Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[south temple]

you just kinda spray at them with med pen and they disappear like any other bug

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah. I'm looking forward to this, personally

[south temple]

i’m a big fan of enemies requiring more complex tactics to take out (though “move to the side a bit” hardly takes a genius to pull off)

[blissful sparrow]

my favorite hiveguard thing was always to shoot each of their legs off one by one and then let them crawl after me
only downside is that they can still call in bug breaches while disarmed

[warped cradle]

What time is the warbond out?

[south temple]

90 minutes i think

[stone bridge]

yup

[south temple]

can’t wait for some real lancer gaming hours

if the breakthrough is mid im gonna be so sad

[graceful bluff]

Wait I just realized

Since basically every enemy of note got its durable damage increased, it's a massive nerf to sentry durability

[steep hound]

idk how i feel about the Tanks having their weakspot go from Medium to Heavy

[stone bridge]

can't really say its "massive" when we have no numbers or data yet

[steep hound]

i get the logic behind this one but i do think that having Tanks be able to be killed by Medium weaponry if you could pull off the flank move was good

i think increasing the HP without increasing the armor would've been fine

[cobalt patrol]

It's the tank body weakspot

not the turret vent

[steep hound]

oh wait was i just misunderstanding which section of the tank they meant

is this not the back vent

[south temple]

the two vents on the back?

[cobalt patrol]

This is the vents that are down by the treads

[steep hound]

ah

[cobalt patrol]

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Annihilator_Tank#/media/File:Annihilator_Engine_Bay_Rear.png

[graceful bluff]

ugh they even broke the sdk itself this time so it's gonna take even longer to fix mods

[royal lantern]

The durable damage increases are all to melee damage, which I find to be much less of a problem for the exo since it's relatively fast and things that get close to you are generally priority targets anyway

I'm more worried about the %50 bonus to acid damage against it

The exos were already more or less fine against the bugs so I think the durable damage increases/the acid damage increase balance out the health increase to keep them basically where they were there

I think the exos will be fairly significantly better against bots and squids though

I would like AH to stop buffing durable damage across the board when they buff only one/introduce one new durable stratagem though, since it always seems like they're them a patch behind buffing everything else back to the previous baseline

[cobalt patrol]

This is an incredibly fucking funny bug

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1sxx9db/mech_shadow/

The mech shadows show what appears to be the strategem launcher

[south temple]

no…

that’s actually hysterical

[cobalt patrol]

apparently the model has always been there, just turned off

[odd arch]

the phantom pain

[royal lantern]

Yeah, it's actually modelled on the exosuit for the board game too

[south temple]

soon™

[royal lantern]

I think at this point it's pretty clear that AH either can't make it work for some reason or, unfortunately, have decided that it doesn't fit their balancing vision for exos in HD2

Because they have been sitting on it for years now

[south temple]

i don’t need a stratagem launcher but i do need them to add a booster seat

you should be able to take your friends for a ride :)

[odd arch]

the monkey paw curls: firemoth

[south temple]

it’s coal…

[cobalt patrol]

The booster seat has been installed, but it's a lso a catapult

so you can sacrifice your friend to use them as a democractic missile

also <@&1206091872716595200> Warbond out, restart your game if you don't see it

[south temple]

perfect

[cobalt patrol]

First page has the bulletstorm and new smg

second page has the lumberer

and fourth page has the breakthrough

which is shown beating upa charger with it'

it's shield

The lumberer also is shown headshotting a charger with it's cannon

[south temple]

new SMG looks fucking SICK

50 rounds medium pen

[trail nymph]

What’s in the superstore

[south temple]

nothing yet it seems

[cobalt patrol]

SMG customaziton otpions

bulletstorm appears to be lgiht armor pen, so it's a disposable stalwart, with a 67? (So probalby 90 without upgrades) cooldown

[strange vine]

Darn was hoping for med pen, but that's fine

Brrt

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i suspect disposable MG with that shorta cooldown would be a bit too good

My team has a dream

[heady halo]

lmao at un-invaulnrabling the devs shield as soon as they plan to release a dev style shield for players that should be invaulnrable too

[cobalt patrol]

300 rounds loaded, lazer accurate

OH NO

[south temple]

new armor makes you real fast

i may also just be used to heavy armor

[cobalt patrol]

And yo uget double bulletstorms per call in

[stone bridge]

holy fuck the new passive makes you go

this might be a bit too much lmao

[south temple]

yeah i wasn't expecting much but you're REALLY quick

[cobalt patrol]

Otoh new spore units are also crazy fast

[south temple]

i'm falling in love with the SMG i think

fills the stalwart shaped hole in my primary slot while being drippier than the lib carbine

[cobalt patrol]

It feels like it's a bot weapon to me

[supple siren]

I kind of don't understand the new MG

[cobalt patrol]

very acucrate, low mag

the bulletstorm is legit though

[supple siren]

Hhhow

Are 300 bullets in there

[cobalt patrol]

Super earth packing technology

slaps super destoryer this baby can hold so many frozen corpses to be!

[supple siren]

No I mean like is that the benefit

Over just having a stalwart

[cobalt patrol]

300 bullets, you get two per call in, it's very accurate and has very little recoil, and it's call in is fast as hell

[supple siren]

Hmm ok

[cobalt patrol]

and no reload on those 300 bullets

it's a 67s cooldowown on the call in with all upgrades

[supple siren]

So they juiced the hell out of it, makes sense

[cobalt patrol]

and like seriously, it is accurate

[strange vine]

Whats the rpm

[cobalt patrol]

Uh

Fast.

It doesnt have a selecatable one

so i dont know

[south temple]

yeah i put that shit on burst fire and all the troopers disappear

[rotund marten]

OK I'll have to grind some SCs

[cobalt patrol]

I was trying it on bugs, i did not like it

[rotund marten]

I am a bit behind on my warbond progression

I want that new armour though

[south temple]

yeah i don’t know if it’s a very good bug weapon

[cobalt patrol]

It runs out too fast

but the accuracy and burst fire feel like it'll do well on bots

good for headshots and blitzing troopers

Bulletstorm as said is seriousyl legit

[south temple]

i’m really hoping some of the leaks are true vis-a-vis this warbond’s superstore drops

i heard rumors of a laser weapon of some kind

[strange vine]

It was the same with the knight tbh, on burst fire its really accurate and one burst headshots devastators

[cobalt patrol]

Spore buggles are terrifyingly fast

[split parcel]

STERILIZER BUFFS

[strange vine]

The breacher shield bash apparently does a fuckload of damage

[cobalt patrol]

It sure looks like it from the tutorial vid it has attached

People are being chalanged by the ne spore bugs

and they keep bailing >.>

[split parcel]

AUGH im so excited to get home and try everything out but i have an interview to prepare for T_T

[cobalt patrol]

lol

killed my self byu getting ragdolled by a 500kg explosion

and tumbling into a bug nest

[stone bridge]

damn these spore bugs are bloody zippy

i kinda love it

[cobalt patrol]

I'm finding creamtor with heavy inflammable amror works rpetty well

[stone bridge]

I imagine a high CC Loadout of flamer/gas dog would be brilliant too

[cobalt patrol]

I tried gas dog

it was... pretty bad tbh

It flies off and cant really keep up with tehm zooming

Gas Mines or Gas Strike seem much better as the cc options

[stone bridge]

Hmm

Probably better to take the gun dog for raw killing power then

[odd arch]

gas dog works well when it flying off is part of the plan

but it's a specific dog

like if you approach a base to clear it'll fly off ahead of you and lace the shit of all the random dudes before they can get on you or call reinforcements

not nearly as useful when the dudes are coming in large groups from a known direction

[stone bridge]

No it's equally as good then

It's just the sheer speed of these new spore lads that's the issue

[odd arch]

I mean compared to other gas sources

[split parcel]

Im considering sterilizer + hot dog

[stone bridge]

I dunno how much Sterilizer stonks are up but I hope it's a lot

[odd arch]

has it been changed recently?

[stone bridge]

Literally this patch, yes

[odd arch]

hell yeah

me and the 3 other sterilizer fans rise up

[steep hound]

oh this also hadn't occurred to me as a reason why Heavy Hive Guards seems kinda fucked l mao

[steep hound]

i'm one of them

it's not a huge buff but the gas in general also does a 25% slow to enemies now

[odd arch]

devs actually hate players
I will not take the bait. bait is the mind-killer.

[short rune]

Bugdivers...

That person has many reasons to think that right now, being angry they made bugs a tiny bit harder is not one of them

[odd arch]

I think the devs are bumbling around completely in the dark for a very long time, completely undecided as to what game they want to make, what game they should make, and to which side should they lean

they're completely clueless

but none of that is them being mean lmao

they got jumpscared by mass success of this game and are still reeling

[short rune]

I personally find the focus on premium warbonds and them lobotomising AI problematic

[odd arch]

oh sure

but I prefer to tackle the balance team and monetization team as separate subjects

for now

[short rune]

Thats very fair

Then I dislike them lobotomising AI

[south temple]

it does kinda feel like there are two or three competing visions all influencing different aspects of the game

[odd arch]

the game is still perfectly playable with like two warbonds which you'll have scrounged up as a new player by the time you get comfortable with difficulties that might gear check you

[steep hound]

i just want them to discount the older warbonds

[odd arch]

but there's a vision of a time when it's no longer true on the horizon

[short rune]

I still think they may want to add general warbonds every year. Like helldivers mobilise

[steep hound]

or that

[short rune]

For the rest I'm fine with premium.

[odd arch]

though I admit I don't know how the general playerbase feels about this because I'm channeling my autism into this game

[short rune]

But right now my only motivation to play is farming super credits so I have them when the thing comes out so I can use the new items to farm super credits for the next premium warbond

[dusty spruce]

Yeah, I agree that at least another free warbond (even just a 5-page one or something) would do a lot to quiet some of the rage that is pervasive in the community.

[steep hound]

i'm a whale for this game anyway i just be buying SCs when a new warbond drops

but for new players especially there really needs to be something to make the quantity of stuff that now exists less intimidating and less expensive

[short rune]

I buy SC from time to time when the super store rotation has something I like.

But I wish there was more that kept me playing

[steep hound]

i just drop 16 quid on the 2100 SC bundle to buy the warbond, the new super store stuff and then buy one or two of the existing super store sets

i'm fairly close to having worked thru the backlog of stuff this way

[odd arch]

I'm comically behind

I think I have like a fourth of the warbonds

[short rune]

I still haven't bought like the ones after redacted

I recently got my hands on Cobras

[steep hound]

Pythons you mean

[short rune]

Sneks 2

[steep hound]

ye

it's Alright

[short rune]

I wanted the chainsaw

[steep hound]

it's one of the weaker ones though

[steep hound]

chainsaw is cool to use but so impractical but that might have changed with this buff

[short rune]

My most used one is probably still Dust Devils and Martyrs

[steep hound]

I'd probably put Servants on the lower end too

[short rune]

The Ultimatum is really handy

[steep hound]

oh true true

i was forgetting the pocket nuke

[short rune]

And I find the super store armour cool. Bonus is useless of course

[steep hound]

i don't tend to use it a lot personally but it does have to go up in my estimation for it

[short rune]

Like. Oh wow. A single grenade in your pocket explodes

[odd arch]

all I need is the warp pack
so long as I have warp pack, I'll manage

[steep hound]

Servants is like
Ultimatum? Great utility
Portable Hellbomb? Great utility
Seeker Grenades? Good but not crazy
Double-Edge Sickle? You need fireproof armor from somewhere else really
The armors? Meh

[short rune]

Double sickle is really fun when you hipfire it in salamander armour

[rotund marten]

I am three warbonds away from having everything without buying SC, minus some superstore stuff

[steep hound]

oh i love Double-Edge

but like it's kind of worthless if you don't have fireproof armor lol

[rotund marten]

probably shouldn't have left Chemical Agents and Freedom's Flame this long but they didn't grab my attention

[short rune]

But for main weapons I'm currently using the coyote.

Would use it even if it wasnt meta

[steep hound]

Dust Devils is probably roundly one of the best

Solo Silo? Coyote? Desert Stormer armor passive? It's Just Good Baby

[short rune]

We dont talk about the harpoon Lol

[tall stone]

The Harpoon is fine. It's hard CC.

[dusty spruce]

The harpoon is useful. Just not the greatest thing ever

[steep hound]

speak for yourself Speargun fucks

I do need a Supply Pack for it tho

[short rune]

I havent found a good use for it yet.

It's damage plus a little toxins

[rotund marten]

desert stormer is kind of mid, but the Solo Silo is great

Solo Silo/Portabomb/Leveller best bot loadout

[steep hound]

the Coyote, Armor Passive and Solo Silo are like the big great items there and then Speargun and Expendable Napalm are good

[dusty spruce]

It kicks ass vs the bugs in my experience, especially back in the day of Oshaune. Combo of hard cc against packed swarms and hole closing potential

[rotund marten]

dying irrelevant, I just call in more tactical nuclear weapons

[steep hound]

slap a Supply Pack on it, you have a no-charge Railgun that confuses enemies

also good stealth gun as iirc it does not actually make much noise with its firing

plus gassed enemies don't alert other enemies to your presence

[odd arch]

love me speargun

[short rune]

Thats true I guess. Havent played it since they overhauled stealth

[odd arch]

I find I can get so much value out of it that I don't even need a supply pack with it

[steep hound]

it's one of those supports that doesn't necessarily excel at any one given role but if you run Supply Pack with it it's basically a really really good Primary lol

[steep hound]

i can definitely see how you would but me personally if i have the Speargun i want to be harpooning everything in my sight

[short rune]

I still havent found a support weapon I would main. I often bring the AMR or commando along.

[steep hound]

i dont really "main" weapons

i have builds for literally just about every weapon

[odd arch]

my most used support weapon is definitely the laser cannon

but less so these days with how the game changed

[short rune]

Laser cannon is so good

[steep hound]

LC is ol' reliable

[tall stone]

Autocannon is still pretty stonks.

[steep hound]

LC and Autocannon are the good all-rounders

[short rune]

I want a beltfed autocannon

[steep hound]

autoautocannon

tbf given that they decreased the reload time of the Autocannon it's probably not so far off now lol

havent played w/ it since then but iirc they shaved like a solid 2 seconds off it

[short rune]

To be fair. I also want a 20mm AMR

Give me a Lahti

[steep hound]

belt-fed Ultimatum

[short rune]

You want to crash the game?

[steep hound]

i want to crash the servers

[short rune]

Hehe

Hit enemies so hard arrowhead can feel it

[steep hound]

I want JOEL to experience psychic backlash

[short rune]

Ejects them right out of neural interface chair

I would forgo my support weapon if I could get more ultimatum rounds

Panzerfaust is all I need

[keen zinc]

@rotund marten is the patch good

[rotund marten]

Idunno haven't played it yet

Going to do the dishes and go to the gym and then we'll see what it's about

[warped cradle]

Are spore bugs acting odd to anyone else?

Like they are moving way too fast

[short rune]

You probably get the best mileage out of using mechs against automaton tanks.

[stone bridge]

The spore detonation drastically speeds up any spore bug that goes through the gas

It's a feature

[warped cradle]

That would explain it

[stone bridge]

||Spore BTs|| also put it down

[tall stone]

Seems like CC is the name of the game for Spore Bugs.

[steep hound]

Spore what's?

oh

OH

ohhhhhhhhh

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[short rune]

Spre clearly.

[steep hound]

vibes

[tight zephyr]

Maybe I’ll test out the Cremator on the new bugs.

[steep hound]

haven't tried Cremator on Bugs yet but in general Cremator is pretty lit haha

[warped cradle]

Tbh the hive guards feel weaker now if anything

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, seriously, Hive guards are just... easy

[tall stone]

Can you still hitstun them with the blitzer? If yes, it does not change my bug strategy at all.

[warped cradle]

They hunker down when you start shooting at them so it's real easy to flank them, they're gone in like 4 hits from the peacemaker

[cobalt patrol]

YOu can send a Purifer charge shot right under them and they explode

hell i was jsut bulletsotmring them out of existence

[cobalt patrol]

Again, ahve you actually played with this change?

Or are you just complaining?

[tall stone]

Ah, so you can still do the good ole Eruptor kill.

[steep hound]

how dare you expect me to play this game before i complain incessantly about it

(no)

i just found the video title funny on this one though

[cobalt patrol]

Then for fucks sake, please stop complaining aobut it.

[steep hound]

alright chill

[cobalt patrol]

(Because we cannot tell the difference between kept complaining and oh this was funny)

[steep hound]

I've said several things between me complaining and me posting that thumbnail that weren't complaining!

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah. You can very easily rip them apart before they even get to hunker

[quartz cloak]

So, how's the update, and how accurate is the doomposting?

[steep hound]

look to balance things out I do like that Heavy Devs shields break now

good change

not one that i actually think was altogether necessary but i do think it makes more sense than them having completely indestructible shields

[short rune]

I feel like they keep nerfing more than buffing.

[tall stone]

As a general rule, the doomposting is never accurate.

[rotund marten]

Apparently the new guns wreck pretty hard

[keen zinc]

Can someone link the patch notes

[steep hound]

i don't know how much muffing Arrowhead is doing and I'm not sure I wish to know

[steep hound]

gimme a min

[tall stone]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/541136853162525650

[steep hound]

never mind Mourge's got you

[short rune]

Oops. I forwarded the header image

[cobalt patrol]

It's competely inaccurate

People are just very dumb.

[steep hound]

my only real concern was the Hive Guard armor thing everything else seems fine

[quartz cloak]

Got it, so what I should have expected.

[short rune]

A lot of helldivers players tend to be really toxic when the game is not a good state.

[quartz cloak]

I might reinstall the game honestly, I just got too frustrated with the playerbase

[cobalt patrol]

Hive Guards are easy to rip apart, hoenstly easier than tehy were previously

[steep hound]

I'm cautiously eyeing that Trooper gun durable damage increase from 6 to 8

[tall stone]

Oh wow, the Hive Guard complaint is such a nothingburger.

Decreased armor on body and claws from Light to Unarmored (2 to 1)

Decreased health on body from 500 to 375```

[cobalt patrol]

as they lost all their body armor (doubling the damage that light weapons do to them)

and lost a bunch of body health

[odd arch]

also hive guards kinda just stand there menacingly

[short rune]

Bugdivers

[cobalt patrol]

so any decent aim just... mulches the poor fucks

[odd arch]

they don't interfere with your mission in any way other than being a red pip on your map

[steep hound]

because i'm not sure if it really is going to make Not Much Difference or if the quantity of bullets fired by massed troopers is going to make that durable damage hurt vehicles hard

but we'll see

[cobalt patrol]

And explosive weapons like the Purifier tear them apart

[tall stone]

Gas also kills 'em quick looking at this.

And like, you should be bringing gas to bugs anyways. 😛

[cobalt patrol]

And fire. The creamtor will liquify them as usual.

[quartz cloak]

...Which is why the community is livid, I imagine

[cobalt patrol]

Possible that Bastion tank needs some love, but i havnet dived itn oteh bot front too much and dont use vehicles much

[steep hound]

my main issue with it is stuff like the MG-43 Machine Gun, Machine Gun/Gatling Sentries and even the Patriot Exosuit's Gatling Gun I really think are much nicer to use if I can spray-and-pray them into hordes of bugs with reliability

I don't really want to precision aim or flank with those for Hive Guards

[cobalt patrol]

You can just take the eruptor and aim under them!

[steep hound]

Maxigun too

[odd arch]

you can just walk past hive guards and give them a kiss on the forehead and they will not move from their favourite hill to die on to intercept you

and I mean walk, not run

[cobalt patrol]

It takes .5 seconds to aim slightyl higher thean their head and shoot their tail.

[steep hound]

it might not feel so bad in practise

[quartz cloak]

Okay, I can understand not wanting to engage with Explosive Meta but that's a me thing

[cobalt patrol]

you know, teh tail they Raise above the shield when they bunker down

[steep hound]

.5 seconds is a lot depending on how much other shit there is

[quartz cloak]

(They still haven't nerfed the crossbow, right)

[steep hound]

naw

Xbow remains king

[cobalt patrol]

.5 seconds is me being exapstered and sartcastic. it takes less than that.

Like if you're that bothered, lob a fucking gas grenade at them

[quartz cloak]

Yeah, 375 body damage is
Like

[steep hound]

i take your point but you really butchered exasperated here

[quartz cloak]

These days what, 5 AR shots?

[tall stone]

You could sneeze on 'em.

[keen zinc]

This is the one gripe I have with the things people here are saying

[cobalt patrol]

Like seriously, they were noticably less hard to kill for me in the missions i've done

[keen zinc]

"just take Eruptor/Xbow" is not a good thing to say

[odd arch]

really the only practical consideration I see from this is that unattended gun sentries will not be self sufficient

[cobalt patrol]

I didn't use eruptor or xbow.

[keen zinc]

Just in general that's not a good answer

[steep hound]

I think the Maxigun is getting a bit shit on here given the whole "you are stationary" bit

[keen zinc]

I like the change

[tall stone]

I'd say just take the blitzer, gas, any grenade, most heavy weapons.

[keen zinc]

That's not a good response

[cobalt patrol]

Which is fine, MG sentry still butchers everything else and it's a suepr cheap distraction

[keen zinc]

It's reductive

[tall stone]

Just give them a ring on the head and move a bit.

[steep hound]

I mean it won't butcher a Charger...

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, bulletstorm alone rips them apart and that's lgiht armor pen

[cobalt patrol]

Sure, but the charger charges it instead of you

and then you blow the guts out of the charger.

[keen zinc]

I'm sad my Deadeye won't bully them anymore but I can aim so I'll adjust

[steep hound]

aye fair point

[cobalt patrol]

or you priorotize the charger while the mg clears the chaff.

That's why i take MG turret on bugs. it's a cheap disposable distraction

[steep hound]

I'm going to miss bullying them with the Slugger too

[odd arch]

the maxigun has the benefit of manual aim so even if you don't hit their fleshy parts by accident you can correct without much fuss

[cobalt patrol]

either: it kills a bunch of chaff for me

[tall stone]

You can use a MG turret in basically every engagement.

[cobalt patrol]

or: It soaks up damage

eitehr way i win.

[steep hound]

this does slightly fuck my Slugger/Stalwart build

[cobalt patrol]

SLugger should still butcher Hive guards

since you can place shots inbetween the armor plating and rip the arm off

and again, they literally expose their tail for y ou

[keen zinc]

Eh more the bullying than butchering

[steep hound]

yeah you right but still i liked being able to just

[cobalt patrol]

and are even squishier.

[keen zinc]

I'm not complaining about difficulty

[steep hound]

aim straight at the fucker's head lol

[keen zinc]

Just being able to hard bully them

[odd arch]

I use the gun turrets to keep me on my toes

[keen zinc]

Was funny

[odd arch]

the turret keeps me aware of how fleeting life is and to always consider other guns on the battlefield

[keen zinc]

I'm looking forward to playing against them

[steep hound]

the Patriot's Gatling Gun strikes me as something that is going to be pretty hard to aim precisely at a Hiveguard without wasting ammo

[cobalt patrol]

Go step on them.

I'm not even kidding

they hunker down they do nothing, so... walk over and squash them with a stomp

[rotund marten]

I appreciate incentivising light pen over med pen a bit more but I don't think it matters much compared to the colossal existing incentive to spam the fuck out of explosives rather than using either

and I say this as a GL enjoyer

[steep hound]

a fair point

[odd arch]

I miss pre-buff GL

I really liked it

now it's too good and I feel dirty holding it

[keen zinc]

They nerfed it back

It's back to being med pen

[odd arch]

oh

nice

[keen zinc]

You can use your baby again

[rotund marten]

Now it's merely A tier rather than S+

[keen zinc]

Honestly this makes me want to bring the Tenderizer against bugs more

Since it'll kill Hive Guards in a single burst

[odd arch]

on a similar note I would use the crossbow so hard if it were purely a stealth and mayhem trollage weapon

but it's an everything weapon

I don't like everything weapons

[rotund marten]

I might pull my beloved censor back out

I didn't run it into bugs because stealth is of minimal use but it's fun as hell everywhere

[cobalt patrol]

And the belt fed GL kept Heavy pen iirc

so there's reasons to take both

[keen zinc]

The heavy bolterrrr

Ye it did

[cobalt patrol]

Which is nice, because preivousyl it ws just "The grenade launcher + supply paack invalidates so many loadouts"

[rotund marten]

It's still incredibly strong, just not completely braindead

[cobalt patrol]

Yag

Yah*

[rotund marten]

I admittedly prefer it without the supply pack

[cobalt patrol]

Not like the game is actually that hard on D10 anyway

[rotund marten]

but I'm trying to run more nonexplosive guns with the exception of grenade pistol for fabs

[keen zinc]

Depends a lot on what the game decides to throw at you

[rotund marten]

since they feel a bit cheap

[cobalt patrol]

The the bug front experience is currently a bit cooked because people keep leaving misisons

[steady flame]

It's hard for me at least.

The Zombie Penguin (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Not like the game is actually that hard on D10 anyway

[rotund marten]

I feel that at this stage some of the ever present complaining is kayfabe

[cobalt patrol]

I actively get bored on anything that isnt at least D8

So.. i may in fact be an outlier skillwise

[steady flame]

But erm, are the exo buffs any good?

[cobalt patrol]

Havent tried yet, saw folks doing work with the Lumberer.

Breacher reproetdly is very nasty with it's melee

[keen zinc]

You are the hardcore player AH apparently hates according to the Reddit

[rotund marten]

I remember cyberstan, everyone was complaining about the vox engines but it was genuinely fun to go full scorched earth as a 4 stack to beat them on 10s

[keen zinc]

How's the pee pistol?

[cobalt patrol]

The rocekt pistol? havent tired it yet

[keen zinc]

Yeah the P-33

[cobalt patrol]

My real issue on cyberstand was the hoards of players who thoguht they belogjned on d10 and could not tango with it at all >.>

[steep hound]

I wish they spawned a little less is all lol

[cobalt patrol]

Genrally d10 is eaasy enoguh ic an carry people, esp on the bot front

[steep hound]

I almost never play 10 tho

[cobalt patrol]

but Cyberstan was actaully a challenge to the point of not being able to carry

[steep hound]

I tend to stick 7-8

[keen zinc]

CyDurstan was fun

[cobalt patrol]

Anad there were so many idiots who had no idea what they were doing, or were justh idseosuly underleveld and didn't haveanywhere near the breadth of strategemes and ship uprades

[odd arch]

I can't tell if I carry bot missions because bot is my favourite front so I have the most practice, or because players are exceptionally averse to learning bot tactics

[keen zinc]

Bringing 3 anti super heavy strats and a flex

Blowing up shit constantly

[steep hound]

Part of my issue is that i like using every weapon so i have 5000 builds which means i never have the confidence in a build to take it to a higher diff bcs i will have months betweeb using it lol

[keen zinc]

It's just one of those days

[odd arch]

I've had so many bot missions where I exchanged my entire team

[cobalt patrol]

Yes,

[odd arch]

sometimes more than once

[cobalt patrol]

Also i think bots are genuinelky the easiest overall, if you knwo what you're doing

they're very vulnerable to force multiplier tactics, havcing a decent aim, etc

[odd arch]

yeah

[rotund marten]

I have always thought bugs, at least with a decent team

[keen zinc]

Yeah

[steady flame]

..Maybe my team carries me on D10s. :/

[cobalt patrol]

Right, but i play all randos basically

[keen zinc]

Teams that fight together and reinforce quickly

[steep hound]

I think... Illuminate > Bots > Bugs personally

[keen zinc]

Bots lose hard to that

[cobalt patrol]

And Bugs are a lot messier with randos

[steady flame]

But, better question than my musing, how do I improve?

[cobalt patrol]

since you get a lot of dumbshits doing thingsl ike throwing napalm onto heafvy bases

[steep hound]

But Cyborgs and the Incendiary Corps are the ones i struggle most with

[rotund marten]

I remember when Amko, Nalek, Ghost and I took a break from 10 Cyberstan to do D10 bugs and we were basically standing around practically afk firing into breaches

because the pressure was so much less

[odd arch]

bots come in two extremes
either you play into their hand and they put you in a blender or you don't and you spend the entire match breaking their ankles at every step

bugs have a baseline level of Overwhelming You that you can only really fight fairly

[steep hound]

Look im clearing out the enemies!

[rotund marten]

Hopefully fast bugs will make them spooky again

[keen zinc]

Hey that's my patriotic Lady Liberty given right

[cobalt patrol]

The spore bugs are pretty spooky.

[odd arch]

squids.......... squids definitely exist

[cobalt patrol]

They are fast

Like i actually went b ack to heavy armor because they're that fast that it was better to ahve the tank

Fire and gas seem like the gotos, as does having a gun dog (Gas dog was pretty bad)

[warped cradle]

I can't explain the primal fear I felt seeing the spore titan for the first time

[cobalt patrol]

Mg turret still very useful

[steady flame]

..How do you avoid playing their hand, BTW?

Alder (it/its) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) bots come in two extremes
either you play into their hand and they put you in a blender or you don't…

[rotund marten]

I need to grind 750 SC to get the new warbond, I really want super fast light armour

[cobalt patrol]

Flank them, don't let them flank you

[odd arch]

yeah

[steep hound]

Are they new today?

[odd arch]

bots will pin you down in one place with call ins and patrols

[cobalt patrol]

That is the simplest answer to bots. They fold very hard to being flanked, but are deadly if they flank you

[rotund marten]

when in doubt dump high ex on base and run

[odd arch]

if you agree to stay in one place you can't outfight them

[steady flame]

Mhm. So light infantry tactics.

[steep hound]

the only way I've found of doing this is my sniper builds lol

[rotund marten]

Bugs you genuinely can just facecheck

at least with 3-4

[cobalt patrol]

One of my favorite tricks with bots is to bring the ROcket Sentry and the Bubble shield.

[steep hound]

Hover Pack myself onto a high perch, shoot as many bots as possible at extended range, if they get too close throw down a shield bubble grenade

[cobalt patrol]

drop the rocket sentry, drop a bubble shield over it

[odd arch]

the main problem with fighting bots fairly is they will accumulate a ball of heavy units faster than you can resupply AT weapons

[cobalt patrol]

and ethen: If i'm hodling an area/objective, stay in the bubble, combined arms it. Using the RR to nuke big heavies, and my gun to take out anything that gets within the Rocket sentries shutdown range.

(Rocket sentry has a minimum safe distance it'll shoot at)

[odd arch]

eventually the ball starts moving your way and you realize you're out

[steep hound]

one of my fave memories is an early day one (before the Hover Pack and Bubble Grenades even existed) where I managed to get myself high up and was providing cover fire for three randos who had all split up individually

[cobalt patrol]

If i'm not holding a point, i just... run the fuck away and do something else.

And the rocket sentry reaps a bloody toll and the bots are too busy going OMG GLOWY BUBBLE FIRING RAWKETS KILL

WHY BULLETS NOT DO ANYTHINGF HELP

COMMUNISM HAS FAILED US

[odd arch]

another reason I really like bots is that I generally don't need to bring serious AT

if I kill troopers there's no call-in and the ambient spawn heavies die or lose weapons to whatever I just dropped on their base

[tight zephyr]

I like to bring AT in case of hulk.

[odd arch]

I mean heavier AT

hulks die to my humble laser cannon

[tight zephyr]

“Peter… the Factory Strider is here.”

[steep hound]

I always have some sort of AT solution

but like

not necessarily in the form of a support weapon

[tight zephyr]

I’ve been taking giga grenades as a pocket “fuck off weirdo” hulk solution.

[steep hound]

if i dont have a backpack I bring a Portable Hellbomb

[odd arch]

oh and hulks are gassable

[steep hound]

if I do have a backpack I bring a Solo Silo

[steep hound]

I haven't tried them yet

oh doing away with super store rotation is also good

...warbond Super Store lineup that's just an armor set? what year is it

[odd arch]

my favourite way to tackle objectives in bot bases is to drop a gas mine deployer as if it were a barrage but that has a conditional that no one else from my team can be eyeing the same objective

or they will attempt to strangle me, understandably

[cobalt patrol]

Without knowing where you'er struggling...

B asics would be: AIming is actually important in this game. Knowing when to just free fire vs third person vs first person, and how your weapon behaves in each mode is a big deal.
Bring loadouts that match what you're doing. You should have an answer for everything ("My teamates need to cover me" is a valid answer, but only with people you trust). Like if there's Dragonroaches... you need a way to kill those. You have a primary, a secondary, a grenade, an armor set, and 4 strats. These should be syngeristic.

As an example, my very basic generically good into anything setup is something like Purifier/Deadeye/Sweeper/Censor, Gas Grenades, Extra Padding medium armor, Talon. This gives me a big amoutn of survaiblity (Heavy armor durability with medium armor mobility), a powerful CC in a can that also blows fabs/bug holes, a backup gun that can headshot anything and also has medium pen (The talon), and primaries that have a lot of stagger/oomf making them good at sweeping hoards, or have such high damage/accuracy tthey're very effective

And then i build out from there. Squids? If it's mindless masses, i'll switch the armor to light inflammable, grab the cremator, grab eagle strafe, grab a mg turret, and probably a gas strike. Apprioators? I'll bring the autocannon, gattling barrage, mg turret and strafe. Bugs? I bring gas strikes and mg turrets, and probably the RR , and then put myself on charger and bt swatting duty for my team. Bots? I bring the Shield gen and the Rocket turret with the RR, and focuso n taking out heavies for the team and shooting down gunships, or acting as a roamer and killing bases from hundreds ofm eters away

Cyborgs? i switch out the gas grenade for the firecracker grenades (I often do this on normal bots too, those things are vicious at melting devastors)

[steep hound]

still need to figure out what I'm gonna do with the new Exo Suits because i dont typically make builds around Exosuits so much as I just bring them to certain mission types

(I still wish the new armors had some sort of passive benefit for using Exosuits)

[strange vine]

its railgun-tier damage, amazing CC because of gas, can stagger heavy enemies like bile titans, and can close spawners

[cobalt patrol]

Other than that, it's also just being aggressive with stimming, making sure everyone brings the good boosters (Health, Ex Infusion, Stamina, Extra supplies, you can sub in Muscle reinforcement if extra supplies is being provided by the dss). This is the one actively dumbn thing i hate about the game, there's practially no reason to run any other booster set, and you are effectively throwing if you're not running this

[steep hound]

I really wish they'd like

[cobalt patrol]

That genuinely cheeses me off because it's so restrictive and boring, but passive extra health, stamina, more supplies, and having faster zoomies and damage resistance is just too fucking good

[steep hound]

make a ship module or something that gives you a second booster slot

[strange vine]

troopers dont deal any damage to vehicles anyway since their bullets are AP2 and vehicles are AV3 aside from a few spots

[cobalt patrol]

Like to put it in perspective: Extra Reinforcements that idiots keep birnging does nothing for the first 20 deaths

You have to loose 20 people for it to do anything.

and evne then it only does something if the 21st person dies within 2 minutes of the 20th person dying

[strange vine]

updated my icon mod!
https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/9356

[steep hound]

anyone tried the P-33 Missile Pistol yet?

[cobalt patrol]

Compared to all 20 reinformcents having 20% extra hp.

(Which means things like "It takes 2 hits from a warrior to kill me" becomes "It takes 3 hits"

Which can genuinely be the differnce between "Dived and stimmed sucscueflly" and "Died."

The only real time extra reinformcents makes sense is if you have supplies from the DSS and someone's running a full sucidie loadout where they expect to blow up a lot

[steady flame]

I think I have loadouts and aiming down, it's mostly just survivability, so, more extra padding armour I suppose.

The Zombie Penguin (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Without knowing where you'er struggling...

B asics would be: AIming is actually important in this …

[steep hound]

pure curiosity why are you an app

[cobalt patrol]

Surviaiblity is mostly a matter of learning when to push up, when to run away (you run away a lot on d10), when to dive etc

[keen zinc]

Bots are very clearly designed to fight SEAF

[cobalt patrol]

Stim aggressively

[keen zinc]

theyre very anti-fixed defense

their entire roster is based on suppression, flushing, and aggressively punishing fixed enemy positions

[tight zephyr]

You have to be very careful, the explosion is BIG.

[keen zinc]

knowing when you're in a Bad Spot just from being aware of the game state around you

[odd arch]

I've had this argument so many times in deep rock

[keen zinc]

is really important against Bots

[odd arch]

there's a perk that gives you a single self-revive
sharing the slot with perks that can prevent the death in the first place

"but what if we wipe" take the good perks and you won't.

[steep hound]

I need to figure out what the P-33 Missile Pistol's niche is gonna be here

it's only Medium AP so you're not using it to delete heavies but it's only got four rounds so you're not freely hitting too much with it

[keen zinc]

wut

[steep hound]

...wait but Medium AP would just be the ballistic component wouldn't it

I'm just completely forgetting how explosions work mechanically, aren't I

[keen zinc]

no because most missiles still have their listed AP high

so its essentially going to be doing what the grenade launcher does

i guess its a long ranger grenade pistol?

but who uses a grenade pistol for combat?

[steep hound]

I did just see it kill a War Strider in two shots in a video but that might be those newly Medium hip joints

[keen zinc]

ye

[odd arch]

many people actually

[steep hound]

tho tbf

killing a War Strider at distance in two hits isn't shabby it's just... that's 50% of the P-33's ammo

[odd arch]

I value hole closing way more but it's a good weapon too

[steep hound]

it can also kill a Charger in two shots

[odd arch]

resupplying full strength nades off ammo boxes is solid

[cobalt patrol]

Me! it's pretty useful.

[odd arch]

that was supposed to be many

😔

[rotund marten]

also random tiny thing: Warrant is absurdly good into Illuminate if you don't want to deal with shooting all the annoying fliers

well worth the SC

not awful elsewhere but not quite as god-tier

[tight zephyr]

I use the Warrant a lot on all three fronts.

It really fucks against Jet Brigade.

[steep hound]

I have just realised I have like

800 SC in Warbond rebates i havent actually claimed lmoa

...900

[steady flame]

Rebates?

[steep hound]

you know like

the Super Credits you unlock within a Warbond

[steady flame]

Oh, right yeah.

[steep hound]

should maybe have double checked that before i just bought 2100 SC to get the new warbond

oh well

guess im buying the rest of everything i havent already bought in the Super Store

[steady flame]

I mean, that is two extra warbonds worth.

[steep hound]

...

oh my God I never got the SC in Control Group either I am sitting on 1200 SC...

I've just needed the Medals to get the actual stuff and kept never getting round to the SC...

[cobalt patrol]

On the subject of survaiblity.

[tight zephyr]

The Ram armor has become my favorite set.

[steep hound]

ok in spite of being listed as Medium pen in the game

the Projectile is actually Anti-Tank lmao

for the Missile Pistol

[cobalt patrol]

(also ntoably here i'm also actually helping my team out, becuase everything is aggrod on me)

and swarming to get me

[steady flame]

Sadly we, might not be able to play right now. :(

[cobalt patrol]

...and i'm in heavy armor inflammable sitting in the middle ofa fire field

[steep hound]

wait why did your username change

[rotund marten]

how much faster does the new armour make you anyway

[steady flame]

Our username (@waxen hatch) didn't change. Our proxy did, because different member.

Godotto (any) [🔔] ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) wait why did your username change

[rotund marten]

because I know if it's "lots" I will die a lot more in future missions because I'm never taking off the zoomy light armour

[steep hound]

oh System like DID System?

[steady flame]

We don't have DID, but, yes, system.

[cobalt patrol]

It's a decent chunk faster but not super super afaster than lgith armor

i havent done hard tests

[steep hound]

got you

[cobalt patrol]

but def, you do be zippin'

[rotund marten]

I do like zipping

also I play stealth a lot and going real fast is strongly competitive with actual stealth armour

[steep hound]

what's the recoil like on the Gallant?

[cobalt patrol]

@quick plinth

@waxen hatch In genral re: survaiblity, mobility is king, followed by armor. Medium is generally very good for this. Mobiltiy matters more on bugs (right up until they swarm you) and mindless masses, armor matters more on bots and appriopatrs (becuase they can shoot you)

[steady flame]

[cobalt patrol]

Also knowing that Inflammable counts bug acid attacks really helps - you can literally stand there and let a dragon roach puke on you and it does nothing

It's very funny

(Meanwhile, you will not be doing anything to it with a cremator, so it's the worlds most embarssign standoff)

Two idiots puking fire at each otehr and getting nowhere

[rotund marten]

in the superstore there's the light armour with the durability of medium armour and I am a huge fan of that if I don't specifically need another passive for my loadout or approach (stealth armour, Peak Physique for heavy guns, etc.)

literally never bad

[cobalt patrol]

I also really favor the e xtra padding with medium armor, as notably, ahving greater than 100 armor rating gives you headshot protection

which makes a Big difference on bots

Sincei t's much harder to just die from getting beaned by a rocket

[steady flame]

Ah. We always ran light or, very rarely, heavy armour, so we never had that 125 with survivability.

[cobalt patrol]

Also, and i assume you know this, but Hellpods are weapons. If you're in a bind, just summoing the mg turret and biffing it inside a bug holke (even a bile titan hole)

[rotund marten]

extra padding medium also good

[cobalt patrol]

Is actually a good way to close it.

In genral, taht;'s teh otehr trick to survving: They can't kill you if they're already dead

(...Spore Chargers are an exacpetion)

[rotund marten]

I ran extra padding medium on cyberstan just because it was so hot that you physically couldn't reduce damage with good movement all the time

[odd arch]

holes have a pretty generous hellpod close radius so once you get a feel for it you can drop the hellpod far enough to not lose its contents

[rotund marten]

normally I can get away with light

[cobalt patrol]

If you dive throw a 500kg into am edium base and it wipes everything

Then like, that's an entire base that's a: not sending out reinforcements

and b: didn;'t get a chance to call in a breach/drop/whatever

(this is why you'll also see me in Bot missions pick a high spot, call in supplies, and then there'll be a chain of "X objective destroyed" as i proceed to snipe bases, moratar turrets, etc from 200+ meters)

Good ol RRs and the fact they have bullet drop, you can do some incredible trickshots as a result ❤️

...and someties you get the angle wrong and your rocket bounces off a fab like it's a skimming stone and it all goes to shit

We don't talk about those times tho'

[quick plinth]

right now you can't outrun the bugs even with the light higher speed armor

the spore bugs move faster than even red warriors

[cobalt patrol]

"In general" and "Until they swarm you" are improtant modifiers there 😄

[quick plinth]

it's kind of moot though when the whole bug playbook goes out the window since you are near on permanently swarmed and need to play it like it's an Alien swarm hold section but it's the entire mission

[cobalt patrol]

But also that's when you break out the gas grenades, the gas stirkes, etc

[quick plinth]

the breakthrough mech is goated though

[steady flame]

I forget, does the sapper armour have 120 armour?

[cobalt patrol]

Or doing things like setting up firebreaks

[quick plinth]

shield bash and shotgun is actually real good

[steady flame]

The Entrenched Division Medium, that is.

[cobalt patrol]

It does not

It has 100 and explosive resistance

which is decent, but not the same

[steady flame]

Ah. So, probably looking at the er, I think Doubt Killer is the right armour for this?

[hazy oriole]

I have concerns regarding the continued durable damage buffs for sentries

[quick plinth]

sentries that were unattended used to die in about one second

now they die in about half as much time if setupon melee enemies

so

[hazy oriole]

Wow

[rotund marten]

the gamer chair is mildly disgusting for that, too

[cobalt patrol]

That's really not true on sentries

[hazy oriole]

FUCK hive guard heavy armor

My beloved gatling on bugs fuuuuuuck

[cobalt patrol]

i literally watched the flame turret get hit by a behemoth

and survive.

[quick plinth]

I've never had that happen

[cobalt patrol]

Watched it happen today.

[quick plinth]

if a charger so much as brushes them they implode in my experience

[cobalt patrol]

Guess my turrets are just built differnet

[hazy oriole]

Must be, most of the time turrets will just die to those things

[strange vine]

Its heavy AP

[strange vine]

Those are 100% explosion damage immune though

[oblique lotus]

ooh spear buff

[steady flame]

It's only an extra missile, but, an extra missile goes far.

[oblique lotus]

hive guard have gotten squishier if you're not trying to blow through the armor which is a good reward imo

you can kill war striders with med pen now

[split parcel]

Hive guard were like the only bug my Cookout didnt immediately annihilate and I think this change makes it even easier to kill them

With cookout i mean.

[oblique lotus]

I like the stats on the gallant vs the knight tbh

I think a lot of the time light pen vs AV2 makes a lot of light pen weapons kinda bad but the gallant being roughly damage neutral vs AV2 with the ability to trade up gives it a niche instead of just being a better knight

breakthrough has 64+6 shots btw

[strange vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463939422084137062/1498726661477105744/image0.jpg?ex=69f23579&is=69f0e3f9&hm=aaaa6777601d42b1dd38b67635e479f6f9c58a3c064a7c6b2a42fc8d31e063bd&

[knotty folio]

Wait the 25% gas slow is universal, not just for the Sterilizer? Dang, I was already a gas stratagem addict

[odd arch]

I wonder if something prevents self slow

[knotty folio]

Also my goodness my favorite flamey boi got ridiculous buffs

[odd arch]

since I live inside my own gas clouds

[knotty folio]

It would be nice if gas resist also reduced the slow proportionally but I somewhat doubt it does

[odd arch]

there's the slowdown effects booster

[steady flame]

Also, for any other Linux users here, apparently Valve already pushed a fix to bleeding-edge Experiemtnal???

[knotty folio]

Hm, looks like the changes to Illuminate Teslas lets AMR, Railgun, and Laser Cannon pop them from demo force

As well as the explosion instead of just the projectile on lots of explosives

[steady flame]

Also, is AMR good on Bots for like, their heavier units?

[odd arch]

yeah

[steady flame]

I do kinda wish we could use a like, 2x scope on it, but also I understand why not.

[knotty folio]

Its solidly fine, though I find it annoying with the missing reticle

[odd arch]

one-taps shield striders and hulk eyes, kills hulks quickly otherwise, should be pretty fast on war strider hips now with their reduced armour

and blows off factory strider chinguns, rendering them irrelevant

I don't remember if it can kill shredder tanks from the front, I think yes?

nvm only track them

[knotty folio]

Not actually sure I'm the biggest fan of giving them a health pool, needing demo force to clear them made them a lot more interesting texturewise, but otoh explosives really don't need any more incentives to use

[odd arch]

I could swear shredder tanks have a weakpoint somewhere in the gun cluster but I might be hallucinating

[knotty folio]

I don't think there's supposed to be one

But also I could see there being a model error or something that lets you shoot through and hit the vent

[odd arch]

so yeah shredders are the biggest problem out of all these

but I can't remember the last time I saw them, especially in numbers

[tight zephyr]

The turret ring, I think.

[quick plinth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/SupaEarth/s/VycG6aNdJa

[rotund marten]

if that's true I have to give this a go before they fix it

although I don't have the warbond

[strange vine]

Im pretty sure this is just the spore burst strain buffs

Cause the bugs were fucking speedy even though everyone wasnt wearing the new armor

[quick plinth]

eh true but they were zoomin when I was testing the armor earlier

I guess a better way to test it would be to play like reg bugs or bots with the armor

[glacial light]

I'm crying tears of joy

[dusty spruce]

I know this is a hell of a necro, but yeah, people have been going insane over this for some reason. It's a soft nerf of gatling/mg sentries, that's a valid criticism. I get that.
But I've started seeing people actually argue that not letting people just aim center of mass and mag dump on the bug front is basically cruelty on AH's part.

[graceful bluff]

I shrimply take "To whom it may concern" weapons instead of aiming :v

eruptor must be so fun on the bot front now that it probably rips apart dev shields

[dusty spruce]

Honestly I'm happy for that trade. Hev Dev shields not just absorbing tank shells is a great change.

[tight zephyr]

It’s only been like that for two years. lmao

[knotty folio]

I don't think it's actually any different, the shields are supposed to be AV4 and only the main projectile on the Eruptor is AP4

Will be nice for AT Emplacement Gaming though

[tight zephyr]

The Gamer Chair…

[graceful bluff]

lmao, the DE sickle gets ap4

[knotty folio]

(Idk the durable% on the shields but it's like 4-8 shots to break one depending on that, and a Devastator is not surviving 4 Eruptor shots anyway)

[knotty folio]

Chainsaw too I think

[graceful bluff]

laser cannon is also ap4

[dusty spruce]

Yeah, it's obviously still better in every way to shoot the head (which, yeah, it shouldn't really be faster to aim for the shield). But now you no longer have whiffed Quasar shots turning into nothing against the mighty cyborgium shield

[graceful bluff]

best part of it though, is that now autocannon and rocket sentries can't just be tanked by a dev

[odd arch]

next MO the bots will deploy ERA shields

[knotty folio]

I thought autocannon had enough stagger the burst would get through already? But still definitely a nice improvement

[odd arch]

stagger was double edged against them because they'd often flail the shield into the path of your projectiles while staggering

not to mention going

uhhh

give me a second

[knotty folio]

Makes sense

[odd arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/252405849404866560/1311234277383606313/IMG_6465.mp4?ex=69f1b515&is=69f06395&hm=84cb04248539de44f30609153ae5c2ff7499c32e68eaff9e18bfb8b870add73c&

you stagger a dev and they inadvertently perfectly weave your followup shots

[knotty folio]

This is my only real concern with the change, MG/Gatling sentries are absolutely strong enough a soft nerf is justified but I find watching a sentry magdump something it can't injure, like Dev shields, kind of unpleasant

[graceful bluff]

Bringing boxing weaves to a gunfight

[warped cradle]

Breakthrough is ridiculously fun, parrying a charger is the most fun I've had since fighting hive lords on Oshaune

[split parcel]

I'm super excited to try it out

[dark plover]

Anyone successfully slotted the Bullet Storm into their load outs? It looks really fun and sets a nice precedent for expendables, but I don't know how or where I'd go about running it atm.

Maybe take it alongside an AT expendable on a mobility or other backpack-dependent setup?

[knotty folio]

Bring the hammer too so you can parry them on foot as well

[graceful bluff]

what's the cooldown of the BS compared to the EAT?

[warped cradle]

I've paired it with the spear and that was fun

[dusty spruce]

I wouldn't mind the gatling getting some heavy pen with maybe low durable damage (good for still killing Hive Guards now, but maybe not so great at killing Chargers, obvs). Right now the MG sentry is arguably better than the Gatling. Both on the recharge time and on the bonus that it is also less likely to kill other Helldivers.

[split parcel]

Slightly over a minute for both, i think. Maybe a couple seconds difference?

[dark plover]

Apparently the base cool down is only... 70? Holy cow.

[odd arch]

I've always considered MG sentry the practical option and gatling the aurafarm sidegrade so not much changed for me

[knotty folio]

I feel like giving it heavy pen would open a whole can of worms, being able to chunk Hulks and Chargers would be huge

[graceful bluff]

definitely will slot them into my expendable loadout then

[knotty folio]

Honestly MG and Gatling both felt very solid to me, I'll have to see how they feel with the durable damage changes and hiveguards but I expect they'll still be solid

[knotty folio]

Love the Gatling on any sort of defense mission where I can put it in a corner

[dusty spruce]

oh fuck. You're right about hulks. Wasn't thinking about them.

Though I still do think the MG and Gatling needs more differentiation than some tweaks to capacity, recharge, and fire rate. They even have the same damage (same projectile as the basic MG)
I can't even make a great argument for it then just feeling they should be more different.

[knotty folio]

They do behave differently as well, the Gatling keeps firing while traversing between targets while the MG only fires while on-target

It's what makes the Gatling such a deadly teamkiller but also makes it clear hordes much better

[glacial light]

I always thought it was weird how they're both med pen

[graceful bluff]

I mean they use the same round

[dusty spruce]

Does that really make it better at clearing hordes, since that means it's firing bullets at nothing but empty air (and the back of teammate's skulls)

[glacial light]

It'd make sense to me if one gatling was faster shooter med pen and MG was more like HMG and used heavy pen rounds but slower firing and more Cd

[knotty folio]

Yes, since if there are enemies behind the ones it's targeting it sweeps through them

[dusty spruce]

True, true. You're right on that.

[knotty folio]

Great against Voteless in particular

[graceful bluff]

Honestly I wouldn't trade heavy pen for more cd for the mg turret

I love the low cooldown

[glacial light]

I would it's be a monster on bots

[knotty folio]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind a new HMG turret but it's also kind of neat having HMG emplacement as the equivalent

I like different APs playing differenrly

[graceful bluff]

My new expendable setup will probably be BS EAT HMGE Orbital Flex

[glacial light]

It's not really an equivalent since you got to mount it

[dusty spruce]

I do see the issue. I would love one, but it'd have to be tricky to avoid making the HMG emplacement a bad pick in comparison.

[knotty folio]

Yep, it's not the same capabilities and playstyle, which is IMO good for keeping gameplay interesting

[glacial light]

And it's not like we don't have overlap in damage profiles with rocket/autocannon sentry and eats encampment

[dusty spruce]

Maybe we need the HD1 railgun turret to return?

[knotty folio]

Rail Turret would be gas

I would love to just sit there going pewpewpew

[glacial light]

Imagine though, speargun turret, gas mortar is nice but I simply want more gas

[knotty folio]

I would be such an addict

I'm already dangerously attached to gas mines and gas mortar

[dusty spruce]

Honestly, it was a huge feeling of relief seeing my beloved Lumberer but especially the disposable MG coming back. My faith in either the Rumbler or my beautiful Paragon's return shot up.

[knotty folio]

(I still can't believe they gave them 25% slow, it's going to be beautiful)

[glacial light]

I'm a big fan of gas mortar cause it's safe to bring on squids and bugs mostly

Your teammates will die to a close impact but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

I also have a distain for mines in open missions since I ran into a bug where the mines appeared like half a foot underground on my end on some terrain so they were invisible yet still blew me up

[knotty folio]

That's why I love gas mines, when there is an inevitable issue with placement or graphics they don't kill you

One stim and you're through

[glacial light]

Yea gas is safe

If your teammates die to gas, skill issues the mines didn't do it

[knotty folio]

The only risk to gas mines is they like to eat emplacements if you put them a little too close

[strange vine]

did a quick bit of testing, the new armor doesnt affect enemies; didnt notice bots or bugs having increased speed while wearing it. Only spore burst bugs that huff the spores have speed increase

[steady flame]

Of course the update broke our audio again

Why wouldn’t it??

[glacial light]

Cloudflare is having issues might be why

[hazy oriole]

speaking of the new armor, is there much of a reason to run it over extra padding light/medium?

like how much of a speed boost are we talking

[strange vine]

its pretty noticeable i think?

[stone bridge]

its significant

like 15, 20%

[knotty folio]

I suppose it would have to be pretty significant for the med armor version at least, to compete with extra padding light

Which gives extra speed but also a ton more stamina

[rotund marten]

this was a diff 7

napalm barrage, grenade launcher, laser dog, MG sentry earning every bit of their keep

these swarms are so hard to peel off, they just keep coming and they try to properly wrap you up

unsure if deliberate surround or just scavengers running so fast they get fully past you before they decide to swing

[glacial light]

It's kind of insane, I love it. Running it with the stim booster let's you be Sonic

Is it overkill? Yea but I'm still running warp pack. Ranges enemies track it poorly and its like the movie trope of the grunts shooting 3 feet behind you

[steady flame]

Question about the er, rocket pistol: Is it basically a Warrant crossed with the GP?

[hazy oriole]

closer to a 1/2 an ultimatum shot per rocket

mmmmmmmaybe a bit less, but it can take out heavies in two shots or so

[knotty folio]

O.O how much ammo does it have?

[quick plinth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/2eSxPcxfeV

[glacial light]

Damn I was expecting more like a airburst rocket but in pleasantly surprised

[hazy oriole]

3 spares, one in the chamber

so four total

I still think it's a little too clunky to be a full on ultimatum sidegrade, but it's neat, I guess

[knotty folio]

Ooh, nice, so 2 per resupply presumably

I'll have to try it against squids, explosive damage is very nice and hopefully it's good for sniping snitches and hoverseers

[oblique lotus]

Its like a commando rocket

1k AP5

[keen zinc]

Could be useful for shooting down gunships

[tall stone]

Ok the spore bugs are zippy

God I remember why I hate fighting bugs.

[hazy oriole]

That's a much better comparison, thank you
Does that onetap a hulk visor? Could be fun on bots

For those who have it, is Heavy Oxygenator any significantly faster than Medium Extra Padding?

[oblique lotus]

yes

[hazy oriole]

Ooo, neato

[spare verge]

new planet is very pretty

[knotty folio]

Huh, it's Oregon

[supple siren]

Some parts are vermont, it can get deciduous-y

[spare verge]

parts of it feel like ohio to me

the parts where the trees are at most a hundred years old

[weary granite]

Bruh, the Hive Guards pooled their armor to their shield arms and head from the rest of their body like they were all or nothing armor only on front in Mech Warrior and abandoning anything else.

That is funny as shit.

Devastator Shields still don't matter to me because a Wasp just slap them into the dirt.

[oblique lotus]

holy shit those are fast

[spare verge]

the spore bile titan breathing a whole cloud of "bugs go fast" is terrifying

[stone bridge]

its so awesome

[oblique lotus]

this kinda sucks on 10s ngl

you get instantly bumrushed by a horde just off of patrols

[stone bridge]

bring bigger firepower or CC tools

gas strikes strangle spore holes just as well as regular ones

the new mechs handle them great, flamer firebreaks are especially good

[oblique lotus]

I'm bringing the biggest firepower I have the issue is that bugs can close 100m in liike 5 seconds

[stone bridge]

what CC are you bringing?

[oblique lotus]

cluster

[stone bridge]

yeah you need gas

gas strike, gas mines are great free options, gas nades are kingly if you have them

[oblique lotus]

fire DOT doesn't kill because of how fast they can get through fire pools

incen nades napalm airstrike etc aren't lethal to warriors

[stone bridge]

napalm strikes are absolutely lethal to warriors

they deal heavy burning

[oblique lotus]

I've seen multiple patrols make it through napalm airstrike if they're on go fast

[stone bridge]

so their first tick is 300 damage

if they do make it through they're on a tiny bit of health

[oblique lotus]

still takes a bullet to drop them

which is a problem when there's 30 of them

[stone bridge]

yeah blitzer is not a good option into them

[oblique lotus]

I've had pretty good success with the blitzer tbh

the fact that it has no downtime is pretty useful when you're always neck deep in bugs

[dark plover]

Wasn't d10, but I was having a fun time actually successfully kiting them with the speed armor, gas dog, and blitzer. Just running away and spamming hip fire while they slowly die to gas DoT

[stone bridge]

i've been using the punisher/cookout

extremely effective

[oblique lotus]

ok maybe I'm just out of practice

too much bots recently

[unreal merlin]

Did a few operations earlier on 10s, we all took a different exo for speed bugs. Works great, naysayers are just naysaying. Use the right tool for the job, don't cry that the AP3 chain gun doesn't pen the AP4 bug armor.

[cobalt patrol]

Gun drone is also brutally effective.

Cremator with heavy armor works well, because you can just create a fire pool and sit in it

Make sure people are bringing stamina/health/ex infusions, it matters

[glacial light]

New SMG is kind of cracked for bugs and squids, the one hand letting you run while shooting backwards is pretty great and med pen for overseers

[weary granite]

I use the heavy armor that is resistant to fire + gas and just walk around with gas mines, a stoker or torch with gas dog and the oh shit EAT option.

[glacial light]

Stroker and gas dog, real DOT maxxing

I'm not sure if I'm missing something but does the breakthrough just have 6 shots then it's out of ammo and you mostly just slap enemies with the shield the entire time?

[stone bridge]

hit reload bestie

[glacial light]

Mech with reload? Interesting

[stone bridge]

i mean, it does have a reserve ammo count next to its loaded rounds

[rotund marten]

OK, new warbond obtained

looking forward to trying out zoomy armour and missile pistol

[marble parcel]

I heard that if the new bugs die to a DOT they don't release the cloud is that true?

[tall stone]

I did in fact discover this. It's my usual go-to for bugs, but it doesn't work here.

[tall stone]

It is, seen it several times with Rover and with gas.

[marble parcel]

Sweet

Also blitzer is my go to too but the AP4 change actually makes it useless againts guards too lol too bad

Have to find something else I guess, seems like gas + fire might be the play

[cobalt patrol]

Seems true from what i've seen with roasting things in flames

[split parcel]

Awesome, I run double dot fire + gas into bugs, so that'll be really helpful

[marble parcel]

Is it also just me or are chargers + titans less present? More ads and little guys

Playing on 7

[cobalt patrol]

Pletny of bts on 10

[rotund marten]

I saw less chargers but a good spread of BTs

actually

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone for an operation?

[weary granite]

Let me iiiin

[tight zephyr]

The Cremator is pretty useful, but you need someone watching your back.

[weary granite]

Soooooo

We gamin?

[rotund marten]

diving in IPSN

[cobalt patrol]

You d10ing?

I can come creamte things if you're doing d10ing

[rotund marten]

sure, I need to test my new warbond out anyway

[cobalt patrol]

Cool. I wont be on voice

but otehrwise

Hmm

i dont seem to have you in my ingame friends/steam anymore for whatever reason>?

[rotund marten]

I may be invisible, one moment

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i think you were

brb, just need to grab my meds for the night

[rotund marten]

@weary granite sorry for the delay, gaming now

aunt showed up at my door and I abruptly had to stop to accept delicious coffee cake

[graceful bluff]

Now we just need a game with squids

[cobalt patrol]

Pfft

Also, boy, the whole Flame Trooper thing was pretty effective

[stark ether]

quick everyone go buy dredge

[cobalt patrol]

@weary granite You made friends!

Too many friends.

[split parcel]

What planet is that on?

[cobalt patrol]

One of the new ones

in this case new biome + overrun by bugs + HOW MANY BILE TITANS ARE THERE

[rotund marten]

yeah, I came specced for horde clear

it was not a horde clear kind of day

back to ulti

[warped cradle]

The bullet storm is nutty

600 rounds per drop and you get another one every 70 seconds

[cobalt patrol]

They just need to fix the bugs >.<

[rotund marten]

the horde approaches

that was a very fun holdout though

[cobalt patrol]

the new mechs and bullestormdon't benefit from calll in time reduction

or the cooldown reduction from the DSS

[rotund marten]

bullet storm is also perhaps not the pick for these manic D10s because you can't be waiting on a pod to drop to get more bullets

just need a basic gun

it does shred hordes appealngly fast at least

[cobalt patrol]

It can work really well paired with a Gun Drone

you jsut need someoen covering you

as you saw, heavy flame trooper does work

Work may include roasting teamates

[tight zephyr]

I’ve been using gas mines a lot and it kind of helps.

[marble parcel]

gas + fire not spreading the bugjuice everywhere makes things very nice

and even if one of my teamates did shoot one the new gas slow was noticable

was running flame primary and gas dog + oribital

[rotund marten]

I had one, sometimes the downtime was a bit steep

I like the new speedy armour though

I was not getting ran down anywhere near as much as I expected even by the blitzing spore bugs

it'll be a lot of fun on bots

[tight zephyr]

Fartdog does some real work, yeah.

I wonder if we’ll ever get a gas sentry.

Although I think it’d be more like a Tesla tower where it’s just a tower that farts out a huge cloud of gas when enemies come close.

[dark plover]

That'd be pretty fun. I think it'd have to be pretty resilient though because I think even confused enemies would still target it periodically. And unlike the Tesla it wouldn't just immediately vaporize anything close to it.

[tight zephyr]

Or it just puts out a constant cloud for a set period of time, maybe.

[glacial light]

We do have gas mortar sentry

[split parcel]

Whats up with them?

[cobalt patrol]

I mentioned above, but:

Bullet storm doesn't get the call in reduction.

Lumber's and Breakthrough are missing the cool down reduction + don't have unique icons on the map

[verbal summit]

I like melee and i like guided weapons

This warbond is for me

But I dont have time to get the SC😔

[rotund marten]

are we going to get superstore stuff for this one anytime soon or is there no news there

[dark plover]

There's armor already

Medium armor, painted red so it goes faster.

[rotund marten]

ah wonderful

not sure that's super useful since you can already wear light armour as tough as medium armour

so medium armour not quite as fast as light armour is probably not worth my SC

[glacial light]

Bulletstorm first person looks comical

[dark plover]

Seems like medium oxygenated is slightly quicker over short distances and it does also boost your slide distance. Overall though it seems very similar to bumping the weight class down + padded

https://www.reddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1symlci/oxygenator_armor_passive_speed_tests/

[strange vine]

gas mortar sentry already exists

[glacial light]

Ok now knowing Breakthrough can reload, its actually quite strong, real tough I ran it into bots and it just tanked stuff.

And you can 2-3 shot a war strider with melee when gun wont do

[tight zephyr]

I meant a good sentry.

[glacial light]

Gas Mortar sentry is pretty good

[tight zephyr]

"Mortar" and "good" are mutually exclusive.

[glacial light]

Thats where we disagree ig, EMS and gas mortar are good to me

[tight zephyr]

Well, if it works for you, it works for you. My experience has been that they're the Teamkill-O-Matic 5000.

[graceful bluff]

That's because pubs just throw them down whenever

You'd think that the same part of peoples brain that says "maybe don't throw the 380mm at your feet" makes them not call down the mini 380mm when there's enemies nearby

[unreal merlin]

Normal mortar can easily be a huge risk, especially with these fast bugs. Ems and gas mortar on the other hand are much better tools for bugs.

Normal mortar is a lot better vs bots, both because they're slower/generally vulnerable (devastators) but also cuz the maps feature a lot of high walls that the mortar ignores

Gas/ems isn't so immediately lethal or unpredictable and acts as CC to help keep bugs/squids masses under control

[glacial light]

Bulletstorm on squids goes hard, its just endless brrrt

[knotty folio]

It's the same as the difference between gas mines and all the other mines, one of them wastes a stim if it hits an ally while the other wastes a reinforce

[rotund marten]

I'm really looking forward to using the new stuff on bots

its fine on bugs but the current MO's distribution of 100 melee guys constantly on your behind and a bunch of incredibly tanky support heavies makes the missile pistol and the cube less attractive

[glacial light]

Breakthrough seems nice on bots, struggles with striders but you can melee them to death. I have no answers for factory striders and voxes i'd need to get out to throw a nade or just throw stratagem

[rotund marten]

I can't really stop to drop new bulletstorms in these conditions

[glacial light]

The Lumberer is quite ok on spore since you just cover the floor in fire so less spores

[rotund marten]

whereas bots give you more space

[glacial light]

Out of everything in the warbond im not sold on the missile pistol

[rotund marten]

I want to try it on the robits and illuminate

it doesn't have the damage output I need for bugs right now

but if you turn off the guidance it's accurate and I think it might do a good line sniping hulks/striders/bot buildings

[graceful bluff]

also just realized something about the bullet storm

it has 1 anti tank kill in it, the pod :v

much like how you use the EAT pod to kill things

[glacial light]

Cooldown is bugged though, 70s instead of 60s it should be if you got ship upgrades

[hazy oriole]

ughhh no wonder the quasar felt a bit weaker vs the new bts, apparently they have more head hp

[graceful bluff]

wouldn't be an AH update without it

[hazy oriole]

it kills me how it looks like an institute laser rifle from fallout 4

[graceful bluff]

I feel like it'd be incredibly funny if they slapped a rail on top of it as if that'd help aim the thing

[glacial light]

Add the world's most useless ironsights cause the Helldiver still holds it as pictured