from the time sports illustrated had a bunch of varying athletes for a photoshoot
#Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.
crimson spindle
stoic fjord
also true, the most they went into it was like... I think probably Tanya and also the Stray Dogs
besides that, not really
dusty sigil
Yah
stoic fjord
that is fair yeah
split beacon
Muscles are kinda vibe based in Limbus too
stoic fjord
still. show me buff women please KJH I will spend 600 dollar
split beacon
It’s more about if you’re supposed to look thuggish and rough rather than if you’re supposed to be able to hit like a jackhammer
crimson spindle
now kali used more of a greatsword style so she'd be a little more strengthy looking
if we wanted to go there
but like, swordfighting isn't strength based
stoic fjord
It’s more about if you’re supposed to look thuggish and rough rather than if you...
also true, yeah
crimson spindle
beyond the basic level needed to maintain control
dusty sigil
Also doesn’t help most people wear non form fitting suits
dusty sigil
Like, the middle is the most consistently muscular faction in the game
crimson spindle
power comes from structure and correct motion
dusty sigil
And that’s because they don’t wear shirts
stoic fjord
but like, swordfighting isn't strength based
I remember Kali's thing sort of being like, extreme brute force though?
at least to an extent. ik she's skilled but I also remember a lot of it just being her simply being The Strongest
I should probably read more lore entries
stoic fjord
And that’s because they don’t wear shirts
true
dusty sigil
But I would expect Kali to be toned as all hell
First thing we need to see is her arms in general tbh
split beacon
Kali’s thing is that her style is very straightforward and doesn’t rely on gimmicks
She just crushes people with overwhelming power and speed
gentle mulch
are there any muscular women in pjm built as bulky
dusty sigil
Tanya
split beacon
are there any muscular women in pjm built as bulky
Tanya
stoic fjord
Tanya... 🤤
split beacon
Tanya is a block of muscle with a jackal head
dusty sigil
She’s about as bulky as you can expect from a ruina character
Hell she’s shirtless in her final fight
dusty sigil
which means technically ruina has nudity
split beacon
Clothes only make her weaker
dusty sigil
That’s true
gentle mulch
i believe that actually
gentle mulch
if her distortion is like "man fuck society lets just decide things with our strength" the idea of wearing clothes seems not strength-related
keen palm
*one of the most popular dueling youtubers
gentle mulch
anything can be a technique if you give it a name
split beacon
Tanya’s Distortion is less “fuck society let’s decide things with strength”, that’s her attitude
gentle mulch
horizontal slash
crimson spindle
*one of the most popular dueling youtubers
he's both
dusty sigil
she's just better and faster than you
Tanya is the same actually
All of her mechanics are just, she moves fast
And hits hard
crimson spindle
he's like top 2% in the rankings
dusty sigil
And hits harder the faster she is
keen palm
Ive never seen him claim to have won any kind of tournament or anything
split beacon
But her Distortion was (probably) realizing that actually solidarity and mutualism can’t do shit against someone who’s just built different, and that’s all an illusion to make you feel better about your personal strength and ability
crimson spindle
yes, historical fencing
keen palm
Ehhh
split beacon
Because she’s a former Middle member whose family were slaughtered by Roland
crimson spindle
that's why I specified that and not modern sport fencing
gentle mulch
oh wow i didnt know he was ranked that high
dusty sigil
But her Distortion was (probably) realizing that actually solidarity and mutual...
Yah, Roland’s rampage did prove the middle’s familial structure and revenge seeking as useless
crimson spindle
or armored combat, or any of the like 4 other categories it could have been
dusty sigil
Because not only did he destroy them
They also didn’t even know who he was so there was no revenge to be had
split beacon
I think it’s really neat btw that Tanya’s Distorted body has golden tattoos
gentle mulch
yes
split beacon
It’s a weird sublimation of the Middle’s aesthetics
dusty sigil
what does Kali's E.G.O even do, actually
Make her stronger
And faster
And act as armor
gentle mulch
it's her
gebura's ego page is just "what if i got emotional enough to get stronger" and she does
because she's Her
she has always been Her
she will continue to be Her
split beacon
She recognized that one must simply be built different to survive but the tattoos, unlike the chains, still fit that aesthetic of personal singular strength
stoic fjord
And act as armor
so even her E.G.O is just flat out "I am going to fucking hit you like a semi-truck impacting a tricycle"
gentle mulch
and there has not been a time that she was not Her
split beacon
So she’s still got her Middle tattoos but recast in gold
vagrant dove
It's impossible for geb to be more Her
dusty sigil
she will continue to be Her
dusty sigil
so even her E.G.O is just flat out "I am going to fucking hit you like a semi-tr...
Yup
gentle mulch
so even her E.G.O is just flat out "I am going to fucking hit you like a semi-tr...
no more like a semi truck being launched as a bullet
split beacon
Kali’s EGO also overwrites and assimilates her Mimicry blade
gentle mulch
there is no limit to the glaze
dusty sigil
Gebura is both unstoppable spear and indestructible shield
gentle mulch
i was searching for the words to describe the mimicry portion
but she does in fact
corrode an abno
because she's Her
split beacon
It’s a very straightforward EGO for a very straightforward person lol
stoic fjord
I genuinely think that we might genuinely either
A. never see someone stronger than Prime Kali
B. see someone stronger, and have it genuinely be such a giant fucking moment that it's like, end of Paradiso shit
crimson spindle
(of course there's also the distinction that they're not fencing in the historical styles, they're doing the equivalent of mma for fencing, but like, there's only so many words)
split beacon
We have seen someone stronger than Kali in her prime
dusty sigil
I genuinely think that we might genuinely either
A. never see someone stronger t...
I don’t tbh
gentle mulch
"dont you want a human shell too" mm dont care fuse with me
"yes kali I Love You kali please dont hurt me"
crimson spindle
(they ain't know destreza)
stoic fjord
We have seen someone stronger than Kali in her prime
wait we have?
dusty sigil
I think Pmoon really loves Kali as, the strongest fixer of all time
gentle mulch
yeah and thats Gebura with the light
split beacon
But it’s ||Gebura reincarnate||
stoic fjord
ohhhhh yeah lmao
gentle mulch
YEAHHHH
dusty sigil
I don’t think anyone will ever take over her title
gentle mulch
SAME BRAIN
gentle mulch
vagrant dove
So Her that she was Her only real opp
stoic fjord
Library went ||"ok so what if we took Kali. and then made her stronger."||
gentle mulch
sent that shit at the same time
keen palm
They also didn’t even know who he was so there was no revenge to be had
Well they presumably know enough to track him down in his bad ending
stoic fjord
I don’t think anyone will ever take over her title
true
gentle mulch
Library went ||"ok so what if we took Kali. and then made her stronger."||
yeah thats literally the plot
split beacon
The Middle didn’t catch him in the bad end
vagrant dove
Everyone else did
dusty sigil
Well they presumably know enough to track him down in his bad ending
I thought he just got killed by some randos
keen palm
He got killed by his enemies
split beacon
Specifically Charles’s Office tracked him down
stoic fjord
hrm
I wonder if Bari is like
close to prime Red Mist
vagrant dove
I hope we see Bari again
split beacon
True but the iconic shot is his body impaled by all the iconic Paladin weapons
stoic fjord
I hope we see Bari again
there's no way we don't
dusty sigil
Yah bari is like, the one possibility I think for someone stronger then Gebura
And even then
I think Gebura is stronger
stoic fjord
I honestly think they're gonna hit a tie at most
like
I do not think Gebura will ever be dethroned as simply Being Her with further consideration
keen palm
Well Limbus eventually will at this rate
stoic fjord
yeah well we're 12 immortal chucklefucks drawing power from alternate worlds
and I also still doubt we'd reach Gebura level with all 12 combined ngl
I think they can continue to up the stakes without pushing us to that point of strength
gentle mulch
forgot this gem of a line from angela
vagrant dove
I mean, gregor fully realised might pose a threat , honestly
Depending on what the fuck Hermann did
gentle mulch
like yeah. you wouldnt do such a thang
split beacon
so far our IDs cannot even put a dent in the Library
and Kali at full power was a hell of a thing for the Library near the peak of its powers
dusty sigil
We could probably kill a librarian or two, like the generic ones I mean
stoic fjord
I feel like all 12 sinners would still kinda get steamrolled by any individual floor
split beacon
nah they wash capitano gregor
vagrant dove
I mean, gregor fully realised *might* pose a threat , honestly
Depending on wha...
But that's speculative at best until we know more about what exactly her plan was for Greg
stoic fjord
nah they wash capitano gregor
iirc Capitano Gregor and the Night Awls took down like, 3 librarians?
gentle mulch
our walp IDs are general reception we are NOT doing shit to the library
we not even main story material yet in lor
stoic fjord
so I'm willing to bet that we could maybe like
take down the helper librarians of a floor before getting properly washed by the Patron
vagrant dove
Yeah at most we take down the assistants before getting absolutely rinsed rn
The Library was a menace
stoic fjord
we fight the floor of language and manage to get 1 helper to half health before the infinite speed Spears fucking get us
stoic fjord
However, we do have solemn lament Gregor
we are not lowering the rent better than yesod in any universe
ebon forge
teacher just told me if i wanted to i could write an analysis of demian + little red ridign hood
dusty sigil
we are *not* lowering the rent better than yesod in any universe
Yesod solemn laments us for daring to try
gentle mulch
we fight the floor of history and get taught what a real fourth match flame looks like
vagrant dove
Visit the Floor of Literature and get 99 bleed stacks
gentle mulch
middle ids struggling to even maintain a bleed stack and then we hop in the library to being like
leech swarmed
vagrant dove
"You clash you explode"
gentle mulch
vagrant dove
Please hod I need this
gentle mulch
i see you trying not to clash man thats disrespectful as fuck man
vagrant dove
My sinners kinda healthless
gentle mulch
you hate your reception man thats disrespectful as FUCK
ebon forge
bruh its gonna be FUCKED talking about how Sinclair = Little Red Riding Hood or some shit
my life is fucked up ngl
keen palm
Listen this is mainly because my contrarinism is activating but I will say
Kali couldnt get ego in modern day
main scaffoldBOT
wat
Carmen & Hong Lu ↩️
keen palm
Since Carmen was able to essentially brainwash her normally, Kali would have distorted
stoic fjord
I think you might be right in that assessment
dusty sigil
She’d hear Carmen’s voice for a second again and salute before becoming a giant mass of red bloody flesh
vagrant dove
The Seed of Light Project Knows Best
split beacon
Bari is definitely magic
stoic fjord
my bet is that it's deadass just magic
split beacon
also voy you right Kali was playing the Distortion/EGO minigame on easy mode
that shit ain't fair
stoic fjord
like, not even star related, nothing to do with like. Light, ofc
just flat-out magic
keen palm
We do know gods exist
So Bari could be a human who became a god
Which i will say
Does make Papa Don even cooler retroactively
split beacon
The question, I guess, is what desire or need Bari fulfills as a God of the City
keen palm
@cloud wadi Bari mythos time
split beacon
no yeah I'm aware of the cliff's notes
but what's interesting I guess is like
what would an intermediary between gods and citygoer mean in the sense that gods of the city exist in
cloud wadi
No idea
Usually in terms of Korean shamanism
It entails appeasing the gods
So that they stop trying to fuck with the world
split beacon
one who understands and interprets the desires of the Citygoers and appeases them by reconciling them with humanity I guess
which, hmm
I guess that's why we would desire to find our sins no
if sins are fundamental desires, desires are where gods come from, and gods must be appeased and their differences reconciled with humanity at large
"finding our sins" could be reconciliation with the gods
split beacon
not completely I don't think, but she has Sinless skills
keen palm
Also we don't know the extent of the relationship between the Gods and the Head
stoic fjord
hrm
Pride, Sloth, Envy, Wrath, Gloom defense, sinless
if it means anything, envy and wrath are Arwe skills
like
they're almost variations of each other
name similarities here too
stoic fjord
oh wait yeah my bad
OHHHH WAIT YEAH WE NEVER ACTUALLY SEE ANYTHING FROM THE ACTUAL DUEL
dusty sigil
Yah, we only have the play where Sancho takes the place of Don Quixote
Their actual duel is purely a cutscene
keen palm
I wonder if Gregor is meant to be a new god
stoic fjord
I honestly don't even know that we know enough about gods to start guessing
dusty sigil
I wonder if Gregor is meant to be a new god
My current theory was always he’s an attempt at like, primordial man
So I don’t think so
I think N Corp is to humanity pilled to want to make a god
keen palm
Yeah unfortunately
I think as soon as we get some idea of how Demien views gods
We will know for sure
Because I think Demien is officially an emissary of the outskirts
dusty sigil
Yah
His group seems to represent like, the anti city
If the city is both wall and cage, keeping humanity safe and keeping the world safe from humanity, Demian seems to believe in destroying that cage
split beacon
regarding Not Bari's skills
I think it's interesting that her sword attacks are called Trace, which in middle english could be a reference to her footwork
lean fjord
It's interesting to me that between the Bari play and Moses, Black damage is somewhat consistently associated with Envy
split beacon
@cloud wadi can you crossref the Korean on this
keen palm
Bari being an intermediary of the gods
And being represented by Sinclair
Who has the mark
Something somwthing pinboard
uneven canopy
ooooOOOOOOOOO
dusty sigil
Something somwthing pinboard
I should make a PM lore conspiracy board
There’s enough there to warrant one
split beacon
I've made not quite conspiracy boards but outlined lore conspiracy stuff before
it's interesting that Bari as the Knight of the White Moon uses a Faint Trace, a Pallid Trace that does unbelievable amounts of bonus damage, a Red Arwe that also deals crushing bonus damage and a Blak Arwe that has the Mental Fracture SP damage status on it
i.e. not using a White Trace or White Arwe because to do so would shake Don Quixote from his madness
uneven canopy
main scaffoldBOT
...is the prescript asking us to read yuri?
cloud wadi
I think it's interesting that her sword attacks are called Trace, which in middl...
Lemme check
Oh that’s interesting
It’s 궤적 in Korean
Which means roughly “trajectory”
Or trail
Or trace I guess
It seems to literally reference the trajectory of her sword swings
dusty sigil
Many people do this everyday anyway
keen palm
Btw
I like how out of everyone
I'm the only one so far that has gotten a prescript to just kill a guy
main scaffoldBOT
Can you just keep your eyes closed the entire time?
Lunatic Blue ↩️
keen palm
Holding your eyes shut can be seen as an extended blink
And you could be interpreted as blinking the whole time
split beacon
3 cups of water really isn't that much
I'll just knock it back nice and quick from a large flask
ebon forge
Holding your eyes shut can be seen as an extended blink
It’s about the faith
So if you believe not opening the whole time isn’t the same
Then it’s not the same
keen palm
Yup and because I introduced that doubt it will be a test of the prescripts
keen palm
Doesn't matter what you think though
Matters what Lunatic thinks
Your faith is as meaningless to them as mine is
ebon forge
im joking
keen palm
So am I
uneven canopy
they are
main scaffoldBOT
We assume it means foods that are around you
keen palm
Yeah
quaint cliff
Am I being made an accomplice to something
keen palm
Yes
quaint cliff
My target watching it all unfold
stoic fjord
he laces his shit with growth hormones
nah I think he's 100% natty
quaint cliff
hmmmm. If your chicken actually contained trace amounts if HP serum from K-corp’s infinite drumstick machine, would you slowly be affected by it as you ate the chicken?
stoic fjord
it wouldn't make you buff, I think it'd just make you slightly heal
quaint cliff
Also since the tears restore you according to your self image, could you use it to transition?
Transchicken
stoic fjord
from what I understand, this is somewhat of a misconception
and it seems to be a bit more deep rooted than just self-image
but maybe
it's also much funnier and thus I will say yes
split beacon
Serum K's workings are unclear, it has to be "tuned" for use before deployment but they're subject-agnostic but also they don't interrupt the working of prosthetics and body-mods
keen palm
Noticeably dante keeps their head
stoic fjord
though also it's not like they actually have any idea of themselves pre-clock
atomic steeple
https://giphy.com/gifs/trailer-boys-park-YrkD2MwU8J382Krrxt
This clip keeps reminding me of a dumb movie with an old man who loved drinking, and a monster that took over trash
And at the end the old man's special drink is ultra poisonous to the monster
true bluff
why is none of them sans text
dusty sigil
dusty sigil
Chat, I remember during the Matthias fight I was terrified
Because I saw the bloodfeast tracker in the top left
And I wasn’t using any bloodfiend ids
So I thought Don would take off her shoes like she suggested to do in part 1
Little did I know it was just the support Don ID I had had yearning mircala equipped
bronze zephyr
LMAO
dusty sigil
I was really betting on it too
crimson spindle
finally one of these with legitimately no good option
keen palm
This is a good one
dusty sigil
Legitimately, the best option may be 5?
keen palm
2 I can talk leftist theory
dusty sigil
Gregor may just be to depressed to say anything
And Hermann may be too happy with her son being depressed to say anything
keen palm
2 is the only one I think that is safe from potential physical harm
dusty sigil
That’s true yah
So long as you aren’t rich anyway
If you are, best stay away from Rodion
stoic fjord
9 is like.
I feel like he could probably fuck Kromer up but also goddd I don't wanna sit in a seat next to Callisto, especially if it's soaked in fucking blood
vagrant dove
I like angela
I feel like she's the sort of person to chill and read a book if you don't bother her
dusty sigil
And phillip's not too bad
I mean the problem is that Philip will probably try and kill Angela
stoic fjord
he's my pathetic little meow meow but also
he is my pathetic little meow meow
dusty sigil
And you’re inbetween them
vagrant dove
Oh true
stoic fjord
I actually don't know that Heathclifff would outright try to kill Nelly?
dusty sigil
I mean he did spare her
He doesn’t know she’s working for N Corp though
And now she’s in uniform
vagrant dove
7 and 6 I'm getting nuked
dusty sigil
Oh yah those are non starters
Staying away from colors in general is a good idea tbh
Even if they’re friendly
Things don’t tend to go well for their friends
vagrant dove
Me lowkey watching vergilius and iori charge up their most powerful attacks while I'm stuck in the middle
I'm so cooked
2's fairly fine
9 is uh
I don't want to be near Kromer or Callisto
I like Callisto even, but he's also a ring maestro
And will repurpose me into art
dusty sigil
Actually Chatroom, I may have to go with 5 just because Gregor may be actually inclined to help save me when this plane is inevitably destroyed mid flight
keen palm
If 2 breaks out into violence I'm fine with being beaten by Rodion
dusty sigil
That’s so real dude
vagrant dove
4's cooked
If I try 10 and get too chatty with Albina she might turn me into bits for fascia
dusty sigil
You think if you choose 5 Hermann would ask you to swap seats so she can sit next to her son?
stoic fjord
You think if you choose 5 Hermann would ask you to swap seats so she can sit nex...
if I get an aisle seat I can throw myself out of the plane when the colors start duking it out
split beacon
The problem with 2 is that it’s gonna be yap central for 10 hours interspersed with the threats to life and limb
Tbh
vagrant dove
Better than being atomised
split beacon
Verg and Iori seem the type to save their fight for after the plane
vagrant dove
Also that's a ring maestro like
stoic fjord
because I trust that I will survive the fall from a plane more than I trust my odds with 3 colors, a capo, and a big brother in the same plane
vagrant dove
On the same plane as verg
stoic fjord
Verg and Iori seem the type to save their fight for after the plane
okay true yeah
dusty sigil
I mean I don’t think Rodion and Sonya are at the threat stage tbh
stoic fjord
I imagine they would be civilized
dusty sigil
They’re weirdly chill about each other in canto 2
stoic fjord
true
vagrant dove
I imagine they would be civilized
It's just incredibly frosty
dusty sigil
They still treat each other like old comrades and friends
stoic fjord
I just think Rodion would like. leech vibe arsenic into the atmosphere
vagrant dove
Subzero temps over there
stoic fjord
same for Iori and Verg
split beacon
Iori would give Vergilius a smug look and imply she could fight here and now
vagrant dove
I need Iori and Dias to interact
split beacon
And Verg would go “afterwards, there’s civilians here”
vagrant dove
Mysterious Woman Conversations
split beacon
Brother is a Smugularity accelerationist
vagrant dove
I think 8 is perhaps the worst spot
Lei heng
Ricardo
Roland
Tanya
Callistp
All around you
split beacon
The Lei Heng and Ricardo row is cursed as fuck but I could see them quietly sitting through their flight right up until Lei Heng decides he’s bored
vagrant dove
Time to annoy this big brother because I'm bored
dusty sigil
And Verg would go “afterwards, there’s civilians here”
Yah, it’s really Philip, Kromer and Tanya who are starting a fight up there
crimson spindle
see the core problem is at some point I guarantee ricardo is going to get up to pee
stoic fjord
The Lei Heng and Ricardo row is cursed as fuck but I could see them quietly sitt...
simply do not bump Ricardo's leg and just immediately agree if either want to switch seats for the window
crimson spindle
and lei heng is gonna be a dick about it
vagrant dove
Yeah
dusty sigil
and lei heng is gonna be a dick about it
Shit yah lei Heng can legally be a dick to Ricardo
That’s gonna end in casualties
vagrant dove
simply do not bump Ricardo's leg and just immediately agree if either want to sw...
My ass can't make eye contact, so I'm fine with Lei Heng but uh
split beacon
I suspect Lei Heng would fly first class in general
vagrant dove
1.34: Refusing to look a Big Brother of the Middle in the eyes when they're talking to you
stoic fjord
I suspect Lei Heng would fly first class in general
true but we're assuming we're all in the same area in this scenario
vagrant dove
Punishment: complete and total extermination or something
crimson spindle
2 is definitely the safest option from a life and limb scenario
split beacon
You know that motherfucker is spending his Thumb Bux on nice tickets
Getting yelled at by the Sottocapo
vagrant dove
Punishment: complete and total extermination or something
Like I'm so getting hit with this
My (autistic) ass is grass
So yeah, 2
I get to listen to Rodya accuse Sonya of being firmly lodged in an armchair
Peak honestly
1 could also work because like
I don't think Nelly has a reason to kill me
And it'll probably just be really awkward
Rather than life threatening
It'd be worse if it was ish and ahab
main scaffoldBOT
...1 we guess? We feel like every seat on this plane is going to erupt into a brawl but I think those two are the least likely to accidentally kill us in the crossfire
KZA's 0 Frame Command Grab ↩️
stoic fjord
I think 3, 4, 7, 8, and 9 will break into fights
9 will be over first
8 is going to be what brings down the entire fucking plane
4 is not going to be pleasant
hrm
wait
main scaffoldBOT
Hmm... maybe you could survive seat 9 if you just let Callisto and Albina murder Kromer first
stoic fjord
is this Erlking or Wildhunt
keen palm
Would Ricardo step to Lei Heng
split beacon
1 is actually OK because Nelly doesn't have a reason to shank you or Heathcliff really
so like
stoic fjord
Hmm... maybe you could survive seat 9 if you just let Callisto and Albina murder...
they turn you into a statue next
keen palm
Genuine consideration
main scaffoldBOT
Hopefully they'll be too distracted turning her into art to care about me
split beacon
just be a fixer (lmao) and help Heathcliff beat Nelly to death
or more realistically
sit back and let her instantly knock Heath out
vagrant dove
I'm a level 1 rat
stoic fjord
is this Erlking or Wildhunt
because if it's erlking, he's going to fucking lock sights onto Nelly
split beacon
then you can just chill for 10 hours while Heathcliff is asleep
stoic fjord
if it's wildhunt, he doesn't know this woman
dusty sigil
Would Ricardo step to Lei Heng
Like, would he win or would he fight him?
vagrant dove
Also again I feel like putting Verg onnthe same plane as a ring maestro is asking for more troubpe
main scaffoldBOT
Also gods, how much boss music is going to be playing throughout the entire flight?
stoic fjord
wait isn't Tanya ex-middle
split beacon
Ricardo would lose a fight with Lei Heng but he'd absolutely take it
vagrant dove
wait isn't Tanya ex-middle
Yeah
dusty sigil
Because while obvious Ricardo loses his head fighting Lei Heng, I 100 percent believe he would fight him
stoic fjord
ohhhh my fucking god please do not notify ricardo of this
main scaffoldBOT
Yeah but they might just think she's dead
Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️
dusty sigil
Ricardo only backed down to a color so far
stoic fjord
Because while obvious Ricardo loses his head fighting Lei Heng, I 100 percent be...
and at that point the plane is going down
vagrant dove
Tanya might just spill the beans herself
keen palm
Lei Heng is just shy of a color
vagrant dove
She seems like the type
split beacon
the right side of the plane is a mosh pit there's no good options over there
crimson spindle
she's not technically ex-middle, she's "presumed dead middle"
split beacon
left side is like
dusty sigil
Even during the night in the back streets he still was determined to kick our asses
main scaffoldBOT
He still put him in the book though
MagmaNaught (any)(ping me) ↩️
vagrant dove
To sort of throw it down as a gauntlet
crimson spindle
i don't think she ever actually like, resigned
dusty sigil
While in the middle of the swarm
stoic fjord
she's not technically ex-middle, she's "presumed dead middle"
ahhhhh ok
split beacon
"which flavor of interpersonal hellworld do you want to become part of"
dusty sigil
He still put him in the book though
Yah, but like, the vengeance would come later
dusty sigil
Probably with a great brother or sister on his side
crimson spindle
ricardo probably wouldn't recognize her because presumably before the incident she was not a dog woman
main scaffoldBOT
Actually, seat three might be pretty survivable
vagrant dove
2's just eminently survivable for me
split beacon
it depends where in the timeline we are
vagrant dove
Since I'm not too rich
main scaffoldBOT
Depending on how Philip is doing anyway
vagrant dove
I don't think Angela has real beef with anyone beyond Ayin
stoic fjord
I think 2 and 6 are fine in terms of safety, just immensely terrible vibes
main scaffoldBOT
Yeah, but sitting there would be pretty awkward
NACL | Scifi Sicko 2 ↩️
split beacon
6 is fine until someone makes a wrong move
dusty sigil
With 3 the problem is Philip, someone who wants Angela dead and also is clearly ok with people dying to serve that end lol
split beacon
but also Vergilius is probably in the mosh pit
main scaffoldBOT
He might just spend the fight trying to convince you to fight her though
MagmaNaught (any)(ping me) ↩️
dusty sigil
Shit that’s true
vagrant dove
What does he want me to do honestly
Level 1 rat
ebon forge
finally one of these with legitimately no good option
I WANT to pick 3 or 9
split beacon
with Callisto, Kromer, Albina, Tanya, Ricardo, Lei Heng (even if no one dissed him he'd see a fight brewing and go FUCK YEAH LET'S PARTY), Ren I feel would try to sit it out and end up getting sucked in, and personally I have Roland pegged for deciding to sit on his ass and eat his Hamhampangpang
crimson spindle
my actual answer is 6. because vergillus can pop blood shield on me and prevent my horrific death when one of these other bozos punches a hole in the plane
ebon forge
Angela is a pretty respectable person iirc
dusty sigil
with Callisto, Kromer, Albina, Tanya, Ricardo, Lei Heng (even if no one dissed h...
Roland uses the gloves exclusively to sneak food on the plane
split beacon
this whole shitstorm is happening and Roland is like "I'm eating here, can you give me like 2 minutes"
stoic fjord
with Callisto, Kromer, Albina, Tanya, Ricardo, Lei Heng (even if no one dissed h...
I was about to say "until Tanya recognizes him" and then I realized
ebon forge
And Callisto would be really fun to blab to but Ricardo is right behind me
stoic fjord
no, she couldn't
main scaffoldBOT
Honestly, if Albina wasn't likely to try to feed us to Fascia I would be fine sitting next to her
vagrant dove
Yeah, she's just suffering from the aftereffects of Ayin's Torment Nexus (fun for the whole friendgroup
The problem is mainly phillip trying to kill her as someone else pointed out
He may not be that strong in city terms, but I'm not built for this
crimson spindle
vergy is the only one I'd trust to actually save my ass when lei heng tigerblades the floor
ebon forge
I feel like you could convince Callisto to sit next to Albina
main scaffoldBOT
And that's why I'm the one picking the seat
split beacon
this is what it's like trying to pick a seat at the Finger Bow-Bell btw
vagrant dove
LMAO
dusty sigil
vergy is the only one I'd trust to actually save my ass when lei heng tigerblade...
Gregor would surely try but like, we know his save the people he cares about rate it isn’t good
split beacon
next intervallo babyyyyy
crimson spindle
someone's gonna pop this tin can
stoic fjord
this is what it's like trying to pick a seat at the Finger Bow-Bell btw
I imagine it's gonna be way worse in that actual scenario
ebon forge
Ok seriously though 2 is the objective best choice
stoic fjord
Gregor would surely try but like, we know his save the people he cares about rat...
"isn't good"
dude it's like fucking 0 for 1
split beacon
if ur in the Thumb your seat is picked for you
ebon forge
Two communists who aren’t insane enough to kill people out of nowhere
dusty sigil
"isn't good"
dude it's like fucking 0 for 1
Counting all the comrades he lost in the war it’s like 0 to 100000
ebon forge
Heathcliff is also pretty reasonable
crimson spindle
hang on, I have an answer to picking
ebon forge
Literally just hope nobody else explodes you
main scaffoldBOT
...say, where's Charon?
stoic fjord
...say, where's Charon?
piloting the plane
dusty sigil
...say, where's Charon?
She drove
main scaffoldBOT
Who do you think is flying the plane
ebon forge
We’re dead.
main scaffoldBOT
"Swoosh swoosh"- Charon, probably
vagrant dove
this is what it's like trying to pick a seat at the Finger Bow-Bell btw
Me at the bow bell looking for my seat when I accidentally step on (and trip over) a middle member's shoe, knock over a ring mastro's easel while falling, disobeying my prescript to stand upright from noon to 2 am today in the process, before looking up and accidentally meeting the sottocapo's eyes (i'm so finished)
keen palm
Also I dont think being between kromer and callisto is actually dangerous
crimson spindle
main scaffoldBOT
At that point they start a fight to see who gets to kill you first
NACL | Scifi Sicko 2 ↩️
split beacon
finger bow bell seating arrangements:
The Thumb have a seating plan laid out according to rank progression
the Index have no rules and sit wherever they feel like
the Middle are all sitting in one disorganized lump with the Great Sister in the center blasting her favorite tunes
the Ring are sitting in the corners trying to o b s e r v e and take inspiration from the scenery
the Pinky are randomly interspersed and half of them came as members of another Finger
crimson spindle
rings
ebon forge
Also I dont think being between kromer and callisto is actually dangerous
It is, because Ricardo is there
crimson spindle
so we're sitting by callisto or albina I guess
keen palm
Dont kick his seat
stoic fjord
Also I dont think being between kromer and callisto is actually dangerous
I think Callisto fucking mulches Kromer, and then you have to hope he doesn't finish his art until he's done with Kromer's body
ebon forge
And the Middle and the Thumb are likely going to death sentence you if you dare accidentally recline your seat
stoic fjord
and then you're okay
main scaffoldBOT
Do you think Ren would try to protect you from Albina?
keen palm
I could talk art with callisto for hours
main scaffoldBOT
Actually wait
ebon forge
I think Callisto fucking mulches Kromer, and then you have to hope he doesn't fi...
Actually you can just talk art
split beacon
Ren would do fucking nothing
stoic fjord
Actually you can just talk art
dude I cannot talk about corpses for 10 hours
I'mc ooked
main scaffoldBOT
Fascia is probably in the luggage hold isn't it (she?)
dusty sigil
Ren would do fucking nothing
Ren is perfectly silent and still the entire flight
keen palm
Callisto is famously the guy you can distract from killing you
main scaffoldBOT
So she probably won't feed me to her during the flight
split beacon
bro is sitting in his corner of this plane trying to pretend it's not happening
ebon forge
dude I cannot talk about corpses for 10 hours
Just ask him to teach you anatomy
vagrant dove
Ren's meditating the whole time
stoic fjord
Fascia is probably in the luggage hold isn't it (she?)
I think Albina would kill the entire TSA before she allowed herself to be separated from Fascia
stoic fjord
Just ask him to teach you anatomy
oh yeah true
split beacon
Fascia is a carry-on
ebon forge
Dude is going to be so happy when you ask him questions and identify his artstyle
split beacon
she's in the overhead compartment
main scaffoldBOT
Dang
Lunatic Blue ↩️
ebon forge
And also
stoic fjord
still doesn't help with the "Lei Heng and Ricardo are in front of you" problem
but
yeah I see your point
ebon forge
I want to sit next to Roland somehow
vagrant dove
He's such an asshole he's bound to set ricardo off
split beacon
7 isn't the worst seat but Lei Heng is kicking the shit out of your back
keen palm
6 is fine actually because I dont think iori or vergilus would kill you
split beacon
1, 2, and 5 are probably the safest seats on the plane assuming that the rowdy Finger boys aren't about to punch a hole in this bitch and set it spiralling into the ground
split beacon
but they're abstract kinds of social hellscape
stoic fjord
Dude is going to be so happy when you ask him questions and identify his artstyl...
I feel like if you talked art with Callisto you're somewhat likely to have some level of protection from the guy when shit hits the fan
keen palm
They are gonna do dmc shit but youre fine
split beacon
6 I feel like the worst thing that can happen is ending up a pawn in Iori's attempt to style on Vergilius rhetorically by her asking you a bunch of mysterious bullshit questions
stoic fjord
I feel like if you talked art with Callisto you're somewhat likely to have some ...
like I feel like he would want to make sure he could continue the conversation at least a little longer
vagrant dove
They're probably like
Glaring at each other over my head (while I try not to make a move the whole flight, in case the two colourd next to me start fighting)
ebon forge
He 100% would
split beacon
thing is you'll probably still die just the same if you engage Callisto in conversation as a non-Ring member
stoic fjord
true
vagrant dove
Yeah
split beacon
that's how it bada bee in this bitch of a world
ebon forge
sadly
Imagine I pull out my laptop and drawing pen and go, “Callisto this is a drawing app, wanna try it?”
stoic fjord
Hohenheim only managed because he knew his shit
keen palm
You only have to survive the plane
vagrant dove
But not before she gets me killed
stoic fjord
Also Kromer's there and she does not care about collateral
Kromer is like level 40 Callisto will probably shred her like paper
split beacon
Kromer is so funny because she's just there to spark this stick of dynamite
dusty sigil
Kromer is so funny because she's just there to spark this stick of dynamite
She can’t touch Callisto but her trying to kill him is absolutely is the spark this plane needs to explode
vagrant dove
I think the safest option is not to board
split beacon
yeah because then Albina or Callisto are gonna say something unwise, Vergilius is gonna go "WHAT" and then it's going down
vagrant dove
Hold on
stoic fjord
I feel like Erlking and Hindley could also serve a similar spark
split beacon
Erlking doesn't care about this
split beacon
Why is she taking the plane
it's part of the plan you wouldn't understand
dusty sigil
yeah because then Albina or Callisto are gonna say something unwise, Vergilius i...
Lei Heng doesn’t even break a rule in the book, they just decide to join because it’d be funny
stoic fjord
Erlking doesn't *care* about this
okay yeah true
split beacon
no yeah Lei Heng is joining a brawl because he saw people fighting and went FUCK YES
vagrant dove
Especially since the people over there are like
good
Fighters
Lei Heng vs Tanya
split beacon
also it's a great excuse for him to blow that smug fuck Callisto's head off
vagrant dove
He'd probably lose that one ngl, but it'd be fun to watch
split beacon
and then go "oops I totally did not intend to kill Callisto"
idk unnerfed Lei Heng is a beast
dusty sigil
Tanya may be the 3rd strongest person on that plane tbh
ebon forge
Step 1: talk to Kromer about how prosthetics take away the beauty of human flesh
Step 2: Callisto gets interested
Step 3: Profit
dusty sigil
It’s like, Roland, Iori, her
main scaffoldBOT
It's unpleasant to do iwrc
NACL | Scifi Sicko 2 ↩️
vagrant dove
Roland, Iori and Verg, Tanya
vagrant dove
It's unpleasant to do iwrc
Ah, right
keen palm
I dont think we have a proper scale of Tanya
split beacon
Iori's somehow gonna make it to the other gate unscathed, calmly reading airplane magazines
stoic fjord
I dont think we have a proper scale of Tanya
vs. the library (guaranteed loss) is the only thing we've seen, I think
split beacon
Vergilius smells Callisto from the other side of the plane and goes NOW YOU FUCKED UP
dusty sigil
I dont think we have a proper scale of Tanya
Why not?
She’s a great sister who distorted and was able to fight Gebura
She lost
But that alone is impressive
stoic fjord
I thought the library was just guaranteed loss and the fights are false memories?
split beacon
Tanya I think would basically sit there looking down her nose at everyone until someone claimed to be the strongest
dusty sigil
Nah, not for them
split beacon
and then would go
dusty sigil
They broke down the door
dusty sigil
Also the simulations in the library are accurate anyway
vagrant dove
I think Lei Heng would lose to Tanya yeah
She is one of the big guns in the Ensemble
stoic fjord
Tanya I think would basically sit there looking down her nose at everyone until ...
Lei Heng and Ricardo are going to be the cause of this I feel
keen palm
He doesnt hold back
Headcanon that Lei Heng only tied with Jia Qiu because we wasted all his bullets first
stoic fjord
I'll believe it tbh
Jia Qiu is my GOAT but I also don't think he's actually that cracked at combat, even if he's high level
or at least, not like this, with his E.G.O sealed away and whatever
vagrant dove
He doesnt hold back
Neither does she, to be fair. Like Lei Heng's strong, but I don't think he's "beating the heavy hitter of the Ensemble" strong
I do think he'd have done better against JQ if the Sinners hadn't exhausted him though
stoic fjord
I'll believe it tbh
Jia Qiu is my GOAT but I also don't think he's actually *th...
he's my GOAT for reasons outside of combat prowess
dusty sigil
I'll believe it tbh
Jia Qiu is my GOAT but I also don't think he's actually *th...
I think Jia qiu is strong but like, the way people describe him is insane
He’s almost certainly not like, stronger then every color we see
stoic fjord
I think there's a reason he went for the offer with Lei Heng
like. I believe in bro. but I also think there's a reason he was not hitting the 5 mang super stick blast mid-combat
keen palm
Oh Jia Qiu is probably the strongest character we've met so far
If he's in fact the Jade Qirin
stoic fjord
the other contenders I think are just too hard to place with regards to this
Demian we haven't seen do any actual combat since Kromer
keen palm
Demien I think is just too "I do magic" to powerscale
stoic fjord
Bari we don't have any clue on what she can actually do, especially since we don't actually have like, a proper frame of reference for what Papa Don can do
vagrant dove
Yeah Demian's on some crazy shit
dusty sigil
I think ||roach emperor Gregor|| is the strongest tbh
stoic fjord
and I don't think their duel was a proper fight
dusty sigil
He is a wing’s super weapon
keen palm
Jia Qiu is as strong as Papa Don and Vergilus at least
vagrant dove
I will say that PD is probably uh
dusty sigil
Jia Qiu is as strong as Papa Don and Vergilus at least
Yah
stoic fjord
I think ||roach emperor Gregor|| is the strongest tbh
once fully realized, I think I would agree
the fucking spirit bomb of blood was an S1
keen palm
Nah, it was an Ascendent Art
stoic fjord
or
keen palm
It was an actual effort attack
stoic fjord
wait hold on I might be looking at the wrong skill
vagrant dove
So him going all out (unstarved) is probably extremely powerful
keen palm
It was enough to win a war
vagrant dove
We just fight him at the genuine worst time in his lifr
stoic fjord
so our top 4 is like
Jia Qiu, Demian, Bari, and Papa Don, then?
not in order here
cosmic gorge
We just fight him at the genuine worst time in his lifr
The Dark Souls grindset
keen palm
Jia, Vergilus, Bari, Demien, and Papa Don
vagrant dove
Technically we've also met Garion, just in a flashback
stoic fjord
and I think this still excludes prime Red Mist/post-library Gebura for serious discussion to be had without just "yeah there's a defined spot there"
keen palm
Technically I think the most powerful character we've met so far was the White Whale
but y'know
stoic fjord
true
main scaffoldBOT
Eh, The Indigo Elder solos tbh
Voy the Nelson Boy ↩️
stoic fjord
I would put LC at like, probably close to a Corp
main scaffoldBOT
-# /j
vagrant dove
Also I wonder if the non-standard colours would have like a mix of sins
I.e The Vermillion Cross being lust/wrath
stoic fjord
not actually quite there yet
vagrant dove
Also I wonder if the non-standard colours would have like a mix of sins
I.e The...
If they had limbus kits
stoic fjord
Also I wonder if the non-standard colours would have like a mix of sins
I.e The...
if Jia Qiu is the Jade Qilin, we already have one
vagrant dove
I don't think the Jade Qilin is a colour fixer
main scaffoldBOT
They were certainly confident enough to think they could
Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️
stoic fjord
They were certainly confident enough to *think* they could
listen if Dias was funding us I would be too
vagrant dove
Also I wonder if the non-standard colours would have like a mix of sins
I.e The...
I wonder who got the black colour after Roland/Angelica
Or if that's vacant still
There seem to have been a lot of vacancies recently lmao
Blue, Vermillion and Yellow at least
Since both Argalia and the VC died
And we know Vespa recently got the yellow colour
dusty sigil
Goodnight
stoic fjord
gn
keen palm
I don't think the Jade Qilin is a colour fixer
They are, explicitly so
We only know about them in a conversation of the strongest fixers
stoic fjord
actually
it was a conversation on strongest fixers, in general
Siegfried was not disqualified for not having the color title
Siegfried was disqualified because Kiramael thinks he's a fucking fraud
keen palm
Talking about Roland's view
stoic fjord
ohhhhhhh mb
I forgot
wait, he mentions the Jade Qilin?
either I forgot something or I'm not quite there yet in LoR
I'm guessing the former
quaint cliff
speaking of, the real Kira couldn’t possibly be Ishmael’s age, right…?
Y’know what, no, on second thought it is entirely plausible that a thirty year old woman could end up like that if raised (in)correctly, considering how Don acts.
quaint cliff
Hearing Ishmael call Outis mama is… an experience though 
quaint cliff
I think it's Leviathan
It was a now-deleted Tweet, actually
keen palm
However, there are occasional tavern brawls over this. If you start including other Syndicates or Wing members the list would be endless.```who the fuck is the Fixer of the Lake
keen palm
Indigo Elder
cosmic gorge
Who is Un Gum?
stoic fjord
Indigo Elder
ohhhhhhhhhh
split beacon
Sieg is likely Siegfried
stoic fjord
okay yeah that makes sense
keen palm
There's a lot of people we haven't seen yet
split beacon
Athos is a Three Musketeers reference
cosmic gorge
Who is Un Gum, Gan Ryu, and Rinaldo
quaint cliff
Ricardo implies that the Elder’s Color status is a recent thing, so he may have simply been called the Fixer of the Lake before that.
split beacon
Rinaldo is a Charles's Office Fixer
stoic fjord
Ricardo implies that the Elder’s Color status is a recent thing, so he may have ...
bro got a sick title before he was ever a color
keen palm
Vergilus explicitly says Indigo just got the Color
quaint cliff
I don’t listen to Verg- good to know, thanks for confirming 
split beacon
and Hagen takes his name from the Nibelungenlied
keen palm
But also keep in mind that last bit
split beacon
or, well, is a German heroic legend character who features in the Nibelungenlied
keen palm
"if you add in Wings and Syndicates, it's basically pointless"
and Kali even goes "I think my reputation's overblown"
split beacon
Color Fixers when the Wing's Decisive Weapon walks in:
stoic fjord
"if you add in Wings and Syndicates, it's basically pointless"
well he says the list would be endless
I think mainly because like
Wing's Decisive Weapons
are probably not common knowledge
cosmic gorge
WMD?
No, WDW
keen palm
I think Decisive Weapons aren't factors because they aren't people
cosmic gorge
ok CASTLE
eternal berry
Who is Un Gum?
the word used is 운검, which seems to be a reference to a kind of sword important officials used in the Joseon Dynasty. There's more historical context/nuance there I'm sure the KR knowers could translate much better than I can
cosmic gorge
I will wait our knowers in the chat
crimson spindle
main scaffoldBOT
How is Kira Ishmael? We assume she's only really good on an envy resonance team but 🤷♀️
ebon forge
shes good on envy res lol
main scaffoldBOT
We imagine envy res is best outside of mirror dungeons, right?
In mirror dungeons the middle seem like they'd take up too much space you'd want to have filled with charge IDs to be practical
gentle mulch
consensus is that she's okay
she's another middle id so you can just 6 A-Res skill 3s all day
the team is still missing some support since outis has a really good envy res zayin
but no ID that's fitting for the team
which is why im looking forward to nursefather IDs
envy res is one of the slower teams for MD
tired canyon
gentle mulch
though tbf envy res has been like. a suboptimal gimmick team since its inception. which isnt bad, but it's not like we can talk meta to meta with envy res
main scaffoldBOT
Fair
gentle mulch
and BHK, when we get to see you 😌 we'll add you to the family picture
main scaffoldBOT
Wonder if we should build it anyway, we've got all of the other Middle IDs (somehow) and spamming S3s is always fun
...why do the middle have so many faction specific EGO gifts?
gentle mulch
i would build up kirshmael and middle sinclair and see how the future IDs work out
tired canyon
and BHK, when we get to see you 😌 we'll add you to the family picture
dias's ideal employee:souless hag
moses's ideal employee:maximun dweebazoid
gentle mulch
she has good taste ill give her that
tired canyon
wjich
main scaffoldBOT
Oh gods, Kira is gonna end up working for her isn't she
Boxing Malewife 🥊 🧹 ↩️
Does Vespa count as a maximum dweebazoid?
Definitely
gentle mulch
...why do the middle have so many faction specific EGO gifts?
im not exactly sure but the middle faction so far is one of those teams that can be popular, can be given gifts, and not break the game
there's something to be said in that if a team is bad but loved, it's hard to break the scales of balance/meta by giving them lifters/buffs
alsoooo
theyre a recurring fight
while the thumb we've only faced in canto 8
and the ring is like
canto six and then there's Two Members in 9
and uhhh KJH doesnt really like the ring because of goated Yi Sang IDs*
*though thankfully we're in a powercrept scale now, so ring yi sang just isnt a big deal anymore so maybe he'll ease up
pinky we still barely know about
and the index we're seeing support for right now--but hasnt come up yet in terms of chances for recurring ego gift drops
main scaffoldBOT
📝👀
gentle mulch
and in my personal opinion, KJH just likes the middle way more
the characters (PJM) seem to be like. half gap moe, and the middle is kinda that
tired canyon
we love our manchildren yakuza
gentle mulch
we love our manchildren yakuza
main scaffoldBOT
we love our manchildren yakuza
bronze zephyr
we love our manchildren yakuza
stray sleet
we love our manchildren yakuza
main scaffoldBOT
On an unrelated note, how is Wei Don?
We assume she'd be a bit meh given the low count application, but she seems to be able to get a lot of damage buffs for herself
(Also how do panic type changing effects stack?)
gentle mulch
People "In the Meta" commonly tout that Sinking Count is just a solved game
so status application isnt an issue to them in Sinking
plus, we are starting to move away from status as the main markers of how "meta/good" an ID is
gentle mulch
general opinion on that (i dont have her so im deferring) is that you can use her in sinking to an enjoyable degree but she's set dressing on a dedicated rupture team (distinct from a Heishou team)
gentle mulch
Why so?
moving towards more damage conditionals than status application
bosses being resistant to status damage (or in this drop's case, more vulnerable to statuses like burn)
statuses used to fulfill clash/coin conditionals than nuking bosses
it's part of why i am starting to enjoy playing tremor with caposault
and wusang
since you dont really care about moratorium setups, i just want to hit people in the head and hear the funny sound
it seems like mao faust was a wake-up call in both senses of like wow fans really hate change etc etc.
and also if we want to be able to have IDs like Her again we have to move away from the design vulnerability of: if you tweak the status application a little too far the entire game breaks
now, Mao Faust is broken for a bunch of other reasons, but on top of that, being able to maintain and also blow up a rupture stack at the same time is one of her sore thumbs
bronze zephyr
maost not being nerfed was wild
gentle mulch
the only thing that would change is how often youre nuking shit
because it literally just tweaked her special status stack conditionals
her other completely broken features would have got to stay and:
- we would have had a full refund plus extra compensation
- rupture would have been saved
but i digress
nevermind
she would have kept this
why the fuck does she have this
bronze zephyr
i dont know ToT
gentle mulch
she is just a total monster of an ID--she's meta in tremor AND rupture
she doesnt even apply tremor
but yeah
main scaffoldBOT
(But also yeah, what about this?)
Sophia (She/Her) | The Labrynth Princess ↩️
karmic escarp
it should be whatever's been most recently applied no?
gentle mulch
yyyyyes, and then there are external effects that can be applied i think
and those stack
tiny cave
How is Kira Ishmael? We *assume* she's only really good on an envy resonance tea...
she's good, even if her s3 is weaker than your average s3 these days
she's gonna use it every turn
gentle mulch
and then if the unit cannot change panic types, they just get the external effects anyways because fuck you
tiny cave
or well, nearly every turn, doesn't work too well in unfocused encounters or if enemy gets staggered
and she can do it because her thermal blades gives her SP so she doesn't need to clash for it
gentle mulch
i had missed that actually
tiny cave
she's currently bugged and not gaining the shield from her counter when converted to S3 though
gentle mulch
thats a bug?
tiny cave
yeah
gentle mulch
oh my god she'll be even better if that gets fixed lmao
tiny cave
midclair has the exact same order of ops and gains the shield
main scaffoldBOT
Should be next patch
ICEOUT Hardware (Ping 👍) ↩️
bronze zephyr
yeah, 4 hours
dusty sigil
I’m betting our Lucio
gentle mulch
i want lucio because i want more thumb IDs
bronze zephyr
albina sinclair and lucio heathcliff perchance
dusty sigil
Rn my thoughts are that it’ll either be Lucio Heathcliff or Lucio Gregor
Either of the two
Lucio Hong Lu is also a possibility
But I’m thinking Gregor mostly
tiny cave
lucio heathcliff
dusty sigil
Due to the parallels
dusty sigil
We got Kurokumo Heath and Ish
tiny cave
that was the agenda season
main scaffoldBOT
Okay we need to finish leveling and uptie-ing this team
tiny cave
this season is anti-agenda
dusty sigil
Shit you’re right
main scaffoldBOT
And probably get wildcliff or something
tiny cave
Okay we *need* to finish leveling and uptie-ing this team
index don is probably better than wei don for sinking
and yea wildcliff
gentle mulch
if youre going for an echoes build wei might be better because those prescripts suck ass to do in unfocused
dusty sigil
But also like, idk I feel like especially after what we learned this canto
main scaffoldBOT
How so?
Gnocchian with Meatballs ↩️
dusty sigil
Making Gregor into the compliant son of an abusive mother who’s making him into a dehumanized tool for her own ends
You know
It’d fit
gentle mulch
How so?
if she goes into her ego form she kills people like really fast like scarily fast like how did you do that thats scary stay away from me
and it's decently hard to get her out of ego form
main scaffoldBOT
I imagine that non-echoes builds use udjat Outis?
ICEOUT Hardware (Ping 👍) ↩️
gentle mulch
yeah
main scaffoldBOT
So use her not because she's good at sinking but because she murders everything no matter what team you have?
ICEOUT Hardware (Ping 👍) ↩️
dusty sigil
I imagine that non-echoes builds use udjat Outis?
I mean, butler Faust is also very good and can apply echoes
She’s also very count positive
gentle mulch
So use her not because she's good at sinking but because she murders everything ...
yes she's extremely minus
-2/-1
-3/-3
-1/-3
and her counter is -3
main scaffoldBOT
Isn't 🎴 count neutral as long as you're doing it right?
ICEOUT Hardware (Ping 👍) ↩️
(Which is to say, rolling heads and only using her S1 and S3)
gentle mulch
-2/-1
-3/-3
-1/-3
she also gets a little better in being less count eater if she crits
but
we live in a post thoracalgia world
so you need some poise support to make her like
-2 instead of -3
tiny cave
How so?
she's not that count negative iirc, kills things scary fast, ramps SP fairly fast, almost impossible for her to lose ego form
gentle mulch
shes only not that negative because sinking is greedy and took all the count application IDs from rupture
tiny cave
index is -1/-2/-2 assuming she crits, and she'll usually crit in ego form especially one she has shin
wei don is -1/-2/+1, does much less damage, has worse sin spread
gentle mulch
with shin she's roughly poise count neutral iirc
main scaffoldBOT
Hmm...
We'll try Index Don out in sinking I guess
Might as well given she's already maxed out
gentle mulch
if shes already maxed out then yeah use her
tiny cave
with shin she's roughly poise count neutral iirc
accounting for end of turn decay she's
+2/-2/-1
so should be +1 per rotation
gentle mulch
cutting it a bit close but nothing thora cant fix
main scaffoldBOT
We like Index Don but she is very much a poise unit that happens to have sinking so we’d prefer to use Wei Don when we can get her maxed out for the vibes if nothing else
main scaffoldBOT
tiny cave
use whoever is cutest
can't run 7faust in sinking unfort
gentle mulch
can't run 7faust in sinking unfort
not with that attitude
main scaffoldBOT
Oh hey, we can add her to our heishou team too
She’s probably not good on that team but like. More heishou!
main scaffoldBOT
Oh yeah, I forgot that Wild Hunt Heathcliff's uptie story changes after you Clear All Cathy
And that you can watch the other one in the theater and get 40 lunacy from it
bronze zephyr
ye lol
main scaffoldBOT
Also I like how Wildcliff has like 3 different maniacal laughs for when you click on him
vagrant dove
They are, explicitly so
Also uh
a) not everyone there has to be a colour fixer
b) it might genuinely just be a Water Margin reference, since it's a nickname for the Tiangang Star. We see Lei Heng and Zilu also referred to as their star's nicknames (Winged Tiger, the Unrestrained, for example)
This is during the duel scene
keen palm
I feel like when a character is mentioned as being one of the strongest fixers in a conversation about the strongest fixers and shares the same naming convention (Color/Material Noun) of Colors, who are the strongest fixers
Its genuinely more of a stretch to say otherwise with presented information
I am saying, specifically, The Jade Qirin is a color, not everyone in that list
vagrant dove
It's brought up in conversation w/ people who aren't at the time
I'm open to it being the case, because I like colour fixers, but I don't think we have enough evidence to be definitive
bronze zephyr
I wonder why Don’s never mentioned Jia Qiu being the Jade Qilin a single time through canto 8 if he is it, Jade Qilin is the nickname for the Tiangang Star in WM
Maybe Jia Qiu inherited Tiangang Star’s title from the previous Jade Qilin
bronze zephyr
I feel like when a character is mentioned as being one of the strongest fixers i...
The stipulation I’ve seen is that Jade Qilin doesn’t follow the Korean naming scheme of color fixers specifically but I don’t know Korean
main scaffoldBOT
This team is very finely dressed I must say
bronze zephyr
And also wildhunt Heathcliff is there
vagrant dove
This team is very finely dressed I must say
6 finely dripped out sinners and 1 wild hunt
main scaffoldBOT
~~Pretend he's 🎴 ~~
vagrant dove
Also Kodya is such a cool looking id honestly
main scaffoldBOT
Who we wish we could put in right now but everyone we would slot her in over has a support passive that would boost Kodya's sanity
vagrant dove
I love her constellation particle effects
keen palm
The stipulation I’ve seen is that Jade Qilin doesn’t follow the Korean naming sc...
Then we know what we must do
@cloud wadi
Summoning ritual
cloud wadi
wha
oh yes
옥기린 is 3 letters
not 4
like every other known color fixer who isn't red sack
bronze zephyr
Yee
vagrant dove
keen palm
bronze zephyr
How much stock do we want to put in the red sack exception
cloud wadi
unknown
vagrant dove
I think it's mainly bc the Red Sack is very much the Joke Colour
cloud wadi
yeah
main scaffoldBOT
As we were saying, very finely dressed
Rose (It/Its/She/Her) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️
keen palm
Also
Thinking about it
If we assume theres only one color of each right
Vergilus got his after Kali vanished/died
bronze zephyr
Mhm
keen palm
And Kali got hers after the Red Sack
So Kali got her name became she embodied the virtues of the Red Sack
vagrant dove
This JOLLY woman shared PRESENTS with a group of Index Proxies