Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[stoic fjord]

but also I think it's two separate things

[faint pivot]

Like I thought what happened to the Whale was also what happened to Outis

and Ryo

[keen palm]

It's based off the same principle

[faint pivot]

Both lost overall potency in the form of raw strength alongside skills and techniques

[keen palm]

The Boughs have a concept of fairplay

[faint pivot]

I'm guessing it affects augments too since Greg's arm changed a bit post-contract, it notably doesn't sucker punch (from Greg's PoV) people anymore

[eternal berry]

These were also the things generating the Qliphoth Deterrence, remember. What I mean is I don't think that foes are lowered down with the Sinners factoring into it, being jabbed with one just inherently weakens the subject

Except maybe with Distortions. They might do weird things to those

[dusty sigil]

Except when it strengthens them like with Kromer

After all, sometimes they need a boost to reach our level

[eternal berry]

Jia Mu seemingly got buffed by them too

[dusty sigil]

Not the other way around

[faint pivot]

I remember a line in canto 5 mentioning the sinner's factoring into it, lemme check

[vagrant dove]

Attuning properly- or partially- to the bough does seem to have benefits

[keen palm]

The Checkup intervallo explicitly is that Boughs just buff or nerf depending on the narrative required

[stoic fjord]

having one rammed through your chest does not

[stoic fjord]

I forgor

[eternal berry]

Dante's notes does have them theorize that the Boughs can "cause or amplify" Distortions, so that might be unique to them

[keen palm]

It's actual plot powers

[eternal berry]

But that's also their in-universe theorizing, so it's not super conclusive

[dusty sigil]

I do really like how the light kinda lets PM justifies their stories fitting the conventions of stories lol

[keen palm]

Because the Boughs are the embodiment of Stories

[dusty sigil]

The light seems to run on narrative pathos more then anything

So it bends the people who utilize it into fulfilling that narrative

[stoic fjord]

me after Carmen fucking railroads the campaign again

[dusty sigil]

The one negative the sephirot never say about Carmen is how she was a kinda shitty GM

[vagrant dove]

Ayin was prob even worse

[dusty sigil]

Ayin was only ever able to follow modules

He couldn’t homebrew a campaign to save his life

[vagrant dove]

Your characters will go through the torment nexus

[cloud wadi]

Yea it also confirms one thing that I kinda suspected

The one ||under contract is the Ungzeifer, not Gregor||

[stoic fjord]

given the fact that the contract made the bug arm stop freaking the fuck out

...

yeah.

I can believe that

[faint pivot]

I feel like

||Greg's transformation is less cohabitation like with a System and more like an override, like what's done to a a Lancer Flash Clone or Pallidification||

[eternal berry]

I don't think we can conclusively say that with Kromer? Unless there's a line somewhere that verifies it. So far the only opponent that has been explicitly empowered by a Golden Bough was Jia Mu

And she's got a passive called Golden Bough Assimilation

[faint pivot]

Wait I misused words, deleting that 2nd message

[cloud wadi]

I will become the golden bough

[eternal berry]

Subtitled Malattunement in phase 1 and Distortion in phase 2

[faint pivot]

Is turning into a Distortion not empowering?

[dusty sigil]

I mean she became a giant lust peccatula and kicked our asses

[faint pivot]

Not level in this case

[dusty sigil]

Something she could plainly not do normally

[faint pivot]

Her buff was getting bigg

[dusty sigil]

I think it’s just a case of there was one of her and 12 of the sinners

The golden bough inherently needs to empower the antagonist more then it needs to weaken them because well, they’re fighting all the sinners at once

They’re outnumbered

If they were equal to the sinners they’d lose anyway

[faint pivot]

I'm guessing Jia Mu got a level buff because she's turning to dust

Meanwhile Kromer apparently has a royal pedigree and is an active fighter

[eternal berry]

yeah, but Jia Mu became a Distortion and was then further strengthened by having a Golden Bough jabbed in her

[keen palm]

Kromer was canonically kicking the Sinner's asses

before the distortion

[faint pivot]

Yeah she did not need the help lmao

[eternal berry]

Kromer just Distorted thanks to resonating with it, and the Golden Boughs aren't the only thing that can cause that

creating Distortions, that is

[tired canyon]

Itd weird how her distortion is

So much like a pecatulla

[faint pivot]

Yeah but what else was present

[cloud wadi]

Kromer’s|| family being important in n corp is pretty interesting||

She really was like a corpo royalty

[faint pivot]

Her ideals weren't broken at the time, if anything they were bolstered

[keen palm]

I mean she was an executive by the time she was in high school

[eternal berry]

I mean that I highly doubt Kromer's Distortion can be characterized as being evidence of the Golden Boughs' "arbitration" effect

[dusty sigil]

Kromer is a nepo baby /pol chud

[cloud wadi]

Donald Trump jr of n corp

[unique bane]

dongrang's was too
i wonder why that happened

[faint pivot]

Hm yeah she clearly didn't need it

Unlike ms. dry fossil

[cloud wadi]

I don’t really understand the whole anti prosthetic crusade though

[dusty sigil]

Also man, I really wanna know ||what Heinrich Kromer is like, since besides being based off the most misogynistic man in history, he also apparently didn’t even care much his daughter died||

[tired canyon]

How I imagine every limbus company character would do on a chess match

faust:guaranteed win. she is completely relentless,both in gameplay and in gameplan. she doesnt take more than 2 seconds to make any move,and is so agressive that it almost feels like she has an active disdain towards the pieces. she doesnt actually say anything during the match,but her constant sighs and staring can tell that whatever you did has disapointed her.

yi sang:another guaranteed win.the polar opposite of faust. he is willing to play the same game for a week,and will grind you down with no actual holes in that defense. every single piece that you take from him got him looking like he lost a newborn son,and he is NOT silent. although most of the time,he is talking AT you rather than with you.

vergilius:yet another guaranteed win. you can tell that he is not actually trying. whatever you do,he is exactly just slightly better than you. like faust,he is completely and utterly unenthused,but he doesn't seem to have the same level of distaste for your play.

outis:this is annoying. every move you make comes with a heaping tablespoon of condescending praise about how genius you are,to the point where it starts to bother you. she will act like she is struggling beyond struggle,but if you pay attention,you can see that while she is scratching her head and making audible "hmm" noises,she has been staring at the same piece that she decided to move 2 minutes ago to make it seem like this was a hard decision.

meursault:this is one of the chess games of all time. there is nothing else to say,it happened.

sinclair:he is ALMOST great.even when playing against him, its frustrating to see him be genuinely always at the precipice of doing something great,but always held back from a fear of comittal. sometimes though,something just clicks and half of your board is gone by the time you realize.

Idk I wrote this in like 10 minutes and got bored midway through

[cloud wadi]

Does N corp have that much sway that they can get significant portion of the city to buy in their silly nonsense

[faint pivot]

Of N Corp or the notion as a whole

[dusty sigil]

My best guess rn is that they just target backstreets with any corps they don’t have an agreement with

Like K Corp lets them run amok because that gives them more footage for the eye

[faint pivot]

I'm guessing they're keying off of the sentiments behind the person-AI ban

[dusty sigil]

But for any other Corp they don’t have a similar agreement with, targeting nest citizens like that is a good way to start another wing war

So they must just stick to the backstreets

[vagrant dove]

In the case of Calw it was so K-Corp could get their clips, elsewhere it's prob targeting backstreets reaidents yeah

[dusty sigil]

Peak

[cloud wadi]

I understand that distortion phenomenon caused anti prosthetic sentiment to rise (somehow)

[tired canyon]

maybe the anti prosthetic feeling is part of the city,just

not as extreme as n corp does it

[dusty sigil]

It did make people more emotionally honest somehow

[vagrant dove]

Also N-Corp deals in canned experiences, and seems to believe that prosthetics dilute the human experience- see the Inquisitors believing that the emotions of their victims are faked, for example.

[dusty sigil]

Also there is the possibility that like, this will be another wing war

Like n Corp is just gonna start one over this

[cloud wadi]

Imagine creating racism just to push more movie sales

[tired canyon]

to be fair,out of the top of my head i cant remember anyone that was

a very big user of proesthetics that wasnt either a freak or an asshole

[cloud wadi]

Okay yeah that part is realistic

But still

[dusty sigil]

Like apparently this is the biggest prosthetic purge in all of the city’s history

And Hermann clearly wants a wing war to start

[faint pivot]

Vergilius

[keen palm]

N Corp might just be able to legally kill a bunch of people

[cloud wadi]

That would make AI war look like CHILDS PLAY

[dusty sigil]

So, put 2 and 2 together this may just be N Corp starting a wing war

[faint pivot]

How big was this, even

[cloud wadi]

No idea

But sentient machines notably used to be allowed in the city

Until they weren’t

[keen palm]

Presumably bad if the Head made the anti AI rule

[tired canyon]

big enough that it became one of the very few comfirmed taboos for the head

[faint pivot]

Yeah it's bad it's war but like

[atomic steeple]

You know, dante failed this canto
Except with ish, dante doesn't really pull back sinners from doing things, and jia qiu warned them about ryoshu's path
||Ryoshu may have been doing all for araya, but she was doing the asura path by mostly not caring nor connecting to others except the sinners, thus she didn't catch that pinky nf was araya dropping hints.
Dante was rather overwhelmed this canto, granted, but they didn't really question the situation nor try to calm ryoshu||

[faint pivot]

In comparison I mean

...ok we only know of the Smoke War, fuck

[tired canyon]

"know" is

a stretch

we know marginally molre about it than we do the ai war

[lean fjord]

when they said ||"the younger Kromer|| I assumed that they were siblings

[cloud wadi]

We still barely know anything about the smoke war

[faint pivot]

In Dante's defense ||how can you calm a mother who seemingly lost her child forever?||

[faint pivot]

At least we know it involved around 3 Wings, that's a start

[cloud wadi]

Involved at least three wings

Actually we know a few more

[stoic fjord]

Canto 9 spoilers

[cloud wadi]

L, G, I, R, T, and V corp was somehow involved methinks

[tired canyon]

ok so

Lets consolidate what we know about the smoke war

it was caused by Ayin

it covered the city in smoke

it was over energy production

g corp used bug human hybrids as weapons

it was big enough that level 1/color fixers were commonly used as footsoldiers

[vagrant dove]

It seems to be almost a religious thing with N Corp in particular, hence the references to heresy

[cloud wadi]

T corp made bank by selling time weapons to both sides I think

[faint pivot]

R corp is mercs so that tracks

What's I?

And V

[dusty sigil]

T Corp, professional fence sitters

[cloud wadi]

I corp hired Roland and other fixers

[lean fjord]

IIRC the source of the smoke was the singularity of old L Corp

[tired canyon]

i am pretty sure in some level ayin orchestrated the smoke war

to overtake L corp's position

[lean fjord]

oh no that's explicitly the case, yeah

[dusty sigil]

He did yah

[keen palm]

It was Ayin and some other guyss

Dias and another guy

[dusty sigil]

Him, Hokma and Dias

[cloud wadi]

Huh…

[dusty sigil]

Or was he Benjamin then?

[keen palm]

Hokma balls

[vagrant dove]

Yeah it was Ayin and Benjamin/Hokma+ Dias, who B. reached out too

[cloud wadi]

I just noticed an odd line in leviathan

V corp apparently is led by a group called the Elders

And Vergil lived there

And he has some unknown connection with a bloodfiend

Is V corp controlled by bloodfiends…?

[tired canyon]

we dont know jack about i corp except

it has to do with music

and the pianist anhilated it

[keen palm]

Ithaca Corp

calling it now

[tired canyon]

is that the place

with the bloodfiend hotel

that moses saw

[cloud wadi]

Ah wait no it wasn’t v corp that was involved

According to Outis uptie F corp was somehow involved

[tired canyon]

F corp

produces the fairies

so they are already scary

...do we even know

what fairies look like

[cloud wadi]

Sorta

It usually seems integrated into a body or worn as an accessory

Hanafudamael notably has fairies on her person

[cosmic gorge]

Captain Hook

[vagrant dove]

Benjamin seems to have done most of the negotiating, since Moses remembers him being the one to approach Dias

[eternal berry]

more or less no, though the commercially available stuff is at the very least like a physical thing you carry around and deploy

[neat cedar]

man

the fan art

[tired canyon]

Right

[neat cedar]

gas been so fuckin fire

and heart wrenchinf

[tired canyon]

arbiters are special and they get their singularities

somehow

fused with their being

conceptually

[lean fjord]

I wonder if regular Fairies can also do the weird conceptual shit Binah does with them

like unlocking people's memories

[neat cedar]

||See, i don't full agrre because i think that morr than any other canto . . . i think ryoshu needed this crashout||

[tired canyon]

from what we saw,probably

but it would likely be something only

jia mu and alfonso could afford from the people we saw

[atomic steeple]

Meant before ||ryoshu stabbed araya||

[eternal berry]

Moses does ominously think that

Sometimes, Singularities feel much more like monsters than the half-baked creatures born from the Distortion.
After using a Fairy, so... uh... yeah. Read into that whatever you want I suppose

[neat cedar]

||It wasn't really something that dante, with his barely a year of life, could rrally.weigh in on or help her with||

[eternal berry]

But yeah, we never get exact details on what a Fairy looks like

[atomic steeple]

||She didn't need to stab araya in a rage only to realize her mistake later||

[neat cedar]

||She didn't but also there was no way for dante to realize that was who that was||

[atomic steeple]

If fairy festival is any indication about what's up with fairies

[neat cedar]

||Like, while I wish it could have gome a different way Ryoshu was so wrapped up innher trauma and her need for vengeanve and I don't think dante really had the framework or the skills to really undo that in the best of circumstances||

[atomic steeple]

hm, true

[cosmic gorge]

Dant ||assigned therapist by the company with no credentials and no hazard pay||

[neat cedar]

||But while they lacked the ability tomstop her, they did provide the needed support||

||Amd helped the one person who.could reach her pull her back||

[tired canyon]

these are

the only representation of fairies being used we have

[neat cedar]

||Same as whatnhappened.with Heath||

[cosmic gorge]

||local amnesiac forcibly hired to manage the trauma of twelve unwell murderers, paid in exposure and chronic unbearable pain||

[vagrant dove]

||didn't even get the sick drip in the deal||

||since they were wearing that before the bus showed up. Fucked up!||

[neat cedar]

||He he allowed what had never been said before to finally be spoken, and for a heart to heart to happen that settled both people's worries to some level of ease||

||Likr.compared to.the early.cantos.where he was hapless and floundering, i think here you could see Dante was takimg a very deliberate step back from.ryoshu||

[tired canyon]

||also i am STILL NOT OK

WITH THE FACT THAT RYOSHU CAN BE WITH ARAYA ONLY IN THE TIME BETWEEN DEATH AND REWINDING

THIS IS EVIL||

[neat cedar]

||nit out of a lack of vare but because Ryoshu didn't need someone to.try and control.her emotions, but a friend to.help pull.her back frommthe brink.||

[neat cedar]

:^)

||S is for Sayonara||

[vagrant dove]

Also to be fair, Dante was also coming off the back of uh

||
The Matthias and Kira fight
The Valencina and Lucio fight
The Callisto and Albina fight
The Gregor fight-||

I don't think that that would have helped their perfomance, that's a pretty heavy workload

[neat cedar]

yeah no Dantenhandling like

3 nuclear bombs worth

of huge reveals

at once

is crazy

[tired canyon]

||<my fucking clockhandle is gonna fall off>

<help>||

[split beacon]

two of those aren't even Fairy

they're Line

[neat cedar]

like considering how we felt

consider how fucking Dante felt

[split beacon]

but also there are some more depictions of weaponized Fairy hold on I'll grab em

[neat cedar]

they had to see all that shit happening at the same.time

[stoic fjord]

they

[neat cedar]

right

suddenly one day, i'll stop messingnthat one up

[tired canyon]

||it would be legitmately less upsetting if she was just gone

this just hurts||

[neat cedar]

i think someone put it best

Canto 8 made people.hope for happy endings

[split beacon]

hold on I'm looking for the goddamned Fairy, Heed My Command sprite

[neat cedar]

canto 9 reminds you this is a project moon storu

[tired canyon]

this is the biggest total loss we had since canto 1

[keen palm]

We got the boughs it's fiiiiiiiine

[vagrant dove]

They're also ||switching back and forth between these, judging by how the story nodes are laid out,|| so I can't imagine that helped

[split beacon]

that's Fairy in use in a less degraded state

[neat cedar]

by tfh_arts

insane fuckin work

||https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_BkT0-WEAAJMxY?format=jpg&name=large ||
art by makimakipoipoi

[neat cedar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_Buh6gXQAETvIV?format=jpg&name=large

infuckin sane

[cosmic gorge]

Bumblucio????

[neat cedar]

What do you mean mattias has the same VA as marton

[stoic fjord]

LUCIO AND THAT FAT RICH GUY HAVE THE SAME VA???

[neat cedar]

yerp

[cloud wadi]

Alyssa and Sora too yeah

[vagrant dove]

Valencina's va was the KR voice for mabel in gravity falls

[neat cedar]

pfffft

[split beacon]

starting to think the House of Spiders doesn't exist in normal time

[vagrant dove]

It being acausal would make a lot of sense

[neat cedar]

look

i cannot

[split beacon]

Ryoshu is 27, Gregor's 35ish and Roland is about the same age as Gregor surprisingly (33 at the start of Library of Ruina)

[neat cedar]

even begin

to try and think about thta

[split beacon]

Valencina, Gregor, and Roland are all Smoke War veterans and Valencina was there in person when Ryoshu was born at the House of Spiders having already been drummed out of her position as Sottocapo

[stoic fjord]

don't do this to me right now man

[cloud wadi]

Time adventure

[split beacon]

now, the Smoke War ended a decade ago (nearly 12 years now), and in those ten years immediately after the Smoke War, Lobotomy Corporation happened, followed by Library of Ruina almost immediately after

so anyone who fought in the Smoke War at absolute maximum did so 12 years ago

so if Roland and Gregor showed up late to the Smoke War and only fought in the concluding battles they would've done so at about 23

[eternal berry]

I imagine time might be a little loose inside the Spider's House, but it's funnier to imagine that Valencina fought in the Smoke War, made it to Sottocapo for all of three days, got herself kicked out of Famiglia Bognatelli, and dumped into the Spiders' House really early into the war

[split beacon]

yeah I guess the answer is that the Smoke War lasted a considerable length of time, during which Valencina fought, distinguished herself, ascended to Sottocapo, and then immediately shamed herself and got drummed out all with like ten years left in the war for Roland and Gregor to still show up and fight in

[eternal berry]

That or mass use of T Corp's Singularity during the war canonically means its timespan is fucked

Maybe all of these factors

[split beacon]

this also makes Valencina like 50

[cloud wadi]

T corp singularity might actually help explain it

[split beacon]

something I think we can all agree is a good thing

[cloud wadi]

T Corp decisive weapons irreparably fucking up the timeline

[split beacon]

A decisive weapon of war from T Corp. would be FUCKED

[neat cedar]

smoke war upscale

[split beacon]

forget the nightmares of what a L5 T Auditor can do, they probably have stuff stored in the back so nightmarish that speaking their names aloud strips paint off the walls in case they have to go to war again

[neat cedar]

like it fucking needed it

[stoic fjord]

Hubert after creating a funny little device to snap the timeline into pieces over his knee

[neat cedar]

but yeah

i do like this ca to just serving as a reminder that

Light-based shit

liek abnos

[split beacon]

it's not everything

[neat cedar]

is not evm close to the strongest or scariest shit

[split beacon]

the light is just another color the city is dyed in

[neat cedar]

The city is just fucked

[split beacon]

this Smoke War is fucked man

[cloud wadi]

Everyone laughed at G corp singularity for being lame

Nobody’s laughing now

They could legit create eldritch horror in the shell of a man

[vagrant dove]

Just saw some t corp munition explode and now the zipcode over there is stuck a whole year in the future

[split beacon]

hey I wonder if we're ever gonna hear about New G Corp (just G Corp really) and how they came to power

they do Gravity tech right

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[neat cedar]

real

[split beacon]

hmm

[cloud wadi]

Gravity manipulation orbs have been brought up multiple times

[vagrant dove]

I'd assume new* G Corp might have been aligned with the anti L-corp coalition

[split beacon]

so we know rising corps definitely have to fight for their spot in the war

[vagrant dove]

Some hopefuls who bandwagoned on

[neat cedar]

nah

old G corp.was with old L corp

[vagrant dove]

I mixed up old and new

[split beacon]

old G Corp was with old L Corp

[vagrant dove]

Tired

[neat cedar]

gotcha

[lean fjord]

I wonder how the hell they still ended up losing with weapons of that caliber

[vagrant dove]

I meant new G Corp

[neat cedar]

it is confusing

since we.lack the like

actual.name

for either

[split beacon]

bugs and smoke fought lobotomy and gravity

[cloud wadi]

They were fighting R corp haha

[neat cedar]

^

[cloud wadi]

And the Thumb for some reason

[neat cedar]

Quite literally

[split beacon]

R Corp, with new L Corp's power supply

[lean fjord]

Even if we assume the Emperor is significantly stronger than the other G Corp weapons, the implied forces on the other side are terrifying then

[neat cedar]

I mean R corp is

[split beacon]

they could just serve up a steaming hot slice of Rabbits whenever they wanted

[vagrant dove]

they had R Corp, parts of at least one Finger, whatever A and B brought to the party, K Corp's medical tech and the Udjat, among other things, lined up against them

[split beacon]

back in the day

[neat cedar]

a fuckin army of cloned super soldiers

[cloud wadi]

It seems like anti old L corp coalition had like

[neat cedar]

like

the rabbits

are terrifying

[cloud wadi]

Pretty unusually high concentration of ranged combatants

[vagrant dove]

+Dias' endless pit of wealth

[neat cedar]

and that is only one contingent

of r corps forces

[cloud wadi]

Presumably because it’s a bad idea to fight in the smoke in melee

[lean fjord]

It's possible R Corp just kept drowning the field in bodies yeah

[neat cedar]

and a war scenario is what the r corp is best at

because then u din't need to worry about then7 day time limit

[cloud wadi]

Prevalence of ranged weapons in the smoke war is even commented on by Greg

If I remember

[split beacon]

Reindeer, Rabbits, Gravity Corp, the Udjat, and we know Lobotomy Corp has some background in arms and munitions manufacturing

[neat cedar]

because ur firces can die in droves

[cloud wadi]

He talks about how they had to dig out trenches

Because the nature of the forces they were fighting meant that they would be mowed down in open field

Or anywhere with open sight lines

[split beacon]

yeah it became a trench warfare campaign because they had insane perfect-aim twitch reflex super soldiers

any open sight line is death if you're up against Rabbits

[mystic ermine]

Outis.

[split beacon]

you know she had to do it to em

[cloud wadi]

Dias also probably hired the Thumb specifically for their guns

So that they could shoot the g corp soldiers out of the air

[split beacon]

look in fairness

old G Corp specialized in making dudes that run you down and fly through the air

suppressing fire is a necessity

[cloud wadi]

And also uh

Presumably old l corp soldiers were constantly covered in toxic smoke

So shooting them at range was probably a good idea

[lean fjord]

I still wonder wtf was up with the smoke

What was old L Corp doing

[split beacon]

we know some things

[mystic ermine]

it is bad

[neat cedar]

horrid shit that screws with ur mental

[cloud wadi]

I’m sure we’ll know in Outis canto

[neat cedar]

it guves uber ptsd

[cloud wadi]

But yes

It fucked up your mind

[split beacon]

old L Corp had smoke monsters that belch mutagenic nightmare smog and they used them to produce power somehow

[cloud wadi]

It either turned people unusually nice

Gave them super ptsd

Or started making them walk aimlessly to L nest for some reason

[vagrant dove]

Might have been something vaguely similiar to enkephalin

[cloud wadi]

People’s theory is that CENSORED is based on it

[lean fjord]

Yeah it's mostly the making power part that I can't connect

[split beacon]

tbh I think Old L Corp might've had one (1) abnormality that they kept producing subspecies clones of and milking for power

[cloud wadi]

Since it apparently resembles a defunct singularity

And produces hella energy if you toss a nugget into it

[lean fjord]

Almost guaranteed yeah

[dusty sigil]

Man, someone on Twitter pointed it out but it’s so funny how the second you change his hairstyle, Gregor looks a lot like Hermann lol

[split beacon]

mother-son resemblance is brutal

[dusty sigil]

They have the exact same facial structure

[cloud wadi]

Yeah family resemblance is uncanny

[dusty sigil]

The only thing he needs is a shave and the side part

And he’s his mom

[atomic steeple]

"Hrt will make you look like your mom"

[split beacon]

I wonder if Hermann herself has any presents under the hood

[lean fjord]

Oh interesting
Didn't know that

[lean fjord]

We still haven't seen her hands, right?

[cloud wadi]

No

[vagrant dove]

Since that's a power source which can also have effects on the human mind

But doesn't produce as many toxic byproducts as whatever old L Corp was up to

[atomic steeple]

Gregor's sister must be moth princess and have an enhanced left arm

[split beacon]

doubt it

[neat cedar]

can i hust say

inreally

really

really dislike

people point at rodya'a sinner icon

in light of recent events

extremely not a fan

stop manifesting it

please

i'm.begging

[atomic steeple]

More seriously, gregor's sister is a mystery I'm curious about

[split beacon]

I can't parse what you're saying through the typos

[atomic steeple]

Given her role in the book

[neat cedar]

Rodya's sinner icon is a heart

and people have atart bringing attention to that after recent events

and i don't like it

[atomic steeple]

Explain

[vagrant dove]

Probably in reference to apples

[neat cedar]

^

[mystic ermine]

oh.

oh no

you might be onto something

[neat cedar]

this is not my curse

people.have cursed me with this

[cloud wadi]

Meh

So wjat if her ||heart gets ripped out of her body ||

Hardly the worst injury we’ve faced

[neat cedar]

||Tell that to greg||

|| sanity condition when a sinner dies : -90 sp||

[uneven canopy]

||so greg assimilated those thumbs into himself, bones and all||

||even the fancy swords||

[neat cedar]

||That i'm less sure of||

||Valencina maybe, lucio i don't think got eaten||

[atomic steeple]

Rodya: I hate bugs
Months later
Rodya: 50 doujins of perfect Cell please. Preference for ones where he has a brown hair/wig

[vagrant dove]

The pests might have got him

[neat cedar]

yeah

[dusty sigil]

Yah, ||Lucio only had his heart pierced||

||The mouth didn’t manifest until Valencia started torturing Greg some more||

[neat cedar]

||it's why i wonder if Lucio might also.be savable||

||Because in the city, the surest way to stay dead is a smashed head||

[vagrant dove]

||I think he is very dead||

||presumably the K corp ampules all got used up in the fights||

||and without anything else I think he would have just died||

[neat cedar]

||He's prob dead, but it's not 100%||

[uneven canopy]

||he's got a slim chance of making it out of there||

[split beacon]

||I'd rate the odds of a Lucio jumpscare low but non-zero come next Intervallo||

[dusty sigil]

||I mean, we’ve seen worse get recovered tbh||

[neat cedar]

||The timelimit on a revive techs is kinda vague||

[uneven canopy]

||less than jamila||

[dusty sigil]

||Mr Wash you away was decapitated||

[vagrant dove]

||shi yihua had a life insurance policy, I'm not sure Lucio does or if LC would be interested in shelling out the bucks for it, considering they already got one apprentice||

[split beacon]

ah but you forget

Dias is a collector

[vagrant dove]

||i am holding out hope, but I think my hopes might be dashed again||

[dusty sigil]

She’s doing gacha pulls herself

[cloud wadi]

I do wonder when purple tear is gonna show up in the narrative

[dusty sigil]

She’s looking for SSR Apprentices

[cloud wadi]

We are a bit full up on shadowy vague enigmatic antagonists though

[split beacon]

also it would be funny, if a little mean, for ||Lucio to think he's escaped being under the thumb of an abusive old woman just for an even worse woman to go "mine hehe"||

[cloud wadi]

Though I think purple tear wouldn’t oppose us directly

That woman knows the Flow like the back of her hand

[vagrant dove]

"I rolled a Moses... goddammit I already have one of those."

[split beacon]

she would send her apprentices three to beat us

[cloud wadi]

She would definitely like

Try to hitch a ride on our wake

[dusty sigil]

Dias collecting child soldiers like toys

[cloud wadi]

Rather than oppose the Flow

[split beacon]

you're saying this like Moses isn't her favorite in the whole wide world

[dusty sigil]

Also unironically, Kira and Lucio are great assets to have for Dias

[split beacon]

Dias does, in fact, play favorites

and Moses is her specialest little scrimblo that she just can't let go of

[dusty sigil]

Two extremely exploitable extremely strong young adults who both have obviously personality flaws that can be used to control them

And who both had their lives ruined

[split beacon]

if it weren't for that fucking twink she would've taken Albina too

[dusty sigil]

She calls Faust for a private meeting

[cloud wadi]

Does make me wonder if she doesn’t have a backup Bus team

[dusty sigil]

“Next time Sinclair summons a future version of himself, make sure he summons a less insane one”

“I wanted to collect that cute prosthetic user”

[cloud wadi]

I do like how Sinclair is so matter of fact about what he’s doing

[dusty sigil]

I feel like everything we know about the bus team makes them feel irreplaceable tbh

[atomic steeple]

Dias plays fire emblem and digimon
Collect blorbos

[dusty sigil]

Or at least whatever they’re doing is such an investment they’re the only real chance

[cloud wadi]

Albina: “||WHY DID YOU KILL HER, NOT ME?!!?!”||

Sinclair: “||oh, I was just getting to that, don’t rush me.||”

[neat cedar]

yeahblike

aside from Sora

[fluid whale]

I had this happen my last MD too

[neat cedar]

i think Lucio was prob

the strongest apprentixe

[split beacon]

turns out people who work for evil badguys can use the magical girl befriending technique to

[atomic steeple]

Do you think Saude had an Inquisition flashback?

[dusty sigil]

Probably

[split beacon]

he hit her with that Kendrick grin too

[dusty sigil]

He’s so fucked lol

[keen palm]

I think the Apprentices are all equally as powerful

[split beacon]

||"Oh, that. I was getting to it."||

[keen palm]

Like we can tell by just looking at their levels

[neat cedar]

I don't tbh

levels is only part og the equation

[split beacon]

he really said you gotta POP OUT AND SHOW PROSTHETICS USERS

[keen palm]

I don't actually think they are

[dusty sigil]

||It is a really bad sign tbh that there is a future where Sinclair basically became Kromer 2.0||

[neat cedar]

Sora as mang and shin

Levelsare a general.indicator

[keen palm]

They're basically diegetic

[neat cedar]

butnthey are not the end all be all

[cloud wadi]

I mean he’s not like obviously maniacal as Kromer though right

[vagrant dove]

True, moses is that one unit she refuses to drop from the team

[split beacon]

the fact that Shin literally augments your levels past the stated number, I feel, says something

[neat cedar]

ye

like sota is def

the strongest

[atomic steeple]

She has all costumes

[neat cedar]

given she has shin, ego, and Mang

[split beacon]

Sora isn't much stronger than her fellows

like the gap isn't huge

[neat cedar]

ye

[split beacon]

but she's got all that and a bag of chips

[neat cedar]

and i think Lucio is prob stronger than Ren

[split beacon]

I don't think she could beat all four, but she could beat any one of the other four

[neat cedar]

but only by a smidge

[cloud wadi]

Sora has the greatest strength of will among the apprentices

And least amount of actual combat experience I think

[neat cedar]

i could see it

[split beacon]

Lucio is clearly the one who's the best at fighting tbh

[neat cedar]

ye

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

Lucio’s been honed to a fine edge by valencina

Kira’s probably the most augmented and with the most tech gadgets

[split beacon]

my man said "I don't CARE who's a Color, we're running the hands" and survived that, then survived that again injured

[cloud wadi]

Albina is … Albina

[dusty sigil]

Kira is strongest because she’s the only one doing what actually matters

The cool shit

[neat cedar]

tru

[vagrant dove]

She's concerned with the hype moments and aura

[dusty sigil]

I ain’t seeing any of the other apprentices doing a rider kick

[vagrant dove]

A true warrior

[neat cedar]

Kira also does the smartest thing

in any figgt

she cheats

[split beacon]

god, Lucio's so cool...

[cloud wadi]

REN’s probably the weakest

But the most dutiful and chivalrous

[neat cedar]

yeeeag

[split beacon]

Ren also has crazy technique

[neat cedar]

him or albina

but all of the apprentices are like

crazy skilled

[split beacon]

actually no, we know for sure Ren can beat Albina

[cloud wadi]

Like credit where it’s due

[neat cedar]

especially for their age

[cloud wadi]

He died wishing he could save his master

That’s true dedication

[split beacon]

monke

[cloud wadi]

Unlike Sora

[split beacon]

Ren is monke :)

[cloud wadi]

Who at her last moment was struck by regret and doubt

[split beacon]

but like

unironically Ren is monke

[cloud wadi]

It’s untranslated

But ||sora’s last words were||

[neat cedar]

Ren is monke

but also

||Araya is also monke||

[cloud wadi]

||“Was it different… after all? My wish… and the prescript…”||

[neat cedar]

yeah

yeeeaah

[dusty sigil]

Honestly I think people aren’t talking enough about how Rien did the exact same thing as Matthias did

Sending Sora to a fight he knew she’d die in

[neat cedar]

see he didn't

Rien didn't

[split beacon]

fucking

[neat cedar]

the prescript did

[split beacon]

||HOW MANY DAUGHTERS ARE YOU GONNA BURN YOSHIHIDE||

||LET'S TAKE A CENSUS||

[mystic ermine]

No tremor fusion gifts by the way
c anto 7 spoilers

[dusty sigil]

“No no officer! My magic beeper told me to kill my daughter for now reason!”

[cloud wadi]

But yeah

[stoic fjord]

8

[keen palm]

God actually trying to find specific stages in Canto 9 sucks ass

[cloud wadi]

Sora at the ||very end of her life doubted the prescript, but by then it was too late||

[neat cedar]

The presceipt told her that if she fought ryoshu she'd be Rien's new daughter

[dusty sigil]

Why?

[stoic fjord]

spiderweb layout

[dusty sigil]

Ohhhh

[cloud wadi]

Spiderweb yeah

[split beacon]

lmao

[stoic fjord]

it loops back around itself multiple times

[neat cedar]

and.Rien, being a complete slave to the prescriptsz could only nod and go "sure"

[dusty sigil]

Yah that part is annoying

[stoic fjord]

such that it isn't sequential

[keen palm]

Also yeah

All the Apprentices are 65

[tired canyon]

||so callisto got kicked out of the ring because the ring doesnt give a fuck about gore statues anymore and he cant adapt||

||matthias forsook the familiar bonds of the middle because of material posessions||

||what did valencina and rien do||

[neat cedar]

Valencina somehow

[keen palm]

Valencia showed disrepect

[split beacon]

Valencina was ousted from her Sottocapo position

[cloud wadi]

Rien followed the prescript

[neat cedar]

git herself fuckin embarassed 3 days after getting promoted

[split beacon]

AFTER THREE FUCKING DAYS

[cloud wadi]

Unknown for Valencina but was ousted from sottocapo position after three days

[lean fjord]

Still wondering what she did to fuck up so badly

[cloud wadi]

Unclear what she did to get that

[neat cedar]

likely said rhe wrong thing to the wrong person

[tired canyon]

the only thoing i can imagine is that

she called the capo de capi a slur or something

[split beacon]

72 fucking hours Valencina

[cloud wadi]

But I’m assuming she was so sure of her ascendency

[neat cedar]

i think being disruotive and rude

[neat cedar]

and breaking the kayfabe of thumb discipline

[cloud wadi]

That she neglected to defend herself against a cunning ouster plot

[split beacon]

anyways Rien is simply not a very talented Proxy

[neat cedar]

Rien is too compliant to the prescripts

[split beacon]

he's kinda ass.

[neat cedar]

he does not interpret

he is in fact

scared to do so

[cloud wadi]

Since her family is mad that she got ousted after three days as a sottocapo more than the fact that she got ousted lmfao

[vagrant dove]

She made a statement so disrespectful the capo de capi had to BANISH her

[cloud wadi]

I think yeah

[keen palm]

I am being honest though, all the Apprentices seem equally as capable and powerscaling them does feel like introducing facts into them that don't exist

[cloud wadi]

Thumb probably has some really complex internal politics

[split beacon]

the apprentices are all like

[cloud wadi]

And she just got badly outmaneuvered

[split beacon]

pretty roughly the same powerlevel / tier / whatever you want to call it

[neat cedar]

I mean it's not really powerscaling them

[keen palm]

They are the exact same level

[neat cedar]

they are all around the same level

[tired canyon]

level gets into game mechanics

and game mechanics are nebulous

[neat cedar]

i'm just saying that you can kinda see some are prob better than others

[tired canyon]

even if theyre speficailly trying to be helpful

[neat cedar]

the game mechanics are diagetic

[keen palm]

Yeah

[neat cedar]

and inrhise mechanics u can see

whose a bit more skilled

andnwhose a bit less

[keen palm]

Narrative informs level so often that ignoring them is getting rid of the only actual proof to any claim

[vagrant dove]

I honestly think the incident that got her banished might have been related to her alcoholism

[split beacon]

they are the same levels, levels are not a Real Thing in universe but they roughly point out how tough an opponent is, the apprentices are all about the same, Sora has mechanics that inflate her level past the base number

so she might be marginally tougher

maybe

[fluid whale]

unironically, I'm reminded of the ending of Goodfellas

[neat cedar]

no one ignored them.though?

[fluid whale]

where ||the Joe Pesci character goes in to get made and instead gets murdered cause he killed another member of the family, and they didn't forget about that||

[cloud wadi]

The respect for propriety is mostly a smokescreen for the fact that the Thumb doesn’t actually encourage any actual loyalty or camaraderie among the ranks

You get ahead by selling each other out

[neat cedar]

that do be

how mafia works

[atomic steeple]

Cut throat politics

[cloud wadi]

Everyone is constantly watching over each other to see if they make a mistake

And failure and weakness is viciously punished

[vagrant dove]

A sottocapo getting mildly intoxicated in front of subordinates is prob something that's against the Thumb's extreme code

[keen palm]

This is the first time we found out Famiglias exist

[neat cedar]

i think the lucio seen kinda shows valencina's biggest flaw

[split beacon]

Lucio's got slick moves that give him the advantage even in an uneven fight, Sora has +OL and +DL from Shin, EGO, and faith beyond question, Kira has none of these things and just gimmicks people lmao, Albina uhhhhhhhhhh is an artist and Ren's got fucked up sword techniques

[neat cedar]

she's not very

aware

[cloud wadi]

It’s very uhhh Byzantine style politics I wager

[split beacon]

not quite

there's hat tips to it in Capitano Gregor's uptie story

[cloud wadi]

Or maybe just courtly politics

Of any noble society

[neat cedar]

plus, the thumb has always veen Mafia coded

[fluid whale]

Or society pretending at nobility

[neat cedar]

so.it's not a big jumo to make

[cloud wadi]

Mafia is just nobility without the excuses

[split beacon]

the thumb has a whole factional politics thing going on where everyone's trying to get the ear of the Capo, the Sottocapo, the Capo dei Capi, etc.

it's like ducal politics

[cloud wadi]

And everyone is constantly watching each other for failure

[mystic ermine]

Nice.

[split beacon]

the King's power is absolute, but the King is on the Crown's side

which is always balancing its own power with that of all the dukes combined

each duke wants the Crown's ear but also to amass their own power compared to the other dukes

[cloud wadi]

The absolute concentration of power in the hands of the Capo Dei Capi also probably means that any ambitious individual wishing to rise to the top

Has to be prepared to become very very vicious indeed if they want the throne

[split beacon]

now replace King with Capo dei Capi and duke with Sottocapo

or King with Sottocapo and duke with Capo

or King with Capo and duke with high-ranking Soldato

It's a fractal

[cloud wadi]

Assuming capo dei capi is a hereditary position ofc

And not an election among the sottocapos

[split beacon]

I mean even then, regicide is always an option in monarchy

[cloud wadi]

A young and inexperienced king could be an opportunity to really expand a famiglia’s power

[neat cedar]

. . .

man

[cloud wadi]

One thing that I do wonder

[neat cedar]

her having the pre cog eye

[cloud wadi]

Is if Nikolai has any ties to the Thumb

[split beacon]

did you notice it btw

[neat cedar]

really is a damning fucking ironic pieve of gear

[split beacon]

Valencina has Disposal

[gentle mulch]

i wish we could have adopted the apprentices

[cloud wadi]

Because she has YEAH

disposal

[neat cedar]

yeah

i notixed that immediately

and it made me wonder

[split beacon]

she even has the disposal mark

[cloud wadi]

Must be Palermitan style combat art

[gentle mulch]

yeah seeing Disposal on Valencina filled me with dread

[neat cedar]

if r corp and the thumb

[gentle mulch]

like legitimate dread

[neat cedar]

have a close relationship

[split beacon]

you know what else is noted about Nikolai

[cloud wadi]

I mean the famiglia is probably a big organization

[split beacon]

she uses an unusually long knife-style blade instead of a broadsword

[cloud wadi]

Presumably not everyone within the famiglia joins the thumb

Like you know what they say

[neat cedar]

potentially, yeah

[cloud wadi]

“I became a capo so my son could become governor, senator”

[split beacon]

which is probably modeled on a rapier, like Valencina's, instead of using a knife or a broadsword that R Corp could build standard

[cloud wadi]

So presumably it’s possible that more than a few member of thumb famiglia goes legit

To bring glory to the famiglia in proper, legit jobs

Just like real criminal families

[split beacon]

oh also Valencina's animations are sick and her use of a gunrapier is way more refined than any member of the Thumb we've seen so far

like she really shows that Lei Heng was NOTHING

when it comes to Thumb swordsmanship

[cloud wadi]

She’s capable of going toe to toe with Vergil for a significant amount of time

Not win against Vergil

But survive for a long long time

[tired canyon]

to be fair

vergil very explicitly didnt use ego

until gergor

[keen palm]

I mean Lei Heng was like a month or two away from being a Sottocapo

He's two levels behind her

[mystic ermine]

Aaah...
And he's missing 4 coin power from fusions
I can get this man to 100

[split beacon]

her Elephant Splitter and Disposal animations show off that the real Palermitan sword technique is using blowback rounds to accelerate your attacks in a fluid, seamless flow that accelerates and presses down on the opponent until they can't keep up and get slaughtered

[cloud wadi]

most sword techniques are named like "horse splitter"

[split beacon]

Precognition is a funny thing for Valencina to be blessed with, considering her fencing style is a constrainment technique that narrows down until you have no other options except to blunder and get torn to pieces

[cloud wadi]

she goes all the way to elephant I see

[vagrant dove]

To be fair they did fight together in the smoke war

So I can imagine some crosstraining, official or not, might have taken place

[cloud wadi]

I feel like ||precog eyes is actually exactly why the sword technique developed that way||

||It overheats if overused||

[split beacon]

yeah I guess the whole accelerating future thing alleviates the strain

[cloud wadi]

so ||use sword techniques to limit enemy movement to limit the amount of futures the eyes can see so that you can use it for longer periods of time||

and use ||precog to remove what little uncertainty that's left||

unfortunately for her

[atomic steeple]

Plus, if it shows possible ways someone might attack her even if they don't have intent to, it could trigger ptsd a lot

[cloud wadi]

it turns out knowing the future doesn't mean you can stop a sword swinging in at mach 2

[mystic ermine]

but intstead, she overrelies on it, causinjg her to overheat
that's my headcanon

[cloud wadi]

it's tailored for a duel type situation

she's trying to fight 4 people simultaneously

[keen palm]

Well what explicitly happens is that the Sinners keep adding variables

yeah

[split beacon]

she's got Rabbit Splitter, Deer Splitter, and Elephant Splitter btw

it scales up

[keen palm]

She could duel Vergilus for eternity it seems like

[vagrant dove]

She could probably stall Verg for at least a while without being distracted, yeah

[cloud wadi]

vergil would have|| won eventually but it would have taken quite aw hile||

[keen palm]

She was also

Drunk

[neat cedar]

Yeah

[cloud wadi]

she|| gets tired but Vergil is barely winded||

[keen palm]

Yeah like

[neat cedar]

that was something that i didn't realize

until a bit acter

and also that

[keen palm]

That doesn't actually seem true

[neat cedar]

the reason she didn't realize what haooened tomlucio

was a mix if that

and her probably not taking her eyes off verg

vecause hinestly

[keen palm]

Vergilus is visibly scuffed and wounded at the start of phase 2

[neat cedar]

if u hear that in the middle of a fight

[split beacon]

Sober, well-rested Valencina in her prime was no doubt a nightmare who could just take prey one at a time and annihilate them

[neat cedar]

you'd think that was a fuckin feint

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[neat cedar]

to get you to drop ur guard

[cloud wadi]

she seems pretty confident that she could've beaten Vergil if she was at her prime, though Vergil reacts to that stement with a laugh

[neat cedar]

i'd say tgat

it's avout

80% bluster

[tired canyon]

he could also have popped ego to win a lot faster but

i feel like he was saving it for things that could actually pose a threat to his life

[neat cedar]

but i think.she would have a real chance of it

[vagrant dove]

She'd probably be a dangerous enemy he'd need to pull out all the stops for, at the very least

[neat cedar]

I think.it's also.that verg

is not the tyoe to go all out

at thebstart

[dusty sigil]

It was admittedly really funny to see Vergil react to that with laughter

[split beacon]

tbh

[dusty sigil]

Everyone in the story has given him so much respect

[keen palm]

Valencia is a Star of the City and other Stars are still threats to him even if he can still win out

[dusty sigil]

It’s funny seeing someone who has no deference to him

[neat cedar]

yr

[split beacon]

Vergil might be laughing at that because he thinks that sour grapes ass whining is lame

[neat cedar]

also tru

[split beacon]

"sure you might have beaten me in your prime, but you're a washed up drunk right now"

[neat cedar]

she is dangerous as hell

but also

pathetic

[tired canyon]

also it was intentional but

it was pretty fun that the two swordsmen with precognition had a 1v1

[cloud wadi]

wonder what the real ||dihui star's sword techniques were like||

no ||iaido that's for sure||

[neat cedar]

I think similar to What we see

[dusty sigil]

If I were a betting man, I’d ||bet similar to what we see Ryoshu do when she unsheathes her sword||

[neat cedar]

||considering ryoshu does not make a comment about things||

[dusty sigil]

||they are blood after all||

[cloud wadi]

||She explicitly doesn't use iaido techniques because she dismissed them as being stupid showoff moves that serve no tactical purpose||

[neat cedar]

||Likenafter image or entanglement||

[cloud wadi]

she does

[neat cedar]

||Theniado, yeah, but the other shit||

[dusty sigil]

||unfortunately Araya is chuni as fuck||

[split beacon]

well

she has a reason for it

||stowing her blade between attacks lets her stabilize and control the Entanglement||

[cloud wadi]

||Ryoshu says that she never saw Dihui Star use iaido techniques before because she was taught by her that Iaido techniques were bullshit showoff moves with no purpose||

yeah

[gentle mulch]

I love the idea of PJM powerscaling because instead of being like. feat scaling we have:
Valencina was drunk, had an eye slash, despairing, past her prime, emotionally volatile, using a technique not meant for 4v2s etc.

[cloud wadi]

||araya uses iaido techniques to give herself time to meditate and compose herself to keep the entanglement under control||

[gentle mulch]

it has a whole different flavor to potential agendaposting that I'm really enjoying

[split beacon]

excuse you

slandering Rien is the reason this heart still beats

[neat cedar]

lol

speaking of slander

can we talk aboutnhow callisto is saying some incredibly ominous shit

[cloud wadi]

matthias was ||fighting two egotists, a color fixer with a fully empowered relic, and 3 LCB sinner at the same time ||

[neat cedar]

and tge story kinda glosses over it

[split beacon]

Callisto is a knower

[tired canyon]

i mean

...she is

not wrong

[gentle mulch]

he doesn't even have a real weapon it's like shitty goo

[dusty sigil]

Also chat, I’m wondering

[gentle mulch]

bum ass nursefather

[cloud wadi]

callisto got ||jumped by fucking terminator||

[keen palm]

And importantly:
Was Winning.

[split beacon]

he's also a foundational figure in ||Rien's backstory|| in a way that makes me really wonder what the fuck he was up to

[neat cedar]

like Callisto is tge only nursefather other than rien

[dusty sigil]

How ||the fuck does anyone in the city know about what happened in the library?||

[neat cedar]

whi.seemed to know what the pointnofnthw spider house is

also he k owd whar Rien's deal is

[dusty sigil]

||from the outside it should just be like, it showed up, a bunch of people died in it, they came back and then the head got rid of it||

[neat cedar]

||Also i am 90% sure he is the one who killed Rien's familiy||

[dusty sigil]

||the only people who even know who Roland was in there was a single member of the Hana who has no reason to tell the city||

[neat cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[keen palm]

Well everyone knows Roland was in there

just don't know who Roland is

[split beacon]

Callisto has a bunch of fraudulent Losing To A Lv45 Bum moments but he didn't lose the fight until Sinclair ||went in the back to look for a personalized death sentence for him||

[neat cedar]

not everyone

not even most people

[gentle mulch]

callisto got jumped by someone with an extra hole in her heart, a grieving nerd with minimal combat experience, hohenheim, the most GOATed sailor to exist, and sinclair

just like

such a huge contrast to hey vespa how's the oh

that's thirty clash power

[keen palm]

Anyone who popped out of the Library can circulate that Roland was there

[gentle mulch]

oh. that's even more

[cloud wadi]

i'll forever call that Sinclair Terminator Sinclair

for the irony

oops wrong reply

[neat cedar]

indeed but no one knows whk roland is

[lean fjord]

he's losing in the first fight because he's holding back
the debuff mentions he wants to avoid damaging his exhibits IIRC

[neat cedar]

he's just

a dudr

to 99% of the people

[split beacon]

yeah but also he got hit with the Diffraction Jumpscare

what a goon

what a fucking palooka

[lean fjord]

that is true, yeah

[dusty sigil]

Yah but only 1 guy knew who he was and recognized him, and that 1 guy is in the Hana who don’t seem like the type to tell people stuff like that

[neat cedar]

bro went his entire fixer career innirl incognito mode

[lean fjord]

though i can somewhat excuse getting got by the invisible weapon 😛

[split beacon]

I'm just saying

[cloud wadi]

wonder if there really is a Mjolnir relic

[keen palm]

Callisto also wasn't losing

[cloud wadi]

also

[gentle mulch]

he also got baited by art critique

[keen palm]

to Hoenheim

[split beacon]

he looks awfully buffoonish right up until Future Trunks goes THE FUTURE DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU

[cloud wadi]

Siegfried's arm

[gentle mulch]

like baaaad

[lean fjord]

he did totally fall for Hohenheim's bait though yeah

[keen palm]

like he wasn't really Damaged

[cloud wadi]

that has to be a Relic weapon right

[neat cedar]

he's also Ropand's former best friend at that

[dusty sigil]

Funnily enough he genuinely welcomed the critique

[lean fjord]

yeah it just surprised him a bit

[dusty sigil]

He did want to improve his art

[neat cedar]

who knows

[gentle mulch]

hohenheim might have done even more damage if his hat wasn't like a helmet or whatever

[neat cedar]

coyld just be a really cool.prosthetic

[neat cedar]

the emotional.damage hurt more than the hammer did

[cloud wadi]

I was wondering why a K corp superhero fixer with a benevolent cultivated image would wear a sickly looking skeletal prosthetic

[gentle mulch]

ahhhh he got caught with wants and desires
mods shred him to bolts

[split beacon]

this is what ||Sinclair|| did to Callisto
https://youtu.be/gcuDT1CvCRE

[cloud wadi]

but it totally makes sense if its a Relic

also

relics are really somethiing else

[dusty sigil]

Mods, hit him with double mang rings

[cloud wadi]

like Ryoshu cut that eye in half

[neat cedar]

bur yeah

callisto

[split beacon]

Mods, twist the screws holding that man together counterclockwise til they're unscrewed

[neat cedar]

says a bunch of ominous shit

[cloud wadi]

but apparently between it getting cut in half again due to effect of ryoshu's sword and Valencina being found drunk inside the House

[neat cedar]

and mythologically

[dusty sigil]

If Callisto survived Sinclair was about to start hitting him with the “if you feel pain you’re a human” shit

[cloud wadi]

it's been fully repaired

[neat cedar]

i can't figure anything out abiutbhim

[split beacon]

Mods, just fucking wrench his head off his shoulders

no more fucking around

[cloud wadi]

wonder if relics can just

self repair

[neat cedar]

because callisto of greek myth is just a nymph who gets tirned into.the ursa major

the only other commection(that seems relevant) being that

theynwere a follower of artmeis

a.Moon goddess

Stars amd the moon . . .

[tired canyon]

what was

callisto's wound

she cut out dihui's star heart and tongue,valencina's eye,half of rien's face

what about matthias and callisto

[lean fjord]

His head I think

Matthias lost an arm

[tired canyon]

damn u right

[dusty sigil]

No that head wound is self inflicted

[keen palm]

His brain I think

[dusty sigil]

He mentioned he wanted to use his own brain as the corpus but was to inexperienced and hurt himself

[lean fjord]

Oh wait, for Callisto it might have also been his sword

He mentions Ryoshu damaged it

[gentle mulch]

Lucio if only you betrayed herrrerrrrrrrrrr

[dusty sigil]

Yah, Ryoshu destroyed his gift to her

[lean fjord]

And since his is also made out of his own body

[split beacon]

it was the beastsword Saru

[atomic steeple]

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/project-moon-thread.111168/page-1047#post-37386821

||To be fair, Heathcliff casually forgetting to mention that Nelly is capable of microscopic knowledge of things within a 200km radium because that was just the background radiation of his life is a very real possibility||

[dusty sigil]

Canto 9 if Lucio killed Valencia in her sleep:

[split beacon]

Ryoshu destroyed his magnum opus

[gentle mulch]

not even that I think if the 4v2 turned into a 5v1 we could have gotten a good ending

[neat cedar]

Yeah

Ryoshu deatroyed his masterpiece

which was made for her

qe never get to see what it was

[lean fjord]

I thought he said at one point that Ryoshu also damaged Tibia

[neat cedar]

but it is thematically a direct refutation of his attempts to connect with her

[atomic steeple]

Ryoshu announcer called each nf thing she destroyed an eyesore

[neat cedar]

pfft

[unique bane]

had a thought about rien
he takes some things narratively from literary yoshihide but also i think he takes a bit from ryoshu. not our ryoshu, the ryoshu from one of the stories inuni shuji monogatari
in that story ryoshu is a painter who is working on a painting (maybe a screen) when his house catches fire
he gets out but leaves his wife and child behind to die in the fire and doesn't feel anything about it

[mystic ermine]

Wish me luck please
Canto 8 spoilers

[neat cedar]

"What, doesn't everyone's nanny have eyes innthw back fo their head at all times?"

[neat cedar]

yeeerp

Honestly

it's a very fun note of similarity that Ryoshu and rien both share in how they both seem like harsh and brutal sadists

but as you gain further context you can piece togwther their actual.damage and character

that veing said, they are also brutal sadists

Rien had no fuckin reason tonlie to jamilla about his scythe skills

and his comments about the whip . . .

[mystic ermine]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS

chrm, chrm
canto 8 spoilers

[neat cedar]

noice

[mystic ermine]

ourgh

this was
oouugh

[neat cedar]

mood

[mystic ermine]

Falls over
falls over dead with
with
with tears in ym eyes
just
Exploded
canto 9 spoilers

[stoic fjord]

My friend's "tier list" of the house of spiders characters

[dusty sigil]

How does ||the original Dihui star rank?||

[stoic fjord]

I dunno

[dusty sigil]

Damn

[stoic fjord]

I'll ask

Answered

[dusty sigil]

Ah alright

[dusty sigil]

That’s true

[crimson spindle]

freaks and people in sharp suits

[mystic ermine]

I'm redoing ||Muga Ryoshu||
...I can't not cry

"||However much time has passed, I hope it will be put a moment for her||"

WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Base factors increasing Sanity:
||- none.||

...

"this fight is so easy"
SHUT THE FUCK UP
YOU CAN0T WIONRATE IF YOU'RE CRYING

[dusty sigil]

SHE CAN WIN?

From @ sibajirou_jirou

[mystic ermine]

yes!
yes she can

[neat cedar]

||i wish i got to see them actually interact ||

[mystic ermine]

What the
Fuckl
do you
9-50 spoilers

[neat cedar]

mood

[mystic ermine]

Does anyone have Linton Gregor

[split beacon]

do you have me friended

[mystic ermine]

presumably not?

but actually

I tghink i'm fine without that for my sinking team

Udjat Outis it is!

FUCK YOU, ||HERMES||

I WILL
HAAHDJSFLKUJASHGZDLFKHDSAFASDF

HE
HE WOULD HAVE
...he would have been a ||good father||, but
he
he had sadness in

||...forgot to untag me||
WAHHHHHHHHHH

[dusty sigil]

I can get you one

[neat cedar]

Man . . . what a fuckin powerful metaphor for how loss works||https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G_Cdp2zWAAABbtP?format=jpg&name=large ||

||I would have to erase his name from every paper||

art by Owl_Plume

[crimson spindle]

|| https://www.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qha1y6/how_to_raise_your_kid_ft_the_nursefathers/ ||

[vagrant dove]

||Poor Hohenheim man||

[bronze zephyr]

i love hohenheim so fucking much

[bronze zephyr]

LMAO

[vagrant dove]

Ii love how he tries to put on the idgafer asshole facade- and is pretty good at it, all things considered- to ensure people don't get close to him and therefore wouldn't sacrifice themselves for him

But Marton just saw right the fuck through it

That fucking sprite of him tearing up at the end of that scene man

My poor goat

Manifesting a gregor id for him

[stoic fjord]

the flow demands this single man to bear an unfathomable amount of survivor's guilt

[vagrant dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qhdt6b/the_emperors_chariot_cannot_be_stopped_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I must collect as many variants of this meme as possibpe

[vagrant dove]

I hope we get some more of him in the intervallo

[dusty sigil]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8f5wRRs/

[vagrant dove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qh7sx0/500_cigarettes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[unique bane]

Reminds me of how yesod had to redact the names of the dead

[stoic fjord]

okay so my friend is past 9-41

and now stuck on Suddenly, One Day

[vagrant dove]

Yeah that one can be a bit difficult

I love the fight but uh

Took me a while

[vagrant dove]

What does he have in terms of rodion and heathcliff?

[stoic fjord]

borrowing level 60 KoDya, running level 59 Seven Heathcliff

he does not have anything better for heathcliff