Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[delicate aspen]

too fuckin real lmao

its like the entire planet is made of rubber

looks like we're gonna time-out on the MO unless AH gives us some more pity time to complete it, eitherway curious to see how it turns out win or lose

[unreal merlin]

unless there's a big surge, yeah we're not gonna get this one

[delicate aspen]

wonder if the consequence for us failing is a ton of new borg units come pouring out, maybe something more terrifying than the vox

those crafty fuckers are absolutely upto something on their capital

[glacial light]

I'm hoping the bots steal the Star of Peace blueprints and create their own

The Killstar, legally distinct station sized super weapon

Bonus points if it uses dark matter to collapse planets and SE makes a statement how horrendous and evil that is

[unreal merlin]

that's impossible, the cyborg menace couldn't possibly synthesize the materials to even fuel such an imitation of super earth's might

[glacial light]

Powered by biofuels

It's what the bodies are for

[azure rock]

lots of performance issues lately

[delicate aspen]

SoS on stan for d10 takes forever in the odd hours, like hotdamn

[knotty folio]

I think there's also weirdness with the mission list for SoSdivers, it seems to only show one mission per city?

[keen zinc]

:(

just cant win trying to find a helmet match for this armor

this will have to do

[unreal merlin]

me and friends are rocking some TD-Bastion hotness the last few days, we've nailed down our roles and synergy and now steamroll through the megafactory lanes with ease

[delicate aspen]

orange you glad this one works

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-sealed-away-gif-16343070612222788368

[verbal summit]

I use the livewire helmet with it

Works out well

Then again I was using the warp pack and hammer with it so I was going for a bit of a rugged hammer look but also a sci fi warp pack look

[unreal merlin]

• Driver (me), carries quasar/hellbomb and dismount kit as desired
• Gunner, carries Spear and cycles to the popout hatch while the gun is reloading to shoot down dropships
• Defender, carries Stalward + Supply Pack and focuses on eliminating nearby threats
  with all of us having a good understanding of target priorities and direct communication, we can just battle straight through everything like a party bus

[cobalt patrol]

Very nice

[unreal merlin]

At least for driving, learning how not to fight the transmission is the biggest thing. It's easy to struggle with and if you do it basically locks you in place while you can't move

[spare verge]

the devs are really mashing the "do you feel like a hero yet?" button over and over for cyberstan

[delicate aspen]

unfortunately, we're nowhere near close enough for this to make much change in the MO

[hexed steeple]

what are 'defence ratings'

[delicate aspen]

probably the resistence thing when you usually try take over a planet, afaik, it puts each city at 1.6%, down from 2%

[hexed steeple]

oh neat

[spare verge]

the rate at which the liberation percentage goes back down if the playerbase did nothing, I think

I think hourly?

[delicate aspen]

i think its also how effective completing missions is for how much the bar will fill

im trying to force myself to enjoy the Epoch but man, getting staggered as you hit full charge is a lesson in futility cause you just explode and gotta wait for another epoch

[steady flame]

I wonder what the result of failing will be.

TwatHammer ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) unfortunately, we're nowhere near close enough for this to make much change in the MO 📎

[spare verge]

I'm guessing they'll let us poke at transcendence if they have anything special contentwise for it but with it very mathematically unlikely to succeed

having to invade without SEAF support storywise or something

[delicate aspen]

we'll probably start getting pushed off the planet or they start cooking up more monster cyborgs, im hoping for the latter cause so far they've been a breath of fresh air to fight

outside of "oops all vox" or "oops all naruto"

[ivory swallow]

I wonder if we would have ended up completing the MO in its original form

[strange vine]

The app prediction said so a few times, so perhaps

[strange vine]

1234 heh

[hazy oriole]

I genuinely hope they add a feature to blacklist incin hellpods from random joins

Granted, my emotions are heightened due to a particularly miserable game

[tame parcel]

What do incin hellpods do that are particularly aggravating? Blanket the area in fire while you're in it?

[glacial light]

It affects all hell pods like for support weapons doesn't it?

[keen zinc]

They're griefing

[supple siren]

Typically you're summoning things that you want so having those suddenly have explosive fire AoEs is bad

[keen zinc]

They exist to light your teammates on fire and tax their stims

Or even kill them if they aren't paying attention

Because you call down hellpods close to you to be able to collect supplies and support weapons

I've kicked pubbies for bringing it

[glacial light]

The small benefit it gives doesn't outweigh the downsides for many

[blissful sparrow]

I have never not thrown supplies and support weapons as far ahead as possible in the direction i intend to go

[glacial light]

What if you're holding an objective

There are quite a few you need to wait for the terminal to do it's thing and people tend to throw supplies next to the terminal

[blissful sparrow]

toss the supplies as you are approaching

[glacial light]

What about if you're already there and holding the position

[blissful sparrow]

i'm not saying fire pods are good. But whining about them to this extent makes you look silly

[glacial light]

I mean if it's unfun people will complain it's unfun

[blissful sparrow]

People will complain if it exists or if it does not exists.

[glacial light]

Alright that fact doesn't change the anything for those here in this chat who find it unfun

[dark plover]

Hopefully with the positive reception to smoke, they'll make more defensive hellpod boosters.

[oblique lotus]

oh I hate fire pods

Makes callins a huge pain if you're on a static obj and finding out that your callins can set you on fire midgame is real annoying

and also even in terms of extracting value you need to throw your equipment at the enemy rather than having it be near you where you can use it

its better for mines or sentries but still

stun pods are in a similar boat but are less lethal, smoke pods are a lot better than I thought they would be

if you go for a disposable heavy playstyle smoke uptime can be pretty high

[dark plover]

I'd like to see a bubble shield pod booster and the existing armed resupply booster upgraded to apply to support weapon drops too.

[glacial light]

Bubble pod booster would probably be so good with eats

Smoke pods is a pretty good booster I hope people still bring it off cyberstan

[keen zinc]

youre the one looking silly based on the general consensus

giving the "works fine on my machine"

sure it works well with how you specifically do your call-ins, but a booster effects the whole team, let alone someone joining mid game and adding it

[blissful sparrow]

If this channel ever did anything else but rant and complain i might almost be tempted to agree

[keen zinc]

see now THIS is whining

[supple siren]

Lmao this is a very positive channel I think the most 'ranting' I've seen is 'they sure drop a lot of Vox Engines on 9s/10s'

[keen zinc]

it is a very positive channel, people just look over hours and hours of chat activity to pick out complaints to reply to and try to start arguments

[blissful sparrow]

there is a group of people that uses this channel as their personal venting space about their random match making experiences

[keen zinc]

its a gameplay channel, people will discuss their gameplay experiences

honestly i have more sympathy for them than people complaining about complaining hours and hours after the inciting incident has passed out of discussion

<@&1206091872716595200> its time to crime

that evacuation corridor of noncombatants wont bomb itself

[barren iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204848159088709652/1473377536821039124/20260216_223848.jpg?ex=6995fd42&is=6994abc2&hm=2aff19f6c9acb45328ddaefdfbb668ff55cdbf2348703ffde3682d88f17fefb4&

[keen zinc]

i had my commando call in bounce around for a good 30 seconds before landing very suspiciously close to where i initially threw it

[keen zinc]

i miss the "killed by"

death by meat saw or steel fist

[glacial light]

Over half of them were my own name

[keen zinc]

Yeah hence the removal

it was usually your own name, or a teammate who wasnt at all to blame

[glacial light]

Ngl I didint even notice it was removed ive long ignored it cause of bad it is

[keen zinc]

but i just loved seeing "killed by meat saw"

[dark plover]

If steel fist were accurate, that would imply the punch was the killing blow and it just curb stomped for fun

[keen zinc]

Steel Foot is if it stomps you

but if the punch killed you its Steel Fist

[glacial light]

Always double tap

[dark plover]

Oh I just caught it actually days foot 😂

[keen zinc]

this does confirm that they are made of steel

[blissful sparrow]

Devestators actually walk on their hands

[keen zinc]

MY METAL BATTLE MECHAGORILLAS

[glacial light]

Cyberstan steel, folded 1000 times

[barren iron]

I had no idea it was removed lol

[keen zinc]

zirconium pants

[glacial light]

Probably for the best, it woudl lead to players getting kicked cause the game credited the kill on someone who wasnt even around

[hazy oriole]

this keeps happening in this chat and im honestly a bit sick of it

(not mad at you amko, but the general attitude of "it works for me so your complaint is dismissed)

[graceful bluff]

Mods can change the "ELIMINATED" death message and I just want one that changes it to "SKILL ISSUE"

[rotund marten]

damn that was quick

[split parcel]

Slightly past this conversation but, please don't use this channel for insulting each other or vagueposting about others. If you have issues with other users or the atmosphere of threads or whatever, bring it to the mods and let us handle it

[knotty folio]

I do get why this was probably an issue in pub lobbies, but it was always fun coming up with ideas on how my friend killed me from across the map - did they poison my stims before we left? Scare a bot into shooting in my directions? Murder me with sheer bad vibes?

[glacial light]

hunter jumps in front of eruptor and I blow myself up
Dinkleberg!

[keen zinc]

HATE

[idle hollow]

mastiff time :)

[keen zinc]

HATE HATE

Raiden can hip toss a fucking metal gear

but gets manhandled by a mechagorilla

[compact silo]

hey i got pointed at this channel late and im' not a helldiver player so I don't normall pay attention to this space. this sucks.

[compact silo]

if you know you're road rage posting, don't do it

[compact silo]

no. god. like. no? this is literally not griefing get over yourself

[compact silo]

bluntly pru is correct and if this is the 'general consensus' then this thread generally sucks. I'd like you all to do better

[keen zinc]

see this is what i mean by people coming in hours later to re-provoke arguments over percieved slights of different opinions

[compact silo]

I get constant complaints about this channel

[compact silo]

amko i'm a fucking mod

i'm the head mod of the server

i'm here to try and establish acceptable boundaries for our public channels

[tall stone]

I was going to pop in and say the smoke pods seem great for turrets and EATs

[compact silo]

in like every single gaming thread in offtopic I have to show up eventually and tell people to stop whining about pubs and random game options

[compact silo]

just to be extremely loud and blunt here for all the blues: having positive experiences with a game and having negative experiences with a game are not equally valid public socialization topics on pilot net. like there is a huge difference between everyone talking about how much they love this thing they are engaged with together vs everyone talking about how much they hate this thing they are still deeply emotionally stuck with together

outside of like, some specific edge cases around trying to call out real life harm or steer people away from bad purchases and stuff, if you don't have anything nice to say about a game you should actually just say nothing at all. legit just only share your positive experiences.

you guys don't even have the excuse that you're playing a pvp game and need to legitimately talk about strategies that'll win you games on ladder and what stuff is bad for winning vs not. you guys are playing a coop horde shooter?

please have some perspective

[compact silo]

complaining sucks, they are not equivalent to complaining about complaining, and in the future if people are complaining tons please just flag the mods.

[tall stone]

I can understand the frustration with incendiary pods myself, but that's from making a base thing in the game (I can have my weapons drop near me safely) not true, and it's a decision other people can force to be the case without your input. Plays hell on the muscle memory and can start or worsen failure spirals.

[hallow hornet]

Yeah just to be clear don't come in here to complain about how randos sucked to play with and gamer raging about balance

[compact silo]

yeah I wanted to be super loud and public with telling everyone that this is not okay. cause damn I do feel like this is one of the big places I've messed up with not training pnet culture properly

it's wild to me how many blues here are just like. pro hatedom stuff

like actively talking about how it's good and valid to complain about shit with no consequences beyond making everyone lurking feel bad and reinforcing their own needs to vent more in the future

[tall stone]

It was nice to get back into public matches where people were being patient with me trying to dive by bullet jumping

Warframe took over my brain lol

[spare verge]

apologies if I ever gave you the blues

-# okay I just wanted to make that pun

[rare nymph]

Helldivers with warframe movement is a very funny image

[tall stone]

Had multiple moments of "Why am I so slow?!"

[hazy oriole]

tbf some really skilled ones move like freakin water, Wallbouncing does some shit that makes me doublecheck which game I'm playing

[graceful bluff]

Bullet jumping and instantly not being able to see anything because you threw up in your helmet

[knotty folio]

Bullet jumping but you don't get any of Warframe's ability to land it, you do this beautiful spinning dive and immediately ragdoll upon landing

[keen zinc]

you do a bullet jump and the twist breaks your neck and your body flies through the air like a missile

[tall stone]

I would accept this armor passive

[knotty folio]

It would honestly be a ton of fun

[tall stone]

Let me throw grenades while doing this too

[glacial light]

Apologies, I will stick to this from

[wind arrow]

it's been years since i last played WF, was bullet jumping an option mid-jump or must you start on the ground to initiate it?

[graceful bluff]

both

[compact silo]

thank you, I appreciate it.

[wind arrow]

man, imagine a jump pad grenade...

[compact silo]

I don't think pnet gamers are toxic in the traditional sense. I think everyone here knows that like, if you get mad and then you open up allchat or teamchat and start flaming your teammates and telling them to uninstall or you start using slurs you're totally a bad person and you've crossed the line

but I do think most of pnet regulars don't understand the kind of subtle psychological costs to them just closing the game and going to this big space full of friends and lurkers and talking about how garbage your game was and how garbage your teammates were and how garbage gun X is

like. you end up like that meme pinned in the main channel

https://www.rxddit.com/r/comics/comments/c5gsks/video_games_oc/

and you drag everyone else into the same patterns through social reinforcement stuff

there's a reason psychiatrists don't do "just scream into a pillow" stuff anymore - it makes you more angry and less capable of processing stuff healthily

I know a bunch of pnet regulars who like. if I track the way they move it's them complaining about dark souls being bullshit, then complaining about silksong being bullshit, then complaining about deadlock being bullshit, etc etc

that's like kinda the only way they know how to engage with stuff

socially I mean

how to talk about the things they are into

it's not good. don't do it here. there's room to do it in like, private spaces where you really know exactly your audience

do not do it in any place on pnet with lurkers

[hazy oriole]

Understood, sorry for causing such a mess

[compact silo]

o7

appreciate everyone's time

I know this is like a social cultural problem on pnet so it's sorta on me

I gotta drop this essay in a bunch of channels

[oblique lotus]

Its kinda hard for me to post about this without going "oh the helldivers community is too whiny" and I've been trying to come up with a good way to mention it without tilting at windmills

[compact silo]

I mean, genuinely, don't post negative stuff. like I wanna know what your emotional stakes are for talking out loud about how much you hate a gun

[wind arrow]

think it's worth adding a blurb in the rules channel? on top of your intended post in other threads, that is

[compact silo]

I want it to be hard to post about 'this'

[heady halo]

an armour passive I have been thinking about for AGES is an armour with RCS (reactive control system) thrusters like a spacesuit, where whenever you dive you get a booster mini jetpack dive, but can only do it once or twice before it enters a moderately long cooldown

[compact silo]

like let's be clear - nobody here is a game designer or game dev trying to tweak this game or hone their own similar projects. nobody is sending feedback to an indie dev's feedback channel on their discord after trying their demo. you're not even exchanging like... pvp strategies in a pvp ladder?

this is literally a co-op horde shooter

[heady halo]

oh oop

[compact silo]

what are you trying to accomplish by writing an essay about how much you hate gun X

because the true answer to that is usually "I wanna scratch an itch in my brain" and it turns out if you scratch at scabs you make them worse actually

[spare verge]

I'm in a small discord orbiting a game where people manage to talk this way about a sandbox building game. it's dire.

-# maybe this isn't the right place to talk about it though

[compact silo]

no that's relevant, for sure, thank you yeah

like i've seen this pattern show up in like... straight up singleplayer games

when silksong came out I had to put out a fire in that thread like every two days

[spare verge]

more or less daily I see people there complain about "why aren't the devs adding this feature yet" when the game has a total of 8 devs, only half of which are programmers, who are working on the game in their spare time from their day jobs, and one of which has been bedridden for over a month

[dusty spruce]

is this for arrowhead or the sandbox game? I'm a little confused.

[spare verge]

the sandbox game

arrowhead has something like a hundred or so employees I think

[dusty spruce]

ok, yeah. That didn't sound right with the way my brain was reading things, sorry.

[compact silo]

cynn's point is that this pattern is universal

and yeah i've noticed that too

[spare verge]

it's really pervasive in gamer spaces

[knotty folio]

It's kind of just a very easy way to interact with things, I've noticed

[compact silo]

yes it is a classic failure mode. it's even more general than gaming actually

I called it hatedom stuff earlier in my ranting

that is where I first started to like, document it

people hating shows they actually said they loved? on tumblr and stuff?

like watch parties to talk about how much they hate every new episode of rwby

or whatever

just insane stuff

it's just a way human brains fail to engage with stuff healthily i dunno

[normal juniper]

There's a reason why I purposely avoided r/dtg when I could because it's like. If you're this unhappy with the video game, why do you continue to play the video game

"Oh but I love it and want it to improve" do you tho??? Like Really?

[compact silo]

yeah the 'i love it and want it to improve' thing is like. incredibly fake tbh. I believe it when it's like a well constructed video essay or something

but someone showing up to a public channel and going "I had a game where <random pub> summoned <item x> and FUCK that item and FUCK pubs and we should BAN <something>"

man. listen to yourself.

and everyone nodding along and encouraging them and telling them it's valid socialization, please also listen to yourselves

like this is 'go home we're cutting you off' bar stuff

[normal juniper]

It's not always toxic in the traditional sense, but it's just profoundly unfun to be around

[knotty folio]

This is why I only play games where that doesn't happen, like Dota

[normal juniper]

People should be allowed to criticize the things that they enjoy, but also like. There are a lot of people who are very obviously addicted to something that is making them miserable

Not implying that of anyone here necessarily, but it's definitely a behavior you should catch yourself doing, bc these are Video Games, dude

[split parcel]

"Dearest Karthus,"

[compact silo]

We're having a side conversation about this in mod lounge actually

We suspect the battle pass lootbox live service stuff is causing this

Like that's the niche friendslop games are giving people

[rare nymph]

I could see that

[compact silo]

Games where you do just have to queue up with some friends and have a stupid time together

That was helldivers 1

But helldivers 2 has kinda evolved into a more... Modern experience?

Atomized individual gamers silently solo queueing with randoms to earn gems to buy the latest banner before it fomos them

Repeat every month

[normal juniper]

HD2 doesn't really have FOMO pertaining to mtx, its FOMO is more to do w the active participation in war campaigns

But yes, I agree otherwise, it's a big rat race

[compact silo]

Fair enough I'm not very informed on this game in particular

[heady halo]

thats really the only thing that makes it tolerable tbh

[compact silo]

I'm kinda waving at a bigger phenomenon

[heady halo]

maximum level of fomo i can deal

but yeah

[keen zinc]

Hesitant to disagree.

[heady halo]

ive been soloqueing a lot lately as ive been out of the game for months after the comedic fascism became too real due to the real fascisim getting worse and stupider, till it looped back around on itself for me lmao

and ive been enjoying it again

[keen zinc]

i basically only play with premade groups here, only occassionally doing quickplays with randos

[rare spruce]

Playing with randos is a massive gamble but can be fun (sometimes)

[dusty spruce]

mhm, been doing mostly randos as well, since I've been in the spot where I can't exactly do voice chat this week

[heady halo]

i get anxious thinking about playing with known people in voice at the moment lmao, its been a while

[compact silo]

I think it's super possible to have fun with randoms but you need to understand your ability to handle random toxicity vs the average toxicity vs how you're gonna reflect it onto other people etc etc

Like you just need to be really honest about how well you can stop stuff getting worse

[heady halo]

but helldivers is a fun game to treat like a roguelike

[normal juniper]

I got to play in a lobby with a stoner dad and his kid once, I gave them my maxigun and they had a good bit of fun w it

[spare verge]

I learned about The Iron Dream in a bluesky thread the other day and Helldivers gives a similar vibe

[heady halo]

problem solving and physical momentum and bright lights and low risk stress good brain chemicals

[graceful bluff]

Most pubs are also fine, it's just that it's an incredibly deadly game when you don't care if there's other players in the way of your city block flattening ordnance(basically everything you call down)

[rare spruce]

Ay, sometimes it is like that
other times you gotta grown ass adult screaming in your ear cause you dont play meta loadouts, so its a gamble

[rare nymph]

Yeah, it’s important to recognize when you’re simply having a bad time and would be better off doing something unrelated (I’ve fallen into the trap of complaining about randos here before so I’m by no means the best at that)

[graceful bluff]

So it's hard to tell the difference between an oopsy woopsy fucky wucky, and actively griefing at times, especially when they don't communicate

[dusty spruce]

I'm hoping some of the toxicity will abate after this story beat, since the stress of the big 'DON'T DIE TOO MUCH' banner is currently exacerbating things, imo

[spare verge]

in terms of having objectives that fps games frequently do but through the framing of "this is a horrible fascist regime telling you to do this"

[heady halo]

connected that to "the iron dragons daughter" in my head for a second which is very different, that ones about a young girl stuck working in the elfland lockheed cyber drone dragon child labour factory until she escapes with one

[spare verge]

"yeah just flatten the city, that's a normal thing to do, right?"

[heady halo]

ill be honest I had not even noticed that banner lmao

[knotty folio]

HD2 also has some of the Moba juice to it in terms of negativity-inducing design - like, an operation is a 15 minute mission followed by two 40 minute missions, and your teammates can very easily mess you up by accidentally killing you/using up reinforcements/just not doing much, and you have to be careful how you approach that mentally because otherwise it is very possible to get in the "my teammates just wasted two hours of my life" headspace

Have to make sure you approach it from a "I'm having fun in this mission" direction instead of a "I'm playing this to make sure I win the operation" one

[keen zinc]

War Striders are also a consistent opener of cans of worms

[verbal summit]

I'm liking bringing EAT, leveller and solo silo along with arc dog on these missions.

[knotty folio]

Honestly we should probably just try to avoid discussing them here, they've already been discussed to death

[verbal summit]

Tho I may just start bringing even more expendables cus I don't really need the arc dog when im using the blitzer

[rare spruce]

Vox Engine make me wanna headbang a wall sometimes, but hey, funtimes

[keen zinc]

i prefer commando over EAT because you carry the entire damage output with you instead of needing to stay near the pod for the second rocket

keeps you mobile

[verbal summit]

Eh I tend to use the expendable weapons 1 second after getting it anyway on cyberstan

But I may replace the arc dog with the commando

[dusty spruce]

sorry to also necro this, but...
That was an idea that popped into my head when reading that as well. I would love an armor passive that enhances diving like that. Though I understand why it may never exist, nudging into the territory of the movement backpacks.

I've sorta grown addicting to doing the slide into reloading the epoch, and wouldn't mind something vaguely Vanquish-y (within reason, of course)

[knotty folio]

I'm disappointed I don't have the smoke pods booster, wanted to try bringing double EATs with the smoke pods yesterday when there were free EATs

Smoke every 30 secodns

[rare nymph]

What’s funny about commando vs. eat for me is when I use one, I immediately think to myself “man, why would I ever use the other!”

[verbal summit]

Ive never quite been a fan of the commando

[dark plover]

The relationship between game design and the player vibes is a really interesting topic. Never underestimate the positive power of a good ROCK AND STONE

[knotty folio]

I've mentioned this before but a pack with little RCS boosters and like 3 regenerating charges that just shunts you a few feet when activated would be really fun

[verbal summit]

Expendable napalm also exists but I don't see myself using it much on bots

[rare nymph]

If you rock and stone, you’re never alone

[knotty folio]

Similar to warp pack but much shorter

Dodge pack

[heady halo]

cyberstan has finally convinced me the value of smoke lmao

[knotty folio]

Cyberstan has convinced me I need to use other secondaries more often because I keep bringing the Ultimatum and forgetting I don't have the Talon

[heady halo]

haha i said the same thing a little further up! i was thinking as an armour passive that turns your dive into a jet boosted ragdoll

i want a full movement warbond

[verbal summit]

I keep using the talon

I actually use it like a primary tbh

[rare spruce]

Cyberstan conviced me a that need more warbonds cause only the Recoilless alone aint gonna save my life

[knotty folio]

It's actually surprisingly good, it doesn't kill heavies but tossing one on a bot drop can clear a lot of devastators very efficiently

[verbal summit]

And just use the bltizer to stun cyborgs and shield devastators

[heady halo]

dive boost armour, warp grenades where the grenade warps you to its location, grapple hook pistol, then something spicy as a big final thing

maybe a speed mech with an energy shield and jump pack and faster movespeed, but no ranged weapon and only a way better melee

[verbal summit]

Ah maybe. I mostly just wanna eb able to clear heavies and kill fabricators with it hence why I bring the EAT

[heady halo]

maybe a warp katana that lets you virgil

[knotty folio]

Oh I would never use any equipment ever again

[heady halo]

hahaha

thats why i want itttt

i want to mooooove

[knotty folio]

And would lose so many reinforcements to the Grappling Pistol :D

[dusty spruce]

oh fuck yeah, a warp grenade would be sweet. Especially if it can still telefrag like the warp pack

[knotty folio]

I often bring both

[dark plover]

Throw warp grenade into Vox butthole

[heady halo]

downside being it can bounce, telefrag and you might not see where you are throwing it :D but telaport a full throw distance :D

[knotty folio]

It's so helpful just littering the map with both of them, for both you and your teammates

[verbal summit]

Whenever I use the warp pack I get in the headspace of making it my entire personality so I'll warp 2m to the console I'll warp every little bit

[knotty folio]

Tossing it into a Vox Engine and assuming direct control

[verbal summit]

I'll just not take a step the entire mission but have the most distance travelled regardless

[dusty spruce]

that with any throw distance armor would probably become the single best speedrunning stuff

[heady halo]

grapple pistol should hit with the damage of the senator and have infinite ammo but very short range and pull you towards whatever you hit

[blissful sparrow]

I just came from a nice relaxed bug dive where i used Leveller and Expendable Napalm and it felt so hilariously comfortable
Just alternate them, just the napalms to clear bug breaches, leveller to clear big bugs and it gets around the long feeling cooldown of the expendable

[verbal summit]

Yeah it's amazing

I might just start using expendables more

[heady halo]

could also just make them heavier so they arent suuuper busted i suppose but thats less fun

[knotty folio]

I should use the NEATs more on bugs, I usually just bring Eagle Napalm but I could be using both

[heady halo]

not in education or anti tank

[knotty folio]

lmao

[dusty spruce]

I mean, the shield nades do show a willingness to include more 'utility' items in the nade slot. I could definitely see those becoming a thing.

[rare nymph]

Me when I’m describing how tidy my room is

[dusty spruce]

wonder if we'll ever get a stim/heal gas nade

[oblique lotus]

I think HD1 had considerably lower stakes because there was a lot less arrowhead control of the narrative and bluntly past a few modifiers every planet was basically the same so if you donked a mission that sucked but it wasn't the big community effort that for example the current push for cyberstan is

[heady halo]

shield nades do also have different physics so they are less cheesable, dynamite too i think

oh healnades could rule

sticky heal nade that slowly pumps you full off stims

and if you miss, an ally can get it by diving on it

with it prefferentially sticking to allys rather than terrain/scenery

[compact silo]

That makes sense

Big sweeping metagame stuff is for sure different this time around

[verbal summit]

Btw how do shield nades work? Do they just like tank a lot a lot for a moment or do they break easily? I wanna use them for dumb stuff like point blank leveller

[knotty folio]

I still think a healing aura deployable would be a lot of fun, it would help incentivize holding out on a single location in an interesting way

Like the shield generator relay except that one's a bit awkward with deployables

[heady halo]

like a resupply pod but for health....deployable hl2 heal station....can even make a cool healing noise and has a big spike like the training course stim injector

[knotty folio]

(Though wow can that thing do work when well-coordinated, had a game with randos the other day where one of them just stuck with me and shield relay'd me whenever I set up my AT Emplacement + Rocket Sentry and it demolished Vox Engines)

[heady halo]

take a fair amount iirc, dont know how much tho, i just know that they cant stop a hellbomb

[knotty folio]

I was thinking a deployable that just slowly heals everyone nearby with a limited lifespan but that could work too

Would probably end up leaving healing stations all over the map like I do with EATs :P

[rare nymph]

Ok, but it would be really funny if the healnade was just a frag that had the shrapnel replaced with syringes

[knotty folio]

I think all shields have a shield gate, so they can tank any hit once

[verbal summit]

Awesome

[supple siren]

Point Blank Leveller 100% works, Shield Nades have been a delight

[verbal summit]

Point blank leveller it is

[knotty folio]

But I'm not sure if they stop explosions

[supple siren]

Just gotta make sure it lands outside

[knotty folio]

Apparently the nade has 1k hp

I should try using it again, that might be enough to fight a Vox Engine from an AT Emplacement without needing extra cover

[supple siren]

Doesn't stop Karate Cyborgs has been my main issue but that's what the Trident's for

Just real funny to get flying knee'd out of your solid new position

[knotty folio]

It would be amazing if they were smart enough to use it themselves

Knee you out then shoot you from inside

[heady halo]

best ive found for vox engines so far is just gattling barage and a thermite

[graceful bluff]

Finished a mission and just had to stare at this bozo as soon as I went out of the menu :v

[heady halo]

if its not quiet enough to get close and shoot vents

[heady halo]

princess leia

[keen zinc]

you will address me as FIRE SAFETY OFFICER BOZO

[oblique lotus]

shield gating is a thing but some explosions are actually two explosions and the second will get you

[keen zinc]

not my fault its the only helmet that goes with this armor that aint bugged

[knotty folio]

Huh, I didn't realize Gatling Barrage had enough pen for that, I should try that

I've just been Levelling them

Or occasionally running under them and hammering them

(Or AT Emplacementing them of course)

[keen zinc]

i been using the limp bizkit vox noise mod and its increased my enjoyment of cyberstan one durstillion percent

https://klipy.com/gifs/fred-durst-limp-bizkit-11

[knotty folio]

If you stick the stratagem ball to it will the Gatling Barrage follow it?

[graceful bluff]

sadly no

[knotty folio]

😭

[heady halo]

its a bit luck based for gatling, but the angle helps a lot, iirc they do equal ballistic and explosive damage, so they can even hit and break vents

[graceful bluff]

no stratagem follows the ball

as much as I wish they would

actually no that's wrong, no red stratagem follows the ball

blue ones definitely do and you should throw it on your friends shield bubble

[oblique lotus]

blue and iirc green strats follow the ball

[knotty folio]

I look forward to trying Eagle Strafe on them if we ever fight Vox Engines outside the cities

(Or if we have a factory with disabled air defenses)

[oblique lotus]

fairly easy to hit chargers with weapon drops because of that

[knotty folio]

There's even an achievement for using a resupply pod for it!

Which apparently I still don't have

[dusty spruce]

It's simultaneously both easy and hard to get

[keen zinc]

sticking chargers with resupplies is fun

[knotty folio]

Had a moment the other day where I stuck a friend with a blue stratagem and had fun watching them flail until they realized it was a reinforcement beacon

[oblique lotus]

Honest question because I'm trying to find the line, clearly posting "X is trash" no notes is beyond it, but for instance would "I think Y doesn't do the job against Z" be acceptable?

[keen zinc]

Probably best to just play it safe with a zero negativity approach

not looking to get in trouble

[knotty folio]

Not a curator/mod, but I've found "I think changing Y by X to help it against Z" is often a healthier way to engage - giving a concrete suggestion provides a foundation for discussion

[verbal summit]

Livewire goes with it pretty well

[keen zinc]

problem is that it will inevatibly spur a counterargument

eg war strider discussions

even constructive feedback causes arguments

also, it isnt really construcrive because this isnt an AH discord

not like its gonna do anything besides start arguments

[verbal summit]

Did I miss something?

[knotty folio]

Mod intervention regarding the whole "X sucks" pattern, see #1204832579287519292 message

[rotund marten]

I am still mildly bemused that you can kill vox engines with one mag of light pen & a single smoke grenade but it's very fun to do so

[warped cradle]

Another 3000 years of War Strider balancing debates

[rotund marten]

has anyone naded the upper hatch yet? it seems rather harder to actually land

[knotty folio]

I don't think I've actually killed a Vox with a hatch grenade at all yet lol

[keen zinc]

ive tried smokes and it didnt work, i even recorded it, so its odd

[dusty spruce]

I've seen videos of it, but I don't think I've ever actually been in a game where a Vox was killed via that strat. Usually just safer to follow the Aliens strat of just nuking it from a safe distance

[rotund marten]

my smokes work fine, I've done that at least twice

[oblique lotus]

I've gotten the hatch to pop once but generally-yeah

[rotund marten]

usually opportunistically

if there's one vox right next to me and everyone else is clear it can be quite quick

[keen zinc]

its odd that it has worked and not worked

but hey, such is life in the zone

[knotty folio]

Could be a host/client thing, could just be a bit wonky detection in general

[rotund marten]

actually getting the grenade in the hatch is quite finnicky

[verbal summit]

I actually fired a leveller at a vox engine and the arc dog finished it off

Idk if that just works but i guess so...

[knotty folio]

Leveller seems to leave them on a sliver of HP

[verbal summit]

It was very funny to see the arc dog finish it off

[dusty spruce]

I think a portion of the treads are medium, so you could maybe finish it off that way?

[knotty folio]

The most powerful dog

[oblique lotus]

leveller and silo are dependent on doing splash to various tread hitboxes which makes damage dealt inconsistent

[verbal summit]

Arc dog is heavy pen i think

So it works

[oblique lotus]

but usually leveller/silo + one EAT or equivalent will kill

[keen zinc]

nah, it went in, got consumed and didnt pop, but didnt trigger the death, i recorded it

might be a host/client issue

[verbal summit]

Tbf just putting a leveller or a silo into a vox fixes mostly everything. After that it's someone else's problem teehee

[dusty spruce]

oh, shit, sorry. Brain don't make words right. I know of the glory of the mighty arc hitting everything. I should've specified the idea of using the leveler and then just shooting a regular med-pen gun.

(i'm a firm worshipper of the arc weapons on the bugs)

[knotty folio]

Yeah, I've heard it claimed that it can oneshot if you get the right hit, but for me it's pretty reliably Leveller + EAT/Thermite/etc.

[rotund marten]

leveller/silo + ultimatum functionally always kills, yeah

[oblique lotus]

I've finished off a vox by senatoring the vents before

[rotund marten]

or that yeah

leveller + pop a couple of random vents

[oblique lotus]

mostly out of desperation "I have nothing left from hells heart I spit at you" and then it started exploding

[knotty folio]

Sometimes I'll Leveller a Vox then wander off to do an objective without finishing it, it's always funny when my teammates are super confused by the Vox they came across falling over in one hit

[rotund marten]

the only reason I don't kill them that way more often is that if I can get under the tracks I can generally just do vent + vent + vent + nade and save the big kaboom

[oblique lotus]

I still think its really funny that I can kill a tank by putting two revolver cylinders into its rear

[rotund marten]

has anyone figured out what shooting the eyeslits out actually does

they die easily to anything but don't seem to debuff it at all

[oblique lotus]

the center eyeslits?

[rotund marten]

the two either side

[split parcel]

Yeah broadly this is a good jumping off point, providing alternatives or suggestions, that kinda thing. Like for a long time I struggled having fun against squids and then someone helped me find a loadout I enjoyed, worked like a charm

[rotund marten]

possibly those are just lights but they're separate modules

[knotty folio]

I think those might be the "Fog Lights" part on the wiki? In which case they're just a bit of damage to main

[dusty spruce]

these?

[rotund marten]

yeah

I wonder if leveller + shoot those out with something reasonably heavy could transfer enough damage to main for a kill

would probably need to be an implausibly large hit like an AMR or something

[knotty folio]

Yeah, something AP4 + large damage

[compact silo]

I think if you're super aware of your local audience and you carefully structure the stuff you're saying, and you like monitor the temperature after, you can find ways to talk about stuff being a negative to you without it bringing down your generally positive experience and vibe with the game

That being said, honestly, the simplest solution is just don't

[knotty folio]

Since AP5 can just hit anywhere really

[compact silo]

Like I encourage people to just lean on not sharing entirely valid negative opinions

A much bigger step zero I encourage people to think on is like. What do you plan on accomplishing starting topic x

Sharing a pleasant story or thought just makes everyone feel better

[rotund marten]

they're totally unarmoured, so Variable might do it

[compact silo]

Sharing the thing you don't like... What are you trying to get, really

[oblique lotus]

ok, so "I've been using X against Y and I don't think it's cutting the mustard, what's a good option?" is better?

or am I better off just asking "what's good against Y" ?

[compact silo]

Okay yeah in that case you're seeking advice. That's a worthwhile goal

That passes step zero

[compact silo]

This ^

[compact silo]

This does not pass step zero.

[dusty spruce]

would it still transfer damage to main after the part is 'dead'? Since I think you need ~5 full Totals to kill a Vox

[oblique lotus]

gotcha, I think I'm dialed in now

ty

[compact silo]

Amko

Whoops

Amko is correct

[knotty folio]

AIUI nope - Misc had been suggesting for finishing it after a Leveller, but now I want to see someone Variable the lights + 3 vents to kill one

[compact silo]

In that like, "constructive" is sorta fake

[keen zinc]

the feedback isnt being fed back to anyone here, right, no devs or anything

[oblique lotus]

oh incidentally while I'm here I kinda underestimated how far the NEAT clusters spread because holy moly those go far if you fire them into walls or generally not the floor

[compact silo]

Constructive in what sense? Building a more correct model of exactly what is bad in your coop horde shooter?

Because really you're not talking to the devs

This is not the granvir discord feedback channel

So in reality you're just kinda better dialing in to what you hate and you can't control it and you're gonna feel worse probably and make others feel worse

[knotty folio]

Bouncing them off of the bottom of dropships/warp ships is great against reinforcement waves

[hazy oriole]

please don't ping me when replying to those messages in the future, i don't want to be reminded of how big of a mess i've made

[compact silo]

Understood <3 fwiw it's not just you like ten people jumped in to support you

It's cultural stuff

[hazy oriole]

thanks

[graceful bluff]

I hope they give us the experimental orbitals permanently soon though, the walking smoke was so fun

and I already miss it

[dusty spruce]

The best part was when the NEAT first came. Firing it into a Bug Hole to generate a wretched orb of random death as it shotgunned the clusters everywhere. They got some insane distance.

[knotty folio]

The experimental orbitals have been a bunch of fun

[dark plover]

Does Warrant target through smoke?

[blissful sparrow]

The Experimental 120 was my favorite, felt really great to use

[wind arrow]

i wonder if it's possible, if those are implemented, to like, equip the regular version when they're rotated to be experimental so that for the specific helldiver, it comes out regular, and have experimental be free for everyone else

[knotty folio]

Dang Arrowhead, giving us FOMO by having time-limited silly orbitals

[wind arrow]

fuck i forgot to disable ping, apologies if you don't want them, honest mistake

[graceful bluff]

I could see it being something to sink samples into

like sink samples in, get X shots of the experimental

[wind arrow]

oooh

[dusty spruce]

That could be a good use for a super sample slot of the DSS

providing the funky experimental orbitals

[graceful bluff]

just steal the warframe helminth system

:v

[wind arrow]

hell, do a two-staged cost, buyout or rent for one run

blacklight retribution's economy must have made a big impession on me

[dark plover]

I really like the idea of experimental strats as DSS or planet modifiers

[blissful sparrow]

i do like experimentals to not be a permanent thing. it keeps things varied and cycling them means there is an incentive to put things in your loadout that you don't normally use

I just think the 120 deserves to be useful and can always have EMP shells 😔

Making them too reliably available just means they are a choice and not a shakeup

[wind arrow]

oh i was under the impression that the suggestion was to have a rotation of experimentals

otherwise it'd just be more unlocks

like 120 and EMP 120

[dusty spruce]

mhm, with the DSS idea I don't think it'd be all of them at once, but maybe a random one whenever the buff gets rotated around, either in rotation or unique ones in line with the idea of the Super Uranium.
every orbital explosive getting hellbomb size blasts /s

[knotty folio]

...now I want an Expendable Gacha callin

90s cooldown, drops an entirely random blue stratagem

[dark plover]

Orbital Hellbomb Gatling Barrage

[knotty folio]

You'll take what you get and make it work

[wind arrow]

the tekken mokujin of calldowns

[dark plover]

I would love this

[dusty spruce]

I do sorta want that because I think it would be hell

[dark plover]

Flavor it as it's just whatever Super Earth has a surplus of at the time

Or like, theres a set of preloaded hellpods and someone deleted the documentation specifying what's inside

[blissful sparrow]

Orbital Precision Single Gatling Shot

Pew

[knotty folio]

On a like 5-10s cooldown that would be a lot of fun

[verbal summit]

Give it a long input

[blissful sparrow]

1 Second Cooldown, 10 Input callin

[verbal summit]

Just to make that the hardest part of it

[dark plover]

Smoke Eagle Strafing run would be legitimately awesome

[knotty folio]

I've been meaning to set up voice recognition callins and that would make it even better

Spending the mission just saying "pew" every couple seconds

[dusty spruce]

It would be interesting with that if it would also include blue strategems from warbonds you don't already have.
Give a in-world way to test things before you buy, without trying to bum it off a teammate.

Since we don't have a try-before-you-buy or shooting range type thing

[blissful sparrow]

Actually, the earlier mention of Blacklight made me realize that i want an orbital Scan pulse that just highlights enemies in an area

[dusty spruce]

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Helldivers_1:Humblebee_UAV_drone

yesss...

return it to me

[knotty folio]

Aren't there armor passives that do that for you? Scan around your ping on the map, that is

[blissful sparrow]

not talking about a map reveal, but a direct visual reveal in your field of vision through obstructions.
Mostly because lately i've been suffering from all the smoke from grenades and explosions on cyberstand and i just want to be able to see enemies again to shoot at them 😄

[knotty folio]

Ahhh gotcha. Like outlines through walls/smokes/etc

That would be very nifty

[split parcel]

Sonar wall hacks

[dusty spruce]

I could see that also being super popular on the Bugs, if it also detects invisible Stalkers

[blissful sparrow]

Also helps in Gloom/Spore tower/Spewer/Spore Charger clouds

[dusty spruce]

honestly, fuck yes please. I'd sacrifice a strat spot for that on nighttime city maps as well.

[heady halo]

de-orbital super destroyer lithobreaking

you can no longer resuply but whatever is there is no longer there

(other people can resupply from their super destroyers, you only crashed yours)

[blissful sparrow]

Combing eagle smoke to create a wall and then tossing a scan behind it to mow down unsuspecting victims also sounds like a fun thing to clear out enemies with less danger to the team

i think its actual utility would be very Cooldown/Duration/Area based, lots of potential there for it to fall either way

[knotty folio]

Honestly that could also be a neat support weapon

Big scanner you carry around

[split parcel]

Was thinking of Screamer Grenades that would hinder enemies in an area periodically, but then I remembered Urchin exists lmao

Fun nade, I should pack it again sometime

[blissful sparrow]

actually, scan grenade sounds more reasonable than scan strategem 😄 less pressure to be super strong there

[knotty folio]

Wait, can the Urchin stun Vox Engines? That might be really good actually

[split parcel]

No clue, haven't had the most time to try out stuff on Cyberstan other than comfort picks

[dusty spruce]

It might stun the main body, but the guns seem semi-separate (firing after the main body dies), so it may not work entirely as intended, if it even can

[knotty folio]

I have enjoyed how much Cyberstan has pushed me out of my comfort picks for stratagems - like, I still bring a dog and an AT Emplacement but not having access to Eagles and needing a solution to Voxen has made me try a bunch of stuff I don't often bring

[wind arrow]

actually, as someone who is almost permanently sticking to diff 5, do higher diff divers bring precision strikes?

[dusty spruce]

some do, I don't. Too bad at leading strike times

[spare verge]

it's nice for specifically the detector towers

it along with 500kg can destroy them

[wind arrow]

as far as diff 5 is concerned, prec feels really comfy to me

[knotty folio]

It's pretty rare to see, you really want your stratagems to either kill heavies, kill entire reinforcement waves, or have a specific other purpose

And EATs kill two heavies on 67% of the cooldown

[blissful sparrow]

i do actually bring OPS quite often into bots if i'm not using a spammable explosive Strategem weapon.
Just tossing one onto a bot fab or similar when i'm not in a position to hit the vents is very comfortable

[knotty folio]

Or three if you hit them with the pod

[spare verge]

it's comfortable for "I want this static structure gone"

[wind arrow]

ye, historically as someone who can forget to bring other forms of spawner kills, i rely on OPS for that purpose

[spare verge]

sometimes you can hit dropships with it

have to be pretty quick on the draw though

if you miss it lands on the drop anyway

[knotty folio]

My viewpoint is probably a bit warped because my group is addicted to Thermites, which do the same job of removing spawners

[blissful sparrow]

ie i tried out Quasar on cyberstan earlier today, no OPS there
But i brought it with an earlier Spear loadout, cause the spear ammo is a tad too sparse to use it on fabs, so having the low cooldown OPS to toss out was just handy

[dusty spruce]

With the Prec Strike
It's got a wicked quick cooldown, but I think it suffers really heavily from strat ball bounce, because of just how precise it is.
So much of cyberstan feels slippery to me, I'd be worried about missing too much there.

[spare verge]

my usual loadout lately has been the stealth armor, censor, talon, frags with c4, mg sentry, laser sentry, and OPS

[dusty spruce]

How is the C4?

[spare verge]

excellent

you can throw it pretty far and detonate it fairly quick for active AT use

the downside is you only get one bomb per ammo pickup, though resupply pods fully refill the backpack

you can toss four of the seven you can carry onto a factory strider to kill it

or one per war strider

[knotty folio]

Precision Strike is also slightly awkward for me because I really like stratagems with specifically 60 or 120 (or 128) second cooldowns

[dusty spruce]

ok it being one per war makes it worth it in my book

[knotty folio]

And 90 seconds is out of sync with those

[split parcel]

I'm normally not a stealth diver but C4 does look very fun

[oblique lotus]

I usually want more uptime than the OPS gets

[dusty spruce]

I assume it has to be a crotch bomb

[oblique lotus]

EATs is two rockets in 2/3 of the time, etc

[spare verge]

more or less? I haven't been paying too close attention

but yeah with some practice you can just huck it at a war strider from a distance or behind cover and swap to the detonator to blow it as soon as it connects

and cycle pretty quick to take out multiple before needing to resupply

[oblique lotus]

The eagle 110s imo do a lot of what I want the OPS to do with significantly higher frequency and uptime

[spare verge]

it taking up a backpack slot means it's effectively competing with the spear or recoilless for AT purposes

[supple siren]

It can take out a group of them real quick

[spare verge]

you get 7 bombs you can toss out rapidly in exchange for less individual damage and some fiddliness working with it (you have to hold R to swap between placing and detonating), but it has great flexibility

[supple siren]

No reload and oneshot on any portion of a War Strider

Oh! They introduced an option to hotkey weapon mode switching recently

[spare verge]

👀

[dusty spruce]

oh shit, really?

[supple siren]

Yesss it's been so great for c4

And the warrant but that one's sillier

[spare verge]

or when sneaking you can plant charges on a base's fabricators and then detonate them all from a safe distance

[dusty spruce]

I'll need to hotkey that to one of my mouse buttons. Being able to swap between HEAT and HE on the RR would be great. And that only makes the C4 more appealing

[supple siren]

Ooh I should try the Halt with it

But my shotgun times have been enthralled by Double Freedom

[keen zinc]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fred-durst-4

[spare verge]

the c4 also fulfills my dreams of having read wraith squadron at an impressionable age and thinking kell tainer was cool

[naive hawk]

i've killed them with 2 sticks

[spare verge]

probably depends on where they stick

[naive hawk]

yeah i hit them on the side of the body

[naive hawk]

the hotkey mode swap also lets you switch modes while diving which you can't do normally

[graceful bluff]

I just wish the quick switch also worked for the double freedom but they changed it to left side rather than right side for some reason

[split parcel]

I've gotta fiddle with the hotkey swapping on controller so I can get back to Halt gaming

Think I had it set up for Variable so it might still be good there

Variable + Warrant has been awesome on squids tbh

Total mode Variable 2-taps fleshmobs and with good aim you can nail the eye on a Harvester for a oneshot

[supple siren]

Warrant has become a favorite Scout Be Gone device and with modeswap it's just a headshotter for Voteless, s'niiice

[keen zinc]

@azure pewter

[supple siren]

Elmer Fudd shotgunning his own face style bug

[split parcel]

I use it because the elevated overseers annoy me lmao. Much nicer on controller to just be able to say "go away"

Def true for the watchers too though, just being able to quickly dump them to stop a drop

Airburst rocket launcher is a godsend on Illuminate too

[supple siren]

I've been uh struggling to not bring Warp Pack Gigaton Hammer into everything

it's just a romp and shockingly effective

[heady halo]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone want to dive in a minute?

[heady halo]

i tried hammer but after the second time using it killed me and not the target I put it down for a minute lmao

[keen zinc]

@shrewd tiger all my funniest clips are Death getting completely owned

[split parcel]

I've done that loadout too, highly enjoyed taking the new Siege Breaker armor with it, if I get smacked I can run more

And the warp pack also damages you if you double tap it so it's another burst of stamina on demand pretty much

[supple siren]

I've been doing that in the 175, offset the chonkiness and you can survive two hits from a damnb Alpha Commander

and yeaaa

I'm not sure if the heavier armor makes the self-inflicted damage lower, but it tends to work on damn near everything

[split parcel]

Yeah its a hoot

[knotty folio]

Someday there will be a HD2 ping when I'm neither working nor sleeping ;_;

[strange vine]

I use warrant on bots cause a single burst is enough to kill a trooper. Good sidearm to use when i really dont want to aim

[supple siren]

I'm too Ultimatum'd on bots, but should try.. can probably blam down cyborgs

[blissful sparrow]

I'm a traditionalist with the Senator

[unreal merlin]

Talon continues to be my primary secondary, to the point that oftentimes it becomes my primary primary where I just neglect the SMG I don't like but am trying to level up

[keen zinc]

dear god the limp bizkit vox engine mod might be the most fun thing ever

[cobalt patrol]

I would but i'm about to go for a walk

[cobalt patrol]

Honestly on cyberstan i think teh Ulti is better, simply because it helps crack war striders/vox engines

[blissful sparrow]

i do prefer talon into bugs, as its an excellent Stalker panic button with its uncapped firerate when one suddenly appears inside explosive crossbow explosion radius 😄

[cobalt patrol]

and Censor or Tridetn will clean sweep mediums and chaff

For general purpose missions, or bots that arent cyberstan, talon all the way

[supple siren]

Ulti with Shield Grenades has been lovely too, removes a big chunk of the trouble zones

[unreal merlin]

I greatly enjoy my sidearm that can dump 5 rounds into any devastator to guarantee a kill, that then automatically "reloads"

[supple siren]

Trident feels kinda wild

Thing melts

[keen zinc]

https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/11157

[unreal merlin]

Trident is crazy good

[keen zinc]

this genuinely makes Cyberstan like 50000% more fun

[supple siren]

but it -is- an ice planet, too

[keen zinc]

hearing NEXT IN LINE TO GET FUCKED UP suddenly as a Vox drops on you

[blissful sparrow]

actually, the funniest thing about the trident to me is that it doesn't count shots fired, which leads to very funny score screens

[keen zinc]

is so fucking GREAT

[unreal merlin]

You might think it only being light pen means it's not good vs devastators but actually you just gutshot them a bunch and cut them in half

[dark plover]

Once we get back to bugs/squids, I'm looking forward to rolling Trident / Talon and just switching back and forth

[unreal merlin]

Or headshot because even though it's got crazy scatter it just has enough shots fast enough you can blindly hit the head

[blissful sparrow]

had a mission earlier where me and a buddy both had trident, 150 kills each, i fired 4 shots, he fired 1 shot, both exactly 100% accuracy

[knotty folio]

I always enjoy Eruptor stat screens for the same reason, usually something like 300 kills, 150 shots fired

[blissful sparrow]

Pacifier (?) is also amusing for that, as it can "Hit" multiple times per shot, so there is often a 150-300% accuracy on the end screen

[cobalt patrol]

Deadeye also does this

especially on Squids as it overpens Voteless

I think my best shot has gotten 3 voteless in one bullet.

[knotty folio]

I think Eruptor tracks hits with the primary projectile, I usually have about 70-80% accuracy which meshes with the occasional shot into a wall to kill devs/chaff

Which is unfortunately sensible

[cobalt patrol]

Also i would have done really well on death count that mission if i hadnt, variously:"

Blown my self up with the Epoch twice
Killed a teamate with the Ultiamtium on acicdnet (I pulled the trigger expecting a trident shot.)

[knotty folio]

smh I would never kill a teammate with the Ultimatum

I would just blow myself up when I quick swap to the Talon to get a jet trooper out of my face

[blissful sparrow]

actually had the funniest leveller death earlier:
Walked up to a bile titan, fired it straight at its face... and it turned exactly in that moment, so the leveller instead impacted the tip of its knee, just close enough to ragdoll me away and smack into into a wall 20 meters away killing me with the impact

[keen zinc]

i love lure mines as just a

AT frisbee

[dusty spruce]

the fucking underhand throw
'here, catch!'

[keen zinc]

slapping a mine on a war strider or hulks bepis to render them to smitheroons

[glacial light]

Real

[glacial light]

I think it's cause the shrapnel hits count as shots fired or some wonkiness. Or maybe Stratagems seem to count I am a big strafe user and there's no way I fired like 2000+ shots with the eruptor and commando

[knotty folio]

Turrets count

But only sometimes I think

[knotty folio]

Wait how does this oneshot a hulk? I thought Lure Mines only did 1k damage, but if they're able to 1hko heavies I might need to get that warbond

Oh, is the radius enough to hit the vents?

[graceful bluff]

8m radius

and also just hits multiple parts

[knotty folio]

Hm, so I assume one of them kills tanks but not war striders?

[graceful bluff]

I think warstriders 2?

[knotty folio]

Makes sense

[graceful bluff]

The thing i was most surprised about is that the crossbow can apparently kill hulks in the eye incredibly easily

[knotty folio]

...huh, that's weird

I wonder if it's actually hitting the eye that matters or if it's just that hitting the front in general splashes the vents?

[graceful bluff]

I was getting red markers on the eye for some reason and I have no idea why

[knotty folio]

Red definitely makes me think it was the splash, since even if the projectile were doing AP4 or the eye were AV3 it should be grey

[graceful bluff]

it was the jet brigade but it's still heavy except for the jetpack

which is AV3

so I shouldn't be getting reds

[glacial light]

I wonder if the explosion is reaching the jetpack

[knotty folio]

The vents are unarmored which is why I'm guessing that's what was giving reds

[graceful bluff]

even then it shouldn't be red

the jetpack hulk doesn't have a vent I think?

[knotty folio]

Oh huh that's a very good point

[keen zinc]

It one shots if placed on any part but the arms in my experience

Two shots war striders on the groin or legs

[knotty folio]

Maybe test crossbowing the Bastion? See if it gets reds there, maybe it was shadowbuffed?

[keen zinc]

https://youtu.be/2HiUectTy9Y?t=76&si=BYyx2wIIA0iY3FwB

How it feels to kill hulks with lure mines

[split parcel]

God I can't wait for Total War 40k

[dusty spruce]

Now I’m going to have to go listen to the sly marbo yell

[keen zinc]

SLY MARBOOOO

[cobalt patrol]

The one time I tried lure mines I mostly vaporized myself

[keen zinc]

this is me vaporizing Death

[graceful bluff]

Modding is great all games should allow modding

(turns the flamer drone into avdol's stand)

[ivory swallow]

Seems that we will have like 2 days or so for transcendence

If it stays at 3% we would need like 5% to take it

[dusty spruce]

It may be possible, as long as the bulk of players end up on Transcendence, and in the event that doesn't then alter the calculus for the Forces in Reserve

[graceful bluff]

oooh I learned something very nice

epoch oneshots jetpack hulks as long as you hit them

[delicate aspen]

afaik its as long as you get the jetpacks midair they die no matter what

[graceful bluff]

Yeah but what I mean is that the epochs aoe is big enough and with enough damage that no matter where you hit them you'll kill em

[dusty spruce]

Mhm, it's a wonderful feeling. Though I think most explosives have a wide enough aoe to zap the jetpack
I think it's only got ~750 hp

[delicate aspen]

<@&1206091872716595200> the march for cyberstan calls

[graceful bluff]

yeah, it's more that you get a massive 15 shots of epoch

[dusty spruce]

yesss
The epoch is still my go-to for Bots. It only really struggles against super heavies, but there are plenty of options to tackle them
plus since levelers are everywhere at the moment...

[keen zinc]

https://klipy.com/gifs/odst-buck-1

[spare verge]

I'm kind of hoping super earth loses this one

[weary granite]

Insert one same joke here.

[azure rock]

it makes me feel a lot better about getting ragdolled by everything in cyberstan knowing that yeah we're the baddies lets just get tossed around for a bit because of a dedicated event specifically for getting tossed around for a bit

[spare verge]

the cyborgs are just way cooler than us

[azure rock]

id love to be able to run up and roundhouse kick infantry

the elites are doing some rts shit to us

[hazy oriole]

Ngl an RTS where you can play as Super Earth's enemies would be fucking sick

I'd love to drop a charger on some SEAF

[spare verge]

I feel like they set it up so we'll grind for transcendence and lose so the cyborgs start mounting a counteroffensive (and filter onto other planets for long term gameplay)

[azure rock]

ten thousand hulks on the med pen sentry spammers

[spare verge]

with some contingency in case we pull out a victory

[azure rock]

im doing my part (being bad at the game and depleting the reserve count)

[spare verge]

they already feel like RTS factions with their base setups

[hazy oriole]

o7 for a free cyberstan

oh it'd be so fucking awesome of they rub it in our faces if we lose

similarly to the transmissions they did beforehand

[azure rock]

yess

[spare verge]

I'm not going to actively throw because I play this game for fun but fingers crossed

[azure rock]

im so glad they brought back the laser shotgun too

every time i pick it up off of the corpse of a friend who has it i do so much better

helps that i used it in hd1

also yeah im not actively throwing im just kinda like that lol

[spare verge]

I wonder if you could make a helldiver faction work in an RTS, where you have no bases but super destroyers and budget for resources

then seaf for a more normal super earth faction

[azure rock]

that would be interesting

just send in troops wherever and artillery them

[delicate aspen]

just had a mission we were forced to abandon cause the last main obj hardlocked us out of using the terminal to blow up the obj

[tight zephyr]

I had that bug a few days ago too.

In other news, Cyberstan has given me a new appreciation for the bubble shield stratagem.

[spare verge]

the free stratagems have been nice to encourage you to try things out

[keen zinc]

I been enjoying personal shield and leveller

[spare verge]

free bubble shields on day 1 came in clutch

another thing that'd be nice in a helldiver RTS is the traditional expectation of a storyline for each faction

[hazy oriole]

i miss my free eats so much

[graceful bluff]

free eats with smoke pods was incredibly nice

[supple siren]

Double EAT-IT felt like a holiday

'how will i solve this conundrum, perhaps my infinite rocket launchers'

[normal juniper]

ik this dude made a malevelon creek video a couple years back but i felt obligated to share this one bc it Whips ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ3iMSZPV7E

[marble talon]

now this really whips the llama's ass

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> Any divers around?

[true seal]

I love how insane and chaotic Cyberstan is

Fighting for my fucking life every second

[cobalt patrol]

Morep eople need to bring smoke nades

yo ucan do so much with smokes on cyberstan

[odd arch]

could this be the mythical front that justifies smoke barrage's existence or still nah

[hexed steeple]

smoke barrage has been gas

[dusty spruce]

I'd say so. The orbital smoke walking barrage was really handy for me.

[delicate aspen]

idk what it is since the MO failure but ive had 4 missions entirely bugout, all on cyberstan

[dusty spruce]

Still the production facility or various ones?

[delicate aspen]

various, had the destroy airbase one and the valves one tweak out, as in the button to interact wit hthem just fully fucks off

[stone bridge]

That'd be smoke barrage being buffed to equal the cool down of orbital gas actually

[odd arch]

it'd also have to offer something over the already questionable eagle smoke strike

which, even as a smoke addict I don't think I'd try to convince someone else to take eagle smoke

and it's still a realm above orbital smoke

[stone bridge]

nah

Orbital smoke covers an insane radius and it's very thick

[dusty spruce]

I've seen someone destroy a detector tower with a smoke strike, so it does have that going for it as well

[stone bridge]

It can also destroy objectives since it has demo force 60

And drops multiple shells

[hexed steeple]

that gate breaching maneuver you did with it was badass

[stone bridge]

tacticool

[graceful bluff]

It's a non explosive 120mm shell, same with the gas and ems, so it has enough demo force yeah

[keen zinc]

It what

Since when

<@&1206091872716595200> I just woke up who wants to shoot people for ideologically wrong reasons

[sage plume]

alr ill show up

[cobalt patrol]

I don't think it's worth it.

it's too slow on cooldown, and eats up a precious strat slot

Prefer having gas grenades

er, smoke grenades

and taking a different strat.

[keen zinc]

🦂

[heady halo]

something is fuckey with my mic

[unreal merlin]

Orbital smoke has been a godsend, and smoke grenades have as well. I didn't like walking smoke barrage for the same reason I don't like walking barrage: too high cooldown, too imprecise and inconsistent (it's 1 smoke + 3 shells each volley)

I feel like orbital smoke was changed recently though because it feels like it has much more volume that it used to. I remember it being just a little phut of the stuff but now on cyberstan it covers a huge radius within which you can easily fight through waves of bots

My friend group is now in the habit of using genuine smoke-and-maneuver tactics to cross dangerous sight lines thanks to all the alleyways and buildings

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> need 2 more https://discord.gg/Xdtustgn

[glacial light]

Demoforce 60 same as hellbomb, not 50 like other orbital strikes?

60 would mean it could destroy gunship towers and research stations

[azure rock]

i gotta try smoke tactics

how good are they with the other factions?

[unreal merlin]

Not as good but I guess you might make it work. Their bigger emphasis on melee swarming kinda means they don't care as much about it

[keen zinc]

jet brigade makes them less useful

[unreal merlin]

Merry little suicide bombers

[odd arch]

how long till cyberstan is over

if the exclusive content ends before I finally get to play the game I will shit myself

[keen zinc]

today or tomorrow

[odd arch]

RAUGH

[spare verge]

it's a bit longer than that

we've got approximately 60 hours of reserves left

and we're 12 hours from taking star kield

and then an unknown amount of time to take transcendence, which we may or may not manage before running out of reserves

[keen zinc]

yeah but I imagine once the capital is accessible, a huge surge of people are gonna run in and die

rapid reserve depletion

[odd arch]

considering pulling a fourth day of sleep deprivation at work just to experience it once

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slugcats-gif-2463767038369158224

[iron path]

General Brasch posting

[ivory swallow]

yeah, were gonna have 48 hours to take transcendence

they lowered it to 2.5% tho

its up in the air imo

[dusty spruce]

It’s going to have more health than the previous tier of factories. I’m fairly certain total victory isn’t possible, minus a miracle. May as well keep fighting, though.

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some low to medium intensity Cyberstan in a few minutes?

[cobalt patrol]

What is low to medium intensity?

[keen zinc]

5 or 6-7

I still want Massive Enemies

[cobalt patrol]

I'll do some d7s

wont be on vox, but d7 is good

[keen zinc]

But I do like not having to bring Every Big Gun to deal with high diffs number of Vox Engines

Port Hellbomb, Solo Silo, and Leveller in every mission starts feeling restrictive

[cobalt patrol]

@keen zinc i'm fre now, so join on me?

OR actually i should join on you, unless you wanna do a d7 weith spread democracy in it

[keen zinc]

I'll join in a sec

[cobalt patrol]

Just @ me when you're ready.

[keen zinc]

raaa raaa

[cobalt patrol]

1034-2044 is my friend code

so add me

and trhow me an invite

[keen zinc]

HEHEHE

[cobalt patrol]

Can't connect to you

[keen zinc]

we keep tryna join eachother

ok ok ill be da host

[cobalt patrol]

I'mma take a break for now

[keen zinc]

yarp

[cobalt patrol]

hungry and need food

[oblique lotus]

using the hellpack offensively is a crap shoot but when it goes off it goes off

[delicate aspen]

i believe i speak for a bunch of us here... fuck

this is gonna be a miserable time

[strange vine]

https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/10794

[graceful bluff]

Lock in, attach hellbomb, run towards target

[graceful bluff]

I still wish they'd do pride flag capes because not only would it be in character for super earth, it would piss off the worst people that play helldivers to no end

[strange vine]

https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/11195

[graceful bluff]

I'm using the other one at the moment because when you really need a leveler you rarely have time to go first person :v

[oblique lotus]

so are mods just.,..allowed?

[delicate aspen]

im using the 3d recticle for the leveller, shit slaps

[strange vine]

yeah there are community mod loaders to handle stuff too

and the modding community is pretty robust too

[oblique lotus]

also is transcendence up yet?

star kield was briefly liberated but now it's not?

[graceful bluff]

Their anticheat can't even stop an unobfuscated cheat engine not like they'd be able to detect modding anyway so they just let it happen unless you're being a dick about it and get reported(see: cheat engine)

[graceful bluff]

Like I had a game the other day where someone just started spawning in super credits with stratagems

[oblique lotus]

oboy

[keen zinc]

Time to get a good night's rest

For tomorrow is time for the GRINDER

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/RmrBmvQW8c

[graceful bluff]

So about that good nights rest :v

[keen zinc]

I can't sleep ever

[weary granite]

I fucking called it.

I will now proceed to sob uncontrollably.

I don't want to go to Transcendence boss.

I'm gonna get hit with the three piece Automaton Deluxe.

Cyborg roundhouse kick into Jet Devastator shield bash into Incinerator Shotgun skeet shot.

[graceful bluff]

It's time to stealth armor hellbomb, incineration corps can't hurt you if they only have two states, not knowing you're there, and tasting the god particle

Also I just realized a terrible future

vox engine on commando missions

[weary granite]

Bruh I would shit myself.

I would shit harder if Commando missions are where you find Hounds again. Except this time they are more purpose built for actually sniffing out stealth commandos.

[graceful bluff]

cod waw flashbacks

[weary granite]

Also...

Is it bad I want a Helldivers style RTS?

[graceful bluff]

there is that recent starship troopers one that I've heard very good things about

[unreal merlin]

I can confirm that it is cyborgs + fire bots + jetpack bots all at the same time. It's a lot, but also there's zero berserkers.

[weary granite]

zero berserkers means nothing when you got:

• Run Em Down Cyborgs
• Initial D.Evastators
• Red Dead-Eyed Devastator
• Mount Vox Engine

[weary granite]

Yeah fair but it would be very cool.

Factions could be like:

• Super Earth Federation
• Helldivers
• Automaton Legion
• Terminid Swarm
• Resurgent Illuminate
• Super Earth Dissidents

[dark plover]

I've just been jumpacking between objectives while my teammates fight off hordes of jetbots and incendiary devastators.

[weary granite]

I pray for your teammates.

[dark plover]

Their unnecessary sacrifice will be remembered. 🫡

[burnt vapor]

Honestly having one person go off and win the mission while the others fight the nigh eternal bot hyperwar seems to be a functional strategy (and often what my missions devolve into once the Vox parade begins)

[dark plover]

It definitely feels like having everyone just run away is a lot harder vs the Jet Brigade

[odd arch]

dawn of war 2 if played badly enough

[graceful bluff]

I learned some really nice things about the borgs

you can crouch/prone to duck their melee hits

And the kick emote is just the right height to hit em in the nuts and bolts

[glacial light]

HD2 most patriotic fighting game

[idle hollow]

the entire hd2 discord is going “yeah let’s lose by saving a stupid regiment of cannon fodder”

awesome

[agile fable]

Fantastic

[shy sigil]

seafs have been putting work letting us take down factories so

[harsh kayak]

Like so?

[burnt vapor]

Wouldn't taking Transcendence and therefore collapsing the entire cyberstan defence also save the SEAF Regiment?

[shy sigil]

estimates say that we wont be able to get trascendence with the current stock anyway

its either keep trying to punch a wall and hope it budges or save the seaf

[idle hollow]

yes

[strange vine]

Honestly id rather we fail taking cyberstan narratively and doing so because we saved a seaf regiment would be neat

[weary granite]

Those who leave our glorious SEAF bois to perish are no divers of mine.

[spare verge]

it does feel like a good opportunity to have the playerbase feel like we accomplished something other than (narrative) grinding misery for a week for nothing

[shy sigil]

technically not we basically touched their doors and fucked up 4 of their equivalent Mega cities

[blissful sparrow]

Didn't the Squids do more when the touched the doors of Super Earth?

[shy sigil]

2 lasted standing, Equality and the one from Arrowheads location

[dusty spruce]

This is my thought as well, just looking at the numbers we ain't taking Transcendence.
but this gives the community a lovely out. A sort of moral victory.
though, instead I think the numbers will split and neither will be accomplished

[verbal summit]

I imagi3n the average diver is like me

I just play what I wanna. If I don't feel like bots I won't. In the push for cyberstand I played bugs a bunch cus I couldn't stand fighting the incendiary corps

I also dont care much to follow the MO super strategically because I know they'll push whatever narrative they wanna

[spare verge]

yea

arrowhead can and will put their thumb on the scales

[verbal summit]

Yeah sure they won't outright decide for us

But they heavily influence

And frankly I dont care where the narrative goes

The story is fun to follow but I dont care to influence it myself

Whether it goes one way or the other ill get to see story either eay

Way

That and super earth should lose anyway cus they're evil

[glacial light]

I think we should lose more so we get even wilder plot points

[dusty spruce]

Yeah, it's best to approach this from this sort of attitude. We can tweak things but I think AH has been clear that there is a definite plotline we're supposed to follow.
It's like a TTRPG, moment to moment things can change but the plot will be obeyed.

[azure rock]

i think the bots should just start appearing in other factions from time to time with the cyborg win

like in patrols or something

[graceful bluff]

I really want a cyborg ambusher unit, basically their version of a stalker

[spare verge]

I have a feeling both victory and defeat on cyberstan will lead to "the automatons get more units/objectives/etc. in revenge for the attack on their homeworld"

[graceful bluff]

Sniper rifle, ghillie suit, doesn't show up on radar, stabs you if you get too close to what you think is a bush

[graceful bluff]

Basically them learning from the tactics used against them by stealth divers on cyberstan

[dusty spruce]

Honestly the Radicals are almost a stealth unit already

The amount of times I look around and see nothing before starting a terminal only to get punched in the back of my head

[normal juniper]

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[spare verge]

snipers with laser pointers so they can telegraph "you will die if you keep standing in the open", maybe

and/or a glint off their scopes

what if they had a unit like a starcraft ghost that could spot for off-map artillery 🤔

[dusty spruce]

Snipers would fit well for Automatons. Though I would rather something like that would go to Illuminate. They had a unit that did similar in HD1 and the HD2 illuminate desperately need love.

[blissful sparrow]

Good old Geth Infiltrators

[spare verge]

they could probably get them feeling reasonably distinct if they added bot and illuminate snipers

[dusty spruce]

True, true.

[spare verge]

would also be cool if they added another bot air unit soon, since they only have the 1 compared to bugs and illuminate each having 2

[strange vine]

i mean the details change and sometimes thats important? Like the Super Earth invasion could have resulted in losing super earth (where thered be a plotline of finding a new HQ), but both victory and defeat still would have resulted in SE getting revenge. Likewise, failing the Meridia dark fluid campaign would have still resulted in a dark fluid black hole, only on Moradesh instead. They have scenarios for winning and losing all of the big campaign events even if the greater narrative will remain the same (likely the bots seeking their own revenge in this case)

[shy sigil]

Also, there was the leaked video

so losing WAS a possibility

[tall stone]

I would love Cyberstan bloodying our nose in a true loss.

[sour falcon]

Echoes the Illuminates own attempt to take our capital planet and failing in a way

[oblique lotus]

Did a cyberstan run slinging around leveller + silo + hellpack + EAT and it wasnt bad

[spare verge]

did a bug mission for a change of pace and got a cool screenshot

[strange vine]

I want to believe

[dusty spruce]

looks like an Oddworld Slig in that orientation

[azure rock]

Oooh I know they'd never implement this (because why would you make a support enemy when they can just double down on the grunt fantasy)
A sniper enemy that shoots out disorienting gas/smoke at you that bots can see through but you can't without a flashlight

[graceful bluff]

Hacked guard dog drones

[spare verge]

evil.

[dusty spruce]

Little automaton drones would be neat. Especially rendered in their sort of 'dieselpunk'-y style

[azure rock]

as long as they dont call in bot drops

[dusty spruce]

They will eventually~
Actually speaking of, I don't know if it's Cyberstan specific or just happened in an update and I never noticed, but I swear it used to be only the gun+sword bots could send flares, but now I swear I see every kind doing it now.

[oblique lotus]

Every kind has been able to do it for a while

[blissful sparrow]

Others definitely can. I suspect they just have different AI weights on the actions they perform, so ie a rocket trooper will almost never call in reinforcements

[oblique lotus]

you can actually be really profligate with your munitions doing this and rarely get caught without anything off cooldown, I highly recommend

[strange vine]

yeah commissars do it the most often but every bot trooper/marauder can do it

[blissful sparrow]

i did a leveller + NEAT on Bugs a few days ago and it was hilarious how convenient everything was

[dusty spruce]

ah, kk.
and I'd guess the rocket troopers are weighted more against it since they can still snipe from a distance, and AH probably wants to avoid the the rocket trooper who ate all the carrots summoning a bot drop in the middle of nowhere

[supple siren]

Supposedly they also need LOS but it seems whimsical about it

[blissful sparrow]

a factor might also be that they can't interupt their own actions. and rocket troopers spend like 2 minutes reloading their launcher\

[dusty spruce]

definitely more of a suggestion (at least on Cyberstan), had plenty of flares going up from the straggler behind a wall.
This may also just be because of the combo of tighter spaces and taller walls make it easier to have this situation noticed/happen.

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> WE MUST SAVE THE 77TH

[strange vine]

https://bsky.app/profile/rrh-art.bsky.social/post/3melq4hhwbs26

◢ The-Red-Right-Hand ◣ (@rrh-art.bsky.social)

Not that I don't love the giant Vox Engines design, but- I just think they'd look neat with big stompy legs and big weapons

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Bluesky · Feb 11, 2026, 2:52 PM

[idle hollow]

we're not getting either of them lmao

no "actually winning" no "we totally won guise look" award

[keen zinc]

FUCK NUMBERS

DIVE FOR THE 77TH

[keen zinc]

main guns are just rapid fire versions of the war strider grenade volley guns

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> need 2 more for freedoms screechings

[strange vine]

Oh god planetary bombardment is back

[knotty folio]

I don't think I played the last time it was here, is it just random 380mm shells?

[delicate aspen]

oh fuck....

[dusty spruce]

oh god the free hellbombs.

[marble talon]

Super Earth will burn

[delicate aspen]

https://tenor.com/NN8y.gif

[knotty folio]

Looking at the wiki it's supposed to have come with free shield gen relays before, does it this time as well?

[marble talon]

glory to the Automatons and the Cyborgs of Cyberstan

[dusty spruce]

Companion app says yes

[strange vine]

Yes it does

[knotty folio]

Now I want to bring Shield Gen plus Portable Hellbomb plus barrages alongside the free ones, go maximum boom and shields

Shield 'Nades too probably

[dusty spruce]

companion app also says holy shit resistance numbers are microscopic.
Transcendence: 1.75%
Ursoot Nine: 0.33%
Solidaritet: 0.10%
Lurza: 0.08%

Solidaritet is due to be taken in 18hrs, well within the reinforcement budget

[heady halo]

the correct goverment is when a big computer tells you what to do for the good of everyone. i swear it on my machine fist.

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1r9bi8x/the_best_dss_action_is_back/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[spare verge]

The Computer is your friend! Happiness is mandatory.

[dusty spruce]

helldivers starting to look at Cyberstan like

[knotty folio]

Oooh I bet with Orbital Bombardment nobody will notice if I bring a Mortar Sentry

[keen zinc]

world war NOW

[rotund marten]

hey, we get to feel like heroes on the way out

let's go save the SEAF

[keen zinc]

yeah we should do that

my copium is wanting a 77th mobile infantry division cape

[oblique lotus]

oh did we lose?

[rotund marten]

apparently so

[oblique lotus]

eh fuck it I'm just here to kill robots

[knotty folio]

Ran out of reinforcements I believe