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[vagrant dove]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[dusty sigil]

Chatroom, someone on Twitter posted a kinda bad sign

That despite Gregor outwardly seeming like he isn’t revenge focused or that it’s useless

He keeps getting revenge focused IDs…

Edgar Family, Firefist, Priest, and now Hohenheim

Hell Hohenheim himself is someone who outwardly says that revenge and wrath is ugly and useless, and then goes on a revenge fueled suicide mission with 2 wrath skills

[atomic steeple]

It's bleak

So the thing with greg is he doesn't unpack his feelings

He won't open them, just like his arm's powers

[dusty sigil]

My suppression king

[vagrant dove]

Even the ||Roach Emperor|| is just another layer of suppression

No wrath skille, it (in a way) represents Gregor's self perception as a monster

[atomic steeple]

Gregor is just like fr fr

Also funny thing

Sinclair gets a warning to hatch his potential before it's too late
Gregor got to spend years of his life in stagnation and still has potential

[vagrant dove]

I wonder if we'll see something similiar with Rodya

Hopefully in Meursault's canto since the two presumably share a pretty significant murder as part of their backstories (and other Themes)

And pride egos, come to think of it

[stoic fjord]

Yet another metaphor for generational trauma

[lean fjord]

Ooh, those IDs both look sick

Renclair will be great for Poise probably

[stoic fjord]

6000 more years of slash poise

Pierce poise found rotting in a ditch

[vagrant dove]

Blunt poise taken out back and shot

[wild mango]

Rip albina sinclair

[stoic fjord]

Blunt poise isn't even a thing

[vagrant dove]

In terms of team comp, no iirc, but there are a handful of ids with blunt poise skills

I think I misread the initial joke lmao

I may be stupid

[wild mango]

Got priest Gregor

[gentle mulch]

hey greg
buddy
pal
no hard feelings right? we're cool?

please never realize your potential

[dusty sigil]

Please stay potential man

It’s for the best

[stoic fjord]

He also has Twinhook Gregor, and the twinhooks are a subsidiary syndicate of the Middle

And we know that the Middle's whole thing is

Liu Gregor also whacks a dude for insulting him

[dusty sigil]

we're so fucked

[split beacon]

Gregor without cripplingly low self esteem will be a demon

[stoic fjord]

We get a Gregor ID with Wrath S1, wrath S1-2, wrath S2, wrath S2-2, wrath S3, wrath S3-2, and a wrath defense skill

[dusty sigil]

The Red Gaze Gregor

[stoic fjord]

Gregor driven by almost nothing but vengeance was a fucking threat

Like

Bro genuinely started climbing the ranks, right? Firefist was genuinely fucked up

[dusty sigil]

Chat, I’m really thinking about the theory that ||Outis killed Gregor’s sister during the war||

||Like she was the moth princess and Outis killed her||

[stoic fjord]

Not unlikely, I think

[dusty sigil]

Outis is almost certainly not her real name

[stoic fjord]

Outis might be the most cooked sinner

[dusty sigil]

She might be fucked

[stoic fjord]

Her wife and child are not surviving her canto bruh

Them mfs dead as fuuuuuuuck

[main scaffold]

(Gods we hope she has a wife)

[stoic fjord]

Yuri or I explode

[dusty sigil]

It would be cool but I’m not holding out hope tbh

[stray sleet]

Third character named Yuri appears

[dusty sigil]

If we do get yuri I think it’ll be like, Queequeg Ish yuri

Where like, that’s clearly the idea

[split beacon]

oh re Outis btw

[dusty sigil]

But it’s not official

[stoic fjord]

In which i am given the barest crumbs of yuri by a gacha game yet again and expected to subsist off of said crumbs for years

[main scaffold]

Same

MagmaNaught (any)(ping me) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) It would be cool but I’m not holding out hope tbh

There was that one nameless girl that flirted with Faust back in canto 5

Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) In which i am given the barest crumbs of yuri by a gacha game yet again and expected to subsist off …

[dusty sigil]

That was very funny yah

Glad to see that the twinhooks run a queer positive club

Good for them

[split beacon]

I was recently reading about the psychology of Greeks during the antiquity and thought this would be interesting for y'all

[stoic fjord]

This is why the Middle is the best finger ong

[stoic fjord]

Oh?

[split beacon]

the ancient Greeks did not have a concept of will

they didn't even have a concept of the unified mind per se

[dusty sigil]

What kind of will?

[split beacon]

like, volition

[dusty sigil]

Ohhh

[stoic fjord]

Unified mind?

[split beacon]

rather their conception of the inner workings of the human mind essentially held that persons were dividuals whose thoughts and urges could be attributed to the influences of gods, spirits, and such

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhh neat

[main scaffold]

It was something like
“Hey, did you come here alone 😘”
“I have 12 companions 😐”

MagmaNaught (any)(ping me) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) That was very funny yah

[split beacon]

for example a lot of Odysseus's heroic moments can be read as him channeling the influence of Athena

[stoic fjord]

Unnamed woman at the club had an excellent taste in women

[split beacon]

this matters because, of course, Outis is Odysseus and we just encountered someone who outsources his thinking and decisionmaking to a God, Hermes

[cloud wadi]

Proving ofc that Outis lacks volition of her own etc etc

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhhh fuck

And Hermes is greek...

[cloud wadi]

Outis means Nobody, Rien means Nothing

[stoic fjord]

Outis bbg you're so fucked

[dusty sigil]

Yah, I saw the idea that Outis’s stopped watch is some kinda prescript device like Rien’s pager- yah that

[split beacon]

also she's wearing a Caduceus patch and there's a Caduceus shadow looming over her in her EGO art

[dusty sigil]

Oddly enough this doesn’t necessarily make her apart of the index, everyone follows the prescripts if they’re given one

But yah her being attached to a prescript is a definite possibility

[stoic fjord]

I am suddenly reminded of Children of the City

[cloud wadi]

Rien’s transforming weapon he received from Hermes is named Caduceus

[dusty sigil]

What about it?

[stoic fjord]

"Do not go home until you finish reading the value of E."

Things of that nature

...part of why Odysseus was at sea for so long was because of beef with Poseidon, right?

[dusty sigil]

Yah

Dude maimed his son

Like a jackass

[cloud wadi]

Yeah if there’s one thing that can prevent Outis who wants to go home that badly from actually going home it would be a prescript

Yeah and also being kidnapped by calypso for 7.5 years or smth

[split beacon]

well no

maiming Polyphemus wasn't because he was a jackass that part was smart

it was announcing that actually it was Odysseus who done it

could've just kept that one to yourself bud

[stoic fjord]

Outis is actually so fucking boned it's insane

[dusty sigil]

I mean yah but that just let Polyphemus tattle

Poseidon was mostly angry at the maiming part

[split beacon]

yeah but Polyphemus was mad killing Odysseus's men

that was a reasonable maiming

[dusty sigil]

I just woulda let him eat me tbh

Shoulda known his place

[cloud wadi]

What was stupid was leaving his drivers license, birth certificate, passport, social security number, and business card at the scene of the crime

[dusty sigil]

Messing with children of the gods

[split beacon]

Soldiers of gods shall pursue you

[dusty sigil]

There’s a hierarchy to these things

[cloud wadi]

Isn’t he technically gods grandson

[dusty sigil]

Direct children get first dibs on calling in their parents to curse you

[lean fjord]

He is related to Hermes, yes

[vagrant dove]

She's so done for

[lean fjord]

but what if Outis just turns out fine

[vagrant dove]

Also yh, hermes is one of the gods who helps Odysseus (and might be related to him, depending on the version) although the god mostly in his corner is Athena

[vagrant dove]

If we cope hard enough it'll come true

[lean fjord]

we just return to Ithaca and kill all the suitors, it'll be fine

[cloud wadi]

What do you think Athena’s method of distributing prescripts are

Clocks?

[vagrant dove]

I wonder if her Canto will showcase some of the other identities Odysseus adopts

Like the beggar

[vagrant dove]

It's a funny thing, athena is heavily associated with the loom

Since she's a god of crafts

[cloud wadi]

Too bad she’s out skilled by a measly mortal

[vagrant dove]

That's more of the Ovidian version

Iirc

Ovid's portrayal of the gods might demonstrate that he had a bit of a bone to pick with authority- since he was writing in Augustan Rome that was rather dangerous (he eventually ended up exiled to the Black Sea for unknown reasons)

Although given the setting they might draw from his works

The Metamorphoses are a genuinely fascinating piece of literature

[cloud wadi]

Arachne is also just a really good abno

[vagrant dove]

True

[cloud wadi]

As a representation of stifled artists who fear pissing off the powers that be

[vagrant dove]

But yeah I think Athena being one of the gods associated with the loom we see in LOR would Make Sense

Although she could deliver prescripts by another method

[dusty sigil]

Honestly it does seem that the loom woven prescripts are like, the base version of them it seems

Ever index member but Rien and Sora uses them

[lean fjord]

it could also just be a regional thing, we can't really say

[dusty sigil]

I think it’s more likely that Rien is special to the will of the city then that there’s that big of a variety of getting prescripts

[stoic fjord]

I think it'd be more interesting if they were somewhat varied

[split beacon]

anniversary rewards soon huh

[dusty sigil]

That’s fair but like, idk I feel like the cloth paper is such an iconic part of the index

It feels weird that they wouldn’t be the norm when so much of their iconography and roles surround it

Like they have physical messengers

And the people who maintain the machines are called weavers

[split beacon]

I reckon we might see other Prescript delivery methods, but the paper Prescript will likely be the primary method for most schlubs

[dusty sigil]

Also flat out, I fucking adore the pendulum machine

The movements of the earth causing a pendulum to swing and prescripts be made that way so fucking cool

[split beacon]

We’ve directly been told that the Prescript can be sent through many different mediums and the paper Prescript is just one

[stoic fjord]

Oh yeah fair I moreso mean that I think there will be some more variation, just for spice

[dusty sigil]

I think it’s one of the coolest things in the series

[dusty sigil]

Oh when?

[split beacon]

Pretty sure it’s Index Faust lore

[dusty sigil]

Damn

I’m a fool

[split beacon]

I think if we ever got the skinny on Hermes though

It would be a fundamentally similar system to the Loom

[dusty sigil]

I hope so

God’s rube goldberg machine is such a cool piece of lore

And like, so existentially threatening

Like, it’s proof

The very movements of the city make a pendulum swing and write out functional sentences

With orders for specific people

It’s proof of the divine in the most terrifying way

[split beacon]

The distorted and pulverized vibrations of the City contain more than just the present.
In the flutterings of anticipation lies the future... and in the reverberations of regret the past.
Thus, in between the myriad vibrations...
... are faint frequencies that have escaped the laws of causality, captured then by a god of the City and written into Prescripts in which causes and effects are enmeshed in disarray.
It has-It might-It may have actualized-actualize-actualized...
The echoes of fate.

okay this seems important lmao

[dusty sigil]

Ok yah

No matter the method

It’s still caused by the vibrations of the city

[split beacon]

it's still the divine Rube Goldberg method

[mystic ermine]

Kodion upscale?
-# 9-45 spoilers

-# this is a joke

actually
it might genuinely not be

the boss isn't in panic state

she's just
just
just clashing

[cloud wadi]

note that Gregor's green skills gets MASSIVE amount of bonuses when clashing against red coins

and all of vergil's coins are red

[mystic ermine]

yes yes I know

it's a joke

[stoic fjord]

It's a silly joke

[mystic ermine]

...also maybe spoiler that

[stoic fjord]

A jape

[mystic ermine]

jape?

like a

jester ape?

...I am dead serious, is a jape a synonym for a joke

[stoic fjord]

I don't know. Papyrus undertale says it and I used context clues to assume it was a synonym for joke

[mystic ermine]

huh, let's see

yup, a practical joke - say or do something in jest or mockery

like a "your mom" is a joke, but putting, say, lubrication on a doorhandle to startle someone is a jape

https://giphy.com/gifs/ben-l-l4FGA2XplwqFDcLwk

[eternal gull]

does this mean vergilius's japes are beating the shit out of everyone who steps a meter out of line :D

[mystic ermine]

I forgot how much of a banger this theme is
-# canto 7 spoilers

HEHEHEH

[main scaffold]

I swear that’s slightly different from what it used to be

[mystic ermine]

[dusty sigil]

||https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8amxxY5/||

[mystic ermine]

oh wow that's
whoah

oh.

I
it's the
ah

I see

I didn't have probnlems with that

just
just yank it out

...also spoilers

[mystic ermine]

it's sooo nicely animated

[stoic fjord]

Sunshower Heathcliff being there cracked me up for some reason

[mystic ermine]

This makes me very sad
...
canto 7 spoilers

actually
I fully understand what she means here

[lean fjord]

the Keter 3 theme is so good

[atomic steeple]

The papers are translated from the loom cloth
Other prescript methods could be translate from the looms too

[mystic ermine]

Wait, wasn't there something in greek mythology that had the 1:1 line of "||arrows eclipsing / blotting out the sun||"?

I'm scouring whatever I can for any crumble of info on Outis

[mystic ermine]

YES

[atomic steeple]

Think that was Chinese mythology?

[mystic ermine]

Sorry, does that say "fish"

[mystic ermine]

haah... damnit
so the greek fi- HEY NOW

we've got to see the
ah
blue flame? greek fire?
in her Canto

...wait, was that even remotely mentioned or made use of in the Oddysey? I
swear it was

a bird, you say?

in the ruins?

was it... small, big, long? or all three?

okay okay so he refers to her as ||"my lady"||

so
either
That was ||Bari||
OR
whoever he has these godsdamn eyes from

I think it must be a ||maestro from the Ring||
I mean

So
this does NOT refer to the ending of the ||Canto||, right?
I
I think?
or was that the "||right time||"?

[cloud wadi]

Probably Laevintainn references tbh

[lean fjord]

levin means lightning IIRC

so it's presumably just a place with a lot of lightning coming down

[keen palm]

Yeah it's lightning

[dusty sigil]

Yup

only reason I know that is fire emblem lol

[mystic ermine]

So, Outis hates ||bloodfiends||
like
immensly
argh
that means something

[atomic steeple]

Probably projection or fear

[dusty sigil]

It’s Outis

She’s like 99% projection by volume

[stoic fjord]

https://www.tumblr.com/mombodryoshu/806938280660762624/kjh-talks-like-hes-afraid-that-if-he-leaves-the

🚬

kjh talks like hes afraid that if he leaves the office an eagle will swoop down and take him away

Tumblr · Jan 27, 2026, 11:25 PM

[keen palm]

Outis doesn't hate Bloodfiends, she hates that Don Quixote is a hidden enemy that she wasn't informed about.

[lean fjord]

this will happen

[dusty sigil]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJCw6RU5FsA||

[stoic fjord]

Given previous incidents I do think he genuinely has reason to be concerned for his safety

[mystic ermine]

aaawwwww she's making
aaaww.... aw.... that'0s... aaw....

[ebon forge]

HRT

[mystic ermine]

"Chat, fifteen subs and I touch the flower"

...the boss theme for this one feels

ah
how do I put this

unhinged

[eternal gull]

kekw

[gentle mulch]

chat if outis ends up being someone who killed someone close to gregor it is literally over for the LCB

he's going to unlock his potential man

[gentle mulch]

The entirety of Canto 7:

[bronze zephyr]

Outis killed one of the three siblings or sm

LMAO

[vagrant dove]

The Greek fire you're prob thinking of is Byzantine, although incendiary weaponry's been used throughout history

I can't remember any specific examples of it in the Odyssey off the top of my head though

[mystic ermine]

hm
it
haah... ||Bari...||... argh

[vagrant dove]

Also I really hope we see Bari again

She's so cool

[keen palm]

Shes definitely metaplot important

[mystic ermine]

me when I have to shoot gregor because I'm bored

[mystic ermine]

we've "seen" her in ||LoR||, and
now this
hahdsfakljhasldkjf
there's got to be meaning to her

[vagrant dove]

Also arrows blotting out the sun might be a reference might be a reference to an apocryphal¹ saying attributed to the Battle of Thermopylae in some sources, where either a Spartan soldier or Leonidas himself, upon being told the Persians have enough arrows to blot out the sun when loosed, replies something along the lines of "We will fight in the shade."

Where exactly the story comes from is unclear- I think Herodotus first mentions it- but it might also be what you're thinking of

¹ we don't really know if this story actually happened- ancient historiography had a tendency to sometimes literally put words in people's mouths.

Sorry, this is my special interest

I tend to talk a lot

In context it just could be standard imagery of course

[mystic ermine]

I highly doubt it's as insignificant as just
filler dialogue

[eternal gull]

dude your in a discord for a burgeoning but niche mech RPG game, where you are specifically in like a +100,000 messages video game forum for project moon you aint got nothing to be sorry about

[vagrant dove]

True, lmao

[split beacon]

this shit is so funny because it's always a Spartan saying something insanely hard before losing the fight

[vagrant dove]

Yeah it's a pattern lmao

[split beacon]

true aura farm into loss combo

[vagrant dove]

I think Plutarch has an entire section of like

Leonidas quotes at Thermopylae in the Moralia

[gentle mulch]

dying in a losing battle is aura farm tech..

so thats why don quixote could do that

[vagrant dove]

Ah wait no, Sayings of the Spartans

Which are all dubiously factual

[cloud wadi]

Spartans saying “if”

[vagrant dove]

But yeah the Spartans werw good at the aura farm tech

[cloud wadi]

Before Macedonians call that shit

[vagrant dove]

They just lacked the "actual decent track record at war" thing

[cloud wadi]

Because it turns out extreme elitism doesn’t produce cohesive martial culture

[vagrant dove]

Mhm

[stray sleet]

Turns out not having walls to defend your city was a bad idea

[vagrant dove]

They also had a terrible economy

[cloud wadi]

Well to be fair said city was on a hill but yeah

Nah their economy actually was pretty good I hear

Just you know, irrelevant

[dusty sigil]

Sparta might be the least important and weakest historical nation for how glazed it is

[split beacon]

well it's unclear if it's the Spartans who said these things because in a lot of cases it's more like the Athenians coming up with ways to make their self-proclaimed rival city state sound cool for rhetorical reasons

[dusty sigil]

a backwater slave state that’s brought up constantly like it was this huge deal

[vagrant dove]

Fun fact: Persian bankrolling was a large part of why Sparta won the war with Athens, since it allowed them to build and maintain a navy

[cloud wadi]

It did have a little hegemony on its neck of the woods

As in the southern tip of Greece

So it had some power

But was never really a military power of serious import

[vagrant dove]

Since the Athenians were actually the big anti-Persian player in the Greek world

[cloud wadi]

Spartans were extreme authoritarians

In that regard I guess they kinda never changed from Bronze Age mindset

Which also had pretty significant centralized autocracies

[vagrant dove]

Partly a result of certain narratives around Thermopylae and a lot of the pro-spartan views of say, Plato

[dusty sigil]

Damn you Plato!

[split beacon]

Plato and other Athenian politicians who had Ideas about how Athens should work as a state

who liked to reference Sparta as a very successful (please don't ask why they're so owned in the contemporary time period for these writers) hegemonic city-state

[atomic steeple]

Desperately glazing your loser rival

[vagrant dove]

Aristotle's rather critical of the Spsrtans by contrast

[cloud wadi]

Plato wanted autocratic hegemonic city state I guess

Wonder what his thoughts on Macedonia was hak hak hak

[split beacon]

proof that people living in democratic (ish) states who want power for themselves have always been glazing autocracy as "stronger" and "more efficient"

[vagrant dove]

Mhm
We should probably return to Project Moon stuff though

[atomic steeple]

Plato had that whole idea of rulership by philosophers

[vagrant dove]

Forgot to spoil that!

[atomic steeple]

You know, ACS answers why smoke works like it does in ruina

||those who embrace the smoke inverts its negative effect||

[cloud wadi]

Only those who embrace the smoke can survive

[eternal gull]

can I say something very controversial

[split beacon]

No

[eternal gull]

oh ok

[split beacon]

it's not permitted actually

[eternal gull]

fuck you then

(kindly)

[split beacon]

(go ahead lol)

[eternal gull]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[vagrant dove]

I hear the fucking music

I'm too brainrotted

[atomic steeple]

"I don't want this smoke"
"Too bad"

[gentle mulch]

ohhhhd

rink deep

a dd scend

[eternal gull]

||I dont like the design of second smoke war sinclair||

canto 9

spoiler

[split beacon]

wack

[gentle mulch]

||sinclair if he had aura is pretty jarring||

[split beacon]

what's the issue

[lean fjord]

valid opinion, though I personally don't agree

[gentle mulch]

the issue is that were not gonna see it againnnnnnnnAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[vagrant dove]

||he needed to steal edward elric's whole thing to make up for his chronic aura debt||

Also the opinion is valid, yeah

I don't mind the design myself

[eternal gull]

||I dont know it just seems sorta contrary to who his is ig?? tbh I just think I dislike his specific colour of yellow 😭 ||

[gentle mulch]

||"this isnt an ID" yeah it's a whole IP infringement||

[split beacon]

I think it works pretty well for the most part, really conveys the trench warfare vibe pretty well but still has some techwear-y City scifi aesthetic gear on

[gentle mulch]

it looks better in his timeline trust

[split beacon]

the layering of the outfit is a little screwy

[gentle mulch]

the blue smoke makes that yellow POP a lovely green

[eternal gull]

it is the will of the prescripts

[vagrant dove]

As is common I think the battle sprite looks way better

[gentle mulch]

It is the will of the prescripts

[vagrant dove]

Although to be fair,|| Dawnclair and Cinqclair possess aura, just LCB clair doesn't||

||he needs to take lessons from don again||

[split beacon]

I think that it looking screwy and unlike ||Sinclair|| is sort of the point, the energy is very much a manifested ||dark side of Sinclair|| that's in control, with the power fully in his hands

[gentle mulch]

i dont think hes going to take anything from don after spring cultivation

[vagrant dove]

I love how Don's just messing with people now

[vagrant dove]

I can see that yeah

[vagrant dove]

On a related note, I still feel so bad for Phillip

Poor guy was not built for the setting he was in

He along with Finn and Xiao would be protags in another story

Unfortunately he's up against a) the Library and b) an incredibly shit hand

[main scaffold]

The worst thing was him being teleported to the 8 o'clock circus, if it was anywhere else and he might have had a chance

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

Absolute worst place he could have ended up

[main scaffold]

Honestly, him just dying in that fight would have been better for him

[vagrant dove]

His mili song isn't my favourite, but it's so sad

(I think Children of the City is my absolute favourite)

(It's just so good)

[atomic steeple]

I love children of the city and saikai

[split beacon]

Carmen had a hand in this

I swear

[dusty sigil]

It was simply the Flow

[split beacon]

I can’t prove it but somehow she made sure that the teleport would go to the worst possible place for him

[dusty sigil]

There are no coincidences

Only narrative

[vagrant dove]

And then when he returns in the Ensemble he's just a shell of himself

Because of parts of him being booked

And the distortion

Man

[split beacon]

Hold out hope (cope) that Volatile Philip can return since he was booked

[atomic steeple]

Yeah

[split beacon]

And the Philip that escaped after Distorting was just a castoff fragment

[dusty sigil]

We’ll meet the revived dawn office in canto 10 trust the plan trust the process

[split beacon]

You know

Philip would be a good touch point for Meursault unironically

[dusty sigil]

Probably

[gentle mulch]

we're going to come in on volatile philip battling his distortion every day nonstop in like some crater in meursault's intervallo

[atomic steeple]

Yeah

[dusty sigil]

Like, canto 10 hopefully will deal with distortions again

[split beacon]

Meursault also being someone who wishes to shut his eyes, cover his ears, and seal his mouth

[dusty sigil]

Because like, Meursault almost certainly distorted for a bit

[split beacon]

He doesn’t want to think about anything

See anything

Or speak his truth

[vagrant dove]

You could say, he's a...

[split beacon]

He’s fearful of the world in a very similar way

[vagrant dove]

Stranger...

[atomic steeple]

Fem philip dating her senior

[vagrant dove]

(Sorry)

But seriously yeah

[atomic steeple]

Yeah
And how he gets sensory overwhelmed in the book

[split beacon]

Meursault is both literally and figuratively about that life yeah

[dusty sigil]

We find that N Corp has been collecting their own formerly distorted people

Because they want their own LCD

[gentle mulch]

goddd

whats his EGO cutscene going to be like

[dusty sigil]

Yah I am super curious

[atomic steeple]

So my idea for the ego cutscene

[vagrant dove]

Breaking the chains maybe?

[dusty sigil]

His EGO doesn’t really lend itself to something climatic tbh

[vagrant dove]

Since the whole idea of his uh

[dusty sigil]

It’s intentionally restrained

[vagrant dove]

Ego is being bound by the gaze of others

[atomic steeple]

Is a surveillance person or judge in a high place gets grabbed by the chains and dragged down

[dusty sigil]

Honestly chat

With how it seems like Meursault distorted in the past

I think he may be the first sinner to manifest his own EGO

Not one manifested from the mirror

[atomic steeple]

Surveillance because of the gaze theme and how n corp detects violations

[dusty sigil]

But his own volatile or efflorescenced EGO

[gentle mulch]

another new EGO type for the masses 😭

[vagrant dove]

One limbillion egos

[dusty sigil]

Also chat, have we ever like, gotten an unfought abnormality as the season’s main sinner EGO?

[vagrant dove]

Yinglong?

[dusty sigil]

Because I’m still waiting for Meursault’s Hole In The Man EGO

[dusty sigil]

We saw it before?

Sick

[stoic fjord]

Anything and everything we can add to the theories pile is useful and appreciated

[vagrant dove]

Oh wait, you mean those

Uhhj

Gregor or Outis is probably gonna get 4th Front of the Smoke War

[dusty sigil]

Oh shit maybe

[vagrant dove]

There is no way they don't do something with that

[dusty sigil]

It’s possible Outis had a direct hand in making it

So yah it’s super likely

[vagrant dove]

Resident of Metropolaris would also be cool imo

[split beacon]

he'll break the chains

tbh

[vagrant dove]

Oh and Star Luminary

Give me blue star content

We must return to the stars

[dusty sigil]

Man I just realized

[atomic steeple]

Yup. I like this abno so much
The weight of collective trauma that joins both sides together

[dusty sigil]

Chains of others is basically Meursault smacking you until you feel the gaze of others he feels constantly

[vagrant dove]

It's design is perfect for what it represents honestly

A serpent of barbed wire and bodies

[atomic steeple]

Just like me fr fr

[atomic steeple]

A fence that formerly separated them, and now binds them together

[vagrant dove]

I think it would genuinely fit Meursault on some level, because Metropolaris is a silent city

Noone to hear
Noone to see
Noone to speak

not a perfect match

but it would fit if we accept the phillip allegory imo

[vagrant dove]

yeah

it's such a cool abno

they have to be saving it for outis' canto

[atomic steeple]

If we ever get reverb ensemble ids
Crying children meursault

Which also means carmen never got philipclair to distort

"You are wrong, miss carmen" peak

[vagrant dove]

musicians of bremen id where the uptie story is just their noises

[vagrant dove]

genuinely peak cinema

[atomic steeple]

In the audio, song that might play when you fight sans is hidden

[vagrant dove]

there are a lot of cool abnos that haven't got ids yet imo

[faint pivot]

InDon's UT story flat out states this no?

[split beacon]

ye

[vagrant dove]

Wandering Mind Faust soon

trust

[atomic steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcQXXgl8SFI

@glad fable Hey, rememebr when I mentioned a video you wanted to see but I couldn't find? Here it is

The bugget oc getting pissed off at ||the reverberation ensemble rematch||

[main scaffold]

"Huh, I wonder why my sinking team is clearing MDs slower than I'm used to" <- person whose main team consists entirely of IDs based around that status that boosts your damage by 20%

We don't but ooh 👀

Pandora(She/her)(aka WaxMask) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) @glad fable Hey, rememebr when I mentioned a video you wanted to see but I couldn't find? …

[stoic fjord]

actually, most poise units have something to boost crit damage iirc

so likely a bit more than that

this is part of why SL Yi Sang is so important for sinking, it lets it do damage against enemies with SP instead of just being a visual effect

[faint pivot]

I feel like Rose picked Sinking gifts on a Poise team

This speculation is for the Doll to clarify, however

[main scaffold]

Oh no, we're doing a normal mirror dungeon with our (work in progress) sinking team

(Note: it is usually 2.5x the damage in mirror dungeons)

Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) "Huh, I wonder why my sinking team is clearing MDs slower than I'm used to" <- person whose main tea…

[eternal gull]

indeed

[main scaffold]

I think one of the most fun aspects of sinking as a team is that Butler Outis is clearly having the time of her life beating the shit out of people

[gentle mulch]

learn how she became so joyful

also kjh is really loving the unfocused volley trait huh

[atomic steeple]

You know what would be wonderful for sinking season?
More dieci stuff

[cosmic gorge]

aside from hana, were there any associations we've bumped shoulders with in the main world?

no dieci yet, but no seven or liu either

i imagine when things go Wingward we'll see em in person soon

[vagrant dove]

Cinq and Zwei obviously

Oufi was a fakeout

Uhhh

[cosmic gorge]

oh yeah

those two

jeez they really were a nothingburger plotline which was the Point, dang

[vagrant dove]

I don't think we've dealt with the Liu or Dieci

[vagrant dove]

Technically Moses was a Seven Association Fixer

But she now works for the LCD so

[atomic steeple]

A subordinate office

[vagrant dove]

True

Also technically Ahab was associated with the Eight Assoc iirc

But she probably was presumed dead by the time we met her

[atomic steeple]

The gaslighting association

[vagrant dove]

And besides, she was up to other stuff

Namely founding a cult

[stoic fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzDYXRWrTgU

what in the goddamn

by god they weren't fucking lying that shit was 1 turn

sorry mr. firecoin for daring to play the game

[vagrant dove]

Some people in this community terrify me with their prowess

How

[atomic steeple]

Dieci could be fun as a mod in ruina

[gentle mulch]

my fault

sorry for saying canto 9 was difficult firecoin

[main scaffold]

After playing around with the fraud duo some more, we have come to the conclusion that actually getting to use "I Shall Fire/Anytime" is very rare but is immensely satisfying whenever it does go off

[vagrant dove]

I can't wait till someone somehow 1 turns the roach emperor

Atp I'd be sorry to even play the same game as them

[main scaffold]

...now we just need to grap Ryoshu Thoracalgia so she actually contributes to the team outside of her cool trick 😅

[gentle mulch]

but...ryoshus cool trick!

[gentle mulch]

im dorry for using IDs that arent yours firecoin

[main scaffold]

Mmm true, we should grab Awe, Contempt Ryoshu too so she can do her trick a bit more consistently

...also I've realized that I have become conditioned into using whatever skills the Prescript marks, even when they are not actually the right option for the situation

[split beacon]

you can make it much more common with the relevant EGOs

Faust's Thoracalgia also pitches in a lot

[main scaffold]

How so?

[atomic steeple]

Welcome to the index

Stab a familiar warm body

[faint pivot]

You can use it on turn 3 if you're betting that Yi Sang crits

[split beacon]

okay so the thing about Ryoshu's Thoracalgia is that it has a hard time affecting anyone but Ryoshu, you can get one, MAYBE two or three other targets if you use it at a really opportune time

[faint pivot]

And/or Ryo dies

[main scaffold]

Ah right

red_d_terrarian ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) You can use it on turn 3 if you're betting that Yi Sang crits

And if you've built up enough gaze

[faint pivot]

I wonder if anyone's tried using the fraud duo in Bleed rather than Poise

[split beacon]

I use the Fraud Duo in Bleed

they're FAR more effective

[faint pivot]

Oh 3 turns is the minimum for NShu's 7 gaze

[split beacon]

you're talking to the fraud expert here, I'm the inspector and shit

[main scaffold]

They're probably better in bleed yeah, outside of building up poise anyway

red_d_terrarian ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) I wonder if anyone's tried using the fraud duo in Bleed rather than Poise

[split beacon]

I've done a lot of theorycrafting and experimentation to fine-tune the perfect team that maximizes their bullshit

[faint pivot]

If you've used her skill 1 and skill 2 alongside Lust Res you've inflicted 7 gaze by the time turn 3 starts

[faint pivot]

May I see thine workings

[gentle mulch]

i wish i could pursue fraud investigation as a career

[split beacon]

sure so

[gentle mulch]

1. because the Justice of a fixer
2. getting into a slander argument and pulling out a cert

[split beacon]

the team is the frauds, Shi Fau, Capitano Greg and 3 Bloodfiends (I use Manager Don, Princess Rodya, and Prince Meursault because they're the most self-sufficient 3 without Pregor)

[stoic fjord]

Optimizing for a meta team to maximize damage: 🥱 😴
Optimizing off-meta to do a gimmick as often as possible: 🥳 😍

[split beacon]

no no

optimizing this gimmick means you do stupid damage lmfao

[stoic fjord]

Ok yeah true

[stoic fjord]

...I'm actually fairly close to being able to do this

I just need a couple more UT4s, levels, and Shi Faust...

[split beacon]

this team has no Nebulizer Alpha access though, if you want that you need to ditch either Capitano Greg or Prince Meursault for Ring Sang to get the Gloom skill

now

Shi Faust is here to be a Bloise unit with a Lust defense skill that carries her Thoracalgia into battle, if you don't care about that you can ditch her for another Bloodfiend or for Ring Sang if you really want him

[faint pivot]

There's a Ryoshu, we can get ts from Soda /j

[split beacon]

if you REALLY want to Neb Alpha though

you want Capitano Greg too since he's another outlet to your Sloth EGO resource that you need to pick up

[atomic steeple]

Contempt awe can get you gloom

[stoic fjord]

Don't you need a crit for the cool trick? How are we getting poise on FBSang for it?

[split beacon]

Thoracalgia!

[faint pivot]

He can build his own poise stack

[stoic fjord]

Ryoshu's?

[split beacon]

Both, preferably, you can build your own poise stack for FBSang since he's a bloise unit but his suuuuucks

[faint pivot]

His counter is neutral and his skill 1 is +2

[stoic fjord]

Ah, ok

[atomic steeple]

It must be significant bloodfiends lack gloom and are afraid of water

[stoic fjord]

Wait, so you just said we didn't have gloom for Neb. Alpha

[split beacon]

you can have gloom for Neb Alpha

I explained how

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhh okay yeah fair mb

[split beacon]

plus Contempt, Awe can ensorcel one or two

speaking of which, using the EGOs.

Thoracalgia comes in two flavors: Ryoshu's is Neb Beta, and Faust's is Neb Alpha

[atomic steeple]

They share their pain and hardship together, yet fear waters of gloom

[gentle mulch]

i heart neb alphaaaa

when will faust get a waw egooo

[split beacon]

Neb Alpha is harder to find more of and this team struggles to synthesize it in the first place, but it is the good shit.

[split beacon]

Everlasting?

[gentle mulch]

tremor doesn't exist to meeee

[stoic fjord]

tremor is fake

[atomic steeple]

Give her a sinking waw

[split beacon]

also this time is gonna have a bit of a hard time (not impossible, but tricky) activating Nebulizer Beta

[gentle mulch]

give her anything but tremor

[atomic steeple]

It's the superior control

[split beacon]

that being said neb beta is almost always going to activate on FB Sang- goddamnit I just remembered why you can't use RingSang lmfao

[stoic fjord]

yeah I was confused

[split beacon]

okay yeah that's my B

[atomic steeple]

Welp, use CA or n cliff

[split beacon]

luckily this team does have a relatively easy time powering up Contempt, Awe

so it IS manageable

[atomic steeple]

Canto 9 was me desperately activating this ego every fight so meursault could use chains of others

[main scaffold]

ngl I forgot Allen Greg was called that and thought you were talking about Smee Gregor at first

Lunatic Blue ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) you want Capitano Greg too since he's another outlet to your Sloth EGO resource that you need to pic…

[split beacon]

since you only need the one Gloom resource to fuel Faust's Thoracalgia anyways and that's a set-and-forget ego passive

[faint pivot]

I mean it's not like ISF/A is impossible without the Thora's

[split beacon]

ANYWAYS, on using the EGOs properly

[main scaffold]

...hm. Bloise.

Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) ngl I forgot Allen Greg was called that and thought you were talking about Smee Gregor at first 📎

[split beacon]

Contempt, Awe has a huge leg up in this team because you can summon large lust res chains easily

[faint pivot]

Bloise outside MD kinda interferes with each other

[split beacon]

everyone but NShu and FBSang has a Lust defense

[stoic fjord]

and those two have lust skills and Ryoshu has a lust zayin

or

wait no she's using her lust waw

[split beacon]

and that means you can get the funny 7 lust res Contempt, Awe to activate and short circuit the shit out of Contemptshu

[stoic fjord]

ignore me

[split beacon]

because normally, there's a punishment for activating Contempt, Awe at 7+ Res and getting its maximum attack weight, which is that it applies Grasp to Ryoshu and she gets weaker

but applying Contempt to Contemptshu is good, it makes her able to do her funny moves, and high weight Contempt, Awe EGO applies 2 Gaze across every target

which is also good.

[faint pivot]

Moves plural?

I thought Grasp on Ryo just enabled ISF/A

[main scaffold]

...grasp?

[faint pivot]

Either way, tis a tidbit I didn't realize, thank you

[gentle mulch]

grasp is a special status

[split beacon]

it's actually Contempt

[gentle mulch]

fuck me

[split beacon]

but also, while Contempt is on Contemptshu it also causes damage to anyone who attacks her

[faint pivot]

Ah well it's the hand symbol

[split beacon]

better avert your gazes, and so on.

anyways the other upside is that short circuiting the Gaze application like that means you can immediately do a really strong Cascading Gaze of Awe Underneath Contempt (albeit with a lot of Damage Down on Ryoshu because of Contempt of the Gaze)

[faint pivot]

CA the EGO applies Contempt on-use right?

[split beacon]

only at 7+ Lust res

[faint pivot]

Meaning you should Guard if Yi Sang's faster?

[faint pivot]

Oh it's Gaze on the turn you use it

[main scaffold]

Oh right, because @#$'s Hand I Let Slip still works on the ego

Lunatic Blue ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) anyways the other upside is that short circuiting the Gaze application like that means you can immed…

[faint pivot]

and before attack

[split beacon]

yeah, you always use the EGO before the turn you want to ISF/A

[faint pivot]

...ah

The 3 letter word is "kid"

[main scaffold]

So everyone gets a fuck ton of gaze so you fulfill the 7+ gaze on enemies
…assuming there are at least four enemies anyway

[split beacon]

yeah

it's great

[keen palm]

The Middle Team is so fucking funny

[split beacon]

now the other shortcircuit you can do to get the ball rolling faster with the frauds is to use Fell Bullet EGO the same way

[main scaffold]

I think its supposed to be her name but she can’t remember it so it’s glitched out

red_d_terrarian ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) The 3 letter word is "kid"

[split beacon]

because FB Yi Sang, the ID, has a cheat

[faint pivot]

I'm of the belief that PMoon censorship always matches the letter count

[split beacon]

As long as you get 3+ Pride resonance when using Fell Bullet, which the team I described earlier can do

you'll get cheap Poise gain on Yi Sang, the wonderful Fell Bullet EGO passive, and you'll immediately max out FB Yi Sang's special status

[main scaffold]

(Note that you have to have at least 11 pride resources for this to work)

Lunatic Blue ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1208554035326484531 message)

[main scaffold]

What was the team comp again?

[split beacon]

the team is the frauds, Shi Fau, Capitano Greg and 3 Bloodfiends (I use Manager Don, Princess Rodya, and Prince Meursault because they're the most self-sufficient 3 without Pregor)

[main scaffold]

👍

[faint pivot]

Ain't it 4 Pride reson

[split beacon]

There's some tinkering you can do to find additional Pride access, simply abandon the dream of activating Nebulizer Alpha and use N Faust on the bench, etc.

[split beacon]

yeah my b

[faint pivot]

Cause the formula drops the +1

[main scaffold]

Finally, a reason to use Shi Fau’s gimmick

[faint pivot]

I mean compared to Beta Alpha doesn't really do much here no?

[main scaffold]

That team doesn’t have any gloom generation though?

Lunatic Blue ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) There's some tinkering you can do to find additional Pride access, simply abandon the dream of activ…

[split beacon]

again

Mark of the Gaze

[faint pivot]

CA

[main scaffold]

Ah, right

[faint pivot]

Oh Mark of the Gaze is CA's passive I forgor

[split beacon]

but yeah this team leans heavy into actually using your EGOs to maximize access to its gimmicks

you want Mark of the Gaze, you want Nebulizers active

in general FB Yi Sang really wants his EGO passive, it makes him way stronger

[main scaffold]

Is there a designated sacrifice for it or is someone just expected to tank it

[split beacon]

FB Yi Sang at 7 Torn Memory is a nightmare, fucker deals a lot of extra damage on crits and getting paid for critting and killing enemies is good

[faint pivot]

Latter

Presumably Shi Fau since she's already tanking

And ignores stagger while doin so

[split beacon]

latter but you can take a designated sacrifice if you prefer not shooting a friend

[faint pivot]

If that sacrifice has a pride s1 or s2 then you only need 9 Pride Resources to benefit from Yi Sang's passive

[main scaffold]

If they didn’t want to be shot in the back then they shouldn’t have been on a team with Fell Sang

[stoic fjord]

ignore the fact that we assign our teams

[split beacon]

having the Fell Bullet ammo from killing an ally is awesome but you're never going to see it

[faint pivot]

They should've resigned smh

[faint pivot]

It comes up from time to time

[main scaffold]

Then they shouldn't have signed the contract!

Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) ignore the fact that we assign our teams

[split beacon]

the realest way to make it happen is to use Fell Bullet EGO to kill an ally and then immediately do the fraud combo with the poise you just gained

that sequence is +14 Poise potency

[main scaffold]

Oh hey, Shi Faust is pierce resistant and her base ego resists poise, nice

[stoic fjord]

do you mean resists pride

[main scaffold]

Yeah 😅

[faint pivot]

Close enough

[wild mango]

was ANYONE on our side in canto 9 doing bleed?

[split beacon]

yeah shi faust can eat fell bullets like candy

[wild mango]

slightly sad about ren sinclair since that means STILL no good bleed Sinclair id

[split beacon]

you shoot through her and into some random on the enemy team and then next turn Yi Sang and Ryoshu both go "hehehe"

[faint pivot]

Vergilius

[wild mango]

lmao

rip

[faint pivot]

You say this but we're getting pretty damn close

Oh

Ezra's skill 3 does Bleed

[main scaffold]

Very normal damage numbers
Ignore how we had to make half the skills defends to not kill everyone before ISF/A went off

[faint pivot]

Completely fair tbh

I do that every time I do XP lux

[wild mango]

Canto 9 spoilers ||one thing with Ezra, is that due to how shin and mang works, the memory that she uses for it must be of PURE HAPPINESS because of how she’s BEAMING in the attack animation where she uses it||

||and I’m like… pure happiness?? In this economy??? In THIS city???||

||and that’s one more reason why the LCD is goated||

[ebon forge]

Where ya sitting

[gentle mulch]

im jumping out

[tiny cave]

aisle

[split beacon]

just put me straight in the coffin, save yourself the trouble

[bronze zephyr]

8

[tiny cave]

easy 3

[split beacon]

I like that there isn't even a seat in the psycho murderer bloc

[split beacon]

cool detail: Valencina's precognitive eye flashes red before she attacks
https://youtu.be/j3uBystFSfI

and Disposal has a unique aura-farming pose where you get to see the flash framed behind her turned head, as well as a second eye-flash before she pulls the trigger for the killing blow

[ebon forge]

jesus christ this granny has a BRICK for her polycule

[ebon forge]

istg if she wasnt literally this meme she'd be pure fucking AURA

i believe her when she said everyone feared her

[split beacon]

she is aura, she's just also terrible

[atomic steeple]

Memory of moses hanging out with her

[ebon forge]

im going to beat esgoo up for insulting HRT

[quaint cliff]

HE LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING UMBRELLA 😭

[ebon forge]

thats it, meursault, claim his balls

[quaint cliff]

When I roast spaghetti squash, that’s what I put in my fucking oven

It’s not even the art, the art’s great. But the actual sprite is just

[atomic steeple]

Sinclair just looks like her mom now
And we now see she had ample reasons to get prosthetics

[tiny cave]

don/don yuri

[signal kindle]

The best

[worthy haven]

Easy clap

[cosmic gorge]

time to be in actual synch with the plot and go thru canto 9

[lean fjord]

Good luck

[cosmic gorge]

ok which team is good against ||fem!okarun with the HermesGPT||

[faint pivot]

What

Who

Oh, duh

Uhhh I think I did...

Heiburn?

[cosmic gorge]

rupburn?

which ryo id

[cloud wadi]

contempt awe shu

capo meursault

night awl gregor

and yi sang of your choice but I went with n corp sang

[cosmic gorge]

oh thats my team except caposalt

ok ill do that

my ass is underleveled i am being hammered right now

[faint pivot]

Oh wait

I misremembered

I went with exactly what Charlie used lmao

Though I used Cassault cause might as well use that Bleed

[cloud wadi]

caposault better for clashing

[cosmic gorge]

ok i survived long enough for mr sloth to come by

[unique bane]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qrzjv8/lobotomy_ego_justitia_hong_lu_when_the_time_comes/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[stoic fjord]

Okay I know Meursault Justitia is probably more thematically appropriate or whatever but holy shit this is actually so fucking peak

[vagrant dove]

I am also a meursault truther but this art is so peam

The jade eye being the open one???

Cinema

[cloud wadi]

If hong Lu gets index ID he’ll get a prescript to keep only his jade eye open

[stoic fjord]

he actually looks so fucking depressed it's insane

[vagrant dove]

I love this genre of meme

[stoic fjord]

even Lord of Hongyuan Hong Lu was happier

[vagrant dove]

I mean Lord Lu at least has the catharsis of laying waste to the Elders

This hong lu is in the "I should be punished for not being able to save the Kong" mindset

also making skill names for an index oc

i think i've got them down fairly well

a lot were admittedly lifted/inspired by passages in Book 6 of the Aeneid, since that's the inspiration for the character

but I think they fit

[stoic fjord]

do you need 7 torn memory for the cool trick

I forgor

it seems you do not

[uneven canopy]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qrj6o4/the_middle_sister_rodya/

[split beacon]

https://www.tumblr.com/starryharmonics/806423524970561536/got-an-idea

it took me 29 packs of dynamite to defeat gibby

got an idea...

Tumblr · Jan 22, 2026, 7:03 AM

[bronze zephyr]

Apprenticestuck……..

[split beacon]

Your name is KIRA. As was prevously mentioned it is your BIRTHDAY, which you share with your DAD. A number of MODEL KITS are scattered about your room. You have a variety of INTERESTS. You have a passion for REALLY AWESOME FIXERS. You like to do martial arts but you are NOT VERY GOOD AT IT. You have a fondness for VENGEANCE and are an aspiring BIG SISTER OF THE MIDDLE. You also like to play GAMES sometimes.

What will you do?

[gentle mulch]

/> KILL YOUR FATHER. DIE OF OLD AGE.

[eternal gull]

https://tenor.com/view/dom-quixote-sancho-limbus-company-stare-gif-7655719010350112039

[gentle mulch]

you know maybe i dont mind if a white girl speaks a little bit of chinese

[dusty sigil]

This is why Don and Sinclair are compatible

[gentle mulch]

watching a video on canto 9 right now

if this is what a single corridor raid is like

What the fuck is the war going to look like???

[split beacon]

same as war ever does

Hell on Earth.

[dusty sigil]

Which war? The smoke war 2?

[gentle mulch]

THE WAR

[dusty sigil]

Type shit

[gentle mulch]

this population decrease

the nebulae group

the sign

fucking

kromer 2 war purge boogaloo

THE WAR

H Corp almost had a war

W Corp any year is going to have rabid dogs eating at its corpse for falling a little too low

"why doesnt verg get involve why does the lcb have to do all the why verg stand like that wh" THE ROACH IS COMING

[vagrant dove]

Yeah the City in general is suffering the fallout of L Corp's whole web falling apart

[dusty sigil]

Ohhhhh

[vagrant dove]

Wouldn't be surprised if the energy crisis starts getting worse honestly

[gentle mulch]

me neither

but holy shit what the fuck are we going to do against a war

[vagrant dove]

Objective: survive

[gentle mulch]

we barely stopped H Corp's and that was with a ton of help

[vagrant dove]

I don't think we can match the shit the wings have

H Corp's was fairly light as well

Like it was essentially a bunch of other corps hedging their bets to see if they could muscle in, not a full scale effort

I imagine all out conflict is going to be an order of magnitude bigger

[vagrant dove]

I also would not be surprised if say, N Corp starts gathering some allies for the upcoming prosthetic purge

If they start actively working to build their own coalition in opposition to Limbus' web

Q-Corp could be a partner

Given their probable disatisfaction with the events of Canto 8 and the intervallo

[stoic fjord]

the fall of Lob Corp has had disastrous consequences for The City

okay so

correct me if i'm remembering wrong

but according to Thumb hierarchy, a messenger of the Index delivering a prescript genuinely supercedes all other rank, right?

[main scaffold]

I think so?

I wonder if K Corp is gonna have a leopards eating faces moment

NACL | Scifi Sicko 2 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) I also would not be surprised if say, N Corp starts gathering some allies for the upcoming prostheti…

[keen palm]

I don't think the Messenger itself counts as being higher rank

however the Prescript is the authority of the head of the index

[dusty sigil]

From their interaction it seems like they'll give them some leiwey to deliver their prescript but the messenger themself is still very much below a capo in the hierarchy

since Denis was pretty quick to threaten Yan

[stoic fjord]

that is sort of what I meant, yeah

[vagrant dove]

I think it probably works like

[stoic fjord]

okay so the actual messenger isn't all that special beyond like, they'll be given the space to deliver their prescript

[vagrant dove]

how the Thumb have a provision to invest a subordinate with a certain rank

[stoic fjord]

and the prescript will be followed

[dusty sigil]

yah

[vagrant dove]

Messengers represent the Will of the City, which is presumably held to be of fairly high rank

but if they digress from that role, they lose that protection

[stoic fjord]

so it's the will of the city that supercedes all other authority, and messengers are an extension of such so long as they are only there to carry out that will

[split beacon]

Messengers and presumably Proxies are considered representatives of an extraordinarily high-ranking power when acting on the Will of the City's orders

but otherwise they're merely low-ranking trash

[stoic fjord]

inter-finger dynamics are so interesting to me

[vagrant dove]

yeah I wonder how it works with the Ring

I assume that there's like

[split beacon]

also something neat I noticed - Valencina's weapons are a rapier and a saber, both with Thumb propulsion weapon tech, but their propulsion systems are designed differently

[vagrant dove]

a hierarchy to Maestros partly based on who's in vogue so to speak

that the Thumb has to keep track of

[split beacon]

her saber is like a miniature of Lei Heng's podao, while her rapier is more like a Soldato's rocket spear

which makes sense, a saber is designed for swinging with a cutting edge and a rapier is for piercing

you can observe this in the way she fights as well, her saber is used for clashing and for making fluid series of cuts, while the rapier is reserved for killing blows where she tries to pierce her opponent and then blow a hole straight through them with the acceleration function

[dusty sigil]

I kinda wonder why she traded in her rifle and bayonet for them tbh

[split beacon]

one of them is a symbol of authority

[dusty sigil]

Like, they’re cool but she wasn’t using them until she was in the house of spiders

[split beacon]

that she was granted upon rising to the rank of Sottocapo

[dusty sigil]

Oh they were?

[split beacon]

yeah

[dusty sigil]

Ah damn, fair enough

[vagrant dove]

the other she might have carried as a sidearm during the war

[split beacon]

her description text in "The Shame of Family Bognatelli" explains that she was told to keep the weapon she was granted, because it's tainted now that she's held it

[dusty sigil]

Damn, they really hated her ass

Letting her keep 2 extremely high grade workshop weapons just because they’re too dirty to be used after she wielded them for 3 days

[stoic fjord]

"we highkey fucking hate your ass, take your shit and leave, we don't even want it you fucking bum"

[vagrant dove]

"we don't even want your relic"

[split beacon]

it's so typical of her character to continue clinging to her former rank but also her shame by continuing to wield the symbol of her former authority while in exile

[stoic fjord]

wait, was the relic also from Bognatelli?

[split beacon]

her eye of precognition is a mystery

[stoic fjord]

ah, alr

[vagrant dove]

maybe?

[dusty sigil]

I do remember they also “allowed her to keep it”

So presumably they owned it

Or at least felt ownership over it

[vagrant dove]

but they do mention that she's "allowed" to keep it

and it is one part of 3

[split beacon]

⁨⁨This Relic, known as the Eye of Odin, is but a third of a whole Relic that was broken into three parts.⁩⁩
this is all we know about the Eye of Odin

[vagrant dove]

so I personally think it might have been something they owned and parcelled out to promising swordspeople

[dusty sigil]

It’s not like a prestigious thumb family couldn’t get their hands on a relic or two tbh

[split beacon]

I hope we find the Famiglia Bognatelli in the future and discover that they never produced a prodigy like Valencina ever again, it would make her story perfect

[vagrant dove]

the family heirloom could be either the sword or the relic

[stoic fjord]

ok now I'm curious how the original relic was

[dusty sigil]

It would be super funny if she was this close to not only getting back in her family but slotting back in perfectly again lol

[stoic fjord]

100% agreed, it would be so fucking perfect

[dusty sigil]

Honestly I think it may be related to Gungir

They’re both tools of Odin after all

Well, his eye but you know

[vagrant dove]

ah

both are also related to heat in some way

Gungnir created that lava river and we know the Eye of Odin overheats

[vagrant dove]

also yeah

this would be perfect

[split beacon]

considering that the Famiglia Bognatelli were swordmasters practicing a specific Palermitan Style that prized highly skilled swordsmen

[dusty sigil]

You mean in Norse mythology or PM?

[split beacon]

I think the family heirloom was probably one of her swords

[dusty sigil]

Because so far Gungir has shown no fire powers in PM

[vagrant dove]

In PM

[dusty sigil]

It’s a tremor tool

[vagrant dove]

oh I mixed up my weapons

[split beacon]

I think they mixed up Gungnir and Laevateinn

[dusty sigil]

Yah, Gungir is Vespa’s spear

[vagrant dove]

I was thinking of Matthias

that is on me lmao

[dusty sigil]

It’s fine lol

[vagrant dove]

mea culpa

but yeah

[dusty sigil]

But we do know Vespa just, found Gungir one day

As a young man

[split beacon]

in the ruins

[vagrant dove]

I mean the eye also uh

[dusty sigil]

So it’s possible the family found the eye and he found Gungir

[vagrant dove]

it seems to very much perfectly intersect with the style

[split beacon]

true

[dusty sigil]

Wait do you think the sword is also a relic?

Because that I am doubtful again

[vagrant dove]

I think the Family has the other two bits

and gave Valencina one

and then she had the noodle incident

[keen palm]

The eye seems like the relic more than anything

since the eye is the only thing pointed out to have any kind of power

[dusty sigil]

It is explicitly a relic

[split beacon]

⁨"You were an inheritor of the Palermitan style and a wielder of our family heirloom—you had every privilege one could ever hope for. How dare you embarrass yourself like this?"⁩

[dusty sigil]

The eye of Odin

[split beacon]

I think the family heirloom and the relic are two separate objects

[dusty sigil]

Ohhh, yah the sword is an heirloom

I think it is just a workshop weapon though

[split beacon]

probably

[dusty sigil]

Just, an exceptional one

[split beacon]

I think probably the lay of the land is that the Relic is a Relic, which means it has a past independent of the story of Family Bognatelli and can't really be their heirloom symbolic of their authority and culture

it has its own name, etc.

also they mention the relic and the sword separately

so my guess is that the family heirloom that the Bognatelli granted Valencina is one of her swords

[dusty sigil]

Yah, I’m betting the rapier

No real reason

It just feels like the more important of her two swords

Since she uses it significantly less

[keen palm]

It's 99% the sword she mainly uses in her final attack

[dusty sigil]

Also that first line really does make the Palermitan style sound very exclusive to teach

Something I bet they only teach capos from the family

[keen palm]

Damn this is a big update

[split beacon]

considering that when she uses Mang, she spends 80% of the attack going crazy with her saber, with no Mang ring and then at the end pulls out her Mang-enhanced rapier and goes for the kill

I think the rapier is probably her heirloom sword

oh wait no she transfers it from weapon to weapon

that's interesting

[dusty sigil]

I mean I don’t think there’s anything stopping you from using mang on only one weapon

People use mang to attack and then demanifest it after the attack is over

It’s not like an always on thing

[split beacon]

I guess it just goes to whatever weapon or body part you're focusing on

[dusty sigil]

Yah

Verg swaps mang between his sword and his legs all the time

[split beacon]

ACS is able to start with 2 on one weapon, then switch to another weapon and move both there, and then divide them across both before finishing his attack

[keen palm]

Those also

are katanas

I don't know why we're saying rapiers

[dusty sigil]

Italian gangster dual wielding bullet powered katana and rapier who speak Korean

[split beacon]

this is not a katana

[keen palm]

She's holding it sideways

[split beacon]

also Valencina has dialogue where she says "good thing I kept my rapier sharp"

[dusty sigil]

Also yah that’s definitely a rapier, her other sword is a katana though yah

[split beacon]

and exclusively uses that weapon for thrusting attacks

[keen palm]

Ah okay, this whole time I read both sheathes as katanas

[dusty sigil]

Its easier to see the differences in her talk sprite

[keen palm]

Bop-tarts......

[dusty sigil]

honestly part of me wishes the rapier's guard was more complicated

I imagine itd be hard to animate though

[dusty sigil]

Good to know Outis is still fucking up her diet in the mirror world too

Matthias and her can bond over that

[split beacon]

yeah here we are

9-34

[dusty sigil]

it does seem to also be her prefered weapon

she pretty much exclusively talks about it

she never brings up her katana

Chat, you think there’s people in the city who exclusively augment their head to make it as durable as possible?

So their brain always survives?

[atomic steeple]

I wish more games had a whole archetype based on psychic damage and giving your enemies mental illness

[atomic steeple]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qsak0x/very_big_bird_misg1111/

[stoic fjord]

I don't think you'd need to only augment the head for this

but I do figure that people invest a ton into keeping their noggin safe

[ebon forge]

https://tenor.com/view/project-moon-roland-john-head-bluesky-pmsky-gif-17211326540451054190

[ebon forge]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/killsixbilliondemons/images/f/f4/Head_of_John.png/revision/latest?cb=20200614181335

Type fixer

[split beacon]

Head of John is a good technique

[ebon forge]

Lesbian headbutt, go!

[gentle mulch]

monoslash for lux but im really happy jeongmael has this visual for her color matching

because uhhh

i am not finding that status

[stoic fjord]

I used mods that were a bit OP to beat the Binah floor realization

it was fun anyways and it's like

it's singleplayer, I can enjoy it how I want, I'm not here to get bogged down by a fight that's just like. harder than I can really deal with ig

I might try again in vanilla at some point, but for now I kinda just wanna chill and go through it all

[gentle mulch]

exactly!

you get it

[stoic fjord]

hrm

the Reverb Ensemble

is like

"damn. I feel you. but also holy shit we have to fucking murderize you this shit is not kosher"

[vagrant dove]

yeah it's really helpful

[vagrant dove]

it's that combination of "i feel sorry for you" and "i don't think this is it chief"

for a lot of them

[split beacon]

The most pitiful Reverb Ensemble members it’s like “this sucks, but we have no choice but to fight” and the most heinous ones it’s like “actually you dying here would be a net positive for the City and that’s crazy, most of the guests are at least ambiguous”

[stoic fjord]

true

[stoic fjord]

Jae-heon I'm like

"damn, man... I feel so bad for you. I wish things could have been better."

"BUT ALSO HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT TO CORPSES"

[vagrant dove]

yeah he was who I was thinking of

alongside Phillip (who's the most "i feel really bad for you" out of all of them)

[stoic fjord]

Phillip, buddy

I feel you

but like, fucking go to therapy and then like, consume art about how beauty is intrinsically fleeting and how impermanence does not make something not worth treasuring or whatever