Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[stoic fjord]

I have found a happy medium for MD farming

Fell Bullet is a bit finnicky at the start and gets frustrating

most teams are too slow to call it farming

however

I've figured it out

say hello to burn with a shitload of AoE (I also have some E.G.Os supplementing it!)

[cosmic gorge]

oh yeah beesault

i should level him

i leveled Faryo

[keen palm]

Pandora I'm glad you're enjoying yourself but I don't think you need to post every page of Wonderlab as you read it

[atomic steeple]

Okay

Though it's more the pages I liked the most

Gonna restrict more

Guessing rose is high fortitude and justice?

[stray sleet]

I forgot how much I liked Catt

[bronze zephyr]

maybe i should read wonderlab

i think i tried to a bit ago and ended up not continuing for some reason

[stoic fjord]

it feels like a 50/50 if hornetsault does amazing damage or dogshit damage for me rn and idk why

probably conditionals

[atomic steeple]

I like shasha
Buys pizza everytime they scold the team

So
Does scaredy cat not breach without an oz abno? Is it a package deal with road home like yin and yang?

[cosmic gorge]

question

[faint pivot]

Hm, I guess Binah's referring to the EGO gear inheritance mechanic then, cause otherwise why are they extracting EGO straight from the Well?

[cosmic gorge]

for my Sinking Tremor MD team, which two sinking teammates do i keep and which do i slot out for tremor? (edgreg, wildcliff, SL sang and Kodya)

(for context, i got hanafishda, uadjat outis and Faryo on lock)

[lean fjord]

regrettably, probably Greg and Huntcliff

SL is too important, and KoDya too good

[cosmic gorge]

mmhmm
replacing one of them with regret faust

but uhhh

idk who the second tremor sinner should be

[faint pivot]

My agents decked out head to toe in gifts:

[stoic fjord]

perhaps caposault

[faint pivot]

My personal pick is Caposault for Simor

If there was another, more consistent AoE burster though I'd choose them for FARyo

[bronze zephyr]

Hana Ishmael, LCA Outis, FAS Ryoshu, Thumbsault, Thumbclair, Kodya, Butler Faust?

[faint pivot]

But sadly only Regret Faust is the other AoE burster

[cosmic gorge]

simor?

[faint pivot]

Sinking Tremor

[cosmic gorge]

i already have all three

[faint pivot]

Yeah I'm replying to this

[stoic fjord]

teeeechnically

[cosmic gorge]

oh okay brain short circuited

[faint pivot]

Thumbclair doesn't build FARyo as fast

[cosmic gorge]

Simor with a splash of burn then ahaha

[stoic fjord]

Caposault gets +2 attack weight on the skill that consumes his last tigermark

:3

[cosmic gorge]

actually question

do you lose starlight if you go to an MD shop and change one sinner to another or

[faint pivot]

Hence "other AoE burster"

[stoic fjord]

oh

wait

yeah I'ms tupid lmao

[faint pivot]

It's Cost not starlight

[stoic fjord]

if you mean the beginning bonus

I don't think so

[faint pivot]

It's alright tupid we all feel that way sometimes

[cosmic gorge]

yeah this one
oh nice

[faint pivot]

Ah yea that's kept

[cosmic gorge]

so in theory i can slot all the ones i dont use to get the beginning bonus

and then just swap em out

for the ones i can spam

[faint pivot]

Hm

I have a sneaking suspicion that it works differently? Since I'd be doing that too? But I'm not?

[cosmic gorge]

ok im less worried about reusing certain sinners for certain MD comps haha

[faint pivot]

Give it a shot anyway

For science

[stoic fjord]

maybe I'm bourgeoisie with my 2500 starlight but I honestly don't think a little bit extra amounts to much here

[faint pivot]

Face the fear, make build the future

[faint pivot]

We repeat MD

[cosmic gorge]

dang
uhhh
ughhh

i dunno if i wanna replace greg

[faint pivot]

We are outliers lmao

[cosmic gorge]

he has the Sad Horse Collab EGO

[stoic fjord]

we're weird as fuuuck

[cosmic gorge]

which is good for tremor teams

[faint pivot]

Could slot in Allegory instead

[cosmic gorge]

hmmmm

also, blue sand counts as a different tremor type and doesnt convert existing stacks right

my worry is splashing too much tremor types

[faint pivot]

Yea

[stoic fjord]

I have more fucking starlight than lunacy

[cosmic gorge]

which is why i am hesitant to use caposalt or allegory

[stoic fjord]

isn't there a gift that allows entanglement

[faint pivot]

Hanafish is the only one that converts in that team

And hers only switches if it's just base tremor

[faint pivot]

That still relies on getting a switch every turn

[atomic steeple]

Finding nothing there fics but the grammar sucks

[cosmic gorge]

the grammer is
not there

[stoic fjord]

https://klipy.com/gifs/david-martinez-mag-dump

I kinda want to make the friendly fire maxxing team

Reindeers, Middle, and FB Yi Sang

[cosmic gorge]

ah screw itt

im using Sad Horse EGO on the burn tremor team not the sinking tremor team
time to have an awkward conversation on the bench, edgreg and wildcliff

wait no edgreg passive sucks ass

[bronze zephyr]

true

[cosmic gorge]

base greg it is for the bench

gotta say

wildcliff bench passive is pretty good

[lean fjord]

It's great yeah

[stoic fjord]

it's beautiful... so... beautiful...

ahhhahaha

I'm complete

now I am free of the nagging double status

I can grind for the actual seasonal IDs

[fluid whale]

bleed extras are pequods, burn extras are magic bullet and firefist?

[stoic fjord]

likely

though I might go for Cinq Don?

probably MB tho yeah

[fluid whale]

not having a second poise burn unit means there's no triple you can do, sadly

[cosmic gorge]

what does the big plant even do in the Fairy Gentleman fight

[stoic fjord]

yeah.....

soon

perhaps

VALENCIRODION PLEASE SAVE ME

[fluid whale]

gives attack power and healing boost I think? but by that point you'll have broken the arm anyway so it's a wash

[stoic fjord]

yo this guy lowk only a little washed

this some good-ass damage

[faint pivot]

Who

[stoic fjord]

Pequods for Ishmael slot 1 getting the whale heart fusion gift benefit

[stoic fjord]

Gripclair

[stoic fjord]

Meursault goes in slot 2 as he's my other main carry, or at least that's the intent

gripclair can get slot 3 because I figure it's probably a decent enough slot

my only concern is like, managing Sinclair's SP

which is why I've added LCB Hong Lu to my team backups for once I have him throwing out nothing but S3s

THIS BOY GOT MENTAL ILLNESS BUT HE STILL PUTTING OUT STRAIGHT HEAT 🗣️ 🔥

[stoic fjord]

holy shit the festive plushie was made for gripclair

[fickle crown]

Rags:

[stoic fjord]

WAIT YOU'RE RIGHT I SHOULD GET RAGS

[eternal berry]

Doesn’t Rags only work for Sinking IDs

[stoic fjord]

iirc it provides a damage bonus but works for all minus coin IDs

[eternal berry]

They don’t

[stoic fjord]

fr? fuck

[eternal berry]

Yeah, gotta apply Sinking with your skills to benefit

[fluid whale]

yeah Lowest Star works with nclair but Rags doesn't

it's exclusively for Potential Man and Homeless Man

temporal bridle is also a good pickup for Nclair

[faint pivot]

Que

Is potential man someone other than homeless man

[fluid whale]

Sunshower and Wild Hunt

I was being cheeky

[fickle crown]

Wait does it also work on KoDya?

[eternal berry]

Well yeah but she doesn’t have any problems getting her sanity low

[fluid whale]

huh, it does

I mean it is free +howevermuch% damage for being under 15 SP

although I think it pushes her up above the threshold if she wins a turn 1 clash with her defense skill at 0 SP

[cosmic gorge]

Putting Kodya in Potential Man's stinky raincoat because the subsequent self-esteem depletion makes her stab better, probably

Putting Gripclair in Heath's sad fit because the rage of being in Heath's clothing evokes a cross-mirror world spite to hit things harder, maybe

[stoic fjord]

Fuck there are genuinely so few gifts for the minus coiners

Gripclair left to fend for himself with 5 paralyze at 45 SP

[glad fable]

So why is he called potential man anyway? As far as I can tell there isn’t any potential in his kit

[bronze zephyr]

It's based on a meme from the JJK fandom iirc; It's because hypothetically he has raelly high damage but the conditionals are absurd i think?

i may be thinking of a diff id

he has a really weird kit that isn't very good sdfjksd

[lean fjord]

Not anymore, but back when he was new people really wanted to make him work

[bronze zephyr]

Mhm

[glad fable]

Ah, I see

[glad fable]

Is it his skill 2 that’s theoretically good?
https://limbuscompany.wiki.gg/wiki/Lobotomy_E.G.O::Sunshower_Heathcliff

[faint pivot]

Canto 9 spoilers, but this Vrodya is awesome
||https://youtu.be/oIU3Ie-v80Y?si=uHVFBEuKAuHUeV0j||

[split beacon]

There was back in the day when, theoretically, if you hit all tails he’d fuck on current level enemies

The problem was that you had no way of getting his SP to go down at will, he’d gain SP when winning clashes so lmao, and the only reliable way to force him to work was self-paralysis or willfully taking hits to trigger his self-Sinking buildup

Kodya is essentially potential man realized, a negative coin ID which can put itself at -40 and stay there without corroding or healing SP randomly, who absolutely trounces contemporary enemies and has astounding clash potential

[faint pivot]

I'm guessing his passive wasn't enough, oof

[faint pivot]

It's so funny to me how L Corp. and S Corp. have their own bloody ass names and then K Corp's just, K-Corp

[bronze zephyr]

LMAO

[atomic steeple]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/60958687
Faust corrodes the abuse victim ego

[minor gust]

JOKES ON YOU YESOD THAT SHIT MEANS NOTHING TO ME

[faint pivot]

Liveblog this session

Please

It'll be very funny

[minor gust]

i restarted lol, namless fetus fucked me up and ate my highest agent and Nothing there ego

im reversing to pick someone else next time

[mint cliff]

DO I LOOK LIKE I KNOW WHAT A JPEG IS???

[minor gust]

ive played elden ring and re2r at potato settings this means nothing to me yesod

[eternal gull]

stop white boy stop

[atomic steeple]

https://www.tumblr.com/mafusamsa/807096577921630208/censored-fight-in-limbus-company-but-all-your

wasting company funds on yuri

censored fight in limbus company but all your sinners drop to -45 sanity and die instantly upon seeing it and its just an impossible fight

-# #limbus company #lobotomy corporation #its still censored on your screen to prevent you from going insane irl but its not censored for everyone in the game!! good luck!!!!!!! #zazazazazamuza ramblings

Tumblr · Jan 29, 2026, 5:21 PM

[tiny cave]

Unrelenting and ego corrosions making it possible

[gentle mulch]

ego corrosion fight would be interesting

massive buff to health and just corroding every other turn and seeing who falls first

[eternal gull]

I kinda want the heishou packs id's

but im a season too late

when could I acquire them again?

[cosmic gorge]

next season

[atomic steeple]

Oh, minus coin mimicry greg
https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1frapf8/mimicry_gregor/

huh, someone made a neat fansong for Nothing There
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUyCkEGynOg

[stoic fjord]

I wonder who it'll be for our next walp

[hybrid lynx]

the same guy made songs for other alephs and the midnights

my fav is melting love's

the ending bit devastates me

[stoic fjord]

the burn bleed team is simultaneously really fun and painful

painful because my setup deadass has overt anti-synergy

fun because fuck these IDs are cool

[stoic fjord]

I might have to make a setup with middle ishmael and have it be an attempt at envy res fusion

[stoic fjord]

watching captain ishmael heal NClair's SP by like 10 because I tried to get some poise for the other pequod IDs:

[atomic steeple]

Well, bad end ryoshu is likely to be poise burn bleed

[stoic fjord]

I can't wait to build poise burn bleed tremor eventually

it has to happen

[atomic steeple]

I think bleed tremor or bleed charge will be a big thing in canto 10

[gentle mulch]

need an updated list for viable triple statuses if they've changed

[atomic steeple]

the put nails and hammer them thing works perfectly for the bleed tremor type

And squeezing out people's blood or building up some sort of bioelevtricity from stolen memories both fit n corp

Kromer had electricity on her arm

[stoic fjord]

W - Poise. X - Bleed. Y - Tremor. Z - Burn
WXZ - Theoretical Bad End Ryoshu
WXZ - Pequod Ishmael
WYZ - Theoretical Valencina Rodion
YZ - Caposault
WX - Poise Bleed Unit
XZ -

nevermind

I'm not processing with enough bandwidth to do this rn

[gentle mulch]

tremor season in canto 10
look inside
it's burn season

[atomic steeple]

Also, n corp is totally focusing on lust resonance too

[stoic fjord]

I highkey wouldn't even be that surprised if they went batshit insane and made bad end ryoshu omni-status

[atomic steeple]

lust resonance team!

Plus probably making enemies weaker to lust

[gentle mulch]

if we get an omnistatus id or a no status id im instapulling

[stoic fjord]

dawg if I see Bad End Ryo don't got statuses I know that shit has to be fucked up beyond belief

[gentle mulch]

exactly

[stoic fjord]

if this is in a good way or a bad way, no fucking clue, but I'd hazard a guess to "oh. oh wow that. hrm."

[atomic steeple]

"Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power"
"Think Araya, think!"

[gentle mulch]

"i have no idea what they're cooking but im tasting it anyways"

[stoic fjord]

"This kit is so good I could die!"
"This kit is so bad I could die!"

[faint pivot]

What's Unrelenting?

[lean fjord]

Don't die when you drop to 0

Like Hong Lord

[faint pivot]

Ah

Uh

I'm

[stoic fjord]

I love how Hong Lord is simultaneously the most fragile ID ever and the hardest to kill ID ever

like

3 stagger bars, 198 HP

[faint pivot]

99% sure you wouldn't wanna

Be around after CENSORED does what it does

Y'know

[stoic fjord]

but also he has a free "I survive this" and then also the thing from TotTB on top of that

[faint pivot]

What with just two of its minions making it impossible to not go insane

[stoic fjord]

maybe I'm underestimating it but I'm not even sure Hong Lu would go full panic considering what he saw prior

[faint pivot]

Don't forget the option to use DimShredder

[gentle mulch]

I think Hong Lord gets a free second life

[faint pivot]

To Remain Oneself is cool and all but woe
Three lives upon thee

[gentle mulch]

And then he can also heal from ToTB

[stoic fjord]

like yes the experience traumatized him but he didn't like. full lob corp panic type panic

[faint pivot]

One from Hong Lord being Hong Lord, another from ToTB, and a third from DimShred

[gentle mulch]

yeah

like

stupidly hard to kill glass bones man

[faint pivot]

The opposite of brittle

[stoic fjord]

and like

after the heal

he's got no stagger bars anymore

[faint pivot]

Soft as all hell but good luck being last one standing

[gentle mulch]

and if you have healing EGOs even better

[stoic fjord]

and if you were around for Arknights Faust can genuinely crank out free healing because the heishou team has everything she needs in spades

[gentle mulch]

yeah

[faint pivot]

As a kid too

[gentle mulch]

i can attest that if you can generate some gluttony she just spams it

[stoic fjord]

Mao Faust genuinely injecting the equivalent of straight K Corp ampules into Hong Lord

[gentle mulch]

I'd love for that shit to happen like some crazy sanity breaking abno pops off and Hong Lu is like

"I've felt worse"

and starts fighting anyways

[faint pivot]

We've sorta gotten a taste via the toad

[stoic fjord]

Hong Lu is immune to the horrors beyond his comprehension because

1. they're not beyond his comprehension
2. he saw worse shit when he was like. five years old.

[stoic fjord]

huh?

[gentle mulch]

blubbering toad

[stoic fjord]

ohhhhhh

wait is he less affected by it or something?

I don't remember having encountered it prior

[gentle mulch]

iirc observation logs

[atomic steeple]

Lol endurance, high pain threshold that keeps him going

[stoic fjord]

ahhhh ok

...is Hong Lu the only base LCB sinner with a passive that regens SP?

[gentle mulch]

can't say for sure because one of my blind spots is in fact obv logs

[stoic fjord]

I know both his passive and combat passive regen SP

[gentle mulch]

i rarely read that shit ngl

uhh

I'd have to check

[lean fjord]

Yi Sang kind of

He only restores if they lost SP IIRC

[keen palm]

I am not crazy right, they didn't add the luxcavation waves yet

[faint pivot]

No

[gentle mulch]

instead of ut5 i wish they upscaled the passives to be better
like
"Restore SP for units that have lost SP and do not have Minus Coin Base Skills"

[lean fjord]

Ideally it will do that as well

[gentle mulch]

Also yeah i thought the lux thing was last update but apparently not

[minor gust]

yesid THERAPIZED

[faint pivot]

Congrats!

How was the sightseeing btw

Still held up to your expectations?

[cloud wadi]

Embrace the past

March towards the future

[faint pivot]

Is that the LobCorp slogan reworded or

[minor gust]

EASY AS HELL THOUGH GREED ABNO BREACHED BUT NO DEATHS, CONSIDERING I HAD ARMY IN BLACK

....should i be worried

[atomic steeple]

oh dear

You better have an agent that can tank the sanity and black damage

[cloud wadi]

Censored honestly isn’t bad for an aleph

Relatively easy to keep calm

And relatively easy to contain

The instant kill lottery is scary but you can often just let it breach

And then just crush it with level 5 employees

[minor gust]

fuck me, nearly killed my best agent, but suceeded

[cloud wadi]

As long as they are resistant to white damage they’ll be fine

[minor gust]

his ego suit was mimicry i thin

black

its black

[cloud wadi]

Censored does massive amount of white damage the first time agents see it

I think

[fluid whale]

It does ||special panic effects based on level||

[cloud wadi]

Mmm

[fluid whale]

No actual white damage involved iirc

[quartz sun]

||Anyone under level 5 is instantly panicked. Level 5 agents I think just take instant 60% of their sanity.||

[faint pivot]

Good shit, thank you for the meal

[faint pivot]

Spoils a managerial tip

[faint pivot]

Iirc there's only...two? Things that do multiple damage types at the same time

[faint pivot]

Easier said than done

[quartz sun]

Sorry, saw someone spoiler tag something about it so thought I should have.

[faint pivot]

Especially with
a.) How few those are at this point of the learning curve
b.) That fucker ||causing insta-panic with only a pair of goons with it|| (managerial tip spoiler)

[faint pivot]

Oh it's all good

Just think it's best to specify what the spoiler's spoiling to be safe

(Which is what I did, to clarify, no need to delete it)

[stoic fjord]

so when we use an ID

it's like

actually them, yeah?

how the fuck do we get N Corp inquisitors to kill other N Corp inquisitors

[keen palm]

IDs have a sorta magical disposition towards Dante and Dante then has to sit down and convince every one to work with the company

[gentle mulch]

yes kinda

it's like

[faint pivot]

They're gaslit to see them as opponents (i.e. as defectors)

Or identity thefts

[gentle mulch]

IDs are a mirror world self superimposed over the regular sinners in a relatively loose sense (that develops with uptie), and the ID selves' connections are modified in a way that they retain some functional facets of the regular sinners (listens to dante or something) and also go through as much cognitive dissonance as possible to justify listening to Dante/completing the mission

[stoic fjord]

"yoooo this guy with the clock head is kinda chill lowk"
-NClair

[stoic fjord]

that would make sense

[cosmic gorge]

i think the ncorp ids think its a mask

or are told it is

and they believe it

[keen palm]

They think it's a helmet

[stoic fjord]

I imagine this process was probably easiest with the H Corp IDs, since. y'know. they listen to Hong Lord due to the heishou leash thing

[stoic fjord]

the dimensions are not suitable for that 😭

must gullible people in the city

[keen palm]

Space manipulation

[stoic fjord]

shit you're right

NClair just rolled 4 heads on -25 SP

I'm going to kill this stupid little bitch

he can't fucking do anything right

my stupid chud son that I hate

sorry I'm tweaking rn

[faint pivot]

The notes update is a bit small but it's peam

[gentle mulch]

yelling at nclair like no wonder your sign is disappearing you sane mf

[stoic fjord]

I just got through two runs straight where I got cetacean heart but not town protecting harpoon

[gentle mulch]

alco chat i have a question, are there any EGOs in general that i should be bringing to UT4?

[stoic fjord]

so I'm a little heated at my constant fucking resets

[stoic fjord]

erm actually it's threadspin, not uptie 🤓

[gentle mulch]

okay bubsy try to erm actually nclair into working /silly

[atomic steeple]

N corp fanatics think the clock is a mask

[faint pivot]

Depends on what team

Oh you mean in general

Uhhh

[stoic fjord]

genuinely vaguely tempted to bring Fell Bullet E.G.O on Pequodsang just so I can fucking shoot NClair

[faint pivot]

Glass cannon means free ammo

[faint pivot]

Still depends on the team cause your EGO is useless if you can't fuel it

[gentle mulch]

heres my full roster

[stoic fjord]

"glass cannon" he has the third highest HP on my team

it's not about effectiveness it's about fucking blowing a golf-ball sized hole in his torso when he rolls heads on his S3

[gentle mulch]

if you fail to perform our handler yi sang will shoot you

[stoic fjord]

what the fuck is this korean bit

[split beacon]

300 lunacy

[minor gust]

TOOK ME THREE TIRES

HOD JFC YOUR MECHANICSS

CONSIDEIRNG MELTDOWN TARGETED CENSORED SPECIFCIALLY

[atomic steeple]

I can see kris from deltarune with Regret and Mimicry, but not sure what they'd wear in-between

[minor gust]

netzach waseasier surpsingly

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah hod is probably the hardest of the upper layer, tho her reward is by far the best of them imo

[quartz sun]

Doesn't one of the tools more or less render her gimmick useless?

[stoic fjord]

I am not aware of any tool abnos strong enough to offset -30 to every stat for every employee in your facility

[atomic steeple]

You must be happy, maybe

[quartz sun]

Yeah that one

I hear a lot that people use that to just kind of ignore Hod's thing.

[stoic fjord]

ohhhh wait yeah

I've never used it lol

I just brute forced Hod

[atomic steeple]

https://illiaccrest.tumblr.com/post/776335751012089856/finally-playing-library-of-ruina-and-im-really

Superpowered Ferret Fighters

Finally playing Library of Ruina and I'm really fascinated by the way nearly every single character immediately clocks Angela as being a robot. I wonder how robotic she looks? 🤔

-# #it's actually kind of neat since so often in anime style games #characters kind of ignore that robot characters are...well robots #Angela seems to almost be giving people uncanny valley vibes and I love that #p moon makes such neat female characters I'm loving it #I'm way more interested in Angela and Carmen than Ayin or Roland #even though Roland is also cool #library of ruina #ruina angela #project moon

Tumblr · Feb 24, 2025, 4:31 AM

[main scaffold]

Love her so much 🥺

[atomic steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0dqpu6-ReU

[vagrant dove]

I genuinely think Angela might be one of the best characters in gaming

her lobcorp-ruina arc is so good

[atomic steeple]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1ry0f87/nightmares_respite_a_rodion_x_gregor_comic/

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/zena-library-of-ruina-gif-8437025763174654679

[mystic ermine]

Oh yeah

[atomic steeple]

So the railway around the city is high speed

[cloud wadi]

Gotta be yeah

[vagrant dove]

Must be, otherwise it'd take ages

Although Z-corp being located on a giant slowly moving train would be fire

[mint elk]

If you want your trip to take ages, there's always the WARP train.

[atomic steeple]

It is said in wonderlab

[vagrant dove]

Whenever I see a character get on a WARP train in like, other PM media it always makes me do the walter white shouting at hank thing

[atomic steeple]

Distortion Detective

[vagrant dove]

That portion in DD made me so tense

[atomic steeple]

I don't quite understand Home abno card
Do I need to calculate how the clashes will go?

[gentle mulch]

you could use unopposed attacks too

[atomic steeple]

Wonderlab:
"I'm living day by day without a thought"

[atomic steeple]

Hookah caterpillar
So from what I got, ||the insight works make it take on aspects of the people. Repression work is based on self-rejection, which when done after fattening it on insight work, leads to a big energy harvest and a rampage||
Is that it?

[faint pivot]

The what now

This Abno is not coming up on the wiki

Oh Wonderlab nvm

[cloud wadi]

About right I think

It takes on the guilt and negative self image of the worker

Which is why ||it looks like Rose as a smug, rich, and idle socialite to Rose||

[atomic steeple]

Huh
Catt is spooked off by Taii and Rose caring about them

[cloud wadi]

While Taii ||who lives without guilt or shame only can see it as a weird caterpillar||

One of the earlier signs that ||Taii is an egotist||

[faint pivot]

Spoilers for canto 9
||https://youtu.be/_TcgQI57PN8?si=XxknP-mc6n7yO2sy||

She really overestimated her chances, huh

||Val only wins if the sinners not only bum tf out, but feed||

[atomic steeple]

So that's how hokma speaks of the soul

[atomic steeple]

I think I've mentioned it before, but if not: we have to do at least one Memory Repository in order to clear the game, since otherwise it's impossible to do both Binah and Hokma's meltdowns in one run. Without that Repository, one of them would unlock at the start of day 46, and we can't do any more Core Suppressions from day 46 onward.
Dang, so Censored won't be kept for long

[vagrant dove]

reminds me of platonic forms in some ways

[stoic fjord]

so close to completion... yet so far...

[faint pivot]

Valodya will jumpstart a new Triple status, trust

Hopefully whomever takes Albina and Callisto will help Blarture too cause I'm still iffy on boosting Rhinosault

[fluid whale]

I am sure we'll get at least an Albina, and I am way less sure we're getting Valencina, Matthias or Callisto at all

Because there is a certain baseline of morality or exploration they tend to have to base IDs on and they don't want to imply bad things being done by mirror world sinners

[main scaffold]

Please Valencina I need a tremor scorch ID to make up for my lack of Thumbclair

[fluid whale]

Which, beating on Textbook, splitting Kira, and killing Rien's family are all precluding factors

[main scaffold]

Because there is a certain baseline of morality or exploration they tend to have to base IDs on and they don't want to imply bad things being done by mirror world sinners
Uh

The first season gave half the sinners an n corp inquisiton ID

[fluid whale]

I'm talking in terms of why we don't have Hindley or Dongrang IDs

[main scaffold]

Ahh

[fluid whale]

And yeah, I get it, but there is a much less direct evil between "being part of the crusade" and "beating up another kid out of jealousy for the length of a childhood"

[split beacon]

We’ll know the moment we have Albina and Lucio IDs tbh

Either they’ll name the Nursefathers of that world and we’ll know we’re getting them, or they won’t and we won’t

I think we’re getting a Matthias Outis for sure

[stoic fjord]

Rien Sang keeps people in his basement to torture and kill

iirc

[split beacon]

The point isnt like a measure of morality really

It’s whether Project Moon wants to directly implicate the Sinners in specific thematically heavy acts

[stoic fjord]

yeah that's fair

[split beacon]

Do they WANT Rodion to be a child abuser? Is that too far?

Imo having Rien Sang means they’re willing to go all the way; Rien’s form of abuse is one of the worst, worse than hitting a kid probably

That’s not minimization or apologetics either, just acknowledging that physically striking children forces them to live in a hellscape where there’s no proportion of misdeed to punishment and they can be harmed physically by the people they have no choice but to trust, and yet

Rien took everything from Sora

She has no childhood, no self, no past or future

And that was just to create a convenient tool for him

What he did to Sora was unfathomably monstrous

If we’re cool with saying Yi Sang could do that to Don Quixote, that it’s within his character, I think we have to be cool with Rodya beating her adopted son probably lol

[stoic fjord]

which, yeah, he 110% did in fact do all that

even if her mannerisms are slightly different outwardly, Don is just as damaged as Sora is

[split beacon]

Maybe worse

[fluid whale]

See I think you can get away with letting the fan base draw their own conclusions on that part in particular, and you cannot get away with it for Valencina or Matthias

Simply because of the emotional response from the fanbases the Sinners already have

Because we're not just talking about you or I, us enlightened scholars of the City and story implications /s

We're talking about the wide world of anyone who likes Limbus, and giving people immediate, direct linkage to "they got your man's on child abuse charges" is almost guaranteed to rankle people

[main scaffold]

We still think N Faust is bad enough on her own to dispute this

[quaint cliff]

bro resonated with MoSB for a second there

[gentle mulch]

appropriate reaction to the head showing up with an arbiter

[faint pivot]

Manager of La Manchaland:

Hong Lord:

[fluid whale]

Okay but you see how those can be reconciled as noble, right?

There is a greater, externalized Bad Thing that they are opposed to and by virtue of that bad thing, forced into doing these things

[keen palm]

Hook Fixer Hong Lu

Cook Gregor and Ryoshu

[fluid whale]

I am not saying "they shy away from IDs doing bad things at all"

[keen palm]

Captain Ishmael

[fluid whale]

I'm sorry for not being specific enough in my initial message

[keen palm]

I don't think they'd shy away from IDs being particularly evil or abusive

We already have Ring IDs, Callisto and Albina aren't much special

[fluid whale]

I am saying "they don't want to say 'hey there Fan Of X Character, what if they did child abuse? what if they sold out their friends to the cops?' because that way leads to Bad Outcomes"

[keen palm]

Like Outis gives a B+ to someone who cut their child's arms off for a sculpture

and Shi Gregor straight up decapitates a child

[fluid whale]

Gregor is legitimately like, ruthless in a lot of his mirror worlds, that is at least consistent

[main scaffold]

No the reason for not having a sinner sell people out to cops is that Michelle already did that

OddDirective (he/him) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) I am saying "they don't want to say 'hey there Fan Of X Character, what if they did child abuse? wha…

[keen palm]

We already have a Nursefather ID out and more confirmed

I'd be confused if they didn't go all the way with it because the bad guys they made were too evil for them

[fluid whale]

I am saying there is A Line where they don't make IDs out of a character

[keen palm]

Is there?

[fluid whale]

I mean, we don't have a Dongrang, we don't have a Hindley

We fight both of those characters in the story

[keen palm]

I don't think that's any particular moral standpoint though

We have IDs for characters way worse than that

Like yeah, Lord Hong Lu wants to essentially launch a genocidal war

[main scaffold]

I guess Odd is saying that we don't have IDs of peopel who do awful things in a way that people can relate to...? Though I don't know how Dongrang fits into that

[fluid whale]

Dongrang IRL defected to North Korea

And yes, that's exactly what I'm saying Rose, there is an unreality to many of the things these IDs are doing in their uptie stories

[keen palm]

I think the reason we don't have a Dongrang ID is because they wanted to give Spicebush to Yi Sang and didn't want him to get upstaged in his canto by someone else

[cosmic gorge]

You know what would be deeply funny

[fluid whale]

You cannot create that unreality with "the only thing I love more than drinking is throwing the bottles at Lucio" Valencina

[keen palm]

Fanghunt Hong Lu just loves doing racist hate crimes though

[cosmic gorge]

If Rien sang is the only NF we get

[keen palm]

T Corp are just evil time cops and we have like 4 IDs of them

[cosmic gorge]

The others are butler sinclair'd

[main scaffold]

Yeah, we have a lot of IDs that are people being horribly racist/classist

[keen palm]

I feel like at the very least Middle Outis is confirmed by giving her the envy ego

It'd be kinda insane to not give her that

[main scaffold]

Also yeah half of T Rodion's uptie story is her extorting an inventor and then happily beating up a bunch of poor people
https://limbuscompany.wiki.gg/wiki/T_Corp._Class_2_Collection_Staff_Rodion/Identity_Story

[keen palm]

I do think we should have gotten Hindley Rodion

[fluid whale]

Personally I just don't think they can square the circle
Either the IDs aren't like the NFs they're emulating or they are too close and then the fans are upset

saying "yeah Outis would cut ishmael in half for tactical advantage" or "yeah Rodya would beat Heathcliff into submission" is Not Good

[keen palm]

Outis suggested throwing Sinclair out of the bus while he was having a panic attack because she thought he sucked

[main scaffold]

I 100% believe Outis would do that in any mirror world

[fluid whale]

so what do you do? tone down the things they do? then why are they the Middle Nursefather and Thumb Nursefather?

[keen palm]

They already primed us to know the Sinners suck and are awful people

[fluid whale]

Yes, they are, but would everyone who plays Limbus Company, for any reason be okay with it

because that's the audience Project Moon has to think about

[keen palm]

She also specified not kicking him off the team but actually bodily tossing him from the bus

while in motion

I think anyone who wants a Nursefather ID wants to see the cool abusive dads we fought

[main scaffold]

Also again, N Faust exists

[cosmic gorge]

Yeah pretty much
Its how we the audience are primed to expect them wearing the skins of some deeply evil bastards

[fluid whale]

I guess I'm simply naive and seeing patterns where they don't exist, is what it comes down to

[stoic fjord]

highkey that isn't even out of character for Outis, we see as much in LCB Check-up

[cosmic gorge]

But also the thought of bluepurple balling us with Middle Outis getting B.S.'d is funny

[stoic fjord]

also, it's possible that they tone those aspects down a little for certain nursefathers

[gentle mulch]

also yeah outis repeatedly talks about sacrificing people like nonstop

[stoic fjord]

though given Rien Sang, ehhhhh I kinda doubt this one

[gentle mulch]

though i think this case may be interesting

[fluid whale]

again, not out of character, I agree

do we remember how we reacted to matthias during part 3

[gentle mulch]

since it's like. 5 sinners and their direct subject of abuse and or abuse of a single specific sinner

[keen palm]

I do think people overreact to the Matthias bifurcation a bit tbqh

[cosmic gorge]

I dislike him before that

[fluid whale]

Of course they do, it's a double betrayal of expectations

both from the audience who thought he was a cool loser and from within the actual narrative, to Kira

[cosmic gorge]

The cute girl attempted murder is gauche in comparison to him reminding me of my foolish aunts and uncles who are raising spoiled ipad babies

[stoic fjord]

In retrospect, it's honestly not truly worse than anything the other nursefathers do, it was just most shocking in the moment because it hit without us being prepared

[fluid whale]

see I'm holding this double thought in my heart

[gentle mulch]

it's uniquely terrible because he bisected kira who is awesome so he's wrong and damnable forever

[stoic fjord]

Does Renclair mention anything about physical violence or is it only verbal abuse that's mentioned wrt the thumb apprentice?

[gentle mulch]

i do not recall, let me check

[fluid whale]

1. project moon wants profit, they want to create full teams and they haven't shown signs of slowing that down
2. project moon genuinely created abusive characters and have shied away from Real Shit in the past

the obvious answer is to disregard 2 but I can't, because it feels contrary to what they stand for

[stoic fjord]

||Bro did all that just to get a hole blown through his chest and the top of his skull sliced clean through||

Couldn't even win off of it

[gentle mulch]

"maybe if i sacrifice a child ill win" WRONGGG

CRIMSON POINT

[stoic fjord]

Okay yeah basically confirmation of it, then, even if technically not outright stated that it's aimed at the apprentice

[faint pivot]

Dongrang and Hindley huh

Leaving the cameo sinners aside

Hm

Was boutta say we don't get IDs of people who distort but both Gregenheims are there sooo

I guess we just chalk this up to PMoon having expanded

[main scaffold]

Honestly, is Hindley even cool enough to get an ID?

[bronze zephyr]

N Faust is there

Phillipclair

[stoic fjord]

No, he's kind of just a complete bum lowk

[faint pivot]

I honestly forgot Kromer distorted in the first place roflmao

Rodya would 100% be cooler than Hindley

[bronze zephyr]

BL Meursault

[faint pivot]

Ala C.A.R. rocking harder than that F.J.H.

But alas

[stoic fjord]

Dongrang would probably be interesting enough, but, yknow, the whole irl thing

[faint pivot]

Damn KJH is right, there truly is too many people who'd be awesome to get IDs of lmao

He said this in the context of more frequent Walpurgisnachts but still

[stoic fjord]

I wonder what the next Walp will be

[faint pivot]

Is the next Walp the one with the LobCorp Binah announcer? No, right?

Actually there's a roadmap we should bring that up lmao

[stoic fjord]

Since we've gotten the fullstops, urban plague... urban plague for Hanafuda... SotC general reception for allen...

[gentle mulch]

binah announcer was teased for next walp iirc

[stoic fjord]

My guess is we get an Urban Nightmare reception

[gentle mulch]

it's part of why i have saved up 400 pulls

but then again

i thought this week would have chain battle lux

[stoic fjord]

And thus

My assumption is a Shi association walp

[faint pivot]

Aren't the 2 month Walps alternating every 2 Walps?

[stoic fjord]

Wait

Fr?

Fuck

[faint pivot]

So LC minor, LC major, Ruina minor, Ruina major?

[stoic fjord]

Uhhhhh

[faint pivot]

Tis what I recall

But I could be wrong

[stoic fjord]

LC major... I assume our last one was a minor one so uhhh

Crimson Cobalt Scars incoming

Trust

[faint pivot]

PLEASE

PLEASEEEEEE

God that'd fuck so hard

I am

A little worried

[stoic fjord]

Dude they'd farm so much fucking aura

[faint pivot]

Since we're past the floor they're supposed to be on

[stoic fjord]

...we are?

[faint pivot]

Actually wait is SL Sang from Training, or Info?

Trynna remember if employees get gear matching the Ruina floor the Abnormality is in

[stoic fjord]

Safety.

[faint pivot]

Ooo

THEN IT'S POSSIBLE

PLEASEEEE

[stoic fjord]

Hornet Meursault is Welfare

As is FA&S Ryoshu

Though, we have no one from disciplinary

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-waterfall-waterfall-peace-gif-5351982943524072041

[faint pivot]

Is anyone from Info, actually?

[stoic fjord]

Rodion is also welfare so highkey I don't know that order matters too much?

[faint pivot]

Cause Regret Faust is Control

[faint pivot]

True

[gentle mulch]

if they release burn ids from ruina

i will be happy

[stoic fjord]

I believe not

[stoic fjord]

I'm genuinely all in on Xiao Gregor and Lowell Rodion

[faint pivot]

Hm alr

[stoic fjord]

They're going to give us an actual Rodigor feast and also peak burn

[faint pivot]

Firefist gets powercrept both narratively and Actually 😭

[stoic fjord]

Oh also they make the Liu coat E.G.O gift just completely busted

Fuck Xiao Gregor manifesting the E.G.O..... base... half-formed... fully manifested...

[gentle mulch]

i need a liu upscale so bad

[stoic fjord]

I used the Liu in MDN with their signature E.G.O gift and it's genuinely so wonderful seeing them do well

I need a genuine close to full Liu team or smth

Anyways yeah uhh

My guess for next Ruina walps... I guess Shi Association and... unsure tbh idk if anyone else quite works in Urban Nightmare's story stuff

Index and W Corp i can see, but at the same time... ehhh?

...Blade Lineage again would be kind of funny

[gentle mulch]

i was gonna say

Blade Lineage [Ruina] would be nice

[stoic fjord]

After that, we start treading into SotC territory

Index Proxies. The Thumb. IS THAT THE RED MIST??? R Corp...

Oh also Yan and Iori

My guess is that it'd be a Red Mist and Purple Tear double banner or they'd each get a solo banner with 2 attached E.G.Os

Purple Tear Ryoshu feels so obvious it hurts

Red Mist I'm not sure on

[gentle mulch]

also ryoshu

[stoic fjord]

Myo Don and Nikolai Outis feels fairly likely

[gentle mulch]

just greedy greedy ryoshu

[stoic fjord]

Though perhaps a karmic debt will finally be repaid and Rodion will get Nikolai instead of Outis

Finally setting the scales right after season 2

[stoic fjord]

Fucked up

Who would the second pick for red mist be

[gentle mulch]

Rodion bc i love her

[stoic fjord]

Truthnuke

Highkey

I so badly want an ID for rodion that just fully leans into the gambler thing

Give me a bitch that's lowk just Hakari but in Limbus

[main scaffold]

Hakari?

[gentle mulch]

jjk character whose main power is de facto immortality through gambling

[keen palm]

Tuka Ton man

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-hikari-gif-1408129775731152385

[main scaffold]

Ahh

Riensang obtained! 😌

[gentle mulch]

go my nine coins

[main scaffold]

Dang it Yi Sang, you were supposed to wipe out a bunch of the Thumb

[minor gust]

i think im gonna do apocalypse bird

any recommednations how to beat it

and how many nuggets and what ego?

[main scaffold]

Hm. I wonder if the discrepancies in Rien Sang's act as Roland are because this is a mirror world and Roland did and said slightly different things
Or if Hermes is just that bad at this

[stoic fjord]

Iirc Roland actually says this line

It's not his iconic line, but he does say this during an actual story thing

[main scaffold]

Huh, apparently so

...and that fixer is saying basically the same things as Yi Sang's captive is

It's weird that Hermes has no issue with Rien just being completely different from Roland in almost every meaningful way

[keen palm]

The Prescript was to try and copy him as much as possible

[stoic fjord]

He copies him fairly well in some aspects, and I think is about as close as one can get while being someone like Rien

[gentle mulch]

problem is that roland throws a hissy fit when his wife dies and rien is like lolokay

[main scaffold]

I guess the big issue was that Hermes was trying to mold a member of the Index into him using prescripts
Like sure, they'll do all the same actions as he did, but a member of the Index will just do it all in the most efficient way instead of how Roland did it

Like, Roland went after all these people for revenge but Rien just went "well that's the way the cookie crumbles"

[gentle mulch]

and thats when hermes is like okay maybe we can course correct...and it still doesnt work and now theyre like. okay. do the house of spiders. we'll throw you in...blah...idk...

it's just not the same now that roland is out of the city....SIGHHHHHHH

[keen palm]

There is a lot of ascribing meaning to the prescript when it could be as random as any other

we have absolutely no idea what the motivation was

[main scaffold]

Then Hermes goes "okay well can you kill these people for me then" and Rien just kidnaps a ton of people and sticks them in a basement for whenever Hermes tells him to kill people instead of, you know, actually hunting people down for revenge like he's supposed to

Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Like, Roland went after all these people for revenge but Rien just went "well that's the way the c…

Fair yeah

Voy the Nelson Boy ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) we have absolutely no idea what the motivation was

[keen palm]

If Rien was doing something he wasn't supposed to

he'd be killed

[main scaffold]

Admittedly, Hermes still seemed to think it was going alright give- yeah

Unrelated,

[gentle mulch]

but yea rien's major flaw and disgrace from the pov of the will of the city is that he has no faith in the prescripts, but acts like a shivering husk if his day isn't outlined exactly with detailed instructions. he needs instruction but isnt like ohh the prescripts know best or whatever

he's just like oh boy some thread to interpret the day for me with

[keen palm]

The main thing with Rien is that you can't force someone to undergo someone else's story

[gentle mulch]

yaaaaay!

and then he dies

like badly

in a shitty gutter with an eating utensil specifically made to ragebait him

[keen palm]

Rien actually did feel for his family and he genuinely didn't want to feel that loss again demanded by the prescripts

which is why he never told the ending to any story

[gentle mulch]

like i cannot stress enough how much he gets one of the worst of it by his own faction

but also it's heavily implied he did try to circumvent the prescripts by just kidnapping a bunch of people beforehand so

honestly he had it coming, but it's not like there's heroes in that story

[keen palm]

It's not circumnavigating the prescript if you still do it

That's a wrong reading of how prescripts work and does seem to genuinely be the whole Thing with what makes you a Better Indexer

the more you interpret and try to weasel out of it the more in tune with the city you seemingly are

Hence why I'm running for Proxy vote for me

[main scaffold]

My prescript says not to

It also says to murder you with a fpoon but I'm still trying to figure out what that is

[gentle mulch]

Smugly going "Well I technically still did my Prescript" to the Proxy that has the Prescript "kill the guy thats saying that shit to you lol" and expecting my head not to be bashed in

idk if the prescripts are mad at you, you just die

[main scaffold]

I think there's a bit of a skill to interpreting prescripts
You can't go "well the prescript technically means this" without pissing off the Will of the City, but if you have enough cognitive dissonance to interpret it however you want without thinking about the obvious meaning then you're fine

[gentle mulch]

it's not that hard to just go "the prescripts know best im just gonna do whatever if it vaguely feels like thats what it wants" idk how people in the index are dropping like flies

[keen palm]

Yan's whole thing was that he weaseled out of the prescripts in the exact way the prescripts loved it

[gentle mulch]

"If I do this I can ANTICIPATE when--" nope
"If I maybe run away and--" nope
just follow the prescripts

[keen palm]

Also because not following the prescript is also following the prescript

as per Faust uptie

[main scaffold]

The Will of the City is weird sometimes

[cosmic gorge]

The Will i feel wants you to squirm and overthink and feel emotion

And Rien is pisspoor for this because instead of being conflicted he is resigned

And the way he weasels out of things is boring

This goes with my theory that the laws of the City are like how lobcorp or ruina work in a nutshell (put people in tormenting Situations to power things)

[keen palm]

I don't think we have any real evidence that The Will held Rien in any particular contempt before killing him

[cosmic gorge]

True

[keen palm]

Especially when the Gods throw the entire idea of what we've been shown to be the Will of the City in a bit of disarray

we actually have no idea how this shit works anymore

[main scaffold]

...does he really need to farm this much aura?

Side note, it's kinda sad how Faust finally got a good poise ID this season and then the other three poise IDs we've gotten are all better than her

[faint pivot]

Throw your first. maybe 2nd try too, just to learn its mechanics (assuming you aren't wiki'ing)

[faint pivot]

Yes to both - bring a variety

[faint pivot]

She brings Thoracaglia

Nuff said

Like at least this way the choice to bring her along is preserved

[cosmic gorge]

And the Index Minigame is fun

Assuming we are talking about 2B Faust

[main scaffold]

We are yeah

Well that's our poise team completed

Except for EGO we guess but meh

I don't think we're missing any good poise EGO

I guess both blind obsessions but ehhhhhhhhhh?

[split beacon]

you know re: nursefather ID too evil discourse

they already did change what the other nursefathers are like characterwise in the mirror world where the Sinners are the Nursefathers so like

they could absolutely go "uh nah we don't fuck with those particular crimes"

[faint pivot]

How do defense skill affinities tie into an ID's narrative

[minor gust]

Fuck meeee

I accidentally restarted the day

Just as I finished Gebura's was misssion

[atomic steeple]

Riensang's basement

[ebon forge]

does this not count as a charge skill???

god fucking dammit

[tiny cave]

Nope

It needs to gain potency or count to be counted as an X skill

For the same reason Yuro hong’s S3 doesn’t count as a tremor skill

As it only does bursts and amp entanglement, no tremor

[atomic steeple]

Bruh

[ebon forge]

[atomic steeple]

Wonderlab
Beozzi tells Catt to use them

[atomic steeple]

Beozzi: I wanna put you in my pocket abd carry you around

People being concerned catt could be hurt or die from slipping on wet and soapy floor. Is so mundane compared to all stuff in the facility

Catt is just shocked silent, specially when Rose starts crying and fussing, saying they never got to apologize abd it'd be horrible if catt just died
Catt reassures them, and gets shocked at themself for doing so

[fickle crown]

Potential man is a soloist basically

[neat cedar]

both not enough and too much

because it mad him more finnicky then Nclair

lose the wrong clash and "uh oh"

"Corrsion time"

[atomic steeple]

Taii and Rose: Finally, time to clock out. Saw the team captains heading somewhere, hope it's not a big deal.
Random employee: Run! Run Away! *dies*

[minor gust]

does anyone have an aedd gregor?

need to borrow so i can do the farming more effectibely

[atomic steeple]

It's interesting to see that Shasha and Joe from wonderlab act as opposites of the abnos whose gear they use
Joe is a warm hearted leader, while Blue smocked shepherd is an abusive jerk to reddened buddy. Joe was likely in charge of hugging Buddy
Shasha refeers to their department as fierce guard dogs who bite their masters to bring them back to their senses, while reddened buddy meekly is hurt by shepherd and does what its master wants for affection. Shasha was in charge of denying and repressing the shepherd

[gentle mulch]

maybe it's not in my nature to do these things but if the prescripts say so

[atomic steeple]

Managed to one turn sancho with sanguine desire. Sayo ish s3 may have been the final blow, or overkill

[atomic steeple]

Outis getting chastised by dante with just a stare lol

You know, hohenheim does use the term shell with some frequency

[cloud wadi]

Projection I think

[atomic steeple]

Yup, he says becoming a peccatula would prove him a shell that couldn't make it

[cloud wadi]

And then he tries to artificially remain a distortion by gaslighting himself on how much a selfish asshole he is

[stoic fjord]

someone please save me from myself

wait I forgot don

absolutely abysmal dogshit team! come give me thread and EXP tickets so I can do MDE with an absolutely abysmal dogshit team!

[keen palm]

Just run Gregor Ryoshu and Yi Sang ez pz

[stoic fjord]

my plan was actually to have Gregor backline but then I checked his passive again and realized it didn't do much

it's full N Corp team, not bleed tremor

my best 3 units are going to be Ryoshu, Yi Sang, and Sinclair

I'm also gonna try and do it completely E.G.O-less

because that would be a lame cop-out

[vagrant dove]

Why would you do this to urself

[stoic fjord]

I'm getting bored without content or new triple statuses to do

[vagrant dove]

Fair

[stoic fjord]

and I'm reluctant to do anything with Rupture Charge Bleed because I feel like Caliisto and Albina will make the team more cohesive than it was before

valencina rodion... please save me... valencina rodion...

because MB Outis is a fucking bum who gets poise on her stupid fucking passive

and Riensang is a fraud who has burn on his S3-2

[faint pivot]

Wait really

Oh u mean the triple

[atomic steeple]

In the end, shasha sees themself as a coward

[stoic fjord]

the good news for me is that NCorp sinclair's UT4 is worthless so I don't need to waste the thread on him

[atomic steeple]

Hope we get good new n corp ids

Wonderlab
Dang, ||Rose got killed by Staining Rose, taking catt's place as sacrifice, right in front of everyone||
Then white nights and dark days happens

Did
Did the branch manager go through what is happening nowadays with AI ||and kill themself to be with mini angela?||

[vagrant dove]

playing through a mirror dungeon and accidentally fucking

picked tremor gifts by instinct

[atomic steeple]

Wat

Ah

[vagrant dove]

i'm using the rental rupture team

i realised AFTER enhancing them as well

pain.

[dusty sigil]

Every time someone new shows up and shows how powerful they are always remember

It’s really just a Kali upscale

[vagrant dove]

TRUKE

endless kali upscale

[dusty sigil]

“Oh roach emperor Gregor would have killed Vergilius if the sinners weren’t there!”

Doesn’t matter, Kali upscale

“Jia Qiu has access to 5 Mang rings and is likely a color fixer himself!”

Doesn’t matter, Kali upscale

“Demian can manifest 7 rings and killed Kromer with the flick of his wrist!”

You already know the pattern

[stoic fjord]

does this mean Bari is a Kali upscale

[dusty sigil]

Yes

[vagrant dove]

yeah

[dusty sigil]

Anything is a Kali upscale if you’re dedicated enough

[vagrant dove]

the agenda must be maintained

[stoic fjord]

I agree with the sole exception of Gregor

that boy is fucked up and I know it will get worse

[main scaffold]

it'd be incredibly funny if they revealed that kali just didn't use shin or mang

[gentle mulch]

im hoping thats the case

[stoic fjord]

I'm fully convinced this is the case, they have no reason for retcons

Kali is meant to be The Strongest, no fancy bullshit

[vagrant dove]

yeah I think Shin+Mang are recent manifestations of the light

[stoic fjord]

that too

[dusty sigil]

Shin and Mang didn’t exist before the end of LOR

[stoic fjord]

actually

[dusty sigil]

So she couldn’t have

[stoic fjord]

hrm

[glad fable]

How many mang do you think Kali would have

[stoic fjord]

nah probably right I don't remember why Mang exists but I'm fairly certain that like

idk

[main scaffold]

damn

MagmaNaught (any)(ping me) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) So she couldn’t have

[vagrant dove]

tapping into intense memories

is how shin+mang

[fickle crown]

Ngl, like

[dusty sigil]

Gregor’s final gift will manifest, the sinners will be defeated, but before Dante is killed we hear “Great Split: Vertical”

[fickle crown]

Maybe 1

[stoic fjord]

our current theory on how you manifest multiple is by focusing on multiple different intense emotions, right?

like this isn't confirmed but I think it would make sense

[vagrant dove]

yeah, probably

[dusty sigil]

Specifically intense emotions from memories

That’s how Vergilius does it in Leviathan

[vagrant dove]

wtf is Damian doing though, how much Horrors has this Uncanny German Boy seen

[fickle crown]

I don't really know if Kali would've had the discipline for Shin and Mang usage

[vagrant dove]

to have 7 mang

[dusty sigil]

He’s been to the outskirts so many

[glad fable]

All of them probably

[stoic fjord]

so I think Kali would be like Lei Heng in that she manages one but not more than that?

[fickle crown]

Yea

[vagrant dove]

I think Gebura has the potential to manifest more after all the character development, but Kali probably would have one max

[fickle crown]

And tbf Matthias is also like Kali in the sense that he's just built so different he doesn't have to give a shit about new power rules

[stoic fjord]

"fuck shin, fuck mang, I'm hitting you so hard you explode"

[dusty sigil]

I do really like Matthias showing that shin isn’t fucking, Haki from one piece

It isn’t just the only relevant thing now

[vagrant dove]

I also think in Matthias' case it's bc he isn't willing to put the effort in

[dusty sigil]

The old ways of augments still can match and exceed it

[main scaffold]

i mean he still has the tattoos so he definitely has some implants at least

ganransu. ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) And tbf Matthias is also like Kali in the sense that he's just built so different he doesn't have to…

[stoic fjord]

from what we're seeing I think it's honestly that it's like

[dusty sigil]

Everyone does

[stoic fjord]

just one of many options

like it's quickly just slotting into the City

like everything else does

[main scaffold]

did kali have any? idr

[dusty sigil]

Remember, Finn was considered weird for not having any and he was a complete newbie grade 9 fixer

[dusty sigil]

Yah

There’s not a serious combatant in the city that doesn’t augment their body

If you’re involved in dangerous work, you invest in yourself

It’s just how it works

[stoic fjord]

I honestly think our only candidates for unagmented people who do manage as combatants are like...

Papa Don, Bari, and the Blue Man Group so far

[dusty sigil]

Bloodfiends are a unique case yah

[glad fable]

Canto 13 we’re gonna fight grade 1 fixer Finn still without any augments, trust

[stoic fjord]

the Blue Man Group is just deadass using magic, Bari gives me the vibes, and bloodfiends are basically already augments for themselves

[atomic steeple]

Wonderlab done
What a story
Better communication could have saved them, maybe?

[dusty sigil]

That’s true

[glad fable]

Many such cases unfortunately

[vagrant dove]

the goat Finn will topple the Head trust

[dusty sigil]

But yah augments aren’t like, cyberpunk where you can get by with minimal augments if you’re skilled enough

They’re also not all cybernetics

They’re literally anything that strengthens you

[stoic fjord]

Unless they're magic like E.G.O or shin or mang, I guess

[vagrant dove]

get his ass dant

[stoic fjord]

still-warm coffee is crazy but also requires too much investment for my team

[bronze zephyr]

What’s that one?

[stoic fjord]

free +1 coin power for first slot if it's a lob corp ID

[bronze zephyr]

Aaah

[stoic fjord]

but it requires gifts from Love and Hate and Noon of Violet, for the event, iirc

and also cannot be selected in gift search

so I guess good for a sinking team specifically

but otherwise mehhhhh not worth it

[bronze zephyr]

Oh wild

[atomic steeple]

Woo! Defeated mountain of smiling bodies in library of ruina!
Then went on to defeat the index proxies now that gebura can manifest ego
Angela rejects the Index's way of life, but admits the prescripts do have some purpose and that can be tempting to people
Roland compares the situation of following orders to himself, but angela notes they are working towards a personal goal of freedom
Very interesting, ||slipped up and admitted you're following another's plan, eh angela?||

[cloud wadi]

ofc angela would love the idea of following a script

[mint elk]

The thing I'm really impressed with from that pack is a team that makes full use of Desperado and Pink Bouquet. ^_^ Even with terrible luck, no Marinade, Piece of Relationship, or invasion boss gifts, I was still WR button right up to Floor 15.

[stoic fjord]

yeah, I imagine gun-maxed sinking would go crazy

[gentle mulch]

what's the teamcomp?

[ebon forge]

how do i beat sancho in the bokgak?

there is just so fucking much bleed count

[atomic steeple]

Grab my bleed rodya abd use superbia sanguine desire

[gentle mulch]

If you want to cheese her do these steps including ^

[ebon forge]

😭

lmao that works

[gentle mulch]

1. Build your team like so:

• Rodion with Sanguine Desire
• Sinners with as many coins as possible, like 3-4 coins per skill use.

2. Enter the fight, Superbia Sanguine Desire
3. Clash as much as possible with as many coins as possible.
4. Full send it.

otherwise it's a damage race for you to reach an hp gate before she eats you with bleed count

You can alternatively:
Use a bunch of counter skills on her because normal defense skills don't proc bleed.

But that's like. if you just have a Middle build ready to go and even then Sanguine Desire is way easier

[ebon forge]

i think i can run full middle

oh i turn 2'd her

more like turn 1 lol

[tired canyon]

would elena be a tzimisce

[keen palm]

Thematics wise Elena is a caitiff or a thinblood of absurd power

[mint elk]

For my sinkmor(tremking?) guns akimbo team, I'm using:
SolomnSang
W/e. Butler and regret both useful passives
W/e. Lcb, cinq, tcorp, index, wei, wcorp all have okay passives
Faint Aroma
Thumbsault
Full Stop
Full Stop/rabbit
Molar/Jeong
KoD
Thumbclair
Udjat
Yarrrgor
If you'd prefer a picture I can post that later.

[gentle mulch]

yaaay pictures!

[stoic fjord]

Rabbit Heath is crazy

[mint elk]

Is there a Rcorp merc who isn't?

[stoic fjord]

no as in running him in MDE outside of Bleed/Charge/Rupture triple status is insane

[bronze zephyr]

Aah

[cosmic gorge]

Gregheim gives a boost to EGO gear IDs no

That includes lce faust and yisang, both walp ryos, walp mersault and philclair right?

[bronze zephyr]

Every walp lobcorp ID, I don’t think it counts phillipclair cuz that’s effloressed? Lemme check

Yeah

[stoic fjord]

iirc Phillip is not E.G.O gear

it should also buff sunshower, talisclair, and sloshmael

[mint elk]

There are plenty of good bench IDs and not everyone has all the Walps. -nod nod-

[bronze zephyr]

The full list

[stoic fjord]

ohhhhh wait as a bench

[keen palm]

SLOSHING ISHMAEL STOCKS!!!

[stoic fjord]

yeah that's reasonable

I'm poor and lack FA&S Ryoshu and Regret Faust

and...

no other Walp IDs nvm I'm not poor

[mint elk]

His contribution begins and ends with owning a gun. ^_^

[cosmic gorge]

Whats gregheims statuses again

Burn, sinking rupture?

[bronze zephyr]

Which

Lamp is burn sinking, AEDD is charge rupture

[mint elk]

You don't need Regret Faust, she's also on the bench, but it would be difficult to run this without Ryoshu since I built the team around her. ^_^ She does so much for it.

[stoic fjord]

oh yeah I know it's why I'm not trying to run it rn

half the point would be the sinking tremor double status

so rn I'm just doing a poise version

wait

wait wait wait

isn't Sunshower Heathcliff technically sinking tremor

because of the tremor burst

hold on

[mint elk]

I'm not 100% sure but I think no. It seems like it has to be count/potency in order to be considered a [blank] status ID.

Sinking Tremor should be more than fine though? The guns were mostly for gold plating and all the little hits at the end of the turn from Desperado are pure dopamine.

[stoic fjord]

oh absolutely I just like being a complete fucking freak

[cosmic gorge]

Lamp

[stoic fjord]

my current plans are to build up a full N Corp team once I'm done getting seasonal IDs and do an E.G.O-less MDE with them

[mint elk]

I think I remember seeing they buffed Wholeness?

[stoic fjord]

might permit Contempt Awe and Fell Bullet E.G.Os just because it directly ties in with 2 of the IDs

alternatively I omit NSang and NShu entirely so I can suffer with genuine dogwater IDs and also NClair who's like okay I guess

[cosmic gorge]

Poggers why would you do this to yourself

[stoic fjord]

I saw a youtuber do it

[mint elk]

Hmmm, I wonder how viable one crazy grippy boy is solo. Let him just constantly corrode and fire off free EGOs with his new fidget spinner axe.

[signal kindle]

WonderLab looks like a good comic I gotta seek it out

[faint pivot]

Where'd you read it, by the by?

[gentle mulch]

are links okay to post?

for this sort of thing

either way i read it on internet archive

[cloud wadi]

I keep an archive of it in my comp I think

[keen palm]

Yknow

Its funny that the defining sin of the Thumb appeara to be Wrath

Actually will it be the Pinky's sin too?

[main scaffold]

Is poise sinking a thing now that we have the index IDs? And is it just the index trio + full stop + kodya + random sinking ID?

[main scaffold]

...does he have to be looking at the camera like that?

[eternal berry]

Pretty much, yeah. That’s the team I used for MDE50 w/ no Lunar Memory

[keen palm]

I swear

ta got

KK Heath knows when he has Rules prepped

and always rolls min on speed

[cosmic gorge]

The sort of gaze that makes a certain demographic of people rather unwise, yes

[cosmic gorge]

What are the other candidates

Thumb is Wrath (immediate punishment for transgressions)
Middle is Envy (a kind of resentful retribution and contempt for the outgroup)
Ring is Lust (spreading the ideology of their art)
Index is maybe Gloom (losing oneself to something bigger)

That leaves gluttony, pride and sloth

[keen palm]

I'm saying Wrath since Ren's the only Pinky ID we have

and his is 3rd skill Wrath

[main scaffold]

Sloth would fit pretty well, but so would pride

[eternal berry]

Tiangang Star - Form, Incomplete Seal Release, and Rend Space (Dihui Star’s version) have all been Pride affinity “ultimate” attacks

[stoic fjord]

I think Pride is probably the most fitting for the Pinky

[cosmic gorge]

I think Ren's ult is Wrath because its a knockoff Furioso

[stoic fjord]

That's Rien

Not Ren

[cosmic gorge]

Fuck wrong i

[stoic fjord]

I think going off of Ren Sinclair is flawed because like

[cosmic gorge]

Sinclair is the wrathful one

[stoic fjord]

Sinclair is very wrathful as a person

Yeah

[eternal berry]

Ren is explicitly someone who will never inherit the name of a Star, so he might not be a great example, and - yeah that

[cosmic gorge]

Ren is uh
Idk
His base selfs ult is Pride no

[eternal berry]

Both Ren’s Fallstar Slayer and Azureslash - Rend Space are Wrath affinity

[stoic fjord]

Going off of Jia Qiu

He has some wrath, but mainly pride S3s from what I can see

[cosmic gorge]

Oh hmm

That iss wrath

[stoic fjord]

Like, somewhat of a balance

Though, something of note

His wrath skills are the ones in which he calls upon the Heishou

Oh also no wrath S3s for him mb

Zilu, also pride, mainly, no wrath on her

Honestly our biggest flaw in reasoning here is probably the fact we're assuming a pattern in the first place when the Pinky is notably very odd as a Finger

...add another point for "Pride" as the main sin.

[eternal berry]

In general, Ren’s like two steps away from the “main” body of the Pinky, so my position is more or less that I’d hesitate on using him to estimate the rest

But even then as noted above the Pinky is weird and seems to have multiple groups of thought, not to mention just many different kinds of personalities, so it’s possible it just varies a lot

[keen palm]

https://www.tumblr.com/gazumirei/811758581024178176/i-got-bored-and-doodled-hod-with-some-of-peppina?source=share

Gazumi (Roblox ava commissions are opened)

I got bored and doodled hod with some of peppina ramen's expressions to test a brush I made...

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[tiny cave]

For story content/RR or for mirror dungeon

[karmic escarp]

for MD absolutely, once you have 3 of the same of a double status unit you can run 2 each of monostatus units (in poiking's case 2 poise and 2 sinking) and activate both statuses EGO gifts

for anything else id imagine it depends on what sort of synergies can be built between the 3 doubles, two sets of singles

[tiny cave]

You just need to be able to fuel Faust+Ryo Thora

So you’re probably running
Index Faust
Index Don
Riensang
Old Lady Ryo
Udjat Outis (Pride S1)
Fudamael (Wrath S1, Pride counter)
+1

You need 1 wrath (Fudamael, Furioso), 1 lust (index don s1 only), 1 sloth (index faust s1, outis s2, ryo s1-1 and s1-2) and 1 gloom (literally everyone) alongside 10 pride (everyone except ryo) for double thora

[cosmic gorge]

trying to make a bleed tremor team and aside from allegory, aweryo and gunsang, im not sure who else to slot

any suggestions

[tiny cave]

Is this for MD

If so you need la cretura to get the double gifts

[cosmic gorge]

who is la cretura

yes MD

[tiny cave]

N Don

[cosmic gorge]

oh dear

i can just bench her right

btw how do you play Beesalt

i miiight slot him in there

[tiny cave]

Nah you need her to be on the field

For the 5+ identities thing

[cosmic gorge]

oh

[bronze zephyr]

alas

[tiny cave]

Idk but he’s good for MD due to atk weight