Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[tight zephyr]

It looks like those radar guns cops use to tell if you're speeding like it's any of their business.

[warped cradle]

Asking you "Do you know how fast you were going?" Like it's THEIR car 🙄

[tight zephyr]

Exactly!

Don't they know that I'm the King of da Road?

[glacial light]

What are you a cop?

[steady flame]

aaaaaaaaaaa

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/TrwyyZTzhE

Arrowhead can you not break shit for 5 minutes?

[dark plover]

Next bot MO I'm going to try running the Lumberer as just an AT emplacement with legs.

Missile pistol I think will also be amazing on bots as I believe it has ridiculous range if you disable the lock on.

[tight zephyr]

Flamethrowers do work on bots pretty well too.

Turns out that computers don't work so good when you set them on fire.

[dark plover]

Ah, looking forward to shelling all the armor in a base from a distance then torching down the chaff

I feel like they should remove the restriction on running multiple mech strategems.

[strange vine]

question, left is the vanilla breakthrough flak shell icon, upper right is the current one i have for my mod, bottom right is another im working on for the mod when i realized the vanilla icon is supposed to be be a shell with cannister shot. Which do yall think fits more?

[oblique lotus]

do spore bile titans not die to EAT headshots anymore?

i swear I'm hitting the right spot

oh head is 2500

[glacial light]

Pocket commando

[glacial light]

They buffed the head HP

[oblique lotus]

only for the spore burst ones tho

normal BTs are still oshs

Also the leveller does not consistently oneshot even on a direct hit

[split parcel]

Bile titan normally has 1500 head HP so thats a pretty gnarly HP increase

Looks like its still maybe a 2 shot headshot with Epoch? Regular BT just barely requires two fully charged shots but I think SBT barely doesn't take 3 shots

[warped cradle]

I like the one in the top

[split parcel]

new bugs are indeed quite fast

[tight zephyr]

Little bastards drifting around corners while eurobeat plays.

[dark plover]

Initial T

[steady flame]

I find the missile pistol extremely funny, at least on bugs.

I wonder what it does to er, chargers head-on. Not gotten to test it yet.

[glacial light]

Im trying to learn light pen weakspots to use the bulletstorm I am learning im awful at aiming which doesnt help with the bullet laser

[unreal merlin]

BLUE TEAM, DEPLOY

[glacial light]

You know that's a good idea, bulletstorm and eats. Littering everywhere

https://www.rxddit.com/r/LowSodiumHellDivers/s/XnHXLLhwla

[cobalt patrol]

The breakthrough seems really sweet.

[rotund marten]

I need to give the new mechs a go, I've been distracted with my new favourite armour

zoom zoom

[south temple]

yeah it slaps

[cobalt patrol]

Having tried them out, even with the annoying Lumberer flamethrwoer bug... to quote @south temple they slap

Breakthrough's downside is it has no way to close bug holes. It's upside is bascially everything else - you can melee fight a spore titan and win.

And you have a shotgun that also just chews through BTs and Chargers and imaplers

also sometimes wshen you shield bash a commander, he goes flying into the distance

that's pretty great

[stone bridge]

the lumberer is still good even with the bug

[cobalt patrol]

Lumberer can outright snipe shit with it's AT cannon, and it... it's a mech with a flamethrower.

Thiks is extremely strong even with the bug

[stone bridge]

it literally has a cremator mounted on it

except it has like

65 ergo

you can sweep that shit

[south temple]

what flamethrower bug?

[stone bridge]

[cobalt patrol]

TLDR: THe flames dont do damage up close like they should

[glacial light]

Also you can stand in the middle of your firelake safely while enemies die just getting to you

[cobalt patrol]

Fun thing: Have a breacher and al umberer work togther

it is brutally effective

Rando and i just did it, me in the lumberer, him in the breacher.

bugbreach went down like it aint no thing, rolled through the map

eventually both mechs ran out of ammo, and we just bialed and left them to explode on shit

[tight zephyr]

Guys I think these materials shortages we keep getting Major Orders about might have something to do with the majority of Helldiver equipment being one-time-use and abandoned on some hellworld.

[cobalt patrol]

Naaaaaaaaaaaah

also man, new spore bugs vs a co-oprdianted team of pubs who all knwo what they're doing?

They get rolled

we had a gas specalist, me as I AM HEAVY FLAMER GUY, a runner, and anotehr flamethrqwoer/breacher guy

and it was just so smooth

Like yes, casulties, but mostly just bugs getting absolteouy bodied by chokepoints and then roasting

[split parcel]

New Sterilizer buffs are quite nice too

Need to fiddle around with it more. Lingering clouds + longer range

I do wish they lingered just a liiiiiittle longer

[tight zephyr]

Your greed will be reported to the Ministry of Truth.

[oblique lotus]

recoilless is unfortunately a very good answer to spore BTs

[split parcel]

Yeah and it looks like Epoch doesn't consistently 2 tap the head

Consistent 3 tap though

Lumberer AT round is a one-tap I think

[marble parcel]

Just to make sure Im not getting this wrong but the only difference between the flame weapons (sidearm, primary, support, cremator) is the range? The fire dot is the same for sure but are the constant stream damages different too?

[tall stone]

Yep.

The real value, as ever, is making the Fuck Off zones

[unreal merlin]

I thought the Bulletstorm would be a joke thing i never use. It's unironically crazy good.

Yeah haha hold the trigger- NO. Short controlled bursts to manage ammo, it only takes a few bullets per bug and the thing is more laser accurate than the actual laser weapon.

[odd arch]

laser beam? nah, lead beam

[strange vine]

no, the crisper, primary, and reg flamer have a projectile damage of 2, while the cremator has a projectil damage of 3. In addition, the heavier flamers have a better status strength for the direct stream panic and slowed values

[oblique lotus]

also not needing to reload

[tight zephyr]

Not needing to reload is huge.

[marble parcel]

youre great! thanks

[steep hound]

so long heavy Hive Guards

[quick plinth]

I will say that my initial impression was wrong, they actually nerfed them

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i'm... a b it ??? at this change back

[quick plinth]

sure heavy armor plates whatever, literally aim slightly lower with light pen and they keel over instantly

[cobalt patrol]

Like they actually made hive guards weaker

So.. are we reverting cos they're too weak?

[quick plinth]

or because of the community innitial reaction?

[steep hound]

I think people just didn't like the change en masse enough

[cobalt patrol]

it was such an absolotue nothing burger of a change though

[steep hound]

especially since even if it is an overall nerf you got videos of things like Gatling Sentries hard-targeting Hive Guards and wasting all their ammo as a result

[cobalt patrol]

people just decidedt o scream like little babies instead of actually trying it out

Yeah, heaven forbid you actually have to play the game.

[steep hound]

I mean

a chaff-clear sentry should chaff clear it's not exactly a good feeling to have it get stuck on an unkillable enemy

I mean they already changed the sentry targeting once because they'd go after things like Chargers which they just have no chance against

[cobalt patrol]

I really don't think it was an issue, and i bring the mg sentry all teh damn time

[steep hound]

i don't think it mattered much in the end but equally since i don't think it mattered much i don't care that it's getting reverted anyway

[quartz cloak]

Yeah, this is gonna ruin this game in the long run

You don't negotiate with Gamers

[cobalt patrol]

No, it matters because people decided to throw a huge tanty and Arrowhead folded, rather than communicating what htey were trying for.

[quartz cloak]

See prior statement

This is Precedent now

That you can affect design decisions if you're loud enough regardless of consequence

[oblique lotus]

Hive guard were really easy to kill at 375hp

[oblique lotus]

this was precedent before too

[quartz cloak]

I guess

[cobalt patrol]

Yeha, like if theyj ust said "hey, we decied actually these were too weak at this, and had a better gameplay experience" i'd bem ollified

but this just looks like folding

[oblique lotus]

Arrowhead caves to the community constantly, its why chargers and BTs are AV4 instead of AV5

[quartz cloak]

And yet the community still believes they never listen and keep nerfing everything

[oblique lotus]

yup

[quartz cloak]

You don't
Negotiate
With Gamers

I've officially blocked the helldivers subreddit to keep my blood pressure down
But I remember, every fucking comment decrying constant nerfs I ask 'what exactly was nerfed'

They either say Coyote fire, or stay silent

[oblique lotus]

the vibes

was coyote fire even nerfed?

also wasnt that like four patches ago?

[quartz cloak]

Yes
And yes

[cobalt patrol]

I rember the screaming about the Grenade Pistol being "nerfed"

you know, loosing 2 carried capacity and gaining double the ammo from pickups

[strange vine]

fucking lame

piss ass baby community whines until all level of difficulty is removed

[quartz cloak]

Unironically revert the game to release day where only the Railgun did something

[oblique lotus]

The one that gets me is the complaints over warbond value as if HD1 didn't have DLC for roughly the same price for substantially less stuff

[quartz cloak]

Because that's where we're headed anyway at this rate

[oblique lotus]

I actually like the AT rework

[steep hound]

okay but the problem here is how much there is now

[oblique lotus]

overall a difficulty reduction but the feel is better

[strange vine]

its a fucking live service game
i would like free stratagems but how exactly are you funding continued development of HD2

[steep hound]

I think the amount of Warbonds and the cost of it all either in grind time or monetarily is intidimidating to new players

[steep hound]

well yeah I'm not saying to not release stuff

but they could discount some of the older warbonds

[oblique lotus]

like there was always a lot of DLC and theres some busted shit in there like the REC-6

[quartz cloak]

Meanwhile the community collectively imagines mech customisation that was supposedly promised

[steep hound]

it'd be a lot more new-player friendly to have Warbonds that are like 500 or 700 SC

[cobalt patrol]

I can sorta see that, there is a glarign omisison in a vehicle upgrade bay.

[steep hound]

then you make it more "you pay money or grind more to get the Shiny New Stuff" rather than "you pay money or grind more to get Any Stuff"

especially with just how much more stuff has become either Warbond or Superstore content

[south temple]

how much damage does the lumberer flamethrower do? i haven’t got the chance to unlock it yet

[oblique lotus]

demdet should be a mandatory purchase instead of the 750 SC from helldivers mobilize cmv

[oblique lotus]

identical to the cremator iirc

[south temple]

you don’t say

[steep hound]

like to begin with Premium Warbonds covered new Armor types, new Primaries/Secondaries and new Stratagems and the Superstore was largely aesthetically different armours but that had an equivalant stat/passive combo in a Warbond

now over time this has expanded to

[oblique lotus]

the superstore weapons are pretty bad value which I dislike

its $5 SC-equivalent for one gun

[steep hound]

Primaries and Secondaries in the Superstore
Unique stat-passive combos in Superstore
Vehicles in Warbonds

[oblique lotus]

vehicles are stratagems

I don't see the point of making that differentiation

[steep hound]

I'm not saying that HD 2 has the worst monetization system by any means because it is a jungle out there but the like

sheer quantity of paid/grinding content has been stacking up much much much faster than free stuff and that makes it a lot harder for a new player to feel like they have any hope whatsoever of getting to enjoy the full breadth of what's on offer

[steep hound]

they're a very specific kind of stratagem and for the first two and a half years of this game's life they were never, ever paywalled

I think that's worth noting

[oblique lotus]

I think the bigger issue with NPE is that the warbonds are pretty opaque wrt what is actually worth getting

demdet is borderline mandatory and truth enforcers, masters of ceremony, polar patriots, etc are pretty easily skippable but they cost the same and are marketed the same

same with steeled veterans

[quick plinth]

what's the new one called? the ww1? it can also be skipped without hurting for much

[steep hound]

Entrenched Division is the WW1 one, Exo Experts is now the new new one

[split parcel]

Cremator and the armor are pretty powerful

[steep hound]

I'd argue ED is one of the better warbonds though just off the Cremator and the armors alone

[quick plinth]

eh- but not mandatory

[steep hound]

Gas Mortar is nifty

[oblique lotus]

they're good but not essential

[hallow gorge]

Just want to leave my thoughts on the heavy armor hive guards. I think it's awful that Arrowhead caved to gamers but I also think the change was a little ridiculous. The enemy was simultaneously too common and too uncommon and the fact they could walk through turrets was stupid. Overall I think it's bad that they caved and reverted the change so I hope they add the change back perhaps just making the head have a shitload more health

[split parcel]

Explosive resist and +2 throwables is quite nice. But yeah not mandatory. I gotta play with gas mortar more. Gas it up

[oblique lotus]

I'd take siege breakers over ED given the choice

borderline justice also skippable imo

[quick plinth]

urban whatever- with the chair though?

siegeready armors?

like-

[oblique lotus]

I don't have urban and its fine

[quick plinth]

sure but they're very powerful

[oblique lotus]

I don't like the chair and I have alternative options for the same role though I also have a good spread of warbonds

[quick plinth]

you can't place it on the same level as a lot of other warbonds

[oblique lotus]

fair

I think the only musthave I can really think of is dem det

theres a number of other very good options but none of them are essential in the same way that dem det is

[quick plinth]

if nothing else for the build variety allowed by the grenade pistol

and thermites

[oblique lotus]

though also vanilla is not nearly as bad as it used to be given the buffs to baseline options

EATs are very good now, recoilless is busted, the mechs were and still are quite good, theres a number of baseline firearms I'd describe as top tier, etc

the peacemaker is lowkey better than you'd think

it still suffers from being a light pen semiauto secondary which is hard to justify vs the redeemer or senator or talon or w/e but it's not bad on its own merits

[steep hound]

Thermites are just nice because it gives you more AT options that aren't a Support

[steep hound]

Hover Pack tho

[cobalt patrol]

I stand by teh fact that the best armor in the game is the one you start with

Extra padding, Medium.

[oblique lotus]

I don't like the hoverpack

[cobalt patrol]

Liek as a d10 sicko

That is in fact The best armor

[oblique lotus]

I would rather have most other backpack options

[steep hound]

Well, it's okay for you to be wrong on the ground while I'm correct up here

[cobalt patrol]

Everything else is for more specialzied use cases

[oblique lotus]

though I'm also a hellpack enthusiast

[steep hound]

Hover Pack has two main functions for me

1. Sniper builds so I can get a nice perch

2. Boba Fett RP flame build

I feel like the riot cop warbond is probably one of the least valuable ones?

decent armor but the Pacifier, Stun Grenade Launcher and Tesla Dog aren't doing anything all that novel you won't find anywhere else

[oblique lotus]

polar patriots is actually the worst imo

its all mid guns

[steep hound]

leave my beloved Tenderizer out of this

wait also, Purifier is good

[oblique lotus]

is purifier polar?

[steep hound]

Also Verdict is a solid pistol option

it is yeah

[oblique lotus]

ok fine its one good gun and a bunch of mediocre ones

[steep hound]

I think it's probably one of the lesser Warbonds still though

there's not really much equipment in the game I outright think is Worthless so it's not like I think any Warbond has no value to it

[oblique lotus]

I love the arc dog but must concede that cop warbond is mid because stun isnt as good as dead

[odd arch]

it would be good if conveniently lethal weapon weren't so dominant

like if you were stunning enemies for other players to beam their weakpoints

[steep hound]

I like the Stun Grenade Launcher but like ultimately yeah it's not ur best bet

[odd arch]

but they don't need to aim for weakpoints because big gun exists

[strange vine]

HD1 has every single new weapon and content and stratagem locked to DLC, and much of it was as vital as HSO for HD2

[odd arch]

also non-bot enemies don't see a significant enough reduction in TTK from weakpoints imo

[oblique lotus]

I'd actually argue that certain DLC equipment was vital bordering on mandatory

looking at you AT boots

[steep hound]

I mean I wouldn't argue that sounds like a particularly good thing either but also HD 1 to my understanding doesn't have as much stuff as HD 2 now does, so

I'm realising I do know what I would pick for worst Warbond though

and it's the Killzone one

[odd arch]

I've been told they made the plasma sniper workable now but I struggle to believe it

[steep hound]

Plasma Sniper is cool and the Acclimated passive is pretty good but there are similar armors in Dust Devils and otherwise you're paying double the cost of most other Warbonds for an SMG (we got other SMGs) and an Assault Rifle (we got other Assault Rifles)

[steep hound]

oh Plas Sniper is good

I enjoy the Plas Sniper

[split parcel]

I'm too gas-pilled unfortunately 😆 I like to hang out in my fart cloud while the bugs fall apart around me

[steep hound]

but it's not a novel enough weapon that you couldn't just use a different marksman rifle

which is why I think Killzone Warbond is basically the weakest one

it's double the cost of most other Warbonds for stuff that you can get very similar equivalents to elsewhere

[steady flame]

-# yeah in hindsight buying the kill zone warbond was a mistake

-# we barely use the things in it lol

[steep hound]

I already have half the stuff in it from the initial release of the KZ stuff anyway

[oblique lotus]

the best killzone weapon isnt in the killzone warbond

[steep hound]

it's true

[odd arch]

it's tragic that they added the normal weapons, WASP aside

instead of the fuckin

I suppose bushwhacker exists but come on

or the boltgun

[strange vine]

i wish they gave the halo crossover the spanker missile launcher

wouldve been a good pick

2 missiles per reload with laser guidance like commando

[steep hound]

that'd be neat

what are some other collabs that'd be decent

Warhammer 40K by way of Imperial Guardsmen feels like an obvious one

[odd arch]

starship troopers

[steep hound]

oh Colonial Marines from Aliens too

gimme a pulse rifle

[steady flame]

.. Colonial Marines would go insanely hard for the M56, but, I don't envy the balance on it.

-# think we’ll actually try cremator today. Plus maybe things like gas strikes, possibly EAT as a panic option, and some kind of 4th slot

-# or we just bring mechs again because we don’t actually play mechs very often and this feels like a good excuse

[odd arch]

if nobody got me I know EAT got me

[steep hound]

Titanfall
I want the smart pistol

[steady flame]

I don't like EATs, but, I respect the Commando meself.

[odd arch]

kraber as a ricocheting direct damage answer to eruptor perhaps

[steady flame]

.. Okay now I really really want a guided MG that takes a backpack slot.

The alternative is I make the anti tank option “flaming something in the face until it drops dead”

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) I don't like EATs, but, I respect the Commando meself.

[odd arch]

like the aliens smartgun?

[steady flame]

Yep.

Alder (it/its) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) like the aliens smartgun?

Which may actually work tbh. Bugs don’t have many things with higher than heavy armour

Mhm. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the EATs really, I just dun like 'em.

47864 | experimental cryptid ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) The alternative is I make the anti tank option “flaming something in the face until it drops dead” 📎

Fair

We…don’t tend to use them much but when we have they’re alright

If we’re bringing AT it’s normally RR, Quasar, or just an orbital/eagle strat

[odd arch]

I think the smartgun would need medium pen to represent the original right

[blissful sparrow]

now, you are not gonna believe this

[odd arch]

in which case it'd be an interesting balancing act

[steep hound]

well,

[hazy oriole]

Isn't that the Warrant? It's a pretty neat little thing, too

Love it for Squids for blasting snitches

[steep hound]

the Warrant is a Judge Dredd Lawgiver rather than a Titanfall smart pistol and I am not going to elaborate on what possible distinction there could be mechanically

[odd arch]

the warrant funnily matches the titanfall smart pistol in that both guns are way better if you don't exclusively depend on the tracking

[steady flame]

We’d still like a version that’s closer to the actual smart pistol. What with the option of firing in burst mode and targeting specific weakspots

Prudentia | LFACs given ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) now, you are not gonna believe this

Don’t think we’ll get it

But it’d be interesting

[hazy oriole]

With like the arcing you can do with the projectile?

[steady flame]

-# please we are so starved for Titanfall content

-# I refuse to play apex. They can’t make me

[graceful bluff]

Give me the Weezer gun but buffed up to kill bugs

[hazy oriole]

It'd be nice to have the old " lock onto a grenade and shoot it to blow it up" feature, but with the difference in pace between the games I'm not sure that'd be that useful

[steady flame]

It would be funny if you could detonate grenades mid air by shooting them

Let me air burst a giga-grenade

hamblergher (he/they) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) It'd be nice to have the old " lock onto a grenade and shoot it to blow it up" feature, but with the…

[graceful bluff]

????

making the main body 2 armor is.. a choice

[hallow gorge]

Obvioously Arrowhead wants them to be bulky but largely unthreatening enemies

[split parcel]

It's going back to how it was before the heavy frontal armor change aiui

[graceful bluff]

Oh right 2 armor is still light

Forgot there's.. two unarmored for some reason

[odd arch]

unarmored II takes half damage from the lightest bullets

wait no

huh

it only applies to extreme angle hits

[oblique lotus]

white hitmarker so 65% damage vs AP2 weapons

[odd arch]

according to the wiki unarmored II is distinct and below AP2

[oblique lotus]

unarmored 2 is AV1

I am assuming it is going from AV1 to AV2

oh wait unarmored Ii not hiveguard

[glacial light]

I bet it's the Q&A Pilesedt did on r/helldiversunfiltered, which is now like an AH hate echo chamber which was a choice instead of well the main helldivers 2 subreddit

[oblique lotus]

frankly acknowledging that subreddit at all was a mistake

[glacial light]

Yea, even for reddit its really toxic. It started different but at this point it's people who got banned from other Helldiver subreddit

[warped cradle]

Tbqh AH choosing to ask for feedback on reddit in general is less than ideal

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/LowSodiumHellDivers/comments/1szlvbx/patriot_vs_hive_guards/
Insurmountable challenge

[supple siren]

I assume the heavy armor change was almost specifically for turrets

[warped cradle]

A lot of Helldivers subreddits are just echo chambers

[odd arch]

everything is fine echo chamber vs everything is fucked echo chamber

which way helldivers player

[warped cradle]

I choose to log off and play the game instead

[keen zinc]

Same, and if stuff bugs me I stop playing for a bit and come back later, not that big a deal

Maybe they fix it maybe they don't, if they don't then that's more time of me playing other things but that's fine I'll come back once in a while

[warped cradle]

Redditors when they figure out you can play Helldivers instead of talking about how it feels to play Helldivers: 🤯

[keen zinc]

Enjoy the good, and if you get sick of the bad, play something else until you're ready to enjoy the good again

Now people might say that means they'll never fix the bad, and maybe so, but honestly raging against the machine won't do that either, in any reasonable likelihood. It just causes rubberbanding.

[supple siren]

I'm generally of the opinion that the bad is largely overstated

People hate to die in the game that loves to instantly mulch you

Reasons? Who could know..

[keen zinc]

Eh, I wish vaulting wasn't broken. That and filthmasks on just so many armors and helmets.

[glacial light]

True in general but this subreddit is especially toxic even for reddit

Also this is their first reddit Q&A in for a long while, if just in general for hd2. The biggest one subrbeddit would be like much chiller about things

[keen zinc]

People are way too caught up on balance.

[warped cradle]

It really doesn't seem like there's a good way for Arrowhead to survey the community honestly without just doing it in-game

[keen zinc]

Wish we could use the terminals across from the armory.

[warped cradle]

The official discord is a toxic mess, reddit is a mess, a lot of YouTube is a mess

[supple siren]

The popularity was slightly a curse

[keen zinc]

Vaulting, steering lock, cosmetic blackening, thankfully they finally fixed fleshmobs being concrete amorphous that was one of my big ones.

That shows progress on the list.

Highlight of the patch for me.

[supple siren]

Is the vaulting bug new I feel like I haven't really experienced it

[keen zinc]

It's new yeah

Since they changed being able to climb resupply pods a few patches ago iirc

Vaulting has been busted

[supple siren]

Coding seems like a real hoot

[keen zinc]

Tech debt

And vaulting is a major mechanic I hope they fix soon

Feels real bad in urban maps

Not to be able to climb a curbside halfwall quickly

Bugs should take far more precedence over balance but salty whiners only seem to care about their ability to breeze through D10s without needing to adapt or aim

[oblique lotus]

Game is broadly good and I like it but I do kinda dislike how dependent I am on wiki data to pick solutions

[keen zinc]

And so that's who the devs get the most volume from

[oblique lotus]

i.e. against spore BTs I had to go and look up head HP to see why my EATs werent doing the job

idk if thats actually solveable

[warped cradle]

Maybe I'm the minority here but I kind of like that there's limited info you get from enemies

[rotund marten]

spore BTs are kind of an odd experience

on one hand they're pretty harmless, on the other hand they're very spongy and annoying

shame that the breakpoint appears to be "spam RR to one tap to the head"

[warped cradle]

It makes emerging new ones feel unknown and mysterious, and in general I really like the FAFO gameplay loop of Helldivers

[supple siren]

I'm of the type to turn damage numbers off in MH, i don't need the games spelling everything out

[odd arch]

I'm generally in favour of nebulous info but only if the solutions can be intuited using common/real word logic

if does not follow my intuition that hitting a bug on the head with an anti-tank missile doesn't do it

[keen zinc]

mrw I unload all my commando rockets into a creatures dome and it still lives

https://youtu.be/lNWSoKy2XG8?si=Cj3nIqvF-y7NQoUP

[oblique lotus]

commando might actually twoshot

[split parcel]

Black Cauldron in the year of our lord 2026

[oblique lotus]

1100 damage, nevermind

[split parcel]

I would have thought charged Epoch two shots the head with the damage on the wiki but i may be calcing it wrong because it seems like a consistent 3 shot

[odd arch]

especially when the precedent with enemy types who are bearers of the hive's armour (chargers) is that they feel it when a rocket hits them

so bile titans who are not The Guy With The Armour shrugging it off with their forehead is something I need a data explanation for

[keen zinc]

"Gurgi has no friends" lives forever in my mind palace

Funniest scene not intended to be comedic of all time

If only it had successfully bankrupted Disney

Saved the timeline

[oblique lotus]

head is 2500 hp 95% durable AV4 50% ExDr, charged epoch is 800/400 direct AP5+ 800/800 AP5 explosion summing to 820

wait that should fourshot

I guess some of that damage is going to body because hitboxes?

[split parcel]

It miiiiight be? I won't claim to have the best aim

[split parcel]

Is ExDr explosive damage reduction? If it's not too much trouble do you mind breaking down what all the XXX/YYY and such means?

[oblique lotus]

ExDr is explosive damage reduction, non durable damage/durable damage

[split parcel]

I know that equal AP vs armor is 65% effectiveness at least

Gotcha

[knotty folio]

95% durable is a bit unusual, I wonder if that changes any breakpoints vs 100% durable

[blissful sparrow]

so the one question i do actually have is who playtested that killing enemies is what makes them more powerful

like a charger variant of the spore charger that speed buffed other bugs around it while alive i am so in for

but every single bug dying buffing everyhing around it is questionable

[dark plover]

I think it could be an interesting mechanic if it applied to specific units, there were more ways to reliably separate them to prevent the buff, etc. I guess right now the only real tactical consideration is: "They're gonna be on your ass as soon as the first shot is fired, so plan appropriately."

[glacial light]

Its being in the spore cloud which is released by killing unless they're affected by DOTs ( not super consistent and still sometimes releases spores on fire)

[split parcel]

Makes me want a gas equivalent of Cremator with longer lingering clouds or something. I just want more funny gas stuff tbh

[glacial light]

Yea I think every bug being able to release spores seems a bit overtuned, especially since its so large of a radius

[split parcel]

Sterilizer + Hot Dog is fun

[glacial light]

I think itd make sense if small bugs release tiny gas cloud and big ones release bigger ones

[split parcel]

Yeah like a little hunter or whatever compared to a spore charger

Spore charger would look dope as hell

[glacial light]

It seems odd like a hunter just drops a cloud the size of a horizontal bile titan

But so do the larger bugs

[split parcel]

Excited for the white paint job for the mech, White Breakthrough is gonna have some huge paladin vibes 🔥

[dark plover]

Perfect canvas to make a Jackson Pollock painting out of bug and squid blood

[blissful sparrow]

the one thing that can replace my black and red camo is all white camo, its gonna be good

[blissful sparrow]

i need someone to make a meme of a stalker in a red cloud, with the spongebob speed goggles going "Wanna see me kill a helldiver? wanna see me do it again?"

[oblique lotus]

I'd like it if the clouds didn't last as long because rn one bad cloud can juice an entire spawn

[glacial light]

Also that

[hazy oriole]

it's a shame because if I squint I can see the vision they're going for and I don't entirely hate it, I think Bugs can turn into a bit of a runfest and in theory this means you can't run from them forever, but in practice they go so fast it looks scuffed lol

[strange vine]

I think its fun that its so scuffed

[cobalt patrol]

I've been enjoying it. Also bugs who burn out asphixate to death don't burst

So orbital napalm, gas strike etc are premium strats

The new Mecha are fantastic into them

[split parcel]

I've been going pretty much full gas with the Flamer primary and its been really solid

[glacial light]

Lumberer kind of hard counters them quite a lot

[split parcel]

Sterilizer included

[glacial light]

Alway using torcher, heavy fire resist, supply pack, and its been smooth sailing mostly. I feel like I get slapped hard by the spored up sanic bugs using other builds but speed doesnt matter when you're standing in a sea of fire

[cobalt patrol]

My load out has been Sweeper, gas grenades, grenade pistol, cremator, heavy Fireproof, lumber, 500kg, orbital napalm

Works very well as long as you're not afraid to be the aggro tank

(read: create a napalm hell zone, then actually walk into it, so everything tries to fight you in the flames and dies)

You'll burn through stims and sometimes you get evsceriated out of the blue, but in general you're just a one man fireborn apocalypse

Use the lumber to help break bases and snipe heavies

[glacial light]

Its why I bring supply pack, tons of stims

[hazy oriole]

I kinda want a mini orbital laser as a stratagem

have it work kinda like an eagle strafing run where it's a quick burst sweep of damage in a small area

[warped cradle]

Like the orbital airburst?

[glacial light]

Imagine laser mines, like a bouncing betty and once activate it jumps up and floats for like 5 seconds shooting lasers at whatever is nearby

[quick plinth]

I really really want an energy exosuit.

maybe a twin lasercannon one? or like a single laser cannon and a beefed sickle?

[strange vine]

oh my god the breakthrough's flak shells have the helldiver logo on it

[steady flame]

Good lord the fucking spore strain

They just go so fast and can absolutely mince you

[glacial light]

What about laser cannon & Quasar

[dark plover]

Laser lance!

[unreal merlin]

laser melee mech please??

[glacial light]

Mech with CQC hammer but it's a hellbomb

[cobalt patrol]

A mech with a las cannon and some kind of heavy melee option would def go hard

Also, if anyone is struggling with the spore strain - The Lumberer is a fantastic soloution.

The only real threat you face is a Bt getting ontop of you and meleeing

and that should basically never happen (and eeven if it does, you loose one arm and maybne a leg at worse)

[graceful bluff]

Laser orbital that's just one of those rust removal lasers

[cobalt patrol]

I really wish people would just bring hte meta boosters

and only hte meta boosters

and keep doing this until arrowhead learsn

[split parcel]

The booster situation is pretty far and away my biggest complaint with the game I'd say, yeah

[supple siren]

Ship Upgrades, I miss em

[tight zephyr]

I want things to spend my samples on.

Even if it was like, a full stack of them to ten SC or something.

[strange vine]

I dont reaally care what form it takes i just want something to dump them in and the DSS isnt a good one for that

[tight zephyr]

Or let me exchange them for medals or something.

[weary granite]

Aiiiight, I played on Spore bugs a few times and holy shit. I do NOT remember Spore Burst being this fucking fast.

They put the Predator Strain to shame

[tight zephyr]

This is total daydreaming territory, but what if you could exchange samples to rent an item from a Warbond you don’t own?

[split parcel]

Its a new addition with this patch

[weary granite]

At this point, I'd rather fight Predator Strain than deal with this nonsense.

I want to spend samples to give myself (or my lobby) buffs for the next mission we take.

Spending certain ratios of samples to get certain buffs.

[stone bridge]

It's not super hard to deal with, being a shotgun with knockback and you're halfway to handling it

[weary granite]

Its their speed I have a problem with

They move faster than I turn my SMGs

That is FAST

[stone bridge]

Yes, and knockback gets them off you

[weary granite]

Yes, the first ten. What about the other forty moving like they are on crack cocaine?

[stone bridge]

That's where you mix gas into your Loadout

[weary granite]

I know, I wear gas armor and toss a nade at my feet.

[stone bridge]

Gas strikes, mines and especially nades are all great options

[weary granite]

Yes but there is such a thing as TOO FAST.

I thought Predator Strain were supposed to be the fast ones.

These make them look like snails.

[stone bridge]

It adds a unique aspect to them and it's very manageable with the right gear

[weary granite]

But it encroaches on Predator Strain territory and they were supposed to be the fast ones, we had Rupture Strain with their digging, but Spore Burst now just took Predator's schtick and just made it better when it could have done anything else.

[split parcel]

I feel like predator strain's thing was more the invisibility

[cobalt patrol]

Fire and g as shit all over the Spore strain.

Cremator with heavy infllambe is a huge force multiplier

both the new mechs are brilliant at crushing them, and the patriot should also just do fine.

(Bugs that die to flame or gas don't burst)

I am currently rolling with Heavy Inflammable, 500kg, Sweeper (any g ood shotgun with knockback like briar says should do fine, tbh you could rock the deadeye and do well), Gas grenades, cremator, grenade pistol, napalam barrage, and lubmerer.

I've broguht napalm mines to good effect as well

Thoguh frankly those are still very prone to deleting teamates

[split parcel]

Could try gas mines instead!

[cobalt patrol]

Right now the lubmerer is taking the mine spot in my loadout

Incin mines are genuinely very killy though and will mulch a breech

[split parcel]

Though I do absolutely get the "alright this is My Zone now and I'm going to chill in here until everything around me dies"

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah ,that's legit one of the best things to do as Heavy armor cremator

steal the supplies.

Set down a firewall.

walk into the firewall and your supplies.

(Your teamates arent allowed the supplies, they're yours)

you are now on fire.

evgerything is on fire.

everything is trying to ocme and get you

but you're on fire.

they're on fire.

everything is on fire

[split parcel]

I do that with gas mines and heavy gas armor lmao. Complete damage immunity to the gas with that and vitality booster

[cobalt patrol]

(Your teamates may also be on fire, but that's their fault)

and the thing is? This fucking works

You will soak so much aggro, the only things that really damage you are the stray melee hits (that's why you stole the supplies)

and spore guys trying to swarm you in teh flames die in droves

Spore mostly getso ut of control because people bring shitty loadouts, or do stupid things like knock you down with their grenade launcher spam

(and to be clear, i still rack up a few deaths as heavy flame guy - you're tough as hell, but you still die to a solid few melees, you're not icnvile)

you just dont die instantly, and the ability to drop a gas, pop a stim, run and then start laying down a firewall is huge

tybh your single biggest threat is getting stepped on by the Spore titans.

[cobalt patrol]

My current going theory is there's two problems going on:

One, they don't know what to do about the base vitality/extra supplies/stamina boosters in the base warbond (And the code for these is probably Upsetting Spaghetti enough that hcnaigng them might cuase issues).

Two: There's probably osmeone high up in the chain who genuuinely doesnt think it's ap rolbem, and is putting the breaks on. And... that's just based off me and my own playtesting experience and interacitng with game devs, you as a playtester can turn blue tryign to explain why dosmething is an issue, but if the dev doesn't belive it's an issue... you aint gonna logic them into seeing it as an issue.

Gamne devs: frustratingly, just as human as everyone else

It's really frustrating in this case, because 20% more hp, 20% more stamina, double the starting # of supplies, and all the bonsues experimetnal infusions gives you are just so good they compedtely crowd out everything else

[rotund marten]

I need to pick up the fireproof armour so I can give flame trooper a go

[tight zephyr]

Firebug is a good build.

[rotund marten]

so far mech, gun drone and a lot of bullets have kept me pretty safe despite the sporebursts but I do need to grab the fire and gas warbonds since they're literally the only ones I'm missing and they're very handy here

[tall stone]

I'd stand by rover, because spore bugs don't make a cloud if they die to DoT.

Laser weaponry also works a treat because it sets them on fire.

[split parcel]

Cookout is an amazing primary for spore bugs too

Tons of stagger to keep them off of you, and fire dot to burn them to death without causing a spore cloud

[cobalt patrol]

My experience is that the gas dog is just too slow vs their speed.

Gun Dog might cause spore clouds, but it also just outright kills things

[tall stone]

I'm talking the laser dog.

Which also just kills things Including sometimes your teammates

[cobalt patrol]

Good ol Decpitatorn 10,000

[tall stone]

Yep!

[cobalt patrol]

Anywea,y the talk of the preadtor straint makes me think what we actuall need now is Predator Titans

they're like Bile Titans but they cloak now.

[split parcel]

Lmaooo

[tall stone]

No no. What we need is Predator Chargers.

[cobalt patrol]

Alt: to not step on Spore Titans niche, it's instead Predator Impalers

But we already have Rupture Chargers

[tall stone]

You know true.

[strange vine]

predator pouncers that go invisible

[cobalt patrol]

so i actualyl think Predator Impalers is funnier. "Why is the ground shaking"

[tall stone]

Invisible Impalers does sound like a good threat too.

[strange vine]

make predator stalkers also go invisible

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, so i'm not just shitposting:

PRedator Impalers: physically Smaller (closer to charger size) Less hp, ap 3 instead of ap4. Cloak. Move faster, and deplyo/retract their tenatcle way faster. Only deploy a single tentacle instead of 3.

[glacial light]

I wonder if dagger/scythe would be good against spores, they set enemies on fire iirc

[cobalt patrol]

Maybe, but I suspect you'd slam into overheat issues + no stagger

[split parcel]

Yeah there's so many bugs and they come at you so fast that I don't think either of those will be able to keep up

[hazy oriole]

It's specifically the convenient straight line strafe pattern I want, so no

[graceful bluff]

I still really want an upgrade that turns gas flammable a la DRG

[warped cradle]

Making gas flammable is the easiest way to make everyone stop using gas

[steady flame]

-# “fun” thing I just learned. Spore burst hunters don’t contribute to “kill hunters” personal missions

-# I need to kill 25 and despite mulching probably twice that number it says I’ve got a grand total of 0

[dark plover]

Do gas and fire dots currently just stack flat additively?

[weary granite]

Yeah the spore burst hunters don't count oddly enough because I'm pretty sure I iced more than 25 of them.

[weary granite]

Truly different variants for each subfaction would be baller as hell.

[warped cradle]

I wonder what a rupture hunter would look like

Or an incinerator factory strider

[weary granite]

Incinerator Factory Strider imho would be like a slower moving factory strider but the top turret is replaced with a spinning turret, that periodically shoots up incendiary grenades that land around it, and the two miniguns are just regular flamethrowers. The caveat to this one is that it can't produce Devastators because all the space inside is being used for fuel for the flame.

Rupture Hunter would probably tunnel fast, but be extremely susceptible to explosion damage. You'd be able to see them coming from a mile away because their tunneling kicks up a lot of dirt, and sending an explosion while they are still underground gibs them. Just that they'd still be a lot and they prefer to leap out at you flying than coming up directly underneath to bite your knees.

[glacial light]

A predator impaler that acts more like a charger and just whips it's tentacles around wildly while charging

[weary granite]

That would be a hilarious image

[glacial light]

Imagine running up a charger with a hammer and it bitch slaps you then stomps you

[weary granite]

Though it may be more likely that Pred Strain Impaler is a faster shit that only sprouts one tentacle but doesn't shake the ground or give any obvivous visual cues aside from the fact it is still a huge tentacle.

Sort of like a sneak attack tentacle like how Chargers silently come out of left field to run you over.

[split parcel]

did they make pretty much everything in the super store permanently available?

[blissful sparrow]

Rupture Impaler sneaking around underground like a submarine with its tentacles as periscopes

[warped cradle]

Yep

[weary granite]

Oh, so no more rotation?

[warped cradle]

Nope, all items are now permanent

[weary granite]

Huh, cool

[split parcel]

that's pretty slick, good change

[split parcel]

@cobalt patrol yeah cremator + heavy fireproof armor is ridiculous against spore bugs lmao

Had a 1k kill game on like the second outing with it

[cobalt patrol]

Wow, I haven't managed that many at all

[cobalt patrol]

There's currently still some level of rotation, but they're planning on making the entire store always available

[split parcel]

I was on a d10 with only one other teammate for a lot of it so that may have inflated the kill count a bit

[cobalt patrol]

Still, impressive work

[tight zephyr]

That was a lot of bugs.

[steady flame]

Honestly we’ve been running fireproof armor + flamethrower (will be running cremator once we unlock it)

It’s really fun

[tight zephyr]

It’s awesome. You can even roast bile titans if your positioning is good.

[steady flame]

Yeah it’s really satisfying to see a big breach and just burn the entire thing

[dark plover]

Importantly, Salamander armor is also drippy as hell and has a nice selection of matching helmets.

[weary granite]

I'll see if my spicy barbecue build will do better with Cremator than Gas Dog + Torcher

Gonna use heavy dune armor to resist both gas and fire with Health booster and see how that goes.

Hopefully it does better.

[dark plover]

Anyone tried Gas Dog and normal Flamethrower?

[tight zephyr]

Yeah, it’s solid.

[dark plover]

Or Spear Gun + Hot Dog... once they're slowed and confused from gas the dog might have an easier time tagging them

[unreal merlin]

Big shout out to the Laser Cannon vs the new spore bugs! It performs amazingly vs all the things Alpha Commander and smaller, and its particular method of killing prevents the gas bugs from exploding their orange everywhere. This means that the crowd doesn't go turbo sanic mode, and you can hose them with your fire-ignition laser from far away safely.

Bonus for bringing the Rover Guard Dog and/or the Laser Sentry.

Scythe for the exact same reason. Full laser build is very effective on these worlds.

[steady flame]

Don’t have gas dog but ordinary flamer does good work

Ayef Kay ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Anyone tried Gas Dog and normal Flamethrower?

[graceful bluff]

gas dog flamethrower is a great combo

funnily enough gas thrower flame dog is a horrible combo :v

[unreal merlin]

Sterilizer got buffed in this patch but I haven't used it yet.

[split parcel]

it's pretty decent now. could still maybe be a bit better but it's not godawful anymore

[split parcel]

was pretty effective when I tried it last, having the gas be on demand in any direction you needed is pretty nice

[graceful bluff]

It's more that at least last time I used it, the hot dog really liked setting you on fire :v

[tight zephyr]

I've also been getting a lot of mileage out of the Stoker.

It is a special pleasure to burn. To see things eaten, to see things blackened and changed. With a flick of the igniter, the bugs leapt up in a great gorging fire that burned the evening sky red and orange and black.

[steady flame]

Just wish it was easier to hot swap between the flamer and gun on controller

Apart from that, love it

[tight zephyr]

Smiling, I strode in a swarm of fireflies.

[weary granite]

Solid but you definitely need to do your best to spread the fire around and weave through the swarm of ankle biters.

[warped cradle]

The lumberer feels a little lackluster

I'm running out of fuel for the flamethrower like 3 minutes in, but I may just be bad at ammo efficiency

[dark plover]

For small chaff a lot of times it's sufficient to just spray across the ground in the direction they're coming from and let them run into the flames and die.

[cobalt patrol]

3 minutes of active use time seems fine? Thoguh also yes, you are probably over doing it

I treat it like a force multiplier - use it to breach bases

or help to hold a point/escort people

[unreal merlin]

Sterilizer actually feels alright vs speed bugs, I think. It takes maybe half a second of spray to make a large cloud that can block an entire street

And you can keep doing this fairly efficiently to keep the horde under control (dead). Has less feedback than flame stuff though.

Problem as always is that you're lacking in AT but that's what teammates and stratagem choice is for

[weary granite]

Wait, doesn't gas go through Armor and straight to HP?

[unreal merlin]

Yes, though the raw dps isn't incredibly high iirc

But dot + confusion is good, and sterilizer does it well for cheap over a large area

[weary granite]

Tbh, I just want the Sterilizer to have one advantage.

Its gas can make long lasting clouds.

Compared to the other gas weapons.

[weary granite]

Uhhhhh

10 what game?

[weary granite]

Oh, Common Samples

[steady flame]

1 0 .

Night Parade in the Kitchen [🔔] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) 10 what game?

[tight zephyr]

Ten.

[cobalt patrol]

Honestly, this is a good return.

Bastardly BUgs are trying to brigandeer Brilliance

[verbal summit]

I should not show my stats

[cobalt patrol]

Hmm, yes, that's the good stuff

[tight zephyr]

The Cremator is my new favorite bug support.

Ain’t nothing you can’t kill with that much fire.

[cobalt patrol]

I am very curious about hte accident... oh right

i roasted a guy

w/e he was swarmed by bugs and ying anyway

[tight zephyr]

I bring the Stoker along to pick off bugs biting my teammates. And also to have a backup flamethrower.

Gas grenades.

[split parcel]

I'm a big fan of Cookout for this reason due to the stagger force

immediately buys some time for your teammates which is pretty crucial

[tight zephyr]

I'll have to give it a go.

[blissful sparrow]

i had some gread fun with Cookout, Gas Grenades and Maxigun

the real accomodation for spore bugs has been heavy armor instead of light

[cobalt patrol]

I have a hat!

[split parcel]

Yooooo

[cobalt patrol]

It's not spores, but it's honest work

Also i like the "Only hit 119 shots. Somehow killed 826 things depsite that)

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1t1cszw/well_well_well_how_the_turn_ta/

[glacial light]

Devs got the funniest kills

[glacial light]

I found this gold in the comments

[warped cradle]

They really do have the meanest left hook in the galaxy

[trim breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZqGeloclPM

tl;dr: The ridiculous speed isn't innate. The spore clouds they produce on death/wiht the spore titan give every bug in their radius a stacking buff.

You can avoid a chain reaction of meth bugs by using flame or lasers (not the Sickle) because those won't proc the spore burst

[glacial light]

Crematorand lunberers are hard counters to the spore bugs

[dark plover]

Lumberer straight up hard carries me on D10. Rocket turret is also unusually helpful because of the ridiculous BT spawn rate.

[glacial light]

That's an interesting combo I think I'll do that, lumberer and spray some fire near the turret to protect it

[dark plover]

That ought to work! Given the turrets ridiculous range, I've found the majority of the swarm focuses on the big stompy death machine in their path instead. A little fire zone to catch any flankers ought to do nicely.

[glacial light]

Hmm I wonder if flame sentry would be useful or will it just die to enemies chipping it away

[warped cradle]

Flame sentry works pretty nice if you give it proper placement

[oblique lotus]

I've been running gas/MG turret/recoilless/utility

gas/MG deals with all the fast stuff, recoilless for BTs

[blissful sparrow]

also an amusing thing i noticed today:
a big reason why Spore worlds are so much more difficult than normal bug worlds is that the Patrol rate is bonkers cranked up

Noticed it because now had twice the bug that on an eradicate mission no bug breaches spawn.
The first time was on a normal bug world, and we just lot the eradicate because the slow trickle of patrols walking it just could not amount to enough kills.
Meanwhile on a spore world we still had plenty of patrols walk in, even tho they never called in a bug breach, but we could still murder our way to winning the mission

[weary granite]

Also I noticed that they were reverting the changes to Hive Guard?

I mean yeah it needs just a slight bit of tweaking but they were fine?

Like at most I would have just made the front leg plating to be Medium pen and the head plate as heavy pen.

There we go, threat to Light and Medium, but Medium has an option to hit an easier weakpoint compared to Light that has to aim for exposed bits.

[warped cradle]

The whining worked apparently

It makes me afraid for future patches where enemies get buffed or changed

[split parcel]

I guess my biggest hypothetical pet peeve with heavy armor Hive Guard is that it can mess with MG Sentry/Gatling Sentry kinda bad

like with how numerous they could be and how often you could just have a fairly common sentry focusing on something it couldn't ever kill I guess I could see that being an issue

but to be clear that's not something I ever personally experienced

[dark plover]

Stupid aside- do the JAR Dominator's jet assisted rounds count as missiles? If so, this newest warbond enables filling all 3 weapon slots with missile launchers.

[quartz cloak]

If you count gyrojet bullets you could have done that from the last warbond with the Veto

[dark plover]

Ah, that's true! Totally forgot about the rocket mauser

[weary granite]

Hive Guard is meant to become chaff in higher difficulties so that would mess with anyone not using Heavy Pen.

Which is why personally the leg plates should have stayed Medium and just slightly buffed the main body HP.

That way Medium Pen is still viable as long as you aim for the weaker armor parts.

Plus turrets swing around as they shoot, so chances are they will clip the leg a few times and kill them that way.

[glacial light]

I think if spawn rates were adjusted id prefer that, I like the idea of bugs spawning in patrols hordes that rush you rather than spawning right from the ground is kind of annoying when you got a defensive barrier then oops breach next to you cause that you can't really stop.

I like the feel of I can see the horde incoming and approaching than I guess its spawning in next to me

With an adjustment like this it'd be neat to have a rupture bile titan that if you dont kill it just plants itself and creates tunnels as their unique digging theme

[oblique lotus]

you could still kill hive guard from the front, there's several gaps in the armor when they pose

small gaps but consistent ones

[stone bridge]

This has been the status quo since the beginning, the HD2 community is rancid, and the problem is it works

[weary granite]

AH needs in game surveys bruh, I refuse to believe the whiners outnumber the rest of the playerbase IN THE GAME.

[stone bridge]

I mean they don't, but it's an extremely vocal minority that drowns out any other voice

[weary granite]

vocal minorities ruining shit again

[hazy oriole]

While I don't like how the main form of communication from players to devs is through big, mean, angry posting, I also don't mind the hive guard change being reverted, it didn't really do anything positive for the enemy or change how boring it was to interact with

[weary granite]

Its a shame really, they would have been the shield devastator equivalent on the bug front.

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1t2bfml/add_more_expendables_arrowhead_i_am_normal_and/

[spare verge]

they could add an expendable rifleman stratagem

its code could be something like ⬆️ ⬇️ ➡️ ⬅️ ⬆️

[blissful sparrow]

Battleship, but its hellpods
Aww, you sunk my super destroyer

[tight zephyr]

Infinite Gun Works

[steep hound]

I can't believe people were worried about the Bug durable damage increase making the new mechs ineffectual

the Breakthrough fucking bullies them so hard it's ridiculous

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfiM1PgKYMw

[cobalt patrol]

https://youtu.be/T2UKVco45VE

[warped cradle]

My Zygos, my Dune

[graceful bluff]

We can't even swim

[glacial light]

Inb4 New mission type ominously named "Zelda Water Temple"

[strange vine]

hows this for a ballistic shield icon?

[strange vine]

different track

[graceful bluff]

I feel like that ones better, the top one would be better if we got an ERA shield or something in the future

[cobalt patrol]

Helldivers moment:

Whgen your teamates sentry team kills you

causing you dto drop the orbital napalm

on the extract

[blissful sparrow]

happened 3 times in a row to me yesterday

turns out gatling really likes to track spore boosted scavengers
and spore boosted scavangers love running past you to stab you in the back

[rotund marten]

I'm not sure what's going on with those, whether it's an actual AI change for the spore ones or just them running so fast they get past you before they swap to attacking and manage a smooth encirclement

fun gimmick either way

makes it a lot harder to just book it in the zoomy light armour, which generally keeps me safe from the warriors even when unloading bullets into them with gundog/bullet storm

[blissful sparrow]

it does make my maxigun usage spicy
But i've also switched Python commandos heavy armor for it and the melee boosted damage clobbers them just fine

[cobalt patrol]

I think it was @split parcel who suggested the Cook out and that does work on the spore strain. i forgot how ridic it's stagger was

very funny watching a bug just get yeeted backwards

[split parcel]

Yeah, it's gnarly. Stagger locks anything smaller than a charger, including Stalkers

[stone bridge]

Me too, punisher or cookout both do crazy work

[split parcel]

Briar's who put me on to the Cookout when I was a wee little baby diver 😛

I rarely use anything else for the bugs

[stone bridge]

Eyyy happy to help

[marble parcel]

even stalkers? wowee

[split parcel]

Yeah it absolutely mulches them

Predator stalkers too

They're big enough that they catch fire with just one shot, and two or three shots while waiting for the fire dot to wear off each time usually kills them

[steep hound]

Cookout's a personal fave yeah

[split parcel]

And the stagger is enough to where you can uuuuusually afford to fully wait out the fire dot to maximize ammo efficiency

Though I may be a little incorrect there because I frequently run gas dog

[glacial light]

Light armor move armor you can slide around like it's Warframe and it helps save stamina while being mobile while you bulletstorm. The bugs tend to hit high with jumps so you actually dodge quite a few of them especially with slide into dive which inherent momentum and keeps your character low to the ground

[split parcel]

So ymmv. But the crux of the issue is yes, Cookout stagger-locks Stalkers. Also Alpha Commanders

[steep hound]

I've always been more fond of the Punisher/Cookout than the Breaker/Breaker Incendiary

[split parcel]

Breakers having the duckbill choke is nice

[steep hound]

not that I think the Breaker is bad by any means

[split parcel]

But yeah I'm in the same boat

[steep hound]

solidly reliable gun in itself but the Punisher/Cookout are just

satisfying

nice CHK to them

There's scant few weapons i actively dont care for though

[tight zephyr]

I like that they changed the sound of the Cookout firing to include a crackling sound from the phosphorus pellets burning.

[weary granite]

Spore Scavengers?

Go Go Gadget, Fart Cloud (Throw Gas Grenade at my feet)

[split parcel]

A mod with fart reverb on a gas grenade would be pretty funny

[dark plover]

Have it add even more reverb on Orbital Gas Strike

[trail creek]

Is there a reason helldivers can’t swim?

[oblique lotus]

water is authoritarian

[trail creek]

But it allows us more freedom of movement so wouldn’t that make it free adjacent?

[oblique lotus]

it requires you to shed your liberating equipment so no

[trail creek]

I mean light armor doesn’t seem like It would weigh you down too much

[glacial light]

Being wet weighs you down unlike the air of freedom

The real answer is its just a game design decision and no real lore reason

[spare verge]

I'd speculate something like "only class A citizens have access to swimming pools, and they aren't sending their kids to the army"

[blissful sparrow]

i think its just a carry over from HD1
where due to its 2D nature there 2 things offering blocking obstacles:
Higher Stuff
Lower Stuff

With the free rotation of third person helldivers you can no longer have infinite pits and hide it, so you need to fill them with something. ie water.

[glacial light]

Super Earth Command has decided swimming isn't essential to safety, if water becomes an impassable barrier despite helldiver's elite training can requisition up to 72 hellbombs per super Olympic sized swimming pools to remove liquid terrain obstacles at their discretion

[dark plover]

Oh snap, does that mean we can run 2 mechs on that planet?

[strange vine]

yeppers

[dark plover]

Daaaaaang I gotta get in there before we complete the order 😂 Mech vs mech combat!

[tame parcel]

I have access to HD2 now… idk if I’ll play it though cause I get bad fomo from live action games with limited time events and I already have some I dedicate time to.

[dark plover]

This game's events are rarely distinct or have exclusive enough rewards to make me feel fomo if I don't feel like playing for a while.

[glacial light]

Well time to see if if breakthrough can tank a harvester beam

[tight zephyr]

Also the Warbond always stick around.

[tame parcel]

I’ll see how it ends up on if I try or not.

[weary granite]

Armor, cape, the guns and equipment you wield?

[steady flame]

once again we are confused by the weapon customization system

example: the scythe has the angled foregrip but not the angled grip + laser

[knotty folio]

I get why you would want it but the idea of putting a laser on the Scythe is very funny

[steady flame]

fair enough

[glacial light]

For other guns as well, kind of odd how you can't interchange grips and flashlight/laser

[weary granite]

Fool, I need my non-lethal laser pointer for my lethal laser pointer

[glacial light]

Couldn't be me and lin carbine, I need my lethal bullet pointer for my nonlethal laser pointer

[steep hound]

Yeah HD 2 has almost no FOMO aspects

There's maybe like, one? Two at most mission types that haven't returned at all from the story arc they were introduced in? Otherwise most if not all mission types are readily available somewhere to play, most enemy sub-factions are somewhere on the map at any given time and if one isn't it'll pop up again in the not too distant future and there's 0 FOMO on gear acquisition

It used to be that the Super Store operated on a rotating basis where items would cycle around in availability (so nothing was ever permanently gone but if you missed a two day window you might have to wait two weeks for it to come around again) but even that isn't true now

As much as I have criticisms of HD 2' ongoing monetization system it still realistically remains one of the nicer live service games and the fact that there's no FOMO helps

[cobalt patrol]

Breakthrough vs squidsi s funny

[burnt vapor]

Just the TCS towers and the dark fluid missions iirc?

[spare verge]

I'm betting the reason they're doing termicide 2 is so they can get the TCS missions back in rotation more long term

[tight zephyr]

They should give us mini-TCS towers as a gas sentry.

As an alternative to the gas mortars.

[dark plover]

Blowing the arms off of Appropriators with the shotgun is so satisfying.

[tight zephyr]

Killing them with a Cremator is really funny.

[graceful bluff]

I still want a "sentry" that's just those saw traps from hl2

the spinny ones

[tight zephyr]

That would be hysterical.

You know that would kill so many players, too.

[supple siren]

Like the insane alt fire from Dead Space assault rifle

[tight zephyr]

lmaaooooo

[supple siren]

Shoot everything in the room including yourself unless crouched, exactly what you need to defend a space station

[tight zephyr]

Just in case!

[steady flame]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/LowSodiumHellDivers/s/DuOjP0C1my

[graceful bluff]

tesla tower stays winning

[supple siren]

this is why we let tesla tower sometimes chain 90m to kill a Helldiver

as a lil treat

[graceful bluff]

Shrimply just choose to not get hit by it, I've never died to a tesla tower :v

[split parcel]

It's enrichment

[graceful bluff]

Must be because I feed my tesla tower an amko based diet

[split parcel]

Kinda weird that gas can still boom them

[dark plover]

Gonna put on my arc armor and give the Tesla tower a friendly pat.

[weary granite]

Gas nade at an Illuminate mech causes the pilot to stumble the mech around like a drunk, its funny.

[tight zephyr]

That shit ain’t even environmentally sealed!

goes into a coughing fit during a sandstorm

[glacial light]

I mean a forklift isn't either

[steep hound]

havent tried it on Squids yet but it's so busted on Bugs lmao

yeah man Bug breaches are soooo scary lemme just hop right on top of one and get a 40x kill streak by shield bashing relentlessly

[steep hound]

dawg what is there to even downvote on this one

pipe dream but gimme some Super Credits every once in a while pls

I am maybe coming around on the notion that the HD 2 community doesn't deserve jack shit lol

like fuck is it such an unpopular stance to say that we can make criticisms of AH's handling of aspects of the game without going "AH DOES NOTHING THEY HATE US THEY HATE US"?

[spare verge]

seems frustratingly common in game communities these days

like, I don't go there, I just like looking in sometimes, but foxhole's last update has this at the top of the patch notes

and I don't have to look too hard for youtube to push me videos going "is foxhole dead?"

[steep hound]

Kill Six Billion Gamers

[spare verge]

gamers broadly seem to have absolutely no idea what goes into working on a video game of any size

the industry is littered with the bones of games that made reactionary changes without thinking them through

some friends of mine working on an indie game caved to community pressure and lowered the price from $30 to $20, and overnight went from moderately successful to barely scraping by because it made for precisely 0 additional sales over what they were already doing

[steep hound]

Am I just playing a fucking different game to these people?

[tight zephyr]

My friend I play with took it and she says that it basically shits all over Appropriators if your positioning is good.

[odd arch]

I don't bother talking about the game outside of this server because me enjoying the game makes me a glazediver apparently

even though I have some very spicy criticism of AH

but if game was bad I would not play

[steep hound]

they're downvoting me for the crime of "isn't it a little much to say they've never done anything?"

I swear the subreddit like, used to be fine is the thing

[odd arch]

the funny thing is that I'm over here like, I wish this would suck more

and take issue with AH making players stronger

[steep hound]

we do not need a wide buff or enemy debuff lol

or if you do wanna do that, give me another difficulty

like if you guys aren't finding the game an easy time... have you considered playing on Difficulty 6

[odd arch]

but difficulty options aren't player choice, they're a measure of your worth as a man

if game too hard on hardest then game pick fight with me

[steep hound]

there's like 3 decent Youtubers whose opinions I'll take into consideration everyone else outside this server and my own friends is worthless

[odd arch]

although I understand wanting to play high diff for the intensity but finding the modifiers to be too much

like I always bring up vermintide as an extreme example

on low dif you have to race your team to be the one to slap the lone single rat the game graciously spawned

so if you want to play low diff for the stat adjustments, too bad, because nothing fucking happens

helldivers doesn't suffer this nearly as much but on highest diffs you get big maps and more objective sites and so on

so I can imagine a player who wants that but not the reinforcement conga line

[spare verge]

yeah, I feel like vermintide increases the difficulty in too many different ways simultaneously; helldivers does less of it since more things are static regardless of difficulty (player health, frequency of resupplies)

[steep hound]

the only time I've felt like the game was being downright unfair with enemy spawning lately was when Vox Engines were just popping up 5 at a time

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, suddenly vox engine which also ignored terrain clipping (watching one just drive through the tunnels was uh, upsetting)

[odd arch]

imagine if they had an animation for bending down instead of just clipping

vox engine (horizontal)

[steep hound]

again this entire subreddit has a skill issue lol

[odd arch]

genuine stealth is very strange

[steep hound]

I've ran stealth builds that work pretty well, if you think it's "horrendously bad and unviable" I genuinely think you're probably just a bit shit at it

[odd arch]

"ballistic stealth" where you blow up the base together with the witnesses as you leave is probably the strongest way to play the game

[supple siren]

Stealth is so effective the community for this game is poison

[odd arch]

but stealth stealth has a number of very strange behaviours

like it works

you'll just end up scratching your head often

[steep hound]

I'm running a platform of eliminating gamers' rights

[verbal summit]

I tend to play quickly reloaded stratagems for this reason

I see a base i throw an airburst at it, cluster strike and maybe an orbital precision for fun

Then usually very little is left to deal with

[steep hound]

also this one always gets me because were we ever promised mech customisation??

[verbal summit]

Helldivers through magic has managed to get a fanbase of absolutely insufferable people

And I dont even interaft with them in any way it's all just exposure through what I hear and see from friends

[cobalt patrol]

It's so weird seeing the skill issue stuff and then like in the d10 mines we all went from getting rolled by the soorr burst too... Rolling them

[blissful sparrow]

I've run the suppressor in normal builds purely because its such a nice shooting gun

[cobalt patrol]

Because we all adjusted our load outs and revised our tactics to account

Lots more mechs being brought, more heavy armor, more fire, less sentries

[blissful sparrow]

also had tons of fun running the maxigun into sporebugs, just mowing down everything and recently stumbled upon a comment that maxigun is trash and useless and cannot even harm enemies and just sat there confused

[cobalt patrol]

More working as a team to cover one another (like me wading in as a flame trooper while other teammates covered my flanks or sniped bts)

Seen people do plenty of work with the new bullet storms etc too

[steep hound]

yeah that's the other problem with this community I think

too many of them want to be able to play this as a solo game on D10

[cobalt patrol]

And again, mechs just mulch sporeburst, and a couple of divers in a pair of different mechs covering each other

[steep hound]

like
learn to do teamwork man lol

I say this as someone who sets up all my builds to solo play anyway!

[cobalt patrol]

I mean I basically do play solo d10. I'm a roamer, but I'll be clearing side objectives and I still join up for main objective

[supple siren]

Idk when folks started treating The Highest Difficulty as standard in these type of games

[cobalt patrol]

It's just good praxis on d10 to have a build that has an answer for everything

[supple siren]

I play on 9s/10s but like I want it to be a lil difficult

[cobalt patrol]

(and I've said before run screaming to teammate so they can kill it is a valid answer)

[steep hound]

oh yeah I'm not saying like it CAN'T be done

but I think it's an unrealistic expectation people have that they should all be able to solo D10

[cobalt patrol]

Cultural stuff, I think. There's a bunch of weird... I dunno, haven't got the right words

Stuff

That leads to toxic expectations

[steep hound]

like the game needs to be at a level where effective teamplay on D10 isn't a cakewalk

if you make it so that soloing D10 is a thing anyone can do then effective teamplay on D10 is going to be stupid easy lol

[supple siren]

Like in almost any front

[cobalt patrol]

Like I'm fucking good at video games, I think d10 is relaxing, and stuff that's not d10 is boring.

I am also the first to tell developers that I'm a terrible person to use as a baseline

[steep hound]

some of you people are just not that guy!! you can't all be that guy!

[supple siren]

'Everyone bring gatling sentry' turns off most bugs

[steep hound]

I think a good chunk of this playerbase thinks they're entitled to be you lol

[cobalt patrol]

They do! And they're not me. I'm chronically Ill, have excess free time, and a natural knack for game design that makes me good at pulling games apart and understanding them

Which in turn means I can learn how to do a bunch of bullshit really easily

[steep hound]

I don't even usually play D10 myself lol

[cobalt patrol]

And also that I know things like my aim is a bit shoddy, so I tend to favor things that have a rhythm, or don't require entirely precise shooting

[steep hound]

I've got 650 hours in this game and i've only recently really started to try and push some builds into Diff 9

[cobalt patrol]

(eg I'll snipe with an autocannon or RR, but I don't use actual sniper rifles or the rail gun)

Whereas according to the I'm game stats,I have over 600 hours in mission time

Like actual foot on the ground, playing the game, not faffing around on the prophet of audacity

You'd kinda hope I would be at least competent then XD

[verbal summit]

I went more arc

Blitzer and arc dog stops anything in its tracks

And then I run like a baby from the biles :3

[cobalt patrol]

You of course play yakkitt sax, right?

[verbal summit]

?

[steep hound]

oh no

am I sharing an internet with people too young to get the yakkity sax reference

[blissful sparrow]

obviously you sing about sir robin

[odd arch]

statistically most people know it as benny hill music

[steep hound]

ok good point

[verbal summit]

Im not too young I'm just very unexposed to the wider internet

I will get 0 references

And I know absolutely no famous Internet people

[split parcel]

Benny Hill predates the internet in pretty much any practical sense fwiw

[steep hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

[verbal summit]

I will listen to this when I have time which is uh sometime tonight

(I will forget)

[tight zephyr]

I don’t know what these guys are talking about with the stealth mechanics. Every time I put on a full stealth loadout it’s like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324119716285120532/1493985392519549029/ezgif-5a60b1fbf1eb5441.gif

[strange vine]

yeah seriously

the only stealth change id ask for is making a silenced gun for people to obtain thats not part of the warbond, or part of a free warbond if that ever happens again

[graceful bluff]

Honestly, learning the audio range of your weapons helps a ton

I've been usingthe amendment as my stealth rifle for a while now

[odd arch]

diligence CS and the starter pistol are not silent but both have very low sound radius

the main hurdle with stealth gunning is the near miss mechanic

you have to be really conscious of it all the time

or you end up taking out a sentry but the bullet overpenetrates and your location is revealed in a dream to a random bot 2km behind the first

[oblique lotus]

in general in PUGs you want to be self sufficient which means having an answer to everything

the emphasis might vary but if you're on for example bugs and you can't crack a bile titan I would edit your build

[odd arch]

to some degree it's a problem that being fully self sufficient is easy to achieve

[verbal summit]

I feel like a yearly free warbond wouldve been a good thing tbh

[tight zephyr]

“I got scrumched by a Hulk because I didn’t bring anything to deal with enemies heavier than a Devastator. This game is too hard! :(“

[verbal summit]

Like a big one like the first one

Or maybe every other year idk

[split parcel]

Does gas damage emplacements?

Like an AT emplacement in the middle of some gas mines for example

[knotty folio]

Yes

It's quite annoying if you place one a hair too close to a gas minefield

[trim breach]

It's time.

Deploy the GIF.

I dont' even know what everybody is angry about right now

But they are, indeed, angry

[warped cradle]

These people are not real 😭

[odd arch]

I will die on the hill that the changed hive guards were better

[stone bridge]

what the fuck are people complaining about now

[odd arch]

like having less armour on the rest of their body made them faster to mop up

and hiveguards are an enemy you mop up, not fight

because their only role is to annoy you by being a dot on your minimap

[warped cradle]

People were acting like heavy armor made them invincible, you would think they were AV8 all over their body

[odd arch]

plus I think facetanking sentries would give them a neat rock paper scissors if sentries were smart enough to switch targets after putting X rounds on one

so it was a sentry issue not hiveguard issue

same thing happens when they choose to target a charger

[split parcel]

Yeah I think that's probably the main thing

Like if there's any criticism of heavy armor Hive guards I can at least kind of understand it's that MG/Gatling sentries could just get completely stuck on them, while also being a pretty plentiful unit, which also shows up in decent numbers on low difficulties where newer divers have more restricted stratagem access

So I can understand them being frustrating in those specific scenarios

[karmic prawn]

I think making them more impactful is a good general idea but I had a friend make the fair point that it didn't hugely impact using light weapons against them or explosives, while making other things like gundogs and sentry turrets essentially break at random

Maybe if it was like the overseer ablative armour or something?

[odd arch]

I wouldn't be opposed to all armor in the game having an ablative adjacent mechanic

[dark plover]

This discord subchannel is the only Helldivers community outside of in-game. Such peace and prosperity. ☺️

[cobalt patrol]

They're very upset about arrowheads statement yesterday

Which, I kinda get because it's just words and arrowhead has spilled a lot of ink before without much to show for it

But also my gods and fishes is a game

If arrowhead actually pisses me off, you know what I'll do? Leave a review explaining why I left, and leave the game

Victory.

[stone bridge]

The thing is that Arrowhead is still only AA in scope and people are expecting them to produce at big bucks AAA output

Which is extremely unreasonable

[odd arch]

I wouldn't mind less output at all if it meant more polish but I assume sony has a gun pointed at them at all times

[stone bridge]

that's also a very significant factor yes

in that sense they're hoist by their own petard due to the success of the game

[ionic holly]

I honestly miss heavy armour hive guards already

it was so funny firing one m90 shot at them and obliterating both of their tiny arms

[trim breach]

Honestly

Breakthrough on Diff 10 Bug Spread Democracy mission is HILARIOUS

Just stand at the flag and bonk things to death

[ionic holly]

I should get back to working up the medals to get to the breakthrough

[steady flame]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/helldivers2/s/oHJrsBoxxl

[weary granite]

I miss the Heavy Armor Hive Guards man

[cobalt patrol]

I watched osmeone try that with a bug breach, follwoed by bailing out and running away as their mech exploded

[ionic holly]

So how are folk running the bullet storm? im not against it, i just dont think its for me since i already tend to run a maxi

[verbal summit]

Im hinking

Anyone wanna farm sc?

I'm bum maxxing cus canvas is hacked.

[glacial light]

Learn light pen weak spots, Hold LMB, grofit.
I've been using the speed armor and taking advantage of the extra slide speed and spamming slide into dive like it's Warframe while bulletstorm remains laser precise during the sliding.

Staying mobile is imo what separates the bulletstorm from the maxigun even if they have similar use cases of no reload bullethose MG

Also backpack slot freed and there's plenty of combos, supply pack with giga nades for AT, movement packs for more speed, rover to cover you

[ionic holly]

I mostly use light pen weapons so i know the spots
Ill give it a try or two but iunno, it might just not be for me, which is perfectly fine

[tight zephyr]

Last night I learned that the Adjudicator is really good once you get that recoil under control.

[stark ether]

me oh this is a little small let me full screen it : oh thanks discord

[steep hound]

How it's so easy to do??

[steep hound]

TRUE FACTS

[cobalt patrol]

Because a d10 spore breach is actually pretty hard?

[steep hound]

So much more than 9? I did it there

[cobalt patrol]

shrugs who knows, maybe their mech was already damaged

cmaybve they got unlucxky

[odd arch]

I wouldn't be surprised if it were something like a bug unburrowed inside their mech and slashed all damage zones at once or smth

[glacial light]

So a funny thing happened and I've had a mech rag doll for the first time while I was in it. I was in a breakthrough just meleeing a vox engine and it exploded I didn't get away so it just ragdolled my mech then my mech exploded

[cobalt patrol]

also the legs still do take damage even when broken

[unreal merlin]

Bulletstorm is a great supplement for a loadout that already has lots of AT or other utility, you can easily justify using it as your "primary" weapon similar to how the Stalwart can be

As fun as it can be to just hold the trigger and sweep across a crowd, if you have a little discipline and do small bursts you can efficiently keep control over flankers (hunters, etc) and beam down weakspots (devastator heads) for a very long uptime. And as soon as you run out of (or even low) one gun, you pick up the next. It's easy to come up on a patrol/breach/outpost and drop a fresh hellpod + your current gun for ~900 bullets to hose things with

[dark plover]

An absolute monster on squids too. Had a lot of fun running it with commando. Shred flesh mobs, voteless, and ablative plating ridiculously fast.

[glacial light]

Its my goto for squids and bugs

[dark plover]

Still praying for some more utility pod boosters that don't need to be dropped next to enemies and don't TK. Some sort of shield generator, seeker grenade spawner, or AoE buff would go so crazy.

[glacial light]

Shield hellpods would go wild for hellbombs

[knotty folio]

Bouncy Hellpods

[glacial light]

Or, hellpod mine layer booster

[knotty folio]

Incredibly unhelpful, but very funny as well

[glacial light]

Cluster hellpods

[knotty folio]

Homing Hellpods could actually be pretty interesting

They target the largest entity in the area

[glacial light]

Thats just playing pubs at like diff 5 but youre the target

[knotty folio]

You can dodge a beacon though

[glacial light]

Oh I was thinking reinforcement hellpods

[knotty folio]

Oh, yeah, much like those

For a slightly more serious suggestion, a big hellpod craters booster could be interesting

Call one down and it leaves a big enough hole to use for cover

[dark plover]

Haha jumbo pod would be super fun

[knotty folio]

Or a booster that gives hellpods deployable wing walls like the GL Emplacement

[glacial light]

Its a pipedream but i'd love SEAF pod

[dark plover]

Maybe a booster that makes all pods drop with a grenade box? It'd be strong but it needs to be.

[knotty folio]

I had been considering ammo/grenade boxes but I really don't think boosters that give ammo are ever healthy for the game

Too universally-applicable

[dark plover]

Devaluing resupplies definitely has consequences. Though resupply backpack is already ridiculous. I do like the NPC idea- Seaf soldier or a short lived guard dog that leash around the pod would be fun.

[glacial light]

Basically resupply pod

[knotty folio]

I want a deployable dog hive as a green stratagem

[glacial light]

Arc orbital and some sort of swarm hive like seekers or dogs is my dream

[dark plover]

They would HAVE to name it the Dog House

[glacial light]

And it'd be fun if it was like 1 of every dog

[knotty folio]

Maybe not arc dog

[graceful bluff]

Definitely the arc dog

[unreal merlin]

Homing hellpods would be genuinely awesome for blue loadouts

[verbal summit]

Homing hellpods but it homes for the nearest living thing from the beacon (so most of the time it's you)

[knotty folio]

I was thinking same as Orbital Railcannon, i.e. targets the largest entity within a certain range. So if there's a Charger in the vicinity you're fine, but watch out using it near a mech :P

[unreal merlin]

I still think railcannon deserves a buff in the form of 2 charges that replenish independently

So if you REALLY NEED TO you can drop two in one fight but both charges are on full cooldown. Otherwise you could drop just one to make a fight more manageable and then next fight still have one charge (while the first one is halfway through cooldown)

[karmic prawn]

Each hellpod having a seeker grenade or two pop out and fly off to seek out things to explode on would be very funny

Beehive

[split parcel]

I can be trusted with Gas Hellpod