Project Moon Games: Lobcorp, Ruina, Etc.

[fickle crown]

That and also raising them all is horrendous...

[stoic fjord]

it's just IDs or shards

[fickle crown]

Also like it or not

I do believe Thumbclair deserved to be a 00 ID

[stoic fjord]

I miss not spending 6 trillion thread for a team to become usable

[fickle crown]

Like he's not bad by any means

Don't get me wrong on that

But I do also vehemently believe that he'd be better categorized as a 00 with numbers to match

[split beacon]

To be honest

[fickle crown]

That and also there were a lot of lost opportunities with all of the different grunts we were getting in this canto

[split beacon]

I get the core issue is that 00s are wasted banner slots in that they end up outpaced by recentish 000s no matter what because their numbers are inferior

[stoic fjord]

I think gacha has skewed the idea of rarity and viability to an extent

I think a fair amount of IDs could do as 00s with more support focus, being viable but not as expensive to upgrade and not quite so much the same heavy hitters

[split beacon]

But what Limbus needs is 00s that clash fine and then don’t have wacky gimmicks like their associated 000s they support do

[fickle crown]

Hong Lord is actually a gluttony ID because he'll eat all of your thread so his archetype can be functional

[split beacon]

That would remove the 00/000 disparity problem but still have rarity be useful as a concept lol

[stoic fjord]

hrmmm

00 Si Gregor and Youclair would be kinda nice, yeah

[split beacon]

Butler Faust is peak 00 design for me

[fickle crown]

We need more 00s that either gimp enemy clash power or get clash power with conditionals

[split beacon]

Like, my ideal 00 is an ID that props up a powerful gimmick the entire team pitches into in various ways without having their own wincon necessarily

So that the box topper 000 for that team, or even 000s 2 and 3, can capitalize and go nutty

[stoic fjord]

yeah

I think it'd be neat if 00 to 000 ratios were like

at least 50/50

there are some 000s I've really liked that would maybe not exist without so many 000s existing

but I think 00s are important

[split beacon]

it is true that if 00s existed this season my n corp meme machine would not

[gentle mulch]

i like 00s because of the experimentation

oh yeah what if yi sang found a weird rock and suddenly became rupture positive and died

00s that are EGO resource monsters would be nice

would save the trouble of having to bum a lighter every mirror dungeon

[split beacon]

real

[gentle mulch]

like i do want to lean into the whole hey btw limbus users you should expect your sinners to die mid battle

but when every ID is like well this is the next coolest thing since sliced bread I'm bringing out the old reliable fluid sac in story

00 rat heishou that's built for Kong Hongs Life From Death would be awesome

(the generic mao and si branches contributing towards that more would be nice, too, given they're pretty much the same kits except for rodion who has unfocused volley)

and like technically the you branch are built to die but spamming retreat order makes them jump people harder than the mao do???

[fickle crown]

You Heath unironically has insane staying power

[stoic fjord]

genuinely I think the only H Corp team ID with more staying power is Wu Sang

and like

that's fucking insane

[fickle crown]

Wu Sang just doesn't give a shit

You Heathcliff simply stops giving a shit

[stoic fjord]

most fragile team alive + the "we don't feel like dying this century" brothers

the adepts are fucking cracked

[lean fjord]

his S3 heals him a ton

[gentle mulch]

just kill people just kill and never stop killing and it all works out

you heathcliff is crazy good

[stoic fjord]

NSang is actually so fucking fun

and also much nicer to grind with

[stoic fjord]

Gregor, Rodion, and their 12 beautiful daughters

[dusty sigil]

A wonderful family

[stoic fjord]

Sloshmael's S1 and S2 names are revolting

[tiny cave]

Level 55 UT4 LCB Sinners

[gentle mulch]

you gotta level the base IDs for canto 12

[stoic fjord]

funny but their only gifts are from Regular Checkup and those are not enough

and the decent IDs don't have enough keywords to make it work too well I think

I'm still kind of ass at the game so I don't actually know how to get super high numbers without team gifts

[tiny cave]

Honestly if you have thread and ego shards leftover, with no idea what to do with it

I’d just UT4 some EGOs

[stoic fjord]

oh not even remotely lmao

I'm struggling to scrounge up enough thread to do every MD team I want to try

[tiny cave]

Real (except I’m struggling to scrounge up enough to use my egoshards that are left over)

[cloud wadi]

IF YOU WANTED TO CATCH A TIGER

YOU SHOULD HAVE PREPARED TO BE CAUGHT YOURSELVES

[main scaffold]

I can hear the <…>

[cloud wadi]

would you still love me if my crimes can be measured in multiples of stalin

[cosmic gorge]

Outis literally said "would you still love me if I was a worm mass murderer 🥺 " and the fact its her Most gap moe so far is hilarious

[gentle mulch]

it's peak writing

the gap moe is [sincerely] would you love me if i committed mass murder

since like

every other line is her being like "yes haha lets kill the underperforming yesss my espionage my upwards mobility haha. my machinations"

and she says this like everyone doesnt know she's a mass murderer

absolutely peak

[cosmic gorge]

Her secondmost gap moe moment is how sad she looked when dant thought she was actually gonna betray them for that conniving hcorp backstabber

[gentle mulch]

the fuckin

mspaint tails being shocked face

[tiny cave]

“But hypothetically lets say this person was also faithful to their wife despite temptation from a nymph and a demigod”

“That would hypothetically make up for it right?”

[main scaffold]

<…>

[stoic fjord]

the entire LCB has roughly 3 braincells to share and I think most of the time they're solidly with Yi Sang, Faust, and Heathcliff

[faint pivot]

Meursault occasionally borrows all three simultaneously but only if told to

[gentle mulch]

meursault has a 401k with all his braincells stored in there

[cosmic gorge]

Also thank you random limbus canto 12 fan vid for introducing me to a new band

[stoic fjord]

mood

I've been listening to Glass Beach non-stop for like

4 days straight

I think I'm cooking with this team

fell bullet kills Outis and Faust as sacrifices, activating the Ryoshu passive

and like

in general I think it's quite solid

nvm I'm a fucking fraud

it has to be enemy attacks

someone put me out of my misery

[wild mango]

spoilers for canto 6, support request ||uh, does anyone have a KK heath that i could get supported real quick? goin through canto 6||

[atomic steeple]

Gonna sleep now, if you still need him tomorrow I'm gane

[gentle mulch]

one sec

[gentle mulch]

T693161100

pinged reply cuz

yk.

i might actually change things so that my favorite sinners just

have all their ids on borrow

[wild mango]

sent

thanks!

[gentle mulch]

y up

updating all the EGOs i got now

which isnt a lot

alright

kkheath ready

[ebon forge]

10four

i saw the most incredible theory ever

dante switches gender randomly cuz of bough resonance

it makes so much sense when you look at heathy

[faint pivot]

What is

[stoic fjord]

Drifting Blade Ryoshu

Her passive that has her use her S3

[faint pivot]

What

Including ally death?

[stoic fjord]

Yeah, the ally death/damage one

[faint pivot]

Aw

[stoic fjord]

It has to be an enemy attack from what I can tell

NSang funny didn't work

[faint pivot]

Well to be fair

I think they want the regular N Sang funny to be distinct from the N duo funny

[hybrid lynx]

whuh

[ebon forge]

heath has a ton of trans ids

[hybrid lynx]

oh yeah

[ebon forge]

i believe that the boughs can make you transition

[hybrid lynx]

only ones i can think of are pequod and sunshower. any others?

[true bluff]

Has there been any annoucements for the season end yet

[ebon forge]

dec 31

Fullstop is Tamaki

whose a woman

[faint pivot]

Thought that probably belongs in the Odyssey chat (NSFW): ||They're used as foundations of forcefem too, I imagine||

[ebon forge]

REAL

[faint pivot]

I attribute this thought to @stoic fjord

[ebon forge]

im chucking you there now.

[faint pivot]

I consent but I'll likely be lurking as per usual

[main scaffold]

the heck is an odyssey chat

[faint pivot]

Y'know how r/theodysseyhadapurpose was known for being an NSFW sub alongside a shitpost sub?

Well

NSFW is purged there now but

The chat's named after that cause that's where we quarantine thoughts along those lines LMAO

[main scaffold]

No...?

red_d_terrarian ↩️

[Reply to:](#1208554035326484531 message) Y'know how r/theodysseyhadapurpose was known for being an NSFW sub alongside a shitpost sub?

[faint pivot]

I say we like I've always been there but I've just heard of it in passing

[ebon forge]

if you've seen any of the okbuddy[thing] subs youll understand

its kinda reddit lore

[faint pivot]

Tl;dr: It's a chat made by this slice of the PNet Pmoon fans as a place to go to share NSFW fanart/thoughts/etc..

[ebon forge]

and generally anything that wouldnt fit within standard rules lol

like

there's some gorey shit

we wont share here

(i burnt my faust to a chrisp)

[faint pivot]

Wait what

Uhhhh

I recall sending that here at least twice, whoops

[faint pivot]

Hopefully this is a false memory LMAO

[ebon forge]

and the ryodon

that ryodon

[fickle crown]

Guh...

Actually fucking torture

I was actually fucking afraid I was going to get stuck on the check and have to do Line 1 Madness all over again

Aaand here are the packs

I'm not doing MDE with her

That's just

God please no

[keen palm]

Who eventually gets the Papa Don ID you think

It'd have to be Hong Lu right

[fluid whale]

Ehh, Yi Sang is also pretty good at having dangerous flights of fancy and neglecting everything around him, but HL is probably first in line for it yeah

[ebon forge]

hong lu works well

[ebon forge]

imo its more yi sang than hongler

[faint pivot]

I am reminded of The Potato

[ebon forge]

i feel like yeah

potato

and i feel like hong lu is a bit too nihilistic somehow

yi sang has that like, stuck in a past, stuck in an idea motif too, right?

stuck in la manchaland, unable to accept it, while letting himself die

because he was born for a kinder world type shit

[fluid whale]

Well, the thing is like, there will probably be some level of resignation in the ID story, but you have to have the passion initially to set off on the journey papa Don does

[ebon forge]

tbh im more familiar with irl sang than pre/post canto sang

[fluid whale]

In order to set everything up you have to have someone in that role who sets off on a quest, who has an idea most ingenious

[ebon forge]

cantos 1-4 are a bit blurry to me

mirror inventor has that in him

[faint pivot]

That definitely sounds like Yi Sang

[tiny cave]

Does Yi Sang even have any bleed IDs outside of fell bullet

Oh Ring

[dawn stone]

wait why did no one tell me there was a pm thread on pnet til now

[zinc pewter]

if i knew you sooner i wouldve highkey

[dawn stone]

this is like. my two biggest hyperfixations in one place? by ra!

[bronze zephyr]

i explode

KoDya exists,,,,,,,,,

[dawn stone]

at least she looks nice

[neat cedar]

it's S0 rodya baybee

[neat cedar]

and is walpurg only

so it's still good to.have a sinking rodion that isn't walpurg locked

also, Blunt fragility is a nice thing to.see on an s2

[bronze zephyr]

Walpurg is gonna be running more frequently tho and Kodya is one of the best units, its worth to just skip Reindeer and go for Kodya imo but it is true that she looks cool

[neat cedar]

counter point: seasons end

so if ever there was a time to cash in ur shards

now is the time

and more specifically

this rodya seems like she's going to be a monster at potency application

so she still.has a use

assuming the passive is going to be a wrath res

[bronze zephyr]

sure yeah, im just a big kodya fan
and Rodya getting another status like tremor wouldve been nice instead of another sinking charge
but, oh well

[neat cedar]

or might be owned

[dawn stone]

my poor dieci rodya

she's good i promise

[bronze zephyr]

ToT

[atomic steeple]

Okay, now I wanna join the odyssey chat

[ebon forge]

you sure?

i forgot to ask for consent first lol

[worthy haven]

ye but this one is super nice for the envy blunt/charge team

[atomic steeple]

Hm, is it only horny or?

[cosmic gorge]

makes me think
if we have envy blunt and price pierce, what's slash? gluttony?

[worthy haven]

atm i would say so ye

[atomic steeple]

Okay, then maybe not

I have too many servers atm

So I gotta justify adding, in some way

That or be in a reckless no second thought mood

[ebon forge]

its a group chat

and mostly that but only cuz we dont talk too much

like, its actually dead asf

[stoic fjord]

He worked to start the League of the Nine and was a genuinely quite passionate inventor even if rather quiet

[stoic fjord]

Tbh this is why I think it'd be Yi Sang and not Hong Lu

[faint pivot]

Pequod

[faint pivot]

Same, always nice to be in good company

[faint pivot]

Just incase: at what point in the story are you at

[faint pivot]

Judging by the focus on Charge and that rather conspicuous Sinking Multiplier passive, I feel like Rodya is gonna be more of a Charge ID that just so happens to tank the enemy team's SP very quickly

[cosmic gorge]

is she adding sinking to herself?

are her coins negative?

[faint pivot]

In an ideal world my guess would be right leaving us with:

• Dieci Ro, the best tank of the three and the most consistent thanks to discard and Dieci lock
• Kodya, the best single target eliminator and most flexible since she can swap between tank and DPS
• Chrodya, the most volatile of the three as she has the potential to heavily impede either your enemies or your team

[faint pivot]

Unclear

[dawn geyser]

im sad dieci rodya got dethroned as the rime shank queen

like she's good but,

not using kodya just feels like im nerfing myself

[faint pivot]

Why can there not be two queens

Three, even

[dawn geyser]

sadly i can only have 1 rodya per team

[faint pivot]

While this may be objectively true...I won't lie this game's replay value kinda tanks the more you run the strongest stuff lmao

[dawn geyser]

what even does sinking looks like nowadays

my team is most certainly outdated now

[faint pivot]

This is why I've been using Hong Lord as a support ID for Burn

[dawn geyser]

i think i had Wildcliff, Dieci Rodya, Butler Outis, Reindeer Hongler, Crabmael and something

[true bluff]

when does the new Reindya come out

[cosmic gorge]

i miss sevenfaust i should call her

[faint pivot]

I forgot deployment order but iirc it's Kodya, Huntcliff, Spice/Solemn Sang, Molarmael/Fudamael, Butler Fau + Outie, and your pick of Ramdon, R Lu, and EdGreg

[dawn geyser]

oh solemn lament sang that was the one

[faint pivot]

Speaking of there's a video about the pre-Heishou Rupture team taking on 8-30 fairly well

[dawn geyser]

so i see the only outdated unit is dieci on there, nice

i do have butler faust but i never actually used her idk

just for the passive

[tiny cave]

Ah right that’s a bleed ID

[dawn geyser]

she is??? i thought she was just poise for some reason

[faint pivot]

Who

[dawn geyser]

pequod mael

[faint pivot]

Pequod Sang is bloise

[dawn geyser]

wait im stupid

[faint pivot]

Pequod Mael is blurnoise

Except the burn is teeny tiny

[dawn geyser]

do we even count the harpoon thing

yeah

[faint pivot]

She counts for MD triple status teams

[dawn geyser]

ive noticed it do anything about zero times

[faint pivot]

So yes

[dawn geyser]

ohhhh that would check out

[cloud wadi]

Better question

What should we expect for the first release ids for Ryoshu canto

[true bluff]

snaust

[faint pivot]

I'd be astonished if they weren't Finger goons

Question is, from which one

...wait no that's a little obvious

[cloud wadi]

Ring?

[faint pivot]

We haven't seen the Index yet

[cloud wadi]

Oh right yeah

Index makes sense

[faint pivot]

Or rather Ryo hasn't pointed out her involvement with her at the very least

[tiny cave]

Why the heck does Christmas Rodion self sink

[faint pivot]

Having our first clash be during her canto would complete the hand

[true bluff]

normally there's a bit of a lead up on who we are dealing with no?

[tiny cave]

Is she a negative coin ID

[hybrid lynx]

During a convo with heathcliff we realized there wasn’t index IDs yet which is a bit weird

[faint pivot]

Not pre-canto

[faint pivot]

Which Heathcliff?

[faint pivot]

Unclear

[hybrid lynx]

Base

He’s a pretty nice guy to talk to

[cloud wadi]

So it makes sense to start with index

[true bluff]

I could have sworn we had a lead up with the intercanto before 7..

[faint pivot]

Seems like the standard fare IDs are the experiment platforms seeing that 00s are being tabled for now

[faint pivot]

That intervallo is an exception to the norm

It could be the new norm tbf

[true bluff]

then again we haven't had a new new intervallo

[tiny cave]

Hmm fair but still seems weird
R Ish has the san loss if she doesn’t do damage but iirc R hong doesn’t have anything like that

Anyway self sinking welcome back potential man

[faint pivot]

But we aren't getting a hint unless:

• Chrodya mentions a Finger in her UT story (as trends indicate that the last ID released in a season foreshadows something about either the next season's star sinner or an org that'll show up)
• Canto 9 is delayed and we get an intervallo as promised

[faint pivot]

Tbf, that's Hong Lu

[true bluff]

going in raw dog then

[faint pivot]

And R Hong is notably special among the Hongs

[cosmic gorge]

canto 9 is already releasing at new year

the day before new year

its funny

[faint pivot]

That's still a target no?

[stoic fjord]

Self-sinking negative coin... welcome back Sunshower

[faint pivot]

Not like, a locked-in thing?

[true bluff]

its a target as the in game thing hasn't updated.

if they locked it in, they definitely would have changed that

[faint pivot]

Roger

Fucking

[stoic fjord]

I think the main things I'm hoping for are uhhhh

[faint pivot]

Istg if we fight R Corp next canto

[true bluff]

because also they haven't put out any actual trailers for 9 yet either to my knowledge.

[faint pivot]

No trailers, just the BP/capstone EGO art yea

[stoic fjord]

1. Thumb Outis or Thumb Gregor
2. Index Yi Sang, Index Meursault, Index Hong Lu
3. Ring Ryoshu
4. Big Sister of the Middle Rodion/Big Brother of the Middle Heathcliff

[true bluff]

yeah, then its still a target I think.

[faint pivot]

Big Sister of the Middle Ishmael where she's Queequeg except she never left

[stoic fjord]

I can't even lie if big sister rodion dropped my brain chemistry would be fundamentally altered

[stoic fjord]

My honest reaction the millisecond I lay eyes on Big Sister of the Middle Rodion:

[faint pivot]

Literal big sister

Hell, who knows

We might get a Great Sister seeing how we've nabbed a Capo IV and a Class 4 Feather

[tiny cave]

i feel like great sister rodion is going to be the most fanservicey id in a while

[stoic fjord]

I don't think Capo is equivalent to Great Sister

[faint pivot]

MagiDon:

[stoic fjord]

I think Great Sister would be more of sottocapo level

[faint pivot]

I note Capo IV because it's just a smidge under Sottocapo

And because well

The person that ID is based on isn't exactly commonplace

[tiny cave]

yeah but also Rodion wearing what mid don is wearing

[queen bridge]

Where can I see the design?

[faint pivot]

Ok true

[faint pivot]

We're just speculating lmao

[queen bridge]

Oh

I love meursaults la mancharad design

No way I spelled that right

[faint pivot]

Manchaland, but same

[true bluff]

its pretty rad

[tiny cave]

la munchyland

[faint pivot]

Long hair Meursault...

[queen bridge]

Yes

I thought it was a hetahcliff id at first

[cloud wadi]

Great sister would probably be a sottocapo yeah since they are in charge of a cardinal direction

[faint pivot]

And he rocks the fit amazingly well

[queen bridge]

Gimme more heathcliff

[cloud wadi]

||Lei Heng is probably more class 5 employee right||

[faint pivot]

We just got two of him this season lmao

[cloud wadi]

Rather than C4

[queen bridge]

But none as good as wild hunt design wise

[faint pivot]

Spoiler that name, at least two people haven't beaten canto 8 here

[queen bridge]

I’m at canto three

[faint pivot]

Shit

[queen bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-happy-kid-happy-dog-lollipop-gif-7978029953394407722

[faint pivot]

I mixed you up with someone else LMAO

Well make that three

[true bluff]

well you said atleast

[faint pivot]

And you'll probably forget the convo when you get there anyhow

[faint pivot]

To be fair...it's Wild Hunt Heathcliff

[queen bridge]

Now I definitely won’t

[queen bridge]

Yes

[cloud wadi]

More also not that much of a spoiler hak hak hak

[true bluff]

yeah the ID list kinda...throws alot of story spoilers in your face

[queen bridge]

Also out of curiosity what character has probably the weirdest following

My friend said meursault is up there

[cloud wadi]

Kromer

[true bluff]

define weirdest

[queen bridge]

Out of the sinners

I should’ve specified

[cloud wadi]

Oh

Outis

[queen bridge]

I’ve never seen an outis fan

[faint pivot]

I'm sure that one out of the two I remembered first is more than capable of putting together a cohesive and accurate guess just through the context clues

[tiny cave]

binah

oh out of the sinners

outis probably

[faint pivot]

I'm not sure if they backread but hey, just to be safe

[true bluff]

I'd say gregor because I've not seen a gregor fan, so they gotta be real recluse.

[tiny cave]

is the kromer following weirder than the alfonso following? or the ahab following?

[faint pivot]

Brb need to figure out who I took this one friend code from cause they have Only Gregor in their Company

[cloud wadi]

Director claimed he had no favorite sinner

[true bluff]

thats a lie

[cloud wadi]

And then immediately started spamming Outis art on twitter

[tiny cave]

7faust is always #1 in my company until the binah id comes out

[faint pivot]

I know I took it from here

[true bluff]

I was about to say

[stoic fjord]

I feel like all three of these groups are pretty much just horny

[true bluff]

guy loves outis

[faint pivot]

Wasn't there a recent merch drop that was just Outis

[stoic fjord]

They're not like. Outright deranged

[tiny cave]

that's like all of the (character) followings

[stoic fjord]

Fair

[tiny cave]

it'd be easier to name the (character) followings that aren't horny

[stoic fjord]

God knows what I've seen posted about Caposault

[tiny cave]

which is probably like the hokma following

[cloud wadi]

Outis is the funniest person I know

[stoic fjord]

No there's absolutely a few mfs who want to fuck the old man

[cloud wadi]

Come on Outis tell the joke about bug people wedding

[fickle crown]

The trans Gregor fanon

[stoic fjord]

Like zero doubt in my mind that he's got a dedicated thirster or twelve

[true bluff]

I was gonna say, does the person have a body? Yes? then the following is down bad.

[tiny cave]

there was a poll on /r/libraryofruina a while back

[fickle crown]

Arth

[tiny cave]

lemme see if i can find it

[fickle crown]

Arth you don't understand

Some people will find a way to fuck a concept

[faint pivot]

SIMP AFTER ME AND NOT A YOU SCRUNGLY OLD MAN /rp

[true bluff]

no I do understand.

this isn't like new fangled to me.
people are down bad. its a concept as old as time.

but normally if there's a depiction of something, it just will be easier to be down bad for it.

[faint pivot]

Y'know someone here guessed that Rodion's the cause of the massive casualties

And well

That skill 3 and support passive are pretty clear smoking guns

[true bluff]

Mind whip for reindeer have always been indiscriminate.

[faint pivot]

Scuse me, skill name

[fickle crown]

That was me

[tiny cave]

https://www.reddit.com/r/libraryofruina/comments/kpg8ir/based_on_the_which_floor_would_you_rather_be_in/

[faint pivot]

I wonder if her Mind Whip being an s3 is a sign of her being better or just plain worse

Than her colleagues

In-universe

Cause on the one hand her Mind Whip is stronger, on the other she's using it half as frequently

[tiny cave]

anyway all 10 people in the binah picture are me

[faint pivot]

72 TB/s WiFi holy fucking shit

[fickle crown]

She probably has insane charge buildup on S3 use like Hong Lu

[true bluff]

yeah had to adjust my wording there as I meant mind whip but I have only been using Rein Lu, so for me its the skill 2.

[faint pivot]

I won't lie folks I think I'd love Yesod's floor

[true bluff]

I keep having to use defence skills turn 1 with rein lu to avoid blowing myself up with mind whip

[fickle crown]

Ishmael is still arguably the "best" of the bunch by virtue of her having an evade and an S3 that's indiscriminate over an indiscriminate S2

Like she's actually very evergreen imo

• strength gain on gloom res

So she's almost always clashing well as long as she does damage

But yeah, I think Rosespanner Rodion started this trend of "weak S3 for strong S2 payoff"

[faint pivot]

Just got there, same

[faint pivot]

Technically N Fau led this

[fickle crown]

Not really

[faint pivot]

Her s3 clashes for 12 while her s2 clashes for 16

Better Nail application and paralyze on s2 too

[fickle crown]

Her S3 is more of a support skill + Rosespanner Rodion actually empowers her S2 by gaining a bunch of charge on S3 and setting up stagger

[fickle crown]

Also I was gonna joke and say regular Faust started this lmao

[faint pivot]

Huh

[fickle crown]

Reminder that this is her S3 roll

Fucking

11

[tiny cave]

don't the early seven IDs have their s3 as setup for their s2s

[fickle crown]

I think?

I don't fully remember though

[tiny cave]

because their s3s inflict a bunch of fragility next turn

while their s2s are the damage

[fickle crown]

Also iirc Yi Sang just

Inflicts fragility on his S2 too I think?

[faint pivot]

Same as her s1 😭

[tiny cave]

like 7outis has a 15 s2 and a 12 s3

but her s3 inflicts weakness analyzed next turn which is needed for 7 ids

yisang inflicts 3 pierce fragility next turn on s3, his s2 is pierce and inflicts 1 fragile next turn

[fickle crown]

I do wish Seven Yi sang was better

[faint pivot]

The Seven need a revival as a whole

[fickle crown]

I did kinda want to write up a Seven ID for one of my OCs

Ehh screw it

I'll write one down now...

[stoic fjord]

I do wish the association IDs were stronger

Hmmm

Maybe I should try a poise MDE with the Shi at some point

Goddammit I'm going to end up doing a rupture MDE with like. Deyvat and Seven if I keep thinking about this

[stoic fjord]

Lmao

[faint pivot]

I wonder if there's a medical association among the 12

[stoic fjord]

Seems unlikely

Given what we know of them

[dusty sigil]

From @ landobristly

[fickle crown]

Today I'm stuck realizing I accidentally made a Seven fan ID that utilizes ammo mechanics

What is wrong with me

...so

Just realized how cursed it is that he has the 15/3 conditional

In modern rupture

[stoic fjord]

Is Don's favorite color fixer the red mist

[faint pivot]

HUH

[fickle crown]

You summoned them-

[faint pivot]

I won't lie y'all, I feel the need to consume more memes like this just to rid myself of the spoilers 😭

[fickle crown]

Rabies on a pan fried Don Quixote

[fickle crown]

Oh yeah so I ended up making a fucked up Seven fan ID

I may post the wall of text

Also just now realizing that Heathcliff's backstory really does boil down to a rich guy going "Hey look at this pet poor person I found off the street"

[glad fable]

Yep

[glad fable]

Well um. At least she benefits more from charge support…?

[worthy haven]

Envy Res letsgoooo

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

She consistently brings up the Red Mist first whenever you bring up the topic of a legendary fixer

(||Which also implies that Bari’s last visit to the lighthouse must be recent)||

[uneven canopy]

||probably within the last 10~ years?||

[cloud wadi]

Yeah

[atomic steeple]

Or his Illegitimate son

[stoic fjord]

I've read at least two yuri manga with similar baselines

Did that ping

I didn't mean for it to ping

[fickle crown]

Woe, wall of text be upon ye

00 Seven Assoc. North Section 3 (OC identity idea or something lol)

210 HP, 4-7 speed, DL 53

Stagger Thresholds: 60%/40%/20%

Slash Fatal, Pierce Ineff., Blunt Normal 

S1 - Flash Warning (Sloth)
Pierce
2 normal coins
Offense Level 56
5+3
Coin Power +1 for every 7 Rupture on target (max 2)
[On Use] If target has 15+ Rupture and 3+ Rupture Count: This skill does not consume Rupture Count On Hit, but does not influct Rupture with this skill's On Hit effects.
I Spend 1 Photo Film
[On Hit] No HP damage is dealt
[On Hit] Inflict Paralyze next turn equal to this Coin's Power/2 (Max 3)
II [On Hit] Inflict 2 Rupture
[Heads Hit] Inflict +2 Rupture Count

S2 - Restrain (Wrath)
Slash
1 normal coin 
Offense Level 57
7+7
In a clash, opponent has -2 Clash Power
[On Use] Gain Clash Power equal to Rupture/3 (Max 5)
[On Use] If target has 15+ Rupture and 3+ Rupture Count: This skill does not consume Rupture Count On Hit, but does not inflict Rupture with this skill's On Hit effects.
[Clash Win] Inflict +2 Rupture Count
I [On Hit] Inflict 5 Rupture 
[On Hit] Inflict 2 Power Down next turn

S3 - Intelligence Relay (Gluttony)
Pierce
4 normal coins 
Offense Level 57
7+3
[On Use] If target has 15+ Rupture and 3+ Rupture Count: This skill does not consume Rupture Count On Hit, but does not inflict Rupture with this skill's On Hit effects; instead, gain Gain Coin Power +1
[Clash Win] Inflict 2 Clash Power down next turn
[Clash Win] Inflict 3 Rupture
I Spend 1 Photo Film
[On Hit] Inflict 2 Offense Level Down next turn
II Spend 1 Photo Film
[On Hit] Inflict 1 Plus Coin Drop next turn
III [On Hit] Inflict 3 Paralyze next turn
[On Hit] Inflict +2 Rupture Count
IV [On Hit] Inflict 2 Power Down next turn
[On Hit] Inflict 3 Rupture

Defense (Evade) - Analysis (Envy)
N/A
4+10
1 regular coin
Defense Level 53
[On Use] Gain +1 Clash Power Up next turn (2 times per turn)

[fickle crown]

Also you didn't ping?

[fickle crown]

She benefits from unfocused AOE

That and in usual Reindeer fashion she can just nuke the fuck out of enemies

I think the biggest selling point is that she's a more readily available sidegrade

At least to me anyways

KoDya suffers from the typical "restricted to Walpurgisnacht" ID issue

[wild mango]

canto 6 spoilers
||smh my head at heathcliff for disotrting||
||i would simply manifest my ego instead||||
[iron lotus starts playing]||

spoilers for the ending of ruina and canto 6 ||crazy that carmen flashes on the screen for one frame tho||

[fickle crown]

https://youtu.be/pSAYdTjaJoo?si=PYUdrqhcNK_ewnP7

[stoic fjord]

hrmmmm

Nellyshu, Ishmaid, Butler Outis, Butler Faust, Wildhunt, Lintgor

is there anyone else from edgar/earnshaw

[sudden arch]

Butler Sinclair exists but we don't have an ID for him yet

[atomic steeple]

huntcliff x butler sinclair after the rest of wh gets slaughtered

[dawn geyser]

we shouldve had maid sinclair smh

if faust and outis can be the traditionally masculine role i fail to see why we cant get the twink in a maid outfit

[fickle crown]

looks at the Beach Episode Incident

looks at the fucking reaction people had to Sinclair wearing a choker

[stoic fjord]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9mmzSq0IacA

[fickle crown]

I don't think Project Moon needs a repeat of that drama

[stoic fjord]

The what

[dawn geyser]

i thought the bigger deal with that one was that Ish didnt have a swimsuit

[fickle crown]

Nah, they got on Boatworks Sinclair's case too

Because apparently it was emasculating for a man to be wearing a choker or something

Incels are truly a mysterious creature that I wish wasn't real

[lean fjord]

It was both

[fickle crown]

All I'm gonna say is I'm pretty sure we don't need a somehow worse repeat of what happened last time

That was fucking terrible

[atomic steeple]

They need better security

[tiny cave]

It goes even deeper than that

People complained that Sinclair is shirtless and has a choker (I.e. sexualised) while Ishmael has a full body wetsuit (I.e. still sexualised but substantially less than other gacha swimwear events)
So they went on a hunt against the artist
But it turns out the artist for the IDs is male
So they went on a hunt against the artist for the story art (which was Vellmori at the time)
And after combing through everything there is a scene in canto 4 where Yi Sang is holding a coffee cup

[faint pivot]

better fanbase* I don't think the potency needed to stop these kinds of waves are easily available in SK

[tiny cave]

The gesture he makes while holding the cup vaguely looks like the gesture for “small dick”

It’s also just like… how you’d hold a coffee cup

That gesture is associated with feminist movements in Korea so obviously vellmori drawing that meant she was a radical feminist

[crimson spindle]

Which is an existing insanity of Korean men that extends far beyond this

For the record

[lean fjord]

No the thing they dug up on Vellmori was that several years ago she made a social media post that was somewhat feminist

[tiny cave]

Yeah that came later

[crimson spindle]

To the point where this shit happened

[split beacon]

It’s so fucking inane

[faint pivot]

This convo started with Boatworks Sinclair pissing people off 😭

[tiny cave]

The twitter scouring and the death threats followed along with a poorly translated post by PM announcing that Vellmori had left the company

[lean fjord]

It's very funny, if it wasn't so sad

[faint pivot]

How do they even manage these shenanigans

[atomic steeple]

Unfortunately, incels will "defend" any gacha game from feminists without knowing it well

[tiny cave]

The English translators at the time translated it as “Vellmori was fired” which pissed off the western fanbase

[crimson spindle]

Because its a large portion of Korean young men, theyre terminally online, and korea is very population concentrated

So its easy to get a crowd of dickheads

[tiny cave]

And PM didn’t release any details about it because Vellmori asked them not to

[stoic fjord]

maybe we should just go Erlking on this joint

[tiny cave]

The only reason the correct translation came out is because they got sued by a completely unrelated third party who then posted the documents online to make PM look bad

[faint pivot]

We do what Hunt Cliff does to the manors except put PMoon in a cozy pocket dimension

[tiny cave]

And those documents basically just said “She and KJH had an agreement and she left on good terms”

[faint pivot]

Language barrier sure is a fuck

[split beacon]

So the whole “Vellmori was ritually sacrificed to the incel gods” thing was fake?!

[tiny cave]

Yep

[faint pivot]

Wait why was this answered seriously

[atomic steeple]

Oof

[split beacon]

Because a third party tried to push that narrative on English internet and it worked

And people now seriously believe KJH threw Vellmori to the crowd to save himself

[faint pivot]

H u h

[stoic fjord]

I'm genuinely going to start tweaking

[faint pivot]

What the hell 😭

[crimson spindle]

it remains unclear exactly what was agreed or why, to be fair

[atomic steeple]

There's a blog that keeps portraying pmoon badly, still

[faint pivot]

I won't lie I'm REALLY tempted to make a google doc that compiles all this stuff together

[tiny cave]

She was sacrificed to the Mika gods so she could draw Commander X Type-95 emasculation instead clearly

[crimson spindle]

but the general tenor appears to be "Project Moon could not guarantee her safety and she wasn't stupid about what all this would mean if she stuck around"

"So she quit to go quiet until the furor died down"

[faint pivot]

I don't even know what Mika is but I hope Vellmori is doing better at least

[stoic fjord]

genuinely we need to remove incels from the equation in some way I swear to god

[tiny cave]

Mika is the company that makes Girls Frontline

[crimson spindle]

the problem with korean gender relations go much deeper than just the incels

[faint pivot]

Oh ok

[stoic fjord]

AK-15 🤤

[crimson spindle]

like the whole small penis thing dates back to Megalia

which is its own long story

[stoic fjord]

removing gender in the next earth hotfix

[crimson spindle]

but basically Megalia was like... feminist trolls, basically

korean feminists doing some trolling to piss off the already extant mass of extreme online misogynists and blow off some steam

and one of their premier tactics was reversing extremely common online commentary on the appearances of women

commenting on pictures of men associated with misogynist views with the equivalent of "2/10 dick too small"

[atomic steeple]

Women are a escapegoat for issues like mandatory military service

[stoic fjord]

ok that's kind of funny

[crimson spindle]

that's where the pinching emoji came from

[tiny cave]

The mandatory military service thing does lead to issues in the dating scene

[crimson spindle]

basically posting it where men would post like, 🍆 or whatever

[tiny cave]

But yeah there’s a lot of problems

[faint pivot]

I agree but I wish it didn't have to happen

[crimson spindle]

and this fucking traumatized an entire generation or two of online men

because they were, as is usual, willing to give it but not take it

[tiny cave]

Women are expected to marry someone with a good rank and a better paying career, but they are exempted from military service
Meaning that women are typically 2-3 years ahead of men career wise (so they will typically have a higher salary)

[split beacon]

Oh that’s wild

[stoic fjord]

this sounds like a recipe for success /s

[crimson spindle]

that's the origin of the pinching gesture freakouts

[faint pivot]

I'm frankly like

[stoic fjord]

incomprehensibly fragile E.G.Os

[crimson spindle]

it's the ghost of megalia, who have been gone for damn near a decade now

[stoic fjord]

oh my fucking god I did it again

[faint pivot]

Surprised at how worse SK's environment actually is

[stoic fjord]

said E.G.O instead of ego

[tiny cave]

In addition to other factors like women being expected to quit work or go part time and homemake after marriage

[faint pivot]

Fits considering the acronym is noted to be ridiculous

[stoic fjord]

I'm genuinely going to be committed to an asylum if this keeps up

[tiny cave]

The entire culture around plastic surgery

[crimson spindle]

(they unfortunately sort of collapsed over insectionality problems - a lot of them were extreme homo/transphobes and the forum fractured when the leadership banned those behaviors)

[tiny cave]

Etc.

[stoic fjord]

damn

[faint pivot]

Good on the leadership for choosing that at least

[stoic fjord]

I feel like I've seen that a lot, weirdly

feminist movements being homophobic and/or transphobic

what's up with that

[tiny cave]

SK is The City but with less physical murder and more spiritual murder

[crimson spindle]

but yeah the pinching thing is because they're still terrified of this

a website that hasn't existed for 10 god dam years

though obviously various splinter groups continue the mockery

[atomic steeple]

Usa goes on about north korea
But south korea has immense issues

I can't believe there are people who believe north koreans are forced to pretend to be happy

[crimson spindle]

so yeah as a result there is a significant portion of young men who think any pinching gesture in anything is cryptofeminist propaganda, which the megalia remnants reportedly find "hilarious"

[lean fjord]

It is kinda funny tbh

[true bluff]

me on my way to make all my OC's do the pinch gesture secretly out of spite.

[atomic steeple]

If I had the money, I'd put ads filled with the gesture all over South Korean major cities

Been thinking of a disco elysium fangame
Would be funny to use the pinching gesture a lot

[cosmic gorge]

Everyone should make a DE fangame but based on their own region's political hangups

[gentle mulch]

vellmori please come back please please im begging you

[cosmic gorge]

She made neat deltarune art

[gentle mulch]

start sobbing

[stoic fjord]

the government cannot be that omnipresent

being happy is kind of like. almost a natural human thing

just being with the people we love and care about can bring joy

project moon taught me this /hj

[dawn geyser]

chat idk about the rest of you but, the canto ending arts past 3 just dont hit the same

[gentle mulch]

THEY DONT

THEY REALLY DONT

[dawn geyser]

the style is cool but man was vellmori's art unique

[gentle mulch]

VELLMORI HAD SUCH A

SPECIFIC STYLE FOR HER COMPOSITIONS AND THE SINNERS

[dawn geyser]

i had the sinclair one as my pc background for ages just because its that good

[stoic fjord]

I liked the vellmori art a lot

[gentle mulch]

it really felt like

[dawn geyser]

yeah!!

[gentle mulch]

it bridged off of LOR's artstyle into its own thing

[dawn geyser]

and the sinner portraits...

why did those get changed

[gentle mulch]

and the SINNER portraits

[stoic fjord]

putting a mandate for everything to be 50% feminist propaganda by screentime to get vellmori back /j /silly

[gentle mulch]

THEY WERE SO GOOD

[dawn geyser]

those were fucking amazing

[atomic steeple]

I wanna make it about art
Give it a real art nouveau vibe
Show gatherings of artists and scholars
Modern, but with shadows of the past
In contrast to how martinaise is so covered in the past
Mc could be an artist or reporter being an amateur detective
Hand eye coordination used for a câmera. Maybe puzzle with it and interfacing
Espirit de corps would be your connection to scholars or the news

[dawn geyser]

i loved old don portrait and the new one is just so. blegh

[stoic fjord]

I like the new stuff, but I liked the old Vellmori art more

[crimson spindle]

the entire problem is basically that if vellmori came back and resumed her distinctive art these fucking losers would be back on it like the plague

[atomic steeple]

Really funny to see someone call metal gear's collective counsciousness a song about north korea
When the game unsubtly makes it about the USA

[stoic fjord]

isn't it literally Senator Armstrong's theme

[gentle mulch]

his name is senator armstrong

he graduated from the university of texas

not some cushy ivy league school

he employs a number of people

one of which, sundowner, is like

a walking political bomb of quotes

[crimson spindle]

and ultimately pmoon is uniquely vulnerable to their stupid dipshit behavior

[stoic fjord]

"Kids are cruel, Jack. And I love mino-"

wait no that's the Max0r one

uhhhhh

[crimson spindle]

because unlike say, Nexon, who was targeted in the past, pmoon is a small company with public facing elements at their HQ

[stoic fjord]

it was....

"I'm very in touch with my inner child" right

[gentle mulch]

and is trying to orchestrate a false flag attack in order to start wars forever iirc

[gentle mulch]

yes

i dont think any dub can be more wild than the original for mgrr

[lean fjord]

Kind of
Since Collective Consciousness is the theme of when he's still putting up a front

[crimson spindle]

and can't justifiably risk the safety of the say, HamHam PangPang staff just to push an ideological point

[gentle mulch]

not a single character who can top "back to the good ol' days of 9/11" in terms of like. oh. okay. this game is not subtle at all

[cosmic gorge]

Past 4*

[stoic fjord]

Max0r approaches similar levels but in terms of like. brainrot I guess

[cosmic gorge]

Her rodya was great

[stoic fjord]

CAN I GET A SINGLE FUCKING SECRET BOSS IN MDE

PLEASE

[gentle mulch]

yeah more for brainrot

[stoic fjord]

PLEASE LET ME FIGHT A SINGLE BOSS

[dawn geyser]

wait am i tripping

is 3 not sinclairs canto

[stoic fjord]

it is

[atomic steeple]

He claims it's a front
But his "true beliefs" are a nothing burger perfectly in line with this song

[dawn geyser]

i remember ishmael didnt have vellmori art

[crimson spindle]

like seriously the list of shit that has been targeted by this is stupid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_pinching_conspiracy_theory#List_of_notable_responses

[cosmic gorge]

Ish is 5

[gentle mulch]

like

[cosmic gorge]

Ideal man is 4

[crimson spindle]

fucking banks have caved

[dawn geyser]

i am dumb and stupid

[gentle mulch]

the new portraits are techniquely/technically better but

[crimson spindle]

the Ministry of Defense has caved

[dawn geyser]

i forgot yi sang exists

[gentle mulch]

oh my god the expressions are INSTANTLY readable with vellmori's as opposed to the newer ones

a little better view of character at a glance imo

[dawn geyser]

legit thinking about it makes me want to cry

[stoic fjord]

100%

[gentle mulch]

like

[stoic fjord]

better in terms of technical aspects does not mean overall better

because god

the old ones had so much fuckin. so much charm to them

[dawn geyser]

imagine canto 7 with vellmori's art man

[gentle mulch]

rodions slight upturned lip trying to project confidence against deadpan eyes vs each sinner just having the same expression for th emost part

[gentle mulch]

dont

dont no

nooo i cant take it

[stoic fjord]

maybe it's just me but in the old art Hong Lu's eyes look even more dead than they do in the modern art

and that's good

[gentle mulch]

i guess if korea wasnt so bleak PJM's The City probably wouldnt exist

[dawn geyser]

specifically the scene where (canto 7) ||Don realises she's Sancho and it has them both side by side|| makes me want to cry imagining how good it wouldve been

[stoic fjord]

literally fucking all of it bro

[gentle mulch]

i think like

[stoic fjord]

genuinely don't even bother with mentioning specific scenes literally fucking cutscene

[cosmic gorge]

I still think about the scene composition of rodya's murder of the tax collector

Amazing scene composition

[gentle mulch]

vellmori put a lot of emphasis in making everyone's eyes instantly readable for this but hong lu's is dimmed, even with the jade

like the brown eyes still pop

[stoic fjord]

Canto 6 ||dude fucking imagine the scene of all the heathcliffs and catherines ending with the Erlking and Every Catherine but by Vellmori||

[gentle mulch]

even if a bit orange

[stoic fjord]

we need to start a fucking crusade

[gentle mulch]

my stomach feels sick

[dawn geyser]

god fuckin damn it the rage i feel at incels has doubled

[stoic fjord]

join my crusade

oops

mb

[faint pivot]

What

[stoic fjord]

misclicked copy paste

[stoic fjord]

join my crusade

[gentle mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUjiGmLVC2E

canto 7 if vellmori did the art

by the way: watch this video again

it's peak

[atomic steeple]

On cheerier note
What skills would dante have in disco elysium

[dawn geyser]

this is true!

[stoic fjord]

WAIT IS THIS CHANNEL VELLMORI

[gentle mulch]

no

[stoic fjord]

or is it just someone with a similar art style

or

is it similar?

[gentle mulch]

that video is my shorthand for

[stoic fjord]

is that what you meant?

[gentle mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

this pretty much

[stoic fjord]

yeah...

[cosmic gorge]

I need spoons to get DE on the sea

Please 2026 give me spoons

[stoic fjord]

I don't hate the new art, as already said

but goddddd I miss Vellmori

[gentle mulch]

visual calculus

[atomic steeple]

High empathy but low composure and drama

Low authority at the start

Investing a lot into encyclopedia

[gentle mulch]

Dante w the necktie

[atomic steeple]

Medium half light

[unique bane]

i think the start of this comic speaks to a misunderstanding about hong lord (though it's not the only example and the rest of it is pretty funny)
i think the massacre is what he thinks hongyuan needs
cause in maost's uptie he talks about how "families are not like families should be, and the family hierarch is not as hierarchs should be," referring to the confucian idea of the rectification of names, basically, "things are not what they should be, i will make them that way" in this case by force
and then maost talks to the faust network about how hong lord uses this as pretense for ruthless violence

[ebon forge]

i-im confused

[stoic fjord]

I'm saying it'd be peak if that bit was in Vellmori's style

[ebon forge]

ah.

[stoic fjord]

I just defeated a secret boss on floor 15

I'm genuinely GOATed

Pequodmael pulled through

ngl this poise team. this poise team is peak

I love NSang

[split beacon]

NSang and NShu are so peak

[atomic steeple]

Aweshu is fun yeah
Her s3 turns people into lil pieces

[stoic fjord]

huh

for once, Hong Lu isn't top damage dealer on a poise team

[faint pivot]

Holy shit what did you feed these three

[worthy haven]

damm really

Heathcliff is always way higher for me then hongler

also could you psot the team?

is this full non BL poise?

[stoic fjord]

I genuinely don't even know

I just got what I always get

[stoic fjord]

yup

[worthy haven]

funky

[stoic fjord]

it's only really for MD

since

that's pretty much my main mode

[faint pivot]

Missing an E there Madam :p

[stoic fjord]

it works for MD too

like

I think most of my MD teams work for MDE if you just

play MDE right

[faint pivot]

Oh I moreso meant I've noticed you doing MDE more than regular MD

[stoic fjord]

oh yeah fair

[faint pivot]

Pride yourself on that please

[stoic fjord]

tbh it's probably more MD than MDE

I just

don't really comment on MD

because that's just me spamming fell bullet E.G.O until I can cash out for more shards

[faint pivot]

Ah, sampling bias

I see I see

[stoic fjord]

I only post about MDE because it's what I enjoy

godddd I need a burn dual status to exist

[faint pivot]

Or I guess I didn't for this but pretend I'm a Beholder

[faint pivot]

Bad End Ryo enables a triple Burn team trust

[atomic steeple]

Burn charge

burn bleed

[faint pivot]

We are ONE AWAY

PLEASE PMOON

[ebon forge]

Burn… bleed… poise…

[faint pivot]

BURN RUPTURE IS ONE AWAY

BURN POISE IS ONE AWAY

QUADRUPLE STATUS BAD END RYOSHU PLEAAAASEE

Alr Carmen distort me again I need to get this stuff outta my head

[stoic fjord]

X: P Y: Bl Z: B

XYZ - Bad End Ryo
XYZ - Pequodmael
XY - NSang/Pequodsang
XY: Twinhook Gregor/Shi Faust
XZ: Cinq East Don Quixote
YZ: Gripclair
Z: Any burn

it's genuinely just a triple status away

[atomic steeple]

Bad end ryoshu who gains stuff from teh presence of ring members on her team

An extra envy skill from middle

[stoic fjord]

hrm

I think

that like

a uhhhhh

a uhhhhhhhh

[atomic steeple]

tremor from thumb

[stoic fjord]

thumb ID that's burn/tremor/poise would be fun

(PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KJH I NEED THIS PLEASE LET ME MAKE THIS TEAM PLEAAAAAAASE)

[atomic steeple]

each ring school gives her one thing

[faint pivot]

...Middle South Survivor ID

Idek who this person would even be but

I feel like if the Ruina Bowbell was also this one

Then there's a decent chance there could be a remnant or two

[stoic fjord]

twinhook gregor and shi faust... and this team should be ready to go (also levels and uptie)

wait no

I also need lust res

fucking hell I hate this game

I can't wait to genuinely tweak out building bloodfiends next season for MD

[faint pivot]

Using Outis as a tank and ammo

[stoic fjord]

..tank?

No, I just fucking shot her as soon as was convenient

She evaded like two skills over the course of 15 floors

[faint pivot]

Oh no I'm talking about in the Bloodfiend team I'm building next year

Manchegan Outis seems like the perfect first shot

Start with the OG Manchegans, the N Duo, and I unno N Fau for another sac

Backups are KK Duo, then Manchassault cause doubling Bloodfeast seems worth belaying him, then idk #11 and #12

[stoic fjord]

Ohhhhhhh

Gotcha

[keen palm]

Oh also weird thing

Dailushu somehow outdamaged the fullstop duo on my poise team

I'm not entirely sure how

[gentle mulch]

oh

wow

[cosmic gorge]

"nice combo B.B. Now watch H.A.E.D.I."

[keen palm]

It may be because I had to rely on their egos to clash a bit more

Since I was doing floor 10

[faint pivot]

What

[cosmic gorge]

Also

How many years until we get a Nier Automata collab

[gentle mulch]

prolly the next collab

soo

ill bet like 6 months

[cosmic gorge]

2B Faust and 2P Outis

[atomic steeple]

Final fantasy collab
oooh
Could give Job ids and egos

White mage rodya "The healer is core to the team!"

[faint pivot]

The real question is are they doing true limited again when they got away with it the one time

[atomic steeple]

Summoner yi sang

[cosmic gorge]

The Warrior of Light sees the Nier final boss in the limbus world again:

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson"

[atomic steeple]

Ideal world: They make a deal to keep the ids and egos

[cosmic gorge]

Id have to check if the nikkie nier automata collab did true limited stuff

But also that means id have to dig deeper into the nier nikke collab more that id want to

[faint pivot]

Fair

[bronze zephyr]

2B Faust… 9S Sinclair… A2 Outis…

Or no, A2 Ishmael

[atomic steeple]

Dark knight heath
"The brightest flame shines in the dark. The true power of a dark knight comes from protecting"

Paladin don or gregor

[cosmic gorge]

Huh
Would the incels screech if sinclair is in 9S's silly little twink shorts

[atomic steeple]

Speaking of crossovers
Just saw one quest that had the possibility of playing a nwod mage angela

We could have had a mastigos angela quest (mastigos mages can summon thought beings, just like abnormalities)

[unique bane]

i could also see angela as a promethean

[atomic steeple]

True

Or Changeling

[tiny cave]

The virgin “I need a pretense for incredible violence” (Roland, Hong Lord, Gebura) vs the Chad “Incredible violence is its own reward” (Tanya)

[tiny cave]

Love Live: Limbus

[split beacon]

More “violence is as natural as any other action” really

[gentle mulch]

if only it was so easy to dispel MY UNENDING BLOODLUST by rubbing my tummy

[split beacon]

She’s simply a believer that you do violence the same way you do conversations or transactions or any other interaction with others

Because it’s obvious and right

[dusty sigil]

Chat, Hana Ish question

What do when you don’t have the right color for the skills she has access to?

[bronze zephyr]

Counter, or EGO if you have the color i think?

[dusty sigil]

Oh thanks

[tiny cave]

both are good options though you should usually have the resources for snagharpoon if you don't have the resources for tidal elegy or capote

[dusty sigil]

Also chat, is there enough time for another ID to come out before the season ends?

[tiny cave]

season end is dec 31 so prob not

[dusty sigil]

Ah ok

[bronze zephyr]

Yeah reindeer rodya is the last one

[split beacon]

Reindya looks…

Hmm.

[bronze zephyr]

im very excited for the s7 teaser

[tiny cave]

festive

[worthy haven]

very meh

[split beacon]

I’m glad there’s a fully Charge oriented Rodion 000

That’s the nice thing I can say about her

[tiny cave]

smh you people aren't content with rosespanner

[bronze zephyr]

yeah im not the biggest fan of her filling a Very similar niche as Another rodya that dropped earlier the season but it is what it is

LMAO

[worthy haven]

I sadly did realize that she isnt even that good for envy res xd

I assume they are full on canto 9 completion mode so they just did something quick and relatively easy mayhaps

[tiny cave]

she does have envy guard and is probably going to be a better charge id than

season 1 stuff

[worthy haven]

even with the envy guard tho there are just better options for envy res

[tiny cave]

kodion does not have envy guard only envy s2 so getting envy ares is harder with her

what's your envy res team looking like
madkona
midclair
multicracked faust

middle mersault so you can use telepole

[split beacon]

I choose to believe reindeer rodion is a Whatever ID between now and peak.

This is my cope

[tiny cave]

w ryo? no envy def
reapshu? no envy def

w heathcliff can mess up your envy ares but you're probably on-offing with him anyway so he's fine

as in turn 1 ares, turn 2 use the non purple skills, turn 3 ares, repeat

[worthy haven]

the main issue with her I have in envy res is frankly that she is to sinking reliant to make it really worth running in envy res. She does have the def skill but its just not good at all

[tiny cave]

yeah that's fair

i'm just thinking like

what other good IDs even are there for envy res after those 5

R hong maybe?

[dusty sigil]

Hmm, how much resonance does envy res need for their important conditionals?

Like 6 for Middle Sinclair counter?

[tiny cave]

6

6 ares too iirc

[dusty sigil]

Ah yah

[split beacon]

anyways

you will all see when Rudolph Sinclair drops

[tiny cave]

you can get away with just 4 his skill 2 isn't bad by any means

but his skill 3 is a lot better

[split beacon]

the mind whippers will have their day

[tiny cave]

and because its an A-Res requirement you kinda need everyone to have purple on demand

that means purple def or cheap purple ego

[dusty sigil]

Oh I didn’t realize it needed A Resonance too

That does make things harder

I mean Rodya does have hex nail

[split beacon]

Rudolphclair is actually kinda real huh

[dusty sigil]

It’s kinda expensive but it’s all sin affinities that the team has ready access to

[split beacon]

like

what else would a R Corp Sinclair ID be, Rabbitclair?

[worthy haven]

personally ye I do think r hongler is better for envy res

maybe she is like 7th slot?

[dusty sigil]

I’d say rabbit yah

[tiny cave]

so yeah you could do R Rodion and R Hong as your last 2 units there
W outis has pride def and no cheap purple ego

[worthy haven]

but even then getting s2 with sinclair counter is also super fine

[dusty sigil]

Intense, overwhelming violence and murdering your friends is part of Sinclair’s whole deal

I could very easily imagine it being similar to the one who shall grip

[split beacon]

okay fair

[dusty sigil]

Where he just completely lets his judgement of the world overtake him

[split beacon]

Myoclair...

[tiny cave]

having one off-colour unit limits the chance that you don't get s2 (they need to roll right in the middle of speed for it to brick) but it means you'll almost never get s3

[worthy haven]

ye true

[tiny cave]

rodion can use hexnail but kodion can't really

[dusty sigil]

Unfortunately Outis is not a very envious person

[tiny cave]

if you stick her in neg san mode she'll corrode

[dusty sigil]

Yah no access to EGO is the real problem with Kodya

It’s a problem for all negative sanity IDs but she gets to negative sanity like immediately

I guess you could keep in her positive mode but

Ehhhh

[tiny cave]

so yeah i guess r rodion slot 7 is not bad

[split beacon]

at least there's a period of time for magical don where you can go Lol Lmao

[dusty sigil]

Positive mode is just alright instead of insanely strong

[tiny cave]

mostly because every other sinner does not have a viable id for that team

[dusty sigil]

Yah, and corroding her is one of the fastest ways to get to her negative mode

Kodya has on demand access with her counter anyway

[tiny cave]

unless you wanna use ahabmael

[worthy haven]

madonka, w heath, multicrack fau, middleclair, middle sault, r hongler and then last slot is open

I actually do think I would personally still rather run kodya in that slot

[tiny cave]

yeah your choices are
r rodion
kodion
ahabmael (envy s1)
uhh

[worthy haven]

w outis is not worth it anymore but you can run her

[split beacon]

doesn't ahabmael also have a little bit of Envy Res functionality

[dusty sigil]

What does Ahabmael have besides an envy skill 1?

[tiny cave]

she has resonance conditionals

[dusty sigil]

Also I’m only now realizing Ishmael has no envy EGO

At all

They’re like all gloom and wrath

With a bit of sloth and gluttony

[tiny cave]

no yisang id fits
no ryo id fits (i guess REAP has envy s1)
no skincare id fits
and w outis is stinky

outis has an envy ego but dim shred is expensive

[split beacon]

what do you mean w outis is stinky

she has Load :)

[tiny cave]

envy s2 only, pride guard, expensive purple ego

[worthy haven]

altough I have even heard that my friend doesnt even run r hongler anymore and just does 5 envy on demand units and makes it more risky to get that res but slot in just a better unit overall

[dusty sigil]

Hmm, you think Multicrack or Pequod Heath btw?

[tiny cave]

you run w heath for that team

but if you don't have him, multicrack

[dusty sigil]

Oh right he’s out now

[tiny cave]

pequod sux

[dusty sigil]

😔

Sever Knot though…

[tiny cave]

oh boy my +10 bleed count s2

which is never happening because that id can't crit

also why is his guard wrath

[split beacon]

Fell Bullet!

[dusty sigil]

He’s angry

[tiny cave]

the pequod team is like pride based why did kjh decide this guy needs envy a-res conditionals, while having a wrath guard and being a bleed (lust) id

[split beacon]

they're bloise for some reason

it's weird

[worthy haven]

I really hope we get cool poise next season

I just think its such a good vehicle for funky effects

[split beacon]

poise-oxidizer bLEASE