Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[verbal summit]

I used to run full flame i should try it again with the buffs it got

It's unfortunate I dont have the time to play anymore😔

[steady flame]

It’s honestly pretty good especially against the crabs since it ignores their shield

[verbal summit]

I got online sometime this week I think just to listen to music n vibe in a vc but other than that I haven't really gamed except for the weekend in the past like 3 to 4 weeks

And then in the weekends I wanna play a million games

Helldivers, ac7, hollow knight, horizon zero dawn, space engineers, elite dangerous, nebulous, noita

[weary granite]

Random question, since I can't seem to remember if there was a straight answer or not.

Are the Terminid Swarm a hive mind?

[verbal summit]

I believe yes

I mean its what I hear from anyone and everyone but I dont have any like source

[weary granite]

Cause I can't remember if there was a straight answer for that or no.

[verbal summit]

I think it's yes though if you ask people who have the source. As in I'm like 85% sure

[steady flame]

From consulting the wiki we’d say that yes they are

In game it’s described as both “neurons making up a brain” in reference to their coordination and regular “swarm intelligence” similar to ants

We’d argue they are a hive mind though

They’re not sentient to the degree they were in HD1 but the swarm as a whole is definitely intelligent

[weary granite]

Aight. Just made the Automata Legion Cyborg "Race" with Mechanist (Automatons) Origin, Terminid Swarm Terminid Hive Mind with the Subterranean Origin. Now I gotta do the Illuminate and Super Earth.

Current Illuminate feel like necromancers + magic and killy so Spiritualist Militarist

[tired mulch]

100,000TH MESSAGE

it was at like 99,999

[tight zephyr]

Wait are we getting a new vehicle?

[graceful bluff]

They really need to give us the vehicle bay already

The mechs are in dire need of some upgrades

[blissful sparrow]

i did some HD1 with my group a few days ago to show them some history
And the pure joy of just bringing the same mech in all 4 slots and handing them out like candy was just glorious
also strategem launcher

[graceful bluff]

Learning that the mech can be killed with less than one mag of the weakest primary in the game was brutal

[strange vine]

Enemy damage numbers are significantly less than player weapons so it doesnt really matter. I do think mechs need double or triple health values though

[graceful bluff]

The funny thing about this specific primary is that it has very similar damage to specific common enemies

which is why they used it

[glacial light]

Imagine if we got a fork lift mech

The reversed reversed engineered exo

[graceful bluff]

just let me ride the forklift model already in the game

[tall stone]

https://giphy.com/gifs/vasquez-apone-corporal-z8lV4Mx6NyhtS

[glacial light]

What I would give for a raptor like melee mech that can sprint real quick

[strange vine]

Datamined ||theres a breacher mech that has a big shield and some sort of grenade launcher. Apparently has some booster too? Idk, unsure on that detail||

[glacial light]

Yoooooo

[stone bridge]

To add to this, ||the Lumberer is also back, superheavy flamer + 100mm cannon||

[delicate aspen]

https://tenor.com/pLAm.gif

[weary granite]

Yooo, the mech I used to throw hands with.

Granted, it isn't fully melee. But Come on.

[blissful sparrow]

their undemocratic intentions are shrouded in mystery

[graceful bluff]

it's been so long since I've seen the autocannon backpack that I thought they buffed how much c4 you got for a moment :v

[dusty spruce]

Oh sweet baby yes.
That was my main back in HD1. That and the paragon and rumbler

[steady flame]

RUMBLER MENTIONED.

[glacial light]

So this is how new FRVs are made, nature is beautiful

[split parcel]

Two trucks...

[hexed steeple]

[knotty folio]

I had a couple spawn in naturally like this a while back as well, I ended up leaving them to their own business

[short rune]

I have heard about the shotgun. But the pog gun is new.

[steady flame]

man we forgot how easy diff 10 "oops all voteless" missions are

[weary granite]

Flame + Gas + Voteless = Nicely seasoned Democracy

[tight zephyr]

Voteless aren't as threatening when you don't have ten bazillion Overseers beating your ass with sticks.

[karmic prawn]

Wonder if we'll see an even bigger fleshmob at some point

[tight zephyr]

What's bigger than a mob?

[karmic prawn]

Fleshprotest

Fleshriot is actually a decent name dang

[unreal merlin]

I don't want to see the Fleshflood.

[oblique lotus]

fleshtide

[tight zephyr]

Fleshriot is a good name for a punk band.

[normal juniper]

meatball riot is also good

[odd arch]

the more relaxed fleshcommunity

[karmic prawn]

The hateful fleshcollectivists

[short rune]

Fleshprotest

Tissuesocialists

Meatbolsheviks

[weary granite]

Is it bad I want them to be like giant rolling balls of flesh?

[glacial light]

Imagine this but flesh party

If youve played edf then you know

[karmic prawn]

Ah the sweet unity of flesh

[short rune]

Unity in flesh, unity in mind.
Join Abomination-Squadron today.
(Get a bonus when you bring friends and family)

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1s7gw3u/psa_you_cannot_cancel_a_throw_by_getting_back_in/

[supple siren]

I love how Helldivers makes stuff like this feel 100% canon and in character

[cobalt patrol]

Yup.

It's great

also the very fast "I'm sorry" is sending me

Total differnet note, i'm convicned that using light armor is the correct play for cremator

(the mobiltiy matters a ton)

...the one problem is any strayh friendly fire and you become a puffball of sadness

Otoh, this is mostly funny

[supple siren]

Oh hey I did light armor cremator last night, wore the self-det armor with extra Giga Grenades/Ultimatum so death was just Reload (Special)

Also been experiencing.. maybe a bug? With fire and Meatballs

It like deflects off of them for 2x the distance sometimes

Will be shooting a charge and friend behind me to the right gets caught in a massive wave of burning

[cobalt patrol]

I prefer the fireproof armor, just because catching fire is Bad TM

but light armor might be good.

er, extra padding

[supple siren]

Enemies need to shoot more elements so the Resist All comes into play more but Light 50/50 gas and fire feels pretty great

Still have to dive pretty quick to put yourself out but not 'if you haven't already started you die'

[cobalt patrol]

mm, problem is that armor is gated behind stuffthingmagging

the expensive warbond

and iirc, 50% electric resist still won't save you from a harvy zapping you in light armor

...thankful,ly you can usually just obliterate the Harvester's lighting gun (and the harvester itself) before it can do anything other htan look very sad

[short rune]

You mean arc resistance?

[split parcel]

The Dust Devil armor gives you 40% arc resistance as well as some extra throwing range

Might not meet the breakpoint you're looking for but if money is an issue then Dust Devils might be helpful

[dusty spruce]

Even light arc resist can be handy.
Was reminded that the armor I wear has some resist after a host walked too close to an illuminate Tesla tower and almost got me killed.

[tight zephyr]

The arc grenade has been getting a lot of use for me lately.

[strange vine]

id love a helldivers spin off where you play as seaf but its like, up to 20 players or something
just having a larger group of people to fuck around with
have a proper vehicle and combined arms force

[blissful sparrow]

there is a Star ship troopers fps that is like 32 players or so

[dusty spruce]

I mean, I’m sure there are several Helldivers arma mods

[tight zephyr]

There are.

[dark plover]

Man, Cremator is fun as hell against Mindless Masses. Haven't quite figured out a go-to load out for Appropriators, but leaning toward some kind of sentry / emplacement setup.

[knotty folio]

HMG Emplacement does a ton of work against Appropriators, good for clearing the skies and chews through the heavier units

[strange vine]

i like HMG on max RPM vs appropriators, with a bullet hose/fast primary for obtruder clearing

[keen zinc]

HMG absolutely eats Appropriators

[dark plover]

I need to try HMG on them again. I struggled previously, but I think I was just mag dumping the cockpit rather than targeting more efficiently.

[dusty spruce]

Flamethrower is just as effective against Appropriators. The flame kills the pilots of the mechs as quickly as it kills Fleshmobs.

[karmic prawn]

It's nice pretty much all the appropriators want to get close but not too close too

[split parcel]

HMG + supply pack is goated for appropriators. Gotta find an armor set I like though

[glacial light]

I enjoy MG cause you can find them easily so extra slot and supply pack, set it on max rpm and start shredding without worry cause supply pack

[glacial light]

When everyone is hovering no one is - Syndrome

[dark plover]

The secondary benefit of the Supply Pack that I really enjoy is being able to go buck wild on Obtruders and Elevated Overseers with the Warrant.

[oblique lotus]

blitzer on all voteless is legit

[glacial light]

Warrant has always been my favorite sidearm as the utility of is it great to just spam click and clear a threat without needing clear line of sight or through clouds

Having that consistent of no matter if my arm is broke or im being flinched to hell I can kill this one thing very fast, and quick reload too

I haven't tried trident on the squid hordes but I bet it'd go hard

[hazy oriole]

thanks game

[glacial light]

So like from everyone else's perspective are you at ground or under it

[strange vine]

I like recoil reduction

[cobalt patrol]

Autocannon absolutely mauls appropriators

Weirdly, so does the mg turret. It aimbots the pilots

[tight zephyr]

I’ve started running the Warrant to get rid of the Seven Thousand Fucking Pigeons you run into with the Appropriators.

[glacial light]

It was great for deleting watchers that teammates just let scan for a minute, its pretty great on the drone swarms

Although everyone seems to bring gatling and I feel like 2 are always on the field when there's a lot of them so I don't really use it for that

[tight zephyr]

It’s good for picking off strays that the turrets miss.

[waxen hatch]

Warrant is so good for that, yeah.

[steady flame]

I just wish I knew of a grenade that was good on Appropriators. :(

[stone bridge]

giga grenade, gas grenades

[warped cradle]

Pineapple is fun

Extra nice for obliterating the bee swarm

[weary granite]

Fool, unless I am running a thematic build. I will be the tub of lard I aspire to be.

Also Pineapple is funny for taking care of voteless hordes.

[dark plover]

Salamander is just so drippy. But I will give it a shot with the light kill zone armor sometime.

[hazy oriole]

Underground

[strange vine]

impact is a decent option for getting rid of packs of obtruders

[verbal summit]

Shield bubble and leveller to the feet saves the day from whatever issue may be

[glacial light]

Huh bubble nade tanks leveler? I assume you shoot leveler so it lands outside the bubble?

[verbal summit]

Yea

Works with silo too I think

I mostly use bubble nade to just throw stratagems at my own feet

[oblique lotus]

silo and leveller will live, hellbomb or 500kg is still death

[glacial light]

Silo, Leveler, Hellbomb, 500kg and democracy protects the big gambling build

[oblique lotus]

silo leveller hellpack EAT and demo protects was my cyberstan build

[unreal merlin]

orbital smoke + smoke grenades was absolutely my cyberstan workhorse combo

plus two blues and something like MG Sentry

[odd arch]

orbital smoke over eagle smoke because of AA or?

[unreal merlin]

yes, the AA was omnipresent and oppressive on cyberstan, but also Orbital Smoke covers a larger, more circular area than eagle smoke

[naive hawk]

orbital smoke can also break a lot of objectives

[unreal merlin]

and it's got a ~60 second cooldown so you can throw it out basically every fight you might need it

[cobalt patrol]

yeah, the impact of the orbital smnoke did a loit

Also i love an efficent 150 team

we aall pile out of the vehcile

que turrets landing everywhere

two of us break off to hold off the squids

the other two quickly load up the seaf

[strange vine]

was bored so i doodled a GATER stratagem icon

[dusty spruce]

The frag grenade buffs from a while back make them so good. Especially getting four from a resupply. Them with a resupply pack gives me way too much add and spawner clearing potential. Few problems can't be solved by simply chucking enough grenades at it.

[ivory swallow]

i see the frv and the tank but what are the other two?

[short rune]

One of them is an APC

Which may or may not have been in the game files

No clue about the last one

[knotty folio]

Rightmost is the GATER from drill missions

[glacial light]

Peak reason why Eruptor is goated, you can say mantras between shots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfNv5f-wTsg

[trim breach]

That fucking thing

I loved instantly failing missions because they didn't test how the Hive Lord would interact with it at all.

So the mission-critical vehicle would get launched by Shai-Hulud popping out from under it and die instantly, with literally zero way to prevent this from happening

[ivory swallow]

Ohhhh right

[cerulean sluice]

Truly a moment of all time

[dark plover]

Woah we did it. I went to bed last night unsure if we'd retake it in time.

[dark plover]

Are the servers down atm?

Yes they are

[karmic prawn]

I love how everyone in Super Earth is just bad at their job

[glacial light]

Don't you mean performing it by the democratic books

[karmic prawn]

I am amazed by Super Earth's ability to get everyone to perform at a consistent standard yes

[glacial light]

If you don't you get reeducated

The nail that sticks out gets the hammer unless youre a helldiver

We're like, haphazard nails on a baseball bat used to swing at enemies

[stark ether]

we're ablative ordinance spotters

is a difficult job to be inconsistant at over the course of 2 minutes

[glacial light]

Inb4 helldiver that brings 4 blues

[cobalt patrol]

also new MO

[cobalt patrol]

Ugh

Cremator into bugs would be a great idea

except for 2 things

One: Can't do shit to dragonroachs

b: teammates who think you're target practice >.<

[toxic socket]

Pretty fire
https://youtu.be/Kso0LPSrwdk

[cobalt patrol]

So uh, bugs are doing propaganda videos now?

[tight zephyr]

The hivemind is regaining sapience. It’s already exceeded that of an average influencer.

[idle hollow]

now all we need is an illuminate parody of the intro

[sweet surge]

https://youtu.be/evvaTTB5EBM

[oblique lotus]

you sly dog you almost got me

[cobalt patrol]

Sooooo... This was termininds hijacking the coms, wasnt it?

[agile fable]

yup

[karmic prawn]

I'm certain it was just a bug in the system

[dusty spruce]

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/FSF-14_Sprar

The Sprar

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge ban this man 😠

[stone bridge]

good jonk

[hexed steeple]

briar promote them

[cobalt patrol]

https://tenor.com/uQLx.gif

[stone bridge]

congratulations on your promotion to hell commander, soldier

[hexed steeple]

this curator team is pro-puns as an official stance

[karmic prawn]

Thank you sir, I vow to expend helldivers responsibly and for important Super Earth objectives like planting flags on bug planets

[cobalt patrol]

Pfft.

[weary granite]

Set them alight with the flames of democracy.

Or if you want to have a rather crispy bite, season them with gas and then set them ablaze.

[dark plover]

Double DoTs are pretty spicy indeed

[cobalt patrol]

Something very funny

Inflammable armor makes you basically immune to Dragonroachs

...but by the same token, teh cremator cant really do a lot to them

so it's just a very awkard staring mach with a lot of friendly fire

emphaisis on the fire

[glacial light]

You know what fire weapon does hurt a dragon roach

NEATs one shots a dragonroach last time I checked

[keen zinc]

NEAT is neat

[cobalt patrol]

Oh that's a good thing to know

[cobalt patrol]

https://preview.redd.it/4e1qll9moltg1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1cc95cae962faa6a24ddfcd28bc696282d50c15

From reddit, no sauce sadly

aha! source!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/gqj58Pzbnk?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=Helldivers&utm_content=t1_oepnd57

[agile fable]

i fucking love marfark

[tight zephyr]

Marfark is the first planet I deployed to back when I got the game.

[glacial light]

Man I realize shield nade just blocks a laser, wish I knew this during oops all harvestermania

[verbal summit]

Shield nade is great

I love my safety bubble it keeps me safe from all the evil outside like teammates

[glacial light]

I like using it to protect hellbombs or people doing terminals

Also you can do stupid things like run up to a factory strider/vox and shoot a leveler up towards the belly while being safe in a bubble.
My only thing is trying to throw it anywhere but right at your feet the bubble just sometimes is like 4 feet off where you threw it

[tight zephyr]

Yeah the shield nade is really nice for utility.

[glacial light]

Although giga grenade is also pretty great, if only it got more nades from boxes

My loadout for bots is basically big booms with leveler, silo, giga nade, hellbomb pack.

[verbal summit]

I like shield nade

So I can do stupid shit

I like when my screen turns yellow when I fire a leveller point blank

[dusty spruce]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/2sIVu1byZm

Gonna have to steal this fashion

[dark plover]

Yo I been sleepin on the Epoch. Pairs nicely with shield nades to get the breathing room to safely charge.

[cobalt patrol]

Epoch with supply pack, Big Nades (Or whatever destructive grenade you like), Silo and Leveller, +something like the purifier is an excellent Cyborg loadout

[dark plover]

For sure. The amount of sustained AT damage with that is insane.

If I wasn't tragically dependent on the Ultimatum, I'd consider running the Loyalist to triple down on plasma

[glacial light]

Supply pack and Big Nade is basically your AT

[cobalt patrol]

I legit think ulti is a good pick with that loadout, though i've been doing Purifier/Talon, because having an emergency blapper to take off cyborg headsi s good

Epoch is just genrally great ofr letting you clear crowds etc, you can be very liberal with it with a supply pack

[odd arch]

I warmed up to epoch on oshaune, and that was iirc in its release state

cracking charger backs with a single shot with 16? in reserve is nice

[zinc ledge]

I was doing some stealthy bot diving with friends and I think my personal go-to for that task is warp pack and railgun, it is funny the degree of positioning and precise necessary removal of enemies that is possible with that combination

And the dynamite stick grenades allow for very generous and delayed destruction of fabricators when needed too

[glacial light]

A similar thing to the dynamite for stealth is C4 where you ant several first then blow it all up at once

[stone bridge]

C4 is a bot front fav for me

[quick plinth]

I wish we got some more varieties of exo, like maybe a flamethrower? or perhaps a heavier lasercannon?

railgun?

like so many possibilities for "heavier/more mobile variant of a support weapon"

oh I know, Ontos Exo

6 recoilless rifles and like maybe a lengthy reload with total ammo of like 16?

-# I want more mechs in helldivers, this is completely not in any way linked to my battletech dive over the past month or so

[cobalt patrol]

Well, good news from the data mine fronts: ||there's two new exos in the files, one is shield + mg, the other is flamethrower + 120mm cannon||

[quick plinth]

||oh that's cool||

[keen zinc]

THE MIGHY ONTOS

[royal lantern]

Hear me out, Leveller Ontos

I feel like the logical progression from Ultimatum to Leveller is that there now has to be a deployable Davy Crockett emplacement

[zinc ledge]

But it takes up both your backpack and support weapon to use, it is a fair trade but one I usually prefer to avoid

They should make an exosuit with a giant jetpack

If they won't give it to us then at least make jetpack hulks for the jet brigade

[knotty folio]

Ontos Exo that can only be reloaded by a diver on foot behind the mech (either the dismounted pilot or an ally) would be extremely funny

So many squishing incidents

[zinc ledge]

A laser exomech would be a very interesting addition because then the current mechs sort of have a short runtime because they run out of ammo and then have little use afterward

[verbal summit]

They did actually make jetpack hulks

They're really funny

[royal lantern]

My worry with a laser exomech is that balancing around having an armored (relatively speaking) platform with unlimited ammo would mean AH would probably decide it ought not do a huge amount of damage

Alternatively, it does do a significant amount of damage except when it overheats the reactor explodes like a hellbomb

[zinc ledge]

I'd rather it then be either a 1 use stratagem or have the cooldown be so long that you basically can only call one in at the very start and then very end of a long mission

Maybe that's too extreme, but it's not like mechs are not still vulnerable on many fronts

you're armored but you are big and a easy target for bile, rockets, and powerful lasers

[royal lantern]

I think honestly that's why I would really rather not have any vehicle stratagem be 1 use

They're all liable to getting blown up by something random and then it might be really frustrating essentially having a dead strategem slot

[trail creek]

yo guys I found a playstyle I really enjoy but I don't know what armor to use, basically I just like covering my friends with the machine guns. you guys got recommendations?

[royal lantern]

Siege Ready, Engineering Kit, or Extra Padding all seem like good bets

Peak physique might also be something to consider but that's generally more for when you want to use one of the support machine guns as a mobile, primary style option

[oblique lotus]

demo protects or extra padding are also generically fine options

[dark plover]

For bots I like the super store "extra medium" armor that provides explosive resist, extra defense, and recoil reduction.

Run it with HMG and become a mobile turret

[dark plover]

Or squids you can run the standard MG at max RoF and it becomes a laser beam

[tight zephyr]

Peak Physique if you want to use your machine gun as your primary weapon.

Siege Ready is also a good pick, as mentioned.

[glacial light]

Extra medium armors are really nice, having above 100 armor gives you head armor while still having the mobility of medium. Padded armors tend to be goated for that.

Democracy protects is pretty good as what kills you often is like one big shot as chip damage isn't what kills you once get better at the game. Being able to coin flip that is primo

[steady flame]

Datamine question: ||Do we know if we're getting exosuit health buffs? Because wow they need it.||

[cobalt patrol]

We do not

the datamining doesnt usally contain that sort of detail

[steady flame]

Okei.

[strange vine]

https://youtu.be/a76K4KkcH7k

[tight zephyr]

The wind affecting the flames is really cool.

[hazy oriole]

I know the devs have said no air vehicles and I don't feel like there's enough water for a full on boat, but a light hovercraft that can cross the occaisional big stretch of water on jungle planets and such would be nice

[glacial light]

A light hovercraft that won't flip over cause of a stray pebble would be nice

Personal speeder with a side car

[knotty folio]

A combat Segway would be a great April Fools vehicle

[stark ether]

I think for next year they should make a free vehicle that handles perfectly had good arms and armor and then starting April 2nd they all just fall apart after driving 30 feet

[glacial light]

Dark matter segway

[glacial light]

Dark matter segway but it's RNG what the dark matter effet is from sudden speed boost in random direction, teleport, jump, be yeeted upwards, launches your diver.

[stark ether]

I think it would also be cool if each day one helldiver was made immune to death

Like

Just one random person wearing armor with democracy protects always has it proc

[zinc ledge]

A friend of mine had the one armor bonus that gives you a short lived second shot at life, and my other friend just kept shooting him with the stim pistol and they made it to extraction

So my one friend briefly became a necromancer, which is a sort of immortality for his "thrall"

[quick plinth]

I just wish the stim pistol had guidance

it'd make it infinitely more usable in the hectic environment that is helldivers missions

there's no time to line up a shot on a friendly while youre getting assaulted and theyre dodging for their life just like you might be

[glacial light]

I'd even say similar lock on to warrant

[tight zephyr]

I should give the Wasp another swing. I never really had much luck with it before but people say it’s good.

[keen zinc]

@weary granite is a wasp truther

[glacial light]

Definitely on illuminate

If you use the modes right it racks up kills like wild, you could solo a vote less horde with a shot of artillery mode. Burst mode spamming it kills a healthy harvester

Usually, there are times I fire the mag and harvester is on death's door

[tall stone]

Wasp is great against Illuminate.

Haven't gotten to try it against the newer units, but it just bodies everything else.

[tight zephyr]

I usually bring the Maxigun for Illuminate because

Well, I don’t think I need to explain that one.

[glacial light]

Its also goated for illuminate

[glacial light]

I like to bring it on the squid defense since you dont need to move and you could just brrrt while laying down on a high point

[unreal merlin]

Wasp is awesome as a force multiplier tool. It's not going to replace proper AT, but if the rest of the team has their heads screwed on right and can handle that stuff, wasp is GREAT for thinning the hordes of medium+ enemies

Learn which enemies need 1 or 2 rockets and just tap them from afar

Overseers get dunked on but the rest of illuminate units don't really care

Imo is best in bugs. Kills hive guards, nursing/bile spewers, alpha commanders in 2-3. Can be reliable vs bile titans (try to hit the head) and chargers in a pinch. Surprisingly effective vs dragonroaches (amazing tracking while it flies, destroys the wings for easy kill)

[glacial light]

I mean you don't really need AT for squids

[unreal merlin]

I had the new mech faction in mind tbh cuz that's what I recently tested it vs

If it's vanilla squids then yeah just dunk the overseers

[tall stone]

It also dunks on the fleshmobs.

[blissful sparrow]

wasp into bugs is great on the world where you just can't see shit.
Just click on the green triangle every 2 or 3 seconds and something dies

[unreal merlin]

Related, but that smart pistol from the store is fun to use in bot-occupied mega cities because of how many Raider groups there are

[glacial light]

I always bring warrant to planets with storms for that reason

You can avoid patrols by checking where the lockons are or if you're under fire then start blind firing into the haze and if you get an armor deflect ping then pull out AT

[glacial light]

I haven't tried it against the mechs, I'd assume it'd be good if it targets the pilot and pops the shield

[unreal merlin]

It does not

[glacial light]

RIP

[unreal merlin]

Given the gross abundance of overseers and those new flying drones you'd think it would be great, but it simply doesn't have the ammo capacity to keep up. 7 rockets does not cut it

[glacial light]

That's fair, theyre quite a bit more spread out than voteless for artillery mode

[unreal merlin]

I can't think of any time I would want to ever use artillery mode aside whimsy

[glacial light]

Grpous of overseers and voteless

[unreal merlin]

I'd rather use a single rocket to kill the overseer(s) and we'll deal with the voteless if we need to, they don't deserve a rocket

[strange vine]

artillery mode needs an overhaul

[weary granite]

I just want it so that the Wasp fires its rockets into the sky then it rains down directly on top of the target.

Sure it doesn't strike weakpoints and always goes for center mass, but the random pathing that makes it fly into the GROUND in front of me is more than a bit annoying.

I would honestly prefer if the two modes for Wasp are just Focus and Spread.

• Focus - Lock on ONE target and fire all rockets on them.
• Spread - Locks on MULTIPLE targets (usually one per rocket) and then fire them all to spread them out.

[unreal merlin]

Unfortunately as far as I know there's a 0% chance of legendary warbond gear reworks

[tight zephyr]

The swarm mode is better than the arty mode.

[weary granite]

Still wish it.

[graceful bluff]

So first time they started flying, second time they started digging

What's next, fuckin' teleporting?

[weary granite]

Nah, we get a terminid with a gun.

Like a scavenger swarm gonna pull up with our own peacemakers and redeemers and put a few rounds into us.

[graceful bluff]

Three scavengers working a liberator like a gunner crew

[blissful sparrow]

Charger with a hell bomb in its maw as it runs at you

[burnt vapor]

Tbf I think only the flying was our fault, the digging was the bugs own initiative

[glacial light]

Explosive strain, all of them explode when killed or attack

[glacial light]

3 hunters in a trenchcoat that's riding a liberator dog

[blissful sparrow]

thats just spore warriors and spore chargers already

[cobalt patrol]

That's the spore strain already though

[tall stone]

No, we get more bugs making propaganda while eating apples.

[graceful bluff]

ah genestealers

[tight zephyr]

Bugs that spawn other bugs, like a Factory Strider does for the bots.

[graceful bluff]

Commanders :v

[tight zephyr]

Yeah but like more.

And grosser. Bile titan that's constantly dropping dozens of Spitters.

[blissful sparrow]

you want this?

[tight zephyr]

Yeah.

[glacial light]

Oh yes bile titan spitter artillery but the spit is spore strain

[strange vine]

Posted on the helldivers 2 twitter
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFyz1BhWkAAe_Um.jpg
Scratched out code is the same as lumberer from hd1

[glacial light]

Cavedivers rejoice at flamethrower mech

[dusty spruce]

Yes! Finally! It's a shame it won't have the snoot it had in HD1, but the Lumberer was my main.
Wore the Pilot armor with it an everything. Loved that thing. So hyped for it to come back. Even if the cannon isn't as strong as the Bastion, the elevated height should make it a beast.

[dark plover]

Gonna run that on my Salamander/Cremator build so I can be a flamer mech piloting a flamer mech.

[blissful sparrow]

what if there was war and noone went to it

[glacial light]

I like when I'm extracting from squids but no enemy reinforcements show up during the entire time. Did they like to give up or run out of units

[spare verge]

I think how it works is that patrols either spawn near enemy outposts or the map edge, but if you're close enough to the map edge with all enemy outposts cleared it just doesn't spawn anything

[glacial light]

That makes sense, a lot of the the semi-city maps are like 3 city centers then flat everything for miles

[hazy oriole]

oughhhh pleaseeeee i need it in my hands asap i love the patriot and emancipator but my mech gameplay NEEDS variety

[glacial light]

I love Emancipator for all things bugs, but I lose so many arms when I fire the cannon and the gun has clipped through the wall so it blows up the arm. I need a flamethrower mech

Cremator might be a better option but ive been enjoying hot dog and torcher combo with heavy fire armor for super fire and space forNEATs

[weary granite]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-pyro-burn-it-down-ashes-gif-5632946

Finally. The All-Fire Build.

[dark plover]

MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD

[blissful sparrow]

Notably this was an exterminate mission. Which meant we straight up lost cause there wasn't any enemies to kill left after the initial wave 🙃

[glacial light]

Chat I had an evil thought Dragon Roach Stalker

[weary granite]

Semi-related but only because I made Super Earth in Stellaris. My Ironman run got ruined because Super Earth fuckin opened the L-Gates too early and set the Grey Tempest on the galaxy before any of us were ready.

Lore Accurate Super Earth

[delicate aspen]

even cross games, super earth knows how to fuck shit up in unforeseen ways

[weary granite]

I swear, they did this because I controlled two L-Gates. I can't prove it, but I know.

[tight zephyr]

What’s the over-under on the Termicide 2 causing them to mutate unpredictably? I trust the Ministry of Science in this.

[strange vine]

dont worry about it™

[warped cradle]

Making the same mistake twice is impossible I'm pretty sure

[strange vine]

<@&1206091872716595200> is anyone up for some diving?

[warped cradle]

I'm a bit late but I'll play a bit

[glacial light]

Super earth has investigated these claims and have found them false as the mutations were simply due tl unrelated coincidencal fascist Terminid reasons. Please remain in the area while your democracy is arriving

I vote for Stalker strain with titan stalkers, dragon stalkers, spewers stalkers, and shrieker stalkers

[stark ether]

I vote it causes hallucinations and you sometimes see bugs as helldivers and sometimes see helldivers as bugs

full on ss13/barotrauma psycosis

[glacial light]

Bugs stole hd1 illuminate tech

[strange vine]

here https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1494512051861717143

[weary granite]

Eating breakfast but if I finish fast and you still playing I should be up.

[strange vine]

unforch had to stop

[weary granite]

Yeah is rough, I had to do something else after breakfast.

[karmic prawn]

I personally think the failure of the original termicide project was due to the terminids maliciously concealing the full extent of their genome

[weary granite]

Nah, it is because the termicide was using the now obsolete B-Gone chemical formula.

Cutting costs by reusing old products. Smh.

[delicate aspen]

lmao what, classic arrowhead

[weary granite]

Ah yes, I love as_story_main_arc6_12_intro_short

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1skfjz6/i_got_fucking_abducted/

[tight zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324119716285120532/1493985392519549029/ezgif-5a60b1fbf1eb5441.gif

[idle hollow]

What the FUCK

[glacial light]

New class unlocked: Voteless

[tight zephyr]

Item lost: right to vote

[glacial light]

I discovered a well placed arc nade just can decimate drone hordes on appropriators

Also guard dog once again MVP on them, I don't think ive been shot once by even the densest swarm with this combo

[tight zephyr]

Yeah, I was doing some experiments with arc generally against them and had some really good results.

[cobalt patrol]

Note to self: forgetting to swtich from your light flamethrwoer armor to your medium extra padding armor makes using an autocannon way more dangerous

[delicate aspen]

whats a little close range fragging, as a little treat

i usually made that mistake with the OG grenade launcher

[tight zephyr]

I use the grenade launcher a lot.

It's really good for clearing out shitty little dudes, so it's valuable on all three fronts.

Although I tend to prefer taking something with better AT capability for bots because of War Striders.

[strange vine]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone wanna play? 2 slots open

[split parcel]

I might be down in a bit if you still have slots

[strange vine]

sure, eta?

[split parcel]

Maybe 30 minutes?

No worries if not

[strange vine]

will prolly be still playing

[strange vine]

game crash so prolly gonna stop for now, sorry

[split parcel]

nah youre good i had a fish tank emergency anyway

[trim breach]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-hate-the-fucking-eagles-man-the-dude-the-eagles-gif-14508168

[idle hollow]

scraw

[weary granite]

These motha fuckin eagles really like lining up a shot for a multi-kill.

Me being included in said multi-kill.

[trim breach]

Eagles wiped 3/4 while on the landing pad waiting for extract after the destroyer left

With like 20 seconds left

[strange vine]

the appropriators + mindless masses planet ended up disappointing because it was literally just regular illuminate lol, no appropriators units

[glacial light]

I kind of wished appropriators were just part of illuminate just at a lesser rate than than modifier. They definitely need more unit variety

[weary granite]

Tbh I was expecting Appropriators + Mindless Masses to really be like Hordes of Obtusers and Voteless

Me: I need the highest fire rate weapon or your biggest splash weapon right fucking now.

But nah, I'm kinda disappointed.

[blissful sparrow]

i remember saying this when they released 😄
variety for squids means only deploying 5 of the 8 enemy types rather than all 8

[dark plover]

Mindless masses feels kinda like a nice break. Appropriators I don't find particularly fun. The new mecha squids are well designed and fun to fight, but the rest of the unit composition is kind of annoying.

[unreal merlin]

Arc thrower plus arc dog was doing great work for me on appropriator 10s (especially when I got an arc thrower teammate too)

The arcs can stun the crabs and easily chain obtruders

It's not high speed but the infinite ammo means you can hold your ground rather well

[dark plover]

Full arc team comp with the arc resist armor sounds really fun.

[unreal merlin]

I actually don't like the arc armor but arc teams are fun

Just have good discipline to not arc your teammates, and don't put yourself in positions where teammates might arc you

[stone bridge]

autocannon minces everything in Appropriators in short order

[verbal summit]

I arced my teammate in the head yesterday due to unfortunate circumstances

It was really funny the way they stood literally 0.3m from my barrel when I fired

Also I tanked an EAT

[cobalt patrol]

Munchy munchy munchy

it's so nice

[tight zephyr]

Two whole hours!

[glacial light]

PTSD leave is such comedic whiplash satire whoever writes these is putting their all into it

Also the last line for some reason makes me want to write a "shadows die twice" joke but "voters processed twice"

[dark plover]

"Liquidated during the conflict" is such a vile double entendre I can't help but respect it

[glacial light]

I loved how they chose to use the word "processed" for post mortem citizen benefits for the liquified citizens processed into voteless

Real vote-slop

[glacial light]

Also usually when I see genetics in sci-fi its either super-soldier genes or psychics

Im waiting for a psychic warbond

[split parcel]

tried breaker incendiary on a whim for mindless masses

nooooooot all that good

didn't feel super good at least

[tall stone]

Did you do the time honored strategy of pepper the crowd, and run for a bit to let the fire kill them?

[split parcel]

I did. There were just more crowds

You can kill a fleshmob decently quickly with it at least

[hazy oriole]

lumberer announcement tomorrow...please...it's all i got going for me right now i need this please....

[weary granite]

Tbh, I am fine with them taking a break on the Warbonds in favor of going on the bug hunt and bug fixing ong.

Please

I still see Flesh Mobs ascending from the ground as if they were taking lessons from the Rupture Bugs.

[cobalt patrol]

roadmap was pretty c lear we get a warbond this month

[glacial light]

Lumber mech in june

[cobalt patrol]

I kinda expect Warbond annoucnment tonight

and/or trailer

and then it launching late next week

that or a "hey, patch delayed" post

[verbal summit]

I wonder what would be it

Im no longer getting every warbond for lack of time

But if it's interesting enough I'll bite

[weary granite]

We need a warbond based around calling in support.

Armor Buff is decreased Stratagem cooldowns + whatever other bonus

Grenade is a smoke signal for off-map SEAF Artillery to fire a single High-Explosive.

Stratagem is calling for a SEAF Squad reinforcement.

Booster is Stronger Together, where allies grouped together deal more damage. This works for Turrets and aforementioned SEAF Squad.

[graceful bluff]

I really want an experimental 2

like them looking at the swarming squid units and going "why don't we make a drone swarm of our own"

[blissful sparrow]

Seeker Cluster grenade go

[graceful bluff]

Walking dog barrage, just calling down like ~10 dog drones that move forward for a while

[blissful sparrow]

Mine strategem, but it just releases 10 dogs into the area

[glacial light]

Seeker cluster stratagem that deploy via mine place except they immediately fly after a second

[weary granite]

What if!

"Dog House" Stratagem

It is a "Turret" type stratagem, but it is actually a mount to attach a Dog Backpack to, turning it into a permanently active turret that guards the area.

It uses two stratagem slots yes but it gives you the benefit of a turret that has permanent uptime.

Plus when you inevitably die and you need a backpack to help protect your ass you can find the nearest Dog House and pick up your buddy backpack.

[glacial light]

I'd love dog house

[blissful sparrow]

Dog that carries a superheavy MG for us to use like an emplacement, but can't fire on its own

[glacial light]

But like it drops the dog house and 3 dogs go around and patrol around it and reload at the house which is stationary and if destroyed the dogs can't reload

[glacial light]

Mortar dog when

[weary granite]

I would want this stratagem unironically.

[glacial light]

I'm quite surprised that isn't like a manual mortar type encampment

[blissful sparrow]

just a matter of time, HD1 had the rumbler

[weary granite]

Yeah but HD1 had a good Constitution and Stratagem launchers for the mechs and in HD2 they got shafted.

Sooooooo.

[blissful sparrow]

there is no connection between those

[glacial light]

I wish you could call in reinforcements on mechs at least

[blissful sparrow]

"the numbers on this thing are lower so this item can't exist" is such nonsense

[odd arch]

a turret that accepts any support weapon and backpack but can't reload them would be a fun way to put spare call-ins to use

so it would be a pretty reasonable turret with most weapons, but if you want a SPEAR bot you have to reload the launcher for it whenever you pass it

also giving it the directional shield to hold would be funny

[blissful sparrow]

DE sickle for the funnies

[graceful bluff]

I still really want more arc stuff

[odd arch]

a cool departure would be continuous fire arc methinks

starts with a spread of weak beams like the blitzer but they're held instead of instant, and coalesce on a single target over time

[graceful bluff]

I either want an continuous arc thrower, or just one big fuckoff lightning bolt a la the quasar

[weary granite]

Give me the Arc Gauntlets. I want to zap the bots like I'm Palpatine and they are Mace Windu.

[karmic prawn]

New "minefield" stratagem that deploys 4 gundogs to roam the area

[graceful bluff]

The Kennel

[karmic prawn]

Looking forward to them someday making the Last Bark, an ultimatum equipped guard dog

[strange vine]

https://youtu.be/kK10IoDsiZ0
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/623327006824596290

[steep hound]

at last

Lancer warbond

aw I was hoping the armors were gonna be mech-enhancing passives of some kind

[odd arch]

disposable MG with TWO PER DROP RAAAAHHHH

[blissful sparrow]

SHIELD MECH SHIELD MECH SHIELD MECH
Holy fuck i'm hyped

i've used the ballistic shield so much recently as a fun into bugs its gonna be glorious

[odd arch]

I don't expect much from the shield but it seems to have a melee attack

which is hell yeah

[blissful sparrow]

ooooh the SMG is a knight variant.
Knight, my beloved ministalwart

and a lockon missile pistol

[steep hound]

my problem with this is that i never really make builds entirely geared around having a mech that aren't specifically for Hive Worlds
otherwise im only bringing them on 12-15 minute missions

i was kind of hoping the armors would have a mech-boost passive as an incentive to actually make a mech build

[strange vine]

Mechs need a health buff at minimum

[steep hound]

is this a bad idea

[strange vine]

Id personally use peak physique to improve the ergo of both dcs and re

[steep hound]

I guess it also improves the melee of Entrenchment Tool if i really want to do so lmao

[odd arch]

I have a grudge against mortars but could be funny on the right planets

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, that's a pretty big perk

[idle hollow]

p90
gyrojet pistol
lumberer :)
the mgx-42 from 1
shield mech

[oblique lotus]

I think focusing on staying in one spot isn't super useful on a lot of missions because you need to go to the objectives and also because being able to manuever away from and around enemies is very powerful

[weary granite]

I will hold my opinions until I see that shield's statline when it releases.

[cobalt patrol]

" The star-crossed trail calls to mind the special kind of Freedom that can only be achieved by going very fast in very expensive state-owned vehicles."

Thumb of Approval is probably going on my emote bar and never coming off

I may have to give up the dr livesy walk.

[oblique lotus]

exosuit certified lol

[royal lantern]

Huh, I think these armors might prove to be remarkably popular in general

With how scanty movement speed increases are generally

[steep hound]

I mean it seems like a roundly good passive i just wanted something actually Exo Suit related

[hazy oriole]

Same, and I'm a bit bummed that the lumberer's in the warbond, was holding out hope it'd be free

[royal lantern]

Yeah, in general I will admit this warbond feels kind of nasty because it both finally kills any hope of exo customization and feels like even more evidence they're just not really adding free stratagems like they used to

[hazy oriole]

I don't think they're ncessarily giving up on free strats, the Bastion was free after all, but I am a bit tired of the heavy focus on warbonds when it comes to new playerside content, especially because of how they teased the lumberer beforehand

[royal lantern]

Yeah that's more what I mean, I think after we started getting strats in warbonds we saw a decrease in free ones, which ultimately makes sense because they can only come up with, add, and balance so much new content that is also distinct from existing

It's just frustrating

[dark plover]

I wonder if they'll adjust the mech HP/armor alongside this release.

[strange vine]

Hopefully

[graceful bluff]

I'm surprised they were allowed to call it the bullet storm though

[dark plover]

Maybe Epic doesn't care about their IP outside of Fortnite anymore 😂

[graceful bluff]

It's more that a real life weapon concept, using the same style of firing, was also called the bullet storm

[blissful sparrow]

you are thinking of Metal storm

[graceful bluff]

oh right

[odd arch]

the developers of Bulletstorm aren't suing because the response would be "the developers of what?"

[graceful bluff]

either way I hope the machineguns have a decent cooldown, could definitely use it in my all expendable kit

[blissful sparrow]

the developers of bulletstorm couldn't sue because thats not how copyright works

[odd arch]

shush

[tight zephyr]

The developers of what?

[odd arch]

[split parcel]

I'm just happy for more mechs tbh. Excited to try em out

[dark plover]

I'm kind of curious about the pocket wasp too

[dark plover]

Depending on the range and damage, could make for a great elevated overseer and watcher killer

[supple siren]

The pistol and the stratagem have me curious, doooo wish at least one of the mechs were free or both ideally but alas

[oblique lotus]

ill probably get it, it seems fun

[glacial light]

Ah yesss disposable MG

And it looks weird, big fan. Didn't expect metal storm on top of a rifle

[hazy oriole]

aw MAN, i just realized
with mech customization likely completely off the table now i'll never have my dream anti-appriopriator mech in a patriot with two gatling guns

[glacial light]

I hope the shield mech is like an armor tier above the regular mechs overall on every part, ime what gets mechs often is the arms being blown off means they're useless even if the mech is fine.

[dusty spruce]

Need

[strange vine]

it at the very least has a enough damage to completely gib a brood commander, so youre looking at upwards of 800+ damage

[weary granite]

With mech customization down the drain with this update, we will probably kiss goodbye any possible hope for vehicle customization and ship customization.

[glacial light]

As a warrant fan I'm big excited about pocket wasp

I love deleting watchers in a second by spam firing

[spare verge]

I'm not really caught up with arrowhead's communications outside of what gets posted here, have they made any promises regarding mech/vehicle/ship customization or is it just something a lot of players want?

[steep hound]

the latter im pretty sure

i certainly don't remember AH ever saying it was something they were actively planning or developing

[graceful bluff]

Have they said literally anything about the vehicle bay

Or any more upgrades for that matter

[royal lantern]

No, I don't believe so. I think it was just people getting their hopes up since they created the weapon customization system, which admittedly also doesn't let you customize strat weapons either

[glacial light]

I think also it seems from hd1 which had customization for both weapons and mechs

Which while I'd love vehicle customization I'd kill for secondary customization

Even if it's just sights

Currently I just mod in sights but that's not really an option for console players

[graceful bluff]

I just want upgrades to put all my samples in, preferably ones that make my mechs and tanks not have light armor

[south temple]

i wonder what the superstore gear and armor are gonna be

[glacial light]

I'd kill for mech arms that aren't made of paper too

I can't see myself playing anything that isn't the emancipator on bugs cause you can create an AoE zone of staggerlock by spamming a shot into the ground at your feet every second. The moment I let up a hunter tears off an arm in one shot it feels like

Which is a shame cause I do love the idea of flamethrower/cannon or shield/Flak although I imagine the latter is like designed for bots

Or appropriators, I bet flak shredding an observer swarm would feel so cathartic

[stone bridge]

the warbond patch will absolutely buff mech health lol

[south temple]

the 4 mech build is gonna go crazy

[glacial light]

Funny with how they revently indirectly nerfed mechs by increasing enemy durable damage

[glacial light]

You know what that's so true

3 mechs and hellbomb

If my mech fails me, I got the bomb

[blissful sparrow]

HD1 loadouts with just bringing 4 of the same mech were always funny

[glacial light]

Oh I didn't realize hd1 let you have dupes

So you could have bought like 4 EATs?

[burnt vapor]

Yes

Resupply also was a stratagem that you needed to take

[glacial light]

Ngl I wouldnt have taken it

I feel like cause others have it, I just get ground pickups for all of my needs since no one else really seems to

But I also run a speed build so going out of my way a bit to get a pile of drops takes very little time

[oblique lotus]

HD1 also had vehicles be a one-and-done

same with a lot of support weapons

[burnt vapor]

Ground drops were a lot rarer in HD1 and due to the nature of the game you physically could not split off the main group

[glacial light]

I meant in hd2

If it were not free and something you had to take I would not

[graceful bluff]

I do hope they bring back dupes, cause every time it's possible with a bug it's really fun

having it be a feature also means you could do it in a more balanced way

[glacial light]

Imagine 16 eats per match

[knotty folio]

16 EATs with Napalm Hellpods

[strange vine]

you could, but only a few equipment strats were "rechargeable" like EATs and you only had one call in for them

if you lose your recoilless then fuck you youre not getting another one unless you run back to where you dropped it

also resupply strat took up one of your 4 slots

[weary granite]

No one but me wanted to be Logi back in HD1

[glacial light]

I hope the new expendable mg is med pen or more

I kind of find it odd you get 2 though, I get it for EATs and NEATs cause you use it all immediately with one shot then pickup the other one

[unreal merlin]

HD1 high difficulty extermination meta was for all four players to bring 4x Shredder Missile Strikes (nukes) and just keep taking turns throwing them to the other side of the arena.

[dark plover]

All these new expendables really make me want for more viable hellpod boosters.

I'd settle for the resupply turret getting slightly detuned and applied to all pod call-ins honestly.

[hearty pier]

Even if you are only grabbing one to go it's still extra value for your team or if you need to double back

[tall stone]

EATs will always help your team.

[glacial light]

No one ever seems to pick up the spare EATs even if theyre support weapon less

There's like 8 containers between EATs, NEATs, and Leveller there so much to take I'm running 3 for a reason please take some (it was just a fun build to try)

[strange vine]

Hd1 expendable mg had 400 rounds upgraded and 1800 rpm, so you could chew through it very quickly

[knotty folio]

I kind of like it honestly, it makes for an interesting textural difference to a standard MG if you're losing some of your ammo capacity by moving around but can stack it up quickly in one location

[oblique lotus]

I'm assuming that the disposable MGs you're burning them pretty fast

kind of a large variable

[knotty folio]

More for me, love running back through somewhere I've been and just quickfiring EATs off the ground

[tall stone]

"I can't kill all these heavy units!"

"500 EATs"

[glacial light]

Ah I go in routes that never circle back, unless I'm taking a very long detour away from teammates

[tall stone]

I admittedly do EATs when I'm doing my usual solo stealthy away from folks

[tight zephyr]

EATs, or as I like to call them, "OUR anti-tank."

[graceful bluff]

You piledriver the first charger with the pod, pick up an eat, shoot the second charger, then bring along the second eat in case you meet a third :v

[warped cradle]

New armor passive has me salivating but is it gonna be much different than just an inverse of Extra Padding?

"More protection for the same mobility" vs. "More mobility for the same protection" I'm curious to see how Arrowhead sorts it out

More movement tech always makes me happy tho

[glacial light]

If it was like movement based animations played faster that would be huge

[rotund marten]

I will take anything that makes me go faster

gimme the speed perk on the light armour

[glacial light]

Kind of why I run light medic, stim booster and you're zooming

Running out of stamina? No im not takes drugs

[zinc ledge]

Still would like to see an engineer's backpack that came with a welding torch or something and could fix damaged vehicles

Welding torch could probably also double as a short ranged weapon in desperate circumstances

[tight zephyr]

Nanite Repair Spray.

Then again we don't really have nanomachine stuff in Helldivers.

[dark plover]

That would be awesome. Would be perfectly balanced too since vehicles already have limited ammo supply

[zinc ledge]

There's 2 ways it could go for me, either letting us repair or rearm vehicles, but probably not both

But right now there's sort of a invisible timer, your vehicle will eventually die, either by chip damage or some big attack, or you run out of ammo and abandon the vehicle anyway

Being able to repair damage would be more forgiving, but being able to resupply ammo can potentially have a higher skill ceiling I think

Mechs could also really do with the ability for nearby divers to jockey on the sides or something

naturally it's easier to list ideas than apply them though

thing is, right now operating a mech nearby divers has some issues in terms of avoiding squishing your buddies without dilligent coordination imo

[dark plover]

Maybe the "grab on" prompt could have more range than the stomp collision box, and the diver could get immunity from the mech during the mounting animation.

[stark ether]

that is cut perfectly

[tight zephyr]

“A-“

[steady flame]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/qrBMY4eoUN

What do you mean the fucking PILOT isn’t a fatal weak spot????

Is he just there to man the propaganda mic and land like a fucking jdam on our head when the vox engine explodes???

[tight zephyr]

Ye

[glacial light]

I guess thats the Vox

Engine is the guns/entire body guy?

[oblique lotus]

I think its also that the sarcophagus is very heavily armored

[strange vine]

the other problem with the vox engine is that the turrets have 8000 HP

so theres no point shooting at them to destroy them

unlike the factory strider's turret

[hazy oriole]

I'd argue the Vox turrets are a lot scarier than the factory striders too, they have less of a blindspot and I'm sure they shoot way faster too

[stone bridge]

thats kinda the point yeah

[keen zinc]

yeah

remember: they pack a motherfuckin chainsaw

and also: its just one of those days

Fred Durst Vox Engines will forever remain in my memory

Cyberstan will forever be the Durstening to me

[hazy oriole]

lol

[keen zinc]

genuinely made the whole thing like 1000% more fun

[delicate aspen]

"defensive evolutionary pivot"

fuckers boutta get bio cannons huh

[cobalt patrol]

We know from data mines what it is

[quick plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffWTYvxlTYk

[graceful bluff]

Now I just want a helldivers animated version of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fju9o8BVJ8

[dark plover]

CyDurstan

[glad marsh]

oh hey

lumberer is back

[keen zinc]

[steady flame]

Question. What are the good SC farming planets right now?

[steady flame]

We know grand errant is one

[graceful bluff]

basically any desert planet without rocks

oh I thought the warbond was out rip

[cobalt patrol]

28th

[keen zinc]

I'm hoping for a comprehensive patch to get me to play again

A warbond isn't gonna cut it especially a vehicle based one

[cobalt patrol]

What are you wanting from the patch to be comprehensive?

My white whale is a booster rework, which seems ever more distant

[strange vine]

theyre at least buffing the mechs

[split parcel]

do we know that for sure?

[agile fable]

why would they release a mech warbond and not buff the mechs?

[stone bridge]

we don't, but there have been posts on their discord indicating its being looked into, and to be frank, I think there'd be pretty severe backlash if they didn't and arrowhead are quite aware of that

mechs have been undertuned since the Bastion got released and they made that ill-advised change to enemy durable damage across the board which really impacted mech survivability

[steady flame]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/0Yhe83zhsx

[glacial light]

Also moon planets since they're flat and have no weather so it's easy to spot a bunker from far away

[stone bridge]

eyyy there we go

[warped cradle]

Anyone else noticing that a lot of HD2 discourse usually ends with a guy posting a video and saying "this guy makes good points"?

It's really frustrating trying to talk to someone only for them to shove a video in my face

[spare verge]

thankfully I have not, because I only perceive it through here

but yeah that's really annoying

[tall stone]

I admit most of the HD2 discourse I've been exposed to recently has either been here or with a friend who says that Diff 10 is bullshit unfair and not fun but refused to lower difficulty.

[spare verge]

-# if perhaps refreshingly honest compared to poorly trying to parrot the arguments in the video

[warped cradle]

I feel like it's gotten a lot worse, especially with the new warbond being announced

There's definitely a trend of people who are, let's say, "strongly opinionated" on the game having their opinions told to them by YouTubers, streamers, other talking heads

[spare verge]

you could extend that to a lot of games

[tall stone]

You can extend that to a lot of things, but that's just a whole different channel.

[warped cradle]

I was trying to engage with someone on how I thought the pacifier was an alright gun, didn't even pretend to engage with me and just posted a YT video which was a little over 10 minutes of why the pacifier is a bad gun, actually.

I know it's not an issue exclusive to Helldivers, but I feel that it's particularly bad here

[tall stone]

The pacifier is the light armor pen AR with innately high damage, right?

I have my two guns with the Eruptor and the lighting shotgun.

[warped cradle]

I think you're talking about the tenderizer, the pacifier is the Force of Law AR

The one with stun

[tall stone]

Ahhhh

[graceful bluff]

The pacifier has the lowest damage of any primary afaik :v

It still does work though

[tight zephyr]

Tendie is a good rifle, I use it often.

[split parcel]

Im a big fan of pacifier

[tight zephyr]

Pacifier's okay. I've used it a lot against squids.

[split parcel]

Ive also been enjoying the Redacted Regiment gas sidearm on my medic loadout, feels solid on bugs for peeling for teammates

[tight zephyr]

I never considered that use. I'll have to keep that in mind.

Along the same lines, have any of you found a good use for the harpoon gun?

[strange vine]

Its a good crowd control while still killing mediums really well

Its got a bit more power than safe mode railgun so it can one shot devastators and hulk heads while it has a fuckload of stagger to make even bile titans stagger, and also can destroy spawners

[tight zephyr]

Oh, I didn't know about that last part.

Interesting, maybe I'll give it some more testing later.

[unreal merlin]

harpoon fills a similar gun niche to railgun, but it has ridiculous stagger force so it can interrupt animations

and yeah demo force so you can pop holes/fabs/ships

[strange vine]

The gas explosion also counts for forcing up rupture strain

Its a railgun that trades ammo and reload speed and overcharge damage for demo force and gas CC

[unreal merlin]

it's definitely a thing you bring to a team that's already covering the necessary bases though (if high difficulty, like bringing AT for things)

railgun has a different kind of versatility cuz safe mode lets you easily kill pretty much any medium enemy and then you can unsafe it for specific things like destroying base turrets by the heat vents

[tight zephyr]

It's a lot more versatile than I thought it was, certainly.

I'll bring it along next time I'm playing, see if I can't get use out of it.

[unreal merlin]

railgun was doing GREAT for me on incineration bots the other day

safe mode, just chaining headshots on the million devastators from 200m away

[split parcel]

really just a lot of utility, solid damage, amazing stagger, solid peel without taking up a backpack slot

pretty much everything already mentioned

[dark plover]

If you run Supply Pack with it you have enough ammo to effectively CC incoming hordes by just shooting the ground and spawning the gas clouds

[split parcel]

i like to be self sufficient with randoms so i don't aaaalways take it, I usually take something that's more dedicated AT for my weapon stratagem, but I've never been disappointed with it

[split parcel]

yeah for a bit my bug medic loadout ran harpoon gun

with supply pack*

[tight zephyr]

Ah, yeah it would synergize well witha a supply pack.

[blissful sparrow]

someone in my playgroup uses it alot and really the only weakness it has is that it keeps almost killing me with the gas clouds it leaves behind

[split parcel]

currently i've been using epoch with supply pack on bugs and have been greatly enjoying it

[strange vine]

Also something to note is the gas aoe is much larger than the actual cloud effect is

[dark plover]

I run this on Bots and the sheer amount of AT damage you can dish out over time is ridiculous.

Does fully charged Epoch kill bug holes from the outside?

[split parcel]

I belieeeeve so

i gave the medic loadout a run on bots too with the same epoch + supply pack and it goes hard

two taps war striders in the eye, oneshots hulks in the eye, its awesome

[glacial light]

Based eruptor/Blitzer enjoyer

I've always been an eruptor Stan, recently found a good amount of fun with sweeper for bugs once I got the full choke but I just go back to Blitzer for bugs

[tall stone]

Eruptor is my go to for bots, blitzer gets Bugs and Squids.

Because the Blitzer Just Works.

OPS, Gas Strike, EATS, Jetpack or Dog in Light Scout Armor.

Oh, and Gas Grenades.

Annnnd Grenade Pistol if I'm Blitzer.

[glacial light]

How does the Blitzer do against appropriators

[knotty folio]

Not particularly well, from when I tested it - Obtruders are either resistant to arc damage or just tanky enough it really can't keep up with clearing them, and it's useless against the rest of the lineup

Punisher Plasma has snuck into some of my loadouts since the buff, it's a lot of fun against squids and bugs and even decent into bots

[dark plover]

PP is great at staggering the cyborgs

[tight zephyr]

I gave the harpoon gun another go and yeah it’s way more versatile than I thought.

[unreal merlin]

It's a little clunky and really likes to be paired with a supply pack. But it does bring a neat versatility to supplement a team. Or if you're just playing on like 7 or lower it kinda just works like a railgun and you can do whatever.

There is a primal satisfaction in running around literally spear-hunting scavengers and raiders.

[knotty folio]

I like the Speargun if I'm not relying on a support weapon to fill a specific niche (or if I need to kill Hulks specifically, like on Hulk Surge), it's just handy utility

If you're just pulling it out to quickshot random heavies or put a gas cloud down in a choke it's quite generous on ammo

[cobalt patrol]

I am scratching my head at your "friend"

[odd arch]

tbh dif10 is kinda bullshit and unfair if you play it normally

and trivial if you adopt the clownset

it's a strange vast difference between obvious and optimal playstyles

ok actually I don't want to call optimal play the clownset, my playstyle deserves that name

optimal play looks ridiculous but it works

I'm bored of winning so not only am I ridiculous but it's also not working

[stone bridge]

just don't do that then

[odd arch]

I'd rather be funny than successful

it's funny, with games I feel I've mastered I devolve into fucking around mode because I know I can lock in and win so it's not particularly rewarding

and I get teams with 4+ times my playtime who rage the moment they hit a hurdle

[cobalt patrol]

I'm curious what you think this looks like?

Like I've got a bunch of different load outs I've used to good effect on d10

Hells,I even made the cremator work after bringing it instead of my RR the other day

(turns out it butchers hulks and anything smaller then them. You just have to get close enough, which is a bit of a wrinkle admittedly)

But a lot of d10 is just can you aim straight/know to being guns to compensate for your shitty aim, is your load out cohesive?

Does it have a plan for everything you're facing?

(run screaming for a teammate is a valid plan, but not my favorite given I play with pubs basically exclusively)

[strange vine]

Yeah i bring a fuckload of loadouts to diff 10 regularly

The main thing to know is when you need to disengage

[cobalt patrol]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M2gFj3oFRcI&pp=0gcJCU8Co7VqN5tD

Remains a winning strategy

One thing I've found a real fondness for recently on the bot front is those firespinner grenades

They mulch anything that's not a hulk+, and honestly, they'll do a lot of damage to hulks too

And you get six of them!

Not great for blowing fabs, but eh

[strange vine]

Its not any harder than other grenades though? Just huck em into the vent, its easier than impacts

[cobalt patrol]

I keep having it take two, is been very unreliable for me

Maybe I'm throwing them from too far away

[odd arch]

running through enemies, spam diving and kiting enemies until you get enough time to do the objective within stim tanking duration

oh and spawning in defenders then running away to despawn them

[zinc ledge]

recently I remember having suprising results with the dynamite stick grenades, especially on bots

the stick has to just be sort of kinda near a small fabricator to destroy it which enables very fast and safe guerrilla attacks, and otherwise when placed carefully it can clear a good horde of devastator-sized bots with its massive radius

Also having a clean 5 second fuse makes cooking easy for stuff like turrets

When it comes to my primary though, honestly the base liberator is a very solid gun

But my controversial choice is the plasma scorcher, but I basically have to use the supply pack for that

[blissful sparrow]

also when you notice a dropship dropping, tossing the dynamite under it gives it just enough time to deploy all its cargo into your dynamite which will then blow up

[zinc ledge]

I have not done that, sounds funny

[blissful sparrow]

bonus points for being able to toss a dynamite with a 60 second timer onto the extraction shuttle when its 30 seconds out

[zinc ledge]

there was a period of calibration where I was still not familiar with the radius of it either

[split parcel]

honestly one of my biggest things for dynamite is that if I'm on a city map I can just blow a hole in a wall without having to search for an opening

[tight zephyr]

I take the Liberator or One-Two if I don’t know what else to take.

[split parcel]

i should try out the one-two more

[glacial light]

Setting the fuse longer is pretty good for stealth as well, if it's a medium place and I haven't been spotted I just set the fuse and throw a few where it should be then run towards the next place and like a dozen seconds later I get the camp cleared message

Very nice for very fast spawners clearing

I've grown a fondness for giganade since it like pocket ultimatum except no reload. Also no wait to kill time of thermites

[cobalt patrol]

I run through enemies sometimes, but generally speaking I actually fight stuff and you know, win. Spawning in enemies and running off is goofy

[glacial light]

I tend to run through enemies, sometimes they spawn faster than you can kill

Enemies respawn infinitely, objectives don't so I gun for them. And running a fast build you can kind of just avoid enemies with positioning fairly well even with sniper vox engines

Also most enemies chase very poorly, enemies you leave behind if you go far enough are like actually just left behind if you're in the middle of nowhere and not near an objective

[knotty folio]

I really enjoy brute-forcing through enemies on D10, gas mines, emplacements, and turrets are a wonder of a force equalizer

Definitely easier with a squad than in pubs though

[tall stone]

Alrighty, finally stopping Warframe for a bit. Wish me luck in not doing the most common thing I do when I switch to another game.

[tight zephyr]

Playing to burnout?

[tall stone]

No, trying to bullet jump.

[tight zephyr]

Ah.

Like how I blew myself up a few times because ping in one game is grenade in another.

[tall stone]

Correct.

[tight zephyr]

When's the new warbond?

[stone bridge]

Usual time this week, basically a day and a half from now

[tight zephyr]

Gotcha.

[cobalt patrol]

Just the bubble shield strat + a rocekt turret is a massive force multiplier on bots

and i will literally drop in and turn d10s that are goign to shit around entirely

It's really fujn saving teammates with it too, when you see they're in trouble and deploty the bubble

and suddenly your entire team rallies into the bubble and you can just see the bots going :...ah, crud

and then sometimes a 500kg gets stuck in the bubble and everyone dies

that's less funny, but still very funny

[knotty folio]

I am unfortunately very very bad about calling in Hellpods into the bubble

I would use it much more if they didn't damage it, but much of my experience with it is Bubble>EATs>AT Emplacement>Where bubble? :(

[blissful sparrow]

thankfully it has a cooldown of like 5 seconds

[glacial light]

Warp pack is my budget bullet jump for something to spam every 5 seconds

[cobalt patrol]

I have trained myself to go turret then bubble.

This does sometimes lead to the bubble crushing the turret

[graceful bluff]

What the fuck do you mean mechs had a bleedout mechanic

[stone bridge]

ough...25% slow on gas...

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-vince-mcmahon-mr-mcmahon-omg-falling-gif-11831680554643426869

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-defeated-gif-6954265078138176877

Now to check if I need to mess with mods

[spare verge]

    Shield is destructible and dropped when destroyed
    Armor heavy (4)
    Health 800
    Durable 0.7 ```

[quick plinth]

anyone else crashing on startup?

[stone bridge]

yeah this is a good ass patch

[graceful bluff]

if you have mods that might be why havoc

Sometimes mods need to be recompiled for the new patch

[quick plinth]

I disabled my mods of course

verified the game files too

[spare verge]

yknow, that's fair, it is kinda easy to just magdump the back of a tank with AMR

(illuminate tesla tower specifically) where would I find the breakpoints for destruction strength to know what this entails

[stone bridge]

hd2 wiki has you covered

[spare verge]

ah I see

so now you can actually kill them with checks list anything that even has demolition force

oh cool

[quick plinth]

guess I'll just reinstall the game and see if that does anything

[steep hound]

Hive Guards are now Heavy armor instead of Medium
why?

this is one of the most inexplicable changes I've ever seen them do

[stone bridge]

because they were absolutely useless before and now you get rewarded more for flanking them properly

[steep hound]

they're a common enemy and the main reason why running Medium weaponry on Bugs confers a distinct advantage to running Light weaponry

[south temple]

has the new warbond released yet?

[steep hound]

I want my Machine Gun to mincemeat them!

I don't want to aim my MG-43 with precision!

[stone bridge]

drops in two hours

[steep hound]

Like these guys are not low spawn-rate

[south temple]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[tight zephyr]

Bring a flamethrower.

Or gas!

[steep hound]

I WANT

MY MACHINE GUN!

[tight zephyr]

There are many flamethrowers to choose from.

[south temple]

really interested to see how mechs do now with the health buffs

[steep hound]

also

[quick plinth]

so wait, durable damage increased across the board but no bastion buffs? so, bastion is worse now

[steep hound]

given the MG-43 is legitimately the default newbie starting support weapon and part of it being the default newbie starting support weapon is ease of use

[south temple]

looks that way yeah

[steep hound]

I think it's stupid to make one of the common bug enemies invulnerable to it from the front

[quick plinth]

the barely mobile SPG which tbf has lots of firepower will now die even faster if the other two divers don't look out for it

[tight zephyr]

Might be able to shoot their legs off still.

[steep hound]

I'm not aiming it at each individual Hive Guard's legs when I'm using it as a crowd-mower

[stone bridge]

it's literally not invulnerable from the front though

like sorry you gotta adapt to the change but so it goes

[quick plinth]

oh right, all the frickin- sentries and shit are worse now too

[steep hound]

if you wanted a Heavy Hive Guard enemy so bad just make a separate Alpha Hive Guard for higher difficulties like the Commander has

[south temple]

i’m not against it on principle, i think incentivizing flanking/positioning is generally a good thing

[tight zephyr]

Which one’s the Hive Guard again? The Warrior variant with the armored heads, right?

[steep hound]

yes

[steep hound]

they incentivise it if you decide to bring something like the Stalwart, which is a more mobile machine gun than the MG-43 Machine Gun to start with

which I also do

but if I'm bringing the MG-43 Machine Gun I do not want to be having to pull flanking manouvres every 20 seconds to deal with one of the most common enemies in the game

[stone bridge]

bring an eruptor or crossbow or torcher in your primary, chuck grenades, use a gas dog to just make them turn around

or a hot dog to burn them

[steep hound]

there is no argument that convinces me the Hive Guards were such a woefully underpowered enemy that they needed Heavy armor

they were fine

[tight zephyr]

Torcher or Crisper.

[steep hound]

again, if you really wanted that, just make an Alpha variant that spawns a little less or only appears on 8+ like the Alpha Commander

they're also like the only Medium common swarm enemy the bugs have anyway so what even is the incentive to bring the MG-43 instead of the Stalwart now?

[quick plinth]

Like- "bring eruptor or crossbow"

[steep hound]

now you have to optimally aim or flank with both of them except one of them has less DPS, less ammo and a stationary reload

[tight zephyr]

Probably more useful against bots.

[quick plinth]

I agree- they're some of the best weapons in the game

[steep hound]

there is no scenario on Bots where I am bringing the MG-43 instead of the HMG already so

[quick plinth]

on the other hand they come from the most loaded warbond, nominally, a purchase for those who don't have the time or will to grind SC

[steep hound]

MG-43 still carries an advantage on Squids if only for the Stingrays

[quick plinth]

my issue is that on bugs you were already forced to take medium pen no matter what, since you had no clue what constellation you would face, spitters and you have light pen and ur main is anti heavy? tough shit, guess you just have to pray your allies can cover your weakness

[steep hound]

look I generally think a lot of ppl give this game more flack than it needs bcs while some moves aren't great I still like the game a shit ton on the whole

but this is just a dumb change

[steep hound]

I mean I bring Light Pen on bugs and do fine

[stone bridge]

this is straight up untrue

cmon

[quick plinth]

that's how it felt to me, but I don't play bugs often

[steep hound]

Light Pen just means better positioning

which is fine!

I just don't think the MG-43 and Medium primaries should be having to deal with that too

[south temple]

i mean fair enough honestly, i’m not a big bug guy (botdiver for life) so i don’t have much of a perspective

[tight zephyr]

I saw a bug once.

[steep hound]

to be clear I use literally every weapon in the game on some build somewhere

[stone bridge]

the mouth on bile spitters is armour 0 on all difficulties

[rotund marten]

I am a big light pen fan but I didn't generally run it on bugs purely because they have a lot of Medium

so this doesn't really change that

back to murdering everyone with the senator or the talon

[steep hound]

they don't have so much Medium that it's obligatory

[tight zephyr]

Let’s wait for the patch to actually come out before we panic.

[rotund marten]

bugs were probably the easiest faction so it's not really an issue

[tight zephyr]

I’m going back to bed.

[steep hound]

besides like, obvious heavy units, there's no enemy on Bugs that the Stalwart can't make short work of if you're using it properly

[quick plinth]

I didn't know this

[steep hound]

it's pretty tricky to reliably hit though

[south temple]

oh is it not live?

[quick plinth]

I'm not sure how I would even figure it considering their head is all armored and the only time you see the mouth is when they rear up to spit at you

[rotund marten]

Destroying the Air Base Control Tower with a portable Hellbomb no longer blocks objective progression.

oh thank fuck that was really annoying

[stone bridge]

no it's present all the time

[steep hound]

this is the first time I've seen a patch notes video get overwhelmingly negative reacts lmao

[stone bridge]

you just gotta aim low

[steep hound]

yeah it is doable but these guys spawn in groups and it's not always optimal to try and aim that shot while four of em are spitting at you

hopefully they'll revert this one I'm really not a fan of it

[rotund marten]

all their squishy parts are now more squishy

maybe I can go back to trying Variable against them

Trident should fry even better

[steep hound]

i'm confused by them saying the exosuits used to die if any part including a leg was destroyed

because i've definitely had it where the exosuit has one destroyed leg and its just slowed the speed rather than killed it

[south temple]

my experience with exosuits has largely been smooth sailing and then i go from full health to dead in like two seconds flat

or watching helplessly as it gets obliterated while being dropped

[steep hound]

been there

[south temple]

man i’m really excited for the new SMG

[steep hound]

lmao

[south temple]

praying it doesn’t have a super low mag cap

[quick plinth]

yep, it's the new "outdated version detection" they added

it just fkn craps out on linux

great

cool

lovely

[steep hound]

i feel the Spear needs a bigger buff than just one extra missile

[quick plinth]

it needs to onehit biletitans

that's it

you shouldn't have to aim for weakspots against BTs with the SELFGUIDING weapon

wouldn't change any other breakpoints

[south temple]

lowkey just needs more damage and demo force

there’s a great niche of “super long range single target delete button” waiting

[steep hound]

atm it's just so unwieldy next to the Recoilless Rifle for not much benefit

[south temple]

yeah 100%

it has wicked aura but there’s almost no reason to not just run the recoilless

you lose what like 800 damage

[cobalt patrol]

So have you actually played against the ap4 hive guards yet, or are you just complaining about them? Because they also lost armor elsewhere

[south temple]

also got a reduction in body health so it should be easier to kill them with good aim

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, exactly

Like I'm cool with the shielded enemy actually getting to be a shield

[warped cradle]

Oh sweet liberty, yes

[karmic prawn]

I am wondering if the exo suit health buff will be as significant as it seems with all the durable damage increases though

[south temple]

hive guards were lowkey wormfood in my experience