Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[stoic fjord]

iirc Yearning Mircallia is good

[atomic steeple]

I grabbed ca ryoshu cause the overclock gives count
Then proceded to never use it for tgat lol
Anyway it likes lust resonance, which bleed team provides, and lust fragility, which lust team can have with prince meur. Its awakening is a good aoe
Its passive helps with sin resources

Since I lack ringsang, I use Contempt Awe to get gloom to fuel chains of others

[mystic ermine]

hm...

does anyone know of a third ID which is burn tremor?

I'm trying to get a tremor burn team up and ah
it's
not looking too hot

[bronze zephyr]

we'll be getting val and lucio sometime soon surely

[faint pivot]

Yeah we only have the Thumbs for Burnmor

[main scaffold]

Err... which one?

Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) iirc Yearning Mircallia is good

[ebon forge]

S5 (i believe) season pass BP

Don Season

[bronze zephyr]

they mean Meursault's or Don's

[main scaffold]

There are two Mircallias 😅

[bronze zephyr]

iirc both are good

[ebon forge]

S5

both are good

Don's is better

[main scaffold]

I see, I see

[ebon forge]

cuz its an aoe and manager don's sig

[main scaffold]

Is it still good without bloodfiends?

[ebon forge]

it's a bloodfeast EGO

[main scaffold]

So no

[atomic steeple]

Yeah, very tied to bloodfiends, both mircallas

[main scaffold]

Meursault’s seems like a general bleed thing more than a bloodfiend thing

[atomic steeple]

Now let's await the ring ego

[stoic fjord]

I have to wait until 11 PM to do MD

[faint pivot]

Wait I thought maint was in 4 hours?

Oh

You mean the reset

I mean you can do one now and claim it later

[stoic fjord]

no I mean the MD thing is closed rn

[faint pivot]

Ah?

AH

RIGHT

TIS AN MDE UPDATE

[stoic fjord]

like, MD went under maintainence early because it's getting a bigger update

[atomic steeple]

I just waiting for sharding
Can grab faust, need one more md to get shards for hong lu

Then I gotta build up shards for bad end ryoshu and the fauvists

[bronze zephyr]

I have so many Rodya shards by chance, like 330 or sm

[cosmic gorge]

Faubina soon...

(sharding)

[bronze zephyr]

ooh real

i pulled sdlfksdfsd

broke my walp only rule for her

[faint pivot]

That's good cause we're simingly getting a lot of Rodya this season

At least 2

[bronze zephyr]

yeh

[dusty sigil]

Huh

It’s been pointed out to me that Ren’s katana is actually reversed from normal

The blade is on the side that curves inward

[bronze zephyr]

oh huh

[cosmic gorge]

what is this samurai x shit monkey dude

[dusty sigil]

Apparently it’s a real thing

Just kinda uncommon

[keen palm]

Ruroni Kenshin ass

[atomic steeple]

Seeing people in the sub speculated about the moment jumsoon turned into schadenfraude, and realizing none of them read distortion detective

[cloud wadi]

It’s also an odachi

[ebon forge]

What’s going on with DD and schaden?

[cloud wadi]

Not a katana

[cosmic gorge]

wait deadass

ren is carrying a greatsword?

[atomic steeple]

DD explicitly mentions distortions can worsen and become abnormalities

[cloud wadi]

It’s about as tall as he is yes as

[cosmic gorge]

im sorry monkey dude i didnt know your game 🙏

[cloud wadi]

And it’s pointed out by Ryoshu that using a iaijutsu technique with such a weapon makes no sense whatsoever

[atomic steeple]

SO they are speculating whether this is like the binah method of making abnos and a distortion can collapse from teh sense of self into the colletive beings of abnormalities

without knowing DD confirms that

[cosmic gorge]

fascinatin

you lose your individual freakyself and become an archetypal creature

imagine distorting into something and then that something turns into Queen of Hatred

[ebon forge]

Ahhhh lol

[atomic steeple]

Me becoming nothing there or dream of a black swan

or laetitia

[cosmic gorge]

hmm
between that and valencia's aoe sword techniques with a dueling sword and mattias having an locked sword
how fucked are the sword techniques of the HoS

[atomic steeple]

you know, I could see lob corp ryoshu dual wielding mimicry and black swan

[keen palm]

Ren: "Yeah but check this shit" shoots a slash out 20 feet

[atomic steeple]

For the gebura parallels, and because black swan would fit her and araya

[keen palm]

Love how little explaination that gets actually

Ren can just Judgement cut, fuck you

[cosmic gorge]

sometimes an explanation isnt needed

because there is no need
the setting has people who can just DMC you

Kali is the Strongest bc fuck you she just is

[atomic steeple]

Purple tear can cut dimensions

[keen palm]

I wonder if Heath can do the same thing

Like that's the reveal with the Erlking

[faint pivot]

Erlking has to use IDs to dimension hop

[keen palm]

is that Heath also can just do Iori's bullshit

[keen palm]

He doesn't

He just did it with our dimension

[faint pivot]

What was the dough for

[keen palm]

he also, inexplicably, was able to kill hundreds of other Heathcliffs on his own

without N-Corp

[faint pivot]

Que

[faint pivot]

This tidbit I do not recall

I only remember that yes this isn't his first hunt

[keen palm]

He talks about travelling to hundreds if not thousands of other mirror worlds

[faint pivot]

I know about that

[keen palm]

Yes

[faint pivot]

Was this in his first fight as Linton's sister

[keen palm]

and it's never explained how and it is most definitely not through N Corp or Ring technology

[cosmic gorge]

now the question is

does he do the ID imposition thing each time he enters a world to murder himself

or was canto 6 a special case

[faint pivot]

most definitely not through N Corp or Ring technology
This is what I'm unsure of the source

I'm asking the same question as Thyme

[keen palm]

Wild Hunt Heathcliff is him doing it on his own

[faint pivot]

Cause I remembered it to be the former

[cosmic gorge]

theyre both pretty purple so....

[stoic fjord]

nnno, Wild Hunt is Erlking but without any movement to other mirror worlds, iirc

though also yeah the Erlking did seem to do that pre-connection

[stoic fjord]

Heathcliff is Iori's lost... was it grandson?

[keen palm]

So like, unless we assume a lot of very convoluted mirror world frog hopping where in every dimension Heathcliff makes contact with someone who summons him like a demon

We kinda just might have to guess he is able to do that

[stoic fjord]

we don't know anything about his origins

we know nothing of who Iori is trying to find

trust me on this

it'll happen

[cosmic gorge]

who knows maybe each Sin has an apotheosis power related to their symbolism

and Envy's is dimension hopping bc fuck the one you're in you got the multiverse grab as many flowers as you can

[stoic fjord]

it's why Dante was attacked by Lion, Wolf, and Mongoose

[keen palm]

Heath also stands out as he is the ONLY Envy-themed Sinner

[stoic fjord]

it's because Iori knows the LCB has Heath

[keen palm]

out of the full roster

[stoic fjord]

trust

[atomic steeple]

Man, I really thought we would get a spider bud aberration this canto

[stoic fjord]

yeah, we have dupes of pride, lust, sloth, and gloom, but no other envy base E.G.O

[atomic steeple]

Sloth: fuck time

[cosmic gorge]

welll
its possible that does happen
but for Catherines, at least

but yea we don't Know

so its all speculus

[stoic fjord]

oh Sinclair is also the only Gluttony base E.G.o

[stoic fjord]

Heath is Iori's grandson is the crack theory I'm holding onto for now because it's funny

[cosmic gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/easy-plus-foodie-delicious-homemade-foodiegram-gif-22909199

[faint pivot]

I feel like assuming this is simpler than it would be to assume Erlking can dimension hop while not doing it for ours

[eternal berry]

Isn't there the implication Hermann-through-Nelly made the Erlking aware of Mirror Worlds

[stoic fjord]

ahhhhh okay yeah nvm probably was all ID stuff then

to some extent

started getting too Game Theory

[cosmic gorge]

Sloth: Fuck Time
Envy: Multiverse Fatigue? Never
Pride:
Gluttony:
Gloom:
Wrath: Idk being the Strongest maybe
Lust:

[keen palm]

Well the Wild Hunt is him and it seems like the only actual power invested into him is the immortality via IDs

[atomic steeple]

Interesting yi sang is sloth/gloom
Considering a big part of his backstory was feeling lesser to an alternate version of himself

[keen palm]

Wild Hunt Heath, the playable ID, also killed himself in other mirror worlds before attacking the Manor

https://i.imgur.com/1euMw6K.png

[stoic fjord]

...wait, he did?

oh shit he did

[atomic steeple]

Note that envy also has an association with body puppets
The abno that gives telepole
In distortion detective, the human lightning bolt could raise bodies

[stoic fjord]

also the symbolism of binding chains

[atomic steeple]

He met and saw his slternate sepves

But meeting could mean just contacting his mirrors selves instead of entering their worlds

I think the bigger evidence of dimensional powers for heathcliff

Is the sword

The dimensional sword he wields

Apparently made of universe shards

[keen palm]

Which seems to be his Ego

https://i.imgur.com/mIz6fSf.png

[faint pivot]

Wdym

[eternal berry]

The whole "the day I met and observed my countless selves across the endless worlds" sounds like the same inciting incident with Nelly using the Mirror to show Catherine and (presumably?) Erlking Heathcliff their alternate selves we get hints of in Canto 6, or at the very least that doesn't rule out that he somehow gained access to a Mirror

[faint pivot]

Also

Huntcliff doesn't want to kill his other selves

His final goal is to raze the manor of his world

[keen palm]

Like we see that him being a necromancer seems to be a natural power of his own

in other mirror worlds

[faint pivot]

That's not his only power?

[keen palm]

And that the only thing that seems to be given to him by the Ring is increased general strength and the immortality to resurrect if he dies

[faint pivot]

We forgetting the sin shields that come from nowhere?

[keen palm]

That's not my point

I'm saying that like

all the weird shit he does is seemingly a thing he can just do

other than dying, which is explicitly part of the Ring experiment

[atomic steeple]

Our heath's ego is bodysack
It leans more corpse than dimension

[faint pivot]

It's also a Zayin

And tbh I'm dubious on that being anything substantial since Spicebush exists

(Different people having different EGOs, yet the same sinner can use the same base EGO)

[gentle mulch]

literally why the fuck could erlking heath do all that lmao

[atomic steeple]

Just arguing that necromancy could also be an ego thing

He's very mysterious

[faint pivot]

Still struggling to find the bit you got this notion from

He talks about travelling to hundreds if not thousands of other mirror worlds
and it's never explained how and it is most definitely not through N Corp or Ring technology

[atomic steeple]

Really, most ghost stuff in the manor was also related to dimensional stuff

[faint pivot]

Like yeah his arsenal in combat is weird af

[atomic steeple]

Cathy haunting the manor

[fickle crown]

Yi Sang has conceived

[faint pivot]

But if he could vault dimensions like Iori...why didn't he do it again?

[atomic steeple]

The mistress josephine speaks of could be a dimensional echo of cathy

[faint pivot]

He's clearly smart enough to cooperate and weave his way through to his goals

[faint pivot]

I recall Cathy, in memoir form, mentioning that to be her mom, gimme a bit

[keen palm]

What notion?

That he killed alternative versions of himself?

[faint pivot]

Him being capable of vaulting to other worlds without N Corp or Ring help

Ala Iori

[fickle crown]

This is late but imo, that's because that sinner is still themself under that ID. On a surface level, they're someone different, but deeper down that's still the same person, just using the experiences and body of a different version of themself

[atomic steeple]

It's hard to know how much erlking's powers were

• His unknown origin
• Ego
• Exposure to powers of the river underneath the mansion

[fickle crown]

Like it's stated somewhere iirc that the IDs sometimes leach into the sinners but they're still (overall) in control of themselves regardless of this bleed-in effect

It's why Kraust doesn't just turn around and fucking impale Dante

[keen palm]

Well right now we don't actually have proof of N Corp summoning him into the world in the first place, there's no examples of anyone crossing over physically from one Mirror World to another except Iori, and the exact mechanics of how he did so are left entirely unexplained

[lean fjord]

the IDs also have a sort of compulsion to still cooperate with Dante
that's why all the N Corp Ids think they're just wearing a mask

[keen palm]

Because remember Heath showed up before they got the bough all set up

[fickle crown]

The most N-Corp did was create the catalyst for his resummoning yeah

[atomic steeple]

Our heathcliff hasn't really shown abilities like his alternate yet

[keen palm]

Yet, yeah

[fickle crown]

There is a crackpot theory he displayed his necromancy in the nocturnal sweeping intervallo but honestly, I think he just had an ibuprofen moment when he didn't realize there was a sword in his head

[faint pivot]

Yeah but was this not through Nelly getting access to Mirror tech

[atomic steeple]

Maybe erlking needs more time and effort to enter a dimension without being summoned

[keen palm]

Maybe! Maybe not! I don't think it's ever actually explained

But like, we just know he showed up one day

[gentle mulch]

it'd be so fuckign funny if heathcliff just casually has necromancy powers

like so so so so so hilarious

[fickle crown]

Also Lord Lu is another disturbing example of an ID that's aware of the multitude of mirror worlds out there

In fact, he even comments on the different versions of his siblings in his canto

[atomic steeple]

It could give further motivation to cooperate with the ring's scheme
Besides being told cathy wants this

[fickle crown]

Also while I don't think it's explicitly stated, I'm 90% sure Lord Lu is an EGOtist

[keen palm]

He explicitly isn't

Which is why he's kidnapping EGO users

[keen palm]

So he can learn more about it

[fickle crown]

Ah, interesting

Ok, my bad then

I did think that at first given his weapon seems to match LCB Hong's base EGO on top of him having a few weirdly unexplainable issues

[atomic steeple]

Okay, but she could have mixed up an alternate of herself with her mom

[eternal berry]

...again, I'm just going to point to:

Faust
Dante. Our foremost priority should be…

… finding out who it was that showed the Erlking Heathcliff about Heathcliffs and Catherines in every world. The one who opened his eyes to the Mirror Worlds.

And then Faust and the Sinners deduce that it was probably Nelly, who we learn Hermann gave a Mirror to later, and that she definitely did manipulate Catherine. I think that's pretty good reason to point to Nelly being responsible for the Erlking as well, according to Faust's hypothesis, and the easiest explanation is that he accesses Mirror Worlds through Nelly's setup somehow

[keen palm]

Well like

[eternal berry]

Don't ask be about exact details or if that means he needs Mirror Nellys to get him summoned in Mirror Worlds, idk

[keen palm]

did Nelly go into the Mirror World then?

[faint pivot]

You mean the ghosts are Mirror World Reflections?

[faint pivot]

She doesn't need to

They can communicate through the mirror

[atomic steeple]

Could be
It's what I thought when I played

[faint pivot]

The Erlking could've found Nelly and made a deal with her

[faint pivot]

I feel like someone so obsessed with their dead mistress would've recognized them

[cosmic gorge]

evil fairy core

[faint pivot]

And also, Josephine doesn't really comment on Cathy's resemblance

[fickle crown]

Admittedly this is probably a One Who Shall Grip situation but I still find the glaive matching to be a very odd detail

[atomic steeple]

Do you think josephine is a well adjusted woman who'd analyze a hazy figure rather than climb like crazy to the posdibility of her mistress being back?

[eternal berry]

It was Nelly who invited me to this manor!
She summoned me here, gave me information I needed to utterly destroy that fool Hindley.
Oh, and it was Nelly who introduced me to that girl, Isabella.

That's just textually what happened

[faint pivot]

Ah, danke, missed this

[atomic steeple]

This could be wrong, but was the impression I got playing it

[faint pivot]

Okay this is a very fair point LMAO

Going against your current master's word for the sake of your dead one is crazy business

(At least, that's how I interpret the scuffle we had with her in part 2)

[fickle crown]

But yeah, I'm off the mark but I still find the matching glaive to be weird, even if it is just because it's a Gripclair moment

[faint pivot]

Reading Outie's WH UT story

This may be an Outi thing but she seems pretty sane

[faint pivot]

EGOtists?

[keen palm]

ya

[cosmic gorge]

psychometry gear users or something like that

thats the word his uptie used

[faint pivot]

Where?

Does Psychoment = EGO?

[keen palm]

ya

[eternal berry]

Psychoment's the term for EGO yes

[bronze zephyr]

In DD yeah thats how it and distortion is referred to i think??

[lean fjord]

Psychoments is a term Yuria uses IIRC

[keen palm]

Also Sheep Don's uptie is her kidnapping an EGOtist for Hong Lu

[faint pivot]

Que, I wonder why I was told otherwise

[faint pivot]

That was a Psychoment user

[keen palm]

yes

which is an EGOtist

[eternal berry]

The Distortion Phenomenon is just referred to as such, including by Moses (under the general term of "distortion" for what she can uniquely perceive too)

[bronze zephyr]

m right

[keen palm]

Psychoment generally appears to be the term people unrelated to L-Corp use

[faint pivot]

Ah

HP Ampule versus K Serum, I see

[eternal berry]

Yeah, not everyone knows the L Corp terminology

[faint pivot]

Same with how Roland mistook Philip's EGO for workshop gear

[eternal berry]

Or even if they know that L Corp made EGO Gears, they might not know how these new things are linked to L Corp's tech

[cosmic gorge]

gotta say i like being a blue curtain person and analyzing sin spreads of Ids and how certain sins reflect certain id characterizations

[keen palm]

PJM is very dense for lore perverts

[stoic fjord]

real as fuck

[cosmic gorge]

say pervert in this context and im now thinking of zizek

what is he up to these days

googles

aw man

[keen palm]

whomst

[cosmic gorge]

slavoj zizek, slovenian marcist philosopher known for his Perverts Guide to Cinema/Ideology movies where he talks about dense theorist stuff in pop culture

bit of a milkshake duck since apparently hes got some ehh views re: gender and other things

[stoic fjord]

...milkshake duck?

[keen palm]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkshake_Duck

[stoic fjord]

ahhhhhhh

[bronze zephyr]

oh thank you wikipedia

[cosmic gorge]

anyhow

hong lord

glutmaxxed

richest fucking guy in hcorp as its bossman

flooded the canto 8 id roster with his heishou henchmen

has it all, wants even more

he has no wrath in his sin spread, no righteous anger
the emotion that describes what differenciates his reaction to Birdwatching was disgust

[stoic fjord]

hrm

so

our bad end IDs

have been...

potential path, them
mirror of another character
mirror of another character
mirror of another character
potential path
potential path
and, seemingly, we're coming up to another mirror

of course, the mirrors are still their own potential alternate paths

but

[keen palm]

Starting at Sinclair?

or starting at Gregor

[dusty sigil]

I assume starting at Sinclair

Since if you start at Gregor it’s mirror then alternative path

[bronze zephyr]

yeah only sinclair and don arent based on other characters i think

lord lu is still based on jia qiu

[stoic fjord]

sinclair

[stoic fjord]

wait

you're right

I'm stupid as fuck

3. potential
4. mirror
5. mirror
6. mirror
7. potential
   8, mirror
8. mirror (as far as we can tell)

10. mirror
11. potential
12. mirror

...if the pattern continues. if there is a pattern

[keen palm]

Well I think the thing is that like

Hong Lu is, attack wise, based on Jia Qiu

but represents nothing about his character

I also think 6 isn't a mirror if it's

him

like that's just him from another world

that's what every ID is

[unique bane]

i wish it was clearer what this is
cause it's not ego, or we'd be told that's what it is
i think i read a suggestion for what the wild hunt is that i liked but i don't remember it

[stoic fjord]

yeah, true, but also it is distinctly like the erlking

[keen palm]

Yeah but the Erlking is still Heathcliff

It's not another person

[stoic fjord]

yeah, true

I'm not gonna keep trying to find a pattern where there isn't one

I'm just

super curious as to what the next bad end IDs might be

(Meursault, Outis, Faust)

[dusty sigil]

I guess it’s meant to be a sorta reverse of Confucian ideals

But idk enough about Confucius to say

He’s like, evil confucius to Jia Qiu’s Confucius

[keen palm]

Well the weird thing is that Jia Qiu is already kinda reverse Confucius

it's weird

[dusty sigil]

Huh

[unique bane]

he's kinda confucian
certain things in his dialogue are direct references to sayings and beliefs attributed to confucious

[keen palm]

Confucius was already kinda evil lmao

[neat cedar]

Jia Qiu isn't evil or reverse confucius

he just is the guy

ever slightly more valorus but mainly from.the perspective that we were not direcrly innhis way

[unique bane]

like when he meets zilu faust that's taken from things the real confucious supposedly said to zilu
and the idea of the rectification of names, lord hung lu's stated goal in zilu faust's uptie, is a confucian idea

[neat cedar]

oh wait, we're talking Lord Lu

not Jia qiu specifically

I mean, I'd say Lord Lu is a good example of what Hong Lu would be like if he ever truly lost

[dusty sigil]

We’re talking about both

[neat cedar]

or even lacked that core trait

which is his kindness

[dusty sigil]

And how Lord Hong kinda, relates back to Jia Qiu

Since he’s a mirror of him but also doesn’t serve the same role as him in his mirror world and shares very few traits

[neat cedar]

i haven't looked into thr Lord Lu stuff too much so I can'y say a ton more on him

[dusty sigil]

"Evil must be mercilessly wrested from their roots(除惡務盡 斬草除根). The path I have chosen as the Lord of Hongyuan is a path unburdened by the need to seek understanding from others. Thus, Big brother - no, Jia Qiu, this dialogue has met an impasse."```

[faint pivot]

This is like saying Ahabmael is Ishmael, which, yeah that's Ishy, but not our Ishy mutated and twisted into something else, hence Madam distinguishing "potential" from "based on another character"

[dusty sigil]

Here’s lord hong’s responses to Jia Qiu for reference btw

Since this is the clearest example of where they differ

[faint pivot]

The path I have chosen as the Lord of Hongyuan is a path unburdened by the need to seek understanding from others.
Hm.

This is

Making me wonder if Hong Lord remembers his excursion into our world

Cause his uptie story says the opposite

[dusty sigil]

Though, I can think of a way that they parallel each other narratively

They’re both the returned sons of Hongyuan

[faint pivot]

The part by the end at least, where he turns down medical attention to prep for a wing war instead

[stoic fjord]

hong lord knowing about the mirror worlds makes me scared as shit for future relevance for him

[keen palm]

Yeah but Erlking and Wild Hunt are still Heathcliff who was raised in Wuthering Heights and who lost Cathy

[dusty sigil]

Come home with the leashes of Heishou to rip out the evil and shape it into a better future

[keen palm]

he's not meant to be like

Bob

[dusty sigil]

Just, through very different means

[stoic fjord]

I do NOT want to fight the Heishou Adepts at full power

I have had ENOUGH of Corp weapons bro

[faint pivot]

What exactly are you trying to say here? I sense a miscommunication

[stoic fjord]

take me home

[dusty sigil]

Lord Hong and Jia Qiu actually have a very similar arc until the ascendancy of Xichun/Ishmael

[faint pivot]

We haven't even seen the winners of the damned smoke war

[stoic fjord]

mhm

[dusty sigil]

Where Hong Lu slays her while Jia Qiu helps save her from the worm

[stoic fjord]

||Jia Qiu wanted to destroy the elders just as much as Hong Lord when he returned iirc||

||but it was Hong Lu's singular act of kindness that changed his outlook or smth||

[keen palm]

Like Ishmael is Ahab, but Heathcliff is still Heathcliff

even though Erlking isn't our Heathcliff, he's still Heathcliff

He isn't meant to be another character

[faint pivot]

Ahabmael is still Ishmael, Erlking and Huntcliff aren't our Heathcliff

[stoic fjord]

I see what you mean, yeah

but also I moreso just mean, "this ID is directly the final boss of the canto or similar"

or

okay sort of

in general that they're not just an alternate path forward, but someone we have seen and known

hence why I only listed Sinclair and Don Quixote as solely alt paths

[keen palm]

Technically this isn't even true then

[stoic fjord]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen palm]

since we did see that Gripclair canonically exists in the story as someone that Kromer saw

[stoic fjord]

I'm just yapping honestly

[faint pivot]

Sure ig

[faint pivot]

It's hard not to tbh

[neat cedar]

I mean, IDs in general are just potential outcomes

and in somecases

forced potential outcomes

as seen with Xiachun Ish

the technology is something we din't really understand the workings off by any measure

or what it actually is doing to the worlds we take these IDs from

[stoic fjord]

I just

really wanna know what Faust and Outis's seasonal highlight IDs could potentially be

if there's any real pattern to them

[neat cedar]

who knows

Genuinelt, with the way the story is going

i camnot hazard even the slightest guess

[stoic fjord]

real as fuck

[neat cedar]

like

if i were to taken even a mild awing

some aspect of Circe as an outis Seasonal feels possible

or if wr focus on her betrayal then

a eurolychus ID perhaps

[keen palm]

I feel like we will get an Outis who lost herself to the war entirely

[neat cedar]

potentially

but that doesn't quite feel right to me

[keen palm]

It depends on how her storyline goes

[neat cedar]

ye

[keen palm]

I think the only thing I think is going to happen

is we travel to Ithaca

and kill the suitors

[neat cedar]

rhe suitors is something i wonder about

becausw i def feel they have to change things up

[keen palm]

I really hope Penelope is a man and all the suitors are women

[neat cedar]

rather than making it a bunch of very angry dudes

[keen palm]

it would be so funny

[neat cedar]

lol

[keen palm]

they are still JUST as awful

[neat cedar]

Personally, i hope penelope stays a woman if she is still a person(which seems likely)

[bronze zephyr]

i want outis penelope yuri

[elder wigeon]

How Robo Heng was movin in canto 13

[neat cedar]

but i also wonder what in the City could equal a Kingdom

[cosmic gorge]

Wow
Jacked Dant

[neat cedar]

because Outis doesn't really.give the vibe of line

a member of Nest leadershi0

[cosmic gorge]

The kind of dant tumblr would go gaga over

[keen palm]

I Corp

imo

Ithaca Corp

[neat cedar]

Ye that is the obvious idea and feels the most likely

but i wonder if they'll go with it or do a curve ball

[dusty sigil]

Smh, this is how I know you’re a larper Morgana

It wasn’t Robo heng, it was Yuri revived on Lei Heng’s body

[keen palm]

The main odd thing is that Outis still has her hospital and desert theming

and the only hospital in the desert we know of is in the fucking Outskirts

[dusty sigil]

I feel like if she was related to the outskirts she woulda reacted more during miracle in district 23

[keen palm]

Most likely

[dusty sigil]

Outis can definitely lie and keep her cool well but like

She has tells

[keen palm]

But it makes sense with the idea that she got super lost

[dusty sigil]

Normally the camera panning to her as she says nothing

[dusty sigil]

Yah, if any sinner’s been before it must be here

Especially since she’s been sailing apparently

And the only large body of water in the city is the Great Lake

So she either sailed somewhere in the outskirts of one of the rivers in the ruins

[keen palm]

She definitely sailed the Great Lake

100%

she and Ishmael in unison recite the oath of the great lake

[dusty sigil]

Yah but like, there has to be an escalation from that

It’d be kinda lame if one of her big secrets is that she sailed the lake Ishmael’s entire backstory revolved around

I think it was one of the rivers of the ruins

[keen palm]

It's not a secret though, she bragged about doing it

[dusty sigil]

Since she knew the name Bari said

[dusty sigil]

Oh yah I more mean like, if the odyssey was just sailing the Great Lake

That’d be lame

Since Ishmael’s whole backstory already revolves around it

I feel like the odyssey equivalent in this game was more then the Great Lake

[keen palm]

Well I think in this case the Odyssey was her going all around the City

[dusty sigil]

I feel like she must’ve gone to the ruins though

[neat cedar]

We can't really say

[dusty sigil]

The city sucks ass to travel but it’s not really so impossible that it’d keep her away from her home for that long

[neat cedar]

we don't even know if she has stopped her odyssey

[dusty sigil]

Unless she went somewhere that she couldn’t leave as easily

[neat cedar]

The Bus could very easily be that

[dusty sigil]

Her EGO line is “the odyssey had a purpose”

So like

She’s probably done?

[neat cedar]

Maybe

but again, amybe she only thinks that

Just because she thinks she's done doesn't mean she actually is

[dusty sigil]

Fair yah

[stoic fjord]

same

[stoic fjord]

robo heng is a wider community thing but here we are Yuri Heng believers

[dusty sigil]

In this house we believe N Corp is reviving Yuri because mentally tormenting Gregor is really funny

[stoic fjord]

genuinely my theory is that like

it's somehow going to relate to continuing to unwrap the gift

[cosmic gorge]

The Bus is Calypso's island and Dant is her Calypso
Trust

[dusty sigil]

His first unwrapping came when his memories of the smoke war were surfaced again through Valencina

So, maybe his memories of the bus?

[cosmic gorge]

Speaking of greg and his mom

I like the theory that her arms are Fucked

[dusty sigil]

We’ve never seen them!

I’d be shocked if they were normal at this point

Like, if it was just her sprite that’s fine

That’s whatever

But in every CG Hermann is in her arms are not visible

And like, she’s in a few at this point

It’s gotta be a conscious choice to not let us see her arms

Especially after they were such a big piece of imagery in canto 1

[stoic fjord]

notably the seem to border on being missing, with some? like just with how her coat is and such and her sleeves iirc

I don't think she's armless, ofc, I just think it's super suspicious

[cosmic gorge]

Shes got robo arms and shes hiding it bc fucking Ncorp

Maybe
Or she got tentacles

[keen palm]

What about her intro cutscene

From the promo

Actually fun fact

[crimson spindle]

one suspicious mom, mostly armless

[keen palm]

https://youtu.be/TzgPykFfQ5c?si=xSWrLWabEVNZNZTG

You can see old CG art

For sinners cantos

Up to Mersault

[neat cedar]

I'm not sure that's the take we wanna take, given how some tellings of the Odyssey characterize that bit

lol\

[stoic fjord]

hrmm

[cosmic gorge]

Oh nooo

[fluid whale]

Damn...

[bronze zephyr]

chat valencina hidden boss is kicking my ass...

the queen

[tiny cave]

trying to get the 20k achievement with furioso, hoping some hidden bosses show up

[ebon forge]

building MD teams

i want to make this team better somehow...

who tf do i shard to make a proper triple or at least double status team

[tiny cave]

uhh

is this trying to be burn bleed poise or something

[ebon forge]

oh yeah forgot to shard callisto hong

[hybrid lynx]

all of those and tremor

[ebon forge]

the tags are random shit ngl

its just BL rn with random ids inbetween that im fucking with

[tiny cave]

there is some way to get burn bleed poise functional i think

[ebon forge]

yeah it just doesnt work without swapping rn

[tiny cave]

captain ish (1p, 1 bu, 1 bl)
beesault (1 bu, 1 bl)
noodle don (1p, 1 bu)
shi or bl faust (1p, 1 bl)

= 3p, 3bl, 3 bu

yeah you'd need another burn bleed id i think

kira ish is the only other one but you can't have kira and captain ish

[ebon forge]

yeah

there is nclair

[tiny cave]

oh true

i guess nclair, another bleed poise and another burn poise gets you there

[ebon forge]

the issue is noodle don is the only burn poise

[tiny cave]

damn, noodled

[split beacon]

Valdion will fix this

[ebon forge]

yeah she willllllllll

[split beacon]

Valencina Rodion and Matthias Outis will be the final pieces of the poise burn bleed team

[ebon forge]

also

why tf are bloodfiends the only bleed rupture ids

[tiny cave]

bleed rupture is a horrible combo that's why

[split beacon]

Blupture actually sucks yeah

[ebon forge]

i need them

like for MD triple status

cuz like

im tryna build this goddamn triple status AND a bleed team

[split beacon]

Chupture is straightforward

Speaking of which

WEN MORE W CORP

[ebon forge]

yeah i just want triple status

tbf we did get CCA last season

[split beacon]

see

we just got the prophecized Charge support ID that lets us do crazy shit and permanently gas a few IDs up

I'm ready to rip space

gib CCA Sinclair cowards

idk of the entire bus only Rodion, Ishmael, Sinclair and Gregor are missing W Corp IDs now right

[ebon forge]

what are the triple status ids again?

[tiny cave]

rosespanner greg lol

[split beacon]

doesn't that feel like kind of a screwball that the Sinners who seem the most adaptive to shit awful situations are the ones missing the W Corp IDs

[karmic escarp]

W-greg would kill me good style
hed look so good...... and if they give him the hat it's over for me

[split beacon]

idk if I'm conveying the vibe correctly like

[ebon forge]

fuck it sinking charge rupture

[split beacon]

that group of four seems like the group of Sinners who are the most like "damn I guess shit sucks then" and just accept it

[karmic escarp]

ishmael's had to deal with... those things (whales) shed fold the warpbominations easy

[bronze zephyr]

sinclair greg ish rodya?

hmhm

[karmic escarp]

sinclair and rodya outwardly act like 'ah ewww it's freaky :((((' but theyre both faking fakers lmao

[split beacon]

I'd include Outis in that group too if it wasn't arbitrarily decided by being Sinners with no W Corp IDs except that like

Outis kinda DOES give a shit if it sucks

she's kind of a proponent of If It Sucks Hit Da Bricks

[tiny cave]

outis on a 3000 year journey to get home

[karmic escarp]

'manager, we DONT gotta'

[split beacon]

or overthrow your incompetent leader

I mean YEAH

Outis kind of does go

"listen manager I know they're saying we gotta but like"

"we don't actually gotta."

[ebon forge]

actually nevermind the triple status sinking rupture charge

[tiny cave]

manager esquire we must

[ebon forge]

thats a sunshowercliff team

[split beacon]

no executive manager, we don't fucking must

[tiny cave]

manager esquire if thou dost not, then thou hath no maidens

[split beacon]

truly outis and donqui are the angel and devil on Dante's shoulders

not necessarily respectively

[ebon forge]

wait i can do a bleed burn double status

[split beacon]

sometimes Donqui just says shit

[tiny cave]

yeah there's enough bleed burns to do that

[split beacon]

and sometimes Outis is like "manager we can just be evil its ok no one cares"

[tiny cave]

beesault, nclair, captain/kira ish

+2 bleed +2 burn

[uneven canopy]

https://bsky.app/profile/unowers.bsky.social/post/3midnu6a4hw26

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Bluesky · Mar 31, 2026, 7:31 AM

[bronze zephyr]

Oooh

[ebon forge]

hmmm i basically want 6 double status teams

so that's rupture + poise aka heishou

there's sinking poise aka index

[tiny cave]

burnmor aka thumb

[ebon forge]

do they have a third burn tremor id?

minus valencina

[tiny cave]

you can just sticky tape a picture of valencina over rodion

think it'll work

[ebon forge]

i just need faust albina, and w outism later

decided to pull cuz i dont really care too much for walpipi anymore

[tiny cave]

hmmm

[ebon forge]

all my double and my 1 triple status now complete

[ebon forge]

hmmm

bleed, sinking, charge, burn, tremor

and of them, we have:

• 2 burn bleed (middle)
• 2 charge bleed
• 3 sinking poise
• 4(?) burn tremor

also notably

every nursefather so far

deals burn in some way

Middle Outism 200% has to have burn somehow

and Valencina also

oh yeah valenrodya confirmed burn tremor poise through hidden gift having "on crit" conditionals

[tiny cave]

Yeah it’s the burn season

[ebon forge]

i like how this season has 4 distinct faction playstyles

index and their singleton-ass targetting

middle and their counters

ring and their debuffs

idk thumb, only 2 ids

[tiny cave]

Thumb and their winrate
Index and their manual winrate
Middle and their counter winrate
Ring and their winrate
Pinky and their defend then winrate

LCE EGO and their this isn’t a real team as much as Hohengreg wants you to think it is

[stoic fjord]

Iirc you can make a Bloise team with BL + Kurokumo with Renclair that gets nutty damage

[cosmic gorge]

wait bad haircutclair is bleed?
is he?

i only borrowed him once

[stoic fjord]

I feel like Hong Lu and Yi Sang probably push Ishmael and Sinclair out of this list of people and I can't really agree

[keen palm]

He is

[cosmic gorge]

oh nice

hmmmmmm

hmmmmmmmmmmm

tempted now...

but

albina faust i still go

actually

[stoic fjord]

You get all of the BL and KK gifts and that boosts the FUCK out of Renclair

[cosmic gorge]

sans Callilu, what is albina faust's gameplan

what do i need to do

[atomic steeple]

So, all the nursefathers are getting a special s3 that gets put on the dashboard and has at least a token amount of burn
So I'm guessing bad end ryoshu will get a crazy nuke s3-2, and have some conditional that interacts with the nursefather's skills

[mystic ermine]

wha

why'd it delete the gif :(

there

:D

[dusty sigil]

Intervallo is next week yah?

[atomic steeple]

Art!

[atomic steeple]

Yes
Corporate souls 2: scholar of the first goreslop

[cosmic gorge]

Aldia....

also

Faubina acwuired

bleed team here i go

whats the polite thing to say if faust tells a joke that she wants you to laugh at?

||HeHeHeHeHe||

[dusty sigil]

Sick

[cosmic gorge]

hmmmm

when is kit reveal again

next week?

[dusty sigil]

Should be

[lean fjord]

On Sunday

[cosmic gorge]

kit reveal i mean

trailer

actually i meant kit reveal but rembered that they do trailers first

[lime swan]

Uptime em to 4

Do it for her

[atomic steeple]

Got ring faust
Just need hong lu
And exp tickets

[lime swan]

The ticket econony looked good for a second after MD achievements released, now we're back in the hole

Can't wait for multi wave luxcavations

[cosmic gorge]

can't even level albina faust to the max 😔

also

ever since i put her in my bleed team, the awyro/fellsang wombo combo has been getting harder to proc

[gentle mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpTgQN7awog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJ5X1pxV-U

https://tenor.com/view/celebrate-gif-27394652

immediately resigning my 15/50 run i am not built for that

[faint pivot]

How come? You need more Lust than Pride and she provides plenty

...unless you're fueling FB EGO?

[cosmic gorge]

maybe things are dying too fast to accumulate what i need

[faint pivot]

That's the main stopper of ISF/A yea

Unless you really amp his Poise, Fell Sang's base Torn Memory gain takes a minimum of 3 turns to max, and you'd have no Poise at that point cause you'd be using skill 2s to get there

(no Count)

[lean fjord]

You want the EGO to shortcut it

[faint pivot]

Kinda? Don't need it after all

[cosmic gorge]

thats what i do (contempt awe ego i mean)

[faint pivot]

Just gotta be fine to grit your teeth if Sang tails

[cosmic gorge]

but also she turn 1'd some bongy's with it at hells kitchen its funny

"ok i have 7 lust res lets pop the ego to setup that combo aaaaaand theyre all dead"

[lime swan]

this is why we need waves

[faint pivot]

That'll do it, yea

[cosmic gorge]

yeah hells chicken has no waves

well, small

but not enough

that fight i had had none at least

[faint pivot]

MD turns into rocket tag, Railway isn't rewarding, we need lux waves!!!!

[lime swan]

looking at the chievos and thinking that i gotta do 10 people kill, annoying

[faint pivot]

I believe this is possible with only Crushbound Past and Honger's TotTB?

[cosmic gorge]

<Mersault, use Blodia>
"yes manager"

[lime swan]

it doesnt say 1 attack i think the annoying part is remembering what fight ahs 10 enemies, steam gear? also i did the 20k last dungeon without spicesang or moratorium so im not gonna do that again, im just deluging and tgetting it out of the way

[cosmic gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/jin-saotome-cyberbots-blodia-marvel-vs-capcom-mvc-gif-13611697045619073545

[crimson spindle]

Yeah its just 10 in the same turn

[lean fjord]

Gears has enough targets yeah

[crimson spindle]

So you go to full stopped by a bullet and spam all your aoes

I got it on accident with my charge team lol

[lime swan]

teh hardest achievement will be, once agian, 50 dungeon clears

[crimson spindle]

Greg just blasting them

[lime swan]

actually failed to 100% chievo last dungeon cus of it, was at like 47 and couldnt do another one for my life lmao, account bricked

whats fucked up about that is that my badge actually says 54 dungeons, it just doesnt count the pre chievo ones

KJH give me my fucking seal, you hack

[cosmic gorge]

also have facades been fixed inna way that lets you see stance-changed Ids in their second stance

i got albinafaust to uptie 4 but i dont wanna facade her if shes just in her iron maiden state in perpetua

[eternal berry]

Not yet

[cosmic gorge]

darn

[lean fjord]

Wondering if I should level the new Ring IDs and do triple status for MDE

[lime swan]

the easy solution is jsut run robot gore faust in every team

[eternal berry]

PMoon’s just said they’re working on it

[lime swan]

itch.io trans visual novel core faust

[cosmic gorge]

its either mechaguro fau or facade seven faust for i i guess
also 2b faust sometimes too ig

[cosmic gorge]

charge bleed and

?

[lime swan]

the rcliff abominatino

one sec

[crimson spindle]

Rupture

[crimson spindle]

Uses rcliff who has all three as the lynchpin

[lime swan]

this thing

the ammo is to activate the 5 loadout tier of Desperado so its technically 4 typals

[cosmic gorge]

what the flying frick

damn

[lime swan]

you can never replace a heathcliff skill to 0 or the whole thing falls apart

[crimson spindle]

you can swap w outis for w don

As well

Another perfectly viable team

Or if you dont care about ammo w sang

[lime swan]

outis also boosts the ring ids with overload tho which is why shes the one listed

[crimson spindle]

The risk of that setup is if anybody does actually die there's a risk the whole thing goes kaboom

[cosmic gorge]

load bearing team

[crimson spindle]

If you give up on ammo you can pack backup units that maintain some of the nonuses

But thats your risks

[lime swan]

thankfully the only floors where that matters are 11-15 and unless ya get 2 bossfights in a row its impossible to go to a fight without a full team unless ya dont revive at the store

actually, secret bosses fulle revive you, its literally impossible to do a fight in 11-15 without a full team

thank god they changed loadout checks to stick with your initial comp

[atomic steeple]

Relatable faust
https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1sgbl06/stupid_faust_smoll_jade/

[mystic ermine]

Floor 15
60 Adversity
no Hidden Bosses

[mystic ermine]

haaaah

theyj sut removed them
new update guys

no more hidden bosses

[signal kindle]

If you just

Uncapped burn

Does it become the best status in the game or is that still sinking

[cosmic gorge]

cant say

MD makes everything gnarly

and i havent seen burn cap in non MD fights

speaking of MD

god damn

albina Faust is a monster once you get her out of her maiden armor

and thats without callilu

CHAINSAWW

[signal kindle]

Fair

[signal kindle]

🔥

[eternal gull]

whose stronger

riensang and indon or callistlu and faustina

[cosmic gorge]

i dunno i only have 1/4th of them

and thats albinafaust

[eternal gull]

fair

I have 3/4 but I must have faustina for my collection

I want a house of spiders team but im already missing a few of them

[stoic fjord]

They added 4 new ones

[stoic fjord]

I can't say just yet due to not having Albina faust yet

But I think they're likely comparable, with index being more single target and ring being more AoE

[atomic steeple]

Ring also loves to pile up debuffs

[eternal gull]

I have index yisang and I refuse to use any other id

[atomic steeple]

Ugh

IIf I get yi sang shards

[eternal gull]

I have NO orgininality I will NOT have fun

[atomic steeple]

not it's baout my situation

if i get shards I must grab index yi sang

[eternal gull]

Yeah

[atomic steeple]

which means ring sang is for later

and liu sang is for even later

[eternal gull]

liu ishmael is my only good ishmael id send help 😭

cant wait for canto 10 when we get like 9 green coin id or some shit

[vagrant dove]

The Priest (10 green coins)

[split beacon]

are they particularly adaptive though? Hong Lu and Yi Sang just sorta accept shit

they don't adapt to anything

maybe Hong Lu

but Yi Sang doesn't do anything about it when life is bad, he just lets it beat the shit out of him

[vagrant dove]

It's why he gets the rien id

[lean fjord]

I have not used the Ring IDs yet, but Riensang is very strong

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhh, yeah, fair I see what you mean

[atomic steeple]

Yi sang is a fucked up bastard deep down
Which is a nice contrast to how friendly and nice he is

[vagrant dove]

It's only really after c4 he starts doing things (telling gubo to fuck off among them)

[stoic fjord]

IDGAFer vs. Adapt. Improvise. Overcome.

[split beacon]

Yi Sang's a really messed up guy who comes across as superficially very normal

yeah Sinclair is not an IDGAFer and neither is Rodya but both of them are actually very adaptive and like, handle Situations™ pretty well

[stoic fjord]

He's normal until things deviate a little and then he enjoys shooting his comrades in the head and killing people in general (NSang)

Or becomes Rien

[stoic fjord]

They both will freak out, or at least Sinclair will and Rodion will whine and complain but they're genuinely troopers and will just keep pressing on

[atomic steeple]

Yi sang is a sadist who can see art in tragedy

[split beacon]

Rodion is actually very funny for this, she doesn't let on how hardened she is to life being fucking awful because she overreacts to small things

[atomic steeple]

RIng sang too

I'd say meursault is good at adapting

[stoic fjord]

I feel like Yi Sang might possibly be just as, if not possibly slightly more disturbed than Ryoshu in this specific aspect?

[vagrant dove]

Rodion will complain but also thug it out (which is not a good thing in some cases)

[stoic fjord]

He just doesn't express it openly the way Ryoshu does

[split beacon]

Yi Sang occasionally reveals that he's a little bit more insane than Ryoshu

[vagrant dove]

On the topic of yi sang, the rotten potato thing gets memed a lot but I do think it says something about his outlook beyond the joke of him being a boyfailure

[split beacon]

Ryoshu is sadistic and finds aesthetic beauty in raising hell, but she's also intensely loyal and just doesn't see humanity in people she's decided are enemies

which is a lot more normal than Yi Sang who will also torture his friends when given what he sees as permission to do so

like, Yi Sang absolutely recognizes the people he's hurting are human and have feelings in his sadistic IDs, he's even interested in connecting to and understanding that pain but he also enjoys causing it

which is really quite depraved and upsetting if you think about it

[atomic steeple]

And meursault will massacre civilians if ordered but would complain and try to rules lawyer it

Our meur

Inquisitor version does it, but needs frequent doses of brainwashing

[split beacon]

Meursault would kill anyone if the authority he recognizes told him to do it

he's just like that

[atomic steeple]

Meursault will phrase what he wants to do through his interpretation of the rules

[cosmic gorge]

its amazing how fucked up everyone on the bus is beneath the surface no
and conversly how relatable and noble they can still be despite this

[split beacon]

they're all tragic heroes so they all have villainous and self-destructive traits as well as noble and heroic ones

[stoic fjord]

Yi Sang's main sin might be sloth but-

Actually, how do we even categorize this among the sins? It's not wrath, i think it's too pin-point and such, too directed?

[split beacon]

what, taking pleasure in the suffering of others? it's self-indulgence, some combination of pride and gluttony

[stoic fjord]

Yeah, that would check out

[split beacon]

which, you know, you look at Rien

and you look at Rien Sang

[cosmic gorge]

i was thinking Envy bc hurting others

[split beacon]

they're not normal

[cosmic gorge]

or is envy too consciously resentful rather than

[atomic steeple]

Thumbsault avoids killing his guest by giving her a chance to correct herself
Prince tried to stay and die with his family
Hornet avoids telling an upsetting truth by being pedantic, and tries to justify killing himself as a logical option rather than a mental breakdown from a hopeless situation

[split beacon]

so you got a 63 and a third chance of pulling them at the free ten-pull at Sacrifice

[cosmic gorge]

fucking with people in a specific and empathizing way

[atomic steeple]

... Wrath also hurts others
Lust can fit for sadism too

[cosmic gorge]

ring is lust so i guess that tracks

weird artsy torment

[stoic fjord]

I honestly feel like out of everyone, Yi Sang and Hong Lu have the most like. Concerning IDs

[vagrant dove]

I'd also throw Sinclair in there

[split beacon]

Meursault is all about like, trying to justify his subjective desires as logical or justified by rules

[vagrant dove]

Easily indoctrinated swiss boy

[stoic fjord]

I meant the largest quantity but also fair yeah

[split beacon]

Sinclair has a running theme of IDs that go into murder trances

[last gale]

is there an example for this in his canto or is this because of his IDs?

[atomic steeple]

Yeah
"If I was told by dante to slaughter a town I'd complain"
The interesting thing is that he does seem uncomfortable, even if perhaps he himself doesn't notice it
He seems conditioned to downplay a lot the possibility of him disrespecting authority.
As amiya said, he seeks to accept

[stoic fjord]

Oh true

[split beacon]

eh, in his Canto he mostly just goes "dang, the league of 9" a lot

Yi Sang's most depraved moments in canon are the ones where something fucked up happens and Ryoshu is having an Art Moment and he goes "while it is indeed aesthetically interesting, we should really do something"

[vagrant dove]

HL can also be quite sadistic at his worst (see Lord Lu and Fanghunt)

[stoic fjord]

IDs are genuinely important for understanding a character, though, i think

Both in what's truly different and what's sprouting from seeds of possibility in the sinners themselves

[stoic fjord]

Also Hook office

[main scaffold]

ah, i thought i missed something in his canto, ty

Lunatic Blue ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) eh, in his Canto he mostly just goes "dang, the league of 9" a lot

[split beacon]

Hong Lu's tendencies are more wrathful than Yi Sang's

Hong Lu is like WOOO KILL EVERYONE in his nutty IDs

[stoic fjord]

Yeah

[split beacon]

while Yi Sang is like "heehee gonna hurt people for fun"

[stoic fjord]

Whereas Yi Sang just. Enjoys human suffering

[atomic steeple]

I think yi sang enjoys suffering
And being empathetic, hurting others hurts him. He enjoys it

[vagrant dove]

I do think in some cases HL's sadism when it pokes through in his ids manifests as enjoying the suffering of what he percieves as "acceptable" targets as an outlet for his issues (see fanghunt)

[stoic fjord]

I think this is also true

[atomic steeple]

Legitimate despair enjoyer

Danganronpa fan

[stoic fjord]

Beauty in despair and tragedy

[split beacon]

callisto lu is funny in this regard because it's actually not one of the insane Hong Lu IDs who have flown off the handle and started killing people because he can and feels justified in it

he just

really likes art you guys

[tiny cave]

tbf he had a messy breakup with his boyfriend(s)

[stoic fjord]

I feel like

[vagrant dove]

And girlfriend (dongbaek)

[stoic fjord]

Ryoshu and Yi Sang could both get Silent Orchestra

Maybe a Solemn Lament kinda deal

[vagrant dove]

The Lo9 plotline is just fighting Yi Sangs Morally Varied Exes

[cosmic gorge]

saddest polycule/blunt rotation

[stoic fjord]

One ID, one E.G.O

[tiny cave]

yi sang (scott) + 7 evil exes + ramona (gubo)

• knives (faust)

[atomic steeple]

Hong lu I feel like his nutty ids are him killing for performance and as an outlet for his issues

[cosmic gorge]

yisang ||canonically hitting the zaza is fucking hilarious||

[atomic steeple]

In fanghunt, you can see his issues about family

[vagrant dove]

I choose to believe he misinterpreted the question as weed

Dongbaek's ass growing that shadow pack

[stoic fjord]

Dark E.G.Otist Spicebush Effloresced pack

This shit was watered with the Light

[vagrant dove]

Enkephalin from 100 abnormalities

[cosmic gorge]

not me resetting round 1 of my bleed team's MD fights so that i have absolute lust res on round 1 for Entangled Fate/Contempt Awe Reasons

[atomic steeple]

Like, hong lu having little to grasp in life
And getting attached to killing as his outlet that doesn't involve feeling too attached

And lets him entertain elders

[stoic fjord]

Silent Orchestra would be so cool...

Also another Yi Sang with a Scythe would make me very happy

The day we get our first Lob Corp ALEPH E.G.O gear ID i will be very very happy

[vagrant dove]

Faust could also count

As the one who knows a lot about the Flow, which fits with the whole conductor aspect of SO

And recruited the sinners

Creating the best ensemble, one could say

[stoic fjord]

Blue Reverb Faust would be cool

[atomic steeple]

Argalia faust

Oh you were faster

[vagrant dove]

Black silence ishmael vs blue reverb faust

I know it's probably going to be someone else but I can cope

[lean fjord]

Hong Lu is full of anger at the world
and wishes he could change things

which you can see well with Lord Hong

even if he doesn't have any Wrath technically

[cosmic gorge]

Hong lord lacks that righteous anger to him

[vagrant dove]

I always saw it as his rage being hollow, like Hong Lord himself is

[lean fjord]

I would disagree

[atomic steeple]

His empathy drives him to violence out of disgust and powerlessness

[cosmic gorge]

his action are righteous because his enemies are depraved but hes not Righteous Righteous yanno

[atomic steeple]

Yi sang's empathy drives him to violence for that sweet feeling of despair

[stoic fjord]

Righteous by virtue of everyone he's killing being sadistic billionaires

[vagrant dove]

It's an anger at the world that can never really be sated. A gluttony even, which is why he's aiming to start a war of the wings

[stoic fjord]

Not righteous because he wants to genuinely purge anything and everything he sees as evil and believes he alone is right and will not be stopped

[atomic steeple]

Pride as his defense

[stoic fjord]

He will cut through anyone who stands in his way

One could say... he carves the path of a lord.

[lean fjord]

that's personally exactly how I would describe righteous anger tbh

but we may be running into differing semantics here

[stoic fjord]

Oh I mean yeah that's what it is but I'm also saying that like

[stoic fjord]

Yeah probably

[stoic fjord]

...doesn't he have a Gluttony defense skill?

Pride is only his S3

[lean fjord]

but I do think Hong Lord should have had Wrath personally

[lean fjord]

yes

[vagrant dove]

I think I mentioned that Hong Lord reminds me a lot of Jia Huan with just how bitter and spiteful he can be, with the facade of a wise Jia Qiu like figure on top

[atomic steeple]

Yes but in his feelings

[stoic fjord]

Maybe one of his skill 3 variants

[vagrant dove]

The worst of both his competitors in the Hierarch competition

[fickle crown]

Imo I think it fits with his themes of helplessness. Yi Sang has (for the most part) only known misery since the fall of the League of Nine and his more insane IDs show that he'd rather stay miserable than try something else. That's true sloth

[stoic fjord]

I think Lonesome Stand being wrath could fit? Idk

[atomic steeple]

Carving the path of a lord is what protects and lessens his pain
His pride and gluttony form his defense mechanism

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhh you mean like psychologically

Lmao

[atomic steeple]

It has been shown repeatedly

That people cling to pride
Like in the great lake

Ahab's pride is a pillar for her and the crew

[atomic steeple]

Insightful point

[lean fjord]

Yi Sang is definitely extremely sloth

[atomic steeple]

Pride and envy getting shield mechanics makes sense

[stoic fjord]

His S3 and E.G.O are both sloth

[lean fjord]

Especially with how he is still stuck in the past too

[atomic steeple]

We have hohenheim as an example

[stoic fjord]

Pride as like. Being better, elevating and separating yourself from others, isolating yourself, yeah, it very much fits

[cosmic gorge]

woohoo aweryo fellsang wombo combo as the finishing move against la barbera

[vagrant dove]

I love how fucked up the Sinners are, there's so much analysis to be done

Can't wait to dissect the intervallo

[fickle crown]

Also bit of a sidenote but it's still funny to me how Ishmael immediately puffs up the second she gets to be in a higher position

Unironically she's more like Outis than she'd probably want to admit

[vagrant dove]

Yeah she makes fun of Outis a lot but liks

[stoic fjord]

Friendly fire

[vagrant dove]

The call is coming from inside the house a little lmao

[atomic steeple]

No wonder they are a hos duo

[stoic fjord]

The moment she thought she was selected as Hohenheim's assistant in Check-up was really funny

[fickle crown]

Also her disbelief over being jailed

Which was hilarious

[vagrant dove]

There's also her lesson plan

The original one

[fickle crown]

Yeah lmao

[vagrant dove]

In Spring Cultivation

[fickle crown]

Ngl I think that's why her S2 is Gluttony

[stoic fjord]

That reminds me of Outis being so genuinely hurt that she wasn't on Dante's list of sinners to take for the investigation in TKT

[vagrant dove]

"How to track down a troublemaker who tries to sweep trouble under the rug while the team leader isn't looking"

[stoic fjord]

Wrong reply

Sorry

[stoic fjord]

Either that woman is an incredible actor or some of the glaze is entirely genuine

[vagrant dove]

Absolutely OutisCoded plan

[stoic fjord]

The latter is funnier to me

[fickle crown]

But yeah, Ishmael's Gluttony S2 makes a lot of sense when we take her vying for higher positions into account

[vagrant dove]

I think some of the glaze is genuine

[fickle crown]

Plus Ishmael just generally wanting more

[atomic steeple]

She genuinely likes dante

[vagrant dove]

She trusts Dant to understand what she's up to in Nocturnal Sweeping (and is horribly disappointed by them)

[atomic steeple]

From the start

Because she relates to them

[fickle crown]

Still laughing over this though

Just... Maybe a little too coincidental

[atomic steeple]

For outis, dante is her beloved dumb bestie

[atomic steeple]

Outis legit thinks they're best friends and doesn't realize she is overbearing

[cosmic gorge]

she is so linkedinmaxxed its funny

[stoic fjord]

I think she would genuinely be devastated if she realized that Dante doesn't think of her differently than the other sinners

[vagrant dove]

She'd absolutely spend hours polishing her CV and linkedin profile

[fickle crown]

The fact I was running a burn trio against the arson peccatula was just... Yeah. Then Faust blew up followed by fucking "excellent strategy executive manager"

[vagrant dove]

Ish probably has multiple fucking jobsearching apps downloaded

[fickle crown]

Yes Magic Bullet Outis was also there

[cosmic gorge]

unironically ishmael's worse trait (her murderousness is a feature not a bug in comparison < 3)

[stoic fjord]

I think I've said this before but I think Faust is kind of what Outis thinks she is for Dante

That being a trusted, vital advisor

[atomic steeple]

Ish is so relatable (please gimme a job)

[fickle crown]

She was a pencil pusher before this, what do you expect?

[vagrant dove]

I think this is also evident in the fact that unlike say, Heathcliff or Yi Sang she's explicitly only in it till the journey is concluded

[stoic fjord]

We need to put all of her dialogue through the English to LinkedIn speak translator

[fickle crown]

Tbf I think she's bonded enough to where she wouldn't leave

But also she definitely can't put up with these antics forever

[vagrant dove]

Yeah, I don't think that's something she's consciously aware of though

[cosmic gorge]

maybe to dant
but she seems like a 9 to fiver

[stoic fjord]

We see that she still genuinely wants to leave the bus team at some point, yeah

[vagrant dove]

I do think she sees it as another 9-5

[atomic steeple]

Ish cares but doesn't wanna be bound

She's a free spirit

[vagrant dove]

Or 6-5, knowing city work hours

Which is fair! I like that as a character trait, it makes for interesting drama

[atomic steeple]

Her ideal life is probably going on journeys and frequently visiting friends in between

[cosmic gorge]

being a 9-5ver is relatable at least

[stoic fjord]

I think if we got another Udjat ID I might make it Ishmael

[fickle crown]

Also I think Ishmael's whole thing with wanting to get promoted at least partially stems from her OCD

Like we already know the sinners are fucking abysmal fighters without Dante acting as a ringleader

Her seeing that shit probably drives her up the wall

[unique bane]

real

[stoic fjord]

They're individually fairly solid and competent they just canNOT work together without direction

[vagrant dove]

Put them together and the braincells evaporate

[fickle crown]

Canon sinner fighting is the win rate button

[vagrant dove]

My favourite kind of dynamic honestly

[stoic fjord]

I think Heathcliff and Ishmael are kind of like this?

Quite smart and competent when apart but they cannot stop beefing a lot of the time

[fickle crown]

I do personally enjoy this subversion of the motley crew trope because Limbus does go out of its way to show that (unlike Arknights) throwing a bunch of people together with varying amounts of sanity and wildly different backgrounds and ideologies is a horrible idea

[cosmic gorge]

funniest part of the ak collab

"look at the Doctor, coordinating their operators to maximize group effectiveness, minimize casualties, and expertly funnel enemies in ways to reduce the amount of damage done to the people they command."

"Not me though. I'm throwing my murdercircus into the blender of the battlefield before the enemy realizes these chucklefucks do not fear death."

[stoic fjord]

Me after I put two war veterans from probably opposite sides of the war in the same team