Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[stoic fjord]

also Outis

with Udjat and the slated Middle Outis

[vagrant dove]

Double middle outis/thumb rodya banner (the dream)

I wonder if we'll see the incident that got Valencina booted in Rodya's uptie

[stoic fjord]

my guess is that we get a double thumb banner

[stoic fjord]

my thought is that we'll see her coping about it but it won't be like, the actual event

[bronze zephyr]

Luciocliff and Val Rodya would make sense yeah

[stoic fjord]

moreso her being bitter and washed up in the House of Spiders

I imagine we'll get more info on it though

[vagrant dove]

Probably yeah

[bronze zephyr]

Lucio Heath I crave

[stoic fjord]

I wonder if Middle Outis will be a single banner

[vagrant dove]

Would thematically fit honestly

[split beacon]

hmm

[bronze zephyr]

Maybe

[vagrant dove]

Since Matthias only really ever cared about himself

[split beacon]

we kinda need these Nursefathers out and done soon since we're coming up on release time for the season capstone ID

[vagrant dove]

As opposed to the apprentice/master duo of callisto and albina

[bronze zephyr]

Might get more Middle which I wouldn’t be opposed to

[stoic fjord]

do we really need "the banner would be thematically fitting"

[split beacon]

yes

it's crucial

[stoic fjord]

fair

[vagrant dove]

I think I'm a bit too analysis pilled

My apologies lmao

[stoic fjord]

no it's understandable I'm just saying like

I feel like they're gonna want to push everything through ASAP cuz, y'know, season capstone soon-ish

[bronze zephyr]

We’re three months out or so I think?

[stoic fjord]

oh

nvm

[split beacon]

? is the capstone not between Intervallo 1 and Bokgak 2 for the season

[bronze zephyr]

Before intervallo 2

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah we have time

[split beacon]

oh ok we're getting the midnight sweeping bokgak and Line 6 first

[vagrant dove]

Threadspinning tier v helps my cope that uh

There will be a ut 5 for ids that have fallen behind

I know it won't happen

But I can Cope

[bronze zephyr]

He’d said they’re not doing it

So

[stoic fjord]

SURELY THIS MEANS THAT WE'LL GET MORE FACTION E.G.O GIFTS

[vagrant dove]

Ah.

[split beacon]

sorry superchief

[vagrant dove]

We no longer cope

[split beacon]

facade creation is probably our copium for keeping old IDs around

[bronze zephyr]

Bloodfiend Rodya is probably my favorite ID design wise so I might facade her onto ring Rodya sndnnsbsba

[split beacon]

canon because the Ring has their own Bloodfiend maestro

wait that would be fire actually

[vagrant dove]

Canto 7 still has some of the most fire fits

[stoic fjord]

Manager Don has aura

[split beacon]

Suprematist Maestro who's a Bloodfiend with a combination of insane drip and red hardblood accents on a pure white Ring outfit

[stoic fjord]

that'd be so fucking fire

[split beacon]

now you're probably wondering why Suprematism in particular and to that I say that Suprematism has perfect synergy with Bloodfiends

Suprematism is an art movement about rejecting representationalism and focusing on the purity of geometry and abstraction, finding pure artistic sensation in creations that don't rely on the symbolic representation of other things

[vagrant dove]

Would that be the Russian avant-garde movement

[bronze zephyr]

Bloodfiend Sinclair 🙏

[vagrant dove]

I think I remember that when I was researching stuff for my ring maestro

[split beacon]

Bloodfiends are uniquely suited to the Ring's artistic sensibility combined with Suprematism because they are besotted with the blood itself

they can find that pure artistic sensation as the blood itself is their medium of emotional richness and meaning

[lean fjord]

EGO are more important to stay relevant for longer

IDs will get obsoleted eventually, that's just kinda how it goes

[neat cedar]

ye we also get Egos much slower these days

[split beacon]

I wonder if we'll get a new Ring musical theme for the new Intervallo or if they'll bring back Cut Your Rings

the musical stylings for the Fingers are interesting

[vagrant dove]

True

[split beacon]

the Thumb's "Thumbs Down" has a twangy sound that's half Western movie, Enio Morricone sounding and half lounge jazz combined into an overtly sinister but smooth and relaxed sound

the Index's "Call New Index" is a wistful and contemplative string quartet piece with harpsichord accompaniment, just to hammer in the Index's theme instrument being the string section, very intimate and classical chamber music in style

while Thumbs Down feels like it's intensely to-type for Valencina, the Thumb, her home and her themes Call New Index immediately feels like a reversal of all that, it has almost no emotional connection to Rien or his situation and feels like pure facade and affectation of dignity

the Middle gets Middle Finger Sanjou, an upbeat hiphop hype track for Matthias and Kira, which is notably different to the explicitly mentioned EDM drone of Middle Finger Toujou but still hits the same basic notes of being loud and in-your-face hype music

[stoic fjord]

hypebeast middle member

[split beacon]

the Ring gets Cut Your Rings, which is musically interesting in that it's deliberately a baroque parody of itself that accentuates how pretentious and grotesquely extravagant and self-interested Callisto is

[atomic steeple]

Truke
Adam smasher ego meursault

[split beacon]

Cut Your Rings is literally telling the audience exactly who Callisto is, a self-obsessed master of the grotesquely overdone and extravagant whose excesses only drive him to further excess as an artist

[stoic fjord]

I honestly feel like Cyberpunk would be IDs rather than E.G.Os, or at least better served by such

[atomic steeple]

Minus coin berserkers

[bronze zephyr]

If any finger strikes me as minus coin it’s the middle

[split beacon]

and then the Pinky gets Sanzunokawa, a distorted, twisted, glitched version of a calming, domestic piece that cuts in lullaby vocals and a build to an emotional climax that's cut off and shuffled away by the distortion and replaced with a dread-inducing horror sting

and well

I feel like the musical symbolism of Sanzunokawa is obvious

[bronze zephyr]

Mhm

The pinky is so

Weird

[stoic fjord]

I think Sanzunokawa was more directly about Shiomi and Ryoshu and Araya rather than the Pinky as a whole

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah

[split beacon]

no all of the finger themes are about the Nursefathers probably

[lean fjord]

I love Valencia's theme, it's so good

[stoic fjord]

oh yeah fair I'm just saying it might be less connected to the finger itself for the Pinky Nursefather

[vagrant dove]

All of the titles are also negative iirc (thunbs down, cut your rings ect)

Also yeah, Thumbs Down fucks: the militaristic thumb vibe combined with western elements

[split beacon]

Thumbs Down is specifically gesturing to Valencina as a washout failure biding her time and slowly working towards her vengeance, Call New Index is a literal musical take on Rien's facade as a dignified functionary of the Index who just does what he's commanded to do, and Middle Finger Sanjou kind of gestures to the Middle is nothing but a platform for Matthias to hype himself up on

[stoic fjord]

apparently Toujou means "entrance" vs. Sanjou meaning "visiting" or "arriving"

so... interesting, maybe?

[lean fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-BobfNM1tg

[vagrant dove]

Canto 9 I think has the best score

[split beacon]

Valencina's battle theme is perfect

[vagrant dove]

I do think SAIKAI is slightly below HERO in terms of mili songs

[bronze zephyr]

Terrible spectacle fits matthias to a T

[vagrant dove]

But it's still very very good

[split beacon]

it starts with a hunt theme, an accelerating chase and then builds to a militaristic overture of grandeur and a heroic lift before collapsing into war drums and futuristic grinding techno sounds

[lean fjord]

the transition into the second part of the song especially is so good

[split beacon]

Valencina's battle theme kinda says everything about her

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah thumb battle theme is probably my second favorite in the canto

[lean fjord]

the accelerating pressure especially is fun since it perfectly reflects the Palermitan style too

[vagrant dove]

It reminds me a lot of lei hengs theme in the way it just says everything abt Valencina

[stoic fjord]

does Lucio have any of his own motifs or theme

[vagrant dove]

Probably the more heroic bit

[split beacon]

her nature as a hunter and not a soldier, the moment of grandiose success and elevation, and then the reality of war

[split beacon]

he does actually and it's Valencina's hunt theme

[stoic fjord]

ahhhh

[dusty sigil]

It’s what Lucio hears whenever she has an empty bottle in her hand

[stoic fjord]

foul 😭

[split beacon]

there's a version of the theme for the first boss fight that's just Lucio's theme, and it's notably just the first movement of Valencina's theme

[lean fjord]

yeah the first part of the theme is Lucio

and Valencina comes in on the second half

[split beacon]

it hits the militaristic tones a lot lighter and never does the war drums / heavy bass and techno sounds

[stoic fjord]

aren't pretty much all the themes kinda like that?

like, the apprentice theme is the first section of the nursefather theme or otherwise incorporated

[split beacon]

because Lucio is exactly what Valencina was taught to be - a hunter

his strongest attack is Il Cacciatore

[stoic fjord]

"The Hunter"

[split beacon]

he was taught to hunt and kill, not to fight in a war, and that's exactly what's perverse and different about Valencina

[vagrant dove]

In the same way that Lei Heng's theme just exudes the sheer joy of the hunt and the idea that you're dancing with someone who's very dangerous, you get a sense of militaristic pride, deadly skill and faded glory with Valencina's theme

[keen palm]

Chicken Caccitore....

[split beacon]

her style is perverted and changed compared to the purity of the Palermitan Blade, with strange additions to the style for splitting huge enemies in two and rapidly disposing of many opponents instead of what it's supposed to do, which is focus down on one person and put them in a no-win situation

[dusty sigil]

In general it appears the role of capos and above in the thumb is that of a hunter, to find, single out, and murder the enemy commander. They aren’t there to engage with the common soldier. They’re there to find and kill someone of equal status

Dying on mass is for the soldattos

[split beacon]

and there's nothing that sums it up better than her strongest attack and ace in the hole

no Italian naming scheme, no flourishes and no styling

her strongest attack is Disposal

[stoic fjord]

I'm still so curious as to why Nikolai of all people has Disposal as well

and what this means

[split beacon]

because it's a Smoke War fighting technique

[vagrant dove]

Common smoke war technique yeah

[stoic fjord]

ohhhh yeah okay makes sense mb

[split beacon]

it's also of interest that Valencina hits a completely different pose and stance when using it

[lean fjord]

her sword also looks somewhat similar to one of Valencina's to me
she may also be using a similar style of swordplay

[split beacon]

Valencia's Disposal deliberately evoke's Nikolai's actually

she puts her rapier away so she can hit Nikolai's pose for starting Disposal, with one saber pointed down to her feet

[keen palm]

Oh

[stoic fjord]

Lucio also uses ammo, right?

[keen palm]

I guess this does confirm that the Ring is the Intervallo enemy

[neat cedar]

yerp

[keen palm]

so I guess no Ricardo :c

[lean fjord]

it does make sense with what she had to use it for
mass combat and cleaving down large enemies would definitely come in handy when against G Corp

[neat cedar]

Curiousnwhat they'll be doing innthe House of spider's

[dusty sigil]

Sweeping BokGak trust

[neat cedar]

what is even in there for them.to.want?

[stoic fjord]

she explicitly mentions the other weapons, the siblings, so, yeah

I forget if she says she was the one to take one of them down? I swear I remember something about her boasting about killing one of them

[neat cedar]

hmmm

i wonder

if the the fuckin uh

[dusty sigil]

Interesting that disposal is also her only wrath skill

[neat cedar]

bremen musicians

have amy ties

to Fauvist methodology

[dusty sigil]

As she also has a voice line when she uses it where she admits how much she hates everything

"Yeah, I hate you all! The damn Famiglia, you, and Ticket, too!"

[fickle crown]

I do think it's also interesting how Valencina's rapier is actually a fucking pile bunker lmao

[bronze zephyr]

I don’t think so

[fickle crown]

She doesn't just stab someone, she's aiming to blast a hole through your heart on that final coin

[vagrant dove]

Possibly a remnant of her time as a Soldato

[bronze zephyr]

Oh that’s funny

[split beacon]

I'll gladly blow a hole through your head

[gentle mulch]

probably one of the reasons why she was sent to the HoS

[vagrant dove]

Since we know she used a rifle during presumably the early part of the Smoke War (c.f 9-45)

[fickle crown]

I guess she learned to go for the heart too

[vagrant dove]

Although that also could have been as a Capo

[stoic fjord]

a lot of her wrath seems to be concentrated ||within her frustration towards her downfall and what reminds her of the fact she's seen as a failure, and I think one of her war techniques being that might make sense, especially given the fact it's a technique to cut down several enemies and such? I'm yapping here but I think it makes sense I just don't know how to express it||

[neat cedar]

. . . wait

[lean fjord]

that's what the Palermitan style does

[neat cedar]

do.we think the fauvist might be a faction of the ring

inspired by the pianist?

[lean fjord]

escalating pressure to force your target into a guaranteed killshot

[split beacon]

likely

it seems to take off of the Musicians of Bremen

[bronze zephyr]

Oh interesting

Aaah

Yeah should’ve figured

[neat cedar]

. . .

god

if these new ring peeps

are ring associated musicians of bremen

that would.be

a hilarious call.back

[lean fjord]

it definitely seems likely

with the animal masks

[split beacon]

it's quite likely, the original Musicians of Bremen are basically a Ring offshoot group

[neat cedar]

ye

[stoic fjord]

canto 9 spoilers ||all of the nursefathers are dead, right?||

[fickle crown]

Yes

[neat cedar]

correct

[dusty sigil]

Yup

Well

[lean fjord]

yes

[dusty sigil]

||Araya is a weird case||

But otherwise yes

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah was boutta say

[vagrant dove]

yeah. ||Valencina got eaten, Matthias got JJK'd, Callisto got Sinclaired, Rien got fpooned.||

[fickle crown]

Oh my fucking god

Just now realizing

Valencina Rodion is gonna get up to some fucking Tingtang Hong Lu shenanigans if her disposal gimmick is the same as her originator's

[split beacon]

it's more likely than you think

[bronze zephyr]

Me when I view the tableu

Me when I furioso replica

[lean fjord]

I am very much looking forward to the Valencina and Lucio IDs

[split beacon]

oh also since I did music analysis for fun

[vagrant dove]

Same

[lean fjord]

gonna be great for Bremor

[split beacon]

why the fuck is Ren hitting that Amen break

this guy is built different

[bronze zephyr]

Amen break?

[split beacon]

Ren and Albina's fight theme has an amen break

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwQLk7NcpO4

you've definitely heard it before

[fickle crown]

If they have easily acquired envy I'm throwing them in with the HoS middle IDs and Firefist Gregor

[stoic fjord]

they made a subgenre of drum and bass about it

[lean fjord]

Thumb and HoS Middle together has definitely been something I thought about

[split beacon]

https://youtu.be/-jk4gqDFRBQ

but like

why is Ren hitting that amen break

He has this yoinky sploinky ass theme

I know it's mostly to convey the sense that this situation is pure fucking chaos

[fickle crown]

Tbh I feel like it'd work really well since Valdion and Heathio are gonna be feeding Mathoutis and Kiramael's coin power conditionals by themselves

Assuming Heathcliff is the one getting the Lucio ID

[split beacon]

Sora has it for phase 1 as well before she Unlocks The Fuck In

[lean fjord]

Kiramael does count as Burn, right?

[fickle crown]

Yea

In her thermal blades state

[lean fjord]

It's practically guaranteed its him

Though I was kinda hoping for Greg Lucio tbh

[fickle crown]

Her attacks are also counted towards burn keywords when that's active iirc

[fickle crown]

Bro is greedy enough

[eternal gull]

limbus autobattler <3

I cant wait to P+enter automatically

[fickle crown]

He has two Hohenheim IDs

[dusty sigil]

I’m sorry I can’t listen to this now without the Pump It mashup anymore

I just imagine it filling in the rest of the song

[fickle crown]

Also imo Lucio Gregor is kinda redundant given Firefist exists and is y'know

Still fucking crazy in this day and age despite being two seasons old

[split beacon]

this is the greed they were talking about in the Bible

[dusty sigil]

Gregor big and fat with IDs

[lean fjord]

Well that was before he got all the fucking Hohenheim IDs 😛

[worthy haven]

ass great as all these themes are for sure

[vagrant dove]

I also really like sora's theme

[worthy haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8fKDXWH-kI this one is the only one that gives me just goosebumps whenever i hear it

SO GOOD ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[split beacon]

hexed ass battle theme

battle theme that casts Blind on anyone listening

how am I supposed to read passives through all these tears

[vagrant dove]

God yeah, this paired with ||"araya is waiting for noone"|| and the entire earlier sequence

[dusty sigil]

Looking through the comments, I am glad to know I wasn’t the only one who thought this was the mili song at first

Like, just without the lyrics

[fickle crown]

But yeah, I'm actually kinda happy this isn't the case for a variety of reasons

[stoic fjord]

real asf

[neat cedar]

I think my.fav canto 9 track

will.forever and always be

[fickle crown]

Chief among them being the fact that Firefist is an amazing wrath battery and I don't wanna drop him from my wrath hungry burn team

[neat cedar]

"March. March. Consume. Procreate. Consume . . . March."

[split beacon]

thrash that fuckin bass

[vagrant dove]

A Certain Theme fucks as well

[worthy haven]

also cant forget A Certain Track+

man such a good music canto

[worthy haven]

LOL

[split beacon]

fucking

Mili song rock remix

[vagrant dove]

Was not expecting to hear between two worlds again

[dusty sigil]

Also huh, speaking of, I just realized roach emperor has every sin affinity besides wrath

[stoic fjord]

Theme of ||Vergilus INSTANTLY pops E.G.O and 3 Mang and STILL CLASHES HOPELESS||

[stoic fjord]

Gregor repressing that wrath HARD

[split beacon]

also the revenge of "Those prosthetics... I'll purge them off of you!"

what a fucking callback

[stoic fjord]

that shit made my heart drop

[dusty sigil]

And his pride skill is the one that’s quoting his mother… not naming something that is the emperor’s

[stoic fjord]

like. what do you MEAN

[vagrant dove]

Imagine being one of the sinners and seeing that shit

[stoic fjord]

I mean

they're not seeing the projected numbers

Dante is, though

[vagrant dove]

I mean Vergillius struggling

[stoic fjord]

oh yeah absolutely

[dusty sigil]

“Suddenly, one day... You will awaken from your nightmare, and realize that the crawling death has stalked your steps.”

Gregor might have problems y’all

[stoic fjord]

MIGHT???

[neat cedar]

just a few

[vagrant dove]

A couple of issues

[neat cedar]

my fav paet of that fight

is not.that verg is struggling

or the panic effecta

but

the realization that verg is the only.person in the buuilding that could have possible survived this

[vagrant dove]

I remember reading the passives and tags and my face just dropping

[neat cedar]

because his shield is the only.thing stoppingnus from.being eaten alive by the pests

[vagrant dove]

"The unwrapped present" FUCK YOU HERMANN

[stoic fjord]

||okay so only sort of, because if it was him alone he would've died also||

[neat cedar]

I mean yes, but again

he gave us minutes

anyone would else would have had

seconds

[stoic fjord]

fuck seconds bro we both saw what happened to Valencina before bro even started booting up properly

||you wouldn't even have time to process how you die||

[neat cedar]

Hurting Pests do an utterly obscence amount of damage

[stoic fjord]

it's 500 per turn, right?

[neat cedar]

at max, ye

[ebon forge]

Need to figure out a new MD status team, currently fixing up my charge team

[stoic fjord]

||how did G Corp lose gng what the fuck were the other wings pulling out||

[neat cedar]

||Crazynas shit||

[lean fjord]

well they were pretty heavily outnumbered for one

[stoic fjord]

right, forgot about that

[neat cedar]

like, i had a convo with someone a while ago about realizing that

Ego

while very impressive on a local scale

[gentle mulch]

Given how Hermann kept Gregor wrapped up for so long she probably wasn't putting her best into it either

[neat cedar]

are not actually rhat crazy

in yhe grand scheme.of the city

[stoic fjord]

Yeah, they're moreso unique in how personal they are

[gentle mulch]

EGO doesn't stop you from dying badly so it's just a new technology basically

[vagrant dove]

Yeah I think Hermann def had other goals

[stoic fjord]

A direct expression of one's will as power

[neat cedar]

mhmm

[gentle mulch]

it's still aura as fuck though

[neat cedar]

very

[split beacon]

also can I just say

the ACS fight has maybe the funniest diagetic ui moment

when Saude calls Dante to go "hey Dante why does the clash prediction say Dominating for every single clash"

"what the fuck is happening"

[vagrant dove]

Speaking of EGO I think I've said this before

more combo ego cutscenes please. That shit fucks

[neat cedar]

yeah

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-break-breaking-scouter-its-over-9000-gif-6845504705959603863

[neat cedar]

Sinners usingntheir egos on their own

[gentle mulch]

this but genuinely

[neat cedar]

peak

[lean fjord]

they've been pretty fun yeah

[vagrant dove]

They've gotten so good at working together

[gentle mulch]

"DANTE WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO SINCLAIR HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS STRONG"

[lean fjord]

always something I love seeing

[neat cedar]

i'm.still.hoping for base ego upgrades

one day maybe

[lean fjord]

the Sinners have already come so far since canto 1

[stoic fjord]

"🕐 🕛 🕑 🕖 🕣 🕜 🕟‼️ 🚂 🚂 🚂 🚂‼️"

[vagrant dove]

DANTE WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MARK OF CAIN. WHAT IS AN ABRAXAS CHARIOT?

[gentle mulch]

I hope Base IDs get like. EGO armor for themselves

[dusty sigil]

WAW Base EGO and 000 base IDs trust

[lean fjord]

100% yeah

I'm sure it will happen eventually

[gentle mulch]

STOP PRAYING FOR MY GERMAN BOY HE'S TOO POWERFUL

[stoic fjord]

dude I need Yi Sang ID with the fuckin crystal wings n shit

[split beacon]

Dante is just like

"same shit as usual I see"

[vagrant dove]

<Holy Shit.>

[main scaffold]

By the way, what are the base zayin EGO? The rest of the EGO seem like some sort of EGO gear type thing but the base zayin seem inherent to the sinners

[split beacon]

"once again something I have no way of explaining is happening"

[stoic fjord]

we... don't really know

[split beacon]

the base Zayins might be their personal EGOs

[vagrant dove]

Unknown. Presumably it's linked to the contract somehow- they're definitely personal EGOs though

[stoic fjord]

average mission for the LCB

[dusty sigil]

We don’t know exactly rn but atm it seems like they’re semi awakening a temporary EGO via Dante or the Bus’s powers

Like if the obelisks can force distortion, Dante can force EGO somehow

[split beacon]

it could be that the contract has essentially compartmentalized their personal EGOs as one of many that they can access via the PDA

[stoic fjord]

it wouldn't really be an ID at that point though, I think

[worthy haven]

||we also have seen glimpses of probably their own EGOs breaking through. Notably Hong lu not wearing his prison garb during his ego moment||

[dusty sigil]

I just mean we’ll get both

[stoic fjord]

no I mean

[dusty sigil]

Yah

[gentle mulch]

My theory is that the personal EGOs are extractions like how you'd extract from an abno but like. from a Sinner

[stoic fjord]

a 000 of the base sinner wouldn't be an Identity

[dusty sigil]

Oh

[stoic fjord]

it'd just be them

[dusty sigil]

I mean yah I guess

[main scaffold]

Mechanically it should probably be an ID though

[stoic fjord]

aye

[gentle mulch]

I'd personally see it like

there'd be a button to swap between them

like how you can swap uptie art

0 sinner and 0000

so you wouldn't have to like

re-uptie and level them again

it'd just be an alt art and skill set

[wild mango]

What if these fauvists are bloodfiends though 👀

[split beacon]

pfft

replacing bloodfiends with bloodfiends would be nuts

[wild mango]

Rodi’s weapon does look like a hardblood weapon

[wild mango]

Yeah….

1. I’m coping

[vagrant dove]

More bloodfiend content is always cool

[gentle mulch]

imagine if they're like

[wild mango]

2. having them act like glue for both archetypes would be really cool

[gentle mulch]

bloodbags contorted to equipment

[neat cedar]

I also.wonder when.and what

our first aleph will be

and how they'll differentiate them

and cost thrm

because atm

i think WAW is about as far as we can go for SP costs

[split beacon]

every time Vergilius gets involved

[stoic fjord]

I think they will probably be mechanically unique in some way

[split beacon]

it's Ring time

[neat cedar]

if using an ego makes you go like, fully neutral or even negative in SP

or draisn you ove rliken5 turns

not sure that'll.be fully worth

something fun I considered is

An ego that replaces one of your set skills when you use it

[vagrant dove]

MoSB Outis trust

[gentle mulch]

oh wait

[dusty sigil]

I do really really hope these new IDs aren’t super strong tbh

[gentle mulch]

HoS Hong Lu is gonna have crazy support for Tableau now

[dusty sigil]

I really want bloodfiends to still be good

Because like, if these just blow princess and Prince out of the water

There’s 0 reason to run Manager

And you might as well slot in more ring IDs

[gentle mulch]

Bloodfiends are usually really good for their sustain

that'll likely be their niche

[neat cedar]

like, bloodfiends aren't without use case

just because a new team shows up doesn't meam u can't use them

limbus is not that hard a game

[lean fjord]

that's just how it goes

[split beacon]

https://youtu.be/zQiJf_nbtIA

[lean fjord]

teams change over time

[split beacon]

there'll probably be a longstanding Ring Bleed vs Bloodfiends divide

bloodfiends are strong

Ring seems like it's gonna be strong

[gentle mulch]

my priority atm is making better teams for MDIE but if there was better farmable content I'd change the standards of teammaking to that

[split beacon]

KKs will continue to be a pair of auxiliary dingdongs

oh also ring is probably worse for mdie than bloodfiends because of less dedicated support ego gifts

[gentle mulch]

they could be hilarious and drop several packs and faction EGO gifts per but i doubt it

[keen palm]

They still have 1

And its really good

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah I can see Bloodfiends being more MD cuz you can get way more bloodfeast and Ring being for more Non-MD content?

[gentle mulch]

i need piercelux support and bleedlux support

bluntlux*

[dusty sigil]

I mean yah but like, bloodfiends are so cool and the ring is my least favorite finger aesthetically

So I really want bloodfiends to be good and not the ring

[bronze zephyr]

Bloodfiends are still Good, nothing stopping you from stil using them

[stoic fjord]

the team doesn't need to be meta to still be good and viable

[dusty sigil]

I mean yah but I don’t want to just use the bloodfiends because they’re cool, I want to use them because they have their own niche and strengths compared to the current team

That’s why I want these new IDs to just be alright

Instead of just being flat upgrades to Prince and Princess

[stoic fjord]

and that's probable even if the new IDs are strong, I think

[bronze zephyr]

^

[stoic fjord]

like, they're going to make them different

[bronze zephyr]

Prince and Princess do have their own niches esp in a bloodfiend team

[stoic fjord]

I imagine they will not fulfill the same support roles

[bronze zephyr]

Hardblood Armor and Festive Fever are good support Yeag

[fickle crown]

Also you forgot Dulcineon heals other members of the party if she has excess healing

[atomic steeple]

Gacha has a persistent culture of "update your team now or your account is useless"

[stoic fjord]

yeah, but they're wrong

[keen palm]

Its not like content is undoable if you don't have modern IDs

[bronze zephyr]

case in point

[atomic steeple]

I can clear content
I'm just grabbing stuff I like

[bronze zephyr]

mhmhm

[atomic steeple]

It's not like devil downloaders or honkai star rail, where old teams just become bad over time

[stoic fjord]

old teams do get worse and the N Corp clear of 9-50 is like

30 minutes

so I do think there's definitely an extent to which old teams become unviable

but also

Season 5 is not going to become unviable for a while, even with new strong bleed

[atomic steeple]

True

By the time things get too hard
You should have enough shards to revamp things

On that note, I am in need of more shards, ugh

[split beacon]

it's funny how the powercreep is genuinely not that real?

like, IDs do get a little stronger, but there's not a lot of like

hard difficulty / mechanics breakpoints where an ID is just Irrelevant Now in content

at worst it's gonna be like "this ID doesn't clear fights as fast as the new one" and WHO CARES

[keen palm]

My main thing is I kinda want content to become designed around the idea that sinners WILL die

Right now you put your best guys first always and then who cares

[stoic fjord]

tbf I would not want to spend 30 minutes fighting a boss

but also yeah genuinely the first major team is still viable in story content

[split beacon]

okay but are you

[stoic fjord]

no, I'm not being forced to use N Corp against canto 9

[split beacon]

no I mean are you spending 30 minutes fighting a boss lol

[keen palm]

The thing for me is like

[split beacon]

well

[keen palm]

I like bosses being hard and stressful

[split beacon]

I am against uhhh the one Canto 9 boss that isn't designed well

[keen palm]

I like emotional swells being tied to difficulty spikes

[split beacon]

difficulty is fine

I like hard content just fine

there's good difficulty and bad difficulty and I think you see a range of it in the Canto 9 bosses actually

there's some really exceptionally well designed fights

there's also "you got 5%'d, teamwipe"

which I am grumpy about specifically because I know there's better fights in the game that have deliberate design around this where you don't lose to one bad clash even if it's The Climactic Clash Of Doom

[karmic escarp]

||matthias or another fight. i think his was the only one i wiped to where i was like 'wait warhg?'||

[keen palm]

Yeah I only particularly had a hard time with the emperor

And that was because I was in a sheer state of delerium

Having not slept

Going into a morning shift

[split beacon]

for me it was JUST the one Shiomi Yoru fight where she giga owns you if you boof the clash against any of her coin reuse attacks

where it's like

cmon man

just let me lose like one clash without immediately getting my team cut to ribbons?

she cranks out like 30 of these fucking skills that you can't lose against or you immediately lose the fight

[bronze zephyr]

yeah shiomi was the toughest for me too i thinkj

[split beacon]

Deathedge does it, Formless Cut does it, Rend Space does it

and it results in this fight where you just keep losing in the first few turns

once you get over the SP hump it's a fine fight but like

come AHWN

[atomic steeple]

Who?

Oh shiomi

Yeah she was annoying

[gentle mulch]

library of ruina

i had a hard time with Valencina because I wanted to Get Her and she Wasn't Letting Me and it turns out I had to be patient for Verg to lock in

[stoic fjord]

I've also see KoDya S3 fuck her up decently so

[gentle mulch]

KoDya when she decides to be sane:

[faint pivot]

Hah

Didn't know there'd be a 3rd Ruina callback

(Rien as a whole, the Manikins using Puppet skills, Valencina's Disposal)

[faint pivot]

Hohenheim, Dihui, and goddamned Ebony Queen's Apple folding my team in half:

But yeah I get your point

I want more Ebony Queen's Apple

[stoic fjord]

...Hohenheim??

[faint pivot]

I wanna agonize over who's getting that SP first and who's taking hits

[faint pivot]

I didn't disable according to my team's strengths

I got Observed too hard one time

Talking about the bokgak fight btw

[fickle crown]

Yeah Hohenheim Bokgak can be a problem

[stoic fjord]

OHHHHHHH

I forgot 😭

[faint pivot]

It would've been really heartstopping though if like

Hohenheim turns around and Lamps one of the sinners

Would that ever happen? Shrug, wouldn't diminish the effect though

[fickle crown]

I do wish there was a way to like

Drop his observation stacks

That's probably my only gripe with his fight

[faint pivot]

There is

Retreating does iirc

[fickle crown]

Yeah true

But also I cannot be arsed to build Heishou

I guess we doin Burn...

pulls out Magic Bullet Outis

[atomic steeple]

Hope we get minus coin units soon

[fickle crown]

Something tells me Ryo's capstone ID will be a negative coiner

[faint pivot]

I gotta wonder

Surely what Hohenheim and Beesault did was different

But does it take longer?

I feel like mixing Diffraction and Lamp to make the crossbow would be a bit harder to reverse since if it wasn't he'd pull out the Lamp hammer on Callisto

[fickle crown]

I think he actually modified diffraction tbh

It's a lot smaller than the Lobotomy Corp version I think

Also I have found the single worst out of context "canto but bad" image ever

[faint pivot]

That's in part because the original was fucking massive

[fickle crown]

Also it

Fucking kills me how the Pinky Nursefather sounds like goddamn Palpatine in this

[atomic steeple]

Reminded of the bit where palpatine is horrified anakin killed the kids and choked his pregnant wife

[fickle crown]

Unironically she sounds like a chainsmoker in this video

[atomic steeple]

"Did you leave any of them alive?"
"No I went fruit ninja on them"
"Okay, I didn't need to hear that"

[karmic escarp]

(rips shirt in half) MEURGREGGGGG

[eternal gull]

🔥

got to canto 9

saw valencina

I wish the thumb was real

i'd join so fast id be killed since they'd think I stole propellant ammunition

[stoic fjord]

by _jenericku

[atomic steeple]

I'm a Ring girlie

[stoic fjord]

catch me bumping Middle Finger Toujou

[gentle mulch]

i know estrogen in the middle hits different

anyways ultimately id try for a liu assoc position

[atomic steeple]

I'd self modify so fast in the Ring
Gonna make myself some body horror shit

[vagrant dove]

I am unfortunately too indexpilled

[cosmic gorge]

You think serious and taciturn Ren had to deal with his sometimes old sometimes young sometimes no older than him master hit him with that "nop cap these larps take the l too much rip bozos"

[stoic fjord]

100%

[karmic escarp]

https://giphy.com/gifs/try-not-to-laugh-you-go-hell-oC6sPe4KT5cdDueIrw

image of ren trying not to laugh at that

[fickle crown]

Yeah... Right

Faust suicide bombing moment

[cosmic gorge]

Ren trolling Kira by saying the most gen a shit while only she is around

https://tenor.com/view/andy-samberg-brooklyn99-peralta-holt-b99-gif-5120628

[fickle crown]

But yeah, ngl me winning via Faust exploding and then Outis giving the look is just

[hybrid lynx]

same

[fickle crown]

Weirdly funny lmao

Also because I'm a stupid weirdo yes, I ran them as a triplet set

[hybrid lynx]

whats the point in making humans into works of art if you yourself arent a work worth appreciating?

[vagrant dove]

Truke!

[ebon forge]

id join the ring, drink the testrosogen, and create the facimile of a dead eldritch god

[vagrant dove]

Look I like their drip and enjoy having a clear path in life

Although realistically i'd be a rat

Level 1

[fickle crown]

I am level 1 grade 9 fixer in the pmoonverse

I am going to get my organs harvested

[hybrid lynx]

thats just one of your IDs

[vagrant dove]

I have Grade 9 Fixer, Backstreets Syndicate Goon and Rat as my ids

[fickle crown]

But do you have

Head Hooligan

[vagrant dove]

I'm not powerful enough to master his skill

[cosmic gorge]

Im gonna be an ambush predator fixer
No one sees me when i stab them
I need friends to do all the paperwork though

[hybrid lynx]

i had a convo about what mine might be

[atomic steeple]

Ren: skibidi bye

[atomic steeple]

I would be adding these muscle bone tentacles from callisto to my own body
Tentacles are so useful, surprised more people don't get this body mod

[vagrant dove]

Fixer offices wise

Multicrack has such a cool aesthetic

[stoic fjord]

Kira has 67 offense level on all of her skills

[vagrant dove]

Although i'd probably go Deici (i love reading)

(And I also forget things already, it's perfect)

[atomic steeple]

The index might give me a prescript against my pets, plushies or other loved ones

[vagrant dove]

True

I mean all the Fingers are ass

So it's really pick your poison

[cosmic gorge]

I dont want the prescript to make me do something painful

I do want tentacles though

[atomic steeple]

At least with ring you can pick who you use as material

[cosmic gorge]

Ill take the pinky and be a bandit lord's goon

[hybrid lynx]

"hmm, yeah, that guy looks ugly, but i bet i can use him and his friends to make something MARVELLOUS" -Thought process of the average ring member when in the backstreets

[vagrant dove]

It's probably between index and middle for me if I was being honest (i don't have the cajones to make it in the ring)

[fickle crown]

Eh, Middle is alright I guess

[vagrant dove]

If i misread ONE social cue in the thumb

The capo will rip out my jaw

[fickle crown]

At least with the middle I'd mostly have to just worry about some traitorous fuck getting me killed

[atomic steeple]

I'd hunt thumb members to make into art

[fickle crown]

Otherwise y'know

The usual city approved violence

[hybrid lynx]

ooooooh idea

make them into clothes. specifically, mockeries of what the thumb wears

[vagrant dove]

I should really write something about my surrealist ring film director (pretentious bastard obssessed with the dreams of abnormalities and distortions), but the bucket of inspiration is dried up i fear

[stoic fjord]

or being sent against a color fixer because they talked shit to a big brother

[fickle crown]

Yeah

But at least with a color fixer they'll probably make it quick

[vagrant dove]

Name one mainstream film and you're getting sent to the monolith buddy

[stoic fjord]

that and like

there's not a ton of those out there

[hybrid lynx]

"b-but interstella-" DISTORT DISTORT DISTORT I NEED TO MAKE A FUCKING MOVIE

[eternal gull]

but I might get a prescript to support my pets, plushies or other loved ones

truly, the will of the prescripts doth align with my own.

[vagrant dove]

exactly you get the vibe

Hack poser slop. Real cinema captures the processes of the unconscious mind. Now get in front of the monolith, I wanna see the dreams of abstractions

[hybrid lynx]

i genuinely DESPISE interstellar, so i chose that of all films

[vagrant dove]

I like the score, I think that's all I can say about it

Ehhhh on the movie overall

[hybrid lynx]

yeah, the music is the one thing i'll give it. hans zimmer cant really miss

[vagrant dove]

I had an idea of having the director and several other finger higher ups bounce off each other during a bow bell, but tbh I think I might wait until the intervallo to see how that works

[cosmic gorge]

I remember establishing that my limbus OC greg heffley lived in a Ring controlled backstreets
And his titulary diaryjournal is still pretentious but written with his blood as a backstreets Ring tribute

[vagrant dove]

Forced to hide their true opinions on a Middle Big Sister's favourite show to avoid problems

It's not an easy life being a maestro-director 😔

[fickle crown]

Also I have had a thought where Keopi (despite going back to being a backstreets thug after the fall of lobcorp) just starts working on investigating the distortion phenomenon

[keen palm]

I was also thinking more on my Thumb Capo OC

And I'm wondering if I name him Jan

[cosmic gorge]

Why not add another syllable there

[fickle crown]

Also yeah, it is just funny seeing Keopi walk in on a scene with nothing but a workshop knife in hand for defense and enough grit to hopefully pull through

[cosmic gorge]

Sometimes a knife is all you need

[fickle crown]

When your build is just protection stacking

Which has hilarious implications tbh

The Cinq probably work in the area he operates in so he sometimes does pick up a technique or three after weeks of observation

There is something deeply humorous about the Cinq unknowingly getting stalked by a literal rat

[keen palm]

Well part of the theme was naming him after

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Henryk_Dąbrowski

[cosmic gorge]

Oh polish

[fickle crown]

But yeah, I think Keopi is in a weird Hohenheim situation where he's painfully average albeit extraordinary regardless of that

[keen palm]

Yeah

[fickle crown]

There is also the idea of him having a more passive EGO that's already effloresced, it's just so normal looking it's easy to disregard as a lucky charm of some sort

I highly doubt I'll canonize that though

But the fact that there probably are EGOtists out there that don't even know they are because their EGOs are that inconspicuous is probably a possibility

[cosmic gorge]

Mmhm

[fickle crown]

I think Keopi's would probably be a coat though

Him being an EGOtist would have interesting implications

Because idk if it would've happened a little while after he would've escaped LobCorp's fall or if it'd be due to him being worn down with his previous failures

[cosmic gorge]

I should give limbus OC greg heffley limbus a W
Ive made him be an abject failure even in the version of canto 9 where he was a relevant character

[fickle crown]

Effloresced EGO: Rules of Unconditional Survival

[cosmic gorge]

That works

[cosmic gorge]

This image took several minutes to load

[fickle crown]

Yes the name is partially a ROUS joke

[keen palm]

It did

But yeah part of the guys vibe i think is that i do obviously wanna make him a nobler version of the Thumb

Someone who lost everything as a child to the smoke war and sees the fingers as the best means to regain what he lost

[fickle crown]

Tbf I think that the fingers can vary in that way

As a whole they're bad, but nothing says there are more valiant subfactions within them

[keen palm]

Someone who sees hierarchy as important as he thinks the Head's intense lawlessness leads to the war of the wings in thr first place

And thinks power is the ability to show mercy

[unique bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmNEJYn7qo

[fickle crown]

Anyways, I do think the knife Keopi has is sometimes mistaken for his psychoment if I do go with the idea of him having one

[atomic steeple]

Had a good bleed run

hohenheim was easier, was getting that sweet 99 fixed damage

but this time, for some reason, I had my clashing kinda bad against his big attack that lets you deactivate a passive after
Weird, specially since I had that blessed gauntlet ego gift
Still won the clash. A-res waw ftw

Besides that, the only problem was how much of a chonker he is

My final fight in that run was canto 6 ||Heathcliff in the basement||
I got my first stagger+ on a boss lol. The ground was painted red with bloodfeast

[eternal gull]

the piss... was yellow...

[atomic steeple]

Finished him off my dropping contempt awe ryoshu, mircalla don, mircalla meursault with everyone providing lust skills to make a full A-res

[fickle crown]

The piss... Was red...

[faint pivot]

I cannot check; Please say you are lying

[atomic steeple]

Need clashing? Need damage? A-res their asses

[stoic fjord]

I'm not lying

this is genuinely true

she has 67 on all of her skills for the offense level

[eternal gull]

does KJH know

[fickle crown]

Just checked the wiki

Yes

Madam speaks the truth

[faint pivot]

Distorts

[gentle mulch]

need some clarification

what's being updated today?

are we getting the duo or is that still a week out

[atomic steeple]

I'll always love bloodfiends for having the carnival lights as buffs

Bleed factions seem to be in a competition to be stylish

[fickle crown]

Still a week out

[gentle mulch]

weh

[stoic fjord]

...tomorrow, you mean?

but uh, 9th is new MDE secret bosses and a bit more adversities

[gentle mulch]

wadda hell it all blends together

[atomic steeple]

Okay, 5-8 is the speed range of ring faust when hong lu drops the team buff
Is that good for everlasting combo?

[fickle crown]

Peaksault moment

Fuck this particular stage three peccatula

[wild mango]

(re my previous coping) yeah there's no way they give the same 2 sinners TWO bloodfiend ids each

it would be really cool if they were both ring and bloodfiends but i really doubt it

tbh ill still probably really enjoy the ids

[gentle mulch]

i hope theres more roulette IDs like ringsang

just fucking gambling

[stoic fjord]

I need a heavy gambling rodion ID

[gentle mulch]

heavy rodion 🤤

[keen palm]

How is 34 seconds enough to turn me autistic

[gentle mulch]

rodyasm

[gentle mulch]

you'd be surprised

[wild mango]

Having two bleed archetypes like sinking will be cool but I feel like ring will just be better?

Idk

[gentle mulch]

for pure damage probably

even in md rodion and prince gain hardblood like a slowburn

[ebon forge]

rodiga-

[gentle mulch]

HEY

[keen palm]

She gasm on my rodi

[main scaffold]

🗞️

[cosmic gorge]

[tired canyon]

Please don't tell ryoshu I made this I don't think I could handle whatever her criticism would be

[karmic escarp]

well we can tell you this rules

[faint pivot]

It looks awesome, well done!

[faint pivot]

https://youtu.be/zQiJf_nbtIA?si=Il7eRsHyUG18-Kue

Love how a good third of the jury gets ready to boogie as soon as Meur bungles it

Meanwhile Hongers goes from ":D" to ":D"

[atomic steeple]

Ryoshu looks amused

[faint pivot]

Very much so

Considering where they'd have to be for Meursault to be trialed I'm expecting that to be one of her last lucky cigs

[stoic fjord]

I NEED Kira and Ryoshu interactions

Even if Ryoshu isn't a found family kinda girl (or at least doesn't want to call it family) I need there to be something. They share certain trauma. Surely.

[limber fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITgF-j1hjfE

how did i not find this sooner

[fickle crown]

By 6_4lov

Istg Ryoshu let Outis go at him to give him that cut

[faint pivot]

Thank you for the jams

[stoic fjord]

Foul 💀

[stoic fjord]

This is the guy who did the Level 1 UT1 mariachi Sinclair 15/50 MDE solo

[limber fulcrum]

yup

[dusty sigil]

I mean this is just how the stranger goes

Everyone who talks to Meursault in prison goes “dude, literally just say anything in your defense the judge will let you off with a slap on the wrist at worse” and he simply refuses to defend himself

[limber fulcrum]

also lv1 UT1 drifing blade

[faint pivot]

Daishu is nowhere near as bad no?

[stoic fjord]

Right but level 1 and uptie 1

[keen palm]

@cloud wadi fellow lore pervert, can you help me find any line of dialogue that ever actually indicates that Effloresced EGO makes you immune to Distortion forever?

[cloud wadi]

distortion detective but Moses is notoriously an unreliable source

[atomic steeple]

Yeah

[cloud wadi]

Moses claims that she cannot see the distortion in people who have ffloresced ego

[atomic steeple]

Moses didn't even know of abnos

[keen palm]

Yeah

that's the only line I know of

[cloud wadi]

however, in universe it's pointed out that it could just mean that people have externalized their distortion into their ego

instead of becoming immune to it forever

[atomic steeple]

It's like the distortion was shaped into ego

Moses has a lot of knowledge missing

The lob corp boxes were a surprise to her

[keen palm]

Do you have a quote for this? Or is it the same line in Distortion Detective?

[cloud wadi]

https://www.postype.com/@projectmoon/post/7298542

[keen palm]

So yeah, the same line

[atomic steeple]

Forgot it was yuria who said that

Miss "please think I have rizz"

[atomic steeple]

Had a weird dream where myo was disguised/playing as someone else, abd had the nametag mlem

[stoic fjord]

What does effloresced ego actually mean? Is it all manifested E.G.O?

[keen palm]

Yes

It's non-EGO Gear Ego

[stoic fjord]

I assume not because then Phillip just outright proves that like

[keen palm]

your Personal EGO

[stoic fjord]

People who manifest/effloresce E.G.O aren't immune to distortion

I remember someone referencing the fact that your mindset has to balance that tightrope of denying the world and claiming your own correctness over it in perpetuity lest you fall out of being an E.G.Oist

Maybe Vergilius? I forget

[atomic steeple]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1s6fkld/ring_faust_and_hong_lu_art_by_t0x1lc/

[stoic fjord]

They're so cute 🥺

[keen palm]

Well the thing I've seen is that Phillip had an "incomplete" Ego

which rendered him vulnerable

though I also think Mayors also had an EGO before she distorted

[stoic fjord]

I feel like us having the Incomplete Page of Phillip is because we only killed one of the three children

And the others escaped

Thus, we did not get him in full

I don't know that we have anything to support the idea of "incomplete" E.G.O, they can all change and evolve iirc

[stoic fjord]

They look like a cute lesbian couple

[atomic steeple]

Look like two moms

[stoic fjord]

True!

Hong Lu got the dead wife/mother side braid...

[uneven canopy]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1sfguau/lobotomy_ego_censored_gregor_ut1/

[atomic steeple]

Oh yeah she did
Could have been unstable like philip's

[vagrant dove]

I think the better term is unstable/volatile, which we do have some evidence for

Dawnclair

And does seem to be distinct from effloresced ego

[atomic steeple]

Effloresced seems like a finished state

[vagrant dove]

Mhm

Volatile E.G.O seems like an incomplete manifestation with the potential to still veer into distortion

[keen palm]

Volatile is the term yeah

[atomic steeple]

Unfortunately, we do not get informed how volatile every single ego user is
At the least, if it's someone who gets fielded in limbus while having ego, we can see if they have the word Effloresced on them

[keen palm]

Ezra and Phillip apparently both have it

[atomic steeple]

Kjh hiding the lore from us

[atomic steeple]

Ezra finally has it in limbus? Was too distracted with matthias

[split beacon]

my read is that having EGO probably doesn't make you immune to Distorting any more than Distorting eliminates the possibility of rapidly recovering and manifesting EGO

[dusty sigil]

Actually we do, from distortion detective we know that once an EGO fully manifests and becomes an efflorescenced EGO, the user is immune to the distortion effect

[keen palm]

No she has it in Distortion detective

[keen palm]

Well we don't, is the thing

we were talking about it earlier

[dusty sigil]

Moses comments that those with efflorescenced EGO no longer show signs of distorting that all others do

[atomic steeple]

She only manifests it sometimes, and often falls into distortion

[split beacon]

we saw Dongrang pull a hell of a turnaround

[keen palm]

Yeah, Dongrang proves you can distort straight into EGO

and we've seen people EGO straight into distortion

[atomic steeple]

Moses regularly dealt with her edging into distortion

[split beacon]

it could well be that manifesting EGO just means there's no latent potential to Distort because it's currently being channeled into your EGO

[vagrant dove]

Still so funny to me how he just goes "yeah i am evil actually. Fuck that cow"

[atomic steeple]

Yuria comes up with a way to make her manifest ego with her modifications

[dusty sigil]

Ah

[atomic steeple]

Ezra's distortion is getting covered in masks

Yuria and ezra are great duo and should date

[split beacon]

like, it could be that Moses can't see your latent Distortion when you manifest an effloresced EGO because that basically gives it another outlet

[uneven canopy]

think yuria hasn't shown up cause she's packing upgrades for the sinners down the line?

[split beacon]

but if your effloresced EGO were to corrode due to a breakdown in your mental state, it could come back and overwrite your EGO

[vagrant dove]

I'd probably agree with that tbh, you're channeling everything into your EGO

[split beacon]

we know that EGOs can be changed or damaged, it's one of the things Ms. Sun finds lacking about them

[vagrant dove]

(I know it's a lot deeper than this, but the joke demands it)

[split beacon]

I mean

how much deeper is it really

he does pretty much go "yeah fuck it I'm good with severing the past and doing whatever I want actually, fuck them cows"

[atomic steeple]

Ah, the library is angela ego
But her floor realizations are akin to distortions

[stoic fjord]

KJH adds a weapon gacha to kill us spiritually

[uneven canopy]

faust gets more swords

[stoic fjord]

I think it's just because she wouldn't have a combat role the way Ezra, Moses, and Vespa do

[mystic ermine]

carmen

[tiny cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvKA1F6xSgs

yo its lei heng 2tc

lei heng 1tc inc in 2 cantos

[vagrant dove]

Red mist id with seperate weapon

You have to pull on both banners

[split beacon]

got some nightmare fuel for y'all

depictions of the Pallid Whale's anatomy in Canto V heavily imply it has a humanoid body just chilling down there in the depths

[eternal gull]

Kira and Don quixote marriage when

[eternal gull]

is this what sir ayin~ saw before he died

[eternal gull]

thats fuckinge terrifying

[split beacon]

I never figured out what she meant by "with their necks bent like that" until now

This is not ideal.

[gentle mulch]

Ah

That makes a lot of sense

[split beacon]

I want to go back to the time when I didn't know what the Whales really looked like too, Rodion.

[gentle mulch]

If the Whales were inhuman

the Head would have interfered

Project Moon you son of a bitch you did it again

[stoic fjord]

Fuuuuuuck that

[split beacon]

Artist's depiction (speculative, not mine)

[stoic fjord]

"The whales were human"

Fuck that. Someone get a second Indigo Elder out there.

This shit is HORRIFYING

[unique bane]

do you think mermaids eventually become whales in this setting?

[gentle mulch]

Idunno maybe it's just all one whale in some cases

[uneven canopy]

oh thats some NINGEN shit

[mystic ermine]

ah.

well.

Humans only, was it

[split beacon]

something like that.

[uneven canopy]

https://youtu.be/1sAXo8tvav0

[atomic steeple]

Lob corp

Plague doctor O arrogant son of man… thou dost not realize that thou art wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

X Hah! Nice try! I'm wearing proper pants and everything this time!

Hod Is that something the manager should be bragging about?

Yesod Let's just consider it an improvement...

[main scaffold]

They only care if an inhuman being is sapient right? They don’t care about animals

ICEOUT Hardware (Ping 👍) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) the Head would have interfered

[split beacon]

it is lightly implied that the Whales are sapient

or like

some form of intelligent

[gentle mulch]

they sure are something

oh god what does that mean for the shit in Sinclair's basement

[cloud wadi]

Abnormalities are of humanity

So exempt

[keen palm]

The abnormality there was something on the spectrum of CENSORED but like

uncensored

[split beacon]

mirror dungeon charge with AEDD Gregor is kinda fucking nuts

[stoic fjord]

MDE update tonight...

[main scaffold]

Ishmael what

[cloud wadi]

It’s a marginally better idea than using it as an ironing board

[dusty sigil]

I mean they’re big enough

[keen palm]

I understand table

I don't understand chair

[stray sleet]

Like a bench maybe

[split beacon]

Stab a wall

sit on the flat of the blade

pretty simple

[gentle mulch]

blunt a wall

wall is now gone

[main scaffold]

The Zwei swords don't have edges or points 😅

[faint pivot]

p e a m

I love how all the monsters in the PMooniverse have human elements

[faint pivot]

The huh

I thought that was just, Everything There

[faint pivot]

Anything can stab if you put enough force into it

[stoic fjord]

except for the worst of them all

the Gnomes.

[dusty sigil]

From @ chayre5792

[faint pivot]

Technically they're humanoid

[stoic fjord]

not allowed in the City

they're outskirts

[ebon forge]

Luciocliff teasing the shit outta kiramael

[dusty sigil]

I have not considered the possibility of apprentice Heathmael…

[faint pivot]

Ik about that

But the Cuckoofolk aren't allowed either

And they're still humanoid

[stoic fjord]

heathclair for renlucio yaoi or apprentice heathmael

which side are you on

[stoic fjord]

yeah fair

[faint pivot]

Apprentice Heathmael

[dusty sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/im-playing-both-sides-both-sides-its-always-sunny-frank-retires-s10e09-gif-17913970

[faint pivot]

Here we gather to mourn the life of Kiramael's aura

[dusty sigil]

She has aura because she’s a loser fujoshi

It’s key to her aura

I have 2 core beliefs in sinner shipping

Rodigor

And everyone wants a piece of Heathcliff

[ebon forge]

Love triangle which ends up with Soradon getting adopted when they get out of the house of spiders and have a happy family together in the outskirts where they clash with monsters and Soradon reawakens EGO with their hel- shot dead by the Head

[dusty sigil]

not everyone everyone but I like a lot of Heathcliff’s ships

[stoic fjord]

😔

[stoic fjord]

what about Yi Sang's Poet Rizz and Faust fumbling 🥺

[dusty sigil]

I like FaustSang but like

It’s not a core belief

[stoic fjord]

fair

[dusty sigil]

I have my Mount Olympus ships, my loved ships, my liked ships, my neutral ships and my disliked ships

Fausang falls under liked ships

[atomic steeple]

Don x outis

[stoic fjord]

is T4T rodigor different from standard rodigor

in this ranking

[dusty sigil]

Neutral

I’ve never actually seen anyone ship that

[stoic fjord]

what are the Mount Olympus ships, actually

[dusty sigil]

They’re both Mount Olympus

[dusty sigil]

my favorites

[stoic fjord]

no like

which ships

[dusty sigil]

Oh

[stoic fjord]

I figured from it being above loved

[dusty sigil]

Rodigor, Heathmael, Heathlu

[stoic fjord]

understood

[dusty sigil]

I’m realizing both Heathcliff ships are just the two people who actually wanna know what happened in Wurthering heights

But like, that’s just more fuel

[atomic steeple]

Rodya x ish is a bit fun
Should look for faust x ish
Ishdon is somewhat popular

[keen palm]

Ish the default lesbian ship seems like

[dusty sigil]

Rodya Ish and Ishdon are both liked ships for me

[dusty sigil]

She’s getting passed around the bus

[atomic steeple]

Don x xichun I like too

[dusty sigil]

Also she is the sinner with the biggest implied queer relationship in her canto so it does make sense

IshQueeg would also be Mount Olympus if we’re counting non sinner ships btw

I love them so much

[stoic fjord]

I'm hard coping about ■■■■■■■■■ returning which is why I'm not a heathcliff shipper

[stoic fjord]

real as fuck

[dusty sigil]

That’s fair

[keen palm]

I don't think you meant what this means Magma

[dusty sigil]

I kinda meant it

I’ve seen what limbus fans draw they’re putting Ishmael in situations

[atomic steeple]

I saw gripfaust x n corp ish. It's a series of fics, all nsfw, of n corp yuri (femslash, not the apple food)

[stoic fjord]

I fw Shrenne x Ran if we're talking ships fully out of the bus

I would say they're loved, Zigong x Zilu is Mount Olympus

[atomic steeple]

Also, ryoshu ships are neat
Saw ryoshu x don around

[stoic fjord]

I like Lei Heng x Jia Qiu just because it's really funny

[faint pivot]

Okay yeah that's funny to imagine

[stoic fjord]

I don't actually support or ship it I just think the art is great

[ebon forge]

Lei Qiu is fucking hilarious

[keen palm]

I enjoy Ryoshu/Sinclair

[faint pivot]

Share with the class por favor?

[ebon forge]

Ryoclair is too mom/son to want more than sometimes

[atomic steeple]

I like that girl who leads evil monks x xochun

[ebon forge]

Ryodon is fun stuff

really fun stuff

[faint pivot]

Reminded of the art where CAR gazes down MagiDon

[dusty sigil]

Ryoclair is fun

[stoic fjord]

...

I can't.

[dusty sigil]

I do prefer Donclair though for Sinclair ships

[faint pivot]

Ah, ah well

[dusty sigil]

It’s all gay porn

I don’t think I’ve seen Lei Heng Jia Qiu art that isn’t gay porn

[stoic fjord]

it's ALL buff burly men having gay sex

[atomic steeple]

Overworked meursault x hobocliff is good too

[stoic fjord]

I FOUND ONE THAT ISN'T GAY SEX

[dusty sigil]

Woah

Rare

[stoic fjord]

by killerohan

[atomic steeple]

Albina x sora or kira
What you all think?

[keen palm]

Apprentice Polycule

[stoic fjord]

I think the only apprentice ship I've seen that has particular juice to it for me is Renluci-

polycule is based as fuck actually hold on

[stoic fjord]

Renlucio I fw bigly tho. like.

peak angst

[dusty sigil]

We love gay angst with people who have complicated relationships to their mothers

[stoic fjord]

tryna find some rn I remember one that can be interpreted however but it's just like

fuuuuuuuuuck it's peak

[atomic steeple]

Kira: I feel like I forgot two people important to me

[bronze zephyr]

oh we talking ab limbus ships? i like ish and outis, though its a very rare take

and heath and hongler, less rare

[dusty sigil]

Sailor yuri

[bronze zephyr]

yess

[atomic steeple]

Sailor moon ids

Moon don

[faint pivot]

I was converted ever since that nonsense video where Ryo held her own F.B.B.

[keen palm]

I saw that the ship name for that was Oatmeal

[bronze zephyr]

OATMEAL

thats cutee

[keen palm]

It's very funny

[uneven canopy]

the two most hardass women on the bus are smooching and making it everyone else's problem

[eternal gull]

c9 spoiler

fuck its all over the screen

[uneven canopy]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/82173911 oh a LC fic series i've been following got up to Canto 9

the content house of spiders...

[main scaffold]

What are the must have EGO for bleed teams other than Sanguine Desire?