Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[neat cedar]

ye

[stoic fjord]

...huh? I feel like they're kind of the opposite of that

where they sort of supplant the culture of the region for their followers

[vagrant dove]

Presumably each cardinal direction has a unique organisation

[ebon forge]

albina 30 minutes later, after being inspired into a new movement:

[eternal berry]

The thing about the titles being inherited definitely leaves room for… potentially really weird picks going forward

[stoic fjord]

idk we've only seen a bit of it but I feel like they'd be like that

[cloud wadi]

Yeah I mean it’s possible western pinkies might be named after demons in Solomon’s book haha

[stoic fjord]

but also yeah we've literally only seen like

a few

and we have no idea about their organization

[eternal berry]

It definitely doesn’t seem like the “OG” generation of Stars are all in place still

[stoic fjord]

so like

[cloud wadi]

There’s gotta be more than a hundred pinkies

In the whole city

[stoic fjord]

literally anything is possible and we know approximately jack shit

[keen palm]

I hope we get something weird but we've had 2 Cantos of Pinky without any variation

[eternal berry]

(As in characters based solely off their counterparts in Water Margin)

[keen palm]

So I am allowed to be critical of the Year of the Pinky

[vagrant dove]

I will say I don't care for the Pinky much either

[worthy haven]

I mean we had the chinese inspired character into the japanese inspired character canto with the pinky being a binding thread between them. I can def feel tho having it feel a bit samey

[vagrant dove]

But we have only seen their eastern "branch', so there may be more

[stoic fjord]

okay I think this is exactly the vibe I'm going for

genuine discussion, they're still both weird freaks but it's genuine care, and it's done out of mutual interest and yada yada yada I love it when the wholesomeness is also offputting and strange from a normal perspective

[vagrant dove]

Like I don't find them all that interesting as a finger

Compared to the others

[stoic fjord]

I don't really have any opinions on them

[neat cedar]

personally

[stoic fjord]

I have opinions on the members

[neat cedar]

i don't think we know enough

[worthy haven]

ye

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[stoic fjord]

but we just don't know enough for me to make a statement

[keen palm]

https://www.tumblr.com/asters-rainfall/805912184030953472/this-is-how-they-had-dante-moving-the-entire-part?source=share

instagram sucks so I’m here now

this is how they had Dante moving the entire part 3

...

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[stoic fjord]

I'll infinitely glaze Jia Qiu

but I have no real opinions on the actual Pinky

[worthy haven]

sidenote

[neat cedar]

none of the beats we've had wirh the pinoy members really focuses on the wider organization

[stoic fjord]

yeah

[neat cedar]

which is still extrenely wrapoed in mystery

[stoic fjord]

all of the stuff with the pinky members is like

[vagrant dove]

I think we get one mention of the wider organisation by Kong Qiu

In that speech where he mentions he's gonna go visit the Mohists

[stoic fjord]

in Canto 8? not remotely about the Pinky beyond "oh shit weird oganization and they know each other and there's a caucus sometimes"

[worthy haven]

I didnt clock ||Rien was level 85. I assume we beat him mainly due to wound debuff plus him getting weaker and weaker via ignoring his prescripts. But still man we getting there!||

[cosmic gorge]

That mispell made me double take

[stoic fjord]

Canto 9? about the lady who isn't even really a Pinky member anymore

[neat cedar]

oh, lol

[worthy haven]

I do wonder if the next intervallo will be the ||Finger bow bell for ryo or if that line by rien is setting something up farther in the future||

[neat cedar]

all we can really tell from.this is that the pinky may promise some kind of freedom?

maybe?

[stoic fjord]

||I don't think it's gonna be an intervallo, just because it's so big of an event||

[worthy haven]

das true

[neat cedar]

||Farther future, if onky bcause *we need a fuckin breK||

[keen palm]

I am assuming the Finger Bow Bell will be next part of Limbus

[vagrant dove]

We need WHIMSY

[worthy haven]

ye true

[vagrant dove]

Anyway gn chat

[neat cedar]

||and j highly doubt we'll be able to.chill dealingnwith the fjngers again||

[worthy haven]

next intervallo might be ||company sponsored vacation for gregor recovery|| then

[cloud wadi]

Finger Bow Bell is a PVP enabled zone

[worthy haven]

also I dont know if this was talked about yet but

[neat cedar]

don't u mean disabled?

[eternal berry]

Who’s ready for a proper 5F ganking now that ||they’re gonna want their “concept incinerator” back||

[cloud wadi]

Enabled

[neat cedar]

oof

[worthy haven]

we have 3 cantos "offically" left but 5 boughs

[cloud wadi]

Everyone who recently talks about finger bow bell also talks about how they are gonna prepare weapons for it

[worthy haven]

double bough canto back online baby

[cloud wadi]

Everyone expects blood to be shed the next bow bell

[worthy haven]

fuck i have to check what the date is now in limbus

[neat cedar]

fun

[stoic fjord]

I wonder what direction we could even go in after the boughs

[worthy haven]

how far away are we

[stoic fjord]

like

I assume it'll have something to do with the population drop

[neat cedar]

outskirts

is my guess

the city ismhell

inferno

we need to move on

[stoic fjord]

true

[worthy haven]

and we also jsut have so much unexplored left in the city

[neat cedar]

onnthe journeynto paradiso

[cosmic gorge]

Libraryyyyy

[stoic fjord]

I feel like Limbus might not explore the entire city

[cosmic gorge]

Jorge Luis Borges told me that heaven is a libraryyy

[worthy haven]

prob

[stoic fjord]

we're not following the City as a whole, we're following these 13, 14, 15-ish, depends

[neat cedar]

which sucks

[stoic fjord]

PMoon has future games to explore the rest of the city with

[neat cedar]

but understandable

[worthy haven]

imma go insane if we dont atleast get one mention of O corp or that district

[stoic fjord]

theoretically

[neat cedar]

hopefully

somewhat likely

[worthy haven]

hopefully

[neat cedar]

limbus has been making

a good chunk of money for em

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[stoic fjord]

KJH is watching and all of PMoon for the rest of the franchise will not mention O Corp or the wing

[cosmic gorge]

Distortion Detective prequel

Game

[stoic fjord]

just to fuck with you specifically

[neat cedar]

and if nothing else they've made conmectiona withnhypergryph

so they cpuld.potentiall licensce out a game to them

if el director can let go of the wheel enough for that

[cosmic gorge]

Kjh runs a tight ship, so someone else taking the reins for the plot of a spinoff are.low but never zero

[stoic fjord]

Single ludonarrative disconnect and KJH terminates the contract immediately

[neat cedar]

innhis own words he's trying to leaen to potentially ease uo on that

and if they want to make those other gamed

they def need to learn that skill

[stoic fjord]

I believe in him but also I feel like he needs to find a balance

Such that the franchise is preserved in terms of vision, scope, intent, etc.

[neat cedar]

[cosmic gorge]

Edgerunners style spinnoff

Where its an up and coming fixer crashing and burning

[neat cedar]

wonderlab woyld yabe been so good for tgat

😢

[cosmic gorge]

@@@@@@@@

AAAAAAAA

[stoic fjord]

Fuuuck

[cloud wadi]

Edge runners but the City

[ebon forge]

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH\

I NEED PARTY EVERLASTING HONG

[stoic fjord]

why

the fuck

does MD Normal

not bring sinners up to level anymore

I swear it did

did I forget to change it off of normal

am I just tweaking

[fluid whale]

It brings them up to 55, unless it's not doing that?

Level cap for the MD is preserved

It is possible you haven't switched it off hard though

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah I just didn't switch off of hard lmao

behold

I am doing a base LCB run in MD Normal in preparation for my future masochism

[tired canyon]

||Canto 8: confucius beats the everliving shit out of a nihilist for 3 hours before one shotting Andrew Tate||

[stoic fjord]

this is merely the start

I will be doing far worse eventually

yo okay some of these mfs got some movement

[tiny cave]

Does the base roster even get you any of the 5+ identities ego gifts

[stoic fjord]

no lmao

only two bleed, uhhh

[tiny cave]

I think there’s a bunch that have rupture

Sinclair, Greg, Outis all have it

Hong Lu has it

Is it only 4? If so lmao

[stoic fjord]

they're one short of tremor as well

Heathcliff, Ishmael, Meursault,

wait

did I miscount

okay yeah they're two short of tremor

1 short of rupture

[ebon forge]

"future"

[stoic fjord]

it's only MD normal

so it's literally not even a challenge

[ebon forge]

joke didnt land

[stoic fjord]

sorry :(

[ebon forge]

if i had a val meme i would post it rn

[stoic fjord]

a what

[ebon forge]

valencina

[stoic fjord]

ohhhhhh

okay

[split beacon]

February 985

[worthy haven]

tyty!

[stoic fjord]

the LCB sinners carefully calculating the least impactful effects to inflict with their skills

fucking defense skill power down. ishmael. are we fr.

is this a game to you

spoiler that

[split beacon]

-# by Sixgoooooood

[neat cedar]

ya know

something that is

actually hilarious to think about

people shipping dante and vergilius together

just because of the context of why Vergil is the guide in the OG dante'a inferno

[cloud wadi]

Please enjoy this highly relevant epilogue music for canto 9

||https://youtu.be/lrscdXiKnWc?si=1k2CtFGBRCloBxTP ||

[keen palm]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjyDRXVux9Q ||

[split beacon]

So I guess ||Hermes|| turned out to be the Lord of Horikawa in the end?

If you think about it?

[tired canyon]

we know that the order of power of the sinners goes
Don Quixote > Outis > Ryoshu > Meursault > Faust > Hong Lu > Rodion > Heathcliff > Ishmael > Sinclair > Yi Sang
what the FUCK is up with outis that she is in between||
a scion of caine and a reality eraser||

[cloud wadi]

She covered wars you know

[split beacon]

She’s a war hero

Remember how insanely tough Valencina is?

[tired canyon]

she has shin and two relics

[split beacon]

Yeah and Outis would’ve put the boots to her, medium style, at her full strength

[cloud wadi]

She also ||manifests Mang during her Disposal move||

Two rings at that

[uneven canopy]

||took her being drunk, off her game, and facing molting gregor to get chomped||

[stoic fjord]

||Me after I fight some fuckasses and their color fixer chaperone and then one of them turns into bug Satan and instantly kills me||

[tired canyon]

i still want to know what demian did

to pop NINE RINGS

[cloud wadi]

He’s just really that good at manipulating his own emotions

[tired canyon]

the closest we got to that so far was 5 rings

on perfect conditions

[cloud wadi]

He has achieved a transcendent level of enlightenment

[keen palm]

Mang is an Outskirts Power

Demien is an Outskirts Boy

[wild mango]

is MDH just in general harder than MDN? (Like buffed enemies and such)

or is it just that you gotta have your sinners at 55+

[lean fjord]

mostly it's just that you don't get free levels

you also have to take two enemy buffs each floor, but you also get two gifts

which IMO mostly makes it almost easier

there's also one fusion for each keyword you can only make in MDH

[tired canyon]

nooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AAAAAAAAAAA

[split beacon]

It’s mostly easier

Once you’re on-level anyways

[wild mango]

Ok

[cloud wadi]

You get two ego gifts so you get powerful more easier

Enemies also become more powerful faster

[ebon forge]

mdh is straight up easier lol yeah

f5 is easier by a long shot imo

f10 is about the same?

[cloud wadi]

But that only really becomes an easier when you start hitting like

[ebon forge]

f15 is hell

[cloud wadi]

Floor 8

You can’t even get to f10 on normal

[ebon forge]

f10 as in,

it feels about the same as mdn f5

[cloud wadi]

Ah yeah

You also can’t get the more powerful ego gifts on mdn

[ebon forge]

then again i dont really play anything but super nuke max starlight f15 when im not griding

[neat cedar]

Honestly like

several characters fill out several roles depending on how oyu look at the story

it's a very neat way of doing things

[split beacon]

mhm

[neat cedar]

also

funniest bit of realization about Rien

||He just straight up lies to jamilla for no fucking reason||

||"Oh i've made you suffer unduly because i'm not that good with a scythe", and then later on we find out that the scythe is quite literally HIS MOST FAMILIAR FUCKIN WEAPON||

Ryoshu got her fuckin sadism honestly i see

[split beacon]

oh lmfao

true

[neat cedar]

so many fuck8in layers to this fuckass

god i hate him but i also love him

crazy

insane

how i've done an 180 on this guy

[ebon forge]

All the Nursefathers have some fucked up lore

Like

[neat cedar]

or is it more a 360

tru

[ebon forge]

Wdym Val has a relic that can see the FYCKING FUTURE

[neat cedar]

but I still think Rien is the most interesting one

by a good margin

especially when the entire community reaction to this bumble fuck is

[ebon forge]

I wonder if they managed to recover her eye

[neat cedar]

"IS THAT THE BLACK SILENCE"

[neat cedar]

oh 2200%

ain't no way dias is lettign a relic slip thropugh her fingers

[ebon forge]

limbus community is 0 reading comprehension except when they have the most meme of memes ever

I don’t know how

It’s like

Absolute dumbasses

Then they lock in and do the deepest analysis ever for a fraud meme

Freud, fraud, same thing

[neat cedar]

i will also say

Canto 9?

probably the best translation of OG novel to the game

and that one is by like

leaps and bounds

[ebon forge]

isnt it doing like

Two interpretations of the book

At once

With Yoshihide and Yoshiriende

[neat cedar]

not so much that

as it's like

taking the structure of unreliable narrator

and replacing that with unreliable information

not just the bit with ryoshu's memories, but also what we the player is being told about the situation, what characters are directly sayign vs what they actually mean

[ebon forge]

Ohhh yeah

Like how we see Lucio being tame and then they’re actually plotting revenge?

[neat cedar]

mhmmm

but then on top of that

[ebon forge]

Or the thing about Rien and the scythe

[neat cedar]

||When he's finally given the chance to actually take the life he hates so much, a clear chance than any. . . he reverts back||

[ebon forge]

And Dias’s plot, the fact the raid was intentional even though it’s portrayed as a sudden freak show?

[neat cedar]

||Despite all of that rage and hate, eh is willing to head to what I'm sure he knows is certain death than disobey valencina||

[ebon forge]

||yeah it’s interesting how he works||

[neat cedar]

the way this canto plays with like

domestic abuse

and the twisted ways it plays on emtoions of love, care, resentment, and so on

is so fuckin good

||Ryoshu hated her mother, but she also loved her. RYoshu hated Rien, but also lover him too. and vice versa is also the case, or in the case of Rien, his love could not outweight his faith, no matter how much he seemed to wish it did||

||Both things can be true, just like a spoon can also be a fork, or a fpoon||

[ebon forge]

Lmao

Also

Which ID do I get?

• Gripper Faust

I’m not gonna build tremor until I have EVERYONE else

[neat cedar]

depends on you honestly

[ebon forge]

Or Meursault gets tremor canto

[neat cedar]

like what are you building ofr?

[ebon forge]

Rn I want BL Fau, Meursault, or Pequod Ish

[neat cedar]

if ur planning to do an envy res team

heathqueq is a very solid pic

[ebon forge]

Mostly to complete my poise team with actually good IDs

[neat cedar]

same if you're planning to do blad elineage memes

then ye

blade lineage sault and don

huge priorities

[ebon forge]

My envy team rn. I don’t use it so it’s a bit outdated

[ebon forge]

Hmmm, can I set Don as backup

[keen palm]

I do like the aspect of the Canto of being forced to understand your parents as humans so you can see where you lie on the scale of generational trauma

Since Ryoshu is ultimately almost as bad a parent as the Nursefathers despite her intentions to be better

[cloud wadi]

Father Bradley copy

[neat cedar]

I can see that in like, a metaphorical since maybe

but in actuality

nah

not even close

Liek ryoshu is nit a perfect parent

but she is nowhere xlose to any of the nurse father's in terms of neglect or abuse

[ebon forge]

id almost argue completely against that

yeah, she was imposing herself onto her, and she was like, not treating her the best

but also

you cant really compare Ryoshu to like, Valencina

at all

and Matthias straight up doesnt care for Kira beyond that superficial performative fatherhood

or how the Pinky NF blamed an innocent for literally everything and refused to acknowledge that it was everyone else's fault for subjecting her to caring for a child she didnt want

Ryoshu's entire act was being the best she possibly could, which you can't really do well when you dont understand that your ability to feel time is completely abnormal, and when you're forced into using stuff that'll make you forget your own daughter and everything that happened with her as a living concept incinerator, plus when your whole world was being abused

[tiny cave]

Beatrice in the chair

[keen palm]

I mean you can definitely compare Ryoshu to the Nursefathers

She robbed her daughter of her entire childhood with one act of selfishness

She loved her daughter and in their own weird ways the Nursefathers loved Yoshihide, and each one of them was broken in their own special way that they ruined their child

[ebon forge]

huh?

[keen palm]

in an act she thought would help her daughter because it helped her, she destroyed her daughters life

[ebon forge]

yes, lkke i said, this straight up isnt her own fault

[keen palm]

Because the safe worked for her just like how for the nursefathers whatever they did worked for them

I mean it is though, she did it

[ebon forge]

i mean

she doesnt know

[karmic escarp]

||she didn't know it would have had that effect on her. perhaps a stupid assumption on ryoshu's part, but it's not like she had any way or reason to test it out beforehand. not to say it wasnt a bad call but||

[keen palm]

She still did it, and in doing so ruined her child.

[ebon forge]

like

that doesn't make her a bad parent though.

[keen palm]

She assumed her child was just like her and failed to take the child being a seperate being into account

Just as the nursefathers did

[ebon forge]

and yeah, Araya also has similar capabilities

the thing is, her whole intent was to save her

that doesnt make her a bad person necessarily

[keen palm]

But the result is still there

Regardless of intent

[ebon forge]

what im saying is that the end effect and the reasoning are different

she's a good parent who failed because she straight up couldnt know

her goals were to save Araya, BUT it is because of lack of knowledge that lead her to hurt her

[keen palm]

Yes

[ebon forge]

and the thing im saying is that doesnt make her a bad parent

that makes her a good parent who made a mistake too big to amend

[keen palm]

So then the Nursefathers are good parents

[ebon forge]

no?

[keen palm]

Their intent was also to be good parents for the most part

[ebon forge]

the thing about say, Valencina is that she LITERALLY just abuses her children

[keen palm]

Even Valencia was trying to make Ryoshu The Best in a world she knew to be violent and cruel

You look at Valencia and you can see even she cared

She was just a fundamentally broken human being

[ebon forge]

yeah but the difference here lies in the overall means of which they did things

like

Valencina literally beats children

Matthias straight up stabs his own child

[keen palm]

And Ryoshu locked her child in a time prison that robbed her of her entire childhood

I did see that

[tiny cave]

Damn didn’t realise Vespa’s VA had done so much

[keen palm]

The multiple SpongeBob actors in limbus

[ebon forge]

which Ryoshu didnt know would act as such for her

[tiny cave]

KJH is a SpongeBob fan confirmed

[keen palm]

Okay but it still did. And thematically and narratively that was still her mistake

[ebon forge]

the difference im trying to note is that sure, Ryoshu did fuck up massively, but it's like she was trying to give her medicine, and didnt know that she needed a different dosage

like, the thing is, she wanted to save her, and took all the steps to actually do that

[tiny cave]

Oh wait the voice actor for Greg also voices Mr. Krabs

Wild

[keen palm]

Yeah

[ebon forge]

it failed, but for reasons out of her own control and knowledge

[keen palm]

The big meaty claws line in Hells Chicken is in the original Korean

[ebon forge]

which is unlike beating/stabbing your own children

[keen palm]

As a reference

And I am saying that even accidental abuse, even unintentional abuse, is still abuse

Callisto still abused Ryoshu despite just wanting to share his interests with her

And Matthias still abused her despite wanting to provide whatever she wanted

[ebon forge]

Callisto, I will say, needed to learn boundaries, well intentioned person who failed as a parent

and Matthias is less a parent and moreso a self-centered person who used Ryoshu as a means of self-gratification under the guise of love/affection, since everything he did was just a means to getting only what HE wanted, without respecting that people arent just material

[keen palm]

But Ryoshu did the same thing!

[ebon forge]

Which is why he's not a well intentioned person, or a good parent at all, because all his intentions were self-centered in its whole

[ebon forge]

huh?

no?

like, once more, Ryoshu's fault lies in lack of knowledge, rather than true internal flaws she could amend herself

[cloud wadi]

I do feel like that was the best of the worst decisions available

I would argue staying in the spider’s house knowing that Nursefathers were planning on killing Arya would be being a worse parent

[ebon forge]

Their role was to slit the throat of the Captain they respected most, parade their lifeless torso around for 2 hours, and confess their sins to whomever they came across.

also

does anyone know what abno this could be?

[keen palm]

Ryoshu found joy in living vicariously through Araya, in giving her the things she could never have, in teaching and being taught in turn, and by providing her whatever she needed to be happy and healthy

[cloud wadi]

Probably a branch office abno

[keen palm]

Bringing her into the House in the first place was an act of selfish selflessness

[lean fjord]

Don't think it's one we've seen before

[cloud wadi]

Yeah but at the same time I would say leaving her to die alone would have been somehow more selfish given the options

[keen palm]

She had effectively infinite funds and connections to do anything different

To get her adopted or get her a home

But she didnt because she didnt want to

Because she wanted a daughter

[ebon forge]

im pretty sure the Nursefathers gave her Araya deliberately

[keen palm]

They didnt make her do anything

She chose

They just knew she would

[ebon forge]

as in, putting her into a situation and mental state where she would

[cloud wadi]

Also because all of her connections were to high ranking gang members who variably wants to kill araya, exploit araya, or use her to control Ryoshu

[ebon forge]

it's also like, if you were having your own humanity cut away every day, and you got something to keep your own humanity, would you not take it?

[keen palm]

I just think its really reductive and against the themes of the Canto to just write off the Nursefathers as "abusive and bad" and Ryoshu as "not abusive and good" when Ryoshu is clearly portrayed as a flawed parent in her own right and the final send off the Nursefathers being Ryoshu fondly reminiscing about them

[ebon forge]

i really just dont think ryoshu is a bad parent

she's flawed, but not bad

[cloud wadi]

Nah Ryoshu probably was a bad mom from an objective standpoint

[keen palm]

She ultimately is because her daughter turned out depressed, suicidal, and stuck in the House

[cloud wadi]

But subjectively

Given the circumstances

She did her best with what she got

[ebon forge]

yeah

[keen palm]

Yeah, and thats generational trauma

And one of the themes of the Canto

[cloud wadi]

Generational trauma is the theme of the mili song

[keen palm]

Is being a broken person and trying to be less broken for the next

[ebon forge]

im looking at her from the point of "someone within the spider house"

[cloud wadi]

“How can I show you love when I don’t know what that means?”

“But if you need nourishment I’ll bleed for you.”

[ebon forge]

like

[tiny cave]

Should have given Araya to Mersault

[ebon forge]

I believe Callisto really just couldn't play the role of a father, since he doesnt know much about it at all, really

he should've been a teacher

he wouldve made the worlds best teacher, imo

[keen palm]

https://youtu.be/L_BE85hCSDU?si=-PxdWlWfzYjqbmt-

[cloud wadi]

|| Bridge]
What do I know about love?
How can I recreate what I've never had?
All I know is that I must keep you thriving
If nutrients are what you lack
I will water you with every drop of blood I have||

[ebon forge]

he's uninspired, but he's a perfect textbook of knowledge, design knowledge, and full of willingness to teach and explain things

[keen palm]

None of the Nursefathers wanted to or were able to be parents but had to be anyway

So they fucked up

[ebon forge]

he did want a kid though

[keen palm]

He wanted a friend

[cloud wadi]

Between the five ||of them thy managed to create one decent parent when they were supposed to be creating a mindless killer||

So uh

Good job I guess

[ebon forge]

but yeah, a friend would be more accurate to it all, but he did state it as a kid

[cloud wadi]

Most of the Nursefathers except Matthias and Dihui wanted a kid

[keen palm]

Yes but even for him and Matt, the role was forced on them

They didnt get to choose

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[ebon forge]

it's basically a bunch of people in a position they didnt want to be in

i dont blame Shiomi for crashing out, but the direction of her crashout was wrong

[keen palm]

And it means a lot to the story that the position they were forced to be in was Parent

[ebon forge]

the kid couldnt make the decision to bind her there

but the people above could

[cloud wadi]

Wonder if there is a mirror world where spider’s house became a true found family by healing each other’s flaws

[ebon forge]

there's infinite, so probably

[cloud wadi]

No wait that’s just ruina

[ebon forge]

lmao

[keen palm]

I am also looking at this through the knowledge of what the author is like

[ebon forge]

thats so true though

[keen palm]

Because KJH had an abusive mom and has stated she was abusive to him

So I think even then you have to reckon its not going to be clear cut and its going to be messy

Because its someone's actual feelings on abuse

[ebon forge]

im also reading this from the pov of someone who has been neglected (me) and abused (me, but not necessarily by parents but the people who i held onto like such)

[keen palm]

Same!

[cloud wadi]

Like

[ebon forge]

and from the knowledge that people who have been abused often have a kind of love for them (Nyalra, I read his posts on his experiences a lot)

[cloud wadi]

It’s probably true that Ryoshu’s actions were probably the most logical and safe bet to make given what she knew

But even if that’s true

That doesn’t change the fact that from Araya’s perspective it was abandonment

The hurt’s still there

[keen palm]

Yeah

She still destroyed her child

Even with the best of intentions

She still continued the cycle

[ebon forge]

yeah i find that i dont really blame my parents for being bad parents

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[ebon forge]

but moreso recognizing i wont be staying with them

[cloud wadi]

Ultimately the ||chain was broken by Araya choosing to forgive||

[tiny cave]

The chain was broken by Lord Ayin breaking the cycle and allowing ||Araya to manifest EGO||

[cloud wadi]

Even though Ryoshu doesn’t deserve it or want it

Which again is a whole plot reference to ||end of ruina lmfao||

And fits with the overall plot of limbus

“Can you forgive this sinner?”

[tiny cave]

nah i can't forgive ||rodion|| for ||having a bad canto||

she remains on the naughty list

[ebon forge]

lmao

[keen palm]

She literally is on the naughty list

[ebon forge]

what the fuck did sinclair do tho

(i forgot his canto)

[keen palm]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-limbus-company-ricardo-the-middle-gif-7709803166138573443

[ebon forge]

and yi sang is kinda just really gay and lazy /j

[tiny cave]

he told kromer about his family's underground goon cave

which sort of directly lead to them being slaughtered and his village getting burned by n corp

[atomic steeple]

Sinclair fumbled demian for kromer

[keen palm]

Yi Sang is directly responsible for multiversal amounts of suffering because he was too stuck in his own mind to do anything about it

[keen palm]

Upgrade tbh

[tiny cave]

sinclair fumbled demian for xichun, huge upgrade

[keen palm]

True!!!!!!! Get that money white boy

[ebon forge]

hong lu's sin was existing lol

[keen palm]

But yeah, Sinclair and Yi Sang are sins of inaction that led to horrible suffering, as well as sins get to come for Sinclair

The mark of Caine is the mark of a murderer

One chosen by god to kill

[atomic steeple]

Sinclair has fucked up thoughts /s

[keen palm]

Sinclair is also just so racist

[tiny cave]

true like ||I want to hold hands with both don AND xichun||

[keen palm]

Just a horrid little racist boy

[ebon forge]

what.

[keen palm]

Okay abelist I guess but racist is funnier

[atomic steeple]

I can see him calling dante "one of the good ones", leading to an awkward silence

[keen palm]

Racist Wakka bits turned to Racist Sinclair bits

[atomic steeple]

"Praise the Hammer, brudda"

[keen palm]

The Jamacian accent replaced by moe stuttering

No wait actually youre right

Keep the Wakka voice

Brudduh I'm the one who will grip

[cloud wadi]

Wonder if the serious inquisitors of n corp would have powered armor

And mech suits

[tiny cave]

i AM the one who grips

• hohenheimsenberg

[cloud wadi]

To keep pace with augmented bastards

[atomic steeple]

There are genetic treatments

[cloud wadi]

I guess tattoo enhancements and whatever augments people get to enhance strength are okay

[keen palm]

Vespa was a grade 1 level

And he was just a dude

[ebon forge]

what if they just drink steroids

like

a lot of them

[cloud wadi]

I thought that was crazy at first

But after seeing a ||decisive weapon||

[keen palm]

I mean you can presumably train a recruit in a dozen combat styles by having them drink the experience of training

[cloud wadi]

I can see why wings consider even grade 1 fixer to be smth they can just throw aside

[atomic steeple]

Hermann probably got a high position in n corp by offering her genetic engineering

[cloud wadi]

Dias also clearly considers her handpicked legion of fixers with the best gear to be expendable assets

[keen palm]

Hermann also like

Presumably knew about what she knows now

When she was at G Corp

[cloud wadi]

The Light…

[keen palm]

So she is inexplicably at current one of the most knowledgeable people in the world

[cloud wadi]

It is curious that her|| Decisive Weapon is specifically noted to be unrelated to the light phenomenon||

[keen palm]

Well 3 of them weren't

1 of them is still related to the potential of humanity

[cloud wadi]

G corp singularity must have been something beyond just genetic engineering

I don’t think we actually understand h corp singularity either now that I think about it haha

[keen palm]

And the primordial state of being that is tied to the boughs and Light

Also

5am

I must sleep goonai

[atomic steeple]

Goo night

[ebon forge]

@split beacon quick question, who would the other distortions mirror in the sephirot

i can see elena barely from her key page

and Pluto is too fucking obvious

[cosmic gorge]

Why are ya'll sleeping at 5am

Is this what life living untethered by the demands of an extended family is like

[ebon forge]

3am

i feel like Oswald is the opposite to Gebura, on first sight

he's so... "just laugh it all away"

hmmm, a world where nobody needs to better themselves for the sake of others

[cloud wadi]

Geburah’s fundamental truth is the courage to protect

The desire to protect the weak

[ebon forge]

ok yeah thats phillip then

[cloud wadi]

So her opposite is Tanya actually

[ebon forge]

or wait

[cloud wadi]

The “strong eats the weak” mentality

[ebon forge]

hmmm yeah you're right

i only have key pages to work with rn

[cosmic gorge]

I havent reached all the highlights of canto 9 yet but ||how much gebura or lack yhereof is there||

[ebon forge]

none.

[cloud wadi]

Oswald is hmm

[ebon forge]

in the sense of ||actually discussing it in depth imo||?

[cloud wadi]

Oswald is “nothing is real, there’s no point in understanding, just join in the laugh since everything is a joke!”

[ebon forge]

yeah, he's very nothing is real

[cloud wadi]

So her opposite is Tiphereth who really wants the Glory and for there to be some meaning in meaningless deaths

[cosmic gorge]

The ||Malkuth pull messed with the expected Geburah sefirah unlock no||

[cloud wadi]

No ||Ira was unlocked per plan||

[ebon forge]

yeah it id

[cloud wadi]

Despite ||Malkuth being unlocked early||

But it means we can canonically split the party now

Which allows for some interesting story telling

[ebon forge]

it probably messed with when exactly

[cosmic gorge]

Ahh

[ebon forge]

would you say it might be the opposite to materialism?

[cloud wadi]

No it’s opposite to existentialism

[ebon forge]

hmmm true

[cloud wadi]

He’s opposite to any and all attempts to finding meaning to existence

Or imbuing meaning to existence

And thus is the opposite of existentialism

[ebon forge]

yeah true

im tryna wonder if malkuth would count

since she represents the material world, the whole of assiah

[cloud wadi]

She’s the opposite of Phillip because he represents the denial of material reality

Don’t look

Don’t hear

Don’t talk

[ebon forge]

good point yeah

[cloud wadi]

Just isolate yourself

[ebon forge]

ima bit tired

[cloud wadi]

Malkute

[ebon forge]

bwuhhhhhhhhhhhh

Netzach is "endurance," the fortitude, and patience to follow through on passions. It is paired with Hod as the righteous attributes related to group interactivity, with Netzach being leadership, the ability to rally others to a cause and motivate them to act; while Hod is community, the ability to do the footwork needed to follow through on ideas and make them happen.

i think netzach being a total fucking drunkard makes this description kinda funny

i dont know much about him but it's just funny

[atomic steeple]

Hey, want some totally cute and wholesome, no sadness canto 9 fanart to brighten your day? Totally not tragic and heartbreaking
||https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qflfwm/mother_and_her_daughter_by_camo_mile_nflow_on/||

[ebon forge]

ok so bremen is cut and clear "seeking for infinite pleasures"

fucking Eldar-ass distortion lol

[lean fjord]

So the pairs of Uninvited Guests are
||

• Malkuth and Phillip
• Yesod and Eileen
• Hod and Greta
• Netzach and Bremen
• Gebura and Tanya
• Tipheret and Oswald
• Chesed and Jae Heon
• Binah and Elena
• Hokma and Pluto
• Roland and Argalia
  ||

[ebon forge]

hmmm

Netzach and Bremen?

then again, there is no victory in any world of bremen's

[lean fjord]

Their conversation is about art IIRC

[ebon forge]

mmmm

"looking for new colors everyday, sinking deeper and deeper into debauchery for a form of new art"

im unable to really reference netzach as a character rn

so im just tryna figure stuff out as i go

[cloud wadi]

Netzach is a drug addicted depressed man who nevertheless found the courage to persevere

[ebon forge]

yeah makes sense

[lean fjord]

Bremen had similarly lost their reason to live, but found it again in wanting to recreate the Pianist's music

[ebon forge]

i need to sleep

night now

also

interestingly

i presume the whole family that is the library make da'at

[lean fjord]

Though the dialogue with Netzach is more of a soliloquy haha

Since Bremen can't talk intelligibly

Which is also part of it

[ebon forge]

icic

hmmm damn i need to play ruina

[lean fjord]

It's pretty good

[atomic steeple]

I wonder what the lines in ||the gregor node mean
Void, total annihilation
Dreams of things that never should dream||

[cloud wadi]

She probably injected ||him with a whole damn singularity for all we know||

Do you think Don ever thought about using hard blood art to craft figurines of popular fixers

[vagrant dove]

seconded

ruina has one of the best stories in gaming

https://tenor.com/view/roland-lolang-library-of-ruina-lor-gif-3404051265727826411

[eternal gull]

thirding this

[tiny cave]

Fourthing, go buy it and play it

It’s on sale during PM’s anniversary iirc

[faint pivot]

Fifthing this

Ofc this is the PMoon channel we're gonna shill their games lmao

[tiny cave]

i'm not shilling lobcorp lmao

[faint pivot]

I imagine that Sonya's title plaque switches between yurodivy saint and literatuer from time to time

...hehe, tis true, but perhaps one doesn't need to
||Messengers seem prime targets to Distort after all. I'm guessing InFau's UT story is supposed to tip more of the Index' hand to us - the foreshadow to Hohenheim's view on Callisto was cool, but having a Messenger fake prescripts after both causing one to Distort and attempting to recreate a Certified Badass (alongside creating a wholly new one) tells me that the Index needs all that force for something in the future. That future is probably the Second Smoke War and/or the massive population drop but yeah, they're preparing for something big.||

He clearly hasn't needed it before

||If Udjat Outie's UT story and Jamila's death is any indication, Hermes' favor is pretty effective!||

Wait

Is W Corp. called WARP, or Wayfarer?

[cloud wadi]

Wayfarer corp is the aspirant w corp

The one working with Dias to engineer another wing war

Current w corp’s name is unknown but is presumably WARP

[faint pivot]

Ah, I thought so

[atomic steeple]

You know, the music for ||muga ryoshu|| is similar ||to Someone waits for me|| in Parasite Eve

[faint pivot]

Hang on

What year was Roland born

And do we have a year range on when he was operating as a kickass grade 1 fixer

If ||prescripts are predictive I can't help but wonder if Rien was shaped into the false father before the original finished taking shape||

||Pal's hair is graying after all||

[cosmic gorge]

MDH Sinking Team

do i put Oudjatis or Despairodya first

[cloud wadi]

He’s like early 30s

So yes

||Rien was pretending to be him long before|Roland even started his fixer career||

[faint pivot]

Charlie you might as well extend that spoiler to cover the whole message lmao

It does nothing with the context

There we go

Anw

I can practically feel ||Hermes staring at us in the eyes. Seemingly it's trying to tell us something.||

[cloud wadi]

||Rien’s furioso also suggests that he’s meant to also be a copy of Argalia||

||the scythe is Argalia’s weapon||

[faint pivot]

Ah ofc

I'm guessing that ||Rien was sent to do this because he fell short of both||

He ||missed a few ingredients that lead to him being ineffective in comparison and was sent to be discarded, like how it had Faust toss out that Yan 2 it tried to cultivate||

I wonder ||what happened to its Mang and Shin testbed||

[atomic steeple]

This song from parasite eve
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI6TcRuU6M8||

[cosmic gorge]

beat MFY with a 🔱 🐟 🔁 into a Koi Koi

[worthy haven]

||The flavour text on the scythe also kinda implies he met iori right?||

[dusty sigil]

Comic by @ Quka404, translation by @ koshi_lowell

[barren flame]

Prowler theme dot wav

[atomic steeple]

Kiramael meets a badass fixer
Library of ruina spoilers
||https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qg08s5/a_comic_where_kirashmael_meets_a_badass_fixer_by/||

Ah fuck, already posted

[uneven canopy]

||https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1qg6tcf/the_biggest_returning_character/|| canto 9 ending spoilers

[vagrant dove]

||malkuth and yi sang have great taste in pens||

||or well, Elijah at the time of that sprite||

[atomic steeple]

So, lets speculate on bad end ryoshu
The waw likes poise, burn and bleed, and tallies a buff based on damage, plus a passive that increases crit damage. Lots of fights like good clashing (though you can't bring ryoshu to all of them. So I can
||Plus the final boss is vulnerable to bleed and burn. Though the bad end id prolly won't be straight up head empty masterpiece ryoshu, the way she and the house of spiders were meant to be a pit where things are forgotten and sink eternally. Also she was meant to be a concept incinerator|| Plus, the dieci we know are sinking and use gear based on a relic that consumes knowledge for fighting
Oh also the dimensional cutting of dihui had a burn effect
So I think poise, bleed, burn, and sinking are candidates, with burn and poise at the top of possibilities. It will likely have bonus damage conditionals

[vagrant dove]

burn/poise is prob the best bet

wouldn't be upset to see some sinking though

[uneven canopy]

did a bingo ||still technically incomplete||

[vagrant dove]

did we have an ||enemy use Ardor Blossom Star?||

[uneven canopy]

||we did get the moth itself||

[vagrant dove]

||true, guess that counts||

also we haven't seen the blue man group in a while have we

wonder if they'll crop up in Meursault's canto

[atomic steeple]

"Against minus coin enemies, consume sinking to restore their sanity"
Funny lil idea
Or "negative sanity enemies restore sanity by sinking on clash", thus you force enemies to neutral sanity, then ryoshu overwhelms their skills through sheer clashing

[atomic steeple]

Does ||sonya count||?

[vagrant dove]

||ehhhhh, not an official member I think||

||he knows abt them evidently, but he's not Blue enough||

[uneven canopy]

||sonya's a rogue sign, he's got his own thing for now||

[vagrant dove]

you know he's kind of an outsider in regards to two groups with blue as a primary colour

[uneven canopy]

it kinda seems like ||sonya didn't know about the awakening until he was told by nelly||

[atomic steeple]

He deals with dubious groups, one known to be at odds with his faith

Which I guess fits book sonya, since old timey values would see prostitution as non Christian, but she was righteous and faithful

[uneven canopy]

whether this could ||also be shared with the blue man group, idk||

[vagrant dove]

I do hope we get more stuff about them

bc rn they're very uh

vague

[atomic steeple]

Demian will pop up and explain meursault lacks the mark

As he didn't kill as a revolutionary act

He killed because he had a stoic breakdown

[vagrant dove]

truke

[vagrant dove]

we are prob gonna delve into more of N Corp though, which is very interesting

since they're set up to be our biggest enemy

[atomic steeple]

Plus, they are obsessed with humanity

The concept behind the laws of the city

Learning about their concept of humanity, means discussing what it means to the city at large

Under the head

[vagrant dove]

yeah

[atomic steeple]

Thus, we will learn about the head to some extent

[vagrant dove]

this is such a fucking long meme lmao

[dusty sigil]

The account recreating 2016 memes with PM stuff is

An account

[vagrant dove]

like it shouldn't be funny

[cosmic gorge]

esoteric

[elder wigeon]

What fucks me up is that they are so authentic

they feel exactly like they were made in 2016

[dusty sigil]

Them treating Gregor as the “guy character who’s hotter then all the girl characters” feels so, authentic

He’s their speedwagon

If Limbus came out in 2016 he would be treated that way

[elder wigeon]

I was in the pre-release Limbus fandom days, they were indeed kinda giving them that treatment

[dusty sigil]

Shit they were?

Goddamn

[vagrant dove]

oh fuck 2016 was a decade ago

i just had that fucking realization

[dusty sigil]

Technically only 9 years

But yah

[vagrant dove]

https://tenor.com/view/no-im-dead-dying-fading-away-gif-14391476816569280373

[dusty sigil]

We’re father away from 2020 now then we were in 2016

[elder wigeon]

Not to a huge extent but there's a reason why the irl cockroach accident exists

[dusty sigil]

The what?

[stoic fjord]

I don't even fuckin wanna know tbh

[cosmic gorge]

greg has the trappings of a tumblr sexyman (non-Oncler conforming)

[vagrant dove]

he does actually

[dusty sigil]

He does

[vagrant dove]

he's a few degrees of seperation away from the spamton archetype

[stoic fjord]

your words are hurting me

[vagrant dove]

this conversation is what you see when you look at CENSORED without the cognition filter

but yeah

horrifying revelations about the march of time and gregor's status as a tumblr sexyman aside

looking forward to that ryoshu bad end id

[stoic fjord]

should be out sometime around april, right?

[vagrant dove]

hopefully

[dusty sigil]

My current thought is ||Ryoshu as the Dihui Star, and Araya as Ryoshu||

[vagrant dove]

that would be neat (tm)

[bronze zephyr]

Hm if I get lobcorp what qol mods would I want

[stoic fjord]

I think the one that tells you how many points in attributes your employees are getting would be good

also maybe the one that tells you exact work percentages

if you are so inclined, the one that indicates if an employee will instantly die if sent to work with the abno

[bronze zephyr]

Nodsnods

[stoic fjord]

@dusty sigil for you

[fluid whale]

I mean Rien is also Horikawa, a person with power using misleading language to destroy Yoshihide through the creation of the Hell Screen

[split beacon]

Also true

[stoic fjord]

everyone is everyone in canto 9

[fluid whale]

Somehow even the monkey is more than one person

[split beacon]

Canto 9 is kind of a fractal Hell Screens situation yes

[fluid whale]

I wonder if my enjoyment of the canto was unduly colored by seeing the ||Dihui Araya theory|| because the foreshadowing just gets heavier and heavier as you go forward

[dusty sigil]

Thank you my friend...

this will feed my family (me) for generations (until the next Heathmael art I find)

[bronze zephyr]

||Kira|| intervallo…..

[atomic steeple]

Surprised we don't have the servant from hell sceeen

[stoic fjord]

||after Canto 9, I honestly see Lei Heng almost a bit like Ricardo, in that like. bro genuinely isn't that bad, especially in comparison to the rest of his Finger||

[neat cedar]

also

very

vrry bad sign

that kira ish has short hair

[gentle mulch]

oh true..

[keen palm]

is it?

[neat cedar]

The reason ish keeps her hair long

is because queequeg liked it

and while other ish's have styled her hair diff

none of the other ones have cut it

[vagrant dove]

Conversely;

[vagrant dove]

||yeah, Lei Heng may be an asshole, but he has one or two decent qualities, at least||

[dusty sigil]

||he was nothing if not blunt with Ryoshu in a way that the nursefathers never were||

||Just saying the quiet part out loud||

||“They’ll use your daughter as bait in a trap”||

[split beacon]

tbh I feel like when the Nursefathers are so bad that all the Fingers antagonists look better in comparison

[neat cedar]

||I mesn he also tricked her into drawing her sword needledsly||

[split beacon]

that really just says the Nursefathers are that bad that the Fingers tried to dispose of them

[vagrant dove]

Yeah

[dusty sigil]

Oh yah I’m not saying he didn’t trick her or manipulate her

[neat cedar]

🫡

[dusty sigil]

I’m just saying ||that he immediately recognized why they let her keep her daughter||

||and told Ryoshu exactly why||

[neat cedar]

gotcga

[keen palm]

I don't think he tricked her, he was just like "But I wanna SEE though"

[dusty sigil]

Yah that’s also true lol

[vagrant dove]

Yeah Lei Heng has kind of a thirst for battle

[neat cedar]

I mean he did trick her

[dusty sigil]

The way it’s told, he was just really insistent lol

[dusty sigil]

That’s also true

[split beacon]

Lei Heng is very obviously into fucking around and finding out

[neat cedar]

^

[vagrant dove]

Hell he dies because he fucked around

[neat cedar]

it's especially telling

[split beacon]

like even when he's finding out, until it's literally a mortal screwup, he's still excited

[neat cedar]

||thatbhe tried to domit again||

||and rightfully gets told to piss off for it||

[vagrant dove]

He also tries to bait her to do it in Canto 8

[neat cedar]

mhmm

it shows that to him

Ryoshu was prob

[split beacon]

dude was born to ragebait, act a fool, and cause problems

[neat cedar]

little.more than a curiosity

at the end of the day

[dusty sigil]

His sottocapo just points him at problems and he annoys them until he’s allowed by thumb conventions to kill them

[split beacon]

his essence as a character is being a childish free spirit

not in the sense of "n'awwe babygirl" but like, one of those characters who just doesn't really care about or regard the consequences of their actions

lol, lmao type of guy

[dusty sigil]

The second it’s made clear there’s no way he gets out of canto 8 alive, he just takes one last smoke and lets Jia Qiu hit him at hard as he can

[keen palm]

I think in that case it is specifically "If you wanted to kill me you shouldn't hold back"

[dusty sigil]

Yah, and like, he is right

Ryoshu absolutely could have killed him if she unleashed her sword

[keen palm]

Ehhhhhhhh

[dusty sigil]

Ok maybe not absolutely but like, she would have had a chance

[vagrant dove]

I meant more his introductory scene, where it seems like he is just trying to press her buttons and ragebait her

[keen palm]

Oh no that's just him being a dick

He was genuinely happy to see her

[split beacon]

Also I think it's mad funny how Leisault said what he said about the House of Spiders because it implies that Capo Meursault in the World of the House of Spiders is a pre-existing character now

[neat cedar]

||I still have no fuckin idea what to make of the fuckin smiling friends bit||

||I already kicked the bucket||

[dusty sigil]

Ghosts are real

[split beacon]

||It's pretty self-evident IMO, Ryoshu isn't literally seeing Lei Heng she's just understanding her thoughts through Lei Heng's voice because he was the only person who was completely deadass with teenaged Ryoshu||

||And she's now being deadass with herself for once||

[dusty sigil]

Also that

[keen palm]

Lei Heng survived and was in the room and no one saw him

[vagrant dove]

They grew him a new head

1 k corp ampule trust

[neat cedar]

||I wanna believe that but also thr sinners are like . . . connected ti death.in a weirdnway through the canto||

||So part of me wonders if it's more thannthat||

[split beacon]

it was all a sleight of hand; Lei Heng's Shin was strong enough to take that hit easy but he left a dead body double behind so people would think he kicked it while he got ready to throw Ryoshu a surprise party at the House of Spiders

unfortunately Rien ruined everything so he just bummed around to give Ryoshu life advice and then leave

[neat cedar]

fuckin rien

[vagrant dove]

OI YOSHIHIDE

HAPPY BIRTH-

Hwat in the hell is going on here?

[neat cedar]

do u think the prescripts had him make his own suit

[vagrant dove]

-lei heng canto 9 real quote

[stoic fjord]

genuine IDGAFer with that one imo

[split beacon]

realest IDGAFer Lei Heng vs fakest IDGAFer Rien

[stoic fjord]

being an IDGAFer is not necessarily about not reacting or feeling

but simply accepting what happens without giving a fuck

exactly

[dusty sigil]

It’s awesome how the second the terms are made, he just takes a smoke and then says “hit me”

Dude was ready to have his blown off

[neat cedar]

Lei Heng was nothing if not truw to himself

[ebon forge]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G-41MD6XMAEoTHv.jpg:large

Meurlover2

[vagrant dove]

I do like how his last words are basically like he's just lost a hand of poker

[stoic fjord]

bro knew it was happening and decided to farm as much aura as possible while also being nonchalant before it happened

[ebon forge]

Made two fucking years ago

[vagrant dove]

"Ain't that a real motherfuc-"

[split beacon]

Lei Heng looking at this fucking house

[dusty sigil]

Farming aura was his top priority

Simple as

[neat cedar]

i'd also act like that when my foe reveals he has a fuckinnfull house in hand

[stoic fjord]

he sounds more like he saw his opponent reveal a royal flush than like he's about to have his shit blown smooth off with 5 mang

[split beacon]

tbh I feel like all the characters who had a chance to leave the House of Spiders did so with abandon

[vagrant dove]

Him and Jia Qiu were in an aura farming contest

The whole canto

[stoic fjord]

lowkey I think they tie on that front

[dusty sigil]

It is hell after all

[vagrant dove]

Jia Huan and Gubo tried to join in but failed miserably

[stoic fjord]

in part because their aura is like. different directions of aura

like

Lei Heng is cool for a lot of the same reasons as Jetstream Sam

[vagrant dove]

Wise mentor aura vs idgafer lone swordsman aura

[neat cedar]

amd the rest of the Fingers

are apparently

worse

:^)

[split beacon]

every single Finger swordsmanship tutor after they leave the House of Spiders

[neat cedar]

this wasnjust the bum.ass w
hole.they through their bums into

[stoic fjord]

whereas Jia Qiu is cool because he's jacked up wise Confucius with a sealed away E.G.O and is teaching others the way of humanity

[ebon forge]

inb4 FemMat is all a ploy and we get Callisto Rodya

[split beacon]

you know what's mad funny

[dusty sigil]

It’s so funny how they must’ve seen it as basically a retirement home for finger wash ups

[stoic fjord]

I'm currently debating on if I'd like Valencina Rodion more than someone else more fitting for her

[vagrant dove]

To be clear: i think Jia Qiu has his own flaws, but that battle where he forces Hongler to actually honestly answer the question is still peak

[stoic fjord]

because like

[dusty sigil]

Like, no one there besides maybe the Dihui Star would have any respect from their former finger

[stoic fjord]

ouuughhh

[split beacon]

the Sinner versions of the Fraud Duo are literally sick with it and demonstrate that they're better at using the equipment

[stoic fjord]

but also Molar Outis exists

and perhaps Rodion is more fitting for Olga but also Molar Outis is good

[vagrant dove]

Gubo's too much of a bum, it drags down Jia Huan by association

[neat cedar]

it is both peaj

and is funny inncontext of

[lean fjord]

Jia Huan couldn't do Aweshu's funny trick either
because their mindsets are not the same

[neat cedar]

"My guy your friends are being beaten to litetal.death"

[split beacon]

also real shit

[dusty sigil]

Matthias was a suspected traitor, Valencia was the shortest reigning sottocapo in thumb history, Callisto was a hack and Rien was an index so emotions have nothing to do with their roles

[stoic fjord]

tbf, Jia Huan is genuinely kind of GOATed in terms of being a sword user, and doesn't go for flashy stuff

[neat cedar]

"ANSWER THR DAMN QUESTION!"

[split beacon]

N Corp Ryoshu, in the context of Canto 9, is a really upsetting ID

[stoic fjord]

indeed

[vagrant dove]

N-Corp Yi Sang and Ryoshu are also just much more in concert than Gubo and Jia Huan, who don't seem to like each other that much

[neat cedar]

yeeeeeah

[keen palm]

The fact you can see what Ryoshu is doing means she's a worse swordsman than Jia Huan

[split beacon]

you know Jia Huan isn't doing Judgment Cuts right

he's just using the power of Awe, Contempt to make it look like that

[dusty sigil]

Yah I just thought looking at the sword hurt

[vagrant dove]

I think Huan will be far harder next time round honestly

[stoic fjord]

okay there I disagree

[dusty sigil]

Because it’s the awe in awe and contempt

[lean fjord]

I'd say they just focus on different aspects of the abno

[neat cedar]

mhmm

[stoic fjord]

I think they're either on par, or Ryoshu is better

but Jia Huan is not that much of a fraud

[vagrant dove]

Which probably makes them far more effective

[stoic fjord]

Jia Huan is doing the contempt bit, Ryoshu is doing the awe bit

in terms of what they're leaning further in on

[split beacon]

like Ryoshu is definitely the superior swordsman

[stoic fjord]

Ryoshu's entire thing is farming aura and being cool

[dusty sigil]

Wait, between the sword and the sheath which is awe and which is contempt?

[neat cedar]

[stoic fjord]

my guess is that contempt is the blood-red sword inside and that awe is the golden lattice sheath

because that just makes sense to me

[split beacon]

the sheath is awe and the blade is contempt

[dusty sigil]

Ah that makes sense yah

[neat cedar]

yez that tracks

[stoic fjord]

okay cool my gut instinct is literally perfect

[dusty sigil]

Sick

[split beacon]

source: one of those hides the other

idk I'm going with what feels right

[dusty sigil]

Ohhhhh

[dusty sigil]

Oh

[stoic fjord]

my reasoning is that gold is inherently like

[neat cedar]

it's an abno

[stoic fjord]

flashy

and it's a complex pattern

[neat cedar]

thry are somewhat interpretive

by default

[stoic fjord]

whereas the sword is simple, gleaming red

contempt, boiling away under the sparkling sheathe that is the awe or whatever

[neat cedar]

nit even a true blade

just a stream of pure vitrol

[split beacon]

but yeah like, Awe being the gilded flashy coating and Contempt being the sword of boiling blood feels right

it's made of blood btw it splashes and flows when Ryoshu wields the inner blade

[neat cedar]

Yi Sang is also

really fucjin good

at killing his buddies

[vagrant dove]

Seriously speaking, I like Jia Huan a lot and hope he gets more development and screentime because there's a lot of interesting stuff there

The contempt he aims at Hongler is clearly a massive case of projection. He can't really reckon with his brother's death- as someone put it, if he Jia Baoyu had been good enough, it wouldn't have happened

[split beacon]

which is why she can do the Fell Bullet parry

[stoic fjord]

Yi Sang is also an artist at heart like Ryoshu and can work with her better I think

[worthy haven]

but the non oracle Proxies do seem to despise Rien aswell

[stoic fjord]

I genuinely don't think he really blames Hong Lu for what happened, moreso just doing it because the alternative is that he falls into the spiral of blaming himself

[vagrant dove]

What growing up in H Corp does to a mfer

[dusty sigil]

I mean they do after he fails the prescripts

[stoic fjord]

which is what you're saying I think

[dusty sigil]

We never see him interact with one before the epilogue

[worthy haven]

hm tru tru

[neat cedar]

i think they were.just telling Rien it eas hopeless

[vagrant dove]

Yeah that's my line of thinking as well

It's deflection and projection

[gentle mulch]

it's called

the tunnel effect

[split beacon]

goddamnit

[stoic fjord]

I also really like him

[vagrant dove]

His passive spells that out very clearly

[neat cedar]

Jia Huan is a very neat character

and so is Gubo

[stoic fjord]

mhm

[neat cedar]

gubo and yi.sang have such a fucked relationship

my.god

[stoic fjord]

under all the fraud posting we must understand that these are two very interesting characters who we are genuinely excited to see more about

it's just also funny to give them shit relentlessly

[vagrant dove]

Like there's a decent man buried under the thinly veiled self loathing and hatred of the world around him- we see flashes of it in like, Hong Lu's memories and with his sanity type

[dusty sigil]

Also man, I just imagined the sinners having to ||babysit Araya in a different timeline and I got really sad||

[dusty sigil]

I’m honestly holding out a tiny bit of hope Jia Huan can be, maybe not converted but at least reasoned with

[vagrant dove]

Unfortunately he works for fucking N-Corp

[stoic fjord]

I feel like he's actually quite similar to Hong Lord, but perhaps not so hopelessly lost down the same path

[neat cedar]

i've seen

so much House of spiders but happy posting

[stoic fjord]

and I honestly think that it's possible that he doesn't stay with N Corp

[split beacon]

when's N Corp Interlude

[dusty sigil]

His reasons for despising Hong Lu are unironically kinda reasonable, but they’re also no longer reflective of Hong Lu

[neat cedar]

so much

[split beacon]

cmon

[dusty sigil]

Next canto

[dusty sigil]

I will make that world a reality

[worthy haven]

We still havent seen literally any member of the Nail right? Atleast like spelled out being part of the Nail

[neat cedar]

yeah

like

most if canto 8 was me going

oh i see why he hates Hong Lu

i fuckin hate hing lu

[ebon forge]

Toxic yaoi

[vagrant dove]

Without our metaknowledge of why Hongler was the way he was, II also feel like hearing "people die (shrug)" in response to your questions about what the fuck happened to your brother would probably sour you on someone

Jia Huan just cannot move on, which is the problem

[atomic steeple]

Nope, none

[stoic fjord]

it's genuinely insane

also I might be part of it seeing as I'm currently working on a fanfiction of Albina and Callisto being a genuine daughter and father artist duo who are still fucking freaks but also genuinely have a shared passion for art and Callisto is a respected Maestro because he uses all his technical skill to take genuine inspiration from the human body

[worthy haven]

hmhm

[stoic fjord]

I have been thinking about this entirely too much

[neat cedar]

people like trying to make family dynamics work

[stoic fjord]

this wet cat of a man so desperate for validation and connection makes me want to write him as a happy and healthy person

at least relative to the city

[atomic steeple]

Every kid with a dysfunctional family ever

[stoic fjord]

my family is plenty functional

mostly

[vagrant dove]

I am really hoping we encounter him more

[stoic fjord]

I'm ngl it's probably 75% me refusing to ever communicate with anyone

anyways that aside yeah I want Callisto and Albina to be happy and such