Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[fickle crown]

no I mean

the one seen in her intro

[dusty sigil]

Oh what’s that?

[stoic fjord]

if you winrate in Ryoshu's canto she unsheathes her sword and instantly kills the entire team

[stoic fjord]

the one where it said like

if you're finding her to be too much to handle, press this red button

or something

[dusty sigil]

Ohhh

[stoic fjord]

can't be a killswitch, cuz

Dante

[dusty sigil]

Yah I remember that

[stoic fjord]

but I'm wondering what it could actually od

*do

[dusty sigil]

No idea

[bronze zephyr]

Shock collar lmao

Hm she’d be into that

[ebon forge]

Puppygirl ryoshu

[bronze zephyr]

Button that sends 30-50 feral hogs towards ryoshu’s daughter

[stoic fjord]

I'm genuinely not going to make it 5 days

[mystic ermine]

t minus

5 days

[ebon forge]

Yi Sang has been stuck in my head for over a week now

Sang Lu is canon trust

Also also also

The new EGO

He’s too prettyyyyy

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah Yi Sang’s ego is hype

[bronze zephyr]

LMAO

[ebon forge]

REAL

[fickle crown]

POV: Meursault told to win even if doing damage causes self damage

That was 5 turns lmao

I didn't even use regret

Which tbf Regret would actually be counterintuitive here

Istg Thumbsault is just "man that stays winning" in later MD

He even killed KoD by himself

He had 6 stacks of those tears and still won lmao

Also this is such a funny check knowing Meursault's book version

[keen palm]

So question

how does N-Corp like

scale their guys without augments

I know there's that taboo hunter guy who's incredibly dangerous

[eternal berry]

Not all of N. Corp is as extremist as the Inquisition, and even then they don't have a thing against augmentation in general. Their thing is hate of prosthetics, chopping off an entire body part and replacing it entirely

[fickle crown]

There are presumably organic augments

On top of the fact the inquisitors are actually like

Weaker

In the grand scheme of things they probably weren't high level staff

[stoic fjord]

yeah, like

we could deal with them

they're small fries

[fickle crown]

If they were

We'd already be dead in canto 3

Plus we see the kind of beating the sinners take from a high level and competent enemy

They got absolutely ground into paste

[ebon forge]

Might go to AX in hongler cosplay

[fickle crown]

Do iiit

[atomic steeple]

Yeah heishous are an example of organic augmentation

[ebon forge]

I wonder if anyone else here is going to anime expo

[atomic steeple]

Anyway, the inquisition's "justification" against prosthetics is that you don't "experience humanity properly", so small implants might be fine

[stoic fjord]

I think artificial stuff embedded in you would also be fine so long as it's not like, complete replacement

do we know the nature of vegilius's leg augments?

[faint pivot]

It's unclear whether ||Kali or the Night Drifter are actually unaugmented||, but somehow, skill can make up for the tech gap considering what Spring Cultivation shows

And well

"Bullets don't work on competent opponents"

[dusty sigil]

Man, I’m very fucking happy that project moon didn’t think of unbreakable coins until limbus

If they thought of that during Ruina’s development

It woulda been hell

[atomic steeple]

Bruh

[dusty sigil]

They absolutely woulda made unbreakable dice

[atomic steeple]

Index with unbreakable sword attacks upon unlock

[dusty sigil]

Also, that is actually pretty unlikely

From Finn’s page it’s stated that everyone except for the very worst of grade 9 fixers are augmented in some way

And Kali was grade 2 before she got Mimicry and became the red mist

At a certain point no amount of skill can keep up with augmentations

It just requires skill and training just to use high level augmentations without your body tearing apart

[worthy haven]

Ye Vespa is/was grade 1

And even then n corp just booted him for not being able to finish his job

Which says a lot I think

[fickle crown]

Or well

Just utilize them effectively in combat

Hindley was a complete fucking pleb lmao

But he can swing a stick

The issue is he had literally zero training to leverage any of the advantages he had

[dusty sigil]

yah

Chat, with my current boxes and remaining IDs, what do yall think I should get?

[cloud wadi]

Oooh

This is absolute confirmation that Dias is behind limbus company

[dusty sigil]

Rn I’m thinking Capo Meursault, W Corp Heath and Lord Hong Lu

[stoic fjord]

Lord Hong Lu is the cornerstone of heishou, Capo Meursault is a strong standalone, W Corp Heath is cool on charge

[cloud wadi]

Crazy that Udjats are normally like armed with rifles

[gentle mulch]

whats up with the ones in the library then

did dias not like those

[keen palm]

Or at least "is one of the people behind limbus company"

[dusty sigil]

These are probably a different unit of Udjat

[keen palm]

Limbus has always been stated to have multiple benefactors

[dusty sigil]

Armed for different situations

[gentle mulch]

true. still hilarious that dias tossed us what is comparitavely like

way watered down versions of the LCA udjats

"yeah btw we have kickflipping rifle wielders"
uhh we. we give protection on hit..

[cloud wadi]

I’ll definitely add these Udjats to my collection of gun users

[gentle mulch]

soon we'll have 12 ammo users

[stoic fjord]

I can't wait until we get the fully viable full ammo team

and can light up our enemies

like Yesod intended

o7

[ebon forge]

maost, lord hong, thumbsault in that order

[atomic steeple]

Wonder how the enemy indicator thing works with multiple index members

[dusty sigil]

I couldnt afford Maost

Also, the 3 I got

[ebon forge]

then if you wanna build meta, weisang, followed by xichun ish, ramdon, but thumbclair is much better if you dont have enough for 2-3 IDs

[ebon forge]

400 boxes

[dusty sigil]

Yah but then I couldn’t get 1 of the other ones

I went lord Hong Lu and W cliff because I already have 200 shards for both of them

So I could get 3 IDs instead of 2

[bronze zephyr]

Lord Lu is v good

[gentle mulch]

Kong Hong is pretty good

his skill 1 is really

well it's a remorseless slot to put the counter on

and the counter lets you do some fun stuff w heishous

[ebon forge]

yeah i wouldve said maost + lord hong is the best overall

they're just... stupid good

[dusty sigil]

That’s fair but I have like

No other Heishou

I’ve got cockcliff

[gentle mulch]

i mean

thats another heishou

[cloud wadi]

Are Udjats tremor

[gentle mulch]

Maost and KoDya are the contested best units overall in the game rn

[ebon forge]

sinking tremor

[cloud wadi]

Nice

[gentle mulch]

also people are saying stressmors yea

[cloud wadi]

What’s index

[keen palm]

We don't know

[cloud wadi]

Index Faust does look pretty cool

Hmm

[dusty sigil]

I have one of those at least

[cloud wadi]

No obvious crit sound to give away then?

[atomic steeple]

People saw sinking effects

Also heard speculation about poise?

[true bluff]

index faust be like 🫵 🙈

(I couldn't find a blindfold or no eyes emoji)

[atomic steeple]

Maybe each gets an enemy and you need to check in their statuses, or you can pick any index member to hit the enemy

[cloud wadi]

Surprise sinking chapter

[atomic steeple]

I think it'll just be act 1

Since we already had canto 6 be sinking and it's still recent

Saw speculation act 1 includes elements of what would have been the second intervallo

[dusty sigil]

What were the IDs releasing during canto 7 part 1?

[cosmic gorge]

Blood hunter hongler

Jermasault

[atomic steeple]

Oh, rupture

[dusty sigil]

God, I know it’s unlikely

And I know it’ll just be fanservice

But it’d be so cool to see Kim during the breach

[cosmic gorge]

Remember when we didnt know what heishou were

And in the nocturnal sweeping trailer

People thought that Kim had breached
Because of the bamboo hats

Maybe he can breach here for realsies

[atomic steeple]

Kim helping as an extra unit

If you fail an important clash, he steps in to claim their bones

[dusty sigil]

When the prescript is “win the clash” but you’re fighting Bamboo Hatted Kim

[mint cliff]

First time I've done floor 15 of MD

Even took out ||Don Quixote and Lei Heng|| on the way

[cosmic gorge]

Woohoo

[gentle mulch]

in the limbus arpg game bamboo hatted kim is a stage hazard that instantly cuts you if you step in his range. you can knock and bait enemies into this zone

hmm

hohenheim's probably not going to have a good time

[cosmic gorge]

Do we know which branch is being invaded

[gentle mulch]

dont believe so

[quick quartz]

it looked like Faelantern was there so

bye bye hohenheim!!

[gentle mulch]

byebey hohenheim

this could plausibly be another Hermann aura farm moment

[uneven canopy]

there she goes in her overcoat hiding her hands

[atomic steeple]

Likely index father, I think

[cloud wadi]

구두 usually means man’s dress shoes

Not high heels

So probably index father yes

[cosmic gorge]

No high heeled dad then sadly

[golden meadow]

Dante dapping up Kim before he holds off a horde of Thumb swordsmen (he's gonna low diff them)

[quick quartz]

people are having a very normal one about the possibility of LCE getting obliterated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VKUhDr1A9k

[atomic steeple]

Hohenheim will survive due to aedd
Then get more survivors guilt

[gentle mulch]

yeah theyre cooked

the suicide EGOs like Hohenheim youre so fucked either way

hilarious concept actually

[stoic fjord]

"I always come back" headass

trying this for an MD burn team

Caposault slot 1, Hong Lord slot 2, Youcliff slot 3

rest of deployment isn't even fucking real so why bother

[cosmic gorge]

We're due for an NPC ally gets obliterated bc of tertiary relations to the bus crew event

[stoic fjord]

roughly every other canto, right?

or

[cosmic gorge]

But also, theres a specific breed of Hohenheim hater i despise so i want him to survive just to spite them

[stoic fjord]

no 3, 4, and 5 all had it

also 6...?

not the case for 7, I think

8, uhhhhh

yeah I think we're overdue

[fickle crown]

Y'know

It'd actually be worse if he lived ngl

Survivor's Guilt Enhanced Edition

[stoic fjord]

given his E.G.O gear

I think it's highly possible

his gear vs. Sucide Vest 1 and Suicide Vest 2

[atomic steeple]

Aedd/shock centipede is about survival

[fickle crown]

Wait

Hold up

What if

And hear me out

[atomic steeple]

Faelantern ego is also about dying?

[fickle crown]

Hohenheim was the one that tried to relay that message in the trailer before passing out

[gentle mulch]

ohhggg

[stoic fjord]

I mean no but also like

[gentle mulch]

what if hohenheim is the one who died

[stoic fjord]

you've seen how Yi Sang's ID works, yeah?

like

[gentle mulch]

and the suicide EGOs live

[stoic fjord]

it fucking. it fucking entices enemies into beating the shit out of you and killing you

[stoic fjord]

ohhhhhhgggg

[gentle mulch]

ouggggghh

[stoic fjord]

that would be tragic

[fickle crown]

We did hear a woman speak

It could be the ABS one

[quick quartz]

fucked up and evil

[quick quartz]

Alyssa ye

[fickle crown]

Also Ebony Queen's Apple Bokgak lmao

At least we can confirm Limbus got ahold of that one

[faint pivot]

We get to fight Wayward Passenger for the first time

[gentle mulch]

I wouldn't mind an Abno Gauntlet

just as a mixup to the regular Human Encounters

[fickle crown]

Another interesting thing would be all three surviving but being so horribly mauled they can't really do much for the rest of the canto

Which wouldn't be unrealistic tbh

[faint pivot]

Shot in the dark but
LCE E.G.O.: Dimension Shredder Kim

[stoic fjord]

ok hold on

[gentle mulch]

that'd be so funny funny and cool

[stoic fjord]

you might be cooking

step back and let the man cook

[gentle mulch]

Kim undistorted but gaining an EGO gear anyways

[stoic fjord]

Dim. Shredder seems fitting too from what we know

[gentle mulch]

hahaha I'd love that

[stoic fjord]

and like

blade style weapon

he could claim bones with an energy sword

that'd fuck so hard

[faint pivot]

Please PMoon let us see someone corrode another piece of EGO gear

[faint pivot]

He was forcibly distorted, tbf

[gentle mulch]

as long as the head survives. As long as the head is not crushed or severed vertically

[gentle mulch]

he got this

[stoic fjord]

Life Insurance did irreversible damage to the state of Limbus Company theories

[faint pivot]

Doesn't the head need to be preserved too

[gentle mulch]

this is how the LCE can still win

[atomic steeple]

And outis doesn't do anything to the head

[stoic fjord]

I would not fucking humor "Yuri Heng" for even a tenth of a second if not for life insurance

[faint pivot]

What with Jia Qiu stuffing a certain ass's head into a stasis chamber?

[stoic fjord]

true...

[atomic steeple]

Lol effie

[gentle mulch]

outis mercy killing a salvageable situation again lmao

[stoic fjord]

nah nah nah let me cope for yuri heng

[fickle crown]

Not really

[stoic fjord]

trust

trust it'll happen

[fickle crown]

Just so you know

Effie already had brain damage

There wasn't any saving him even with insurance

[stoic fjord]

imo it wasn't nearly as likely that Effie would've survived, given he kinda had a stake going through his entire fucking body

[gentle mulch]

dias works in many ways 🙏

[fickle crown]

Outis was actually on the money with that one

[faint pivot]

Hm then again

[stoic fjord]

whereas Saude was just badly injured from getting fucked up with the nails to the torso or something

[atomic steeple]

True but holding that against outis is funny

[gentle mulch]

^

[quick quartz]

true !

[fickle crown]

It wasn't the nails so much as it was her being eaten up by Peccatula for the better part of however long the LCCB's raid lasted

[stoic fjord]

anyways I'm genuinely going all in on Yuri coming back with N Corp (Canto 8 spoilers) ||and I'll put in another side bet of "it'll be with Lei Heng's body"||

[stoic fjord]

oh yeah mb

[faint pivot]

Would Si Ro consider her orders as mercy? When there'd be a pretty long window before folks' heads would be recovered?

[stoic fjord]

I'm genuinely going to go all in on this one and I am willing to possibly wager something on this

[fickle crown]

I don't think she feels anything

[quick quartz]

what an oddly specific prediction

[faint pivot]

Madam has pointed this out herself too lmao

[stoic fjord]

Life Insurance has done irreversible damage to the state of my theory crafting

[fickle crown]

But yeah my money's actually on all three of the LCE crew living (albeit horribly injured in the process)

[stoic fjord]

also having osmosed Deltarune stuff

tiny threads weave together with the help of me genuinely pulling shit from thin air

Trickster Tobias and his accursed Deltarune have afflicted me with a great illness of the mind

[faint pivot]

She feels less at present but that's not my point - she calls "beheading folks" mercy knowing that they can be brought back, making me wonder how large the window is for recovery

[fickle crown]

Ahh ok

[stoic fjord]

YURI HENG IS CONFIRMED!!!!!!

I am genuinely turning into a tweaker someone please snap me out of it

I genuinely feel like I'm losing it

[fickle crown]

snaps your back in half

[stoic fjord]

ouch

[fickle crown]

She's not real wake up

[stoic fjord]

she's real to me.....

she' has to codme back...

[fickle crown]

You said to snap you out of it

I did in fact make you snap crackle and pop

[stoic fjord]

it has to hapenf... groeger mus th suftter more oror his sincs

[fickle crown]

I think it'd be more appropriate for Canto 10

When we go to N Corp proper

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah

I'll bet on Canto 10

but I will also continue to hold out for Capo body Yuri

[fickle crown]

Plus we know the N Corp group is fucking around with the brainworm so it's not like they'd have reason to go out looking for trouble

Gubo and Jia Huan got what they were looking for in the end so they're probably satisfied atm

Plus I don't think N Corp has any reason to get involved with whatever's happening in Ryoshu's canto

It's a bunch of major syndicates getting together

Sending corporate agents is a really stupid idea

[stoic fjord]

yeah...

[gentle mulch]

ncorp didn't interfere in cantoooo 7 right?

8 and 6 they showed up

[uneven canopy]

they were not there for canto 7 no

[gentle mulch]

we should be pretty sparse of them

[bronze zephyr]

Blue Gang will prolly be around

[fickle crown]

And also Canto 5

At the very tail end

[cosmic gorge]

Its blue gang canto

[fickle crown]

Interestingly Cantos 3 and 5 are the only cantos with both an N-Corp and Blue Gang encounter

Oh wait

N Corp also showed up midway through Canto 6

[ebon forge]

What’s the smallest way you could make an ID so broken it’s actually wrong

Easy answer: kod becomes rupture id

[fickle crown]

+100% damage

[ebon forge]

Wait

Echos becomes rupture

[tiny cave]

Remove the max 30 from butterfly

[ebon forge]

Do people ever hit the 30 max for that?

[fickle crown]

Lmao no

[tiny cave]

Yes?

It’s very common to hit the 30 max if you manage the sinking stack

It’s Sinking/5*Departed gloom damage
His S2 will usually inflict 6 Departed and S3 will inflict 10 this turn 10 next turn

[fickle crown]

Oh ok

Ngl I just don't run sinking like a dumbass..

[ebon forge]

Oh I thought you meant 30 for butterfly stack

[tiny cave]

Yea I think that’s got a 15 cap anyway

It would take some weird stuff to get it that high

Yi sang can inflict 10/10 and Gregor can inflict 8-14 random

[bronze zephyr]

Hrm wonder what the best sinking team will be once LCA Outis and index fau drop

[tiny cave]

Well, Sinking is already missing a 7th real member

So if either of them aren’t too count negative (or negative enough that it can be fixed with echoes) then they’ll get slot 7

I imagine deluge will fall off as we get more bosses with HP agates

But yeah it’s like

• Solemn Lament Yisang (non negotiable)
• KoDion (non negotiable)
• Butler Outis (non negotiable unless you want to replace her with Faust, who is worse due to only 2 echoes)
• Molar/Fudamael (You don’t really need Molar’s count infliction without Deluge, and Fudamael is good along with two good egos but she is just damage. Bygone days corrosion does inflict echoes if you don’t want double butler though)
• Gredgar (Kinda negotiable though Solemn Lament EGO is very good and his S2 count infliction is also good)
• Hobo Heathcliff (His sinking infliction is ass people just bring him for damage ,which he is good at, but he’s technically replaceable)

+member 7

[stoic fjord]

I thought sunshower was hobo, not wild hunt?

[bronze zephyr]

I’d rather have Butler fau than Edgar Gregor but that’s me

[stoic fjord]

I run edgar gregor, he clashes nice and is fun to use

[tiny cave]

Gredgar is Greg’s only sinking option if you want Solemn Lament EGO

He’s replaceable if you don’t care about the ego

[stoic fjord]

I like the E.G.O because Solemn Lament is peak and I like Gregor

[tiny cave]

Iirc neither Faust nor Outis have any sinking EGO so swapping them is mostly a consideration of unit quality rather than EGO access

Sunshower Outis is not a real sinking ego

[stoic fjord]

is fell bullet heathcliff a real sinking ego

[tiny cave]

(It’s kinda hard to fuel too)

[bronze zephyr]

I like ego for clashing and sol lament is nottt that unfortunately lol

[stoic fjord]

having played so much MDE I actually kind of forget that E.G.O is a clashing tool

it's utility/AOE for me

[tiny cave]

Solemn lament is mostly single target damage yeah, 8 shots = 240 from buttlerfly, plus the actual damage it does

[bronze zephyr]

Mhm

[tiny cave]

Which is uhh 10+12+14+16+18+20+22+24=136

[gentle mulch]

butterfly + actual sinking damage

[tiny cave]

If it’s an abno yea

Then it’ll be 8x sinking + 120 butterfly

[gentle mulch]

kodya makes it like

a joke to keep up sinking count

[bronze zephyr]

Mhm
Makes hanafudamael a lot more viable which is rly cool

[stoic fjord]

why does rupture have to be the one that takes so much effort to keep stacks

[gentle mulch]

she has LCSinking Rime Shank and she's LCSinking Woman

[tiny cave]

Because rupture is true damage whereas sinking is not even vs abno

[cosmic gorge]

Rupture is too strong otherwise

[bronze zephyr]

Wonder if lca Outis will be tremor decay like hanafudamael

[tiny cave]

I’m hoping for sinking tremor flavour

[split beacon]

My intuition is that an Udjat member will specialize in making enemies clash like shit and deal none damage

[tiny cave]

Lose SP = (Tremor+Sinking)/2, if the target hits -45 or has no SP then the excess is dealt as gloom damage

What do their LoR pages even do I don’t think I ever used them

[gentle mulch]

apply protection

clash like shit

[split beacon]

Allies get protection and extra block dice and block dice power

[gentle mulch]

unless you're blocking yeah

[tiny cave]

Oh they’re all about protection, block dice and endurance

[split beacon]

When the Udjat block they block like motherfuckers

[gentle mulch]

yeah

[tiny cave]

Zweimael 2 inc

[split beacon]

Also if they win at blocking sometimes they get to attack unopposed for free

[bronze zephyr]

Oh mmmhm

[split beacon]

So what I’m smelling from LCA-Udjat Outis is “cool 40 roll don’t care didn’t ask no damage taken go fuck yourself”

[gentle mulch]

from a very defensive lor translation

this may be another "USE MY DEFENSE SKILL" unit

like how the heishou play lol

[stoic fjord]

"USE MY 8 DEFENSE SKILLS"

[split beacon]

In practice what the Udjat did in LoR was cause you to take an absurd amount of stagger damage from losing clash against their boosted as fuck block dice and then curb stomp you in their clean ass leather boots

and the way to reasonably beat them was to ignore their pages and kill them without clashing lol

[gentle mulch]

do NOT collect my pages

[cloud wadi]

Also just kinda makes sense that Udjat would use guns

Their benefactor is the most obscenely rich woman in the city

What would be a sign of wealth

[tiny cave]

Using Atelier logic shotgun rounds like Roland

[cloud wadi]

If not having a full team of shocktroopees equipped with high caliber rifles

[tiny cave]

And blasting people point blank with it

[cloud wadi]

But this time

They have guns

[tiny cave]

But guns don’t work against anyone competent

So isn’t that a downgrade

[cloud wadi]

Would be hilarious if Dias sent in her Udjats into the library without their guns

[tiny cave]

She heard there was only competent people in the library so she made sure to remove their guns
Before they got shot to death by the thumb soldato squad

[stoic fjord]

from the looks of it, something fairly fast-firing too

[cloud wadi]

Yeah looks like they are similar to rabbit’s assault rifles

[stoic fjord]

hrmmm

I wonder if Dias has any self defense weapons on her

[cloud wadi]

Well I think she’s surrounded by bodyguards and assassins basically at all times

But she always carries her cane with her

Which I assume is a weapon

[keen palm]

She is presumably as augged out as someone like Vergilius

[cloud wadi]

Honestly nobody knows what exactly is up with her

She’s clearly not baseline human though

She still looks like she’s in her twenties

But raised Moses since she was a kid

And Moses is like, in 30s 40s?

Or maybe it’s just because she’s middle eastern like Big D, I dunnow

[ebon forge]

fox boi!!!!!!!!!!!

[keen palm]

Moses is in her 50s I think

[cloud wadi]

Oh yeah she’s 49 years old

[ebon forge]

hag

[split beacon]

okay fuckin hold on real quick

what is the double bonus scheme this week

[stoic fjord]

do it day of new season rather than day of reset I believe?

[split beacon]

ohh this isn't even double bonus this is saving until the season 7 pass is live

[stoic fjord]

I think so yeah

[split beacon]

yea alrite

[bronze zephyr]

I should probably have claimed my weeklies for s7 but oh well

[stoic fjord]

HOLY SHIT THREE SECRET BOSSES 3 FLOORS IN A ROW

[bronze zephyr]

Whoa

[cosmic gorge]

Santa making up for all your bossless MDIE runs

[stoic fjord]

ON GOD BRUH

floor 14 lei heng trust

I'm running a burn team with caposault it would only be right

[cosmic gorge]

@atomic steeple necropost a bit, but Limbus EGOs are kiiind of an AK module equivalent if you think about it

Theyre equippable abilities that grant passive effects and modify existing stats

The difference is that they need to be used in battle before their passives proc

[bronze zephyr]

Hm should I start arknights
Probably not my backlog is massive but

[cosmic gorge]

If you like science fantasy and tower defense

[stoic fjord]

FUCKING ABS FAUST ON MY 7 SLOT IS CLASHING 61

BEST RUN EVER

[bronze zephyr]

Wwwww

[cosmic gorge]

Why is she called Abs faust when her toned stomach isnt even shown? Smh

[bronze zephyr]

Real

Though if the limbus women have abs Faust is probably the least likely to have them

[stoic fjord]

HOLY SHIT IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

WHAT

ARE WE FR???

[bronze zephyr]

I want to see Outis abs

Oh w

[stoic fjord]

this is my clashing btw

turn 1

I'm clashing favored with an S1

this run is actually fucking insane

what great virtuous existence was my past life for karma to come and do this

IGNITION ON OUTIS CLASHING FOR 60

I used to pray for times like these

[cosmic gorge]

Most likely to least likely (in order): Outis, Ish, Ryo, Rodya, Faust, Donqui

[stoic fjord]

DID IT WITH ONLY 51 DAMAGE TAKEN TOTAL

FROM THE SINGULAR FIRST TANGLECLEAVER

holy. shit.

[ebon forge]

maybe i can go to AX as carmen instead (due to heat issues)

[gentle mulch]

how many mds is it for an id again

[lean fjord]

with or without bonus?

[gentle mulch]

without

like from scratch just doing normal or something

[stoic fjord]

Pass or f2p

[lean fjord]

you get three levels which is nine boxes every non bonus MD IIRC, assuming paid pass

which comes out to 18 shards on average

[gentle mulch]

pass

[stoic fjord]

22.2 MDs

[lean fjord]

yeah

[gentle mulch]

bout 23 with my luck then id reckon

[stoic fjord]

Yeah, about

But weeklies cut that down quite a bit

And fell bullet farming makes it very quick

[gentle mulch]

this is true

i need liu sang really bad

[gentle mulch]

i think ive found my favorite team comp and it is in fact burn

[neat cedar]

Burn is fun

b ecause it's just

extremely consistent

[gentle mulch]

BURN TO CINDERS

[neat cedar]

not as flashy and doesn't spike as high

but the enemy will die

[gentle mulch]

burn is that truck thats still fuckin kickin twenty years down the line

[neat cedar]

mhmm

[gentle mulch]

timed it

burn's just barely longer than my usual fell bullet runs, probably because im still getting used to nsang

[neat cedar]

mood

[stoic fjord]

"Not as flashy"

Caposault says hi

[neat cedar]

Caposault is an exception and should not be counted

[stoic fjord]

Also ngl Liu Sang is really cool with his sword

And if you decide to run Hong Lord + Rooster Heishous with burn, which is perhaps unconventional but still fully valid burn

[gentle mulch]

CAW CAW CAW

https://tenor.com/view/fail-news-big-black-rooster-scream-scared-gif-3520890

[cloud wadi]

Considering the fact that LCA and index proselytes are the first ids

I’m guessing that index are gonna launch an invasion into limbus facility themselves

[ebon forge]

And we’re gonna beat up Ricardo

[cloud wadi]

Limbus company “how many grudges can the middle hold against us” speedrun

[ebon forge]

Limbus tryna out middle Lolang

[lean fjord]

You think we might fight some Proselytes too along with the Ring stuff?

[worthy haven]

Did look like the index father figure accompanies them for the assault

[gentle mulch]

"Hey we have an emergency at LCE"
"Okay weird"
"[voice message of people dying and escaping abnos]"
"why the fuck are we involved in this"
"just do the mission"
"Yeah the trumpets are blaring. it's hopeless. anyways, clean up lol"
[fight LCElings]
"wow this sure is a toughie"
[LCB catches up with what's causing this]
"woah it's the index"
"the prescript says to sever the clock with twelve at the fifth turn. it's time to index"
"faust knows the inde--"
" 🚬 ☝️ "
"..."
[the indexlings]
"hi Yoshihide i was just thinking about you actually"
"welp. time for a premium cig. btw im gonna fucking kill you as hard as i can in three seconds"

[neat cedar]

Index Dad is one of demian's Blue Mofos

calling it

[gentle mulch]

my prediction of the canto 9 p 1 drop

[faint pivot]

I dunno with how she's handling that zweihander I think she could be packing

[gentle mulch]

faust packing...

[ebon forge]

Classic.

[cosmic gorge]

Wait where did i leave that

Oh here it is

[cosmic gorge]

[gentle mulch]

AHH

[faint pivot]

Lord Hong provides SP support therefore he is a Burn unit

[faint pivot]

It'd be really fucking funny if we had a repeat of the Si

Where we get IDs of folks we don't even meet/fight during the canto

[neat cedar]

urngonna guve esgoo a heart attack

[worthy haven]

Oh that's could be a good shout. There was a lot of blue during his scene

[worthy haven]

tbf she is fifth in the powerranking above hongler so she def could have

[quaint cliff]

https://youtu.be/tsi2iztEtSc

[atomic steeple]

Had a dream where ring father turned into a big monster boss that required dodging and parrying

[unique bane]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/limbuscompany/comments/1pw6am4/faust_gets_a_prescript_ssmr_rolling/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[cosmic gorge]

does ishmael have any charge IDs

[faint pivot]

Hanafish /j

Iirc no

[stoic fjord]

Reindeer Ishmael

[cosmic gorge]

Ah thbk yoi

[atomic steeple]

Thinking on it
Egos whose passives make you into a charge unit would be a cool addition

[golden meadow]

what is this a ranking of

[stoic fjord]

We are not allowed to say due to the presence of minors within this forum thread

[golden meadow]

i see

although, considering who's at the top and then crossreferencing it with certain IDs, i think i can gather an idea of what its a ranking of.

[stoic fjord]

I can promise you that it's not that

As someone who was present for its creation

[golden meadow]

i see...

[stoic fjord]

honestly I think the thing I'm most excited for right now

is the potential for more thumb IDs

because they'll probably either be tremburn or poirn

and either would finish a triple status

[atomic steeple]

I am excited for index complexity
That might be modded into ruina

On that note, why do people think index faust has poise?

[stoic fjord]

maybe crit sfx? is that a thing?

[atomic steeple]

From technical discussion
Ricardo becoming a Buddhist master in canto 9

[uneven canopy]

4 days...

[mystic ermine]

Godsdamnit

No taking noons

fucken

death sensitive abnos

What's one more try

Heh.

I almost forgot I get to keep these

[stoic fjord]

I have cooked up a new team

and by that I mean I've made my basic heishou team but with Magic Bullet Outis and Caposault

why? good fucking question I just got really fucking hype off of my last MDE run and want to try and recreate it

should I run liu sang or wu sang

[keen palm]

Wu Sang I think

You're gonna want for tremor burst more than burn application

[stoic fjord]

okay hold on let me cook

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah fair

[keen palm]

Yeah the Cocks can apply burn, but Wu and Capo are the only ones dealing Tremor

So if you actually want to optimize Capo that's gonna be a concern

[stoic fjord]

I'm just going for rupture burn

[stoic fjord]

ego gifts

this is for MDE

because I genuinely haven't played anything but MD in limbus in weeks

or

okay more like... a week? two?

when was RR1 rerun

cuz with MDE gifts, the heishou will also be applying tremor with their wrath skills

among other things

but yeah I see your point

final setup

[gentle mulch]

rupture burn youre gonna wanna run mostly heishous yeah

since uh

ruptures a little sensitive

[stoic fjord]

again, not with MD gifts

I mean still a little I guess

[gentle mulch]

by floor 10 probably not but like

even having a little bit of ruptureless units are like

[stoic fjord]

I don't really need status damage I just need it for conditionals

[gentle mulch]

you risk stacks just blowing up

and also i think hong lu's skill 3 doesnt count as a rupture skill

and thats the highlight

[stoic fjord]

this is for MDE so I have full investment and have chicken and such

[stoic fjord]

possibly, yeah

anyways I'm grinding to try and UT4 Cinq Quixote

and then I'm running the team on MDE max

1, hoping for the peak run again

2, because I'm genuinely losing it and need this to keep holding on for 4 more days

[fickle crown]

Guys gals non-binary pals

What if

In the teaser

"Ticket" was the Index "parent"

The Thumb parent notably states that "Ticket" looks like shit and tells them to clean themself up

[stoic fjord]

ooooooo

[gentle mulch]

that does make more sense than "hey babyshu you look like dogshit clean yourself up asshole"

then again

it is the thumb

[fickle crown]

Plus we know the Proselyte ID is referred to as a Paper Slip

So is Ticket maybe a rank?

[stoic fjord]

paper slip proselyte.... ticket proselyte....

[fickle crown]

And given the Thumb's obsession with rank it wouldn't be weird for the Thumb parent to refer to the Index parent by rank

[keen palm]

https://www.tumblr.com/gingeraleconsumer/804023796575174656/how-i-imagine-the-beginning-of-canto-9-will-go?source=share

Gimger

How I imagine the beginning of canto 9 will go

-# #limbus company #project moon #canto 9 #tempted to do one of Hohenhiem too

Tumblr · Dec 26, 2025, 7:20 PM

[gentle mulch]

PLAY

PLAY

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLAY SAVE HOHENHEIM

[fickle crown]

Oh my god

Imagine the fucking divorce if Ryoshu leaving broke up the "family"

[gentle mulch]

THE WORST POLYCULE DIVORCE EVER

[fickle crown]

I imagine middle bro would be the most pissed about it

[split beacon]

They’re all gonna die and then AEDD will kick in and revive a clearly dead Hohenheim

[gentle mulch]

SURVIVOR'S GUILT!!

[fickle crown]

AEDD is just a fucking defibrillator lmao

[uneven canopy]

"Wake up dead boy, you don't wanna miss this"

[split beacon]

Yeah, it’s Automatic External Defibrillator D

What does the extra D stand for

Probably Device

[main scaffold]

Hohenhiem was in the trailer?

[stoic fjord]

no, but we're theorizing

iirc limbus sector is under attack, theory is that it's LCE

I think especially because of the presence of abnos in the trailer

[lean fjord]

it could just be an unrelated Limbus base too

[stoic fjord]

also true

[split beacon]

Specifically abnormalities we already beat

[stoic fjord]

idk why but "The Blade Lineage is now part of LCE and Bamboo-Hatted Kim is claiming bones with Dimension Shredder E.G.O weapon and it's an energy katana" will not leave my head

it's so fucking cool even if also patently ridiculous and insanely unlikely

[split beacon]

Folded into LCA

[stoic fjord]

okay hold on you might be cooking

[split beacon]

I’m always cooking just go look at #food-club some time

[stoic fjord]

LCE is too much of a long shot but I wouldn't put it past LC to have the funds to equip LCA with E.G.O gear

I've been checking actually

[main scaffold]

Ah

Madam Poggers (or Juniper) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) iirc limbus sector is under attack, theory is that it's LCE

[stoic fjord]

you're a very good cook from what I've seen

I lurk in like, every off-topic channel

...

okay not every

okay I'm actually fairly active in them besides food club

[gentle mulch]

also very explicit like

hey look the limbus company logo haha

someone's bleeding alll over it

cut to LCE looking facility being wrecked

[stoic fjord]

I need to learn how to draw so I can draw LCA Bamboo-Hatted Kim with Dimension Shredder E.G.O

but like

the E.G.O suit has samurai type vibes n shit

[split beacon]

You know

Dimension Shredder makes a ton of sense for Kim

He’s a wanderer with no route home anymore

[stoic fjord]

that's what we were sayinnnnnn

also him guiding others who are lost despite not knowing his own path either with the blade lineage

[split beacon]

The Blade Lineage fled S Corp and fought to find a new home and failed, were driven into the Library, returned, and then found themselves in yet another struggle for territory

[fickle crown]

Tbf though doesn't Limbus have multiple facilities set up in those hallways?

[gentle mulch]

... YES WHICH MEANS HOHENHEIM IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL AND COPING PEACEFULLY

thank god

[stoic fjord]

our head researcher GOAT is alive and healthy and is starting to spend time bonding with people again after having faced his trauma and guilt

[fickle crown]

On a more serious note while it does look like an LCE facility I'd assume Limbus is smart enough to not have just one

[gentle mulch]

i thought of it being the LCE facility because of the distinct panels they have in the destruction that mirror the containment areas LCE had in the checkup

waiiit

IT COULD BE AN UNRELATED FACILITY

YOU'RE SO RIGHT

[stoic fjord]

we're genuinely losing it

[gentle mulch]

THE TRIO LIVES AVAIN

[stoic fjord]

we're not making it 4 days

we're going to fall to Limbus induced psychosis before canto 9 drops

[fickle crown]

Also we can't have Bokgak for the checkup if hohenheim is dead trust

[gentle mulch]

No it's plausible

It's entirely plausible

dias has a lot of money

there's a lot of distortions

multiple facilities

it'll be fine

[worthy haven]

Ye

[fickle crown]

Also from my understanding

[stoic fjord]

right but like

[worthy haven]

also we know there are way more monoliths

[stoic fjord]

this is probably our "Find out" phase

[fickle crown]

Hohenheim's facility has a lot of unrelated Abnos too

[stoic fjord]

so I feel like they're gonna wanna hit us with something fucked

[worthy haven]

like LCA has been doing distortion containment and other shit during our entire journey

[stoic fjord]

before they go in for like, an actual fucking fatality while we're reeling

[worthy haven]

we basically know nothing about what LC does besides us and the research side

[fickle crown]

Also I know Dias has little regard for human life

But I get the express feeling she wouldn't want to lose a pawn as valuable as Hohenheim

[stoic fjord]

also true

[fickle crown]

Who is maybe one of a few actual high ranking ex-L Corp members

[stoic fjord]

actually yeah he's like

ex-Lob Corp

and fairly high ranking

that LCE facility gotta be hella stacked with security

[worthy haven]

We def need to meet LCD in person sometime!

[gentle mulch]

there are so many reasons why the LCE trio can stay alive

it'll be fine

so so fine

[fickle crown]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Limbus itself jumps in to actually help the LCB this time

Directly that is

Like this is a direct attack on the company

It's not really just the LCB's problem now

[split beacon]

LCB will be spearheading a counterattack by Limbus Company on a Syndicate

[fickle crown]

Also tbh I always viewed the LCB as like... Limbus company's deniable assets

[gentle mulch]

I believe it will go
Attack - LCB interception - LCA Arrival - Outis suited up vanguard big outis armor outising everywhere - LCB enters Big Syndy

[fickle crown]

We know Limbus functions on a much larger scale

But the LCB is a very weird branch

And fulfills a bit of a strange role compared to the others

[fickle crown]

Also another thing

I think that if it was the main facility (assuming LCE HQ is where Hohenheim's at) then Vergilius or some other powerful individual under Limbus' thumb would've been notified of the attack almost immediately

That is shit Limbus would absolutely not slack on compared to anything else given how much money Dias is pouring into distortion and abnormality research

[stoic fjord]

like, yeah, the LCA can gather the boughs just fine without us, aiui

but we're

1. directly connected to the boughs
2. maturing in spirit and strength in some way through this journey
3. a random gaggle of chucklefucks instead of prime LC employees

also way lower risk to throw at a problem because we do not suffer losses

[fickle crown]

And also Vergilius just

Existing

[stoic fjord]

yup

and also like

it keeps working

[fickle crown]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if he ends up having to break his contract in this canto too

[stoic fjord]

so they may as well

[fickle crown]

The Ring is involved

[stoic fjord]

Vergilius soloing like 9 ring maestros

[split beacon]

If anything

I think him breaking contract and being under punishment for a hot minute was setup so we can fight the Ring without wondering why he’s not jumping in this canto

[fickle crown]

Ahhh ok

Maybe

[stoic fjord]

ohhhhh yeah also fair

[fickle crown]

Tbh I think it also kinda works because the sinners are getting more competent and don't require as many bail outs

That said

This is something where Dante is gonna have to pull something out of their ass lmao

[stoic fjord]

I mean we've done that for the past 3 cantos straight

so like

yeah of course we will

[fickle crown]

Also it'd be fucking wild if Gebura's Durante ability is temporarily putting the sinners into EGO mode

[stoic fjord]

battle music changes to a remix of the LoR electric guitar with leitmotifs from each associated mili song for the sinners

[fickle crown]

"Fuck you"
Forces sudden realization

The opposite of a monolith

[stoic fjord]

honestly the more you say the more feasible this is sounding

[gentle mulch]

fuck you play my themesong

[split beacon]

Gebura’s Courage is gonna be some shit like “win a clash for sure”

[fickle crown]

Probably

[split beacon]

Just

[fickle crown]

I'm mostly joking about the whole like

[split beacon]

Get fucked up idiot

[fickle crown]

Gebura EGO thing

[split beacon]

Try and stop her

[stoic fjord]

imagining just how fucking peak the canto moment of it popping on Ryoshu will be

[fickle crown]

Woman too angry to lose a clash

[split beacon]

Hopeless clash after hopeless clash against Ryoshu’s dad because it’s predestined that he’ll win

[stoic fjord]

Ryoshu on 1 HP

the clock begins to glow

[fickle crown]

I do think there's gonna be a part 2 (or start of part 3) distorted Ryo fight though. This feels like another "oh shit the background is changing sin types oh fuck oh no-" moment

[split beacon]

And then she’s like “clock I need your help, I want to protect them… I need you to show me how to protect MY FAMILY”

And then

[stoic fjord]

"Ryoshu... I remember you're.... FAMILY"

[split beacon]

Blah blah I’ll show you the path

[fickle crown]

Plus the fact that Ryoshu normally lacks wrath

Which is essential to fuelling her EGO

[stoic fjord]

oh shit

yeah

[split beacon]

Wrathless because she denies herself the position and the dignity to get mad that things are wrong tbh

[fickle crown]

I do actually wonder if we're gonna have some family infighting too where we're forced to pick sides with the fingers (definitely gonna have lasting consequences)

[split beacon]

Ryoshu’s conditioned not to want more

[fickle crown]

gluttony S1 and evade say otherwise

[split beacon]

Sorry

Not to not WANT more

To not expect better

[fickle crown]

Yeah that fits her pride S3 better imo

She almost always looks down on other people's work too

[split beacon]

She’s got the mindset of every moment of solace and happiness is something you take from others

Rather than it being something she deserves because she’s a human being

[fickle crown]

I don't think there's a single moment where she's ever fully complimented anyone else's violence

[split beacon]

Will we get the explosive Ryoshu crash-out where she puts it together that it was never her fault that she was miserable, it was always because her “parents” were miserable bastards who wanted to mold her into a tool

Even when she was taught individuality and self-expression, it was as a means of violence

[stoic fjord]

Ryoshu becomes a kinder and more hopeful person after Canto 9 would be nice

[fickle crown]

I don't think it'll be explosive, in fact I'd argue Ryoshu is going to have one of the most dissatisfied and empty realizations of the sinners

This is gonna be a Heathcliff canto ending where nobody is happy at the end of it

Plus I think this'll actually be the fallout of her past crashout instead

She's just suffering the consequences of it now

[atomic steeple]

Fun fact
The Fingers will probably steal monoliths

[ebon forge]

I think I’ll go to anime expo as Carmen instead

It’s much easier lol

[stoic fjord]

oh. wait. yeah. that does seem about right

like....

4, 5 pretty good

6, fucked

7, bittersweet

8, pretty good

time to go back to fucked

[worthy haven]

tbf lcb is different but also got an entire wing of support in lcc which main job is basically being to help us

And we go everywhere in view that we are part of limbus

So I don't think you can count lcb as a deniable asset at all since we are in plain sight view really

[fickle crown]

Also I'm banking on the empty realization based on her WAW EGO line. This isn't about her overcoming anything, it's just her burning bridges and the horrific consequences crashing down on her after the fact. The theme of her cutting a knot of tangled strings apart also kinda supports this idea

[stoic fjord]

oh shit you're right

dude...

Heathcliff Canto ending is gonna look like fucking sunshine and rainbows compared to what Rysohu is about to experience

[worthy haven]

Will see if it's worse then Sinclair ending tho

Swiss German misery magnet

[fickle crown]

Sinclair honestly got off easy all things considered

Which like

The bar is in hell lmao

But his (current) tormentor at the time was killed and they were actually successful despite the near death experience

[worthy haven]

I don't think you can say Sinclair got of easy xd

He causes tragedy and then could not even exact any form of vengeance/penance etc

[fickle crown]

I do think the main thing is the fact that he's due for more suffering later

[stoic fjord]

I mean Kromer got fucking slimed with 7 Mang

[worthy haven]

Ye but not by us

I think for Sinclair that is a pretty big wound

[stoic fjord]

and like, even if he didn't get closure, he at least managed to face his past and fucking crawled up a mountain of bodies while his legs were melting

he at least got to try

Heathcliff just. (canto 6 spoilers) ||was forced to give up. he didn't get to even try against impossible odds. the odds just decided.||

like I'm sure they both felt absolutely fucking miserable after the fact but like. (canto 6 spoilers) ||Heathcliff fr got told by himself it was all his fault, and then saw a better world that he is then barred from ever being able to achieve||

[fickle crown]

||ngl I think that was also kind of what broke the Erlking enough to make him properly fade||

[stoic fjord]

also true

[fickle crown]

||The infinite death of Cathy was needed but that was just the last blow||

||There was a time where they could've ended their lives happily, but now it's out of both of their reaches||

[worthy haven]

Hmm I might be the weird one out but I always feel like ||canto 6 ending was good for heathcliff even if for him now it feels like the worst||

[stoic fjord]

I think it's like

I agree

but also it still fucking sucks

like he can start to try and move on and heal, we see a physical manifestation of that

but also like

he genuinely lost fucking everything he had dear to him besides the bus crew and it's not like we're super close friends or anything

also maybe just me but people who are happy and healthy do not snooze every chance they get

[worthy haven]

Like Sinclair!

[fickle crown]

I think that's more of a consequence of him having to be hypervigilant as a child

[lean fjord]

it definitely was good for him in some ways

[stoic fjord]

also true

[stoic fjord]

yeah fair

hrm

wait

3, 6, 9

this is a pattern

multiples of 3 get to lose everything and be miserable

[lean fjord]

||and as much as losing Cathy is rough, he hasn't lost hope to find her again||

[stoic fjord]

Faust is in for a treat

[stoic fjord]

also true, ||with "REMEMBER" carved into his club and such ||

[worthy haven]

And I don't even know if he lost everything because that kinda implies he had something to begin with, but all that he had was kinda just flimsy connections with thorns. Like ||from all that we know I think we can say that Cathy kinda really sucked||

[stoic fjord]

I guess that is also true

[worthy haven]

He perceives that he lost a lot ye

[lean fjord]

his connections to the manor always only hurt him really

other than Cathy

[stoic fjord]

Cathy still hurt him even if not intentionally

[ebon forge]

Cathy is a good-intentioned person, iirc?

[worthy haven]

Like ||holy shit like the fact that Cathy was able to build that setup in the basement or finance it is so scary||

[stoic fjord]

yeah, it's fairly far removed from the books aiui

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah that's true idk what's up with all that shit

or

wait no ||it was because she was trying to do an Erlking as well, right?||

[worthy haven]

||I think she got convinced by the mirror cathy ghost right?||

[fickle crown]

Yeah

[worthy haven]

Which is.....wow

[stoic fjord]

tbf it was similar to Erlking

[ebon forge]

Mirror tech is scary

[fickle crown]

||Nelly was the true villain though and effectively orchestrated the entire mess from showing Cathy the mirror to making sure she had no contact from Heathcliff||

[stoic fjord]

that as well yeah

[worthy haven]

Hmm I would not call her true villain

[ebon forge]

Kromer.

[crimson spindle]

the true villain as always is capitalism

[worthy haven]

I don't even really ||see Nelly as that big of a villain. She was also a person bruised and scarred by the manor until she hit her breaking point||

[stoic fjord]

Capitalism/the Manor is the real villain of every story

as KZA just said

[worthy haven]

In the end she accomplished exactly what she wanted which is for heath to somewhat(?) move on or continue in a new direction and not go circles

[fickle crown]

I honestly don't think so. Like everyone else in the manor, she did everything in an entirely self serving manner

She was shown a future where she was a miserable old crone with nothing going for her and decided that she never wanted that to be a possibility

I think that indirectly helped Heathcliff but the motivation was ultimately selfish

[crimson spindle]

everyone who looked in the mirror in the manor saw a future rushing toward them and then blundered into it trying to avoid it

[fickle crown]

That's some Greek prophecy shit ngl

[worthy haven]

I suppose Nelly did trade servitude for servitude

[ebon forge]

My limbus merch is shipping

[stoic fjord]

peak

[worthy haven]

I def don't really view Nelly in that negative of a light

[stoic fjord]

I don't particularly view any one person in Canto 6 as like, an overt villain.

Manor related, at least.

[fickle crown]

I view her in a largely negative light but I can't say I don't see most of Wuthering Heights in the same thorny envy-soaked light

[atomic steeple]

Josephine

[worthy haven]

Hermann my goat

I am fucking itching for her

[atomic steeple]

Hindley

[worthy haven]

Pls give us more

[crimson spindle]

the thing that canto 6 most takes from the original wuthering heights is that the manor is a miserable place that makes everyone in it miserable

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah Hindley was a complete ass but like. it's not like he's solely responsible for it.

[crimson spindle]

what it reverses is who is most responsible for the miserable conditions when heathcliff returns

[atomic steeple]

Novel joseph was a bastard

[stoic fjord]

he's an abusive asshole, he's not the capital V Villain

[fickle crown]

Wuthering Heights is just an allegory for what it feels like to live in Birmingham

https://tenor.com/view/birmingham-brittish-brit-pov-sonder-gif-12430170985001984944

[crimson spindle]

because it skips for obvious reasons the long period where heathcliff returns after cathy's death and turns the place into hhell

as his vicarious revenge on everyone who made him miserable enough to leave

instead cathy has turned the place into a more literal hell out of her misery

[stoic fjord]

a single heart to heart could have prevented this

[crimson spindle]

the theme it is maintaining is that heathcliff and cathy are miserable together and miserable apart

tearing the manor and everyone in it to pieces

[fluid whale]

ain't that the point of the whole canto? neither of them could be honest with each other, neither had the courage

[stoic fjord]

yeah lmao

[fluid whale]

a single heart to heart could have prevented this, but

[crimson spindle]

the only time there is peace is when they finally are both dead and lying, peacefully, side by side in their graves

[stoic fjord]

if you don't communicate in your relationships your evil multiverse self will genuinely fuck up everything

[fickle crown]

I'm gonna be real, Nelly really didn't help with the communication thing

[crimson spindle]

that heart to heart will never happen though

because they're both too proud and stubborn to admit it

[fickle crown]

I don't think Heathcliff is proud so much as he thinks he's so beneath Cathy he simply can't ask for her love yet

[crimson spindle]

we blame the little moments they missed each other but fundamentally the thesis of the book that is continued in the canto is that Class (and racism) Is Keeping Them Separated

and that separation destroys everything around them and then them

[atomic steeple]

That can still involvevpride

Not admitting your inferiority

[stoic fjord]

no it's not even like

he's inferior

it's that he thinks he is

and thus not worthy of even trying

[crimson spindle]

that is fundamentally a sort of pride

[stoic fjord]

okay yeah by Limbus definition it definitely is

the idea that you are uniquely pitiful and wretched

[atomic steeple]

No irl we call that pride too

[keen palm]

Heath and Cathy both were so self-centered they inadverdently villified each other

[stoic fjord]

fair

[keen palm]

Heath assumed Cathy, the most perfect girl in the world that he loved more than anything, was still so classist she wouldn't love him for who he was

[atomic steeple]

Iroh: pride is not the opposite of shame, it's the source

[keen palm]

Cathy assumed that Heathcliffe, who suffered the entirety of Wuthering Heights for her his entire life, wouldn't be able to bare the pain of her existence

[stoic fjord]

shit u right

I can't believe I forgot Iroh's wisdom 😭

[keen palm]

They both sucked supremely

[crimson spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuuObGsB0No

[keen palm]

Like what Heath did to Hindley was cruel even if what Hindley did to him was cruel

[stoic fjord]

none of the sinners are good people, they're just endearing and sympathetic so we like them

[keen palm]

and what Cathy did to Linton was cruel beyond measure even if Linton consented

[stoic fjord]

oh shit yeah everything with cathy and linton was fucked up

like

genuinely horrible shit

[golden meadow]

the earnshaws and the lintons where both incredibly fucked up because they were wierd victorian rich people

[ebon forge]

Just wondering, what kind of songs would the sinners sing

[stoic fjord]

pass on /j

[ebon forge]

I can’t stop thinking about Hong Lu covering I/Me/Myself

[worthy haven]

I could see Heath rocking with Running up that hill or wuthering heights lol

[stoic fjord]

good question a friend posed about the City

how does the population exist

who is having children

okay looked into it more

apparently the Claws will fucking kill you if you harm a residential area

[ebon forge]

Good lord

Trans wrathball hong Lu…

[cosmic gorge]

House of the Dead deeplore of there being clone pods of the same type of person scattered everywhere

I dunno

[stoic fjord]

I think it's mainly like

we've been following mercenaries and corp employees n stuff

not like, suburban families with an office worker as the breadwinner

[ebon forge]

Why do I feel like Hong Lu has like, a really repressed wrath

[stoic fjord]

so of course we see the violence and uber hell

[ebon forge]

Like, Sinclair is in denial about his wrath

[stoic fjord]

that boy has an S3 Wrath on his W Corp ID

[ebon forge]

But Hong Lu… he feels like there’s something hiding there, yeah

[ebon forge]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying

Isn’t his R corp the wrathy one

[stoic fjord]

both have wrath S3 iirc

charge lu mad as hell damn

[ebon forge]

Like, Lord Hong Lu is awfully wrathful too

[stoic fjord]

mhm

even if not reflected in his skills

you do not purge the entire ruling class in a violent coup without at least a little anger in your heart

[cosmic gorge]

Hunter Hong is viciously wrathful

[ebon forge]

Yeah I wanna see him get a part 2 where he actually crashes the fuck out and slaughters everyone in a crazed mania so horrific even Ryoshu is disgusted

[stoic fjord]

Step aside, Heathcliff and Sinclair

The real wrath man has yet to show

[stoic fjord]

Hong Lu ID with 3 wrath skills and a wrath counter

[ebon forge]

REAL

[stoic fjord]

3 alternate skills, all wrath

[ebon forge]

Gebura Hong Lu would be fucking hilarious

[main scaffold]

Well, we see what he did to the elders when they endangered Xichun

Carmen & Hong Lu ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Why do I feel like Hong Lu has like, a really repressed wrath

[stoic fjord]

Right but he still was like

"I wish you eternal peace in super ultra turbo hell"

So like really fucking mad but I would not call that wrath maxxing

Like this was not lashing out I think this was moreso actual years of resentment coming to fruition

Rather than immediate anger and violent urges

[main scaffold]

True

[cloud wadi]

Only during night in the backstreets

Otherwise only thing keeping the nasties out of your home is a thin metal door

[cloud wadi]

That’s clearly incorrect though

[stoic fjord]

Yeah probably

[cloud wadi]

Since we have multiple incidents of syndicate members breaking down doors to kill people

Inside residential buildings

[stoic fjord]

Oh yeah true

Hrm

Yeah so why the fuck do people have kids

[cloud wadi]

Like Gloria kills the artist in his own home

[stoic fjord]

That wasn't damage to his household though, right?

Just killing him

[cloud wadi]

And in Distotion detective a bunch of thumb squad breaks into a house just before night in the backstreet and slaughter everyone inside

To avoid the sweepers

And Ricardo kicks down the door to the kezhan he assumed is a residential building

Without thinking he was breaking taboo

[ebon forge]

I assume the difference lies in the intent

Like, if it’s just random collateral, no way

[eternal berry]

There’s like remote schools for Backstreet kids, things like that. People adapt

[ebon forge]

I’m pretty sure Don has a e-magazine subscription and an iPad

[cosmic gorge]

Would the City's cruel overlords demand its Nest residents have nuclear families to keep churning out citizens

[fickle crown]

tbf I think there's a difference between kicking the door down and demolishing an entire house

[ebon forge]

But I bet the LCB limits her screen time a lot

[cloud wadi]

He was keeping them out with a locked door

Gloria breaks it down to get to him

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhh ok