#Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

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stoic fjord
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BL Sault is a lot better with other BL members aiui

cloud wadi
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Udjag outis will also be good in a generic combat sinking team

mystic ermine
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fuck it

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imma gamb-

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hm.

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DO I gamble?

stoic fjord
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Don't

mystic ermine
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2.1k lunacy, 20 tickets

cloud wadi
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Don’t gamble

mystic ermine
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alright, well

cloud wadi
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Save up for walpurgisncht

stoic fjord
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You can grind and/or you can wait for events

cloud wadi
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Get shards from mirror dungeons and event rewards

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We should be getting one in like 3 weeks from my estimate

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Maybe 2 weeks

bronze zephyr
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KJH drop the roadmap I beg

mystic ermine
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alright, wait, so

SL Yi Sang, Index Don, Index Faust, SSWT Rodion, Edgar Ish - sinking
FS Hongler, FS Heath, Index Don, Index Faust, Edgar Ish

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so

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right?

stoic fjord
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Yuppers

mystic ermine
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great, ty

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it's been a long day

ebon forge
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SSWT?

mystic ermine
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and apparently, even counting to five two times is hard

stoic fjord
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Everyone else is for passives you want

stoic fjord
mystic ermine
stoic fjord
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KoDya

mystic ermine
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I know Kodya is easier to say

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but

ebon forge
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I’m used to just kod

mystic ermine
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...It's the sword sharpened with tears....

stoic fjord
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It's the E.G.O of KoD

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And it portmanteaus nicely into Rodion

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Thus, KoDion/KoDya

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It's like how it's QoHote or MaDonka

Though Madonka is in reference to magical madoka iirc rather than anything in-universe

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I also see SL Sang as Butterfly Sang

ebon forge
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i like madonka

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for sinking, depends on the type of team im running

stoic fjord
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Which, SL is probably objectively better but funny big numbers

ebon forge
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if im running an echos team id probably run spicebush

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but thats a kod echos team

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wifi nuke

stoic fjord
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I run SL Sang even in MD ngl

ebon forge
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but sl is more fun

stoic fjord
mystic ermine
bronze zephyr
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I never got spicebush either lol

ebon forge
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then again, since you can go like, 99/99 by turn 2, you can kinda just deluge every fucking turn

cloud wadi
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I run udjats instead of echoes these days

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Because c’mon

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Bang bang shoot

ebon forge
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yeah

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i like udjat more

cloud wadi
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Still really love the implication that if it wasn’t for the sabotage

split beacon
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also Sheut Fracture

cloud wadi
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Udjats would have had no problem wiping the floor with a star of the city level threat

split beacon
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Sheut Fracture kinda great

cloud wadi
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Yeah

split beacon
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Destroy All Abnormalities

ebon forge
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is this good though

cloud wadi
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Since most sinking and tremor team have both gloom and sloth

ebon forge
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so udjat outis is solidly sotc?

split beacon
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which Bygone Days is this

split beacon
cloud wadi
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It’s actually a LOT of bonus damage

ebon forge
cloud wadi
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There were like

split beacon
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Udjat Outis accompanied by the entire Udjat Vanguard

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is solidly SotC

cloud wadi
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20 udjats in a firing line

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Yeah

ebon forge
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ok fair enough

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the vanguard is sotc

cloud wadi
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Yeah

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These are like

wild mango
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Has Kjh ever mentioned UT/TS 5?

cloud wadi
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Grade 3 fixers minimum

ebon forge
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yeah full udjat team would be actually horrifying

cloud wadi
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All equipped with state of the art experimental gear

ebon forge
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running 12 udjat outis ids

cloud wadi
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And guns with five spare magazines

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Unspeakable luxury in the city

ebon forge
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imagine they werent so conservative with ammo

split beacon
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the Udjat Vanguard are scary

cloud wadi
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If they weren’t conservative with ammo we’d just get the rabbit team

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Downsizing apparently hit rabbits hard

split beacon
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they show up with the best gear, heavy weaponry, specialized ammo, proper coordination as a team, Eye of Udjat tactical vision

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etc.

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they're scary bastards

cloud wadi
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Or else hearhcliff would probably also be carrying five spare mags

split beacon
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in Udjat Outis's story

ebon forge
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oh lmao based asf

split beacon
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man gets mag dumped by like 10-20 Udjat Vanguard mean motherfuckers and is like I GOTTA GET OUTTA HERE

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DIAS SET ME UP DAWG MY ASS IS GRASS

cloud wadi
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Index panic deploys proselytes to help him out even

stoic fjord
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so

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with like

cloud wadi
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Somehow proselyted just all start swarming out of the woodworks to beeline the nursefsther’s location either to terminate him for prescript failure or in some bid to restore the flow

stoic fjord
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a bunch of them? with automatic rifles?

cloud wadi
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Yeah their threat level is probably slightly lower than rabbit team

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Who were scary mofos

stoic fjord
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I assume the LCA Udjat Vanguard are probably some of Limbus's strongest forces

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at the same time

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who the fuck knows what Dias has in stock

split beacon
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man imagine being Rien

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and Dias calls you on the phone

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and goes "cmon in water's fine"

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"I cleared the path for you and everything"

stoic fjord
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lo and behold

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Outis

split beacon
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30 Fucking Magazines of LCA Fracture Rounds coming downrange

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Outis.

cloud wadi
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I feel like

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Outis just really has a talent

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For laughing in the face of fate

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And seizing victory from certain defeat

lean fjord
cloud wadi
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Outis’ paranoia saves her life

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Like

lean fjord
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Outis paranoia checking their gear and swapping it out for functional ones again

cloud wadi
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Who would recheck literally every equipment after an inspection

cloud wadi
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Without anyone catching on that’s what she’s doing

split beacon
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DIAS, YOU DOUBLE CROSSED ME DIAS

stoic fjord
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theory: outis is conniving and secretive but solely in service of making sure her assigned mission goes well

cloud wadi
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And gives Dias enough of a grace to pretend as if nothing happened

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Like Dias knows outis knows Dias tried to fuck her

split beacon
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"Rien, can you read me? It's nothing personal. Blame it on the accident of your Prescripts. Aha, hahahah...!"

stoic fjord
cloud wadi
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“Really, if your prescript didn’t see this coming, could you have relied upon it ever?”

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But yeah it does seem like

stoic fjord
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does odysseyus do any outsmarting of gods in the odyssey

cloud wadi
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Outis just has a habit of cheating death

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She cheats death

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It’s more like

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Poseidon really wants to kill Odysseus

split beacon
cloud wadi
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And keeps failing

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Just survival

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No matter what

split beacon
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more failing to get killed repeatedly despite the gods putting some bullshit in his way

cloud wadi
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Odysseus is merely mortal

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And can’t threaten the gods in any serious way

split beacon
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Odysseus doesn't really succeed so much as he doesn't die

cloud wadi
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But he survives everything they throw at him

split beacon
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it's a trainwreck journey where everything goes wrong and he's the sole survivor

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but like

cloud wadi
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He lives where he should have died so many times

split beacon
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the fact that he doesn't die is kind of mindbending

cloud wadi
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Has outis died in like

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Any of her mirror worlds

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Oh right

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Butler outis

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10000% dead

mystic ermine
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haaahhh

split beacon
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it would be funny and in-keeping if Butler Outis managed to not die because she knew what was coming and said "fuck that, you can't collect on my butler contract's collateral after the wolf kills you all"

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and just skipped town

cloud wadi
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Methinks butler outis has drank too deep from the rivers to be sensible

split beacon
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She might be a little zwoinked

cloud wadi
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Craziest outis

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In a lineup that includes serial nugget murderer outis

split beacon
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serial nugget murderer outis is doing her job just fine

cloud wadi
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I love that you instantly knew which outis I’m talking about from that description lmao

stoic fjord
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she's doing exactly as instructed

ebon forge
stoic fjord
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the manager assigned her the E.G.O, no?

stoic fjord
cloud wadi
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I’m sure she has more color fixers in her payroll

stoic fjord
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fuckin rainbow squad

cloud wadi
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Who’s the orange fixer

ebon forge
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pride flag of fixers

cloud wadi
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Most lustful fixer alive

ebon forge
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mos-

cloud wadi
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Oh no

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Nightmare scenario

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Don becomes the orange fixer

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And she insists on pronouncing orange the way she does

ebon forge
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wait

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wot

stoic fjord
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arr ange

gentle mulch
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Huh

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Outis really doesn't die, does she

vagrant dove
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whoever replaced Argalia will be hired by her trust

atomic steeple
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Played the index rental team. Focused on sinking: got all sinking fusion gifts, plus lucky pouch for poise

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It's very funny when an enemy is kept in panic due to 99 potency

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Huh, game froze?

stoic fjord
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4 pm

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wekly reset happens 4 hours before maintainence

atomic steeple
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Oh, oof for my cheevos

lean fjord
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Ah dang, forgot to do my MD this week

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Oh well

ebon forge
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bah im just gonna get the 69 boxes i need for kiramael then save like 800 boxes for allegory and regret, etc

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i dont want to build tremor i just need to clear walpipi

atomic steeple
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I have enough boxes to get the rodya shards for sanguine desire

vagrant dove
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i am saving my boxes for walpipi and the ryoshu seasonal id

atomic steeple
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I should be able to build up for either madonka or indon

atomic steeple
ebon forge
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bp400 this week

dusty sigil
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From @ badatthings_

split beacon
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lmfaooo

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he'd grow even taller if the blue smoke didn't stunt his growth

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gotta avert the second world war

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so Sinclair can become Lankclair

vagrant dove
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Can't believe he ||grew up to look like edward elric||

neat cedar
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I can

wild mango
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I wonder which sinners are gonna get ring IDs

neat cedar
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would have been even funnier ifnthey kept his height the same

wild mango
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Cos maybe the Callisto/albina duo unseats the kk duo? And then you’d throw ringsang in at that point

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Idk

atomic steeple
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So, what are the best sinking units?

neat cedar
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Kodya >>>>>>> Solemn Yi sang, Wildhunt, maybe spicebrush, LCA outis> butler squad

wild mango
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And a flex slot, probs defaulting to priest Gregor for empowered s1 on manager don?

atomic steeple
worthy haven
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No I do think they do. It def depends on what you want personally

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The index folks arent like super great at maintaining a big stack

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but they have a lot of damage and utility

stoic fjord
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Minus SP KoDya and Butler Outis are probably enough to make any sinking team maintain count

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but it does mean not having Udjat

worthy haven
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I am for example running this. It does hurt to not have a wildhunt in the main team so I am flipflopping a bit

atomic steeple
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Hm. Anyway, guess I should build up outis shards. For butler or udjat
I'd like to build up until ryoshu's seasonal to see what I need for her, but unsure I'd wait this long

split beacon
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The Index IDs are in fact bad at running Sinking

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they have monster damage and great Poise numbers though

worthy haven
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ye

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and we are past needing to maintain big stacks for dmg (if you want to)

split beacon
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Maintaining count only matters for Sinking if you're fishing for a Spicebush nuke and like

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I would not in the big 2026

worthy haven
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ye

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the only other sinking stack fight is if you wanna like 3 turn emptiness in railroad 1 because for that you need the butlers

split beacon
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oh yeah if you need to speedrun erasing Abnos from the game it's real

atomic steeple
neat cedar
neat cedar
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if u have fun amamging the stack for big yi samg explosion that is.fun

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but funny number is the main deal there

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and spice brush does have issues with clashing vs more modern foes

stoic fjord
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realizing that I lowkey kinda got the limbus Sloth thing going on in that every decision I've ever made is largely based on what others want/expect of me or what I think they expect of me

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rather than anything i want or desire

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and I simply allow the metaphorical tides of others pull me wherever they may drift

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because I entirely lack direction

atomic steeple
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I kinda hope bad end ryoshu is burn sinking

stoic fjord
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I have a sloth S3, a sloth S2, and a gloom S1 on god

neat cedar
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butnwho knows

atomic steeple
neat cedar
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The big ego for Heath's was a tremor ego

wild mango
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Ok place your bets who’s getting Callisto/albina

neat cedar
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ye, his numbers are just a bit low

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and i honestly

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cannot guess

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those two are weird and hard to place

atomic steeple
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At the end of the canto, I got strong sinking themes ||specially from rien's speech||
Plus the precedent of dieci with sinking and forgeting

atomic steeple
stoic fjord
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but also I like

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actually opened up about it for once

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and now shit is real awkward after I lowkey admitted I got the hong lu shit going on and genuinely do not care about life as it exists and have little to no attachment internally to the world around me

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it's whatever I have weeklies to collect

split beacon
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the lack of conditional coin power and very little utility beyond his skill 3 means spicebush yi sang is just not cooking on a lot of Sinking teams, he ain't even doing great for actually applying the status

atomic steeple
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Lmao the guy with the highest damage ceiling is not meta

split beacon
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meanwhile you have Solemn Lament Yisang whose damage output is not a theory and is real good AND doesn't clash like complete ass, and presumably Rien Sang to threaten his seat soon

lean fjord
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Spicebush does the funny nuke and very little else

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his S1 in particular is just really bad, yeah

split beacon
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doing the Sinking Deluge nuke is very funny every once in a while

atomic steeple
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No other unit has sinking deluge as a favor to spicebush

stoic fjord
lean fjord
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and I highly doubt we're gonna ever get Deluge again tbh

split beacon
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Deluge can only come back as an EGO and it would have to be on a fucked up conditional

lean fjord
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I feel like on an EGO it would be more abusable tbh

dusty sigil
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I can only imagine Rien sang will have a new sinking gimmick

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Because otherwise he’s immediately dead in the water

lean fjord
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because then you have it more on demand, and not tied to an ID

dusty sigil
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There’s no way limbus gives him the same fate as Dieci Yi Sang

stoic fjord
dusty sigil
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He’s a major canto boss

dusty sigil
split beacon
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I mean, Rien Sang will also be a Soise unit without a doubt

stoic fjord
lean fjord
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I won't say DOA necessarily
but if we do get Rien YS, he will need to be pretty damn good to compete with SL in Sinking yes

stoic fjord
dusty sigil
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They lower their clashes yah but like, you already should be able to clash well just with high SP

split beacon
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with the Prescript gimmick as well, and probably something terrifying when he Unlcks

lean fjord
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mostly just because of how critical butterfly is

dusty sigil
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Which are the majority rn

stoic fjord
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ohhhhh okay like

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when they're at -45

dusty sigil
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No

stoic fjord
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more sinking doesn't do anything

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okay that-

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...huh?

dusty sigil
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Yah no the second they’re at -45 SP sinking does nothing on its own

split beacon
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the point of butterfly sang is that he applies an effect that causes damage when you do Sinking hits

lean fjord
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Butterfly is absolutely necessary to deal damage to bosses with SP

dusty sigil
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It’s only use then is to empower butterflies or be used in deluge

split beacon
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giving Sinking as a team a means of increasing their damage, making the Sinking status deadly as well as dangerous

lean fjord
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but we'll see

dusty sigil
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Yah, and rn the only other source of butterflies is SL Gregor

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Which is a great EGO no doubt

split beacon
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if Rien Sang is to replace SL Sang as a Sinking unit he would need to bring something else to bear, because SL Sang isn't just a good Sinking unit

dusty sigil
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But like, isn’t the best for applying butterflies

split beacon
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he's integral for making Sinking work

dusty sigil
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It only applies like, 4 on the same turn

stoic fjord
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6 trillion year dynasty of Yi Sang carrying sinking damage /hj

dusty sigil
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So Gregor both needs to go first and doesn’t apply as much as SL Yi sang when he does

lean fjord
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how is Index Don for pure Sinking btw?

split beacon
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bad

neat cedar
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too manynattacks i imaginr

lean fjord
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figured

dusty sigil
split beacon
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the Index IDs are Poise first with some Sinking on the side

eternal berry
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index units aren't really super sinkin - yeah

split beacon
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which is why

neat cedar
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ye, ifnwe're going of the boss fight

split beacon
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I think Rien Sang, if we get the ID because I don't know if Nursefathers are a sure thing, will be a Poise-first unit with Sinking application as a side thing who focuses on Unlocking and doing stupid shit with his Caduceus

neat cedar
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he's going to prob do some fucked dmg.tyoe shenanigans

lean fjord
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the damage type shenanigans on a player ID would be funky

neat cedar
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inb4 it's like a more complicated version

stoic fjord
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so Index will moreso be the new BL than the new sinking, probably

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I think

neat cedar
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of hanafuda ish

split beacon
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Index probably supercedes Blade Lineage yes

neat cedar
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does index spec pride?

dusty sigil
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Alternatively, we finally get the new version of sinking, blue poise

split beacon
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yes

dusty sigil
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We’re doing tremor type for poise now

neat cedar
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lol

dusty sigil
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If it brought tremor out from struggling to the strongest status it can do the same for poise

split beacon
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Index is Pride-X-Gloom, with InFaust having Sloth and InDon having Lust

neat cedar
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i'm.jist glad

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they've made do more dmg on crit

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a status

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qe just need an ego that can spread that around

split beacon
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On Crit is a good keyword that Poise deserves

neat cedar
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mhmm

dusty sigil
neat cedar
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mhmmmm

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i wondwr aboutmlust

dusty sigil
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Actually I check his fight again

split beacon
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Rien? Definitely Gluttony or Wrath

neat cedar
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he is not particuoarly driven to spread his ideals outside the prescripts

dusty sigil
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Dude has a lot of gluttony

neat cedar
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gluttony i can see

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ye

dusty sigil
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And no lust

neat cedar
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he's a holr

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a void

split beacon
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I could see a Rien Sang that's Glut-Pride-Gloom

ebon forge
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yeah i see that too

dusty sigil
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Still, I think it’ll probably be wrath just because temu furioso is absolutely his skill 3

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Or skill 3-2

ebon forge
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also i saw something thats like

neat cedar
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we are not getting temu furiso

split beacon
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nah it'll be like Hanafuda Ishmael

ebon forge
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sin spreads are "most outwardly visible" to "the true root of it"

neat cedar
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ain't no way

stoic fjord
dusty sigil
split beacon
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if we were to use Furioso Replica, it would be a Skill 4 we have no control over

neat cedar
ebon forge
worthy haven
ebon forge
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im almost certain it'll be no more than 7 coins

neat cedar
stoic fjord
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what's the most coins one can roll in limbus

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besides hungry don

neat cedar
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just a commonly.heald belief/theory

worthy haven
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soon I can do a poise team without BL lesgo

stoic fjord
ebon forge
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but ngl

stoic fjord
neat cedar
split beacon
dusty sigil
ebon forge
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5+1 is piss without modifiers

neat cedar
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with i think.6

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ohbye

split beacon
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Hungry Hungry Ishmael can flip like 8 coins

neat cedar
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W don just gets 6noff the bat

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i alwats forget

ebon forge
neat cedar
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but rarely ever does

stoic fjord
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not 6

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so same as Leisault

ebon forge
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just showing her skill is all

stoic fjord
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ohhhh ok

split beacon
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oh also gun greg

neat cedar
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yeah multi coin skills are

ebon forge
neat cedar
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usually verynshitty

ebon forge
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she's theoretically infinite iirc

dusty sigil
# ebon forge

I really love the 5 rupture if you flip heads on the final coin

neat cedar
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ifnu don't meet conditionals

dusty sigil
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Season 1 IDs are so funny

ebon forge
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i like it cuz it makes chargerupture work better

atomic steeple
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I'll grant spicebush that: you can set up his nuke in an earlier phase then try to skip harder phases in a boss

neat cedar
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god

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fuckin quick suprression

split beacon
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Solemn Lament can also flip 8 coins

neat cedar
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what a skill of all.time

split beacon
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so I think that's the absolute max

neat cedar
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ye, it's whynthey've swapped to

ebon forge
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anyways hungry don, assuming 1 hp, has a maximum potential of 8 coins outside of md shenangins

neat cedar
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dmg% and clash power conditionals

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a lot more controllable

stoic fjord
worthy haven
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do we count wingbeat gambling here?

neat cedar
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and a lot less likely to get out of control

atomic steeple
neat cedar
stoic fjord
neat cedar
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as fra as like absolute max

worthy haven
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oh overlooked that then mb!

ebon forge
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where at exactly 62 bleed, she has functionally infinite coins

worthy haven
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I want my excision coin aleph ego

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soon trust

ebon forge
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wingbeat is 7 coin

neat cedar
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if we get alephs soon

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i am.going to be

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terrified

ebon forge
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aleph feels somewhat likely ngl

neat cedar
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looks at hoenheim

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you don't say . . .

ebon forge
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yeah the thing is

stoic fjord
ebon forge
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it let a level 45 agent outclash a level... 85???

neat cedar
stoic fjord
neat cedar
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but when they come together . . ..

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or wait

stoic fjord
neat cedar
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punishing bird

stoic fjord
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||Lamp, Diffraction... what's the third?||

neat cedar
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is teth or zayin

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i forget

stoic fjord
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  1. TETH
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  1. where
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where was beak

neat cedar
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no i more meant

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the abnos

stoic fjord
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Ohhhhhhh

neat cedar
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like the fact we have Big bird as an ego suit

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is very concerning

stoic fjord
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I mean I guess but I feel like that doesn't exactly mean an ALEPH is equal to 2 WAWs and a TETH

neat cedar
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that also.wasn't my meaning

stoic fjord
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ah

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ok

neat cedar
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my meaning is "Apoc bird may be on the horizon"

stoic fjord
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whatever's happening

neat cedar
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yyyyyyyeeeeerrrrp

stoic fjord
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we're fried

neat cedar
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so cooked we're burnt

stoic fjord
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is it the biblical plague? is it apocalypse bird?

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Smoke War 2?

neat cedar
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Yes

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all of the above

stoic fjord
neat cedar
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welcome to hell

stoic fjord
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I imagine we'll see a new ALEPH original to Limbus before anything Lob Corp though

ebon forge
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yeah i feel that makes more sense

neat cedar
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agreed

faint pivot
wild mango
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Oh I see

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Good anti powercreep measure

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Well

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Good way to update older stuff

ebon forge
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i wish certain sinclair has ts5 branch

wild mango
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Instead of releasing stuff to replace it

ebon forge
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more worried about even more thread cost tho

stoic fjord
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Why can't it just be set at the "doubled" value

wild mango
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This guide says that priest Gregor is not worth using and idk if that’s wack or not https://youtu.be/PFs9K7WKUJY?si=J53M8eMgiJTVTADT

Make sure to check out Snow • Fall! https://store.steampowered.com/app/3463910/Snow_o_Fall/

Avenir's video on Bloodfeast interactions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mXT0nCZa3I

In this video I go over the Bleed team, an extremely powerful and fun composition in Limbus Company. I mainly focus on the 8 best Identities that you should be usin...

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atomic steeple
lean fjord
faint pivot
lean fjord
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Priest is mainly there to be tanky af, heal a bunch, and be a bloodfeast battery for your other bloodfiends

faint pivot
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And as much as I love my tanks I doubt the sentiment's shared

atomic steeple
stoic fjord
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but idk if people found a better alternative or smth

faint pivot
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Does Hemorrhage consumption make bloodfeast?

lean fjord
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If you can get a stack up fast and maintain it, you don't strictly need him I guess

lean fjord
faint pivot
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Then yes Pregor has uses

lean fjord
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KK Ish creates bloodfeast because it just triggers the Bleed directly

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I should level my bleed team actually

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Haven't used it in a bit

wild mango
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He says that with enough potency generation you don’t need him as a blood feast battery

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Like kk heath

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That’s what he’s saying not me

neat cedar
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It's not a bad train of thought

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I also think thatbhe's just kinda

atomic steeple
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Hemorrhage is good? Thought it was bad?

gentle mulch
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LoR SotC ||Does anyone remember why we're able to fight Prime Red Mist or something||

neat cedar
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using priest greg wrong a little

neat cedar
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thr combo dmg tremor types are there to make hybrid teams work

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and most people compare it it to reverb, which works best in a pure tremor team

atomic steeple
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I meant due to bleed's count issues

cloud wadi
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Roland had better have a unique line to seeing RienSang in battle if we ever see him as a combat unit again

atomic steeple
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Since bleed tremor eats cou t

neat cedar
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again

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it's fine

cloud wadi
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“Why the fuck does this guy look like me?”

neat cedar
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it's about the same as just

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burn alsi.using count

cloud wadi
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At this stage of limbus

neat cedar
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if ur team is already more.bleed.focused

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it' not as good

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but if ur making a hybrid team

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it.does the job

atomic steeple
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Bleed loses count every clash
Burn every turn

cloud wadi
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We have circled back around to “just bring enough firepower + damage bonus riders” instead of “it’s all about the count baby”

neat cedar
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i am.aware

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My pointnis more "it does the job it is meant to do"

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i.e. giving you some extra dmg now

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is it as good as going full force on bleed gaming?

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prob not

atomic steeple
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Losing the potency you built up won't help much the hemorrhage damage

neat cedar
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but it's probably easier to get dmg off it because of how hemmorage scales off both bleed and tremor stacks

atomic steeple
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While scorch gets to worry less about losing burn potency

cloud wadi
neat cedar
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Again, it's fine

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not good, not bad

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just fine

atomic steeple
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Okay

stoic fjord
atomic steeple
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Just wanted to explain why I thought it had issues

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Comoared to other damage tremors

cloud wadi
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Hemorrhage is weaker than scorch id say

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Because bleed suffers from loss of stack more than burn and bleed has a lot of accelerants otherwise

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While burn really did need more acceleration mechanic

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It’s not really that hemorrhage is weaker I guess more that

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If you are bleed you got better alternatives for converting the count to damage

lean fjord
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Bleed doesn't need acceleration as much anyway, since enemies flip a lot of coins

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Compared to Burn which ticks once per turn normally

atomic steeple
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Honestly, didn't know you could even keep bleed stacks in hybrid tremor bleed
Since multiple team members burst

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I just have aweshu, though she barely gives tremor count

cloud wadi
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Next canto will be a bleed canto

stoic fjord
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we don't even know what this season's status will be yet

atomic steeple
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Next canto will be charge or tremor

cosmic gorge
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Five Finger Family Song (gone wrong), the canto

faint pivot
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It's also why ||we only get 4 pages for every book of hers we burn||

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Oh oops you were answered already

faint pivot
neat cedar
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bleed has a lot.of.support

atomic steeple
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Well, sanguine desire must help a lot

neat cedar
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Kurokumo duo, bloodfiend sault and rodiya, then nshu and greg

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and u got one flex position for tremor

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also depends.om.the enemy

atomic steeple
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Hm

lean fjord
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The high amount of unbreakable coins on enemies now has also made things more difficult for bleed

atomic steeple
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Gonna enter saving up mode
Then see what I grab from walpurgis, then keep saving up for whatever bad end ryoshu wants

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There's too much to grab from walpurgis

faint pivot
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You really don't need to grab Everything from Walp

bronze zephyr
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albina ID bleed buff plkz

atomic steeple
faint pivot
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Unless you're going for a Random Bullshit Go team and wanting to make damn sure you win story nodes

faint pivot
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But no pressure

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Walp will come again

atomic steeple
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I'm gonna calculate how much I can grab from walp without dentint my resources much

bronze zephyr
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I grabbed every item from walp even shit i probably wont level like regret fau or phillipclair for the sake of completion dsfnsjdfnds

atomic steeple
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My walp list
Sanguine desire
Sl don yi sang
Madonka maybe

faint pivot
faint pivot
atomic steeple
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Yi sang oops

neat cedar
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i skippwd last walp

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did not really care for eirher of the ids

ebon forge
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I’m going to pull probably, as is usual

split beacon
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Did I miss something, was a Walpurgisnacht announced

wild mango
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eh

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even still im not pressed fror priest gregor since i have night awls gregor

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and i still need to get the kk duo and sangine desire

ebon forge
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Just speculation

atomic steeple
split beacon
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oh yeah

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also the people of J Corp rely on an invisible "entity" which I think we can now safely assert is a God of the City probably

atomic steeple
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Gods
Gods everywhere

wild mango
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ok, what the hell is a god of the city?

split beacon
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Yes

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More seriously: Gods of the City are beings and systems that are not human but are seemingly permitted by the Head as constellations and accumulations of human desire

atomic steeple
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Also, Veils keep being mentioned but we never got a deep look into them

split beacon
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for example, the Loom system that the Index uses in Library of Ruina is a God of the City of sorts, providing for the desire for "direction in life"

main scaffoldBOT
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Finally finished canto 9 😌

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And all we can say is:

atomic steeple
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Kromer tried to become an older sort of god

main scaffoldBOT
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😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

atomic steeple
main scaffoldBOT
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And also that wow we did not like the combat encounters of this canto until, like, the last part of it

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Finally 😌

Pandora(She/her)(aka WaxMask) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) We can finally post albina in doll house

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She's so adorable and unhinged, it's great

stray sleet
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There were some pretty interesting fights in part three. I'm glad they're experimenting

main scaffoldBOT
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And to mention how this sword, this honor, and this glory won't be tarnished

Allie | Fox Knight (she/they) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Priest is mainly there to be tanky af, heal a bunch, and be a bloodfeast battery for your other bloo…

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Yeah, love all of the part 3 fights except for the ||first fight against Shiomi||, for some reason that one was just immensely frustrating

SimulationBard ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) There were some pretty interesting fights in part three. I'm glad they're experimenting

stoic fjord
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I diagnose the doll with a severe Skill Issue

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Unrelated but: ||gods, poor Faust||

split beacon
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it's bad.

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worse than we expected

stray sleet
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|| It's okay Faust, I think you're cool and smart||

main scaffoldBOT
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||Faust: hey can y'all tell me who sabotage-||
||The entire rest of the Gesellschaft: oh my god, look at this fucking IDIOT. This absolute LOSER. This dumbass shouldn't even be here||

atomic steeple
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Yi sang: ||Yet, this one is the most wonderful faust, in my opinion||

main scaffoldBOT
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||And yet our Faust is the most successful of all of them at getting golden boughs 😌||

atomic steeple
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Hey, why does jeong ish have sinking anyway?

main scaffoldBOT
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||Also, it’s nice to know that Rien being a knock off version of Roland is flat out canon||

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Something something gambling?

Pandora(She/her)(aka WaxMask) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Hey, why does jeong ish have sinking anyway?

atomic steeple
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This ish sure likes her job
Guess catching cheaters is fun

One day, I'd like to oversee a Blue Diamond game that takes place way up on the top floor. You know, the Diamond games where only the highest of high-rollers get to participate. Sure, a good payday's nice, but... sometimes, it's not all about the money.
It's just that in this business, there's no better acknowledgment of my career than getting called to oversee a game that only employs the best of the best.

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Ish truly is a gamer

split beacon
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She's very resigned and fatalistic

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not to mention, her job is watching people gamble their hopes and lives away

faint pivot
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Besides being forceful she also fights oppressively

split beacon
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Crushing hopes and accepting reality is her MO

atomic steeple
vagrant dove
split beacon
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Nope. The card's out in the open... there's no forfeiting once the die is cast. No matter how screwed you are.

split beacon
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I know they both have 7 Assoc. IDs but I need Oufi Association Faust to complete the set

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Think about it:

  • it would be thematically perfect for her
  • we'd get a Tremor ID for Faust in the big 2026 which can end the reign of Maost
vagrant dove
split beacon
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also Tremor Decay is kinda stonks again after being dog water for a while

vagrant dove
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Oufi Faust manifesting!!

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More oufi lore

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Since they didn't actually APPEAR

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In canto 6

split beacon
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listen my pitch is simple

gentle mulch
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what's tremor decay do again

split beacon
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It turns Tremor into a debuff, dropping the target's Defense Level by each 4 Tremor Potency

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anyways, my pitch is simple

vagrant dove
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Also Faust really needs a tremor id that isn't Walp ong

split beacon
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Oufi Assoc. South Section 3 - Bailiff Faust

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she's a speed demon whose job is to run after people and serve papers

vagrant dove
atomic steeple
vagrant dove
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Speed 10 id

split beacon
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HYBRIDS

vagrant dove
split beacon
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Tremor hybrid identities make the debuff Tremor flavors less bad because having a debuff Tremor amplitude applied while you cook is way better than vanilla tremor

gentle mulch
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can we get an outis burn id next just make her the thumb nursefather fanservice so people complain less that she doesn't interact with dark flame

split beacon
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you still need Tremor for coin conditionals, and you don't want to immediately convert into the damage amplitude until you're stacked

atomic steeple
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I see

split beacon
gentle mulch
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genuinely if nuggetslayer got a talisman tier rework that didn't nerf her into the ground I'd be happy

stoic fjord
gentle mulch
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i know

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but i can dream

split beacon
gentle mulch
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we could have had deathrite deluge if maost was fixed

split beacon
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this makes Chain and Decay better than they would be otherwise because they do the job of making Tremor a good status effect in the meantime

gentle mulch
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we could have had peak heishouslop

split beacon
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Fracture still sucks

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sorry Fracture

split beacon
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I'm not fucking around

gentle mulch
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just swap out of the problematic tremor types

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just quit

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don't deal with it

split beacon
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you literally just hit the bricks when it's time for damage

vagrant dove
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No wonder Fracture's only on one ego (although tbf so is Everlasting)

split beacon
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look Fracture would be good in a universe where it and Time Moratorium were served by the same team

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which you can contrive a bit with T Outis and the other T Corp units

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but it sucks because the T Corp IDs want to convert into Chain all the time

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or I guess just T Don, huh...

stoic fjord
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every time I play burn I'm tempted to build tremor

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and then I look at tremor and remember why I play burn and not tremor

vagrant dove
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I unfortunately do play tremor

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I like the burst noise

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But it is also a bit of a headache

split beacon
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Tremor makes excellent sounds

cosmic gorge
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I play bremor

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Or semor

split beacon
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my burn team has both Thumblers

cosmic gorge
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The thumblerrrr

stoic fjord
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tremor makes good noises yes

stoic fjord
split beacon
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look

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the Lucio ID...

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the Lucio ID IS REAL!

vagrant dove
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boris id down the line TRUST THE PLAN

cosmic gorge
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Frog eye+tier 4 tremor drink+the bell is how i can sometimes win MDE fights

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I just have to survive turn 1

stoic fjord
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that's how it is with like

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every MDE run without at least a gift or two

stoic fjord
split beacon
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with this treasure I summon

#

EGO DON QUIXOTE

stoic fjord
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Give me freedom
give me fire
give me triple status team or I retire

vagrant dove
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Speaking of wacky predictions

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(other than my boris copium earlier)

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Gregor White Night EGO, trust

stoic fjord
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I'm betting on Nothing There for him

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ID and/or E.G.O

split beacon
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okay Udjat Vanguard is a fucked status effect lmao

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"I have elected to win this clash I should not win"

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"Pray I don't do it more"

vagrant dove
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I love udjat outis

stoic fjord
split beacon
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Don Quixote?

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Procuration: Annihilate this butterfly.

vagrant dove
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I've been having a lot of fun with InDon and Udjat Outis honestly

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The prescripts do know best

split beacon
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o7

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As my God commands.

faint pivot
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Speaking of which

#

Canto 9 spoilers

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...Sinking Poise MD performs better if we just shoot Mariachiclair

split beacon
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did something strange happen

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I just realized I don't have the regular maintenance compensation Lunacy

cosmic gorge
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Not yet maintenance

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24 minutes pa

split beacon
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oh shit I'm playing in the ephemeral inbetween time

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-# u/MichuSkurczybyku
strange how Vespa had no Gluttony skills

ebon forge
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ok idea

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i feel like future tremor ids should be form switchers somehow

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they have their base (perfectly competent)

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and an alternative (about the same power)

split beacon
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So you can modeswitch from Apply Tremor to Apply Amplitude?

ebon forge
#

yes

split beacon
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ideally I would make new Tremor IDs apply their amplitude conversion effect on their defense skill somehow

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or with a resonance gimmick

ebon forge
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yeah then it just becomes mao-2

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i wanted to avoid "defense for boost"

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unless its a counter

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or something fun like nryo

split beacon
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N Ryo is a whole can of worms

ebon forge
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orrrrrr

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crazy idea

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defense skill that changes effects based on the current skill on it

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S1/2? Counter or defense

split beacon
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oh like Shi Faust

ebon forge
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but on an S3, it does something real funky

ebon forge
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if shi faust had a gimmick that was viable

split beacon
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look my opinion is that the ideal simplest Tremor ID mechanic would be a noninterference clause S3 that converts but only if there isn't a flavor already applied

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so you can have your Decay or Fracture or Chain tremor but when it's time to lock in, that gets packed up and you just burst the good tremor flavor more instead

ebon forge
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yeh thats good for me

split beacon
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oh also food for thought

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the Three Beasts of Selva Oscura beat the LCB's fucking brakes off and the contract hadn't been formed yet

bronze zephyr
split beacon
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they weren't nerfed yet

fluid whale
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They were casually walking around and dropping Mang on us though, weren't they?

split beacon
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so that wasn't a lv1 goo goo ga ga LCB Sinner Ryoshu, that was lv75 fuck shit up assassin Ryoshu

ebon forge
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yi sang was level -400 lol

bronze zephyr
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god

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don
uh

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i forget if she's stronger than ryo without sancho mode

fluid whale
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The ranking is Don-Outis-Ryo for 123

split beacon
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but that's taking Don's superpowers into account

fluid whale
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But that was after Hohenheim decided to fuck around and nearly found out

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Yeah

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Lowkey him being passively suicidal probably contributed to that happening if I had to guess

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Like "well if it goes catastrophically wrong, at least I die for science"

ebon forge
fluid whale
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The only potential in it is that his assistants keep saying he should live instead

ebon forge
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0 bitches
0 will to live
3 guys willing to die for him /j

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2 or 3 i cant remember

fluid whale
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2 strictly speaking

worthy haven
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I do think its a hilarious that the more we learn about the stronger Sinners the more it is kinda revealed just how fricking weak Yi sang was

ebon forge
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level -400-ass sinner

fluid whale
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Alyssa is not male and was just trying to kill the Ring bastards, and Heathcliff was mostly echoing his traumas back to him to get through the Monolith distortion

ebon forge
fluid whale
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Well, I can't argue with that

atomic steeple
wild mango
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Do we know what target extraction it’s gonna be?

stoic fjord
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nnnnnnnnuh uh

atomic steeple
wild mango
#

Ok

main scaffoldBOT
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Do you think she calls Aeng-Du and Kim by other nicknames and only calls Vespa "junior?"

Lunatic Blue ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) -# u/MichuSkurczybyku
strange how Vespa had no Gluttony skills 📎

split beacon
main scaffoldBOT
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That said, I think she was also 100% genuine about thinking that "The Yellow Harpoon" was a good color name

ebon forge
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its an ass name imo

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He feels a lot more like a Wasp or Hornet tbh

stoic fjord
gentle mulch
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The Yellow Junior

stoic fjord
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and like

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the harpoon works as a stinger analog too!

ebon forge
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exactly!

stoic fjord
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it was right there!

main scaffoldBOT
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It is one of the worst possible names tbh

stoic fjord
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if we wanna go for a pun, The Yellow Jacket works nicely

ebon forge
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ok tbh Erza shouldve called him The Yellow Countach

atomic steeple
stoic fjord
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his jacket's got yellow on it alright

atomic steeple
#

Btw, I love that ezra's panic references Distortion Detective

stoic fjord
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I'm not much better at this than Ezra but I am still better at it

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just like

atomic steeple
stoic fjord
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the Yellow Harpoon is the color fixer name with the second least aura

ebon forge
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tbh it's why for don i really want her to be named something like "The Golden Dream" or something like that

stoic fjord
ebon forge
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"Oro Sueno" would go hard

stoic fjord
ebon forge
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literally just golden dream in spanish

atomic steeple
#

Sueno d'oro?

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No wait, that seems Italian

stoic fjord
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"El Sueño Dorado" is what I'm getting from translate

atomic steeple
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Oh damn

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Forgot "el dorado" lmao

ebon forge
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yeah i was basing off Oro Blanco

cloud wadi
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at this rate the Golden Bat will be an actual color

stoic fjord
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ahhhh ok

stoic fjord
atomic steeple
ebon forge
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which is like, a fruit

cloud wadi
#

no

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as in like

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the flying bat

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batman

ebon forge
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so i thought blanco came first

cloud wadi
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Golden Bat

stoic fjord
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ok well I don't care I want Lulu color fixer

atomic steeple
#

Portuguese and Spanish may place adjectives first, but often place it after words

split beacon
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fucking, am I the only one

stoic fjord
#

batman isn't even real

split beacon
#

ahem

cloud wadi
split beacon
#

PARANOIA AGENT MENTIONED

stoic fjord
cloud wadi
#

he used to be a pretty big japanese manga character

stoic fjord
#

oh huh not the DC guy

entirely different

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looks cool

atomic steeple
#

Golden dream in Portuguese is "Sonho Dourado"

worthy haven
stoic fjord
#

I fw the skull face

split beacon
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he's got a golden bat...

atomic steeple
stoic fjord
ebon forge
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what would ryoshu be?

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Crimson Memory?

#

idfk

stoic fjord
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I cannot think of one for Rodion

#

which is

#

fitting

atomic steeple
ebon forge
#

Crimson Butterfly works really well

split beacon
#

you know what I mean?

stoic fjord
#

true

split beacon
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like in the quest to become a Color she'd end up Director of the Hana Association because that's how she is

stoic fjord
#

I agree

stoic fjord
worthy haven
ebon forge
#

that sounds like a horror movie protag

stoic fjord
split beacon
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nah she'd be like "no guys it's great..." and put her Color costume away

worthy haven
#

I believe in her

ebon forge
#

meursault gets "The Grey Coat"

worthy haven
#

Rodion is becoming fast my favourite sinner

atomic steeple
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Gonna be honest, just said crimson butterfly as a reference

split beacon
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get back in her Hana Association director's jacket, casually wearing like seven bazillion Ahn of gear on her at all times

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"listen guys as the Director of the Association-"
"YOU CAN'T IT'S BAD BRANDING"

ebon forge
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ooh wait don getting nicknamed Naranja as a color would be so fucking fitting

stoic fjord
#

god imagining Rodion in the Hana uniform

worthy haven
ebon forge
#

and Yi Sang is like, The Yellow Pillow

#

/j

#

sleepy-ass bum

stoic fjord
split beacon
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you gotta understand, Rodion would be blasting motherfuckers with True Trigram Formation

#

her Shin: unbreakable

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her Mang: five rings

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no color because you CAN'T

#

YOU HAVE A JOB

stoic fjord
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I like the idea of Rodion as genuinely just fucking GOATed

worthy haven
stoic fjord
#

not in any particularly special or unique way, she's just the GOAT

split beacon
#

that's kind of the trend for her happy IDs is the funny thing

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and some of her sad ones

#

she's outstandingly fucking hench but is profoundly normal at whatever she does

stoic fjord
#

exceptionally competent in the most normal way possible

tiny cave
#

Distorted Ezra ID for Rodion

stoic fjord
split beacon
#

her special talent is that she conventionally beats the fuck out of you

#

yeah, Hana Director, the Fixer

stoic fjord
#

not even shin or mang

#

no E.G.O

#

no nothing

worthy haven
#

well I think Rodion has a legit EGO angle

split beacon
#

nah nah she'd have shinmang because that's normal now for high tier City combatants and she'd be solid at it

stoic fjord
#

ok true true

stoic fjord
stoic fjord
worthy haven
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Like accepting her position as normal while being envious and deeply hurt about it. Could maybe be like a mimicry esque ego where she yoinks the things that make others special or "pulls" others down to being "normal" like her

stoic fjord
#

at the same time it's actually not been as common as I immediately think

split beacon
#

we'll see it less until it's time for more bigwig tough bastard fights

stoic fjord
#

I imagine we'll see very little of it when we face Corps

worthy haven
#

Rip to all the homies wo wanted to go to Q. It is indeed not the time yet

split beacon
#

anyways the other reason Hana Director / Hana Section 1 is fitting for Rodion as her "ultimate" ID is that she would see the logic that the City and its systems are bad, but killing Impurities and Stars that have gone too far helps the little guy on the street

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60,000 people are dead because of a Distortion? Forward march, we're going in and caving the fucker's skull in

fluid whale
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cause I know the Red Gaze is a thing in Korean, homophonous for "honored poet"

stoic fjord
split beacon
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oh easy

stoic fjord
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like, what gimmicks, what statuses, etc.

split beacon
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Hana For All and All For Hana, she buffs the entire team

stoic fjord
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mhm, makes sense

worthy haven
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she gets a cool nanomachine coat like Absolute Superman

lean fjord
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All For Hana was a very fun passive

split beacon
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and when you amass all the buffs from her passive or whatever, her Skill 3 becomes True Trigram Formation: Mang of Eternal Longing and she Rodions all over them

stoic fjord
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I think it'd be fitting for her animations to be like

cool, but also fairly basic/simple in their fundamentals

split beacon
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well we know what the Hana Association's style is

stoic fjord
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true

split beacon
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they crush you with simple, extremely effective and direct attacks using their nanomachine spears to coat their bodies as well as to project their physical attacks forward

lean fjord
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The Hana can't not be cool because transforming nanite weapons are just really cool

stoic fjord
worthy haven
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I am not like the hugest fan of the literal SK flag trigrams being on them

split beacon
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no funny business, on and off the court straight fundamentals

stoic fjord
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ok fuck now i really want Hana Rodion and hope mr director KJH has the same future plans

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to some extent

worthy haven
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man I forget how many zwei ids we already have and how meh I feel about them all other then zwei ish

stoic fjord
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I kinda fw zweigor just because I think he looks cool

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but yeah a lot of them are underwhelming

split beacon
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the non-knights zwei lacked visual and mechanical identities

lean fjord
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Zwei Gregor is decent at least

worthy haven
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ye I want more like higher end zwei

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but tbf we havent really dove into any assoc other then liu via ids

lean fjord
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Unfortunately they were made before good ID design was invented 😔

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More Seven could also be neat

stoic fjord
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six sevennnnn

split beacon
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get her ass

worthy haven
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More assoc stuff also in story would be dope

worthy haven
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we only really had the beginning of canto 7 for it (unless i am forgetting something)

cloud wadi
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it's a lame name even in korean

fluid whale
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honestly? excellent stuff then by the EN translators

split beacon
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see right now I'm slurping up the delicious Finger Syndicates food

worthy haven
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tru tru

stoic fjord
lean fjord
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I think Yellow Harpoon is solidly Fine™ as a name tbh

cloud wadi
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it literally means Yellow Harpoon even in korean

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if anything it sounds worse

stoic fjord
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like

worthy haven
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I am curious why harpoon and not stinger cmon ezra!

cloud wadi
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because he's got a harpoon

lean fjord
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Yeah it would have been better if it was like, the Yellow Stinger or something

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But it's okay

split beacon
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but as long as we never go full Heishou again I'm down to explore whatever

fluid whale
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Exactly, it is so easy to make a good color name out of Vespa with Yellow

split beacon
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sorry but I've been brought by degrees to wield the Devil's sword, Canto 9 changed my mind

fluid whale
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but Ezra named it

split beacon
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I do not like when we go all one faction

worthy haven
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I am still fine with the heishou thing altough some indigo guard units would have been cool for sure

stoic fjord
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The Black Silence? Aura.
The Blue Reverberation? Aura.
The Red Mist? Aura.
The Red Gaze? Aura.
The Red Sack? Worse than the Yellow Harpoon.
The Indigo Elder? Aura.
The Chartreuse Maiden? ehhhh it's pretty good I guess but it's not amazing
The Vermillion Cross? Aura.

worthy haven
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vermillion cross i do think goes hard

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||Green Damnation is also aura||

stoic fjord
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actually yeah I rescind my prior statement with further consideration

stoic fjord
fluid whale
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bad clickbait shorts title: Did Project Moon get away with breaking the GENEVA CONVENTIONS?!
||because of the strict rules about using the Red Cross or its symbolism||

stoic fjord
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vermillion isn't red so we're fine

fluid whale
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I have bad news Juniper

worthy haven
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def sucked at the moment but I do feel we got the most interesting lore out of them since I do think the heishous and how they work were the most interesting thing about h corp, that said we kinda learned nothing rly about their singularity which we could have via some noble ids for sure

fluid whale
ebon forge
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so

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there's apparently

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a Kabbalah for dummies

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i was looking for quotes to use lmao

worthy haven
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where is my magenta colour fixer smh

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I also take bordeaux

stoic fjord
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trust

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it's called vermillion

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not red

faint pivot
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Woops missed that you got replied to

faint pivot
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We could do with more distortions though

worthy haven
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hmm tbf last canto we did also only fight like mega elites

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and the manekins and abnos

stoic fjord
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yeah

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in this one we had like

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what