Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[ebon forge]

omy to use the concept incinerator id with rainbow coins

(Gay people can delete you trust)

[karmic escarp]

||ahhhhh.... my gregor :'(..... rest easy my king.........||

[split beacon]

he needs a nap

[ebon forge]

Ryocliff…

[split beacon]

potential man is very tired after showing 1% of his potential and needs to do an eepy sleepy

[gentle mulch]

||oh my god pablo has a tear||

[keen palm]

What if hes just dead for real

[split beacon]

we'll just wind back the clock then?

[keen palm]

And hes just permanently unselectable

[gentle mulch]

||PABLO IS...CRYING||

[split beacon]

the pain is acute and unceasing

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-cry-falls-to-my-knees-fell-to-my-knees-shout-gif-939045163748049478

[atomic steeple]

You can borrow my contempt awe ryoshu

[gentle mulch]

||How do people do Valencina without Moros to burn out the Odin Eye||
like i get the mechanics i dont need them explained to me I'm just wonder how I was supposed to do that with hopeless clashing and impossible evade values

[atomic steeple]

At least aweshu attacks the sinners to lower their health

[split beacon]

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2012083573051072512/vid/avc1/1920x1080/rrKTx4WCGoWLlMid.mp4

new ID trailer dropped

[atomic steeple]

Goddamn

[karmic escarp]

||oooooooooh...||

[split beacon]

she mentions a "mama" instead of a papa

[ebon forge]

MAMA HEATHCLIFFE?

[gentle mulch]

MAMA RODION STOCKSSSSSD

[split beacon]

alright gang, who amongst our sinners is Ishmael's mom in the Middle

[gentle mulch]

Ahab still

[ebon forge]

pffft

Ok but let’s see

[gentle mulch]

Sinner no. 14
WE GOTTA CATCH THAT WHALE
AND SACRIFICE OUR DAUGHTER

Rodion and Ish in Liu and Middle relationship be my everything pleaaase

[ebon forge]

We have Ryoshu, Outis, Faust, Don, and Rodion

Of those, Ryo and Outis are very unlikely

Same with Don

So it’s Faust and Rodya

I’d like for a Faust to stir things around

[keen palm]

Its gonna be Rodya

[ebon forge]

But it’s gonna be Rodya…

[gentle mulch]

||please tell me this id means kira is alive...||

[atomic steeple]

So some members of the index ||get to learn there are multiple gods behind prescripts, abd the names of whichever they follow||

[ebon forge]

Shameeeeee

[keen palm]

Shes an immature glutton

[ebon forge]

Val Rodya could’ve been absolute fire

[split beacon]

I have a weird instinct that the World of the [x Finger] IDs are gonna be less horrible than their Nursefather counterparts

[ebon forge]

UNLESS

[gentle mulch]

Rodion would absolutely kill her middle brother nad sister for a special sword

[keen palm]

Outis Valencia most likely

[split beacon]

it's gonna be Valencina Outis though innit

[ebon forge]

Mama is not an ID and KJH is fucking trolling us

[ebon forge]

Probably

She does have the most logical connections of them all

But I did want the nuclear wasteland rodya id

[keen palm]

I wanted more Rodya cleavage 😔

[split beacon]

I mean the thing is

We already know about Rien Sang

[keen palm]

Oh wait middle id right

[tiny cave]

Middle Great Sister Rodion soon trust

[split beacon]

also voy whatchu smokin

[gentle mulch]

Oh god we're gonna get a itty bitty rolandlite

[split beacon]

The Middle don't wear clothes

[ebon forge]

Man I was hoping Heath would get the Matthias ID

[tiny cave]

Or Jikan’s office Rodion

But probably unlikely to get Walpurg Rodion so soon after the last one

[ebon forge]

Or Mattcardo

[gentle mulch]

another faust id for the masses

[ebon forge]

Yeah the only logical option rn is Rodya

[tiny cave]

Do we think Ashura Ryoshu is gonna keep the purple coin gimmick

[gentle mulch]

no lol

can you imagine

[tiny cave]

Not even on an S3-2?

[gentle mulch]

there's a mild chance we get a single coin of it

like on a defense skill or something

[tiny cave]

It would be silly but also

Funny

[gentle mulch]

but it would be funny tho

[atomic steeple]

Yeah ||he barely does anything except maim bodies. Which the ring does, but he can't do anything beyond that. Plus, ring members often use esoteric technology in creative ways. Callisto can only twist bodies or add prosthetics, which are common in the City. Plus, he has this annoying composed demeanor, trying to sound sophisticated, which other ring members do but with unique touches of passion. He however overplays the sophistication||
And finally, Corporism doesn't fucking exist. It is not the name of a real art movement
Ryoshu also notes his manikins use cubism, I think

[gentle mulch]

Uwahhh I used to disguise myself as other people all the time as part of my training.

[keen palm]

Well he can very obviously do stuff beyond that considering he is able to make big cool swords

[tiny cave]

I do hope they ||keep all her skill names the same as her base skills, just like the fight||

[gentle mulch]

me too

[ebon forge]

I wanted to do the voice and then I choke up

[gentle mulch]

lock in

you can do it

[keen palm]

I think the big thing about Calisto isnt his art, since i dont think we can really claim his art is uninspired from a ring perspective

[tiny cave]

I thought Corporism was meant to be Corporatism

I.e. it’s soulless cash grab art

[keen palm]

Non

[gentle mulch]

did the ring nursefather get cast down because he just sucks shit at art

[ebon forge]

I tried to do a lime then I got fucking poisoned and died because I was too eepy

[keen palm]

No

[sudden arch]

my bet is on ||Queequeg||

[tiny cave]

https://philpapers.org/rec/STRACT-3

[keen palm]

Its subtle but I think the reason he got cast out is that he is doing art for the wrong reasons

[split beacon]

"corporism" would be the study of the body's physical form and its components and interactions but uh

uhhh

that's just anatomy dumbass

[gentle mulch]

ah fair

[keen palm]

Callisto desperately wants to be understood, and is constantly doing art so other people can approve and notice

[tiny cave]

No Corporism has apparently been the subject of some papers

[keen palm]

He is not making art for art's sake

[atomic steeple]

||Had to save vergil's ass from gregor's skills||

[tiny cave]

https://scispace.com/pdf/against-corporism-the-two-uses-of-i-1og49wgehf.pdf

[keen palm]

He is making art so people will talk to him and understand him

Its why he is so distracted even by criticism

Because he is so desperate for the validation of a conversation

[split beacon]

you'll note that the term "Corporism" is used here as a coining

[gentle mulch]

||my bet on a ryoshu bad end id is her as rhe new dihui star, could be the second one, or it could be the third after she fails to maintain muga and stays with rien||

[split beacon]

it's not a mainstream term with an understood specific meaning

[tiny cave]

Yeah but this was written in 2009

Which is relatively recent but still old enough that it’s not like a made up term

[keen palm]

Yeah its stilk a thing

That exists

[split beacon]

I don't think it particularly matters when the coining was done if no one else uses the word that way

I can only find the one paper that uses "corporism" in that specific metaphysics sense

[keen palm]

I do think the funny thing is that all the nursefathers suck shit at being their fingers

[split beacon]

fpoon, I know

but yes very funny that they are all literally frauds.

[tiny cave]

Though it’s also been used as ”corporatism” apparently

[keen palm]

They aren't frauds they just all suck at being in the gangs rhey picked

[split beacon]

like, genuinely in-universe these guys are poorly regarded by the members of their circles

[keen palm]

They are all still him

[split beacon]

nah

they might've BEEN him

but they are no longer him

[tiny cave]

Valencina was HER if you believe anything about what she says

[keen palm]

If you are a star of the city you are him

She still was her

[atomic steeple]

Context
Never knew theywent to a club?

[tiny cave]

I find it hard to believe that she stood a chance against the other G-Corp abominations then got one shot by ||Greg||

[keen palm]

She just fought vergilus for like an hour

[split beacon]

she's a rusty old drunk now

[tiny cave]

Rolex is at least skilled enough to mimic Roland’s techniques even if they’re imperfect

[keen palm]

The Nursefathers are all stars of the city

[split beacon]

do we know that

Rien was once

[keen palm]

Yes

If level 85 and able to par or beat colors is not star then what the fuck is star of the city

[tiny cave]

What bums are SotC in ruina lemme check

[keen palm]

A fucking insurance agency

[split beacon]

technically the only people we saw Rien fight and win against in this Canto are fodder

[gentle mulch]

isn't the grade one fixer a sotc or is he in the urbana

[split beacon]

Dong-Hwan is indeed sotc

[gentle mulch]

fraudulent

[keen palm]

He is also the one explicit star of the city

[tiny cave]

Thumb 1 & 2
Blue Reverb
Liu 2
Cane Office, the original fraud trio
Index Proxies
Red Mist
R Corp 1 & 2
Distorted Yan
Purple Tear
Xiao

[split beacon]

no no

I'm doing a stupid post here where I wind up to say sotc might not be all that

[gentle mulch]

sotc is a wide spectrum of power huh

[tiny cave]

There are three colours, a distortion and awakened ego Xiao in SotC

[split beacon]

by mendaciously asserting that Rien has no feats and is a scrub

[keen palm]

I am not going to go along with this bit then because it is a genuine opinion and I am tired of it

[tiny cave]

Alongside some bums

[gentle mulch]

because all riens feats are literally identity fraud and assprescript pulls

[split beacon]

Rien is LITERALLY a fraud

[gentle mulch]

like actually fraudulent in the most literal sense bro is NOT roland

[split beacon]

he tried to steal an identity that's not even worth anything because no one knows who he is

[keen palm]

You say that like he wanted to do it

[ebon forge]

i have an idea

so

[split beacon]

okay in that case Hermes can also be a fraud

[ebon forge]

id design

[gentle mulch]

"how does this benefit the index hermes"
"zhHiuaym_"
...
[Lol.]

[keen palm]

Im going to bite people

[split beacon]

or like

I guess Hermes is the one committing fraud

Rien is just an accomplice

[gentle mulch]

Is Rien just an object to fraud then

[ebon forge]

we have:
top/bottom skill, enemy targetting, using EGO, defense, clashing, unopposed, clash count, debuffs/buffs, ally targetting, backup sinners

[keen palm]

Rien became a star of the city using a fighting style that isnt his and is chosen for him at complete random

[tiny cave]

“I like Lolang”
“Could I be anyone else? Ayin maybe? The blue reverb? Someone cool?”
“No lol, you must suffer as I have”

[ebon forge]

to determine what kind of skills or things we can do

and resources, ofc

then i had an idea

Hariga EGO

anomaly EGO, which acts as a way to directly change shit up

acts as a 6th in the ZAYIN, TETH, HE, WAW, ALEPH lineup

doesnt actually do EGO stuff (might consume resources, idfk)

but it gives you two big buttons to press

[gentle mulch]

Will of the City: woahhh the black silence's anonymous husband is soooooooo cooooool
How it translates: Change your name and copy his every story beat looool

[tiny cave]

Clearly the prescript told him to cosplay The Black Silence and he thought that meant Lolang when the prescript wanted him to cosplay Angelica

[gentle mulch]

estrogen could have saved her

[ebon forge]

or it said black silence and it said "angelica"

and he typed in angela and didnt realize

and now she has blue hair and pronouns

[split beacon]

anyways real shit the only person in this canto who could actually be described as a bum is Kim

bro didn't feel like showing up to work I guess

[tiny cave]

The Green Deliverance on his way to rip Angela in half

[ebon forge]

wait

gay

gayin

holy shit

ayin is gay chat

wait a sec yin = feminine

[split beacon]

true Hokma patriots posted this

[ebon forge]

ayin is a transfem lesbian????

[tiny cave]

It’s me, I’m the Hokma patriot

[ebon forge]

holy shit hokma is trans????'

trans hag supremacy???

moses x hokma onfirmed frfr

(chat im fucking dying help me)

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-dies-lifelight-life-light-smash-gif-25701465

[split beacon]

I thought asking if you were OK might be rude before

[atomic steeple]

||Bugman gotta wake up to justice||

[gentle mulch]

they really said he was gonna be a part of the raid and then???????? where the fuck was he

[tiny cave]

He was claiming their bones

Have you ever noticed that when the apprentices die there’s no bones

[gentle mulch]

did he get turned into an art piece from jump like?????

[split beacon]

||They're gonna teach Gregor how to do Stinger and Danse Macabre fr fr||

[tiny cave]

It’s because they were already claimed

[gentle mulch]

ohh fuggggggcchhhk

[tiny cave]

Actually now that I think about it

You see a hole in Matthias’ chest

And no bones

[gentle mulch]

and no bones...

[tiny cave]

Honestly would have laughed if we got a Kim stage where he’s still level 40 and only uses Yield My Flesh

Against level 85 enemies

[gentle mulch]

Go on

win the clash

"is it supposed to be this easy to kill you"

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084

[split beacon]

unlimited bones

but no bones

[gentle mulch]

wait

so

entry in the HoS works on a cipher pattern

it's not entirely random but it is randomized in a sense

what if he's just???

in a ditch

like in there still

[split beacon]

bro got teleported to eeby deeby

[tiny cave]

Fighting the palm nursefather

[gentle mulch]

got sent to the timeout closet

[ebon forge]

also

[gentle mulch]

i would genuinely cackle if they said "uhhh uhh he was having an even MORE auraful fight off screen in the canto"

[ebon forge]

is it just me or are sang and ryo's seasonal EGOs kinda just alright

[tiny cave]

Comes back as “Tianjiu Star Blade Kim”

[atomic steeple]

||liu id vergilius||

[tiny cave]

Sang’s is his first multi coin EGO which matters because BL sang’s +coin power isn’t base skills only

[ebon forge]

works, actually, unironically

[atomic steeple]

||She gets hermann's other arm||

[ebon forge]

yeah true

this is cool asf

[gentle mulch]

they're triple status

[ebon forge]

grows a bit slow though

[gentle mulch]

i dont expect them to be like

crazy except for md

[ebon forge]

bit, as in, it'll take like 5-6 turns to pull this off, depending on the team or so on

[tiny cave]

As for the egos themselves
Sang’s is just a high damage multicoin WAW, the unique effect is whatever and the passive is whatever

Ryo’s is fine for soloing

[keen palm]

Didnt they say Kim wasnt ready yet

[ebon forge]

one sec lemme calculate

[tiny cave]

Also the awakening being 35 upfront rather than 10+10 per turn for 3 turns is brutal

[atomic steeple]

In one flashback, she mentions getting augmentations on the eyes

[tiny cave]

When it’s a 4+3 you can lose so much damage

[gentle mulch]

but aura

[neat cedar]

isn't it just 30?

[tiny cave]

Oh right just 30

Still going from 45 to 15 when you start flipping sucks

[atomic steeple]

Don insinuated it, ryoshu told her to finish the thought

[gentle mulch]

(I'm still not replacing C/A because that passive on Dridyushi is nuts)

[neat cedar]

but ye ,while yi sang's ego is mainly a big burn nuke

being able to apply up to * more potency in a round

is pretty solid

shattered world is neat for what it is

ryoshu's ego is similar to greg and hong lu's

use it once for set up

[tiny cave]

I guess burn was kinda lacking a big nuke EGO?

Both 4MFs are pretty outdated as far as big nuke egos go

[neat cedar]

not really

MB is a big nuke

[tiny cave]

Oh right MB5 is AoE

[neat cedar]

i will say

https://youtu.be/6v2UuzLBMrw?si=A-42EqYH0rlXfl8C

did not expect this level of energy from ish

but she does in fact

make it work

[ebon forge]

at maximumpotential

it deals 193 per character

or 1.35k

[neat cedar]

are you calcing the dmg bonus into that?

[karmic escarp]

||fuck off man||

[ebon forge]

every bonus yeah

minus the passive

[tiny cave]

I appreciate she has the sword on her back and pulls it out when damaged

Only to put it away again

[ebon forge]

wait

made a mistake

[tiny cave]

Uses it just for one swing on her S3 lmao

[neat cedar]

rulke of cool fighting style

[tiny cave]

Surely this is a burn ID though

With those flaming daggers

[neat cedar]

||Kira was burn bleed, i expect the same here||

[tiny cave]

I’m predicting bleed/burn for middle

[ebon forge]

made a fat fucking mistake

[tiny cave]

So she’s gonna have awful bleed count as is tradition

[neat cedar]

also

shout out to

mama

[ebon forge]

it would deal 306 instead at maximum maximum potential

at ts4

[neat cedar]

so Middle rodion or outis on the way

[tiny cave]

Middle Faust

[neat cedar]

lol

[mystic ermine]

Hey
chat

I have a thing to share

[karmic escarp]

||PLEASE||

[ebon forge]

because she rolls 6, 5+5+10

[karmic escarp]

PLEASE JUST GIVE THIS TO ME

[ebon forge]

THEN

[tiny cave]

Ego time

[neat cedar]

6+5+5+15

[tiny cave]

Clash his non unbreakables and you should win

[ebon forge]

15 yeah

but the calc i used included that

[mystic ermine]

So, Rien means nothing in french, right?
you know whose else name means nothing?
Ayin

[ebon forge]

198% + 30% + 50%

[split beacon]

Ayin's name doesn't mean "nothing"

[ebon forge]

rien means "of the sea"

roland means "famous land"

[neat cedar]

it means both nothing and of the sea

so yeah

very nifty mirroring

[mystic ermine]

I thought that Ayin was the concept of nothing from the... uh... I will probably butcher this
Kabbalah?

[ebon forge]

ayin is just a letter meaning "the eye"

[mystic ermine]

In which language?

[ebon forge]

latin

[neat cedar]

French

Nothing is french, i guess latin of of the sea?

[split beacon]

neither, it's a proto-French thing and like all etymology posts on the internet is dubious

[neat cedar]

mood

[mystic ermine]

No, I know that rien means nothing in french
I
Literally speak the language >:(

....not very well, actually
let me
translate that one more time

just in case

before I make a fool of myself

[ebon forge]

wait im confusing myself rn

[atomic steeple]

||Arrogant master tengu ryoshu||

[split beacon]

but no, Ayin is not a Kabbalah thing, the void you're thinking of is probably ein sof

[tiny cave]

Oh is that why it’s “the eye facing the fear”/“the eye facing the future”

[bronze zephyr]

im so delerious rn im fighting the final boss of c9 w my friend its 3 am

[split beacon]

lmao probably

[ebon forge]

ok Rien is latin-greek in origin, for "of the sea"

[mystic ermine]

Yes, no, you're right
Ayin doesn't have anything to do with nothingness
huh, where'd I get that from

[tiny cave]

Hard to see skills through tears just click winrate

[bronze zephyr]

its been 8 hours

kSDBFKJDS

[karmic escarp]

i was a fluent speaker for 10 years of my life and can still read it
rien est rien (nothing is nothing)

[split beacon]

another way to read it is one eye facing the future and one eye facing the past

[split beacon]

this is this, and that's that.

you know

[mystic ermine]

...je veux repondre en francais, mais je ne sais pas si c'est acceptable
-# I want to reply in french, but I don't know if that's acceptable

[split beacon]

for a Roland kinnie, he didn't say the funny

I suppose for Hermes, though, it's not a coherent saying

[karmic escarp]

je pense, pour (short sentences) ilya pas de problems
(i think for short sentences there shouldnt be any issue)

[split beacon]

after all with an understanding of reality that includes all causal relations between events, there is no "this is this and that's that"

this is that and that is this

[tiny cave]

He said some funnies

[split beacon]

yeah but "this is this and that's that" is THE funny

[ebon forge]

ya know whats interesting, Qliphoth is the darkness, opposite to the Sephirot

[mystic ermine]

gets a gutteral reaction out of me whenever I heard the word "goen" leave his mouth

[split beacon]

oh are we discussing this

[ebon forge]

and the origin comes from a misspelling of the light

now

[mystic ermine]

no cl-

[ebon forge]

thats just wikipedia stuff

[mystic ermine]

why is it rainbow

[ebon forge]

i dont know enough myself

[mystic ermine]

there, that's the one

[split beacon]

I mean

do you want me to explain Qliphoth

[tiny cave]

9-50 spoiler for rien’s funny

[ebon forge]

The verse "Let there be luminaries (מְאֹרֹת məʾoroṯ)," uses a defective spelling of the Hebrew plural form for "luminous body, light source" (מְאוֹרוֹת), resulting in a written form identical to the Hebrew word for "curses." In the context of the Zohar, interpreting the verse as calling the moon and sun "curses" is given mystic significance, personified by a description of the moon descending into the realm of Beri'ah, where it began to belittle itself and dim its light, both physically and spiritually. The resulting darkness gave birth to the qlippoth.

[split beacon]

and its relevance to Qliphoth Deterrence

[ebon forge]

sure but i need to sleep soon

[split beacon]

okay so basically God is infinite and all-encompassing in the primordial state of the universe so in Kabbalah lore one of the things that necessary needs to be done by God is the creation of a system that restrains God's infinite, perfect holiness that suffuses all of creation so that there can be things other than God in it

[tiny cave]

You can call it by its actual name
Cutie-thot deterrence

[ebon forge]

solo leveling-ass religion /j

im sorry

[mystic ermine]

I think I will stick to my DMC habits and refer to it as the vore tree

[split beacon]

the Qliphoth are a system of barriers of anti-holiness that essentially restrain God's existence by filtering out various emanations of God which are understood as the Sephirot of the Tree of Life

[atomic steeple]

Outis is prone to losing her crew and being calculating
What if this version of her didn't kill her siblings, but still was found suspicious?

[split beacon]

so the Qliphoth are their opposites, the barriers that nullify those divine properties

ignorance nullifies wisdom (Hokma), stupidity nullifies understanding (Binah), and so on

[ebon forge]

but like, i was raised christian and every time i see religion i can only see it as some ancient powerscaling now

[tiny cave]

Stupid Faust nullifies Binah?

Faust upscale

[ebon forge]

LMAO

ik at school there's sometimes these people who come around with i think... arabic? books

[mystic ermine]

...why'd we get Hokma (balls) for Heath instead of for Faust, actually?

[split beacon]

because Faust doesn't seek true wisdom, she seeks knowledge of all things

[atomic steeple]

Might cause epilepsy

[split beacon]

her learning is profoundly profane in a way that Hokma is not

that is why hers will be the final Sephirot, Malkuth, the Kingdom

God's perfect emanation finally reflected into earthly being

[keen palm]

BTW

Did Rien's daughter have elf ears

Was i nuts to see that

[tiny cave]

Yeah Rien’s daughter was Mayors

[mystic ermine]

Then would that not be a fitting relevation to have?

[keen palm]

What the fuck

[mystic ermine]

A true moonposter doesn't need a tag
they go by pure instinct

...

...right?

[atomic steeple]

Welcome to the erased club

[ebon forge]

wait who does hokma represent on the kabba hows it spelled again?

[split beacon]

I mean it would be but also we're travelling the reversed path

[split beacon]

it's actually the Sephirot, Kabbalah is the general practice of learning this stuff

[mystic ermine]

I should have called it "mooner" instead of that

...actually

maybe

I should not have

[split beacon]

but anyways Hokma is technically associated with Heathcliff right now but it's all fucked up and kinda comes together with Faust and the Kingdom at the end instead of strictly making sense

[neat cedar]

mooner is what we call those who frequent r/OdysseyHadAPurpose

[ebon forge]

ah huh

[tiny cave]

I don’t think Faust’s is going to be Malkuth anyway

I think that’s actually Dante’s one

[neat cedar]

shout out to esgoo manhandling the final bosss

[tiny cave]

My bet is on Faust being Yesod (foundation) instead

[split beacon]

well

that does track, doesn't it

in many ways

[karmic escarp]

i
i fnished

[neat cedar]

how ya doin hero

[ebon forge]

ngl i wonder how deep into it pmoon gets with the kabbalah

[karmic escarp]

totally drained

[split beacon]

way way deeper than you realize

[neat cedar]

litereally

everything

[neat cedar]

yeah

[tiny cave]

Ye I feel Faust having to abandon the gesselschaft and relearn everything fits with the idea of “foundation”

[split beacon]

the Reverb Ensemble are all themed after the Qlipha that oppose each Patron Librarian's Sephira

[neat cedar]

thsi canto is the most emotionally and actually exhaustive

[karmic escarp]

even though i only played p1 and 2 like a day or two ago is feels like weeks

[mystic ermine]

I think that Kether will be for Dante for no other reason than because I want it to be

[neat cedar]

at least for me

[split beacon]

we started at Kether

[karmic escarp]

EVERY SINGLE FIGHT SENT MY BLOOD PRESSURE INTO THE STRATOSPHERE

[neat cedar]

again

i had to tak4e a break and eat dinner

after fuckin

node 45

[ebon forge]

man, how deep does the lore go

[karmic escarp]

some of them in a bad way
others in a good way
pretty much every single one of them in an Emotional Damage way

[split beacon]

like uh

[neat cedar]

PJM is like

[ebon forge]

i knew a guy who was a limbus like

[mystic ermine]

did we?
I... we have ||prigitia, superbia, morositas||, the broken one, and then whatever ||Geburas|| will be
where is Kether's ||resonance||?

[neat cedar]

obsessively determined

[ebon forge]

nerd nerd

[split beacon]

won't have one

[neat cedar]

to keep everything as close to being ludo narrative

as they can

[ebon forge]

and they were reading like

[neat cedar]

on every detail

[ebon forge]

super obscure hoheinheim stuff

[keen palm]

Are Rodya Heath and Ish the only normal people on this bus

[split beacon]

but we started at Kether, our path is the Path of the Flaming Sword from kether to malkuth not the other way around

[tiny cave]

Turning the clock back is probably Keter’s resonance

[ebon forge]

and kept doing the whole wojak pointing meme

[karmic escarp]

UM

[neat cedar]

yes

[karmic escarp]

HELLO?????

[split beacon]

lol.

[neat cedar]

:^D

i love

how PJM

uses their mechanics

[split beacon]

okay so the Reverbs right

[neat cedar]

to hump scare people

it was done so well this canto

[split beacon]

remember how I said that the opposite of Hokma is Ignorance

what's Pluto's gimmick as a character?

[tiny cave]

People say Kim was absent from this Canto but I see Kim 3 times right here

[neat cedar]

still funny to me

[ebon forge]

i genuinely cant remember it

[neat cedar]

that people misread one line

[split beacon]

solipsism

[neat cedar]

and hyped themselves up

[tiny cave]

Contracts

[neat cedar]

for nothing

[tiny cave]

He feeds off your ignorance of reading the contracts

[neat cedar]

and yeah, if i remember

pluto's whole thing was like

going "well what about this"

[split beacon]

Pluto is a solipsist who believes that he knows nothing, all is illusion, and the more you "learn" the more you simply become wronger about the world because nothing is ever true

[neat cedar]

and Hokma being "that is like, acompletely idotic way ot look at anything"

[ebon forge]

oh i never did enough ruina stuff

[split beacon]

and Hokma is like "you are so fucking stupid oh my God, killing you with hammers"

[mystic ermine]

To huh

[neat cedar]

mispelled jump scare

happens

[split beacon]

like he full on loses his patience with Pluto it's great

[mystic ermine]

Damn, they do?

Damnit, you corrected it
Now I just sound insane

[neat cedar]

no i left the og mistake

i own my Ls

[mystic ermine]

...

Ouchie

[split beacon]

he goes "you gotta have faith" and Pluto goes "I will not" and they do it like 3 times and then Hokma finally goes "how about I fucking kill you then"

[neat cedar]

big ouchie

[neat cedar]

honestly, valid

pluto of all the members

[ebon forge]

truth nuke

[neat cedar]

felt like the most annoying one to talk to

[ebon forge]

*literal

[split beacon]

anyways all the reverbs are qlipha so not only is Pluto a dense motherfucker

Elena, opposing Binah, is stupid

if you know Elena's bag you already know Elena is stupid

[karmic escarp]

||WORD FOR WORD BAR FOR BAR.... i want to know so badly why the Will of the City was like 'become a roland kinnie bro trust' like i know there's likely zero in-universe reason and it's just so the fanbase can soyjackpoint at him but like||

[split beacon]

but specifically she opposes understanding and fuck me if that's not on the nose, Elena is in possession of all the facts and refuses to understand a damn thing

[tiny cave]

Have you considered she just really hates Lolang

[neat cedar]

||because roland , imho, is one of the best Proxies the cities have ever produced without knowing it||

[mystic ermine]

I AM KILLING JEXNPIERR3

[split beacon]

she won't understand the suffering of people she preys on, she won't understand why they want her ass dead, she won't understand she could just fucking stop acting this way and not bring heat down on herself

[mystic ermine]

oh, for 9-44 you could be all ominous

[neat cedar]

||Less memetically, both roland and Rien are completely and utterly held captive to the Will of the City||

[mystic ermine]

But the final boss? Just
Just throw it in the thumbnail??

Sure.

[tiny cave]

This has been done 3 times, I’m waiting for LCB Ryoshu solo

[split beacon]

woman gaming

soon

[ebon forge]

i dont know ANY ruina

like

deadass

i know ruina through memes

[tiny cave]

Go play it

Its peak

[split beacon]

go play it or I'm gonna do you like Hokma did Pluto

[tiny cave]

Except for everything up to urban nightmare

[split beacon]

LMAO

[mystic ermine]

Yes

[tiny cave]

The early bits are pretty rough

[karmic escarp]

my 'havent played ruina yet because card games do bad things to my brain' is coming back to bite my ass
i too, am like the index. i need someone to tell me what to do when it comes to card games

||OH SHIT THE GESELLSCHAFT||

[ebon forge]

[neat cedar]

||Before the Library, Roland was completely willing to just let the city do as it pleased with him and go about with it's flow, he raged, he sorrwed, he despaired and it all became nothing. It was the will of the city to have him end up dying in the ditch||

[tiny cave]

You click Yesod and shoot people with a glock

[mystic ermine]

but raising the rent requires setup

[split beacon]

the thing about Library of Ruina as a game is that it doesn't become a video game until you're wayyyyy too deep into the game

so there's a whole frontloaded pile of Ruina that you just kinda plow through

[mystic ermine]

...but it is very very satisfying

[split beacon]

and then the game goes STOP

HOLD UP

Do you know how to cost out a mana curve?

and if you say no

[tiny cave]

Time for a Vertical Difficulty Spike ™

[split beacon]

you die instantly

[ebon forge]

https://tenor.com/view/library-of-ruina-angela-gif-16081515651941375925

[neat cedar]

||but because roland was able to find enlightenment and knowledge within the library, he was able to overcome his baser nature and learn to forgive and in oding so, defy the nature of the city||

at least that's how i read it

[ebon forge]

the fuck is a mana curve

[split beacon]

https://tenor.com/kp4p8HaXS5E.gif

she enters your home

[mystic ermine]

Hey guys its me Roland from library of ruina for the nintendo switch

OPEN THE CURTAINS, LI-

[karmic escarp]

if anyone is willing to babysit my ass through the early parts and tell me 'this card is good for this reason, this is adequate enough for now dont sweat the small stuff, this is a surprise tool thatll help us later' thatd be nice

[neat cedar]

||so i think Rien is an attempt to create and harness, and perhaps even understand that phenoma, but it fails to do so because it doesn't really understand the core emotional reasons for roland. thus why Rien is nothing but a hollow imitation||

[karmic escarp]

(only half joking about that)

[split beacon]

it goes 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3

approximately

[neat cedar]

also if anyone wants to like

call my analysis dumb, feel free

[ebon forge]

ill play ruina but only modded to make it not grindy and all that

[neat cedar]

i haven't played ruina in ages and only like half remember the beats

[tiny cave]

Imagine some nice thicc curves and a deck that caresses those curves

[neat cedar]

but that is what felt to me to be the important parts of the mirroring

[split beacon]

curves may vary, if you have Unlock you're gonna break the game in two anyways

[tiny cave]

But yes get NoGrind mod if you play it

Going singleton once you get the index pages is easy mode yeah

[ebon forge]

im sendng you to the odyssey

[split beacon]

honestly proxies in Limbus are fucking weaksauce compared to proxies in Ruina

[tiny cave]

You can build 5 copies of the same deck and it will work for every boss except Pluto

[karmic escarp]

so i really can just do whatever until... which fight?

[split beacon]

The Queen of Hatred.

[tiny cave]

Queen of Hatred or Red Riding Hood or Puppets

[mystic ermine]

then.. suddenly, one day

[tiny cave]

Are the usual skill check fights

[karmic escarp]

and at that point then i start reading?

[tiny cave]

Suddenly One Day requires you to read but it’s not a skill check it’s a patience check

[split beacon]

no the read or die checks are muuuuch earlier

every abnormality in Library of Ruina is a reading check

[ebon forge]

honestly i love how ruina is 10x harder than limbus on hard mode

but then limbus has 100x more text per skill

because ruina is just like

"d6: on 6, kill"

[tiny cave]

Limbus has a lot of text to fix basic game mechanics tbh

Whereas Ruina has inbuilt scaling and less aggressive scaling

[neat cedar]

yeah limbus is, not really

intended to be uber difficult

ruina you have a lot more things to juggle

[tiny cave]

So it doesn’t need a bunch of text telling you about damage modifiers and stuff

[neat cedar]

most of which tehg ame, uh

DOES NOT TELL YOU ABOUT

[split beacon]

limbus company is a game that was designed MUCH thinner from the getgo compared to library of ruina and requires much more augmentation after the fact to be a video game

[cloud wadi]

I have bad news

[neat cedar]

ye Ruina was designed to fully be a PC game

[karmic escarp]

||wow all the other fausts are fucking assholes.||

[cloud wadi]

If my analysis of this trailer is right

[ebon forge]

btw if i play ruina what mods should i get

[tiny cave]

Ruina was designed pretty thinly at the start (most of the first pages are just dice and maybe one effect)

[neat cedar]

and you can really feel that in the awful switch port

[cloud wadi]

Someone is getting a Matthias ID

[split beacon]

nogrind

[ebon forge]

they are.

[tiny cave]

Then they realised they were making a video game and put actual mechanics in

[tiny cave]

NoGrind

[neat cedar]

I'm thinking outis over rodion rn

[split beacon]

maybe the memory leak patch for the floor of technological sciences

[ebon forge]

i PRAY for outis matthias

[neat cedar]

||because of odysseus whole thing of killing his crewmates||

[split beacon]

and then they fucked up and added paralyze

[cloud wadi]

Traitor intensifying

[tiny cave]

There’s a memory leak problem?

[split beacon]

apparently

someone else in this thread was yapping about it previously when we brought up lor

[tiny cave]

Oh yeah Musicians of Bremen with that broken key page is super early isn’t it

I think I didn’t use that passive both times I played through ruina but you really should just attribute it to everything

[mystic ermine]

Iounno, I feel like LoR isn't that complicated

[karmic escarp]

||damn girl lookin good||

[mystic ermine]

Limbus gives me a bit more of a headache at times

[tiny cave]

It’s not complicated if you know how to build a deck with enough card draw and light generation

[split beacon]

I don't either you just do the needful, manifest EGO, play the electric guitar and it's over

[tiny cave]

The test is generally quite short and manageable

[split beacon]

also real shit if you can into deck builder it's fine

[ebon forge]

i would kiss nelly

[split beacon]

and if you can't

[tiny cave]

Limbus has a lot of text of which 80% is irrelevant

[ebon forge]

so its a fucking pot of greed game

[split beacon]

the game ain't teaching you shit

[split beacon]

every deck builder is a pot of greed game

[tiny cave]

No cos the draw usually costs a lot of light or charge

The only free draw 2 is right at the end of the game

[ebon forge]

does ruina have cheese factory loops

[split beacon]

yes

it's called Cloned Rabbits

[neat cedar]

. . . . . .

oh my god

i just realized

kira ish

[karmic escarp]

||(grinding and gnashing my teeth together in fear) what the fuck do you mean by that||

[neat cedar]

cut her hair

and considering like

what Ish's hair being that long meeeeeaaaaaans

[split beacon]

step one: there are rabbits

step two: you clone them

[neat cedar]

that is not goooood

[split beacon]

step three: ahahahaha perfect loops! get fucked up!

[mystic ermine]

I am at 9-45
am I clear to click on this?

[tiny cave]

I think the Learn page is like absurdly broken as well

[neat cedar]

no

[karmic escarp]

no

[tiny cave]

But no one uses Keter so no one knows about it

[ebon forge]

ok wait what cards are those

[mystic ermine]

what if hte two were both in hte middle then, and since ||Quiqueeg|| left, she'd feel as if she were betrayed, so she cut it short!

[karmic escarp]

||oh for fuck's sake theres ANOTHER KROMER?????||

[mystic ermine]

heh
so you say?

[split beacon]

tired: yesod memes / exodia
wired: nostalgia gamebreaking
inspired: learn gamebreaking
fired: Magic Trick dot dek

[mystic ermine]

I like using Chesed, Kether, Yesod and, naturally, Geb

[tiny cave]

Clone and Furious Slashes (iirc that’s what they’re called)

[mystic ermine]

all the others... probbaly are fun?

[split beacon]

Rapid Gashes

also Field Mods

you want Field Mods

[mystic ermine]

Those got me throuhg ||apo bird!||

[karmic escarp]

||the book of that witch hunter..... bad news for faust potentially||

[split beacon]

cloning rabbits is an endgame thing though

[tiny cave]

But anyway play Binah because Binah is the best girl

[neat cedar]

||yeah uh the new kromer? the guy who wrote the irl version||

[split beacon]

at the start of the game you're gonna be taking a page out of the Rats' Rules of Survival

[neat cedar]

so ya know

[tiny cave]

(I have no idea how to properly play Binah)

[mystic ermine]

Binah got crack bleed

[neat cedar]

fun times ahead

:^D

[split beacon]

weight of sin cheese lol

[karmic escarp]

||so... that death toll we see in the trailer is likely to be that purge hermann is talking about huh....||

[mystic ermine]

buff the shit out of her and make everybody else chonky enough to assemble.. to...
hm
let me tell you a story, alright?

[ebon forge]

s

so

you just clone this

[mystic ermine]

Once upon a time, there was a large, black forest

[ebon forge]

over and over

[karmic escarp]

oh shit

[tiny cave]

Yes you clone it so you have 6 of them

Then you play a bunch of them and hope everything die

[split beacon]

your deck becomes 6 of these and like 1-2 of draw augmentation

[ebon forge]

lmao

[mystic ermine]

I want tO
to
click on
on it...
but nope
nono
...
........I thin kI wil lleave before I see more of this

bai bai

have fun :D

[tiny cave]

Block dice as the 4th dice is KJH trolling

[split beacon]

now I'll teach you a real secret

the funniest archetype in Library of Ruina is overspeed

[ebon forge]

ive seen the speed naninf

[split beacon]

send the wolf lady after them

it works every time

(this archetype is stupid)

[tiny cave]

Don’t you get this page like right at the end of the game lmao

[split beacon]

yes

[ebon forge]

ill probably play ruina tomorrow

i thinkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk i have it installed somewhere

[tiny cave]

For early game Commandeering is the best page

[split beacon]

the real overspeed card is Concentrated Fire

[ebon forge]

also

i remember the tutorial being asssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[split beacon]

yup

[tiny cave]

It’ll carry you pretty far until you can unlock real game mechanics

Yes the tutorial is ass

Limbus tutorial is a vast improvement

And it’s still ass

[ebon forge]

still ass

lobcorp tutorial >>>>>>>>>>>>>

lmao

[tiny cave]

Better than LobCorp’s tutorial

[ebon forge]

i actually like lobcorp

[tiny cave]

Also LoR has a skins system

You can make all your nuggets sayo

[ebon forge]

putting roland in the bunnysuit

[tiny cave]

And give Hokma a second monocle

Actually yeah get the “All battle symbols” mod

It will do barely anything to affect gameplay but you can give all your nuggets funny skins right from the get-go

[ebon forge]

hmmm

[tiny cave]

Instead of trying to get rose’s hat by rolling a 1%

[minor gust]

damn its still nor working

[ebon forge]

do most people use steam workshop

[tiny cave]

Ya

[ebon forge]

i dont think i have the steam version

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[tiny cave]

There’s a non steam version?

[ebon forge]

:)

[mystic ermine]

IPS-N would not approve

[tiny cave]

The head is coming after you for this taboo

[mystic ermine]

...I keep reading tatoo instead of taboo

[ebon forge]

look i dont spend money 99% of the time

i have like, 300 dollars

and half of that is hrt money

the other half is if i have to get adhd meds myself

and anything more is gonna be for anime expo

also

i really hope Ricardo rises in the ranks

[mystic ermine]

What, Great Brother Ricardo?

[ebon forge]

Ricardo is one of very few genuinely well-meaning people

[mystic ermine]

...define well-meaning

[ebon forge]

he really does believe in family

[signal kindle]

Realest thing I’ve read

[mystic ermine]

oh hey D- the fuck do you mean 125 grunt witches

[ebon forge]

he has goals, and wants to achieve them

[signal kindle]

They don’t know

[mystic ermine]

BUNNYSUIT?!
snaps fingers
artists
get at it

[signal kindle]

😭

[ebon forge]

but he wont meaninglessly sacrifice stuff to get there

[signal kindle]

I will make you feel the bunny ears, as I have

[mystic ermine]

actually, isn't there a bunny ear accessory in LoR for beating the musicians of Bremen?

[ebon forge]

like

sure

[mystic ermine]

so, technically

[ebon forge]

a lot of little brothers die under him

[tiny cave]

there's a bunny ear and the rabbit helmet

and the rabbit suit

[ebon forge]

but they died because they were willing to die for family

[tiny cave]

so technically you can put anyone in a bunny suit

[mystic ermine]

So t e c h ni c a l l y

[ebon forge]

not because he's just using them like ahab does

[tiny cave]

(iirc the main cast have some bits locked though, i don't think you can change lolang's suit but you can change his face)

[ebon forge]

his methods are wrong, yes

but nonthless

[signal kindle]

I think Roland’s suit is actually just his skin

[mystic ermine]

Says the skinwalker

[tiny cave]

i'll check if you can edit lolang's suit gimme a sec

[ebon forge]

also

[signal kindle]

I would say “I am” but there’s just nothing there

[ebon forge]

Lei Heng, given the right time and right moment

might not have been an antagonist

not an ally, yes

but i would see him being a neutral party

esp cuz he's like, Ryoshu doesnt like him

but i dont see him like, trying to hurt or abuse her the same way the nursefathers do

actually

on second read

[tiny cave]

yeah you can't change his suit BUT

you can stack the cat ears and bunny ears

[ebon forge]

dude is just praising her all over

[tiny cave]

obviously there is peak

[signal kindle]

Furry lolang

[signal kindle]

Where’s the difference

[ebon forge]

but tbf he did want her to unsheath the sword

[tiny cave]

and more peak

[mystic ermine]

HAHAHA

wait wait I think I have a twinkled up version of Gebura somewhere

one second

Look at her

so girlypop

-# HAHAHAHa

[tiny cave]

limao i forgot you could add titles to non-lolang/binah cast members

[ebon forge]

hmmmm

so yeah

i do feel like

Lei Heng

he doesn't treat Ryoshu properly

[minor gust]

oh what the hell

[ebon forge]

(unsheathing the sword)

[minor gust]

i still cant access it

[ebon forge]

but hes not cruel to her

[minor gust]

i can go to extraction by clicking the bennaer

but the rest of the buttons put me bnack in

i reverfied the files

[mystic ermine]

have you tried turning it off and on again (reinstalling)?

[ebon forge]

also

of the nursefathers

i feel like

• val fucking sucks, but her love was there
• ring dude was too caught up in the wrong things (validation for his art, over recognizing the true art next to him (albina))
• middle fucking sucks, jesus christ you performative macha latte labubu tote bag shithead
• index is a fraud more fraud than gubo and i cant believe how thats possibly true
• pinky, damn. the feels.

but also

i will say, a good matcha latte is pretty damn lovely

[vagrant dove]

Listening to the Canto 9 OST again

Damn, it slaps

[mystic ermine]

Hm... the new song is called Saikai, right?

Saikai (再会) -> Reunion, meeting again
saikai (再開) -> Restart, reopen, resume

hm.

If the final boss is fucken
||Araya||
and Jexnpierre threw a red hering at me

I will cry.

very hard.

[stoic fjord]

Rodion and Gregor are the only pair I think have to get together or else I die

||I feel so bad for him and also so fucking disgusted with him at the same time||

[ebon forge]

actually

i just realized something

matthias is the penultimate fraud

because the roland fraud knew he was a fraud

but matthias couldnt accept he was

wait

this theory

it works

so the nursefathers are the artist

rien is yoshihide

[vagrant dove]

Truthnuke

[ebon forge]

ryoshu is also the artist, and the daughter, and the hell screen

so

and

i bet the so called will of the city and so on, use human suffering to make "art", or in this case, humanity

humanity is art, and it shan't be tainted

and so this is... generational abuse?

on multiple levels

which checks out, this is a big rant

[worthy haven]

||Wtf did valencina do to get booted out of a sattocapo position in three days||

[ebon forge]

everythng.

night night

[vagrant dove]

Many things probably

At least Valencina got to keep the theme and the drip when she (probably deservedly) got kicked out of the Thumb lmao

[worthy haven]

|| just a family name :^). Also Heinrich Kramer (Kromer in City) is the author of the witch hammer. Basically a legitimisation and promoting of the witch hunts in Europe. Malleus maleficarum (witch hammer) is that book from 1486 and a unit in the city. SCARY AS FUCK||

[vagrant dove]

||oh THAT KROMER? I didn't even make the association. Christ.||

[worthy haven]

Yep

[vagrant dove]

We might see more of that in Meursault's canto honestly

[worthy haven]

||Ye KJH changed the historic Kramer name into Kromer since Kromer is a name from demian||

[worthy haven]

For sure

[vagrant dove]

I get the feeling there's a lot of dominoes about to fall, what with the || Q Corp shit in the background and N-Corp prepping for war+ the city's current energy crisis||

[worthy haven]

But after this canto I am like so much less certain to predict anything

||I do think what is happening in N corp is also interesting since I think to me it sounds like that the Nail may be not so bought in to wtf Heinrich Kromer might be doing. And Herrman doesn't belong to either group||

||I wonder if we are gonna work with like the other group of n corp or get hired to maybe prune the Hammer faction||

[faint pivot]

I just got caught up

Holy fucking shit

I need to fucking breath this part took me an entire day to get through

I'm a little afraid to backread since (Canto 9 pt 3) ||Callisto says he's supposedly copying Roland|| and y'all are likely gonna talk about that but fuck it tis fun

[mystic ermine]

Well, Rien is

[faint pivot]

No I know that

[mystic ermine]

And yes, yes it was said irs bevause of a ||prescript||

But
But
WHY?

[faint pivot]

I'm worried about running into late game Ruina spoilers

[faint pivot]

Ask Hermes

I love how plentiful the flavor descriptions are btw

Especially the ones on ||Ryo Ashura's skills||, yeowch

[mystic ermine]

OooOOoOOoooOoooo
You will see Angeelaaaa
Maybe even
Brace yourself
ROOOLLAAANNNDDD

[mystic ermine]

I am at 9-45
Am I clear to read this

[faint pivot]

No

[stoic fjord]

No

[mystic ermine]

Damnit

[faint pivot]

Mbmb

[stoic fjord]

Click no spoilers until you finish the canto

Just don't even read the chat

Leave yourself a bookmark and vanish

[faint pivot]

I mean Magic is pretty close

Just need to go through 10 more fights and five Dungeons

(This is a joke canto 9 goes to 51 nodes)

By the way

I NEED THAT OST

HIT ME WITH THOSE BEATS OH MY LORD

[stoic fjord]

Red what node are you on

[faint pivot]

This truly is (whole canto 9) ||a Gebura canto||

[faint pivot]

Done

[stoic fjord]

Dude there's so fucking much

[stoic fjord]

I think someone else already posted this but

Oh also node 50 spoilers

[faint pivot]

God

[stoic fjord]

Somehow I feel so sorry for him yet also so fucking disgusted

[faint pivot]

I saw the text but I didn't remember!

I got whammed so hard for bringing an MD team absent mindedly lmao

Even forgot to equip all of the EGO I got since the canto dropped

[stoic fjord]

I lowkey winrated 9-50

[faint pivot]

Going through it with a team I rubbed my braincells for made me embarrassed lmao

Lost my first try but breezed through try two

[faint pivot]

Lemme share a moment to reinforce this even more (whole canto 9)

(You can infer what I spoilered in my first message) ||TWELVE HP AND A DREAM||

Pal's at 188 HP and I started doing that two turns after the ||"Survive"|| phase (I won that fight)

[faint pivot]

If I was happy for pal about anything it'd be ||his first and last act of his own will||

[vagrant dove]

yeah i had a similar reaction

||like I sympathise with him a lot due to the complete loss of his own identity in service of the Prescripts but he's not free from responsibility for the awful things he's done||

[faint pivot]

Hermes really ||heard folks call Vergilius a fraud and took that as something good. Tried making their own little fraud!||

As unfortunate Hermes' favor is, I'm glad that pal ||followed his kids' words and gave 'em a big phat phuck you to their Dark Quiet plan||

[vagrant dove]

also: terrified what we're gonna face in canto 10+ honestly

[cloud wadi]

Stakes are getting higher and higher

And yet the further we climb

[vagrant dove]

||we also might be getting a greg intervallo!!!||

[cloud wadi]

More we know

The summit isn’t even close

[faint pivot]

This is what

Year 3 of the supposed 10 year plan?

[cloud wadi]

Part I baby

Of 3

[faint pivot]

And yeah ofc we're still in Inferno

[vagrant dove]

at this rate dante's canto will have us straight up fighting Garion 2

[faint pivot]

We get to Faust's canto and our unfocused battles are vs. all Arbiters

[cloud wadi]

Honestly we might legit fight an arbiter squad for canto 13

[faint pivot]

Hwell

That'd map

[vagrant dove]

we were too cool, head had to spoil the party SMH my head

[faint pivot]

I have a feeling that the Library is gonna be our destination for Fau's

[cloud wadi]

But yeah for canto ten

We already know that we are getting involved in far greater horrors and terrors

Than canto 9

Politics

[faint pivot]

Spontaneously disintegrates

[cloud wadi]

We are gonna have to fight the State

[faint pivot]

Apocalypse Bird reappears

Speaking of Bird, what in the world is Hohenheim's crossbow?

An LCE extraction?

[cloud wadi]

LCE version of lamp

Yeah

[faint pivot]

But like

Hm

[cloud wadi]

We have rolex

Now we have duplicate big bird

[faint pivot]

I guess he had Diffraction and the suit around plus some spare unique boxes

[faint pivot]

I meaannnn

[cosmic gorge]

Paradiso, trust

This is my agenda

[cloud wadi]

Also seriously why do Ishmael get story relevant solo banners two cantos in a row

[faint pivot]

(Middle layer suppression bonus) ||Gebura just hogs the 2nd copy||

[faint pivot]

Why so far away 😭

[atomic steeple]

Me having to look online to understand mass attacks

[faint pivot]

Alright time to start backreading

[atomic steeple]

||I like the idea of matthias outis being ruthless and pragmatic but genuinely not killing her siblings. But suspicion still falls on her||

[atomic steeple]

Valencina had so much going on my gane froze

[faint pivot]

Pause pause pause

I just found out

Hohenheim

Is level FORTY FIVE???

Jesus Christ this gear DOES make up for combat experience!

[atomic steeple]

Mana curve?

[cloud wadi]

Yep

He’s barely more experienced in battle than a guy with a desk job at k corp

But ego gear more than makes up for the difference

[faint pivot]

||All of the EGO moments were awesome||

[atomic steeple]

Also, hokma says "you're right, but in the sense that a weak, crumbling mind will accept bad beliefs" just roasted him on the spot

[cloud wadi]

I think

There’s a good reason why Rodion’s primary villain in her backstory… is the Middle

And the Middle… is a really good metaphor for an ownership class who oppress everyone else while sticking up for their own

[faint pivot]

KJH really looked at all the patterns we were drawing and guffawed

[cloud wadi]

They are superficial

Extravagant spenders

Prioritize grandiose display of power and wealth over anything actually sensible

Talk big about respect and compassion and kindness and etc while extorting everyone else

[faint pivot]

Brother stared at us harder than Verg glares at Heathcliff and went, (spoils Everything) ||Bluman canto??? You're getting blue alright!! Dihui is Ryoshu, or Araya? Fuck why not both!!! Hell let's have Sinclair AND Gregor hatch this part too!!!!||

I'm missing shit ofc but point made

[atomic steeple]

Really funny my speculation was wrong but right
||We did get a lil bit of dante lore.
We didn't actually learn about hell, but we see that ryoshu can meet her daughter when dying and reviving||

[eternal berry]

A Canto about the tangling threads of past and future isn’t a bad time to tell us that ||we should be far more concerned about our bus gang’s collective future|| I suppose

[faint pivot]

When the ||twist of Araya taking OG Dihui's place happened I remembered your heads-up about there being two Dihui Stars and to be careful when looking stuff up lmao||

[atomic steeple]

Lol true

[faint pivot]

For the people wanting to catch up too: green ||coins are unbreakables, except they eat unbreakables they beat||

||The second one, might I add :)||

Shoot

Didn't mean to ping you there Ice, sorry about that

I envy your optimism for non-spoiled messages Magic lmao

For when you're past that part, I forgot what 9-45 was: ||thankfully it wasn't Abandoned Teddy Bear but uh...I would've preferred it ngl!||

[cloud wadi]

Now that I think about it

Draw me a sheep

Isn’t actually a complete non sequitor

Dante was asking about mirror tech

The sheep metaphor is actually exactly how mirrors work

That it’s not the author who defines the shape of the thing inside the mirror

But the viewer

[faint pivot]

Hm, you're right

[cloud wadi]

Btw

Why is there a red teddy bear haunting the narrative

[faint pivot]

Does this change what Demian says into a warning?

[faint pivot]

Ask C