#Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

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gentle mulch
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w faust

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not multicrack

faint pivot
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Yes

gentle mulch
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you can probably drop her

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take less than the max amount of units and get double slots for your best units

faint pivot
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Rep Emitter being Blunt, AoE and SP heal is cool but yeah she's more of a liability here, I feel

gentle mulch
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since there's a preamble with the mooks, you can build up sanity and stay safe for you to build the extra slots

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FAshu with double slots is like. scary

stoic fjord
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Genuinely insane shit

stoic fjord
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Kill everyone and evade or kill everyone even harder

gentle mulch
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Beesault isnt bad to also double slot but tbh, dieci could be good too

faint pivot
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Nvm it's all on-hit

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You should be good ousting Waust for double-slotting

gentle mulch
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should be yeah

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my summary for recommendations is:
Drop at least one of the following units:

  • W Faust
  • LCB Heath
    Set FAshu first in the deployment order
    Set Beesault or dieci in the second deployment order depending on which you like more
    ALSO BRING A SUPPORT ZWEI ISHMAEL IF YOU CAN
main scaffoldBOT
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welp, ricardo was too fast and all clashes were hopeless so half of our team is now staggered. first turn btw

stoic fjord
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Unfortunate

gentle mulch
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oh

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actually

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im gonna edit that recc

main scaffoldBOT
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damn

ICEOUT Hardware (Ping 👍) ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1208554035326484531 message)

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does anyone here have her?

gentle mulch
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if theres ANYONE with a Zwei ish they can lend that would be perfect

faint pivot
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You fine with level 60s?

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Alright this might take a bit

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Cause my company doesn't have a Zwei Ish but uno momento

atomic steeple
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Ricardo is cool, but a real pain

faint pivot
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X961210493

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Tis my code

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Will edit company

main scaffoldBOT
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ty!

faint pivot
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Company edited and req accepted

warm scarabBOT
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Psst, ■■■ (@last gale), you have been pinged by @faint pivot.

faint pivot
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Swapped Tidal Elegy for Christmas Nightmare since you have FAShu aka M.I.S.S.
-# Makes Infinite Sloth Surreptitiously

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Go get 'em chief

gentle mulch
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honestly

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this has come up enough that i might just have a dedicated company slot to zwei ishmael at level 45

faint pivot
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Also misremembered, my Zweish is at 55, close enough though

gentle mulch
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yeah

gentle mulch
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shouldnt be a material difference

gentle mulch
faint pivot
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It's 40 but true

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And either way

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The service would be appreciated

gentle mulch
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🙂‍↕️

faint pivot
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I know I would since I prefer using on-level support IDs

gentle mulch
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ICEOUT Zwei Ishmael Level 45 For Ricardo / Canto 5
T693161100

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ill just

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leave that as a reference for me to search up if it comes up more

faint pivot
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Will remember it too and ping you when another enters the land of bristly

gentle mulch
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genuinely i dont think any other boss has been as big of a stopgap as ricardo

faint pivot
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...hm wait that's me viewing it singularly

glad fable
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R.E.?

faint pivot
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Like as a whole? Yeah Ricardo stopped more players

faint pivot
glad fable
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Ah

gentle mulch
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for me, Canto 7's dungeon was a huge one, too. but not something that was predecated on cheesing it out or having an id

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||Canto 9's Valencina forced me to use a Durante power optionally in story||

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||I just didnt realize it was a game of waiting for Verg to actually use stronger attacks||

worthy haven
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Wait why is it a video

faint pivot
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Video that lasts for 1 frame lmao

faint pivot
eternal gull
fickle crown
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Y'know

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Thinking on it

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Middle Ish and Middle Outis will actually be a really good pair up with the upcoming thumb IDs when we get those

fickle crown
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Given the Thumb HoS IDs are gonna be Tremburn both of the Middle HoS IDs are gonna get coin power out of the deal and won't interfere by tremor bursting too much

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Plus no chance of accidentally trading scorch for something else via amplitude conversion

keen palm
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Yeah but unless they're envy res

fickle crown
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Also 6 burn is unironically easy to get and it's possible(?) Middle Outis will be able to force Middle Ishmael into triggering her thermal blades on demand

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Also not sure if Thumbcliff is gonna get envy skills but it's possible

dusty sigil
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From @ landobristly

lean fjord
fickle crown
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Also given this mechanic with Kira I'm betting on Outis being able to do the same thing

lean fjord
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Though I don't remember what actual Valencia's affinities are

fickle crown
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Because we know for a fact that the Nursefather and Apprentice IDs get benefits for being paired in a fight

glad fable
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…huh, every house of spiders ID has at least one skill that does either burn or bleed except Don

dusty sigil
keen palm
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She's Pride, Lust, Sloth, and Wrath

lean fjord
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Huh, i expected some envy in there but guess not

dusty sigil
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I feel like she’ll have gluttony for Rodion’s specific hang ups of wanting more

fickle crown
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Also I think something supporting the idea that Thumb Heath is gonna have envy is the fact he's getting the KQE EGO

keen palm
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Lucio is Lust, Sloth, Wrath

fickle crown
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Like the season EGO is usually made with a matching season ID in mind

dusty sigil
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Envy is guaranteed because Heath imo

fickle crown
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So I do think Thumb Heath will have envy somewhere in his kit

dusty sigil
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I know Kurokumo broke the trend but like

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That’s a relatively well adjusted Heath

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This… will not be

fickle crown
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Also Rodion having envy in her thumb kit would make sense imo

bronze zephyr
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I figured KQE was just made for wcliff

fickle crown
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Gluttony/Envy/Wrath maybe?

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Sloth counter

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Gloom evade

fickle crown
dusty sigil
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I feel like she’ll have pride instead of envy

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Rodion isn’t actually very associated with Envy

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Despite her envying Sonya

fickle crown
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Oh true

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Wait she does have envy in some kits iirc

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Rosespanner and T-Corp both have envy skills

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Plus an envy skill as Dulcineon

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And she has hex nail

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Though it is interesting how her base EGO is fatal to envy

dusty sigil
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I mean yah she has some she’s not absent envy

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I’m more saying she’s more associated with pride then envy

fickle crown
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Yeahhh

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True

dusty sigil
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Since her envy is derived from her thinking she naturally deserves what others have

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Rather then it just being envious of what others have

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She’s special after all

fickle crown
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Also thinking on it, if you're willing to risk it

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And knowing Middle Outis is probably gonna have like 2 envy skills

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It's probably not gonna be hard to trigger Kiramael's thermal blades if you run her in an undermanned team

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Or just throw in Middle Don and Middle Sinclair to fill the gap

dusty sigil
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Bleed Burn will be real

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Queen Bee Meursault is also there

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Ensuring you have burn count

fickle crown
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If you're a weird bastard you could also sub out Middle Sinclair with Dawnclair

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Who is

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Kind of a dubious choice but his burn application is fucking bonkers

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Knowing how Laev is probably gonna work on Outis though, it's likely that Yi Sang might accidentally push his therapy onto her instead of him

dusty sigil
vagrant dove
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i was like "what the fuck did pip do" then I remembered he wanted to be a landlord in the city

fickle crown
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Stubb is functionally dead

stoic fjord
vagrant dove
dusty sigil
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Saw a video saying that Rime Shank Rodion is about her backstory from her community turning on her and betraying her after she murdered the tax collector

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Despite that not being what happened

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People really need to actually replay canto 2 before talking about Rodion I swear

vagrant dove
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like

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they do know the middle showed up and murdered everyone

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right

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like that was the point. that's why rodya feels so guilty

dusty sigil
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I don’t know

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The way they describe the backstory Rodion killed the taxpayer to incite a revolt, which was also not her motivation

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It failed and then her community turned her in

vagrant dove
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Or if they're just making up like "Rodion was betrayed and locked in the hyperbolic time chamber for 1000 years" AUs

dusty sigil
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LOL

atomic steeple
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gripclair upscale but he is a triple keyword unit using tremor bleed and burn, doing mostly tremor hemorrhage but being able to entangle scorch

dusty sigil
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Horrifying

vagrant dove
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Anyways rodya related: begging for more crumbs in the upcoming interavllo

bronze zephyr
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Yeah surely,

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We got Sinclair and Gregor cotent

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She’s overdue

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Maybe she’ll do stuff in c10 or 11

atomic steeple
stoic fjord
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big big big fan of Rabbit Heathcliff

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not because he's good

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but because he has an assault rifle

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@ChatiiChiita on twitter

stoic fjord
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by @70sinc_ on twitter I think

atomic steeple
stoic fjord
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Xiao Hong Lu because of the polearm

ebon forge
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hong lu who learned to love and be loved...

stoic fjord
ebon forge
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and is a girl.

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hehe.

vagrant dove
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burns those who cares for her

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i have been listening to iron lotus too much again

ebon forge
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i mean

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that sounds like a thing a kim-hong-ja would do (fandom convergence sounds)

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i like the idea of a hong lu who abandoned everything for kindness

vagrant dove
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it makes a lot of sense yeah

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speaking of hongler, currently working towards sharding his callisto id

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the ids this season have been so fire

cosmic gorge
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Im running low on boxes so im getting faubina

stoic fjord
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got hong lu from the MD ticket

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so I'm grinding for faubina now

vagrant dove
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I got faubina in the first 10 pull using some leftover extraction tickets

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So i am just honglerpilled rn

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My luck finally came around after not getting harmony sinc in walp

stoic fjord
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canto 9 spoilers

for the Saikai cover

having ||Rien singing in the "What do I know about love?" section|| is actually so fucking evil I cried so hard bro

vagrant dove
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Canto 9 was made by PM to KILL the fanbase

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I still think about Non-Self

stoic fjord
wild mango
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i was aboutta be like HOLY SHIT lmao

stoic fjord
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hong lu closes the gallery for TWENTY THREE THOUSAND DAMAGE

bronze zephyr
cosmic gorge
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KSBD people

How similar is achieving Royalty to achieving EGO

neat cedar
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I am not super caught up but

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I think the two concepts are prob pretty different

keen palm
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Very different

neat cedar
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if i remember, Royalty is acheving like a mastery and command over the world

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EGO is about mastery over just the self

keen palm
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Royalty is a transcendence of your universal constraints yeah

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I did find out what the best representation of EGO in media is

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Outside of PJM

neat cedar
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is it that homestuck thing

keen palm
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No

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stoic fjord
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TRUE

cosmic gorge
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YESSS

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Goofy Goober Rock in the style of a Canto boss theme when

keen palm
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YouTube auto completed that search gor me

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When i went to see if it existed

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Don't like that

cosmic gorge
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Does it exist yet though

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Or is the evil machine just showing its hand

keen palm
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It doesnt

cosmic gorge
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Damn

cloud wadi
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But royalty is still very different from ego yeah

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EGOtists have more in similarity to demiurges if you ask me

keen palm
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I think the difference largely lies in that Royalty assumes a single universal truth

cloud wadi
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Yeah

keen palm
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while EGO is imposing your own delusions upon reality

cloud wadi
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Ego is staring the universe that tells you you are wrong in the face and declaring it’s actually the universe that is wrong

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It’s inherently kinda confrontational path of struggle

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Royalty we are told is opposite of that

keen palm
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It's also very emblematic of the two universes

cloud wadi
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Yeah

keen palm
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PJM seems to think determinism isn't really a Thing

cloud wadi
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City encourages conformity

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K6bd encourages strife and struggle

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I guess there’s that sense too

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There’s still elements of interesting things with determinism in pmoon’s stories too

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Certainly not hard determinism like k6bd

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But more like the morrowind or deltarune concept

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Where certain events that are fated to happen will happen

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But circumstances behind those events are up in the air

faint pivot
cosmic gorge
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The second page undermines the deception

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Because an actual teaser doesnt show the second page

stoic fjord
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FUCKING LOOK

cosmic gorge
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Cracked Callilu....

stoic fjord
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THIS GUY LAPPED EVERYONE ELSE

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HE DID 58% OF ALL THE DAMAGE

cosmic gorge
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Lapped...?
My mind went Elsewhere

stoic fjord
keen palm
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Tongue lapped

cosmic gorge
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I presume you mean run laps around and not where my head went

stoic fjord
stoic fjord
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god I wish we could learn more about Ren

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expected results.

bronze zephyr
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Yeah

main scaffoldBOT
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Pequod would probably be higher if her gimmick was better

stoic fjord
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there's something so beautiful and mystical about Dongbaek's theme

gentle mulch
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nostalgia of trying to relive the joy of discovery incarnate

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i think it encapsulates that a lot

stoic fjord
stoic fjord
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there's like. a sort of wonder to it. this feeling of there being more. of as you said, discovery

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also the quiet laughing in the background. as if remembering the old times and such

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fuck

ebon forge
gentle mulch
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because this wave of nostalgia washes over you with the track and it touches on such an emotional part of you

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and then you snuff it out and stamp it to the ground as the eye weeps again

stoic fjord
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TRUTHNUKE

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Dongbaek's theme and ||Muga Ryoshu||'s theme I think are the two places where studio EIM cooked hardest

gentle mulch
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oh god yea

stoic fjord
gentle mulch
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genuinely. i was searching for the lyrics

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and then. well

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the next stage

faint pivot
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Spoils canto 9!
Also, ||ACS cept he bumped his head on his way to the past||

ebon forge
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Are there any true burn/bleed IDs other than Gripclair?

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MEURSAULT

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what about burn/poise?

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There’s Cinq Don, and there’s Captain Ish

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Actually I just need 1 more poise ID I think

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Since I have 4/5

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Then tremor has 5/5

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Burn is also 4/5

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Bleed is 7/5

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And poise is 4/5

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I could run Maid Ryo since bleed is over budget but the issue is I’d like to have N Ryo for the funny combo when Sang inevitably kills someone

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And Fullstop is occupied by my Sinking team for the Index combo

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I COULD instead make this team bleed tremor but ew no

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So core members for burn bleed poise -1 burn (aka bleed poise) are:

  • N Sinclair
  • Hornetsault
  • Ahabmael
  • N Sang
  • Shi / BL Faust
  • Cinq Don
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I desperately want to make the bleed burn poise + bonus tremor team

eternal gull
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is there any id nursefathers outside of ring and index

cosmic gorge
eternal gull
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aight

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just making sure I had em all

ebon forge
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oh the horrors

atomic steeple
cosmic gorge
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hmm

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idle thoughts

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the background of Electric Sheep Don/Salt looks like ULTRAKILL's Lust layer

signal kindle
cosmic gorge
brave badger
signal kindle
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No

atomic steeple
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If we got a touhou collab, wonder how the egos would be

cosmic gorge
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who gets the sakuya id

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ego

fickle crown
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I do think she still has a decent spot in bleed all things considered though

atomic steeple
cosmic gorge
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WAIT

cosmic gorge
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lmao

atomic steeple
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Reimu hong lu maybe

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Marisa rodion

signal kindle
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Every time I recall the ending of canto VII, being that I completed it only 2 nights prior

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Genuinely I think it was the closest I have come to crying for years 😭

unique bane
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i could not make it through the first like 30 seconds of hero without crying
the last part also got me
ironically the middle part affected me way less, idk why

faint pivot
keen palm
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I think a big part of it is the emotional resonance of seeing the Ferris Wheel light up

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and then the joust

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There's not really a big emotional moment with the middle

faint pivot
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The big emotional moments round the middle for me were exploding to Bleed

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And I actively fought to not resonate with the message of the switch-up

keen palm
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Also idk I think

vagrant dove
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canto 7 is like

faint pivot
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The uhh...bridge?

Why is it that some were given the role of villain?
The moment they were released into this system?
Is very much competing for 1st place in my canto 7 moments ranking

vagrant dove
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i think one of the most emotional ones

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that got me

keen palm
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I AM QUIXOTE

DON QUIXOTE

BY MY NAME I SWEAR TO END THIS NAIVE DREAM

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is just a really good bit

vagrant dove
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i love thematically resonant final duels i love thematically resonant final duels, i lvoe-

faint pivot
cosmic gorge
keen palm
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The Canto 7 Final Fight for me was

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"Oh shit, bleed better use Rodya's counter. Oh I'm fine now."

faint pivot
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Oh I'm recalling the ||Sancho|| fight, yeah DQS had them ||red hands||

keen palm
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Also Reminder

faint pivot
cosmic gorge
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how serendipitous i am ||fighting dad quixote as a secret boss right now. I'll redo it tomorrow i am being lanced to death||

faint pivot
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D'y'all think

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That Sancho learned "Bleed Deluge" from Dongbaek

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Or Spicebush Yi Sang

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Like this could very well just be "press the advantage and Mulch this sicko" in two different forms but since she's drawing from memories of ||Bari's fighting style|| to form hers I like imagining she took this from Dongbaek just cause it's that neat

stoic fjord
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I wonder... seeing as singular projectiles are more easily parried... would using a shotgun be more viable than a rifle at higher levels of combat?

keen palm
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Inventing Star Wars from First Principles

stoic fjord
main scaffoldBOT
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we are happy to report that ricardo has indeed been... well not beaten by us but we did manage to complete the fight

lean fjord
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nice

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he's a big wall, so good job getting through

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from here you'll probably be mostly okay, until the end of the canto

fluid whale
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yeah
I saw y'all had hornet mersault? that will be helpful in the back half of the canto

vagrant dove
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i remember getting stuck at him for a while

eternal gull
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I mean theres no way to avoid this sounding like gloating

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but honestly I had no problem with him

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I think all I did was stick on a support id (Kodion) and use Riensang

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still a difficult fight!

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but not like a complete wall

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I did get stuck for 3 months on donbaek though.

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Never again.

atomic steeple
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Ryoshu birthday

stoic fjord
bronze zephyr
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I should replay c7

wild mango
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I feel like only really those bosses had mechanics that will make the fight un-winnable if you do them wrong

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(/pos)

stoic fjord
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nah dongbaek was on some demon shit

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still kind of funny to me that we genuinely just ||kill the fanghunt office fixers|| in canto 7

(early spoilers, nothing major)

stoic fjord
atomic steeple
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Honestly, the scene was crowded

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Sinners, dongrang, shrenne, an entire office of fixers

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Makes sense to cut down a bit, dante was getting claustrophobic

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More seriously, the sinners generally respond to lethal force with lethal force

stoic fjord
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I'm talking about canto 7, not 4

atomic steeple
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ah shit, messed up

stoic fjord
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rabbit heathcliff solo... 🤔

bronze zephyr
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Ammo ID solos are scary if their ammo is limited

signal kindle
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In C7 I think I basically ended up with a dead team and only manager Quixote left

stoic fjord
lean fjord
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Udjat has so much ammo, it's crazy

gentle mulch
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she ate all the ammo in canto 9

stoic fjord
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Canto 8 and 9 spoilers ig

||Lei Heng vs. Prime Valencina, who wins?||

stoic fjord
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So sometimes if I fuck up I don't have the ammo

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Or

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Theoretically I could be short

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It's yet to actually happen

gentle mulch
stoic fjord
bronze zephyr
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Valencia has relic advantage

gentle mulch
stoic fjord
gentle mulch
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||there's a theoretical point in time where Valencina at peak strength would be outranked by Lei Heng who could go "okay now kill yourself" and she'd have no choice but to do it||

stoic fjord
gentle mulch
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||Probably Valencina||

stoic fjord
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Also the eye

gentle mulch
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and also the eye

atomic steeple
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poise burn tremor valencina

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You know, due to cinq being poise and doing duels

elder wigeon
eternal gull
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any advice for the guy at the end of the first canto 8 dungeon

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im getting my ass beat 😔

atomic steeple
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The wiki doesn't explain the Blood status you get from nosferatu abno page

eternal gull
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do I have to r*ad

ebon forge
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only 4 ids left to level!

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(other than ring fau / hong who im sharding)

wild mango
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I am back after the forced abscence, and it's time to grind once more.

In this video I go over The House of Spiders: The Ring Nursefather Hong Lu and his student - The House of Spiders: The Ring Apprentice Faust! The 2 new units are powerful additions to the Bleed and Charge teams, with unique effects and synergies making them all the more powe...

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TLDR: ultranum thinks that the kk duo isn’t replaceable just yet, so it’s kk duo, corporist duo+ring sang, and manager don + princesault

fluid whale
# eternal gull do I have to r*ad

Yes, there's statuses you would rather not have, I think they still have the thing in phase 1 where you have to shred off the rupture count before you get potency?

gentle mulch
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+ring sang

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i guess he can stay

wild mango
fluid whale
eternal gull
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Jia Qiu

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I forgot his name

gentle mulch
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oh

atomic steeple
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Okay so. There's a gimmick to keep in mind

wild mango
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Having a third ring id greatly boosts the duo, but running ring Outis as a fourth isn’t worth it

atomic steeple
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Do you reach the final phase?

gentle mulch
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so what you wanna do is actually get hit when your count is high and potency is low. as well as the reverse. but if both are high something has gone wrong

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and also you gotta keep the Sinner of the Canto ready to clash specific skills

eternal gull
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Oh and for reference

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if its level 55 its in the initial team

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if it isnt then its rienforcements

eternal berry
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can you drill down to why you're getting your ass kicked in any meaningful detail

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looks to me like you should be able to handle the clashes pretty fine

gentle mulch
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you heathcliff is probably like blowing up turn 3

atomic steeple
gentle mulch
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well unless you get the heal which we're so back

eternal gull
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he's balling in the court on 1 health rn

gentle mulch
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my rec is to double slot someone else if he dies too quickly for you to get value

eternal gull
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if needs be I could switch honglu to lord of all heishou

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I just wanted to avoid the text changes (I like lore)

gentle mulch
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lordlu is also fragile

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but kinda not

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it's weird

gentle mulch
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if heathcliff isn't pulling his weight, drop him from the roster and field six sinners

eternal berry
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use fewer than - yeah that

atomic steeple
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From what I remember
You gotta get rid of the heishous, while beating his skill mao cut them down
His unbreakables can help drain your rupture
At final phase, you have hong lu clash and win against his big lust skill

split beacon
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mao, beora

eternal gull
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defeated him the second time

fluid whale
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What does Hongyuan need?

eternal gull
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(is my interpretation of it)

bronze zephyr
eternal gull
ebon forge
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minus coin ring?

stoic fjord
eternal gull
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like Nclair

stoic fjord
ebon forge
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probably but i like the idea that theyre thinking that

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poise burn tremor would let me build a proper triple status...

main scaffoldBOT
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A minus coin ID would fit the ring pretty well tbh

Carmen ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) minus coin ring? 📎

cloud wadi
atomic steeple
#

Honestly, what kinda mentality difference is there between sinking units and minus coin units

cloud wadi
#

Wait no

atomic steeple
#

Well

cloud wadi
#

Negative coin egos exist

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So it’ll apply to those

atomic steeple
#

What does it mean to be minus coin

cloud wadi
#

Since it doesn’t say it only applies to base skills

worthy haven
eternal gull
#

I think

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?

atomic steeple
#

I meant in lore

eternal gull
#

ohh

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I think - atleast for Nclair - its upholding his convictions, causing him to waiver with his attacks

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so maybe it represents that the attack is considered by the one doing it as unjust or evil, and that upholding this conviction, and thus staying your hand, is overall weakening the attack

lean fjord
#

it's kinda tricky because minus coins are just a bit of a pain to make work mechanically

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so we just won't see it used very often since it has weird gameplay implications

bronze zephyr
#

I forget how many minus coin IDs there are, NClair, Sunshower, Wildhunt Heath, Kodya, QoH Don, uh

lean fjord
#

well Huntcliff only has it on one skill

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but yeah that's mostly it

bronze zephyr
#

Still

atomic steeple
#

Didn't even know huntcliff had a minus coin skill

bronze zephyr
#

Mhm, in Horse Mode

lean fjord
#

Mourn Lament and Despair

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his S3-2

bronze zephyr
#

Lament mourn and despair

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Ye

lean fjord
#

I would probably argue that thematically, Huntcliff could have been a minus ID in general

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but they didn't do that because it would have made his design much weirder

bronze zephyr
#

The majority of his coins are positive but he rewards sp management so you can get a proper LMD nuke

atomic steeple
#

Is there a way to manage gripclair?

bronze zephyr
#

His defensive mainly? And N Faust

keen palm
#

Liu Sang?

bronze zephyr
#

He’s outdated but still works

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Mm you could do that yeah

atomic steeple
#

Kept hearing of how he keeps corroding

bronze zephyr
#

Having him win clashes every once in a while helps

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if you have rusty coin and use a single coin ego he can, that’s the only scenario in MD where he’s corroded for me

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It’s not That bad esp w whistles imo, just don’t use too many s3s

wild mango
bronze zephyr
#

Dropping princess is kinda wild yeah

atomic steeple
bronze zephyr
#

From what I’ve heard princess is better than manager in non bloodfiend heavy teams but I could be wrong

#

Sanguine desire is

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Big

atomic steeple
#

THe ring duo has good count

wild mango
#

But, I at least think it’s good that the bleed team has more options now and that it’s very diverse

bronze zephyr
#

Sometimes limbustubers are wrong

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Yea I’m a big fan

wild mango
bronze zephyr
#

I’m excited for non Heishou rupture comps god

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Rodion is great support

atomic steeple
#

I think I'll run the ultranum team but with rodion in place of yi sang
I like the enhanced guard

stoic fjord
bronze zephyr
#

Cries.

stoic fjord
bronze zephyr
#

I’ll make it happen

stoic fjord
#

my guess is sometime in purgatorio

wild mango
#

(I’m just stating his opinion, to me at least he seems the most knowledgeable about the meta?)

bronze zephyr
wild mango
atomic steeple
#

Hoping each archetype gets someone who can rotate them like lord hong lu
So we can just swap and use units

stoic fjord
wild mango
stoic fjord
#

to an extent, at least

bronze zephyr
stoic fjord
#

or, in theory

bronze zephyr
#

Yeah

stoic fjord
#

since

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right now most teams don't actually have enough IDs

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besides rupture

wild mango
#

What I don’t exactly like about lord hong Lu is him invading other teams

stoic fjord
#

and I guess sinking but that's moreso which IDs and not like. "I have too many possible seventh and sixth slots"

bronze zephyr
#

In practice lord lu having a swap mechanic is kinda what led to mono heishou

wild mango
#

Since the heishou are THAT GOOD

stoic fjord
bronze zephyr
wild mango
#

I’ll be less iffy about it once he’s shareable again

stoic fjord
#

the main (and in practice basically only) one is Burn

bronze zephyr
#

Mm also true

wild mango
#

It’s like

bronze zephyr
#

Tremor a bit too

atomic steeple
bronze zephyr
#

W Wei and Maost

stoic fjord
wild mango
#

Oh a heishou is good here, might as well run lord hong Lu…

#

Yaknow

stoic fjord
#

especially when tremor has probably better units in practice

bronze zephyr
#

Agreed, I don’t do it

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But some do

stoic fjord
#

fair

atomic steeple
#

Also curious to see more assist attacks

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Could work for tremor

stoic fjord
wild mango
#

We just need a very fast Faust that does tremor

atomic steeple
#

Or another n corp faust, Taboo hunter or inquisitor, with tremor bleed

stoic fjord
#

also Hong Lu himself not exactly having much for burn, I think overall his presence in other teams is less "Hong Lord is insane and busted" (though he is very, very strong) and moreso "Tremor is in a heavily E.G.O dependent state" and "Burn is so low maintainence it's crazy"

stoic fjord
#

since

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they have accelerated time shit

bronze zephyr
#

Oufi would be cool

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T Corp already has 3 IDs

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Heath is all alone

#

If she gave him viability that would be neat

stoic fjord
#

you were so beautiful... please... do not leave me here alone in the dark... come back to my arms... please, Pilgrimage of Compassion E.G.O skill buffing E.G.O gifts...

atomic steeple
#

Tremor decay is pretty good to add to the everlasting combo

wild mango
#

We might be getting a fifth ring id in the intervallo

bronze zephyr
#

We don’t know which finger we’ll be fighting do we?

wild mango
#

Aka the corporist duo would be ready to go t1 if you run all 5

bronze zephyr
#

I guess we’ll prolly know on Tuesday lol

wild mango
#

Idk

stoic fjord
atomic steeple
#

Minus coin bloodfiend ring member

bronze zephyr
#

Hmhm interesting

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Would be cool to see other factions like fauvinists or cubists

wild mango
stoic fjord
#

since... most science-y finger, presence of Ryoshu talking about art, and abbreviation vs. excess etc.

stoic fjord
atomic steeple
#

We'll probably see ring and pinky (shiomi's legacy, her color scheme also used by araya appears in the intervallo title)

bronze zephyr
#

Oh more pinky would be cool

atomic steeple
#

Ring is also the most concerned with knowledge and tech, so they are likely to scavenge the House of Spiders, plus it being in the COrridor, made with their tech, means they'd easily get there before others

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Guess we'll learn more about all ryoshu she picked up from callisto
Always wondered why she seemed most obviously connected to the Ring

bronze zephyr
#

My thought for the finger that would scavenge the house was the thumb cuz they made project araya but

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The finger I want more of is the index

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Index Meursault specifically

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Though he did just get Hornet

#

I’d like another Don finger

#

Ooh or an Ishmael..

signal kindle
#

I just had a random thought

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Sancho I have concieved an idea most ingenious

#

The song “children of the city” shows that the prescripts are also set up in a way that they have a cascading effect

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Find a bride/groom
Kill them
Paint your room “picturesque” which is easy since corporists would say you have fresh material on habd

#

I don’t really know where I’m going with this it’s 1am

#

The prescripts aren’t random they’re set up in a specific order to achieve a set of goals is my opinion

stoic fjord
#

shit just works out for them because every action taken factors into the will of the city I suppose

signal kindle
#

Hmm

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Ultimately then the index are weak to things not of the city

#

I imagine

atomic steeple
#

Well they call it the will of the city

#

But it's pretty much gods born of humanity, as roland said

#

The index still doesn't beat the other power players of the city

stoic fjord
#

they did manage a huge W against the Thumb

#

but also yeah I imagine if like, a Corp wanted them gone, it'd be gone

there's just no reason for that to be the case

signal kindle
#

Have we ever seen a prescript that refers to a non city matter

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Like say, monsters

stoic fjord
atomic steeple
#

The gods of the index are creations to give meaning and direction

signal kindle
stoic fjord
atomic steeple
#

Kromer tried to become an old god instead of one of the modern ones

signal kindle
stoic fjord
#

I imagine some time into purgatorio we leave the city

atomic steeple
signal kindle
#

I want sephirot ids 😭

stoic fjord
atomic steeple
#

We might see more of what gods are in canto 10 and canto 11

keen palm
#

Oh so THATS why the levels were different

eternal gull
#

oh also in c8

#

why was granny not hunted by the head

keen palm
#

Did you get to what she did

atomic steeple
#

Oh you mean that scene

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She deliberately toed the line without crossing it

#

The head is very absolute about its lines

dusty sigil
#

The head was only there to kill the birds and anyone who knew how to make the ampules that create them

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She made them in a way via blindfold, randomized ingredients and many assistants that despite being the mastermind behind their design, she actually has no idea how to make more

#

As she doesn’t actually know the ingredients she used

atomic steeple
#

To the head, playing with the lines set by higher beings is a very human thing to do. Well, at least binah thinks so

eternal gull
keen palm
#

Then yeah

eternal gull
#

that explains the randomness

keen palm
#

Basically she tricked everyone else into making a pipe bomb but because technically she didnt know the recipe she gets off Scott free

eternal gull
#

honestly I just accepted it was something like the spirit of the ingredients/the quality of the bolus depending on some of the ingredients having an element of randomness included, changing them in some way

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😭

dusty sigil
dusty sigil
#

It’s why the head killed everyone who heard the message

eternal gull
#

Ye

dusty sigil
#

They now knew how to bring nonhumans into the city

eternal gull
#

and thus were against the heads wishes of humanosupremacy

#

and thus were ended ye

stoic fjord
bronze zephyr
#

Yeah that's my guess

#

Gregor's said to be the youngest and outis the oldest i think, and outis's level is 8 and gregor's 4 iirc

keen palm
#

Well that was also my guess

#

But I didnt realize it was that consistent among teams

stoic fjord
bronze zephyr
#

Mm ic

#

oh didnt realize maestro hong removed his non jade eye

#

also: wish we could see his ring pensive

dusty sigil
faint pivot
#

The saner you are the less likely you are to make the positional/morale sacrifices needed to pull off your technique properly (i.e. diving straight towards your assailants for N Clair, corroding further in the magical girls' cases)

stoic fjord
#

Sunshower

faint pivot
#

Leaving yourself exposed would fall into this too I believe, like what EGO corrosion and some Awakenings like Sinclair's Doomsday Clock(?)

faint pivot
dusty sigil
#

I’ve always imagined negative coin as indicative of extreme mental instability

faint pivot
#

Yeah that's what it is

#

But we're narrowing down what they all trend towards when it comes to combat

dusty sigil
#

Since every negative coin ID either is insane (NClair) can go insane (the magical girls) or immensely suicidal (sunshower)

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And all the negative coin bosses are either distortions which don’t want to hurt us but do anyway or actively going insane due to the effects of a extreme body modification

stoic fjord
#

I was about to ask "so why Lantern Yi Sang?"

and then I remembered literally all of the point of the ID/abno

dusty sigil
#

Lantern Sang is in the suicidal section yah

dusty sigil
#

Because he’s not particularly unstable

#

But also only his counter is negative anyway so idk

bronze zephyr
#

oh lmao tf

atomic steeple
#

Oh inquisitor meur has minus coin

dusty sigil
#

Oh also BL Meursault but he’s preforming a move he actively wants to lose to draw his opponent in for a counter attack he also doesn’t count

dusty sigil
#

I have no idea why

#

Especially when N Corp has SP regen as a gimmick

wild mango
stoic fjord
dusty sigil
#

I mean yah

faint pivot
wild mango
gentle mulch
#

I'm wondering like

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why drop rodion to keep ring yi sang

#

which i get why

#

but that's the princess

#

you can't treat a princess like that

main scaffoldBOT
#

True!

dusty sigil
faint pivot
dusty sigil
#

I guess

faint pivot
#

The most sane of the bunch, Heathcliff, definitely ain't doing very well

#

I'm guessing his negative counter is a much more limited version of YMF/TCTB

#

Goading your foes with an opening only to take advantage of their positioning

#

If you've practiced stuff stupid yet proven effective like running towards machine gun fire by relying on your regen factor, hesitation is the enemy

#

"Enough...Victory is ours, the glorious dawn of a pure humanity is upon us...why must I waste my efforts on these heathens?"
-Nclair, rolling a whopping 0 on his skill 3

keen palm
stoic fjord
#

Canto 9 spoilers

wild mango
#

Ok actually really funny that Albina fausts bench passive is really good too

stoic fjord
wild mango
#

Hm, what exactly is the kk duo run for in the bleed team, isn’t it a lot of count infliction?

#

And kk ish’s nuke and heaths free attack

wild mango
#

Being a similar function to kk heaths free attack

#

And keep Ishmael

#

So it would be 3 core bloodfiends, 3 ring ids, kk ish?

stoic fjord
#

Iirc KK Ish and Heath in particular work better as a package deal

wild mango
#

Yeah her combat passive doesn’t do anything if it’s just her

stoic fjord
#

Personally I would run 4 bloodfiends and 3 ring IDs

wild mango
#

Then…

wild mango
#

Maybe nshu or awls Gregor?

stoic fjord
#

Uhhhh

stoic fjord
wild mango
#

Really it’s probably nshu for AOE encounters and awls Gregor for single target

#

Dropping the kk duo feels wild but I guess the new ring ids are similar functionality?

wild mango
cosmic gorge
#

KK ish and heath need another KK to do their stuff best

wild mango
cosmic gorge
#

and since every other KK before them had season 1 design...

wild mango
#

I’m just curious if they occupy the same space somewhat on the bleed team

stoic fjord
wild mango
#

Yeah

stoic fjord
#

Like, sure, but also holy shit this guy is on the Hong Lord juice

wild mango
#

Just trying to figure out if you’d be loosing something crucial by dropping the kk duo

cosmic gorge
#

if youre dropping one its best to drop both imo

#

load bearing heathmael IDs lmao

wild mango
stoic fjord
#

AFAIK, no

#

Some aura farming with Ishmael's S3 i guess??? Idk man I think you can theoretically push them out of bleed with the ring now

wild mango
#

Yeah

#

I was just thinking about that and wanted to ask

keen palm
#

I think personally that if you are fighting a single-part boss you probably still want the KK duo

keen palm
atomic steeple
bronze zephyr
#

@ebon forge

atomic steeple
#

It's a single player game, why worry about amcros?

eternal gull
#

it is very strange

#

theres literally no reason for it to matter

#

like if I want a support id at lv60 I could just friend someone

#

hmm

bronze zephyr
#

It disincentivizes using the gacha, if I had to guess

eternal gull
#

perhaps the grinding encourages people to spend

bronze zephyr
#

You can shard whatever you want, no need to ever pull

#

Yeah.

eternal gull
#

that would make sense

atomic steeple
#

truly a wing ceo, kjh

stoic fjord
#

Luckily for me, I'm a weird fucking freak who genuinely enjoys MD grinding

dusty sigil
#

Another gay or European video has hit limbus company

bronze zephyr
#

Ooh yeah I saw this one

cosmic gorge
faint pivot
#

Option 3 is unideal not only cause you get less money, it also retains players the least since you think less about the game overall

atomic steeple
#

Mirae life insurance killed

cosmic gorge
#

alright time to fight a windmill

bronze zephyr
#

19 hours until ID teaser,, so curious

atomic steeple
faint pivot
#

Mirae stands well as her own keypage though

#

Er, their leader, forgot if she was called Mirae

eternal gull
#

completed canto 8

#

im going to cry

#

waaahh

faint pivot
#

🫡

#

You've done well pal

bronze zephyr
#

c8 is prolly my fav

eternal gull
#

Now I only have

#

nine

faint pivot
#

Thank you for stepping in for Xichun

eternal gull
faint pivot
#

Hang in there you've got this

eternal gull
#

you cant make me

#

[HOPELESS]

faint pivot
#

Woe, 23 buffs upon ye

bronze zephyr
#

wait
intervallo next week
more event resources

#

yippee

faint pivot
#

Yepyep

#

Wait

#

SHIT I HAVEN'T CLEARED THE BOKGAK

#

shop

bronze zephyr
#

me neither 😔

faint pivot
#

scuse me

eternal gull
bronze zephyr
#

idc as much ab the cosmetics but ill be damned if i dont squeeze every exp ticket outta this thing

#

granted i only need 65 currency sjfsdfds

faint pivot
#

Question

#

Say I tear the KK duo apart and only run one

#

Ish, or Heath?

#

No other KKs

uneven canopy
bronze zephyr
#

hrm
if you have enough bleed count, ish, otherwise heath?

#

lmaooo

cosmic gorge
#

ish has her nuke, heath stabs people who hit your units

faint pivot
#

Humu

#

N Sang, N Ryo, Faubina, Manadon, Allegory, Reath

#

That isn't enough count for KKish is it

cosmic gorge
#

i dont think in terms of count bc i only ever play on MD and that gives me count for days

faint pivot
#

Wait

#

That's fair lmao

#

Just prepping for when PMoon adds the lux waves

#

I have poise pierce, so I'm just planning for N duo pierce

#

Slash is gonna be between Heishou & Burn with my goat Dawnclair

#

And I'll be doing Fridays and Saturdays with Envy Res & Tremor

tiny cave
#

@ebon forge

eternal gull
#

this is twice now

#

poor carmen is going to be carmade

#

local KJH has shot evil mad science lady

#

has become caramelmarmalade

keen palm
#

Its a single player game where everything can be grinded

#

However using macros to grind is specifically using cheat codes to get paid stuff for free

#

So I can see why they wouldnt want that

eternal gull
#

what is this... some kind of stain you cant wash out?

gentle mulch
#

i guess i can see why they're amping it up

#

but i do have to wonder what the internal metrics are like that it's cost effective to put time and money into that than just coasting off of the growth they're already seeing

lean fjord
#

I've found myself pretty comfortably maxing out most things with just the minimum mostly

#

It's just a matter of time

#

A lot of your income is just weeklies and events

#

I'm only missing like 12-ish Standard Fare IDs currently

#

And still have a couple hundred shard boxes I'm in no hurry to use

gentle mulch
#

Yeah doing the dailies, weeklies, and events already puts you on pace or ahead of the curve

eternal gull
#

every time an event comes by, wherever I was at I would be double that by the end of the month, XP, shards, identities and all.

gentle mulch
#

I guess that is still grinding in a sense but it is degrees less egregious than what people normally think of grinding

bronze zephyr
#

Mhm, I'm missing a few IDs I might want but as long as i can shard everything in a season plus change im happy

stoic fjord
faint pivot
#

Ah

stoic fjord
#

I don't actually have them tho so

#

I'm speaking based on what I've seen and heard

#

Not personal usage

faint pivot
#

Dw I'm just gathering food for thought

stoic fjord
faint pivot
#

My N Duo team isn't 100% pierce anyway if I'm bringing Faubina so

faint pivot
#

Since we just got two real hype bleed slashers

keen palm
#

Its better to run KK ish solo than KK heath

#

But the only thing she gives at that point is her count and SK3

atomic steeple
#

We need a doc of each team and its components
And keep updating it

uneven canopy
atomic steeple
faint pivot
atomic steeple
atomic steeple
faint pivot
#

They got a whole lot easier when Ange deduced that love isn't allowed in this workplace

atomic steeple
#

Anyway, I have been comfortably building my teams
Soon bleed will be complete, and I'll complete burn abd sinking
Leaving poise, rupture, tremor
Rupture I'll do next season

keen palm
#

i just made some BULLLLLLSHIIIITTTTTT!!!!!
all mod credit goes to tlgn0711 for the sinnerlings and derdertinnit for restaged (discord)
i used lethe to mod this gameplay
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atomic steeple
#

Anyway, back on Wuthering Heights too
Jesus that home is dysfunctional
Nelly had to hide hareton everyday, when his father arrived drunk
Said father complains about it abd how his son is ingrate, Child Abuse ||holds him on top of a stairway as a threat, then accidentally drops him but heath catches the kid||
"Nelly, why didn't you hide my kid from me when I arrived!? That's your job!"

#

Think I might put the leader of mirae life insurance to help hod

atomic steeple
#

Oh, life insurance is a debuffing mass attack, nice

#

Irina looks strong

#

There's this other gen reception guy who staggers himself for a massive damage attack, but needs a setup card first
If timed right, could have him hit a staggered enemy

atomic steeple
lean fjord
#

He has an amazing passive in Offensive Position though

#

And a couple of his pierce cards are alright

dusty sigil
#

Yah he’s worth it for offensive position alone

#

To bad his primary gimmick of self immobilization is really fucking bad

#

Losing a turn in Ruina is never worth it

lean fjord
#

And he doesn't even do the damage upfront like Overcharge

fickle crown
#

Imagine we get Bayard as a gen reception ID in Limbus' next Walp...

#

You think Outis would have him?

lean fjord
#

It could honestly work better as a gimmick in Limbus

fickle crown
#

Yeah, Heath already does it too

lean fjord
#

Just because we have seven slots instead of five

fickle crown
#

Plus self stagger means you drop an entire stagger bar

#

There's no stagger refill to restart the cycle like in ruina

#

If that's how it'll work anyways

#

I feel like people sleep on W Heath for that fact alone

lean fjord
#

Big health bar with no stagger after you do it once, yeah

fickle crown
#

Like unironically I get a little pissed seeing people complain about unbreakables when newer IDs have entire stagger prevention mechanics baked into them

lean fjord
#

Most of the newer unbreakables also don't stagger

#

Though it varies

#

But yeah I have much less issue with unbreakables now mostly

#

I still think they're kinda bullshit in canto 7 though

#

And 8 to a slightly lesser extent

atomic steeple
#

Canto 7 was suffering

fickle crown
#

Tbh 8's unbreakables are so goddamn dangerous because of the rupture buildup

#

Not because the coins themselves are an issue

lean fjord
#

Yeah that's what I meant

#

It's rough in those because of the Bleed and Rupture

#

This canto it was mostly fine

#

Because they have definitely also tuned down red coins a lot

#

Now most of the time reds deal reduced damage, don't inflict status, and in some cases can't stagger

fickle crown
#

Canto 9 makes up for it by forcing you to remember actual team building is an aspect of this game

lean fjord
#

It did definitely force you to have good IDs on everyone

#

And I strongly suspect we're gonna get a lot more of that going forward

#

With Malkuth in play now

fickle crown
#

Yeahhhh

#

I do wish they started adding the ability to forcibly level your IDs to the story's level

#

But then we wouldn't get absolute meme runs like level 1 morositas

lean fjord
#

It does make sense I think

#

Splitting the Sinners is super useful for both storytelling and gameplay

#

And might also continue to make team building for story more interesting

fickle crown
#

Also you can only borrow one ID, right?

lean fjord
#

Correct

#

Only one support ID

fickle crown
#

Augh...

#

That does remind me too, GOD the Pinky Nursefather was such a pain in the ass

#

RNGesus wanted me dead with the ass clashes I was getting

lean fjord
#

Tough fight yeah

fickle crown
#

No you misunderstand

#

I fucking got 5%ed on an EGO roll and lost the clash to her pride skill

lean fjord
#

Ooof

fickle crown
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That and literally nobody (even at max sanity further into the fight) was winning shit

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It felt

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Awful ngl

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Me when Lord Lu lowballs his S3 for the third time in a row

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This is not the first time it's happened too

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Mf consistently decided to miss the mark on his S3 multiple times against the last knight too...

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he rolled tails on the check

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I ended restarting anyways and as always, Full Stop Heath is a fucking insane check winner

stoic fjord
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I think my only canto 9 roadblock was the first Sora fight

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Everything else went smoothly

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The three roadblocks I have encountered so far with limbus

  1. Dongbaek
  2. Canto 7 final boss
  3. Sora
fickle crown
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Sora was actually fucking easy by comparison

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Then again I was running sinking so she like

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Didn't ever stay in her EGO state long enough to be a problem

stoic fjord
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So 4 of them

fickle crown
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Gregor was more annoying because of his fixed 50/50 rolls ngl

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"What if I rolled insanely high anyways lmao" the fight

vagrant dove
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Mine was Potential Man mainly because of the learning curve

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He was pretty alright once I figured out exactly how it all worked

fickle crown
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He's perfectly fine mechanics wise, I just got fucked up by RNG again haha

vagrant dove
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My Ouficliff and T Corp Rodya did struggle a little bit

keen palm
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Imagine parents teacher conference

-# #limbus company #valencina limbus company #lcb valencina #matthias limbus company #shiomi yoru limbus company #shiomi yoru lcb #project moon #rien limbus company #rien lcb #callisto limbus company #callisto #house of spiders #canto 9 #lcb yuri #yuri limbus company #is this considered a ship??? #nursefathers polyamorous relationship confirmed?!

gentle mulch
lean fjord
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yeah kind of

ebon forge
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No ban

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Level 1000 is normal

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They’re more about the level 5000 shits

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But seriously though, make the grind better if you’re going to do that pain

signal kindle
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Coming to think about it post canto 8 limbus company are in probably one of the stronger/est positions for a non wing corporation

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Not many could say “hey so basically we were crucial in installing a wings chief executive oh and on top of that we then taught her how to fight and she gets on well with the entire bus division”

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Albiet not many also have bus divisions but the point I think stands~

signal kindle
glad fable
signal kindle
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His name is Vergilius

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Every time I say red my next word is immediately guided

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I didn’t even get the chance to think about it

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Fucking hell

signal kindle
glad fable
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Maybe, but Limbus Company hired him so I don’t think it counts

gentle mulch
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MAKE LITERALLY ANYTHING THAT ISN'T MIRROR DUNGEON AS THE MAIN REPLAYABLE MODE

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i wish railway gave extra rewards on multiple clearsss

vagrant dove
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I don't use macros but tbh I don't blame people who do

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MD is a bit too grindey unfortunately

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Lile I appreciate the work that goes into making packs and the dungeon in general

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And I appreciate that it's better than other gachas

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But it's still not fun

gentle mulch
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My hot take is that MD should have stopped at 10 floors with some bells and whistles that MDIE has
and then hard pivot to something else that isn't MD

vagrant dove
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Even a typical five floor mdh run takes like

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45 minutes?

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And there's not much engagement beyond winrate

gentle mulch
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like 30+minutes if you're focused and use hard hitting IDs

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but if you're just winrating yeah

vagrant dove
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I think the thing is that the structure of the dungeon encourages winrate

gentle mulch
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people like doing solos! give me a mode that supports solos

vagrant dove
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Like it's a repetitive task

gentle mulch
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Give me mass chain battle luxcavations!

vagrant dove
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So people obviously default to the button

gentle mulch
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the replayable mode should not be built to be winrated
the grindy mode yeah definitely, which MD is

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but if I actually want to play the game i want a mode that makes me actually play

vagrant dove
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Story content fucks because it encourages you to think

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I love limbus combat when it gets you to play the game

gentle mulch
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story content does it best and it is also the platform that gets the most experimental shit because it's when new mechanics release

vagrant dove
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I do think we need more non-story modes

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That encourage people to Play

gentle mulch
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WE NEED MORE NOJ STORY SHIT

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you know what we need?

vagrant dove
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Because otherwise the game becomes a chore

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And chores aren't fun