smoke war

Considering how vital it is to the setting

[cloud wadi]

it's like WWI in that sense 😛

super important to why the world is the way it is

people would struggle to name a single battle that happened in it

[lean fjord]

yeah just fucking conceptual bullshit
like how Binah IIRC uses them to unlock memories at one point?

[worthy haven]

the clear enemies of Old Old L were I and K as major opponents, fourth r pack and the udjat and the thumb

[atomic steeple]

At the least, we know embracing the smoke made it hurt you less, or even help you
(Hello puffy brume and certain sinclair lore)

[dusty sigil]

Yah, but like, it makes sense. We only really have to know about it in regards to how it lead to the setting as we know it and how it hurt its victims

[worthy haven]

I do think it is very very interesting the thumb was an explicit enemy of old g

[dusty sigil]

The only part we need to know is that it lead to new L Corp being in power and that hurt a fuck ton of people

[cloud wadi]

yeah i mean it makes sense they'd get involved as merenaries

free money and pth to glory

[worthy haven]

ya

[cloud wadi]

i'd wager every finger was invoved in the smoke war in varying capacities

[worthy haven]

but

outis canto is soon

[atomic steeple]

I wonder if there's some application of the cloning singularity that could be used for a decisive weapon besides revives
Or if their decisive weapon is based on the bioelectricity/psychic tech they probably got from old R corp

[cloud wadi]

lots and lots of money up for grabs in these kinda of sitch

[worthy haven]

and I still hope for the intervallo canto redux for greg and rodya

ESP Rodion

[dusty sigil]

Knowing how the will of the city seemed to want Lob Corp the index almost certainly was commanded to participate

[cloud wadi]

well i put out this theory before

technically

[worthy haven]

oh wait

[cloud wadi]

you can have multiple clones of the person on the field

[worthy haven]

do we count certain sinclair moment as his ego moment? 🤔 prob not right

[cloud wadi]

as long as you are willing to blow them all up before 7 days

[keen palm]

Mobsters fighting ww1 is really funny

[worthy haven]

we still need those 3 missing ego moments!!!

[dusty sigil]

Nah the mark is different

[lean fjord]

yeah they just need to die before the time is up 😛

[worthy haven]

pls give me rodya ego moment :3

[bronze zephyr]

sorry im still on my lore binge, what do we think of this

[cloud wadi]

so theoretically you can just flood the battlefield with clones

[atomic steeple]

True

[dusty sigil]

You’re a lawyer mercenary hired to fight bug people in trench warfare with minimal guns, your allies are Greeks, a healthcare company, clones in bunny suits and the Italian mafia

[cloud wadi]

it makes sense

it's not a normal concept incinerator

which would require you to personally destroy every single record of the item you wish to delete before concept incineration really takes

with arayashiki, you only need to cut the target you wish to delete

and every record changes to reflect the severance

like say you wish to delete someone with a concept incinerator

you are going to have to burn that guy

but also every single records, pictures, documents, etc that even mention the guy

before concept incineration takes

with arayashiki

you only need to kill him with it

and arayashiki isn't actually concept incineration

it's more like severance

[bronze zephyr]

from Yi Sang's explanation, whatever is "placed within muga" is detethered from reality yeah

[cloud wadi]

yeah

objects cut by arayashiki can no longer interact with physical realm

it's more like they are transported outside of our plane of reality

rather than deleted

[bronze zephyr]

i wonder how Shiomi's bloodline's perception of time alters the aptitude for it?

[cloud wadi]

it seems to work by limiting the amount of information arayashiki consumes

because the issue appears to be that arayashiki consumes too much memory when somoene without the aptitude tries to wield it

[keen palm]

I think the question really is

what's so different about Shiomi and Ryoshu

that Shiomi couldn't do it

[bronze zephyr]

i think ryoshu just has better. genes? perception of time?

i dunno what influences their bloodline

or why the bloodline has it in the first place

pinky stuff, my friend theorizes

[dusty sigil]

Could be that it’s because Ryoshu was trained for it since she was a child?

[keen palm]

I hope one day we learn the importance of red eyes

[dusty sigil]

Shiomi was already pretty old by the time she was locked in the house of spiders

She might have lost the chance to gain perfect aptitude

[bronze zephyr]

mm true

[dusty sigil]

Based off what we know I don’t think relics are purely just, you either have it or you don’t

Relics seem to be tied to the flow and the flow is partially about your experiences just as it’s about fate

[bronze zephyr]

mm

[eternal berry]

Beyond them being a Bloodfiend thing or commonplace combat augmentations?

[bronze zephyr]

or them as symbolism?

[keen palm]

symbolism

Because like

Carmen has red eyes

and despite them saying "Oh, red eyes are common as combat augs :)" barely ANYONE has them

[dusty sigil]

So far we’ve got, Carmen, Verg, Ryoshu, Shiomi and the bloodfiends

Hmmm

Idk what they share

[bronze zephyr]

Red Eyes abno

Verg has red eyes cuz they’re Bloodfiend eyes too

[eternal berry]

There's more characters with red eyes than you'd think if you go looking

[keen palm]

Like who?

[eternal berry]

Jun, Sasha, Alyssa, Ezra, Ricardo, Jia Huan

Dias also, plus Myo and Rudolph among the 4th Pack

[keen palm]

Ah dang Library of Ruinia

[eternal berry]

Don’t remember if all of the 4th Pack have the augments or not, these are just the ones I remember glowing

[bronze zephyr]

Sasha is cuz of augments, mayve the same as Ryo and Shiomi

[stoic fjord]

I know for a fact at least one corp would instantly enslave the gnomes

[bronze zephyr]

But

[keen palm]

Shiomi's eyes appear to be natural

[stoic fjord]

Assuming the others were at the same level as the basic, half molted, newborn superweapon

I'm willing to guess there is a much larger gap

Especially for a corporate war

[bronze zephyr]

Oh was it just that Ryoshu got red eye augments and Shiomi didn’t like it cuz it made her resemble her?

I think that mightve been ut

[keen palm]

yea

[bronze zephyr]

Okok

[keen palm]

Also technically

Ryoshu's eyes are also naturally red

Since she had them as a baby

[bronze zephyr]

Hm yeah

[keen palm]

It's a discrepency we don't know if it's intentional or not

maybe they didn't GLOW until she got the augs lol

[stoic fjord]

God, ||the scene of Shiomi and Ryoshu sharing a light as they smoke together|| makes me tear up

(Canto 9 spoilers)

[eternal berry]

I’ll have to check if babyshu’s eyes are drawn differently than augmented Ryo’s eyes

[glad fable]

(Why did the smoke war have trench warfare if most factions don’t have good firearms?)

[stoic fjord]

Presumably because R Corp was there

While also like

[glad fable]

Ah right

[stoic fjord]

There being enough to make an advance not exactly easy for them either

[keen palm]

Gregor explicitly says why

[stoic fjord]

I forgor 💀

[dusty sigil]

Xichun paraphrasing his lesson

[stoic fjord]

Right but if only one side has suppressing fire and range then it shouldn't go to trench warfare, no?

Did G Corp have artillery too? Am I forgetting something?

[keen palm]

It should if you are focusing on small incremental gains

[uneven canopy]

i gotta wonder how they made the trench battlefields

[stoic fjord]

Okay yeah fair

[keen palm]

But yeah, like, from what we've seen of the Smoke War

Cities were leveled to make open plains, at which point overwhelming G Corp troops would go up and over

like WW1

[dusty sigil]

Even in an environment with a low density of projectiles trenches are still quite good at defending your soldiers from enemies attempting to reach them

At the end of the day being behind a bunch of cover is good if you don’t want enemies to be able to approach you from any angle

[stoic fjord]

I still think it's so fucking funny ACS genuinely did the time traveler thing

"Oh yeah btw WW2 soon"

"WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE'S A SECOND ONE???"

[keen palm]

"Oh so the FIRST world war"
"the what"

[stoic fjord]

Also "don't grieve everything at once"

What? Elaborate. No don't go we need you to elaborate what do you mean by that sir

[dusty sigil]

I wonder what’ll change in this timeline so all the sinners -Sinclair don’t horribly die before the second smoke war

Because like, I doubt limbus will end with everyone dead except Sinclair

[cosmic gorge]

I think that ACS's timeline is gone now based on his musing

If everything he did was meant to lead up to this moment

Very Homestuck doomed timeline

[dusty sigil]

Yah I assumed so but like, something different still has to happen you know?

Like maybe Hohenheim was doomed to die if not for ACS so him surviving will make the difference

[cosmic gorge]

Yeap

[dusty sigil]

also man I know that like the flow makes victory kinda guaranteed but like

It is really funny how Callisto kinda got the C team lol

Valencina has Vergilius sent after her

Matthias got the entire LCD which includes a new color

And Callisto got 2 vengeful researchers

[lean fjord]

Hohenheim was putting in work tbf, but yeah

[cosmic gorge]

Inserting my limbus oc in the callisto fight for character reasons

[dusty sigil]

Yah Hohenheim upgraded his EGO gear at least

[cosmic gorge]

Also verg wouldve probably on sighted callisto if not for valencia threatening charon i think

Or not bc contract reasons

[dusty sigil]

Verg’s contract didn’t seem to apply here

Because this wasn’t a LCB mission, it was a limbus mission

[jaunty jay]

With what I've heard about Verg, Callisto seems kinda distant from his reasons for disliking the Ring, though probably wouldn't hold back if given the chance.

[lean fjord]

A lot of things happened during the raid that 'weren't supposed to happen'

[cosmic gorge]

Yeah hes a washed maestro rather than a pointillist

Good point

[lean fjord]

Which kinda makes me curious what the intended outcome of events would have been

[dusty sigil]

Either Hohenheim or Alyssa dead for sure

[cosmic gorge]

Not alyssa for ACS timeline

[dusty sigil]

They were practically racing each other to kill themselves first

[cosmic gorge]

Hohenheim and the DD crew probably

[dusty sigil]

I can’t think of why they’d die

[cosmic gorge]

Offscreened if not for malkuth

The big split point might be when the doors split the party

[dusty sigil]

Matthias was the only nurse father where things went to plan

[dusty sigil]

Ohh right yah

[cosmic gorge]

||hermes|| as a city god invites one to think of the other greek gods in that context...

[gentle mulch]

"H78$&#zj_"
"my baddd lol"

[atomic steeple]

I wonder what mechanics new r corp units could have

[cloud wadi]

Dirty rat

[glad fable]

I 100% believe ||Hermes|| would do this, Rien Sang's uptie has them being indecisive and changing the prescripts constantly

[ebon forge]

Poseidon as the paper slip…

[stoic fjord]

Jia Qiu imprenating Lei Heng...

[dusty sigil]

Is that not what happened?

I may have read the wrong canto

[dusty sigil]

Chat, if old seasonal IDs were released today what gimmicks do y’all think they’d have?

[split beacon]

The Pequod IDs would have more assist attack combos

[atomic steeple]

R corp ids would all have potency mechanics

[ebon forge]

bl sinclair would have actual coin power

[stoic fjord]

Spicebush would have a unique status instead of self tremor and have some kind of mini-deluge instead of a full one and more effects beyond that spread across the kit, I think

[lean fjord]

probably yeah

[lean fjord]

N Corp Fanatics might actually have been a functional team if they were made now

Nclair and N Faust with modern design would go crazy probably

[gentle mulch]

sloshmael would have sloshystacks

idk which ids are seasonal or not

[lean fjord]

actually now I'm wondering what Sunshower would look like now

presumably would also be actually functional

[gentle mulch]

Sun shower with corrosion protection

[stoic fjord]

also real numbers

[atomic steeple]

Would have more to make his sloth aoe actually relevant, plus synergy/buffs with the tech liberation guys

W hong lu would distribute more charge barriers and frequently

R corp rabbits would enter a special mode upon running out of ammo

[keen palm]

Is there any good limbus merch you guys know of

Fan or official or whatever

[lean fjord]

there is official merch, but I think it's very hard to get outside of SK

[stoic fjord]

aiui most of it is sold at HamHamPangPang

[lean fjord]

yeah

[ebon forge]

PMoon seriously needs to collab with GoodSmile or anyone to offer international shipping and more merch ngl

[atomic steeple]

Gonna do my first dual status md

Charge bleed

[lean fjord]

nice

dual keyword is pretty fun

[atomic steeple]

Charge has fun stuff

[keen palm]

They did

Limited time only unforchies

[faint pivot]

Bookmark for today's B.R.

[stoic fjord]

ring lu and ring faust genuinely trivialize MDE in a charge/bleed team

they were the only ones able to clash and still won

no piece of relationship

[faint pivot]

What was the rest of your comp?

[stoic fjord]

Manager Don, Priest Greg, W Outis, W Heathcliff

and REAPshu

[gentle mulch]

oh yeah

she's bleed charge innot

[wild mango]

still in awe that jia qiu doesnt even have to take a backswing

he puts the staff ON LEI HENG'S SHOULDER and makes his head explode

[gentle mulch]

lei heng announcer still a gem

[gentle mulch]

there seems to be an inverse relationship between how how powerful a multi ring mang attack is vs how much is done

like 1 or 2 mang you can get pretty violent but 5 and 7 is "explicitly gentle sliding" and "wave of hand"

which could literally just be aura farming but it's all we got

[stoic fjord]

I feel like part of it might genuinely be any more force would cause insane collateral

[atomic steeple]

@neon blade

[gentle mulch]

would be the same reason why verg doesnt run

[stoic fjord]

exactly

[neon blade]

Who summons me

[stoic fjord]

I think also for Demian it's kind of like

his vibe

he's floaty. he's vague and mystic. of course his singular attack is also going to be floaty and mystical

[wild mango]

we've seen a 7 ring mang?

[gentle mulch]

canto 3 iirc

[stoic fjord]

Demian

Canto 3

||he uses 7 mang and presumably the slight air displacement from waving his hand to instantly bisect kromer||

[gentle mulch]

dont worry im a fake fan i wasnt paying attention until canto like 4-5

[stoic fjord]

and instantly vaporize her upper body

though that might be just distortion bullshit and not

the force of the attack

we don't know

[wild mango]

OH right

[stoic fjord]

also our only instance of mang not focused around an object

[wild mango]

he has the sign too?

[stoic fjord]

yes

[gentle mulch]

iiiiiiiii do not believe you need the sign to manifest rings iirc

[fluid whale]

Pandora, I think she wants you to join the community here, although be warned, there are lots of free floating spoilers

[atomic steeple]

New player

[main scaffold]

We must initiate spoiler quarantine protocols

[stoic fjord]

yeah no it's not like, required, they're two separate things

[main scaffold]

(Spoiler tagging literally everything)

[atomic steeple]

I called you here because winged wants less gacha discussion outside containment

[neon blade]

Spoilers don't bother me

[stoic fjord]

oh okay

[gentle mulch]

nice

[stoic fjord]

so in canto 4,

[gentle mulch]

the spoilers are all aura

[stoic fjord]

truth nuke

[main scaffold]

Oh okay, that makes things easier then

Onno Inada ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Spoilers don't bother me

[wild mango]

||i would assume the amount mang multiplies the power of an attack by is exponential with the number of rings||

[stoic fjord]

I still think we should spoiler stuff from like

the big moments of the major cantos

[fluid whale]

This is a really good story, though, for what it's worth- I recommend going through things on your own, so you have good reactions

[stoic fjord]

yeah that

it's like

[atomic steeple]

Okay
Get ready for the 10 cgs long ryoshu x don cutscene

[stoic fjord]

fuuuuuuck going in blind genuinely changed my life

[stoic fjord]

stop pushing your agenda

everyone knows the actual 10 CG long yuri cutscene is between Zilu and Zigong in Spring Cultivation

[atomic steeple]

Also 20 cgs myo x olga

[stoic fjord]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159883117448929316/1492949214446092299/IMG_4222.gif

[fluid whale]

holy shit I never saw that gif or its origin before, that's SO GOOD

[wild mango]

wild that they can just fuckin

take nutella up there

buy that shit in a store

send it to space

unmodified

[stoic fjord]

tbf nutella doesn't make like

crumbs

[gentle mulch]

launch it to the moon

[stoic fjord]

the main issue is crumbs

[wild mango]

wild advertising

[stoic fjord]

how wild...

[wild mango]

a government agent had to go to a store

buy like....

10 nutellas or something, WITH TAXPAYER MONEY

[stoic fjord]

Nutella: astronauts fw our product

[wild mango]

And be like "yeah we're sending these to space"

[atomic steeple]

Shock centipede died right before hong lu hit 0 tableau

[wild mango]

“They sent our shit AROUND THE MOON”

[gentle mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSgLHwt4G0

[neat cedar]

mood

[bronze zephyr]

Pickin up my nightly reading

[tired canyon]

||Elena:tzimisce
Don: malkavian
Dulcinea:toreador
Nicolina:toreador
What about Sancho,curiambro and casseti||

[stoic fjord]

I need to get FA&Sshu

[faint pivot]

Feel free to liveblog your journey here btw

[atomic steeple]

No, ||don and sancho|| are brujah

[neon blade]

Just finished the first canto. Yuri gets better right? Right?!

[faint pivot]

Well

Distraction Yi Sang Deployed

[faint pivot]

Nay, canto 1 sets the overall tone for The City and The City is cruel

[neon blade]

[faint pivot]

Tis not the tone of Limbus' story though

Not entirely at least

[tired canyon]

....really?

||I can kinda see it in Sancho,but don?||

[atomic steeple]

It's all about the passion and ideals

[faint pivot]

The first truly insurmountable obstacle

The loss of Yuri...

[atomic steeple]

||Dad quixote|| has no prophecy or psychic associations
They isn't about being wise or clever

||He is a man ||who dreamed

[tired canyon]

Fair enough

What about the others then

[atomic steeple]

Dunno
Salubri curiambro?
Cassetti could be toreador

[keen palm]

Cassetti is a ventrue

[atomic steeple]

Oh true

[cosmic gorge]

oh new person

spoiler time

[atomic steeple]

"I am the prince"

[cosmic gorge]

maybe

[keen palm]

Oh shit right

[atomic steeple]

Nah onno

Doesn't care

About spoilers

[keen palm]

Safe for work Sasuke deploying

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-uchiha-fortnite-griddy-sasuke-fortnite-gif-25470299

[atomic steeple]

I'd say to just cover up major twists

[tired canyon]

I mean the entire ||Sancho is a bloodfiend|| thing is the biggest twist we have

[cosmic gorge]

there is also ||the fauscord||

and the fate of ||a certain plucky little sister in canto 8||

[atomic steeple]

Was just about done covering that up

[cosmic gorge]

||because of how often side characters die, her survival is the biggest twist thus far.||

[faint pivot]

Like Yuri reappearing as a teacher /j

...HAH

DOOMSDAY CALENDAR

I JUST REALIZED HOW THAT RESONATED WITH GREGOR

DAMN YOU PMOON

[atomic steeple]

Hm?

[stoic fjord]

okay so

[faint pivot]

||Creak||

[stoic fjord]

and you have to hear me out here

maybe

it's a really, really big maybe

for a lot of reasons

that we can't get into until several cantos later

and a lot of agendaposting

[faint pivot]

To be more explicit about it, ||both are ticking time bombs||

[quaint cliff]

They’re all a mutant freak offshoot bloodline of Malkavians

[stoic fjord]

you have to trust me though it'll happen

[quaint cliff]

Who can crystallize their delusions into hardblood forms

[stoic fjord]

I finished the story thus far and I'm still coping

[quaint cliff]

That’s how I implemented the Manchegans in my VtM games, at least.

[stoic fjord]

ok so I would say ||bomb is not enough to describe it||

[tired canyon]

Dude that rules

[stoic fjord]

the sentiment rings true but it is not intense enough

[faint pivot]

Yeah well I'd rather not spoil this part

[atomic steeple]

Again, ||no intelectual associations. Making them malkavians just because they're quirky and went mad from torment is boring||

[faint pivot]

Cause like

[stoic fjord]

fair lmao

[faint pivot]

Shit

That was such a shocker lmao

I'd be remiss to deprive anyone of that experience

[stoic fjord]

the way my face fucking dropped gng 😭

actually felt my heart fall into my pelvis

[quaint cliff]

It was Dad Quixote’s summoned delusion-carousel-ponies that inspired it, mostly

[stoic fjord]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bucktooth-bucktooth-emoji

[faint pivot]

I sank harder than the canto 1 rats pit against KoDya

[stoic fjord]

not having Faint Aroma ryoshu might genuinely kill me I've played all of my double status teams and nothing else comes until Thumb

WAIT

I CAN GRIND FOR UT4 LEVEL 60 MIDDLE ISHMAEL

TO DO A RUN WITH SINCLAIR AND ISHMAEL MIDDLE

[quaint cliff]

The idea is that Manchegan Kindred all have a “role” they are compelled to fill - typically medieval delusions - and can manifest those delusions through a seemingly independently developed form of blood sorcery.

[atomic steeple]

I could see a malkavian angle but I lean more to some other clan or bloodline

[stoic fjord]

that's enough for the nocturnal sweeping gift!

[atomic steeple]

Oh I see

Makes sense

[stoic fjord]

what's the barber meant to be there?

[cosmic gorge]

which one

[quaint cliff]

They’ve all got Don Quixote delusions, basically.

[cosmic gorge]

oh the Middle one

[faint pivot]

The Middle one

[stoic fjord]

everlasting chains of bond I think

[faint pivot]

Yepyep

That's the fusion

[stoic fjord]

it's the one that needs two fielded middle members

[quaint cliff]

They’re not literally all roles from Cervantes’ novel or the Man of La Mancha lmao

I should dig up the old doc when I get the chance

[stoic fjord]

no I mean like, a medieval analogue for what she is

[cosmic gorge]

i usually avoid the sweeper pack unless i am fielding rupture or gun people

pierce teams i mean

[ebon forge]

also wondering, what would yalls limbus company be if you chose the sinners

[quaint cliff]

A barber, I’d assume. Which back then would have basically been the doctor.

[stoic fjord]

okay I was going to guess this but it was also like

[quaint cliff]

Unless the profession is a lot younger than I’ve been lead to believe

[stoic fjord]

"she doesn't really seem much like a doctor..."

[cosmic gorge]

i would still have a gregor
metamorphosis is too iconic

[quaint cliff]

Frankenstein

[cosmic gorge]

or in the hypothetical reaction to the existing roster, hm

[quaint cliff]

(pronounced “Fronkenshteen”)

[stoic fjord]

does it have to be classic literature

[cosmic gorge]

i mean
my limbus oc is greg heffley

i think itd have to be literature at least

[stoic fjord]

anyways to be completely transparent I don't read enough as of late beyond manga and fanfiction, I don't know who I'd make for my bus team

[ebon forge]

nah

my thoughts would be like

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[stoic fjord]

okay highkey tempted to maybe use a character from a yuri manga

[ebon forge]

first of all, Han Sooyoung or Kim Dokja, one of the ORV protags

just because I KNOW it'd be fucking hilarious

[cosmic gorge]

pandora and i talked about a Karkat Homestuck sinner a while back

who has a very hohenheim-adjacent backstory in hindsight

[ebon forge]

Kitanai Kimi ga ichiban kawaii mc

[atomic steeple]

Hope you can find it

[bronze zephyr]

the main thing Ive read from "classic" lit is like, farenheit 451?

catcher in the rye, grapes of wrath, uh

[stoic fjord]

that shit genuinely fucking scarred me gang 💔

like in a good way I think but also. fucked up.

[cosmic gorge]

its here in the backlog of this chat somewhere

for limbus company oc comps
i wanna sayy Simoun from el filibusterismo but my spoons involving adapting that book into a fictional work have been spent for my Lancer campaign (where Simoun/Ibarra is a vengeful woman doing a Char Aznable on the House of Stone noble house controlling a DLS planet)

@faint pivot poking you bc you are one of the only people who know what im talking about

[bronze zephyr]

oh right i also read oedipus lmao

[ebon forge]

i feel like a protag like Bibi from I Love Amy would be fun stuff

[bronze zephyr]

oedipus sinner would be insane

[quaint cliff]

happy 4/13 bee tee dubs

[bronze zephyr]

oh right its 4/13

happy homestuck day

[cosmic gorge]

it was 4/13 where i am

but for my friends in the past, happy homestuck day

wow talking with people from the past

[stoic fjord]

🙂‍↕️

[cosmic gorge]

exactly just like homestuck

talking to you folks who are in the past is a homestuck refere-

[stoic fjord]

in general I think-

[stoic fjord]

I think you should be executed.

[quaint cliff]

Days Gone Without Reinventing Homestuck: 0

and we had such a good streak…

[stoic fjord]

I think I would need to dig to find stuff thematically rich enough to satisfy a limbus bus team

[cosmic gorge]

homestuck
jojo
limbis has yet to reach those proliferating heights but it might be close

[stoic fjord]

heights...

were they... wuthering.....

[cosmic gorge]

yes

[cosmic gorge]

the smoke war

[stoic fjord]

hrm

middle ishmael seems

significantly worse at UT3

however

I think serviceable enough to go into MDE with Middle Sinclair for funsies

[ebon forge]

but my personal favorites are:

John, The Bible

James Holden playing Don Quixote

from The Expanse

alternatively, Chrisjen Avasarala from The Expanse as well

[cosmic gorge]

trying to think of a borges person for this

Asterion...

Asterion/Johnny Truant

multi-book track drifting

[worthy haven]

I am playing a Lord of the Flies inspired limbus character in our limbus pathfinder game

[faint pivot]

Good shit, thank you for the meal

[cosmic gorge]

Asterion from the Borges short story "The House of Asterion" and Johnny/Jenny (we pmooning this with a genderbend) Truant from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4VJGNNSQnw of leaves

fuck how do i do this again

[cosmic gorge]

some kind of Backstreets enhancement tattoo artist who gets roped into becoming an assassin by Ring fauvists who end up trapping her in a Corridor and siccing "art materials" for her to kill

the Ring heard about how the Library did its thing and thought it was cool to subject random City people to a rigged game where they die in the end, with Asteria as the axe

[keen palm]

I feel like Blade Lineage girl is getting Leviathan

Appropro of nothing

[atomic steeple]

Fauvist rodya and greg
https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1ske15v/a_comic_where_gregor_keeps_peeking_at_ring_finger/

[stoic fjord]

Aeng-du?

[keen palm]

Ya

[cosmic gorge]

would mean some Fun interactions with Kira

[stoic fjord]

Lævateinn... that would be kinda cool on her yeah

[keen palm]

Her having an entire scene of set up about her and swords with Matthias

Feels like its culminate in that

[stoic fjord]

||random-ass syndicate member who lost both her arms has more affinity for the relic than the Great Brother of the Middle who killed other Middle members for it|| would also be funny as shit

though also the level of fraudposting it would ignite would be unprecedented

which... tbh I don't care if the man gets fraudposted even more it's not getting old for me yet

[faint pivot]

The red eyes are simply combat augs

[faint pivot]

Oh

Mb, misinterpreted you

[keen palm]

I meant symbolically

[faint pivot]

Yeye I'm catching up

[stoic fjord]

I'm coping on Middle Outis being a better person than the person her ID is based on

please....

[cosmic gorge]

usually sinner Ids arent 1:1 of their counterparts

[faint pivot]

Hermes fucking up is an underrated concept

[cosmic gorge]

so lets see if shes better worse or a sidegrade

[stoic fjord]

right but Yi Sang might genuinely be worse

[fluid whale]

I'm literally working on that, have had it on the back burner for months, classic movie characters

[cosmic gorge]

maybe shes less ||neglectful dad|| and more ||clueless (tragically) dad||

[faint pivot]

It could be that Rien does these things too and he just didn't have a reason to tell us

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah fair

[faint pivot]

Like how T Outie gave us lore deets on T Corp

[stoic fjord]

true...

[cosmic gorge]

the kind of ||dad who is too busy to be emotionally available for her child||

[faint pivot]

What did I just watch

[cosmic gorge]

the ||not now, have some candy i bought, sort of parent||
versus the ||here's unregulated access to the internet on this phone, then posts about how cool of a parent they are, sort of parent||

[stoic fjord]

that does feel more like Outis I think

[faint pivot]

N Faust would've clashed for more and gave more SP

[stoic fjord]

N Meursault would have tolerable numbers

[faint pivot]

NMeur would be a proper tank with Aggro

[cosmic gorge]

fitting for odysseus sort of?
absent, but not by choice (you can change "20 years at sea" to "late payless overtime shift at work")
tries to make up for that absence with material displays of affection

[stoic fjord]

mhm

neglectful instead of neglectful asshole

still not good but like

man

2 MDE runs

still none of the new secret bosses

please just give me the funny middle book that gives ishmael 9000 shield

[faint pivot]

Huh

How'd you go at it so fast damn

[stoic fjord]

I mean since the update dropped

not like

[faint pivot]

Oh ok lmao

[stoic fjord]

of my 2 middle goons

[faint pivot]

My first MDE I got ||Callisto & Albina|| B)

They hurt!

And I had no bleed

But I'm taking the power so good enough lmao

[stoic fjord]

waiting for THE KAISER as an MDE boss

[cosmic gorge]

the two times i encountered the secret bosses they were run enders for i
specifically because i didnt want to keep retrying them (fpoon mfer and shitdad and his gen alpha daughter)

[faint pivot]

There being even fucking more is insane

How in the world was so much crammed into something so little

[stoic fjord]

no it's not in

yet

I'm just saying like

[faint pivot]

No no like

I'm talking about

It being

THE FIRST

layer

[stoic fjord]

ohhhhhh yeah

crazy shit

[faint pivot]

It being one of many would've been fine but it's THE FIRST ONE

[cosmic gorge]

🪳 🫳 🗒️

[fickle crown]

Bro is not eating tonight

Level 86 and he still can't fight this depressed German

[faint pivot]

Holy shit

Did not realize T.B. was that levelled

[fickle crown]

TB?

Oh textbook

[faint pivot]

Textbook

[fickle crown]

No I'm on floor 6 that's why lmao

[faint pivot]

Oh lmao

[fickle crown]

Lucio still can't put up with the shenanigans though

I charmed his ass and Gregor got the free coin power up to beat him to a pulp

[split beacon]

That’s kind of my read

[fickle crown]

Ardor Blossom Moth was actually the scarier part of this fight ngl

[split beacon]

Outis is, overall, a much more disciplined and grown person than Matt

[fickle crown]

She still isn't fighting the backstabber allegations though

[split beacon]

It would be weird for her to be a woman child but painfully likely for her to be distant and clueless about her kid’s emotional needs while tending tirelessly and constantly to their well-being in every other sense

[cosmic gorge]

very military dad

[split beacon]

A great mentor and supervisor but an awful mom

[cosmic gorge]

well, disciplined dad dad

[fickle crown]

Ehhh

I don't think she trained Kiramael all that well either

Renclair just states she comes back with a load of stuff to dump on her lap and that's about it

[split beacon]

Mmm, yeah

Overestimating her autonomy

[fickle crown]

Outis strikes me more as the kind of "always away" parent

[split beacon]

Pretty normal for Outis

[stoic fjord]

mhm

[fickle crown]

Never making time for Kiramael, coming back with gifts but no real emotional connection to her apprentice/child

Constantly out but never in the house for long

[split beacon]

Called shot

She’s the type who doesn’t understand that if you’re away all day providing for the family and working your ass off for their abstract benefit

You’re still a failure of a parent if you aren’t there when your kids need you

[fickle crown]

Yeah, Kiramael just traded one form of neglect for another

Matthias just didn't fucking care, Mathoutis simply doesn't understand she isn't actually fulfilling her kid's emotional needs

[split beacon]

Outis is also uh

[cosmic gorge]

now im wondering how valenciarodya differs from base valencia

[split beacon]

Implicitly a literally absent parent

So

[fickle crown]

Outis and Ryoshu bonding over child neglect on the bingo card

Realistically though, Ryoshu would fucking kill Outis if she were to find out about that sort of thing

[split beacon]

I mean there’s a reason it was ||Outis and Meursault in the Ryoshu brain explosion chamber ||

[fickle crown]

It's actually funny, all three have people they left behind

||Meursault his girlfriend, Ryoshu her child, and Outis her family||

[split beacon]

||Meursault would give up his arm for his mom back, and Outis is a professional child neglecter watching a promising amateur at work||

[fickle crown]

||Tbf though, it's pretty clear Ryoshu hadn't intended for things to go sideways like that, just a badly thought out plan and an unconsidered factor that really got things going in the wrong direction||

[split beacon]

Absolutely

||Casual child abandonment vs ranked competitive child abandonment ||

[fickle crown]

Nah, the difference is the intent

[split beacon]

It’s a jest

[fickle crown]

||Ryoshu at least bothered to try coming back with the milk after crossing cigarettes off the list||

[split beacon]

GOD

||It really is much darker looking back at Ryoshu’s sudden mom moments when you know that it’s not because she’s Just Like That, it’s because she was fucking mistreated as a child and takes it as her personal business to be there for kids whenever she can||

[cosmic gorge]

again this is why butler ryo is tragic

[stoic fjord]

||besides Crayon and Spring Cultivation, what other moments are there?||

[gentle mulch]

AGAIN WHY BUTLER RYO IS SO FUCKING TRAGIC

[stoic fjord]

Butler Ryo...

dude.

[cosmic gorge]

||failed to save another child||

[split beacon]

It’s almost as dark as the constant, relentless reminders that Rodion considers it a moral prerogative to make sure people are fed, rested, and sheltered

[stoic fjord]

||the fact Wildhunt Heathcliff understands SANGRIA. fuck. fuck. fuck.||

[gentle mulch]

||Post Canto Hindsight||

||AHHHHHHH THE WAY SHE GETS SO PISSED OFF AT PEOPLE USING THE WORD FAMILY CASUALLY||

[stoic fjord]

||like. he was genuinely her son in all but blood, I think. and the fact we know she doesn't like to call people family without deep, deep reason.... fuuuuuuckkk...||

[gentle mulch]

||RYOSHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU||

[split beacon]

||I mean also the fact that every Ryoshu ID now has the subtext that any faction she joins, she’s planning to recruit on her quest to recover Araya, so she had every intention of taking Araya to live at Wuthering Heights after steamrolling the Nursefathers with the Butler Death Squad||

[stoic fjord]

fuck

I need to start writing good AU fanfictions now

[split beacon]

Like, easy ass AU prompt

[gentle mulch]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

AHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

RYOSHUUUUUU

YOURE MY FAVORITE

[split beacon]

||”Ryoshu convinces Wildcliff that he needs to annihilate the House of Spiders”||

[gentle mulch]

||CANTO THAT MAKES YOU WANT TO FORGIVE YOUR MOTHER||

[split beacon]

Also it just makes Ryoshu and Sinclair’s relationship so goddamn peak that Sinclair isnt a substitute or a surrogate child

[stoic fjord]

||Ryoshu, Wildhunt Heathcliff and his Entire Wildhunt, and the butlers raiding the house of spiders... it'd be so peak...||

[split beacon]

Like

Can you imagine what it did to Ryoshu’s brain that Sinclair just showed up in her life apropos of nothing and said “nah I understand the SANGRIAs”

Holy fuck

[fickle crown]

||This makes me think Valencion did actually take pity on Heathio and the relationship is more hot and cold than constantly hot given Rodion is implied to have some sort of bipolar disorder||

[split beacon]

Little man promoted himself to ||Ryoshu’s oldest child|| by birthright

She was not consulted

[stoic fjord]

||"I must take care of this little swiss boy as if he were my own flesh and blood."||

probably more accurately, ||"I must take care of this L.S.B as if he were my O.F & B."||

I'm not good at sangria

[atomic steeple]

W corp ryoshu: ||Guys the wing will fall anyway. Lets jump my family and squat in the corridor house||
W don, vibrating in excitement

[split beacon]

||Araya and her adopted brothers Heathcliff and Sinclair is so funny||

[fickle crown]

||But yeah, realizing that a bipolar Valencina ID is probably even worse than a constantly abusive one given Valencion probably forces Heathcliff to take care of her during her depressive episodes||

[split beacon]

Hey speaking of the House of Spiders and abused children

I’m imagining what Heathcliff was experiencing during that one bossfight

Not the potential fight

[atomic steeple]

R corp ryoshu: FUCK YEAH. ||Guys lets invade my family and wipe them out. They can't beat a|| PMC

[split beacon]

They could in fact

[stoic fjord]

wait

this genuinely works in the Wuthering Heights mirror world

Sinclair is one of the newbie butlers

[split beacon]

That’s why I said it

[atomic steeple]

Yeah they could
Poor ryoshu

[stoic fjord]

prepared to make 60 trillion happy ending AU fics

[fickle crown]

Also that reminds me, Renclair is at least proof that Ren definitely didn't have it any better than his compatriots

In fact dude just

Didn't have anything to fucking do

[split beacon]

||Rien watching Ryoshu fully corrode into her Red Ryes EGO Gear: “Ah. That’s probably not good.”||

[stoic fjord]

||despite the fact that it simply is not actually possible the idea of Lob Corp HQ Ryoshu rolling up to the HoS with like, at least 5 other sinners suited up in ALEPH gear is funny as fuck to me||

[cosmic gorge]

Ren i think has that struggle of being ||a surrogate caretaker to a child/neglected teenager/bitter old woman all in one||

[split beacon]

Local ragebaiter found eaten alive
“He probably fucking deserved it” says drunken roommate

[cosmic gorge]

dutiful child who must care for their family bc of obligation

[stoic fjord]

okay hold on ||Ren as the older sibling who has to grow up too fast due to their circumstances is a crazy good read I think||

[fickle crown]

||Possibly, but I also think that Araya did just leave him with nothing to do a lot of the time. No time to really develop or be his own person, he just ended up being another extension of her||

[split beacon]

Yeah he’s the parentified kid

[fickle crown]

I feel bad for Ren ngl

[split beacon]

Ren had it really bad and it was hardly anyone’s fault so much as the circumstances being truly shit awful

[fickle crown]

I get people complain about his lack of characterization but I genuinely think that it just adds to the tragedy of what he could've been

[stoic fjord]

mhm

like, that's kind of the point. he never got the opportunity to become anyone for himself

[split beacon]

I mean

He’s paralleled to a pet monkey.

I feel like that says everything

He had no freedom, no chance to develop as a person, nothing to hold onto except the scraps of possibility that someday he might get to be a person if he works hard at mastering his sword

[stoic fjord]

the apprentices make me sad

[split beacon]

Sinclair IDs are defined by duality, transformation, and development of another side of himself and Renclair is clearly playing on this by showing us how Ren had no chance to ever do that

He can never hatch from the egg, become anything than he is now, achieve the metamorphosis he longs for

[cosmic gorge]

and he has a shitty haircut

[split beacon]

Ren wants to be something else than this and there’s just no chance it’ll ever happen for him

Also his hair sucks.

[stoic fjord]

stop hitting him while he's down 😭

[fickle crown]

I bet Mathoutis was the one that was allowed to give him that cut

[stoic fjord]

Matthias was probably responsible for young Ryoshu's cut

[split beacon]

A lot of Sinclair IDs play on who Sinclair is by having him metamorphose into something scary or wrong, bringing that repressed rage to the surface

But it’s far worse for him to never transform at all and be trapped half-finished

[cosmic gorge]

whats thumb sinclair supposed to be in this analysis

can he still hatch?

[split beacon]

I mean Thumbclair is a successful molt for sure no

He prides himself on having become a model Thumb soldato and how he’s better this way than who he was before

[faint pivot]

He is hatching into something terrible

[fickle crown]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if the only reason Matthias wasn't allowed to get at Lucio and Albina was because well... Valencina probably gets all territorial with her textbook and like... What the fuck do you do with Albina, there's nothing to actually style because she's wearing a wig basically. Sora is just... Nah, you're not taming whatever is wrong with that girl's hair and I'm sure Rien tried

[split beacon]

It’s a little tragic because he’s accepted limitations on who he can be by the nature of what the Thumb is and he’s on his way to molt again into a truly spectacular, awful Capo

[fickle crown]

Imo I feel like it's less of a hatching and more of a crushing

[split beacon]

But at least he got to do it

[fickle crown]

There is no self discovery, no catharsis

He's neatly crushed and rearranged to suit the Thumb

[faint pivot]

He's embracing the Thumb

[stoic fjord]

Sottocapo Sinclair would be fucking horrifying I think. I would not want to cross that motherfucker ever. I don't care if he's like, 5' 5" I've seen what that white boy can do

[cosmic gorge]

middleclair is hatching just fine i think

at least

[split beacon]

See I think that’s sorta naive, a lot of Sinclair IDs have him evolving in a way that’s uncathartic or unreflective but like

That’s sort of the City in a nutshell

[stoic fjord]

yeah

[split beacon]

It would be a miracle if he actually did achieve a cathartic, fully positive transformation

[faint pivot]

The City feeds itself yeah

[stoic fjord]

that's gonna be us

trust

[cosmic gorge]

ACS i'll argue isn't a cathartic positive transformation

[stoic fjord]

yeah

[split beacon]

It isn’t

[stoic fjord]

absolutely not

[faint pivot]

Same

[cosmic gorge]

because hes still a violent anti-prosthetic mfer in that one

molded by war

[stoic fjord]

also given what he's said

it's like

there is no further change or development for him, even ignoring the possible erasure

[split beacon]

But like, that’s the progression you know, we’ll see better and more perfect molts of that child over time as IDs become more actualized

[faint pivot]

Hm, I gotta wonder how awkward it'd be for him to look at Albinaust

[fickle crown]

I know, but I'd also argue that at least with Thumbclair, he kinda died in the shell with the Thumb given the (again) crushing nature of that particular finger

[faint pivot]

After tearing the OG to shreds

[split beacon]

A little, but you lose something when you evolve, that’s the nature of it

You can’t go back to the pluripotent perspective you had but you gain new ones

That’s why it’s primordial man that has all potentials, not a highly evolved, perfected one

[fickle crown]

Like I more view his progression with the Thumb as a form of stunting than it is a form of growth because he's learned to conform and nothing else

[faint pivot]

He's learned to love the violence at least

[split beacon]

I know I’m kinda playing off you here to espouse my Adam Kadmon thing rather than having an argument that Thumbclair hasn’t had who he can he severely constrained by that evolution

[faint pivot]

And Thumbers besides Lei Heng aren't known for that

[fickle crown]

There is that one Capo

I uhhh

Forgot his name

[split beacon]

Kalo?

[fickle crown]

Long haired fella

[stoic fjord]

Denis?

[fickle crown]

He seems to enjoy that shit

[stoic fjord]

Denis yeah

[split beacon]

Oh yeah Denis is fucking down with it

[stoic fjord]

the one who's gleeful while lighting you the fuck up

[fickle crown]

Boris is also overtly enthusiastic

He's actually quite happy to cave your chest in

[stoic fjord]

I think it's actually that the thumb revels in violence

[faint pivot]

Oh right Ruina

[stoic fjord]

they're just not allowed to show it

for purposes of their focus on decorum

[split beacon]

Also looping around, I think a higher ranking Thumbclair who’s fully adjusted to that life and revelling in cruelty would be uh

[stoic fjord]

violation of said decorum is just an easy way to indulge in that violence

[faint pivot]

...is there a finger that doesn't, actually?

[split beacon]

I mean you know Fiveclair

[faint pivot]

The Index have Rien

And the Ring's the Ring

[stoic fjord]

Pinky we have not enough info on

[split beacon]

Imagine that but if he flies into a murder trance everyone just goes “nah he’s the boss that’s his right”

[fickle crown]

Imo the Pinky is a mixed bag

[stoic fjord]

...fiveclair?

[fickle crown]

Because every star has their differing philosophies

[split beacon]

I can’t remember the name

Cinqclair

[fickle crown]

Yeah

[split beacon]

That’s the one

[fickle crown]

He's not even aware until after he sticks his rapier through a dude's head

[faint pivot]

Cinqlair

[fickle crown]

Then he wonders why everyone else in his section is fucking terrified of him

[split beacon]

Yeah imagine that tier of wanton bloodlust but attached to a Thumb Capo who everyone encourages to be that murderous (against the socially appropriate people)

[stoic fjord]

Oh yeah bro genuinely goes into the fucking murder trance

He genuinely kills someone with his first attack without even like. Trying. And it's just.

[fickle crown]

It's a little ironic how the Thumb and Middle are so close yet so far from each other

[split beacon]

Middleclair is so funny he’s just like “no dude we’re straight up killing you”

[stoic fjord]

Sottocapo Sinclair in Canto 12

Trust

[split beacon]

He’s not even like

Having fun with it

It’s pure cathartic actualization of his pent up rage

[fickle crown]

It would be so funny if we got a Denis Sinclair post Canto 10 Walpipi to make up for us never getting full stop Sinclair

[stoic fjord]

I forgot that uhhh

In Middle Sinclair's uptie story

They mention promotion to "Young Brother"

Which. I don't know if that's been mentioned anywhere else

Wonder why that is

[split beacon]

Anyways

[unique bane]

Eh
Carmen says that his hatching will probably cause a huge problem for him and that the chains of the middle will hold him back

[split beacon]

I think the next Finger Sinclair is Ring Sinclair and it’s gonna be him going like

“Even as a child I understood there was something repellent about replacing the human form with ugly prosthetics. As a child, of course, my insight went unnoticed… until my Maestro saw I had an eye for aesthetics…”

[stoic fjord]

Having just re-read it... nnnot quite?

[cosmic gorge]

which art movement for the angry little swiss boy

[split beacon]

Suprematist Docent Sinclair

[fickle crown]

Dear god

[split beacon]

The purity of shapes and forms, the appreciation of art qua art rather than the ugliness of representation for representation’s sake

[fickle crown]

No little German boy! Don't go into the purity movement!

[split beacon]

I’m imagining Sinclair in his crisp Ring white suit with carefully stenciled out geometric stains on it

A really good haircut obviously

Plain chrome steel weaponry with clearly visible, easily seen silhouette

[fickle crown]

Imagine how fucking disgusted he must be when he has to meet Fauvist Rodion

I feel like the Ring is the most prone to infighting tbh

Everyone is trying to make their pitch with their art movements

[split beacon]

“Other Ring movements try to capture the essence of art in representation, grasping at vulgar symbols, hideous replacements for the joy of creating something moving in and of itself. That’s why they’re so much lesser in artistry. True art… is a feeling, not a picture.”

[gentle mulch]

ring sinclair that gets ragebaited hard in movement arguments

oh my god i realized this week is intervallo week