Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[neat cedar]

i would also want ti beat that stupid jade eye with hammers

if i got told that

andnit's also why inrespect

that the last think Jia huan did

[worthy haven]

ye we have seen Hermann splinter group and members of the Hammer. We dont know which faction mersault belonged to and I assume (?) the taboo hunters dont really belong to either faction but that might be wrong so Vespa could have been technicaly part of either

[neat cedar]

was break that fuckin mirror

[dusty sigil]

Yah, his response to him was, cruel. Not intentionally of course, but it was a detached cruelty that without knowing why he’s like that of that he’s changed, it would build hatred towards him

[stoic fjord]

it's a very understandable anger and resentment

[split beacon]

give us a playable N Corp. squad interlude where instead of playing as Dante and the Sinners we perspective shift to Hermann as the commander and the Litterateurs

[neat cedar]

Jia Huan got to get revenge

on the true orchestrators

[stoic fjord]

lowkey this would be kind of cool

[neat cedar]

of hia brither'a death

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[split beacon]

it's very fun and awesome that Jia Huan finally figured out the REAL reason for why his brother died

turned around

[vagrant dove]

Hong Lu seals them, but he takes away any shred of entertainment

[split beacon]

and said "NAH"

"Y'ALL GONNA SUFFER"

[gentle mulch]

NAH FUCK YALL

[neat cedar]

deserved

no more netflix

enjoy ur immprtality fuckasses

[vagrant dove]

I can honestly see a timeline where he becomes similiar to Hongler and goes the Lord of Hongyuan route

[dusty sigil]

“Still doesn’t take away how Hong Lu responded to my questions”

[split beacon]

jia huan absolutely glowing with wrath resonance: "kindness is not, in fact, needed"

[worthy haven]

I do think we are prob gonna ally with the Nail to take down Kromer and Sprenger/stop their crusade but maybe this is also the real starting point towards that massacre and the second smoke war

[vagrant dove]

My theory is that Hong Lu's ID is basically a mixture of Jia Qiu and Jia Huan's perspectives, without the kindness that our Hongler has

[neat cedar]

yeahbthus heinreich guy

[dusty sigil]

Also I do think it’s important to recognize for Jia Huan, at that point he wasn’t really angry because he thinks Hong Lu killed his brother, he was angry because Hong Lu was so detached from his death

[neat cedar]

is sounding like

a bad deal

also

[stoic fjord]

honestly I think this checks out

[neat cedar]

||Yeah, more sinclair trauma||

now the real question

[dusty sigil]

Hong Lu’s mindset as an observer and not participant in the world angered him, because it meant that his brother’s death meant nothing to him

[neat cedar]

||Is kromer sr gonna have that fucked uo bob||

[split beacon]

Heinrich Kromer is literally a fusion of Kromer NCorp with Heinrich Kramer, the guy who was too persecutory and evil for the Catholic Church back in the day

[stoic fjord]

it's not even blame, moreso just like. y'know. a child being upset that his brother died and that one of his best friends doesn't even fucking care, apparently

[worthy haven]

ya

and his brother is also there!

[split beacon]

also a salty incel bitch

[worthy haven]

although it is highly debated i think if he wrote parts of the book

which doesnt matter for limbus tho

also fun fact!

I think

Der Freischütz also first appeared written down in Heinrich Kramers book Witch Hammer

[neat cedar]

oh boi

that's

[vagrant dove]

Yrah

[dusty sigil]

Yah, but unfortunately when he had asked Hong Lu had already fully resigned himself as a witness to the world rather then a member of it

[neat cedar]

probably gonna be a problem

[worthy haven]

lemme double check that

[dusty sigil]

That shit is still insane to me

[vagrant dove]

The H-Corp younger generation is so fucked up honestly. I think about them a lot

[dusty sigil]

Imagine being such a misogynist the Catholic Church considers you evil

The medieval Catholic Church

[worthy haven]

If i remember correctly it wasnt like Der Freischütz freischütz sicne that was like a story but more a story/stories about hunters using devil magic to control their bullets

imma check

[dusty sigil]

Also, speaking of fraud posting

[stoic fjord]

hrmmm

[vagrant dove]

I really like Intervallo 8.5 having Xichun learn how to change things rather than the story going "everything's good now that the good ruler is here"

Gregor's lesson is perhaps my favourite in that regard

[stoic fjord]

fucking incredible

[stoic fjord]

100%

especially since like

we know restructuring day is still there

and like

[neat cedar]

yeah

yeah

[stoic fjord]

it's not going to just stop because someone with good intentions is in power now

[split beacon]

they're figuring it out

[stoic fjord]

and so we see her working towards building up the trust of others to gain support, working to try and solve the problems of her nation

[split beacon]

but it's not an immediately tractable problem

[lean fjord]

Well the thing is also
Saying witches exist was in fact also against the official church doctrine at the time

[dusty sigil]

Oh I know

[atomic steeple]

Witch hunting was more a local thing in places

[vagrant dove]

I really do like those moments where she reaches out to each of the candidates yeah

[worthy haven]

Ok sry I was slightly wrong!

[dusty sigil]

But like, even ignoring the witches thing I’m pretty sure bishops at the time called his idea a dangerous attack on women

[split beacon]

yeah

[neat cedar]

which, ya know, it is

[atomic steeple]

Church when priests keep hunting witches or trying to write actual grimoires

[split beacon]

they did, though it was partly also because he was just kinda doing shit off the cuff no approval of anything

[neat cedar]

mhmm

[split beacon]

okay so like

[neat cedar]

which bodes poorly for N corp . . .

[split beacon]

one of the Big Problems that the Catholic church faced for a long time, in a way that was really frustrating for them

was that people who didn't know anything about religion kept expecting priests to know or do a little magic

and if they didn't, the laypeople would go "so what are you fucking good for" and stop coming to church and so on

[vagrant dove]

I think we will have to kill this guy, Danteh

[split beacon]

so a fair number of Catholic priests at various points in time either invented their own version of magic that they claimed to be able to do and then said "nah it's all big ups to J.C. I didn't do anything" or just straight up did a little pagan magic and said "it's all part of God's plan or something"

[neat cedar]

big mood

glad we don't have to deal with that anymore

megachurches intensify

[atomic steeple]

Why is the church so against magic?

[neat cedar]

because power not of god

[split beacon]

generally speaking the church was of the opinion that no one could use God's power in that manner with VERY limited and generally one-off exceptions unless they were Jesus Christ or an Old Testament guy like Moses

[atomic steeple]

Back when I was a kid, there was a church tv program before my tokusatsu, and I think that was the one that had a fake "priest makes disabled person walk again"

[worthy haven]

Ok so i was slightly mistaken. Der freischütz-legend/the freishütz belief first appeared written down in 1449 in court records. A mercenary shot a three times at a jesus picture and then was said to have murdered people with the powers gained by the act. In der Hexenhammer (1487) they speak of an Archer who uses magic to control arrows mid-flight. He is said to have gained that power by shooting a crucifix on Good Friday three of four times and then kills that many people the every day via arrow and bullets that dont miss. That said this myth was prob from older myths and oral hearsay

[vagrant dove]

There was a debate over the existance of werewolves as well

on similiar lines

[worthy haven]

suffice to say heinrich kramer is bad news

I dont think there is a lot about how Jacob Sprenger was other then he was in the dominicus order

[split beacon]

Yeah, we’re not looking at good outcomes of a Malleus Maleficarum

[worthy haven]

yeee

also its high time we meet some Nails

I wanna learn about the Nail group

its like the (prob) last main player of N and we know nothing rly

[bronze zephyr]

dominicus order?

[neat cedar]

i wonder if Nails will be french xoded

[worthy haven]

sry its Dominican Order in english i think

[worthy haven]

def could be

I would also like atleast a lil (sub)faction that is german coded that is not like literally the epitome of evil but I guess we have Zwei and it is the City

[bronze zephyr]

Who is Jacob,, a quick wiki search says he's only mentioned in c9 and a Jacob is mentioned in Regret Faust's uptie story as a new control team member

[worthy haven]

Jacob most likely refers to Jacob Sprenger

[vagrant dove]

The england-based district is one of the worst, most soulcrushing places to live in the city, if that helps

(Just like real England)

[worthy haven]

true that

[bronze zephyr]

Jacob canto 12 truthing

[worthy haven]

Jakob/Jacob Sprenger

Jacob Sprenger is the co author of Hexenhammer/Witch Hammer on the older works

[bronze zephyr]

oh very funny that irl Jacob and Heinrich hated each other seemingly

[worthy haven]

ye it is pretty highly debated if jacob actually write stuff in hexenhammer or if heinrich put him on the cover to make the book seem more legit

[dusty sigil]

You know, I wonder if besides the color indicated their actual color scheme

If the color of a color fixer indicates like, something about their style

Because Gebura and Verg do have relatively similar fighting styles

Pure overwhelming force

They both kinda lack a big gimmick besides hitting a lot of people very hard

[keen palm]

The Pure Overwhelming Force of the Red Sack

[dusty sigil]

That’s what I’m saying

The red sack was a DEMON

The strongest color of all time if you ask me

[neat cedar]

Verg dkes have a gimmick

in his ability ti prorect others

[split beacon]

I wouldn't classify Vergilius as an overwhelming force type, he clearly knows how to use his gladius and has a style involving a mix of onehanded gladius strikes, kicks, and occasional left-handed h2h

[neat cedar]

which i think is prov thw bigger like

conmecting thread

[split beacon]

he's just very straightforward

[dusty sigil]

I mean that’s kinda what I mean though

They’re both very straightforward fighters

[neat cedar]

ye

[dusty sigil]

Unlike the other colors we’ve seen with different titles

[neat cedar]

they don't mess around

[stoic fjord]

hrm

so what'd be the throughline for-

[split beacon]

Canto 9-43: ||So if a Certain Sinclair is the Green Salvation/Damnation, does that mean that Jia Qiu died in this timeline and can't be the Jade Qilin anymore? Speculation but lmao||

[stoic fjord]

wait no indigo and blue are different

[dusty sigil]

Iori has her teleportation stuff and multiple stances, Angelica has a dozen weapons her pocket she swaps to as needed, Argalia has the vibration thing his weapon causes, the indigo elder uses a crossbow

[stoic fjord]

are there any color fixers besides red that have had multiple people in the color role

[dusty sigil]

Yah that’s kinda what’s making this theory weak lol

[bronze zephyr]

jade qilin isnt a fixer title i think; in korean jade refers to the material not the color but i could be wrong on this

[stoic fjord]

Jade =/= Green

[bronze zephyr]

yeah

[dusty sigil]

The only example of a color successor we have is Vergilius

There no other colors who share a title

[split beacon]

and the Yellow Harpoon has a combination of gimmicks in Gungnir and his flashstep swordsmanship style

[stoic fjord]

||also it's not an official color fixer title, it's what people call him just because||

[bronze zephyr]

how did verg inherit the red title? was it just vacant since kali's death or

[stoic fjord]

||no Hana association involved||

[vagrant dove]

Prob vacant since kali died

[stoic fjord]

think so, yeah

[vagrant dove]

And then he uh

Passed the evaluation

[dusty sigil]

Wait who?

[split beacon]

okay hana association

[stoic fjord]

||A Certain Sinclair||

[split beacon]

what the fuck is a Color Fixer evaluation

[dusty sigil]

Yah I think it was just vacant

We know colors can have the same titles

[stoic fjord]

||The Green Deliverance/Damnation||

[dusty sigil]

But it seems like only 1 fixer can have a title at a time

[neat cedar]

a test

[dusty sigil]

Ohhh yah

[neat cedar]

clearly

[dusty sigil]

Presumably it involves fighting a lot of Hana fixers

[vagrant dove]

We know it involves a lot of paperwork

Presumably promising candidates get scouted then the list is pruned gradually over a period of time through various tests of aptitude until you get the final candidate

[dusty sigil]

They are all grade 1s after all

[neat cedar]

butnye, gotta make sure colors are worth the name

[worthy haven]

but def must be more to it

[dusty sigil]

I mean yah probably

[worthy haven]

since then we have people like Siegfried who if it came to strength alone begs the question why he isnt a colour

[dusty sigil]

I mean for him it’s because he’s not really a fixer anymore, he exclusively works for K Corp

He’s a corp agent in all but name

[neat cedar]

neinf a color also.makes u a target of aspiration

bith positibelt and negatively

[stoic fjord]

I mean, one of the main things was also being unique in some way, right?

to an extent?

you need to have something notable and unique

[neat cedar]

ye

[worthy haven]

we also dotn really know if the sin colour being the same as the title for those people is like a coincidence or something deliberate by Hana/if it is something gameplay only or if there is a deeper meaning cause colour fixers have existed before the incident. Sin is a concept connected to the light but i wonder if the colour sin association existed before

[split beacon]

https://youtu.be/Xyd3m7ZP73Q

[bronze zephyr]

i wonder what young-ji's current status is

[neat cedar]

i'd say it's probably thematic coincidemce

the main connecting aspect of all colors

is that they a re very singularly drivenmpeople

[worthy haven]

could be for sure ye

and ye

[neat cedar]

Argalia could very easily.be tied into pride

as could the indigo elder

[atomic steeple]

The lust only fixer will get endless jokes

[worthy haven]

that is a very good point

[neat cedar]

and roland is very much

painted in every color

wrath, gloom, amd sloth are obvious

[split beacon]

black is the combination of all colors

[atomic steeple]

It is a datamined affinity

[neat cedar]

Gluttomy.xould be tied to.how voraciously he tore.through the city, Lust in how he soread both hisnsorrow and hisnidea of hopelessness and apathy

and despitw everything

roland is incredibly prideful

amd envy is also

pretty clear i.think

[vagrant dove]

First enemy to bust all seven sins

[atomic steeple]

Color fixer ids that enter a mode where all ids become the same affinity

[vagrant dove]

Speaking of colour fixers and sins Verg having all wrath hits different after reading Leviathan honestly

[keen palm]

Bari is also Sinless

[neat cedar]

yeeeeerp

he is a very sadan

also

drenched

in death flags

[vagrant dove]

Also we have more bloodfiend friend allusions in the greg fight

[worthy haven]

you could say that

[neat cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/funeral-of-the-dead-butterflies-fotdb-lobotomy-corporation-lobcorp-project-moon-gif-818902265658933613

i don't like this

[vagrant dove]

also he finally got his ego passive

baptism in blood i think is the best rendering of that

or bloody baptism

[worthy haven]

ye makes the most sense

altough bloody bathroom would also be hella funny

[neat cedar]

so many death flags . . .

wait

wai

[vagrant dove]

yeah I don't think our guide is surviving this one

[neat cedar]

oh my god

[worthy haven]

Ye

[neat cedar]

||That's the move he uses to.block.Greg's som go for.the heart||

[worthy haven]

Yep

[neat cedar]

||And greg also has a funeral.ego oh my fuck||

[worthy haven]

His strongest skill

[neat cedar]

KJH u.bastard

[vagrant dove]

you could also TECHNICALLY render it as bloody toilet I think, but I don't believe that was KJH's vision

[bronze zephyr]

what happens to virgil in the divine comedy again?

[bronze zephyr]

HELP

[atomic steeple]

That food really didn't agree with his stomach

[vagrant dove]

he ate one of don's foul concoctions

[neat cedar]

he leaves dante after inferno

he xan't guide him past tgat

i think.becayse bergil.is still a sinner in hell

neing, ya know, a pagan

[vagrant dove]

i hope charon survives

i like our bus driver

she is a woman of simple desires (plushies, candy, and vehicular manslaughter)

[bronze zephyr]

sameee

perhaps one day we will get the charon intervallo that i crave

[neat cedar]

inb4 charom.becomes a new faust

[atomic steeple]

Yeah, Christianity struggled with the idea of what happens to virtuous people who don't know of Jesus

[stoic fjord]

I don't think Charon will continue with us ngl

[dusty sigil]

From @ tamanobuland

[stoic fjord]

with her name being that of the ferryman of the underworld

I feel like she will not be there for Purgatorio and beyond

[atomic steeple]

Thought he was pregnant

[vagrant dove]

i love pablo being there

[keen palm]

He technically is

[bronze zephyr]

i also thought he was gregnant yeah

[vagrant dove]

i treat every gregor id like a "where's pablo" game tbh

[keen palm]

Those roaches come from him after all

[bronze zephyr]

same fr

[atomic steeple]

Eraserhead intervallo

[karmic escarp]

||btw something ive been thinking about. funny that team ryoshu consisted of her, meursault (next in line) and outis (next in next in line)||

[gentle mulch]

surgeon simulator intervallo

[bronze zephyr]

lmaao

ugh im so excitd for the next cantos

[vagrant dove]

"we can rebuild him, we have the technology"

still thinking about canto 9, what an experience honestly

[bronze zephyr]

||faust opening a private gm with Precise Surgeon Faust: "please help Faust in this endeavor."||

[vagrant dove]

i mean it's better than ryoshu being given the scalpel

[bronze zephyr]

which sinner would you trust most with surgery

[vagrant dove]

greg can have that as his one small consolation

[stoic fjord]

Meursault

[vagrant dove]

def not yi sang

i love you ideal man but you are a bit of a boyfailure

meursault probably yeah

[bronze zephyr]

i trust don and heath the least

id trust outis

[vagrant dove]

post-Canto don would be a semidecent option

pre-canto no fucking way

[lean fjord]

you just tell Meursault to do it correctly, and he will

[dusty sigil]

Wait, I’m watching her fight and I never saw this animation

Does Valencia’s sword actually have a gadget extendo mode?

[bronze zephyr]

meursault > outis > faust > ishmael > gregor > yi sang > sinclair > hong lu > don > heath > rodya > ryoshu.

[vagrant dove]

might just be her second sword?

btw I love how one of her swords

has what looks to be a revolver chamber

[bronze zephyr]

another gunblade spotted

[vagrant dove]

it fits her western ass theme

[dusty sigil]

The thumb love their guns

[eternal berry]

she's got acceleration ammo as her unique type

[vagrant dove]

her drip is so cool honestly

horrible person, amazing fashion sense

like a lot of the Thumb

[vagrant dove]

like she looks far more like a cowboy than a mafioso

which is an aesthetic i do dig

generally this canto had amazing designs

[karmic escarp]

the thumb battle theme was my favorite for the whole canto

[vagrant dove]

the music was outstanding generally

i think I liked ||gregor's|| the most

but the Thumb them is def up there

midde was great too

[karmic escarp]

||his was definitely my second favorite||

[atomic steeple]

||Gregor|| and finale music were the best

[karmic escarp]

middle always rocks

[uneven canopy]

long long maaaaan

[vagrant dove]

i kept making slenderman jokes about callisto when i played thru part 2

[worthy haven]

for me it was the 4-49 track

[uneven canopy]

man has heels built into his legs like he's not already 8 feet tall

[vagrant dove]

"collect my pages art"

[worthy haven]

and the non combat pinyk theme

[vagrant dove]

oh the intro for the show kira was watching

that's also a fucking banhger

City Hero I think it's called

[worthy haven]

esp the part starting around minute 1:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK7yzcQiXKA

when the the vocal lullaby kicks in

such a mood setting track for he story cgs

[vagrant dove]

https://youtu.be/zy5wyZA1FQ8?si=MSGUxoDohuL_rEE3

[worthy haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8fKDXWH-kI this tho is def my favourite

[vagrant dove]

l ike it's only 13 secs long but it's so good

[worthy haven]

the fucking crescendo of emotions

[atomic steeple]

I can't believe limbus scratched my ||swarm lord|| itch after I dropped HSR

[vagrant dove]

limbus in general scratches the itch that the hoyoverse stuff I used to play just didn't

[atomic steeple]

Yeah

[stoic fjord]

this one hurts so fucking bad

[atomic steeple]

||Ryoshu escaping nihilism and having a super blade just made her a replacement to Acheron for me||

||Nihility literally gets namedropped||

[stoic fjord]

honestly the only real investment I still have in gacha games other than Limbus is basically just yuri potential

I'm playing Limbus because I am truly fully engrossed in the story

[atomic steeple]

You know, I think I only ever saw the word nihility in gacha games, and that one joke about Cassetti

[vagrant dove]

I think part of it is that there isn't 1 billion characters, which actually allows a greater depth in writing

[stoic fjord]

everything else I play to number-maxx and write yuri

[vagrant dove]

hoyoverse character lore is like

crumbs, unfortunately

[stoic fjord]

there's a ton of interesting ideas

but never actual development on them

and I think this applies to basically every major gacha game

like

I enjoy Wuthering Waves

and we got a lot on the Shorekeeper

but also there's just so much unexplored

and there's the additional problem of kind of just leaving everyone behind when you go to the next area

[worthy haven]

ye

||smokeclairs remix of between two worlds is also a fucking banger||

[stoic fjord]

basically Limbus figured out how to make gacha games actually work satisfyingly as a format

[vagrant dove]

small cast

[stoic fjord]

and it's genuinely fucking miraculous

[atomic steeple]

I kept up with lore drops after dropping hsr
And damn is the drip feed slow

[vagrant dove]

like I genuinely appreciate the Sinners in ways I don't think I've done for many other gacha casts

because we spend so much time with them

[stoic fjord]

the ID system is genuinely amazing and not even that hard to implement as something different, I think

[vagrant dove]

Don Quixote is straight up one of my favourite characters in anything now

i love the creature

[stoic fjord]

like, weapons and armor could make for a system similar enough to the ID system that you could do this with a lot of gacha games

[stoic fjord]

same

basically Limbus suffers from very few of the standard gacha game issues because it removes those at the root

[vagrant dove]

I also think it helps that there isn't a ton of additional stuff layered on top

[atomic steeple]

Also, I found a community that actually engages with lore and worldbuilding. Other gachas barely have that
I can throw question and speculation, or find them. And people engage

[vagrant dove]

like there's two resources you uh

spend on characters

exp tickets and thread

that's it

[stoic fjord]

yeah

larger team size with less like

stuff

[vagrant dove]

there's no grinding for artifacts or something

[stoic fjord]

means that teams can still be varied, without the need for as much grind and investment in each individual character

[vagrant dove]

you just gotta hit the lux mines

[stoic fjord]

also no weapon system

so you don't get useless junk on your "failed" pulls

in fact you basically get more character resources

[atomic steeple]

Lol pmoon never used a workshop weapon system

They could, but didn't

[vagrant dove]

limbus i think has staying power bc of the characters and bc of how easy it is relatively to grind

it's what 10 minutes max every day in the lux mines at most?

unless you're doing an MD

and even that is fairly easy unless you specifically want to do MDE

[atomic steeple]

Yes

Though md takes a while for me too

That's subjective, of course

[vagrant dove]

I basically winrate everything in MDs until the final boss tbh

MDE's a diff story for obvious reasons, since you do have to lock in

[lean fjord]

even MDE isn't too bad with a good team tbh

[vagrant dove]

There are problems with Limbus but I do think it demands a lot less of your time than other games, which is nice

[lean fjord]

mostly just need to make sure you buy out the shop as much as you can

[neat cedar]

big spoiler via ryoshu's VA talking about her feelings with recording the canto ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1455638960465514601/1462537151299190886/SPOILER_14tarldkn3eg1.png?ex=696e8d5d&is=696d3bdd&hm=fb10d4e22a78c0af85f24511131bcd4113dd5b6bbf21182b0fccc08e48a38ae0& ||

[lean fjord]

but if you use enough starlight, that's not too hard

[stray sleet]

Yeah it's easy to keep up with limbus, which is nice

[vagrant dove]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-limbus-sancho-limbus-don-quixote-meme-gif-10582467011455985574

[stoic fjord]

||A COVER OF SAIKAI BY RYOSHU'S VA? WE'RE ACTUALLY SO FUCKING BLESSED IT'S UNREAL||

[atomic steeple]

Did anything get added to dante's notes?

Everything got tagged as unread a while ago, so I can't tell

[stoic fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-SWUld1Nok

WHAT

HOW DID THEY SHAVE OFF ANOTHER TURN

[ebon forge]

@stoic fjord rose hunter x apple toxic yuri with evil and intimidating gregor

[stoic fjord]

what

[ebon forge]

https://youtu.be/Yl1XOY_6PJw?

Related

[stoic fjord]

how does gregor factor into this

[ebon forge]

I cut apples in half

[stoic fjord]

ok

[stoic fjord]

wait is this vampire hunter x vampire toxic yuri

[lean fjord]

Rose Hunter would fit for Gregor tbh

thematically

[ebon forge]

Basically, idfk

[stoic fjord]

it's so fucking peak holy shit

[ebon forge]

But yes Ref makes a lot of yuriful songs

[lean fjord]

since Rose Hunter is about being stuck to the script and your assigned role

[stoic fjord]

the art is amazing

[stoic fjord]

I think this also fits Faust

[ebon forge]

It’s literally a Faust EGO

What’s the apple represent?

[stoic fjord]

ok looking into their channel they're like. evil rainaery

[worthy haven]

for greg?

[ebon forge]

For rose hunter, but gregor too

[worthy haven]

or for faust

[lean fjord]

it's Snow White's Apple

[ebon forge]

For all of them, fuck it, why not lol

Ahhhh

[atomic steeple]

The apple wants to escape the story

[lean fjord]

the Rose Hunter is there to ensure the Apple fulfills the role it was given in the story

[stoic fjord]

goddddd I cannot wait for the first event

[worthy haven]

For greg the apple is like the prime simbol of his abuse. Both in Limbus where he was told to use his arm to cut apples hearts and also in Metamorphosis his Father threw and apple at him which cracked his shelll leads to the beginning of Gregors death and maybe also his escape via death

[stoic fjord]

I need more resources

I need to level and fully uptie bloodfiend team

they're all UT3 or higher but I want this to look like my Heishou team

everyone at UT4, maxed

[gentle mulch]

i need thread n tickets

like bad

I'm already out of crates

[stoic fjord]

same....

surely our first event is walpurgisnacht

and I get to add Jeong Ish to my sinking team

and cry as I am punished for my hubris of spending 50 pulls on Ryoshu banner hoping for maid ryoshu

[lean fjord]

for Faust, Lasso presumably represents how she is forced to fit into the expectations of the Gesellschaft as Faust

[atomic steeple]

It's interesting the rose hunter's gluttony involves dragging people into the story

[worthy haven]

In Faust the apple is also used as a symbol of temptation and the loss of innocence. Its a combination of Fausts enjoyment of knowledge in combination with gretchens innocence

Mephistopheles specifally uses the Apple to describe Fausts greed/desires

[gentle mulch]

you will get her

[atomic steeple]

And outright accepts being lied to as another story to follow, but warns you to take responsibility

[gentle mulch]

we will get great fortune

we just have to wait until the first event

[atomic steeple]

Is jeong ish good?

[bronze zephyr]

yes

[lean fjord]

she's pretty good

[worthy haven]

to go even further with what the learned in 9-51 the apple ||also symbolises the desire of Faust beign reinstated as an Admin||

[ebon forge]

icic

[ebon forge]

And it’s amazing

[stoic fjord]

Mhm

[atomic steeple]

The apple also represents the bait into the smoke war

[ebon forge]

I like how we have evil and intimidating lesbian

[atomic steeple]

The golden apple

[ebon forge]

And thirsty sword lesbian

[atomic steeple]

That leads to ruin

[ebon forge]

Mmm

[worthy haven]

there is also a direct Goethe text passage that fits here

Über Rosen läßt sich dichten, in die Äpfel muß man beißen

[atomic steeple]

Furthermore, there's the themes of rot
The apple lodged in a wound, rotting, helped kill gregor

[worthy haven]

roughly: About Roses you can write poems, in the apple you must bite

[atomic steeple]

Plus, book gregor started liking rotten food

Also, note lunacy looks like a brain and also a flower

Flowers become fruits

[worthy haven]

but ye both Faust and Greg are tied via an apple theme

know even moreso

[ebon forge]

That’s interesting asf

I think Hong has an Apple ego too right

[worthy haven]

ye he has a rose hunter

but i dont know enough about that book and if there is an apple connection sowy

[worthy haven]

Also really cool (a)symmetry here

For greg its the symbol of ruin and everything going wrong while for Faust it is the symbol of her desires and in limbus ticket of her "ascension"

[split beacon]

I mean

is it the golden apple of discord or the golden apple of knowledge of good and evil?

[worthy haven]

no idea yet right?

[ebon forge]

From my knowledge no

[worthy haven]

could be either or both rly

[split beacon]

well, if it grows from the golden sapling, it should be the apple of knowledge

[ebon forge]

But for Hong its a lot more of the Apple being tied to his pains, and how he also is the Apple being tied to the script by the Elders

[worthy haven]

oh ye sry Faust part 2 uses the apple of knowledge as analogy

[split beacon]

Do tell

[crimson spindle]

honestly it being pmoon it could be all of them at once

[split beacon]

It could be all of them at once

[worthy haven]

here

[wintry fiber]

can you evade counters

[split beacon]

Yes

[cloud wadi]

What if it’s a notch apple

[stoic fjord]

I feel like they're going to combine all of the apple symbolism

[worthy haven]

In Faust part 1 (esp during the first walpurgisnacht) the apple is like the classic apple of knowledge symbol. Temptation, sensuality, and the sin of paradise

[split beacon]

the thing is

some of the apple symbolism is opposed to others

The rotten apple, the apple of discord, and the fruit of knowledge are all pretty distinct and different

There is a coherent connection you can make though

which is that the golden apple, as forecast in Canto 1, is a false promise and the true fruit of knowledge is not the lure that Limbus Company is being baited in with

[ebon forge]

I wonder what Hong is chasing down

[split beacon]

we have SO MANY abnormalities that function as traps which lure people in and devour them

[worthy haven]

Faust dreams about 2 apples and gretchen answers that she also has apples in her garden. Its liek a combination of the (urgh) "eroticism", drive for knowledge and incoming disaster

[split beacon]

why urgh

[stoic fjord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwuBw_vKvMU

[split beacon]

one of the important aspects of the Fruit of Knowledge is that it also implies knowledge in the Biblical sense, i.e. carnality, and initiation to the sexual

[worthy haven]

ye

very much how its used in Faust

[split beacon]

so we have to talk about this like adults lol

[worthy haven]

I did put the eroticism in brackets since uh its is talked about in the context of gretchen

Fausts 14 year old lover

[split beacon]

ah, right

[bronze zephyr]

oh

[split beacon]

suboptimal

[bronze zephyr]

yike

[worthy haven]

ye

[split beacon]

it's gonna be like that sometimes with classic literature

[bronze zephyr]

mhm mhm

[worthy haven]

indeed. "ok age of marriage"

Well she is basically the picture of innocence

that Fausts utterly annihilates with his desires

[wild mango]

Just so I know for support reasons, is KK ish or KK heath better as a single unit (not in the duo)

In a bleed team ovbs

[split beacon]

Ish

[crimson spindle]

ish by far

[bronze zephyr]

ink over beloved

[crimson spindle]

specifically she has the Bleed Trigger

[wild mango]

Ok

[split beacon]

Ink Over is a ludicrously powerful pocket nuke for Bleed

[crimson spindle]

there is one exception which is that heath is better if you're running a lust-primary bleed team that expects to lose a lot of clashes

[cloud wadi]

Eat 300 bonus damage absolutely free

[crimson spindle]

but uh

why would you do that

[split beacon]

the answer, for the record, is playing Kurokumo Suicide

[bronze zephyr]

||roach monarch gregor mirror dungeon secret boss............||

[worthy haven]

Heavy CW for the fate of gretchen in Faust part 1 ||He gets her to kill her mother by accident via a sleeping potion so they can bone, her social standing degrades into nothingness due to her relationship with faust, faust gets her pregnant, Faust kills (with mephistos help) her brother which causes him to curse gretchen. While Faust is on walpurgisnacht diving into the world of darkness Gretchen gives birth and drowns her newborn due to the shame and despair of having a child out of wedlock. Getting jailed and basically commiting suicide but is redeemed and goes into heaven||

[split beacon]

where you have a team backfill after your Kurokumos get themselves killed losing clashes

[worthy haven]

suffice to say Gretchen had a horrendous fate

[stoic fjord]

I am deeply concerned as to what or who exactly is going to be Gretchen in Limbus

[split beacon]

Our Faust

[worthy haven]

right? 🙂

[split beacon]

it feels inevitable now

[stoic fjord]

I think it's fairly likely but I would also like to consider that our theories may be wrong

some of them, at least

[split beacon]

Theories are only theories

by definition, they are to be replaced when we supercede the knowledge they're based on

[stoic fjord]

fair

[worthy haven]

and it do be especially weird for faust

since atm

Mephistopheles is an Engine

and hasnt had a speaking role yet and Faustcord also makes it double whacky

[ebon forge]

I kinda wanna read Faust now

[wild mango]

Manager don doesn’t get her empowered skill 1 if priest Gregor is on the bench right?

[ebon forge]

Mephisto is gonna be scaryyyyy

[worthy haven]

Part 1 is very good to follow and easy to read even tho it is basically a giant poem

Part 2 is fucking

whacky incarnate

[split beacon]

correct

and you want empowered skill 1

[wild mango]

Ok

[ebon forge]

My main Bleed team is Mancha Don, Gregor, Rodya, Meursault, Outis, and KK Ish + Heath

[split beacon]

empowered 2 is wack

[worthy haven]

Part 2 is fausts whacky journey and can def be tough to really understand and get through

still worth a read for sure

[wild mango]

Good wack?

[split beacon]

no

worse than unempowered skill 2 in some ways wack

[worthy haven]

esp now since fucking KJH has explicitly confirmed they are also talking concepts of Faust 2 into limbus. Curse ye KJH

[wild mango]

I see

[ebon forge]

Wdym

[wild mango]

I just sharded manager don and I already have nightawls Gregor so I’m not super pressed to get priest Gregor

[split beacon]

ahh see

here's the thing

[wild mango]

And I don’t have the kk duo

[split beacon]

pregor is kinda really fundamental to making the manchaland bloodfiends work

[eternal berry]

The bloodfeast printer

[wild mango]

Oh huh

[split beacon]

his job is basically to jumpstart the bloodfeast engine

[stoic fjord]

if you're using Night Awls Gregor you're going for weird non-bloodfiend bleed build bullshit, aiui

[wild mango]

He was literally my first 000

[split beacon]

yeah Night Awls is for Fiendless Bleed

[stoic fjord]

because the bloodfiends suffer hard without their priestman

[split beacon]

OR

if we could just get another blemor unit

Night Awls would finally have a home team in Blemor/Haemorrhage

[stoic fjord]

they need to make Blemoise for the funny

[wild mango]

And like

He’s put in work

[stoic fjord]

I mean yeah probably

[split beacon]

oh yeah night awls greg is awesome

this is like

[stoic fjord]

you don't have to use the meta

[split beacon]

teambuilding optimization / theorycrafting, not "does it work at all"

[wild mango]

FULLY optimized teams yeah

[stoic fjord]

Night Awl Greg is still strong like Blue said

[split beacon]

any seven bleed units that don't suck completely are going to work

[wild mango]

At this point I’m stockpiling for sanguine desire

[stoic fjord]

I think the only team that doesn't exactly work like that is Heishou, and even then pre-season 6 rupture IDs are like. usable

[split beacon]

and the Bloodfiends can still do their job as long as you're scoring bleed damage basically

[split beacon]

Rest in peace, Devyat' Association

we hardly knew ye.

[bronze zephyr]

i miss devyat rodya

[stoic fjord]

we're gonna get new Deyvat trust

[split beacon]

(the Devyat' will see its day in the spotlight when we get a team leader ID that has some kind of hexed Courier Trunk synergy)

[bronze zephyr]

i want my devyat to be viable again, she carried me through early limbus

[wild mango]

However if we see target extraction heath im getting the kk duo

Since I have like 200 ish shards

[split beacon]

I'm sad that Butler Outis got powercrept she carried me all the way to the end of Canto 9

[stoic fjord]

aiui she's not entirely power crept assuming you're going for a team that's worse with count

[split beacon]

yeah ik ik

[stoic fjord]

because of Echoes?

[wild mango]

And enough lunacy and tickets to guarantee kk heath

[split beacon]

Manor wifi is still nuts.

[stoic fjord]

but also yeah Udjat Outis is kinda fucking nuts

[split beacon]

maybe I should get Middle Baby Bird

[split beacon]

you didn't have to post that

[worthy haven]

so Faust part 1 is even with mephistophels there still rather "grounded" and easy to follow through. It mainly is about Fausts pact with Mephistopheles and his relationship with Gretchen. In Part 2 they are incorporating political, historical and mythological themes aswell. Like in part 2 faust deals with air spirits, mephisto creates paper money for an emperor, a homonculus gets created (not by faust), he tries to resurrect helen of troy, he gets teleported to ancient greece (he meets the centaur chiron among others), he goes into the underworld to get helen of troy, the homonculus talks with greek nature spirits to become a real human, faust has a kid/relationship with helen of troy and beefs with menelas king of sparta, faust transforming coast line and a host of angels coming to him. Among other things

[split beacon]

https://youtu.be/o048xeNQ3Wo

[worthy haven]

To kinda sum it up: Faust part 1 is a kinda relatable and emtional drama and Part 2 is a really abstract, allegorical, and encyclopedic work @ebon forge

Part 2 has a lot of classic greek literature allusions, kinda like an anthology, dense allegorys and symbolism and sometimes a fairly convoluted language

I have no idea how the english translation of part 2 is since even in german its an esoteric rhyming poem which can make it tough to itnerpret and follow along

[gentle mulch]

are there any ways to supercharge ryoshu's poise without thora?

[split beacon]

define supercharge

Maidshu has good poise numbers

[stoic fjord]

I'm going to cry now

[worthy haven]

that said prob give Part 2 still a try! Part 1 all the more

[ebon forge]

So part 1 normal weirdo, part 2 multiversal war

[worthy haven]

ye

Part 2 has like 120 characters on like maybe 250 pages lo of them with single sentence mentions but still having a lot of meaning

it is def a piece of work

in the fever dream camp of classical literature

[ebon forge]

3.5e of literature

[gentle mulch]

need dridushu to get like one more poise count per cycle

i guess technically blind obsession could net me +3 per cycle if im lucky?

[split beacon]

Dridushu…?

Daiyu?

[gentle mulch]

drifter daiyu ryoshu

[split beacon]

Okay yeah

You need to use Thoracalgia

[gentle mulch]

dammit

[split beacon]

Tis a good EGO!

[gentle mulch]

it is...

[split beacon]

Not too hard to fuel in Heishou rupture either

Plus, there’s a very funny synergy with Xichun Ish as well

[ebon forge]

What synergy

[split beacon]

You can use her passive and the Thoracalgia Overclock at the same time to retreat a bunch of allies at once by damaging them, then get tons of Nebulizer Beta while switching a bunch of fresh Heishou in

[ebon forge]

Aghhh that’s funny

[gentle mulch]

that is pretty funny

i could also use BLSang's passive but WuSang is genuinely just really fun to toss around

it's like vehicular combat with him

[split beacon]

It’s like, absolutely not a thing unless you are desperate and your team is at low HP

[gentle mulch]

with canto 9

's fights lately

shit im desperate a lot

[split beacon]

But it sure is a funny escape hatch to torch your team off, get Neb B and fresh allies, and come back stronger

[keen palm]

What's her passive?

[gentle mulch]

testing out a "i fucking love attack weight" team

[stoic fjord]

hrm

[atomic steeple]

Envy pecc killer

[stoic fjord]

@bloodygawz, I think?

something like that

[gentle mulch]

cuute

[stoic fjord]

https://www.tumblr.com/bloodiegawz/795188544038731776/bloodiegawz-midterms-quick-arrange-of-the-spring?source=share

the one on the left

🔉 bloodiegawz — MIDTERMS

quick arrange of the spring cultivation battle theme

-# #gawzdrawz #gawzplayz #limbus company #lcb #jia xichun lcb #THERE we go thats the one. sorry

Tumblr · Sep 20, 2025, 6:48 AM

https://www.tumblr.com/bloodiegawz/794752082311872512/and-what-if-we-were-dragons-what-would-you-do?source=share

the one on the left

and what if we were dragons. what would you do about it

-# #gawzdrawz #limbus company #lcb #hong lu lcb #jia xichun lcb #jia yuanchun lcb #jia qiu lcb #kong qiu #<- ?? #jia huan lcb #UH #X2 ??? #HOW DO WE TAG THEM I DONT KNOW #uh xiren is also there

Tumblr · Sep 15, 2025, 11:10 AM

[split beacon]

so her passive sets Nebulizer Beta, which is a buff that gives N allies +3 poise and poise count where N is the stack of Neb Beta, each time you activate Pride A-Res, when you use Thoracalgia

she gets 1 more Nebulizer for each enemy slain by Thoracalgia or 2 more for each ally defeated by it

[keen palm]

Oh I thought you meant Xishmaels passive

[split beacon]

oh Xishmael's passive is when you're at 4 Gluttony res, if one of your units has a defense skill equipped and goes down to I think 50% health or less, they're defeated and retreat

[keen palm]

Oh huh

[neat cedar]

mood

damn

u really can do somemshenanigans with that

[split beacon]

So the stupid thing you can do is intentionally Unstable Overclock thoracalgia and hit your own teammates to force them to retreat to get Neb Beta stacks and also switch your team out, which is achievable because you can just slot a ton of Gluttony clash counters on the Heishou team and then send them home lmao

[neat cedar]

in the heishou comp

nit to mention that with hong lord

they all come.in and throw out a skill 3

[split beacon]

yeah

[neat cedar]

that'sfunny as hell

[keen palm]

Damn

[neat cedar]

"This is not a fair fight, we are fuckin jumping you"

[split beacon]

you can actually do this with any unstable overclock you want, Thoracalgia is just one of the ones that gets extra value

there are probably better choices

[neat cedar]

and also.has the better targetingnprio i think

since it goes for low hp peeps

[split beacon]

but yeah you can actually get mad fuckin' stupid with the Heishou if you're willing to use an unstable overclock to send your entire team home at once

you just have to contrive a way of missing Hong Lu

[atomic steeple]

Oh strats, does gebura save Outis from the seventh bullet?

[split beacon]

wait no, you can only retreat one ID with Lingering Resolve, so you can only get 2 substitutions max (Heishou Keenclaw + Lingering Resolve)

[neat cedar]

i. . . . don't know

[atomic steeple]

Sounds hilarious to do

[neat cedar]

something to try

god if that ismthe case

speed runners gunna prob love that

how string are geb's buffs

i forgot to check

[atomic steeple]

I think, with the resistance changing of 7th bullet, you do like 10 times more damage?
And gebura makes it unbreakable and stronger

[bronze zephyr]

if i had to guess, 7th bullet specifies that she dies, not that her hp drops to 0, so like, i think she does just die cuz thats like.. a state

[stoic fjord]

iirc ABS Faust's skill 3-2 says the same but still doesn't cancel out revives

[bronze zephyr]

happy to be proven wrong

hmm

[atomic steeple]

Nice
Plus 100 percent, coin power

This will make magibullet outis lethal

[neat cedar]

i wishbit lasted for longer than one turn

but honestly, still good

Instill think, at least for me

Morostasis is prov thr best durante

[atomic steeple]

Moros and superbia do a lot of work

But gebura is a good panic button

[neat cedar]

mhmm

and ifnwe get more allynfighta

moro is double funny

[stoic fjord]

iirc Gebura made the LCB Heathcliff 6-48 solo possible

[neat cedar]

because it.doesn't nerf allies

we're still locked to onlylike

2 per day right?

[worthy haven]

I think I might use Ira. I havent really been using any of the abilities at all so far

[neat cedar]

they're not necessary

but xan.be a life saver

[worthy haven]

yee

[neat cedar]

moro is my.fav jist because

i'm not a big ego.user

i prefer making use of my units kit to.win

and moro helps me get early advantage

[lean fjord]

it is good that we see a lot more bosses run easier patterns early into the fight, that let you gain some SP first

or even let us start with SP

[bronze zephyr]

yeah having battles start w SP is nice

[cloud wadi]

Meanwhile some bosses take sans advice about using strongest move first to heart

[faint pivot]

If you wanna dodge the fraction of a fraction of the suffering Angela is undoing: TT10 (improved speedup) + ingame timer (useful for stuff like The Train and other timer abnormalities since it works w speedup)

I guess I should've expected this much from ||a Pinky|| lmao (canto 8)

[atomic steeple]

I saw on reddit a post where Rien talks like a 2000s teenager on teh internet

[split beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624102663218528256/1462605795228258354/image0.jpg?ex=696ecd4b&is=696d7bcb&hm=c609574030c176e1f8266525324dfcc9a0a7eb6192884268454338008163d719&

[atomic steeple]

I shoulda grabbed the link

[split beacon]

Did you now

[atomic steeple]

It was such a sanity attack

[neat cedar]

trying to think what the mechanics for other "Sin coins" could be

[atomic steeple]

One of the replies was just ||gregor's sanity, "kill me"||

[neat cedar]

because the main factor seems to be they interact withnthe actual act of clashing

[split beacon]

Gloom Coins would obviously penalize whatever clashes with them even on a win, Pride Coins would be unusually strong but penalize the user if they’re broken

[neat cedar]

i can see that

hmmm

lust increase off lvl based on number of clashes?

[split beacon]

I feel like Lust Coins would have to work based on how many are active at a time or something

[neat cedar]

i could see that

what would wrath coins be . . .

[stoic fjord]

unbreakables

already red

[neat cedar]

see i wonder about that

because the other sin coins like glow

[cloud wadi]

Another tie between those two

[stoic fjord]

lashing out still even after beaten down

[cloud wadi]

||Outis means nobody. Rien means Nothing||

[split beacon]

Hermes, yeah

Oh, true

[neat cedar]

fuckin

right

fuck

[split beacon]

Okay hold on now

Hold the fuck on now

This feels like it’s too many connections all of a sudden

[cloud wadi]

Any individual one of those connections can be dismissed as coincidence

But all of them at once…?

There really might be something

[split beacon]

They both have their gimmicky device they pull out and look at regularly, they both bear symbols of Hermes, and weirdly enough, didn’t Outis make a decisive blow in killing the Nursefather of the Pinky

With her EGO

[ebon forge]

yeah i really gotta wonder what outis's connections to the index is

[keen palm]

Well Outis is related to the Gods

So her Canto will presumably be about that

[split beacon]

A thought occurs, which is that if the Gods of the City are what the Ruina artbook says they are, they're intimately and directly implicated in any War of the Wings and would definitely be some of the major movers and shakers in the sense of deciding who wins and loses and influencing the outcomes of those conflicts

Which is, of course, very Homer and very Odyssey

[keen palm]

Oh we actually know what the gods are?

[split beacon]

sort of

the Ruina artbook states that the Gods of the City are manifestation of the desires of the Citygoers in the sense that they arise as beings because the City wants them in some way

the loom of the index we saw arised from the collective desire for direction, for their lives to have purpose

[keen palm]

So a sorta separate Distortion path

[split beacon]

More I guess a way for the urges and powers that Distortion channels to manifest that isn't through the Distortion phenomenon

because they exist, there are many who don't Distort, is the way I'd phrase it

[keen palm]

Well an abnormality is a distortion and an abnormality can form due to the importance of a story

[stoic fjord]

okay so I'm

tweaking rn

[ebon forge]

ok who bets that we'll meet nietzsche

[stoic fjord]

because the opening instrumental of SAIKAI reminds me of something

[ebon forge]

in outis's canto

[stoic fjord]

and I can't actually place what

maybe it's just a common chord progression but it reminds me so heavily of something it's making me lose it

[ebon forge]

its common enough

[stoic fjord]

WAIT I THINK I KNOW

[ebon forge]

but ik wym

[stoic fjord]

YURI VISUAL NOVEL

hold on lemme check rq

I know it has a music player so I can verify

I'm 99% sure

fuck okay apparently not

hrm

this is going to bother me forever

[keen palm]

Undertale?

[stoic fjord]

nnnno

[neat cedar]

. . ..

@cloud wadi @split beacon ||i.just realized what the prescripts meant when they said that sora wpuld be Mr.rien's daughter||

Hermes sucks

[split beacon]

sure does

[stoic fjord]

what

what did it mean

[cloud wadi]

Dead

[stoic fjord]

OH

[split beacon]

yeah

[neat cedar]

yeah

[stoic fjord]

we need to kill hermes

[split beacon]

good luck with that one

[neat cedar]

god that is way more like

personally cruel

than the loom index seems to be

[cloud wadi]

Loom index is explicitly like nonsentient

But Hermes seems like a will of its own

[neat cedar]

and a twisted sense of.humor

[cloud wadi]

It is cruel and actually has a sense of humor

[keen palm]

Well the Loom was presumably retroactively the work of Athena I'd reckon?

[neat cedar]

hard to say

also

that makes

[neat cedar]

||rien's weird opposition to ren make a lot more sense and a lot sadder||

[keen palm]

I would be a lot more happy with the Index if their factional divides are the different gods offering prescripts

[neat cedar]

seems to be the vase

Devices prescriots are a lot more immedieate and simple

compared to.cloth ones

[split beacon]

it would go really hard tbh

if the Index had internal factions based on which god / prescript delivery method people follow

like are Messengers even necessary for the Index who serve Hermes?

also: this Canto

[keen palm]

Also

I do like the post credits shedding more light on how Heath and Faust are the same

[tiny cave]

Heathmael believers in shambles

The time of Faucliff has come

[ebon forge]

no it just means that ishmael now has two girlfriends

[neat cedar]

fuck man

the more i try to figure Rien out

the more i find myself running into more and more threads

Because like

off all the nurse father's

Rien stands out in that there isn't really a clear reason why he's here

[stoic fjord]

hermes said so

[worthy haven]

Damm I didn't realize the unique karmic consequence symbol

[neat cedar]

||Except that maybe, just like Faust says in her Uptie, that he didn't just decide to not follow a prescript||

[neat cedar]

tgatbis part of ir but also

every Nursefather there is ib some way a failure abd embarassment to their finger

they are something that was meant to be erased at the end of the day

||But in Rien we have a man who followed every prescript, who let himself be shaped in the image of another, who let a family he truly loved be killed. He was true as true could be to the stated goals of the index||

||But what if that was the failure. Because that is not Roland, that is not what made him.the force of nature that tore up thr city||

[split beacon]

Hermes sent him to execute a longterm plan

[neat cedar]

on the surface, yes

[split beacon]

Because it knew he’d do it

Like

[neat cedar]

but that is not related to him cosplayinh

[split beacon]

He was the only one who would sacrifice his daughter on command, presumably

[neat cedar]

none of that is needed to shape him into that

you could have a good chubk of this remain the same without that

so why was he made to do that

||From his perspective, it was to be a false father, but is that truly the case?||

||And if that was the case, why also try to make him.into an aspect of argalia when the roland thing seemed to fail? ||

Like there are too many loose threads for me to he satisfied with the apparent easy answer

Every other Nursefather was a failure.in some way

[split beacon]

Oh, actually

There’s a straightforward answer here

We know that obeying the Prescript in only the sense that you read it and see it without trying to feel out what it wants from you can be determined a failure via Index Faust’s uptie story

Maybe what it wanted was ||for him to tragically struggle and reject the loss of wife and daughter, and fully become like Roland in mind as well as in deed||

But he didn’t

[neat cedar]

exactly

||I think he was meant to reject the prescript as written||

[split beacon]

I’m seeing it, yeah

It’s a good theory

[neat cedar]

and makes him

infinitely more tragix

[split beacon]

That and the Prescript didn’t even abandon him

[neat cedar]

mhmmm

[split beacon]

In its love for him it granted him what no one else gets

A second chance

And he still failed

[neat cedar]

yerp

god

||I don't think the suicide was an act of rebellion any more . . .||

god

god

[split beacon]

He might have thought it was

But in the end it’s just like Yan

This, too, is known to the Prescript.

[tiny cave]

the prescript knows best 🙏

[neat cedar]

"Man, the index is kinda played out in the stories you can tell"

said by me, a fool

[neat cedar]

big thought expander for it is thinking avout the typical.thing greek gods are famed for

which ia being bound by fate and also the uplifting and championing of heroes

[crimson spindle]

you cannot flee prophecy, it will meet you in Samarra.

There was a merchant in Baghdad who sent his servant to market to buy provisions and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, Master, just now when I was in the marketplace I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me. She looked at me and made a threatening gesture; now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city and avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra and there Death will not find me. The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went. Then the merchant went down to the marketplace and he saw me standing in the crowd and he came to me and said, Why did you make a threatening gesture to my servant when you saw him this morning? That was not a threatening gesture, I said, it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Baghdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra.

[neat cedar]

mood

God this canto keeos getting better and.better for me

because i din't think.any of the others have had so much like

stuff to dig into

[split beacon]

Canto 9 spoilers all: Creature multiplication...

[keen palm]

I wonder what Hana fixers actually do

Like what missions do you go on at that point

Killing rogue fixers?

[crimson spindle]

i mean, yeah, or impuritas threats

remember they're specifically tasked with assaulting the library when it's getting out of hand, and they have gear that would have worked to win if Roland hadn't intervened (and if the library wasn't cheating from the start)

[worthy haven]

They also grade all the threats right

[keen palm]

Impuritas is "let the head deal with it" tho

[crimson spindle]

yeah, and it's implied through their themeing and cards that they do so with divination

rating threats by predicting the future

[worthy haven]

They also handle a shit ton of bureaucracy. If i remember correctly all fixers must report to them once they finish up a request so handling that prob also just takes a lot of their time

just centralized management of everything fixer related

office permits, licenses

and from what we see in canto 7 also stuff like providing info, setting up a command posts etc

[keen palm]

Yeah that's the thing to me

[stoic fjord]

They send Hana in against the library in LoR in Impuritas, though

[keen palm]

Can you be like a high grade Hana fixer by just being So Good at paperwork

[crimson spindle]

probably but if you do you can probably afford augments to make yourself at least a dangerously strong combatant

which you probably need to do

so you don't get jumped

[neat cedar]

^

as we see in this canto even

with enough money

and enough skill

u can bridge some serious gaps

||The fact that vespa couldn't tell where Kora was with whatever tech she was usimg is pretty fuckin impressive||

[ebon forge]

||Kira||

[split beacon]

Shaking down corps that try to mess with the Associations / muscle out Fixer business, breaking heads in offices that break the rules, caving in the skulls of Syndicates that actually threaten the system, killing Stars of the City that have picked up too much attention or too high a kill count, etc.

A lot of it presumably is about maintaining Fixer business as an institution, crushing threats to that institution from without and within, keeping up their reputation and harvesting some request money here and there because the Hana Association scoops up the jobs that have an absurd bounty attached and everyone else is outclassed by

[keen palm]

I still love the idea I had for a Color Fixer

The Brown Briefcase

the best lawyer in the city

[split beacon]

Oufi Assoc. Fixer graduate type of guy

Hmm, liquid metal, Mercury even, Hermes

[cloud wadi]

oh yeah

"Not carrying out the prescript can sometimes be the prescript's will"

per Faust's uptie

Hermes wanted him to reject hte prescript

but he didn't to the bitter end

[split beacon]

Sure didn’t

[ebon forge]

Pluto better keep his ass in the office now, or he's FINISHED!

[gentle mulch]

Hana Association's job is to just stomp out weeds, use divinatory impact, and aura farm before dying

[stoic fjord]

||https://www.tumblr.com/zetozen/805881922539716608/ilyt?source=share||

Zeto

I.L.Y.T

-# #limbus company #limbus company fanart #lcb #ryoshu lcb #ryoshu limbus company #project moon #digital illustration #drawing #fanart #anime #anime fanart #artists on tumblr #artwork

Tumblr · Jan 16, 2026, 7:34 AM

Canto 9 got me fucked up

None of the other cantos hit me nearly this hard

I wasn't up at 12 am days after finishing canto 7 thinking about it and trying not to cry as I continue to process everything

[split beacon]

Rien is Kandata btw

he's the one who fell to Hell after insisting that this salvation is his alone.

a God took a personal interest in lifting him to Heaven but he failed to understand what it really meant and sank back down to Hell

[gentle mulch]

we meet hermes in canto 10 and he's like

my bad. i didnt expect him to do all that....😬

[split beacon]

He's like "heya kiddo" to Ryoshu absolutely no context

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-caught-in-4k-caught-in-4k-meme-caught-red-handed-caught-you-gif-8043513456647096798

heya kiddo

thats on me

here's your kid back

[neat cedar]

funny thing is that is not out of character for mythological.hermes either

[neat cedar]

yeah

yeah

[split beacon]

steals anything and everything

gets called on it

"ahhhh you got me, fair enough"

[neat cedar]

i also like how this canto can be a bit of a litmus test for peeps

[gentle mulch]

how so?

[karmic escarp]

||'hey bro, i can tell youre having a crisis of faith rn, but we're chill so ill send you a sign that you should challenge the pr- oh. oh no.'||

[restive creek]

augh

[tired canyon]

Cry with me

[restive creek]

This canto has wrecked me like nothing else.

||The way Ryoshu says "Araya" when she realizes||...

FUCK I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT IT AND I STARTED CRYING.

[neat cedar]

yeeeeeerp

[restive creek]

I listen to Ryoshu's Pass On when I want to bawl my eyes out.

[fluid whale]

The VAs in this game are fuckin ridiculous

[gentle mulch]

i dont think i should describe how viscerally that canto has affected me but i do feel like im clawing at the bars of my cage crying

[neat cedar]

it's

its alot

[karmic escarp]

||you could easily convince me that they for real actually tortured choi han in the recording booth with some of the visceral ass noises they had him make for gregor||

[neat cedar]

||Choi.han is a consumate professional. He tortured himself||

I do love how fuckin

excited all of the VAs are

about their roles

seeing that Ryoshu's VA apparently rushed to finished act 3 was fun

i xan only imagine how fun an acting challenge it was to take a character that is usually so close, guard and always like

in control

and have her break

so many good moments in thsi canot but i still think

the end of act 2

is my fav for just

how unsettling it is to hear Ryoshu of all people sound like that

[karmic escarp]

it's really crazy
and they dropped, what, like 10 different boss themes too?

[neat cedar]

yeah

and they're all so fuckin good

Studio EIM fuck popped off