two new mang users?
#Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.
stoic fjord
faint pivot
And I have a feeling that psychoments are gonna appear in an intervallo
||Rien and Sora yes||
Ngl rather outstanding for the other NF to keep up
neat cedar
i mean tbf
stoic fjord
||Rien and Sora yes||
||Also the Green Deliverance||
faint pivot
||Also the Green Deliverance||
Aha, true
neat cedar
and we have known for a while it's teachable
vs Ego
which requires a certain level of self awakening
worthy haven
Also it isnt like one piece haki since the effects do seem to vary wildly based on the user which is cool
faint pivot
Antagonists in EGO gear on the other hand... 😋
stoic fjord
we have
- Fraud 1
- Fraud 2
faint pivot
Cook faster N Corp
faint pivot
we have
1. Fraud 1
2. Fraud 2
Frauds 3-6 too don't forget
worthy haven
Oh also
faint pivot
They're valuable for both sides of the battle
stoic fjord
Frauds 3-6 too don't forget
wait who again
faint pivot
Anyway yea gimme more fucked up puzzle fights
worthy haven
It is kinda really interesting they keep not showing us Ahab
faint pivot
wait who again
Sticking
worthy haven
do think they got cool shit for her design planned
stoic fjord
ohhhhh yeah the fuckin fairy gentlemen mfs
stoic fjord
It is kinda really interesting they keep not showing us Ahab
they gotta have something brewing
faint pivot
do think they got cool shit for her design planned
Watch she's just Normal™ lmao
worthy haven
would be funny
faint pivot
I feel like that's unlikely but it'd be funny if they had nothing cooking yea
worthy haven
gonna be interesting to see the fit upgrade cause Nelly def got a huge one
Girl lookin fire
faint pivot
💯
I won't lie
Hair down
Striking red on blue
She rocks the uniform the best imho
worthy haven
hmm I think she ties with Hermann
I really hope we get an old g corp sprite for her
unique bane
main scaffoldBOT
Oh, question: how good is Index Faust?
tiny cave
she's okay, she does a lot of sinking potency infliction and she's certainly going to be better than another poise team member
mostly the issue is
- On sinking she is fairly count negative and takes the place of an echoes of the manor inflictor
- She's worse than index don
main scaffoldBOT
Index Don seems really good, though we've only been able to use her twice
Also, what do you mean by "better than another poise team member?"
split beacon
She’s much stronger than a Blade Lineage filler pick
main scaffoldBOT
Ahh
karmic escarp
BLfaust catching strays? it's a good ass day
split beacon
Look, Index Faust fuels Thoracalgia just as well, she’s a better Poise unit, and she does more damage
karmic escarp
truthnuke!
main scaffoldBOT
So we should probably grab here then 📝👀
main scaffoldBOT
Plus we already have Index Don so they'll synergize well together
stoic fjord
why did I 10 pull with a 33% chance to get a dupe
main scaffoldBOT
Because gambling is fun 
stoic fjord
Because gambling is fun <:sadcowboy:572822626456698892>
only a tiny bit
tbh I think it was probably just 99% impulse
and wanting to get either InFau or UdjOutis
anyways I'm 100% pulling for Kiramael
hrm
what to do....
shard maid ryo and grind up the shards again for bad end?
or do something reasonable for ocne
main scaffoldBOT
We'd say to wait, just in case the bad end is also a poise ID or something
stoic fjord
yeah but I wanna play a stupid-ass MD team of Wild Hunt only
Edgar Family and Wuthering Heights IDs
split beacon
why did I 10 pull with a 33% chance to get a dupe
hey if it's any consolation I have a season 7 000 assured I ain't never gonna use
cuz I'm not pulling for Kiramael
stoic fjord
That's the opposite problem
split beacon
HEY
HEY EXCUSE ME
you can't be doing me like this KJH, you can't set landmines under my feet like that
cloud wadi
Apparently it’s Outis who’s got Mathias role
stoic fjord
Apparently it’s Outis who’s got Mathias role
Fr?
cloud wadi
Ye
stoic fjord
Teaser?
cloud wadi
Credible evidence
split beacon
That's the opposite problem
I mean think about it this way, you either use the 000 assured and get the pull you want or you don't right
wintry fiber
Apparently it’s Outis who’s got Mathias role
Interesting
cloud wadi
Has been presented to me
split beacon
so whether you save it and it goes to waste or you waste it now, the outcome is still 50 Egoshards
cloud wadi
gentle mulch
WHAT
split beacon
HWELL
stoic fjord
HUH???
split beacon
LOOKS LIKE VALENCINA RODION'S BACK ON THE MENU
stoic fjord
VALENCINA RODIONNNNN
karmic escarp
LOOKS LIKE VALENCINA RODION'S BACK ON THE MENU
MILLIONS CHEERED!!!!
cloud wadi
Odysseus did feed his own men to the monsters for survival
gentle mulch
yeah
split beacon
btw hard confirm we're getting Nursefather IDs playable if they made an Envy Res EGO for Outis in anticipation of this ID
gentle mulch
valencina rodion needs to be in her crashout-drunk levels of inebriation
split beacon
Parry that conjecture
gentle mulch
btw im in lux
whats the uhh
envy res to activate burn mode
for iddle
for ishmaeddle
ooooof
3+ envy res
sadly you are not replacing liu ishmael
main scaffoldBOT
That do be how the Middle IDs work tbh
cloud wadi
They fit only in envy res team
fluid whale
The sad part is we still don't have burn bleed in MD because we have a double slotted Ishmael
cosmic gorge
Something something we love to see women excelling in fields monopolized by men (being horrible fathers)
tiny cave
why did I 10 pull with a 33% chance to get a dupe
luck correlates with skill
kiramael is yet another id with better ut1 art than ut3 art
somehow her bleed count infliction is not complete garbage though because her s3 is +2 count and she's a middle id so she's using that every turn
also helps that its a counter so it doesn't get the bleed stack smoked by unbreakables
split beacon
That means her Burn app is also pretty good huh
gentle mulch
i generally prefer ut1 art than ut3 because ut1 can be some interesting "please pull for this id" eyecatcher and then the ut3 is "but i kill people ;)"
ebon forge
I PRAY whoever gets Valencina gets an envy S1
tiny cave
That means her Burn app is also pretty good huh
i'm unsure if it applies burn count when applying bleed count but it should
ebon forge
Maybe S2
wild mango
did an MDH run and got a FUCKTON of boxes, so i just sharded the kk duo
the only thing i really have missing is sanguine desire c:
ebon forge
69, to be exact
split beacon
Oh also: with this can the Middle IDs reliably manifest enough Resonance to always have S3 counters
gentle mulch
i would love it if the IDs this season had envy skill 1s/2s/defense without necessarily being build for envyres support
split beacon
Because if that’s the case I can see some rancid The Middle Vs Everyone runs coming down the line
wild mango
and MAYBE priest gregor but im not pressed since i have night awls gregor
tiny cave
Oh also: with this can the Middle IDs reliably manifest enough Resonance to alwa...
you're probably still a charge hybrid team so i guess
midclair, midsault (for electric screaming), madonka, kiramael, multicracked faust, wcliff (?) and uhh ID number 7 here
ebon forge
please please please envy valencina
gentle mulch
im waiting for bremor support, burn and tremor are just free coin power conditional statuses if you dont care about using the statuses themselves
tiny cave
probably wrath/sloth like the other thumb ids
split beacon
So conceivably Envy but she could also be Gloom or Pride
ebon forge
gloom evade for sure
tiny cave
the other two are wrath/lust/sloth but she might be wrath/gloom/sloth
gentle mulch
i still dont know how i was supposed to get past that odin's eye
ebon forge
i feel envy would be really nice on an S1 tbh
tiny cave
i still dont know how i was supposed to get past that odin's eye
you let verg deal with it or use egos
she loses it every time she clashes and loses more if she loses a clash
when she hits 0 she can't evade for 3 turns
split beacon
I could see her being a Pride/Sloth/Wrath ID with a Gloom evade, but uh
Valencina has no Envy skills
ebon forge
yeah
gentle mulch
verg gets evademogged every time he wins though, and then she just refreshes all her eye stacks every turn
tiny cave
so if you just clash with her it also works, your sinners have infinity shield so they can just take her counter
or use an ego to outroll it, rodion rolls 28, greg rolls 28
ebon forge
im just saying, imposed onto say, rodya
tiny cave
verg gets evademogged every time he wins though, and then she just refreshes all...
verg will eventually use higher rolling skills
when the red fraud feels like it
tiny cave
he'll use Following the Flow or Silence which outrolls it
split beacon
He’s not locked in yet
gentle mulch
this fraud made me use a durante power for the first time by dragging his feet
washed color
split beacon
Also you can screw him up by attacking Valencina first and letting her get more Eye of Precognition stacks
Which increases her Precognition’s base power
ebon forge
also
moriastasis is op asf
imagine being able to bring a fucking color down to your level
split beacon
However, infinitely funny to nail her with a high roller EGO and break her Precognition early
lean fjord
i still dont know how i was supposed to get past that odin's eye
deal with Lucio first, then gang up on her together with Verg
split beacon
She gets mad
ebon forge
as a level 1 yi sang
tiny cave
However, infinitely funny to nail her with a high roller EGO and break her Preco...
doesn't break it sadly
she uses that evade as long as she has stacks of eye
split beacon
I mean
tiny cave
even if someone has already outrolled the evade she just whips out another one
split beacon
She loses stacks and gets mad and her Shin kicks in
ebon forge
gentle mulch
deal with Lucio first, then gang up on her together with Verg
oh lucio gets clapped like easily. like i steamroll him. then valencina takes over and i would get fucked
split beacon
Also if you do her dirty enough she’ll crash out about being Valencina della Famiglia Bognatelli
gentle mulch
I AM BASE VALENCINA I AM A CITY TIER I CANT BE BEAT
split beacon
You let Verg handle her while you clap Lucio’s cheeks
gentle mulch
"haaahhh....your color scheme includes red"
tiny cave
also why does kiramael have like
single coin power conditionals
lmao
i guess because of her tattoo thing giving her +2 final power at 10 stacks
gentle mulch
maybe i just need to let lucio live longer?
split beacon
And then when Vergilius has locked in enough
tiny cave
but how long does it take to ramp that up
split beacon
You can beat Valencina’s ass
gentle mulch
i might be killing lucio too fast...
ebon forge
single coin power conditionals
she's an actually competent double status for once
gentle mulch
kodya. go easy on him
ebon forge
thats why /j
charge doesnt count as a status /j
ok seriously though, who tf is double/triple status and actually does it well
si branch
gentle mulch
si branch is preddy gewd
ebon forge
w sang, if you count charge
tiny cave
ok seriously though, who tf is double/triple status and actually does it well
hong lord
caposault
ebon forge
only with outis to balance his count iirc
tiny cave
i mean his count is not awful except on his s2 normally
his s1 is neutral and his s3 is almost certainly positive because it calls in a mao to give +8
ebon forge
0/-4/0 on poise
gentle mulch
hong lord with outis in #2 and gregor in #3
tiny cave
0/-3/-1 but yeah
gentle mulch
also if you have thora it just gets stupid
ebon forge
wait its 0/-6/0 sorry
tiny cave
his s2 is -3 poise count so should be 0/-6/-1 per rotation
split beacon
his s1 is neutral and his s3 is almost certainly positive because it calls in a ...
or a Rooster
tiny cave
counting for end of turn decay
split beacon
to go -4
ebon forge
his s3 is neutral i think
ebon forge
so 0, before the turn decay
ebon forge
thats thora faust stuff
tiny cave
nryo is a workable dual status id
though you'll be guarding a lot if you use her in bleed
hanafudamael
ebon forge
0/-6/6, so he's count neutral on count i think, depending on the mao
gentle mulch
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
tiny cave
0/-6/6, so he's count neutral on count i think, depending on the mao
ryo and faust aren't gonna be able to clash so they're only +7 on assist (iirc) unless they run into a clashable counter
gentle mulch
why not
gentle mulch
walpurgis isnt for a few months
tiny cave
whereas outis is +8 i think
ebon forge
ryo and faust aren't gonna be able to clash so they're only +7 on assist (iirc) ...
mmm but outism is the default position 2
split beacon
dapp me up
ebon forge
ok wait, hanaish is 0/-6/0 + 0
ebon forge
so she literally just needs ONE kod to go neutral
tiny cave
split beacon
🤝
tiny cave
ok wait, hanaish is 0/-6/0 + 0
hana ish does not use s2 on sinking
and doesn't use s1 on tremor
ebon forge
fair enough
split beacon
yeah the goof with Hanaish is that you just pick the status you want
and use that skill
ebon forge
huh
tiny cave
turns out i just needed to gamble again
split beacon
because her discard works such that you literally tutor the one you want
tiny cave
gambling always pays kids
ebon forge
damn
split beacon
nah I'mma save I'm fairly low on resources rn
ebon forge
i spent mine already :3
tiny cave
same
gentle mulch
im gonna rip the 000extract as soon as the bad end id hits
ebon forge
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
gentle mulch
two nursefathers we have confirmed?
ebon forge
VALRODYA PEAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
ebon forge
unless they genderbend her, which they WONT
tiny cave
split beacon
Ishmael saying "bruh" is fucking hilarious I kneel
how old is Kirashmael supposed to be
gentle mulch
bruh
tiny cave
bruh
gentle mulch
ebon forge
bruh
split beacon
her Skill 1 healing SP on use scares me
gentle mulch
i imagine Ishmaeddle is supposed to be like 18 flat/younger than sinclair
split beacon
that's a scary thing to introduce to the wild
split beacon
Sinclair is also formal and a shrinking viole(n)t though
wait fuck
Shrinking Violent describes Sinclair perfectly I'm gonna remember that one
tiny cave
alright time to level up ishy and put her in my company
split beacon
Wait so
This confirms my suspicion that the Sinner Nursefathers will not be as terrible as their originals huh
tiny cave
yeah
split beacon
Because never in a billion fucking years would Outis pull any of Matthias’s crap
tiny cave
the ish uptie story implies that outis buys her comics so outis can read the comics
dusty sigil
||VALENCIA RODION REEEEEEEEEEEAL||
tiny cave
which is hilarious
dusty sigil
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
gentle mulch
hey kiddo here's some comics now fucking scoot over i get first read
dusty sigil
EVERYONE WAS SAYING RODION MATTHIAS
split beacon
So Middle Outis is like
dusty sigil
EVERYONE DOUBTED ME
split beacon
An actual mom
gentle mulch
i was saying heath tbf
split beacon
That’s so fucking funny
tiny cave
ricardo heathcliff alive
gentle mulch
middle rodion i supported because uhh
i think the middle clothes look nice on her
hoooooh my god i just realized outis is going to be in that outfit then
split beacon
By the Book you people are animals, I will take vengeance as always
wild mango
i just wanna know who the ring ids are gonna be
split beacon
MEURSAULT
main scaffoldBOT
What’s the punishment for this crime?
Lunatic Blue ↩️
wild mango
i just wanna know who the ring ids are gonna be
since they will be meta for the bleed team if they arent conflicitng with a bloodfiend
split beacon
until morale improves!
tiny cave
kiramael uptie
wild mango
since they will be meta for the bleed team if they arent conflicitng with a bloo...
if both are sinners that dont have bloodfiend ids, they MAY unseat the kk duo
tiny cave
middle outis is a fixerboo confirmed
wild mango
if both are sinners that dont have bloodfiend ids, they MAY unseat the kk duo
one of em could be gregor (priest) or heathcliff (kk) and it may still cause a meta shift
main scaffoldBOT
LCB Outis would be horrified
Gnocchian with Meatballs ↩️
gentle mulch
outis doing the parent thing of "oh you want fixer insights? mmokay ill get you fixers monthly" is hilarious
it's gonna turn out that she uses the magazines to hunt marks down, too
tiny cave
LCB Outis would be *horrified*
lcb outis fought in the smoke war with lolang and salvadore
probably knows fixers aren't all that
wild mango
MEURSAULT
you think mersault is gonna be a ring id?
Of all things i would think he would have gotten a index id
gentle mulch
Meursault Rien
tiny cave
ring minimalist maestro mersault
wild mango
ring minimalist maestro mersault
if mersault got a ring id it would be TOUGH for him to usneat princesault
i just wanna know who gets callisto
main scaffoldBOT
Nah, we already know the Rien counterpart is Yi Sang
ICEOUT Hardware (Ping 👍) ↩️
main scaffoldBOT
...we should probably go into a story node or something so we stop seeing Rien with a fpoon
wild mango
i just wanna know who gets callisto
and albina but yeag
tiny cave
i'm betting on faubina
wild mango
cos if the callisto id buffs all ring ids we WILL see ringsang go core in the bleed team again
so
theres 10 nursefathers/apprentices
and ryoshu
whos the 12th HoS ID?
or is one just gonna get left out
cos mersault never got a heishou id right?
tiny cave
well i guess there's lamp hohenheim, and lcd
wild mango
we may not get a 12th HoS id
yeah
gentle mulch
move into lce/lcd
tiny cave
but i doubt we'll get a 12th HoS id yea
tiny cave
i feel like vespa and moses are above our paygrade
gentle mulch
honestly?
tiny cave
but i could see ezrodion
wild mango
MAYBE mersault for vespa
gentle mulch
distortion detective pre LCD IDs
wild mango
but that would be WILD
gentle mulch
maybe as a walp shakeup or something
wild mango
god a moses id would be sick they could do such crazy shit with it
it would either suck or be amazing
cos she doesnt clash that much
gentle mulch
GCorp Outis if she was good
wild mango
i'm betting on faubina
Faust albina would be cool but she’d have to at least compete with the other flex units in the bleed team, if not be core
Since gripperfaust still has a great bench passive
tiny cave
ye but fau has no main bleed id currently (bl and shi don't count, ncorp is a benchwarmer)
wild mango
ye but fau has no main bleed id currently (bl and shi don't count, ncorp is a be...
Yeah
tiny cave
i can't really see ring heathcliff
gentle mulch
tbh i dont think we'll have like. super core bleed IDs, but like
a proliferation of hybrid teams
wild mango
I’m sure she would be good, and probably even better with the Callisto ID
Well, ring is mainly bleed
And uh
Ringsang
tiny cave
who doesn't have an id or confirmed id yet lets see
fau, mersault, hong lu, heath, rodion, skincare, greg
and we need
thumb apprentice+nursefather
ring apprentice+nursefather
pinky apprentice+nursefather
wild mango
tbh i dont think we'll have like. super core bleed IDs, but like
IMO if the Callisto id buffs all ring units, and both them and the albina id are good, we may see a ring trio unseating the kk duo
tiny cave
its possible, kk duo is mostly used for bleed pot because count is handled by sanguine
and it'll be hard to unseat their insane pot infliction
wild mango
Yeah tbh
It just depends
what im saying is that the callisto id has the potential to shoot ringsang into the stratosphere if its a "leader" style id for ring units
gentle mulch
callisto id has a chance of just enhancing corporists
wild mango
maybeeeee
gentle mulch
hong lord was a recent example of being really picky
gentle mulch
i think drifter has backwards compatibility
but his selection is mainly just heishous
picky on the jia family part
backwards comp.
wild mango
pog
wild mango
backwards comp.
i see
fluid whale
Because never in a billion fucking years would Outis pull any of Matthias’s crap
wellllllllllll
I can think of one thing matthias did that she maybe already has replicated
lean fjord
okay with Valentina Rodion on the table, what if Lucio Greg
fluid whale
It's possible, honestly I think what they're doing is keeping anyone who'd be in the relevant fights away from them so that they don't have to program in more interactions
dusty sigil
Also would make the second time Rodion and Gregor get mom and son IDs lol
fluid whale
ah, wait, that doesn't really work out bc the two candidates are both the other 2 people fighting Lucio
yeah nevermind I'm talking out of my ass again mb
dusty sigil
AURA FARMING IS CANON TO THE CITY
dusty sigil
Honestly the best thing to come out of this canto was learning that the kids, teenagers and young adults of this city talk like Gen Z
You think they’d refer to Vergilius as unc?
lean fjord
Yes
wild mango
AURA FARMING IS CANON TO THE CITY
LMAO LETS FUCKING GO
stray sleet
Incredible
dusty sigil
AURA FARMING IS CANON TO THE CITY
Also btw, she’s spitting
The Liu farms the most aura by far
Of any association
It’s crazy
lean fjord
They do
lean fjord
I was about to say just look at Liu Yi Sang lmao
gentle mulch
liu yi sang has some of the best drip in the franchise
wild mango
end of conversation
gentle mulch
like legitmately, sleeve art that matches the pockets
fucking peak
like actually peak
it's not even like a full decal so it doesnt need to fit perfectly too
it's designed to be drippy in use and not just modeled to look good in photoshoots
like that's good regular wear
dusty sigil
xiao
Legitimately
She was about to become a color for a goddamn reason
And it was all the aura she had
gentle mulch
also
kiramael jumping into cinqsault's streams like can you just fight more than one person already
dusty sigil
She’s been banned from his stream 20 times now
Every time she comes in with a new alt to challenge him again
true bluff
I genuinely got flashbanged by gen z slang from ishamael's new ID
oh that's what is being talked about.
I was not expecting it, that I put my head in my hands.
main scaffoldBOT
You think Ezra and Kira will get along once Kira recovers?
MagmaNaught (any) ↩️
I think so
dusty sigil
I think so
I think so too
cloud wadi
1 pull on ish
and I got
I don't even remember actually
I think it was shi ish somehow
dusty sigil
INDIGO ELDER UPSCALE
cloud wadi
dupe of her
I mean yeah
Indigo Elder was already being discussed as the Strongest
around Ruina's time
we know he's like
dusty sigil
Wait when?
cloud wadi
the real deal
there was a dialogue back and forth between Roland and Geburah posted on twitter
where she asks him who the Strongest is nnow
dusty sigil
I thought that discussion between Roland and Gebura mentioned Vergilius and 2 colors we haven’t seen yet
uneven canopy
a twitter thread lore...
cloud wadi
and Roland says that's a controversial subjects
but mentions the Fixer of the Lake
which is surely the Indigo Elder
cloud wadi
no color actually comes up in that conversation
surprisingly
he mentions
Siegfried
Reynauld
Fixer of the Lake
Jade Qilin
and the Cloud Blade
just off the top of my head
of which we have met 3 of them
maybe 4
dusty sigil
Huh
cloud wadi
err
we haven't met the Cloud blade
but he did get a mension
in Kimsault's uptie
the Cloud Blade is the royal protector of S Corp
the bodyguard of the S Corp royal family
Kim could have risen to that position if he focused on his training and augmentation and glory
but chose to side with the reformist faction instead etc
keen palm
Jade Qirin is also implied to be Jia Qiu
dusty sigil
I am surprised Vergilius didn’t make his list, since when they did meet we know Roland was very averse to fighting him
cloud wadi
he makes an entirely separate list
dusty sigil
Oh?
cloud wadi
geburah gives up on trying to figure out who the strongest is
and asks him who the most dangerous fixer is
roland without hesitation answers Vergil
cloud wadi
Vergil is uncontroverted as the Most Dangerous
dusty sigil
INDIGO ELDER UPSCALE
Also I did just realize
dusty sigil
This line is probably also in reference to the fact that it’s still Ishmael
She’s still connected to that lake
cloud wadi
he's unique among color fixers in that he's not self-absorbed
uneven canopy
guy who actively has to be contracted to not interfere with the city's affairs?
cloud wadi
he gets riled up
dusty sigil
Even if she’s never been in that mirror world
gentle mulch
genuinely a gamechanger
cloud wadi
he blows up an entire Ring School just because they kidnapped a random orphan girl
at a random ass factory
for no personal gain
at a great personal cost
crimson spindle
also it's roland being a hypocrite because vergil and him are secretly the same
cloud wadi
yeah
dusty sigil
Yah, the only other person on that list we know that would do something like that is Jia Qiu, assuming he’s the Jade Qilin
cloud wadi
they are both extremely extremely mad
crimson spindle
it's just that roland's snapping and fucking everything over point was different
cloud wadi
roland's got furioso
which must be a wrath skill
and vergil as we know
is the angriest man on the planet
dusty sigil
It’s temu version was at least
dusty sigil
Yah, the only other person on that list we know that would do something like tha...
And even then, his reasons for intervening are like
wild mango
genuinely a gamechanger
oh shit thats awesome actually
dusty sigil
Ethical grounds
gentle mulch
zayin ego btw
dusty sigil
He has a set of beliefs he follows and acts in accordance to
cloud wadi
genuinely a gamechanger
yeah having that on mathias id
wild mango
zayin ego btw
oh, what ego?
cloud wadi
just infinite envy resonance all the time
dusty sigil
Vergilius just, does things
cloud wadi
for all the ego
gentle mulch
outis scissors
cloud wadi
Vergilius just, does things
yep
and that's why he's the most dangerous fixer to cross
wild mango
OH right
gentle mulch
it's basically like "oh yeah what if envy res had access to sin resistances and ego other than just envy ones"
wild mango
gonna be great for matthias id
dusty sigil
I’m very happy that Outis got Matthias tbh
crimson spindle
the difference between vergil and another color fixer is basically that vergil might snap and murder you because you offended his morality
a thing that most of the other color fixers are implied to kind of not have any more
dusty sigil
People were getting a little to attached to the Rodya traitor theory
cloud wadi
but yeah doesn't surprise me Kiraish would powerscale Indigo Elder as the strongest
crimson spindle
or have in a twisted or unusual way, but a way that can be read
cloud wadi
indigo elder being the strongest was already being discussed
afaik he's the only Color fixer on that list
dusty sigil
That they were ignoring the fact that Valencia was obviously a Rodya parallel
crimson spindle
like, don't get between indigo and his fishing and he'll probably leave you be
cloud wadi
and he's implied to be actively becoming stronger
dusty sigil
but yeah doesn't surprise me Kiraish would powerscale Indigo Elder as the strong...
She’s still attached to the lake
cloud wadi
unlike other fixers on that list who seem stagnant
dusty sigil
Even if she’s never been there in that reality
cloud wadi
his star is st ill rising
and yeah
she's still attached to that lake
hilarious if you think about it
how of that list
crimson spindle
the reason argalia was seen as so dangerous briefly is he went full unpredictable
dusty sigil
it's the Elder who's looking towards the future
He’s so pride coded it’s crazy
crimson spindle
it wasn't that he was a color, it was that he was no longer behaving as a predictable element of the fixer system
cloud wadi
while the others are unknown or content with corporate lifestyle
cloud blade is the royal protector of a crumbling dynasty haha
siegfried is a literal poster boy
reynauld's heydays are behind him
dusty sigil
I wonder who Reynauld is
cloud wadi
one of charles' knights
dusty sigil
Looking up the name all I get is darkest dungeon
cloud wadi
roland seems to dislike him
dusty sigil
one of charles' knights
I thought the name was Renauld?
dusty sigil
Ohhh
Ok yah if he’s Renauld that makes sense
This canto implied he was the best in Charles office
cloud wadi
Roland's like
dusty sigil
And that was an office with a color and a practical color in it
cloud wadi
"Yeah even that bastard Renauld gets brought up couple of times."
dusty sigil
Actually wait no
Angelica wasn’t part of Charles office was she?
She just worked with them during the blood red night case
cloud wadi
she was part of the office i'm sure
dusty sigil
Ohhh
cloud wadi
Roland was the leader of the Charles' office
crimson spindle
this is probably an orlando furioso joke
cloud wadi
after the old man Charlie retired
crimson spindle
because during orlando furioso renauld drinks a magic spring that causes him to love angelica
while she drinks from one that causes her to hate him
this is during the same period where roland is romancing her
dusty sigil
So he’s either considered better or nearly as good as the black silence
tired canyon
SORAMAEL POWERSCALES
dusty sigil
Hard to tell since she was very dead by the time of Roland and Gebura’s conversation
And I assume Roland wasn’t counting himself in that strongest list
crimson spindle
so roland probably is saltmastering over renauld having hit on his wife
dusty sigil
so roland probably is saltmastering over renauld having hit on his wife
Probably
cloud wadi
since in the epiglogue, Renaud is the only one who's totally dismissive of Roland
for Roland's bad ending
dusty sigil
Oh yah that is very dismissive
cloud wadi
but yeah Roland and Renaud isn't in the best of terms
dusty sigil
I guess it’s fair though
By then he had killed Olivier
If they didn’t like each other before, they definitely wouldn’t by then
crimson spindle
renauld is also generally associated with being envied and hated by others for his talent
his death is the same as St. Reinold
he quits knightdom, enters a religious order, and immediately shows up the stonemasons of the order
filled with envy they beat him to death
dusty sigil
Oh Jesus
I guess if we meet him in limbus we better hope he never retires from being a fixer
cloud wadi
he'll join a workshop
no no wait
he'll join the Ring
immediately prove to be a much better at art than most of the maestros
and they'll immediately kill him
dusty sigil
It would fit for them
Man, what’s with fixers names after mythological European knights?
They’re all monsters
All the fixers of Charles office, Siegfried, others I’m forgetting probably
crimson spindle
incidentally the 12 paladins vary a lot by story, it's a rotating group
dusty sigil
Oh I didn’t know
crimson spindle
pmoon appears to be using bullfinch's listing
dusty sigil
I thought it was 12 specifically
crimson spindle
Roland (aka Orlando), Rinaldo (or Renaud) of Montauban, Duke Namo of Bavaria, King Salomon of Brittany, Archbishop Turpin, Astalpho of England, Ogier the Dane, Malagigi the Enchanter and Florismart.
dusty sigil
Question, is that the same list Fate uses?
crimson spindle
except, you'll note
that's still not quite right
because pmoon includes olivier
and there's others
Oliver, Huon of Bordeaux, Fierabras, and the traitor Ganelon.
crimson spindle
because it's an old historical romance listing and those change constantly
in the same way the knights of the round table are wildly inconsistent
The Song of Roland lists the Paladins as Roland, Oliver, Gérin, Gérier Bérengier, Otton, Samson, Engelier, Ivon, Ivoire, Anséis, Girard
dusty sigil
Oh I was asking why PMoon included Olivier
When he’s otherwise absent in the lineup they go with
cloud wadi
there's also a Naimon
crimson spindle
oh because olivier is a major role in orlando furioso
cloud wadi
in that 12 knights
dusty sigil
oh because olivier is a major role in orlando furioso
Ohhhh
cloud wadi
cloud wadi
ah yeah
there is is
he is the embodiment of moderation and justice
so in ruina she (I think) was the only one who was willing to go check up on Roland to see how he was doing
well she and Astolfo
though I think Astolfo was the one who shoved a lance into Roland's back
crimson spindle
Bradamante incidentally is not one of the paladins but another female character from Orlando Furioso
but otherwise the named charles office fixers mostly match the standard list
Roland, Olivier, Astolfo, Ogier, Namo/Naimon, Renaud, Maugris/Malagigi
and then bradamante and angelica who are women and therefore not in the normal listingg
cloud wadi
this is Renaud's silhouette
so another big storng guy
would totally be Kira and Don's type now that I think about it
dusty sigil
Bro is huge
karmic escarp
oh because olivier is a major role in orlando furioso
wasnt olivier also ride or die with roland during roncevaux?
crimson spindle
yeah
they both die there, along with archbishop turpin
at least in the song of roland
crimson spindle
incidentally the song of roland has one of the funniest hashtag relatable endings
dusty sigil
Also, good to see Kiramael continues the middle tradition
crimson spindle
after all the chaos
dusty sigil
Of bad potency and practically no count
crimson spindle
charlemagne lays down to finally sleep
crimson spindle
and is visited in his dream by the archangel gabriel
cloud wadi
not a burn or bleed id lmao
crimson spindle
who tell him he's gotta wake up and help save christendom again
cloud wadi
i do appreciate that this canto doesn't relaly have a coherent theme though
it's like a smorgasboard
we are all getting little bites of everything
dusty sigil
she's a middle id
Ricardo sees she has no count and immediately takes her as a little sister
cloud wadi
instead of 12 years of rupture
crimson spindle
and charlemagne ends the story basically complaining about fucked up his stupid-ass life is
dusty sigil
Lol
crimson spindle
The day has passed, the night has fallen by the time the emperor
has executed his judgment and relieved his great wrath, and instilled the Christian faith into Bramimonde. The king has laid himself down in his vaulted chamber. Saint Gabriel came to him with a message from God: “Charles, summon the armies of thy empire! By force shalt thou enter the land of Bire and bring succour to king Vivien in his city of Imphe which the heathen have besieged. The Christians are crying out and calling for thee.” The emperor had no wish to go. “God,” he said, “how full of toil is my life!” Tears flow from his eyes and he pulls his white beard
dusty sigil
we are all getting little bites of everything
Also yah, I like the variety
Instead of just, burn forever
We already got the upcoming thumb and Dihui star IDs
We’ll get burn eventually
Let us get something else first
dusty sigil
> The day has passed, the night has fallen by the time the emperor
> has execut...
He just like me
crimson spindle
it's such a good gag to end the story on
"wake up emperor, we've got a city to burn"
faint pivot
HEY **EXCUSE ME**
Wdym
faint pivot
washed color
Hilarious considering this is exactly the kind of performance I'd expect from the people ||used as foot soldiers during the Smoke War||
ebon forge
AURA FARMING IS CANON TO THE CITY
Bro i just KNOW she does 67 memes
she's also the exact flavor of person to meme about that one assassinated asswipe n-corp-ass excuse of a "fixer" who got that taboo-ass song that everyone fucking hates
cloud wadi
gimme more xp tickets game
cloud wadi
Lmfao
Watching the showcase for Ishmael
Kiramael
She forgets her combat lines sometimes
Instead of saying
“Certain Kill Move, Violet… Breaking… Slam!”
She goes
“Uhh… umm… whatever slam!” Sometimes
bronze zephyr
LOL
cloud wadi
It’s tied to whether she rolls heads or tails on her third coin I think
bronze zephyr
Oh that’s super funny
cloud wadi
Yeah she seems to stutter and mumble under her breath when she rolls tail on the third coin
tiny cave
ID is pretty good if you have the 6 envy ares consistently, which is not that hard with charge envy
Turns out using a S3 every turn is great
I feel like the only thing these middle IDs are lacking is defense because they don’t really generate a lot of shield to spam counters over and over
cloud wadi
I mean that’s middle for yah
They are much better as a result with middle themed ego gifts
Does Kira make benefit from those actually
Oh she does
She got that middle tag
bronze zephyr
Kira Ish uptie story kinda sad, interesting middle lore
Outis giving Ishmael what she thinks Ishmael wants instead of actually listening and connecting to her makes me enjoy her as a Matthias ID more than I thought
wild mango
What does the envy team look like now? Just curious
tiny cave
Middle Ish
Middle Sinc
Middle Mersault (still need electric screaming)
Madonka
W Cliff
Multicracked Faust
+1
All of those IDs have an envy defense which is critical for envy A-Res
bronze zephyr
Oh queen don over middle Don yeah I suppose so, rip middle don
tiny cave
Last slot you can run REaP, she has envy S1
You can run KoDion because she’s broken and has envy s2, she will mess up your A-Res quite often though and usually can’t EGO due to being neg san
You can run W Outis. She’s not very good but she has a good envy Zayin ego now and an envy s2
bronze zephyr
Perhaps this season we get middle Outis
wild mango
Middle Ish
Middle Sinc
Middle Mersault (still need electric screaming)
Madonka
W...
Madonka?
Queen of love and hate?
wild mango
Ok
tiny cave
Unfortunately she is just that much better then middle Don
Even if her guard is mid, half her skills are envy, she has an envy ego that she really wants to use
And she does a shit ton of damage
ebon forge
yeah she's 3/6 envy
wild mango
Last slot you can run REaP, she has envy S1
You can run KoDion because she’s bro...
Yeah I would assume middle outis is taking that last slot
ebon forge
anyways
i see the vision now
it's burn bleed poise sinking as the big game
each of the id combos are competent in their own right
such as poise/sinking on the index team
but they're all interlinked in one big web of statuses
its poise/sinking, burn/poise, burn/bleed, and possibly... burn/sinking for ring? if they're not 5 status again
i also like the way the new season is working out with them evolving the gimmick of the heishou based on the roster
presuming ryoshu is a leader id who synergizes with all the finger ids
wild mango
The thumb is burn/tremor tho?
ebon forge
burn/poise is presumably ryoshu, in burn/bleed/poise
poise sinking is index
burn/bleed is middle
hmmm, actually
sorry about burn/sinking
sinking/bleed, if theyre double status
tiny cave
Feel like Ryoshu will be burn sink poise judging by her ego
ebon forge
Burn bleed poise, no?
tiny cave
Newer hybrid IDs tend to have a status that is easy to maintain for coin power (burn/poise/tremor/charge) and a volatile one (bleed/rupture/sinking) so they can be count negative without being awful at clashing or dealing damage
tiny cave
Burn bleed poise, no?
Oh you right yi sang’s is sinking ryo’s isn’t
So I guess she’ll be burn bleed poise
Welcome back Captain Ish
bronze zephyr
LOL
faint pivot
its poise/sinking, burn/poise, burn/bleed, and possibly... burn/sinking for ring...
Based on the Spiders, the Ring are ||Bleed and Unique Charge, with 2 different blends: blood and bones||
faint pivot
The thumb is burn/tremor tho?
That's Eastern Thumb
ebon forge
Based on the Spiders, the Ring are ||Bleed and Unique Charge, with 2 different b...
Hmmm fancy…
karmic escarp
this color shit easy AF
vagrant dove
Bro i just KNOW she does 67 memes
I think she also mentions aurafarming in one of her voicelines
Peak id honestly
neat cedar
i think the funniest shit is her power scaling the fixers
cosmic gorge
ebon forge
fingerstuck???
neat cedar
cursed
atomic steeple
Hod tomatos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQTNJ66YTT0
atomic steeple
Middle outis!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ce0r1lpbE
atomic steeple
So Middle Outis doesn't get her daughter's interests, and overcompensates by exageration
Specially because her workload makes leave ish alone for a lot of time, and she probably knows ishmael is lonely
cosmic gorge
"are you winning daughter?"
atomic steeple
This outis probably is aware of her own failings, and overcompensates and feeds ish's coping mechanisms
quaint cliff
https://www.tumblr.com/starryharmonics/806423524970561536/got-an-idea
Enter Name.
Your name is KIRA and you are ???? YEARS OLD. A number of DISCARDED JUNK FOOD WRAPPERS are scattered about your Corridor. You have a variety of INTERESTS. You have a passion for REALLY TERRIBLE FATHER FIGURES. You like to mimic your Fixer shows but you are NOT VERY GOOD AT IT. You have a fondness for ACTION FIGURES, and are an aspiring LITTLE SISTER OF THE MIDDLE. You also like to play GAMES sometimes.
stoic fjord
<@909903609930604634> idfk if you know but they confirmed middle mommy outis
I saw yeah
worthy haven
Where is the Hagen mention smh
atomic steeple
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/project-moon-thread.111168/post-37394264
Physical; exploitative; emotional; neglect.
Long ago, the four kinds of child abuse lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Library attacked. Only Ayin, master of all four abuses, could stop them, but when his child needed him the least, he vanished.
worthy haven
Athos is Def cinqs strongest fixer
atomic steeple
Wait, middle outis lets ish eat junk food and leave trash on the ground? I saw in a middle ish voiceline
What. Outis. Her. Do that
What the fuck happened to her in that mirror world
mystic ermine
This
it doesn't feel right
quaint cliff
I like how Ishmael actually remembere all the Fixers’ names unlike Kira. She’s still a know-it-all nerd at her core.
keen palm
For the record I dont think Middle Ish's tier list confirms anything
It is ultimately a random fan girl's tierlist
tiny cave
we all know Finn is #1
dusty sigil
It is ultimately a random fan girl's tierlist
Have you considered however that I am also an indigo elder fan girl?
The glaze will never end
stoic fjord
Wait, middle outis lets ish eat junk food and leave trash on the ground? I saw i...
Outis has to be completely fucking dead inside or something
gentle mulch
disgraced washed up war general outis being a sad mom
stoic fjord
Outis has to be completely fucking dead inside or something
Like. Outis? Allowing this?
I'm not sure she's winning dad of the year but I also feel like there's no way she'd let that happen
Okay I read her uptie story on the wiki
I just.
Man.
:(
Kiramael UT story spoilers
I'm gonna cry
gentle mulch
oh my god
i just realized
if the mirror world nursefathers are better parents here than in the lcb world
the bad end ryoshu might be one where she stays in the spider's house when rien asks/never leaves
stoic fjord
if the mirror world nursefathers are better parents here than in the lcb world
Still not good parents but from what I can tell
They're genuinely trying and realize that they're probably not able to do quite enough
stoic fjord
the bad end ryoshu might be one where she stays in the spider's house when rien ...
Fuuuck
Wait
Araya ID, maybe
cosmic gorge
maid ryo vs nelly for comparison
both still failed their charges but one was less malicious about it
stoic fjord
Wait
Araya ID, maybe
||like. Grew up in the Spider House raised by the Ryoshu who never left. Or something. It's crazy how much I'm thinking about this already||
tiny cave
Kiramael UT story spoilers
outis wants to read the fixer magazines because outis is a fixerboo in this mirror universe
atomic steeple
Godamnit almost got to test gebura 7th bullet but messed up and did it on 6 bullets
mystic ermine
is making gebura not work on Solemn Lament gregor
what
bronze zephyr
??
dusty sigil
You mean Ira?
cloud wadi
Yeah ira
cloud wadi
Cyberarmed aengdu id when
dusty sigil
Chat, what are the characters the pinky titles are based off of?
Like the Dihui star and tiangtang star
stoic fjord
outis wants to read the fixer magazines because outis is a fixerboo in this mirr...
Oh nvm missed that bit
I'm lowkey a brick
Can't read
Reading comprehension is shit rn i slept like 1 hour last night
eternal berry
Chat, what are the characters the pinky titles are based off of?
Like, individually, or as a group? Collectively the Pinky is based off the 108 heroes of the Chinese novel Water Margin, and the titles are taken from their 108 corresponding titles there
dusty sigil
Yah I meant as a group
atomic steeple
Aight, I have 150 yellow boxes remaining on the pass before I clear it
I have like 240 yellow boxes saved up
390 total
dusty sigil
Whatcha planning to grab?
atomic steeple
About 780 shards, hm
200 for rodya, I forgot how many ryoshu shards I have but I think they're less than 50 so 350 for ryoshu
780-550=230
atomic steeple
Whatcha planning to grab?
Gonna grab seasonal ryoshu, leave 400 rodya for walpurgis, and whatever I think is necessary this season
dusty sigil
Oh yah Walp is coming up soon with the new schedule
atomic steeple
I am considering solemn lament yi sang, but my sinking team is a bit barebones
I am gonna mostly want to save up
unique bane
"Of course, the workload of said homework varies by Finger.
One of them, under the command of the Capo dei Capi, had been sent to fight in the front lines of war, while another was always absent due to the Prescripts…
Other Nursefathers would write replies to messages requesting their input on research and gallery management, while some simply did not receive any homework for relatively long stretches of time."
this tells us some stuff about the nursefathers and their work, but also how they're punished by their finger
valencia was punished by basically being demoted to soldato during the war, rien is given a different method of receiving prescripts that gives him more work and less room for interpretation (there was something about his prescripts being written in a different way than the usual one), callisto is kept away from art, only allowed input on research and gallery management, and the dihui star is left to stew in her bitterness
and all of them are isolated from the other members of their finger
atomic steeple
I will just do walp, and wait to see the "shape" of this season and want will go well with abd end ryoshu
Sinking at least seems like it'll get good support, and burn likely
The new yi sang ego can produce burn from sinking, which is an interesting thing
Given we don't have burn sinking units
(And yi sang is getting the id of the guy who things burning people is too cruel)
keen palm
You know what was a sign we shouldn't have trusted Matthias
He doesnt write people up in the book
He just kills them however he wants
dusty sigil
Doesn’t he write up the sinners when they escape him for the first time?
keen palm
He says he will but he doesnt
dusty sigil
Only to see they were already written up due to the Ricardo fiasco?
keen palm
He was just checking to see what they were wanted for
dusty sigil
Oh
dusty sigil
You think PM was minutes away from having Kiramael make a 67 joke?
cloud wadi
Six seven
atomic steeple
Apparently, only localized ish does 2020s jokes
Originally she is more 2000s and 2010s
dusty sigil
I think she’s just meant to sound like a middle/highschooler, it’s just rn America has a very different idea of what middle schoolers sound like then Korea
wild mango
Is anyone getting crashing on iOS?
atomic steeple
Queequeg: How old are you little one?
Ishmael: 26!
Queequeg: ...What
dusty sigil
God yah, that is the funniest part of Kira and Kiramael
They’re both grown ass women
They just willingly choose to still act like that
cosmic gorge
i still think ish is like, early thirties
dusty sigil
She’s gotta be
She was in her office job for a few years, was on the Pequod for a few years, then wandered around for a few years before joining limbus
wild mango
Yippee!
Basically meta bleed team
What’s the best bench passive for Sinclair on a bleed team, just so I know?
(Oh god, albina or Callisto Sinclair would be REALLY funny)
dusty sigil
What’s the best bench passive for Sinclair on a bleed team, just so I know?
He’s got nothing that directly supports bleed, so just one his generic ones
Either of the zwei, mariachi
wild mango
What about blade lineage Sinclair?
dusty sigil
You could also
3 pride resonance isn’t impossible to get
With The Kurokumo duo and Prince Meursault
dusty sigil
Oh absolutely yah
wild mango
I should probs get priest Gregor eventually, but I’m stockpiling/reserving boxes for sanguine desire first
wild mango
Canto 9 spoilers ||I am SO curious what caused sora to nearly distort and how she resisted Carmen tho||
dusty sigil
The prescripts demand
wild mango
Prescript: lock in
mystic ermine
I- I JUST entered extreme
stoic fjord
Yeah, they're way easier on early floors
And the boost will help if you get more on later floors
dusty sigil
How do you find secret bosses anyway?
ebon forge
How do you find secret bosses anyway?
Gambling
dusty sigil
Oh huh
I hope for this season’s mirror dungeon they include ||Roach Emperor Gregor as a secret boss||
cloud wadi
How do you find secret bosses anyway?
Random chance
I feel like we might actually encounter an aleph abno soon
Next week is dev stream right
dusty sigil
I feel like we might actually encounter an aleph abno soon
Maybe this walp even
We know this is a big one with a story and fight attached
So we might have to deal with something like mountain of smiling bodies breaching
uneven canopy
oh god if they had that locked up
mystic ermine
Nice.
dusty sigil
https://youtu.be/9ri5tIpW_2U?si=YoG3CfmbM4uhTKRn
I think it’s really funny that every animation of Valencia I see that uses a preexisting audio is always one of a dad
She truly is a woman thriving in a male dominated field
vagrant dove
mystic ermine
Oh no.
vagrant dove
**JOHN** ROLAND
"This truly was... our library of ruina"
-John Roland or something
Google AI may be utter slop, but it can be unintentionally really funny sometimes
mystic ermine
WHY DO THEY HATE HIM
mystic ermine
"This truly was... our library of ruina"
-John Roland or something
Google AI ma...
like the
"One reddit user says: "kill yourself""
that sent me rollign
vagrant dove
WHY DO THEY HATE HIM
He's about to yield too much flesh
dusty sigil
WHY DO THEY HATE HIM
Kurokumo agents
mystic ermine
WELL BUTTER MY BUTT AND CALL ME A BISCUIT
"THIS TWINK BOUTTA GET A SLAPCHOP"
this must be a sign
vagrant dove
WELL BUTTER MY BUTT AND CALL ME A BISCUIT
HEY YOSHIHIDE, GUESS WHO'S BACK FROM HELL
split beacon
I love how Southern he is in English
mystic ermine
secret bosses are good actually, free coin power
I love them
dusty sigil
HEY YOSHIHIDE, GUESS WHO'S BACK FROM HELL
I believe in Lei Heng Yuri
It would be so funny
vagrant dove
I love how Southern he is in English
Genuinely peak localisation choice honestly
split beacon
it's really good
vagrant dove
Heath's British-isms are probably my favourite, but Lei Heng is really good
I didn't know I needed Southern Jetstream Sam as a villain honestly
ebon forge
atomic steeple
I wish we got the sinners' reactions to the ids and egos
Outis and ish seeing this
Saw a joke of ish hiding that she likes that, and is watching outis' reaction to see if it's safe to admit it
mystic ermine
If I get hit with an Acronym that's longer than 6 letters I am going to make you watch yourself kill ||your dau-||
...
no, no I can't do that
main scaffoldBOT
Index Don is such a fun ID 😌
Magic1L ↩️