Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[keen zinc]

[oblique lotus]

The eye is 500 HP AV4 Durable 70% kills on destruction

[keen zinc]

👍

[oblique lotus]

Or just rocket the legs

Imo they're an easier kill than tanks are

[keen zinc]

[oblique lotus]

You can kill a war strider with one shot to the legs from any AT launcher that isnt the commando from any angle

Tanks need two from any aspect other than the rear

[spare verge]

I suppose my problem is enjoying AMR for bots

it takes how many? AMR shots into the eye or the joints compared to just being able to magdump the back of a tank without thinking much

[keen zinc]

You can dump 10 shots into a leg with the AMR

[oblique lotus]

3 AMR shots to the eye will kill it, one overcharged railgun to the eye

[keen zinc]

no need to hit perfect shots on the eye amidst combat

[spare verge]

I guess I just keep missing the eye since it doesn't feel like 3

[oblique lotus]

its a fairly tricky shot esp under pressure

[spare verge]

10 shots is more than a full magazine so it's not the quickest alternative

[keen zinc]

narp

but easier in combat conditions

[oblique lotus]

2 railguns to the legs plus 1 AP4 hit of basically any damage will also do it

or two to the hip joint but again tricky shot

[keen zinc]

nothing exists as a perfect target

[spare verge]

lately I've been really enjoying the c4 though

much easier to kill the war striders with

unless it's the last mission I did, which was an eradicate with wall to wall war striders

I saw 3 from one dropship

[keen zinc]

yeah omni is just, if you pull war strider constellation its

grenade hell

[spare verge]

and I only brought EAT and 3 reds since I wouldn't live long enough to use most support weapons anyway

won the mission on the last reinforcement (did not extract)

[keen zinc]

ive been bringing port hellbomb, leveller, solo silo, and railcannon for all cyberstan drops

[strange vine]

RR oneshots them from any angle, which i dislike. Give them AV6 armor from the front so RR needs 2 shots

[oblique lotus]

I usually don't run the RR so I'm neutral on that

[spare verge]

the stealthiest armor

[tame parcel]

I thought that was Reaper from Overwatch.

[dim silo]

You know things are fucked when you're actually considering the martyr set

[glacial light]

Just don't die - democracy protects

[tiny owl]

Been really enjoying siege ready on cyborg front; on a jump pack/epoch build it just lets you recover faster from the fun flying charge shots and disengage when you want

[glacial light]

I always run medic armor cause it let's me be stupid and be fine

Thta long stim does work when you're about to do something absolutely stupid

[tiny owl]

Medic is neat but the drip tax is too much for me to bear

[glacial light]

That's very fair

[graceful bluff]

there is a nice looking medium medic but I don't think you can get it anymore

[glacial light]

The fashion choices is abysmal for medic armor

RIP me who enjoys light medic armor

[graceful bluff]

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/TR-117_Alpha_Commander

[glacial light]

Yea that's the one I rjn

The one that has a green vaguely similar to normal armors

[graceful bluff]

oh huh it was made available to everyone at some point

[tiny owl]

I have it but it's just not my thing alas

[graceful bluff]

it's at least not colgate themed

[keen zinc]

White wolfin to the day i die which is every day because I have a terminal level of bravery, moxy, guts, esprit de corps, go getter attitude, hooah, fury, and am a real american hero

[steady flame]

This is why we are glued to Democracy Protects.
We simply cannot tear ourselves away from "but what if we didn't die?" :P

MissCodedVIIrOS (Her/She) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Just don't die - democracy protects

[dim silo]

I've lost the coinflip so much that I've decided to just say fuck it and use myself as a bomb ngl. Not like it's even bad, your death is a free hulk kill

[keen zinc]

My strategies involve such cunning maneuvers as: assault the enemy, flank the enemy, break contact and assault a different enemy, hit them with full stuff™, pour it on em, really get in there, and no mercy no respite AAAAA

"really get in there" has been less effective than normal on Cyberstan unfortunately

But "hit them with full stuff™" is very effective

[glacial light]

I do a skirmisher style gameplay and run through the backlines to beeline the objective, really get in there still works for objectives the issue is am I getting out

[rotund marten]

my usual kiting demolition tactics work quite well against anything other than warstrider seeds

[glacial light]

Which for the mega factories tended to be yes cause I just teleport through the nearest wall and be safe

[rotund marten]

warstrider seeds go really heavy on the warstriders and you just get juggled

[keen zinc]

Yarrrp

[glacial light]

City maps enemies tend to be outside the walls I assume cause there's just less space to exist but same enemy density

[keen zinc]

I can't really dosido and push up on tanks and voxes with such a dense cluster of explosions going on

[glacial light]

I just haven't played with war strider mods, they're just too tough for how much they spawn normally. At least hulks have a myriad of ways to deal with their numbers

[keen zinc]

Most people agree on that

The new enemies show a move in the right direction so maybe soon we'll see a better rebalance of them, because they ARE a cool design

[glacial light]

I hope in normal missions engines dont spawn in large numbers at once but more similar to factory striders. Cyborgs I think are just well done

Theyre pretty much good as is imo

[keen zinc]

Yarrp

[rotund marten]

voxes are very cool to fight when there's not 20 of them

warstriders are the only bot enemy that I occasionally think is just unfun

gunships get me a lot because I don't normally come equipped for anti-aircraft but that's a me problem

[glacial light]

I dont mind voxes can be in large numbers, its moreso when like 3 are dropshipped in at once. I would be fine if it was like a timer where one drops every minute at most and if it gets to large numbers thats on us we didnt deal with them fast enough while being in that area

[rotund marten]

warstriders on the other hand spawn in such numbers that I can empty all my ultis, all my thermites, an orbital laser and a can of C4 and still get ran over

[glacial light]

Yea Warstriders just eat your AT

I dont mind hulk surge cause there are plenty of ways to deal with them and you can kill them with light pen if needed, your entire kit could be used to deal with hulks

Whereas warstriders you basically can only deal with via heavy and AT

[oblique lotus]

honestly I think the war striders are fine

you just need a lot of AT

NEAT + EAT+ Leveller + hellpack has been getting me through

[glacial light]

Is that the response to war striders, being dedicated to basically only AT

[oblique lotus]

I was running something similar against voxes

but basically a huge AoE horde clear stratagem and then the rest AT

[glacial light]

Voxes dont spawn in the numbers war striders do

[oblique lotus]

yeah but voxes take more killing per vox

I can pop two war striders per EAT drop

[rotund marten]

I've been running portabomb/solo silo/leveller/frags on cyberstan and that is fine for voxes and sad against warstriders

the alternative is ulti/c4/reds

which is more even

but you have to make sure you keep hold of your C4

the all-expendable-nukes setup is pleasingly disposable

[glacial light]

2 war striders every 60ish seconds doesnt seem like a lot

I feel like itd still get overrunned with war striders even if I used EATs purely for war striders

I am not a fan of how war striders are large in number and demand AT because it taxes your AT usage unless you go all out everything AT

[unreal merlin]

It'd be real nice if their kill-vent on the back wasn't also heavy-pen

[glacial light]

I feel like a good amount of my big guy killer on bots goes towards war striders, every other enemy has ways to kill with normal guns

[unreal merlin]

On this topic, just yesterday I was killing war striders with 2x breach hammers to the leg or one to the groin but now that isn't working and it takes ~5 hits. I have no idea why this is.

[glacial light]

Were you the host/not host all those times?

[unreal merlin]

I think I was the host, but just did a mission where the host (not me) was also having this problem

[glacial light]

No clue, I know explosives tend to be wonky depending on who's hosting but this doesn't seem like the case here

[oblique lotus]

primary AT is the leveller, EATs are cleanup/incidental

[knotty folio]

TBH my biggest gripe with War Striders nowadays is that they displace tanks

Which is a shame because I really like the design of tanks

[glacial light]

Yea tanks you can kill via vents if theyre trained on someone else, or run around so the vent is facing your team if its aiming at you

No AT needed

Hulks you can circle around, they turn slowly enough for it

[knotty folio]

It's less that they have non-AT options (though that is nice) so much as it is I like how they hold an angle

They're a lot more dangerous to you than War Striders if they're looking at you in open space but much slower to reposition, it makes for fun tactics

[glacial light]

Thats also good

I do enjoy bots cause a lot of bots are signed to be deadly at one angle

And flanking a bot is pretty big for most bots

Shooting vents, around shields, shooting less armored places on sides/back

Positioning adds a ton

[oblique lotus]

I like being able to kill things from the front

having to get angles burns a lot of time or requires fighting at very short range

but basically the idea is that you're putting so many AT blasts downrange that it keeps up with the sheer number of striders

This one's pretty high ngl

[knotty folio]

That's pretty much why I like tanks so much, you can deal with them from the front but they're more dangerous to you and it takes AT, or from the side where you're safe but it still burns AT, or the back where you're safe and can use small arms, and it's an interesting tradeoff because of the time spent maneuvering

[oblique lotus]

fair, I meant more that when things are this high intensity not needing to manuever is very valuable

and part of why I like fighting striders over tanks is that striders take half as many rockets to kill from the front

[knotty folio]

OIC

[oblique lotus]

same thing with solo silo and leveller vs vox engines. I could spend a bunch of time moving around it and doing the vent minigame only for all that work to go down the drain with the next vox engine spawn or I could hit it with a solo silo to the groin and a followup EAT

[knotty folio]

I find them pretty equivalent, because EATs clean up striders nicely, but tanks are easier to casually thermite while passing by

Tanks just lead to more interesting decisions in-game IMO, but that's not really an issue - there has to be some enemy that I find most interesting

Just makes me a bit sad when I get five missions in a row that's all striders no tanks

[knotty folio]

I always love bringing EATs plus an Eagle stratagem and getting more stratagems used than the rest of my team combined

[glacial light]

Aren't most tanks just one shot to the turret

[oblique lotus]

twp

two

[glacial light]

I generally use commando so it's 2 to the turret from the front

[glacial light]

Gatling/gas & strafe

It's not a mission if I use less than 50 stratagems

And less than 30 Stims

[knotty folio]

2x Commando is 2200, 1x EAT is 2000. Tanks have 2100 turret HP

[glacial light]

Huh interesting I'd assume they'd be one shot with eats

Another reason I will stay with my beloved commando

[knotty folio]

Usually if you hit the side of the turret the explosion splashes to the vent and kills it

But the front is too far

[glacial light]

I am a person who does move a lot, I have been top movement in like the last dozen missions and the one I wasn't was cause it was an evacuate and I was on an encampment

[knotty folio]

I just cover the whole map in EATs so I can pick them up on the go

[glacial light]

Enemies don't handle you moving around as well as if you stay in one area

[knotty folio]

Plus it helps my friends when no matter where they go there's a random EAT pod waiting there

[glacial light]

Even on cyberstan moving a lot is quite useful

[knotty folio]

Especially on Cyberstan*

[unreal merlin]

Shout out to Orbital Smoke + Smoke Grenades

[oblique lotus]

I mean I'm not playing static either but I find the oops all disposable playstyle to be quite forgiving of mobile play

[knotty folio]

I still need to get in the habit of using smokes

[glacial light]

I don't understand how people don't move a ton on bots, that's like playing ragdoll simulator

[oblique lotus]

you rarely get caught outright without something since you're constantly juggling cooldowns anyway

solo silo's a bit slow and clunky so I dropped it for the hellpack

the loss of AT firepower is palpable but I can live without it when I'm not against voxes and the hellpack makes objectives a lot smoother

I am getting worryingly fast with callins tbph

[glacial light]

I am just too speed pilled to not bring a backpack that helps me move

[oblique lotus]

I will say that running a bunch of huge AoEs makes flag holding relatively challenging

[knotty folio]

Reinforce, Resupply, and EAT callins are done in the blink of an eye at this point

[oblique lotus]

mostly in an "I need to be really on point with my AoE estimation" sense

[knotty folio]

Also my goodness does binding stratagem inputs to keys other than W and S help so much with keeping mobile against bots

[oblique lotus]

is that a thing?

I just stop, hammer it out, then keep running

[knotty folio]

Being able to sprint around while calling in EATs is such a huge improvement

[unreal merlin]

I long ago rebound those to the arrowkeys so I do stratagems with right hand

[knotty folio]

I know a lot of people do that, personally I hate having to move my hand off my mouse

For me I have it Q/E for up/down

Still A/D for left/right, just being able to call in while running forward or backwards is usually enough

[glacial light]

My random hot take, strafe should be right right right instead of airburst

[knotty folio]

This does have the downside of if I try to call a stratagem in while in a vehicle I get out because E is dismount as well

[knotty folio]

Don't all the Eagles start with up?

[glacial light]

I binded mines to arrow keys so I can move and call it in

[glacial light]

Yes

I didn't notice that

[knotty folio]

It takes some getting used to but IMO it's definitely worth finding a binding that works for you without keeping you immobile

[glacial light]

I have a fancy mouse to I can call in stratagems on it with ny right hand

[knotty folio]

Oh that's nifty

[oblique lotus]

how do you hold that?

oh

[glacial light]

Calling in stratagems with your right hand without taking it off the mouse is so smooth

[odd arch]

very carefully

[knotty folio]

There's a chart somewhere with all the stratagem codes as a tree, it's not entirely consistent but there's definitely categorization by direction

[glacial light]

Is there one that's just up up up

[oblique lotus]

these look pretty cool even if they're fairly expensive

ngl I am mildly turned off by the fact that it's visibly 3d printed

[glacial light]

3d printed is part of it, so you can replace parts on your own if you have a 3d printer

Or print mods

[ivory swallow]

must be purple

[glacial light]

Also Azeron does quite a bit of micro adjustments for better or worse, knowing exactly what version you have is important cause they make little adjustments for ergonomics and the mouse is adjustable

[golden ledge]

Back when I played a lot of HD1, my friends and I used to use Voice Attack for stratagems

[glacial light]

Real anime energy

[golden ledge]

I don't remember my other friend's prefixes for their call outs, but mine was Nerves Concord from Armored Core 2

[glacial light]

https://youtu.be/DFmDKmFN-gs?si=rNAg1WxuHjFvuVnd

My being on open comms and lying about the stratagems I'm calling out

No one expects the mech call-in but it's actually a 380 barrage

[knotty folio]

Oh that's really fun

[glacial light]

Better if you nickname the stratagem

[unreal merlin]

Twist: the nickname is the verbal arrow directions

"Reinforce me!"
"UP DOWN LEFT RIGHT UP"

[glacial light]

But say it as a one line

Updoftriup

[strange vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747203432712110081/1472322568785625240/tVEYtVZBiqVK5x1J.mov?ex=699226be&is=6990d53e&hm=0a443ff4330bc94b2a4f4e107ace5454250afebcc40e144c0888b4ff88d0543a&

[knotty folio]

Three points, nothing but net

[split parcel]

Doing Naruto jutsu hand signs in the direction of each of my stratagem inputs

[cobalt patrol]

Definitely signs a mission went perfectly fine

[cobalt patrol]

I'm fine, everything's fine, i've seen no horrors

[tame parcel]

We know they'll just clip through the wall anyway.

[glacial light]

Pro strat: cover your weak spot by clipping it through walls

[delicate aspen]

anyone possibly up for cyberstan fuckery?

[tame parcel]

Friend was playing it earlier but is now doing an easier planet to do a mission.

[delicate aspen]

ive mostly been doing just 10 'stans, because clearly i hate myself

we're making good progress too

[tame parcel]

I don't think he even has difficulty 10 unlocked.

[delicate aspen]

i think tomorrow we'll have it

[tame parcel]

Same.

[delicate aspen]

we lost the ammo debuff too so its more managable

[keen zinc]

squandilios

[rotund marten]

nearly halfway to max in raw XP terms

what's the HD2 equivalent of "92 is half of 99"

[keen zinc]

https://youtu.be/VbKIH4E8hac?si=JiDpEy0vCPcYW5-Y&t=66

[cobalt patrol]

Gods, there being 4 war striders and 3 vox stirders int eh same baqtle is just unfun ragdoll bullshit

[keen zinc]

Land, kill 2 war striders with ultimatums while EAT comes down, kill 2 more with EATs, ragdolled by the next 3 firing their grenade volleys while the drop ship brings 6 more

[stone bridge]

rock steady sweep

[cobalt patrol]

That is.. not helpful, briar.

[stone bridge]

im just memeing

[keen zinc]

It's provocative

[stone bridge]

it is shitty yeah

the war striders, that is

i don't know why fusion cyclers ragdoll you

really frustrating

[cobalt patrol]

It's the fact they ragodll you on any near miss

and a direct hit is often just you die

meanign they're a huge threat

and i would not mind them being a huge threat if they were Hulk easy to kill.

[stone bridge]

yeah

[keen zinc]

I honestly would prefer them to have rocket organs rather than grenade volleys and not have ragdolling at all on their cannons

[cobalt patrol]

But they're not hulk easy to kill, they're tank hard to kill

But they spawn in numbers like they're hulks.

Despite having a threat rating that makes even Tanks look pretty puny

[keen zinc]

At least you can damage tanks with med pen, which means heavy pen weapons do full damage

[cobalt patrol]

Like i dont mind hulks being able to fuck your shit up, because Hulks mostly have to get close to one shot you, have a very obvious frontal weakspot that most heavy weapons can exploit, and have a back weakspot pretty much every weapon with a high rof can fight

and you can dip and dive from hulks quite well

[keen zinc]

Tanks are at least not too hard to break from their firing cones and maneuver on

[glacial light]

Basically launch era rocket devs that'd either one shot you or ragdoll you if it hits within 6 feet, minus the one shot

[keen zinc]

Striders have a huge field of fire over the battlefield

[verbal summit]

I like what they do i just think they're too heavily armored

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, that's the otehr thing, just the grenade spam when it's not fusion repater spam

if they were fmore fragile, they'd be al otm ore understanble

but evne the epoch can't take them out in one shot unless you hit hte eye perfectly.

which is... goddamn silly

[verbal summit]

Yea

[keen zinc]

Pixel eyeball hitbox

[glacial light]

Either less numerous or less tanky would do a lot for war striders

[cobalt patrol]

ffs, the rr can't take them out in one shot unless you hit the fucking legs or eye.

[verbal summit]

I do not understand why they haven't adjusted war striders yet

[keen zinc]

Genuinely just make their weak spots medium pen like tanks

Make them match the rest of their faction

[spare verge]

maybe they could be more specialized like the tanks and have the big fusion repeaters or the grenade launchers, but not both

[cobalt patrol]

As much as i dislike bagging on the developers a lot, I think Arrowhead has some very different/stubborn ideas of "Fun" and "Diffuclty" to a lot of hte playerbase

[keen zinc]

I love the devs and their product

I love to consume their product I have been on Cyberstan every day

And I love Vox Engines

[glacial light]

I like the product currently mostly, there were times I just dropped the game

[keen zinc]

But war striders were made by Satan

[verbal summit]

Ever since war striders ive just been enjoying bots less and less and I think a majority of players has.

To the point I'd have thought they'd adjust something.

[keen zinc]

They're just manageable enough to be able to get through missions with them but

[glacial light]

Realism /s
cue surviving a nuke point blank cause democracy protects and direct hit from a cannon because stimmed up

[keen zinc]

They definitely lower the fun

[cobalt patrol]

Vox Engines i'd like a bit more if there were a bit less of them

[keen zinc]

True

But they themselves are designed very well when not having torso twist bugs

They're VERY fun and interesting

And the Radicals are just like

[verbal summit]

I haven't played enough cyborg to say anything reallt but from what I can tell I like the vox engines

[keen zinc]

The coolest fucking dudes ever

[verbal summit]

Yeah

[glacial light]

Cyborgs they got pretty much right

[keen zinc]

Agitators are my fucking enemy and I hate them I will kill them with my hands always shooting me and flinching me and giving me internal bleeding

[cobalt patrol]

Cyborgs are very fun overall, and if it wasnt for Vox engines having huge visual lock on ranges

and spawning in way too great numbers

[glacial light]

Helldivers dont even get aura farming when they die, we're not the main characters

[cobalt patrol]

i would enjoy them

[keen zinc]

Constantly blowing myself up because a flinch from an agitator shot

[glacial light]

Clipping also sucks on engines

[verbal summit]

Some small issues id say but great new content

[keen zinc]

Yeah Voxs seem to sometimes have that thing that Hulks do

Where their torso unlocks and gets all twisty

Which is probably not intentional

[verbal summit]

But war striders....

[glacial light]

I saw city map and was like, im not doing that. Theyre gonna clip their vents through a building I cant destroy

[cobalt patrol]

A lot of the issues i'm having iwth cyberstand are mostly to do with warstriders (Walking around a corner and finding 4 of the fuckers is just what do i even do?)

and the ball bounce issues

it is acutally, overall, fun

[keen zinc]

But yeah, me, THammer, Misc, and Nalesh have been doing Cyberstan D10s for days now and

It's been really fun

Lots of nukes and solo silos for voxes

But otherwise we enjoy our hectic city fighting

[verbal summit]

Sorta still been figuring out what weapons I want to use for them

[cobalt patrol]

I've been running a lot of D10s too, msotly with pubs

[verbal summit]

But ive only played a handful of missions

[keen zinc]

Yeah basically everyone in the party brings solo silos and or levellers plus port hellbombs for blob clears and objective pushes

[cobalt patrol]

whcih has given me a lot of oh my god why are you fucks on d10s.

[keen zinc]

Yeah nah

[graceful bluff]

there's a mod to make the really good hidden king track from deadlock the descent music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvGSJiMap-k

But ever since I heard this shitpost I want this version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwAg0klZlAA

[keen zinc]

The key is always someone with a solo silo in the back pocket watching for Vox pings

[glacial light]

D10s harder than D9s cause you probably wont have level 20 helldivers that has nothing unlocked

[keen zinc]

2 people with silos, optionally also with levellers, can handle the general income of Vox Engines per net cool down

[cobalt patrol]

Normally d10s are happy gaming, becuase everyone knows what they're doing

and you get mostly 150s

the spike of players just has a pack of absoloute dunnerskulls

[keen zinc]

Yeah normally

[glacial light]

I have no idea why low level players are doing D10s recently

[cobalt patrol]

One of the few times i've kicked my entire party.

[keen zinc]

I've also had this experience

[cobalt patrol]

Whcih tbf, i was having a bad night, but also, oh my fucking gods and fishes.

[keen zinc]

Going into D10s and seeing level 30s with 10 deaths

Please my little dudes my little guys please go down to D7 or D4 and just complete ops for the order

I've done some D4s and believe me there are goobers down there who are running out of lives with 0 main objs done who would love to have people join to help them

I did it today

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah. i'm not even unsymapthetic to things goign to hell

i have dorpped in with stealth loadouts and becuase i'm the host gotten royally fucked over

10 deaths and everything on teh amp gunning for me

It happens! You have shittym isisons sometimes

but when you're not even level 50, you almsot certainyl dont have most of your modules unlocked

what are you doing my guy?

[keen zinc]

Landed in a SOS D4 with no lives and just went and did all the objectives and got the kiddos back to the bus stop for the ride home

Sometimes you gotta be John Helldiver for some cadets

It's a good change of pace

[keen zinc]

Doesn't help when the steering lock wont let you actually land outside of combat

[cobalt patrol]

or the teamamtes who keep dropping me back int oteh shit

or insitning on fightin g bot drops

or drop 380s on my head etc

[knotty folio]

(Crotch also is a one-shot for both RR and EATs, it's the easiest target IMO)

[cobalt patrol]

(I think i knew that, but it's still dumb you know? They should not be tankier than fucking tanks)

[graceful bluff]

Considering they're in the same spawnpool as tanks they should be balanced about equally to tanks yeah

[keen zinc]

They just sorta have an identity crisis

[knotty folio]

Partly that's a matter of weapon - it's easier to kill a Strider than a Tank from the front with EATs

Since tanks have no 1shot point from EATs in front, but striders do

[spare verge]

sometimes I suspect they exclusively playtest with 4 players

[keen zinc]

They don't have the direct firepower of the annihilator tank but have much better firing cones, as a tank is lower to the ground with much slower traverse, much easier to take cover from, dodge, and attack with maneuver

Striders are taller and have much better gun traverse, and their grenade volleys are both effective as an attack and area denial

With bonus stunning potential from chains of ragdoll

[graceful bluff]

I just want a weakpoint in the back so you don't have to stand in front of one of the deadliest things outside of a shredder tank or factory strider

[knotty folio]

Which I actually kind of like, it adds nice flavour to the weapon pool - I just wish we knew enemy constellations before dropping in

[keen zinc]

I mean, nothing exists purely on paper or in applied numbers

Battlefield conditions VASTLY magnify the Striders strengths over the tank

Much outweighing it's more vulnerable target zone for shoulder rocketry

[knotty folio]

Barrager Tanks AI being super unreliable doesn't help either

[keen zinc]

The solution is clearly to give annihilator tanks a pintle machine gun on top for a trooper to use for 360 security

[knotty folio]

Though one did gank me tonight

[keen zinc]

They seem to have vastly improved them

[graceful bluff]

I legitimately don't think I've ever seen a barrager tank fire

[keen zinc]

I've been seeing them more lately and they've actually fired

[strange vine]

Theyre harder than tanks because war striders both have more health and no AV3 weakspot

[keen zinc]

It's just we're all being a lot more Missile Aware because of Voxes

[knotty folio]

Tonight was the first time I saw one actually bombard us

[strange vine]

Fucking give tanks AV6 armor again

They need a buff

[keen zinc]

Yeah I think they got fixed

[keen zinc]

Nah give them a single mini gun turret on top like the Voxes have

Would make them much more threatening due to compensating for their traverse weakness

[strange vine]

No tanks need to be tanky

[knotty folio]

I'm not sure if they bombard over cover, hard to test when you've got Voxen bombarding too, but I really hope so

[strange vine]

Theyre significantly less lethal than war striders and spawn much less

So they need to be tougher to kill

[knotty folio]

This would be a lot of fun if you could snipe the trooper

[strange vine]

Because right now theyre jokes

Especially to RR, which can one shot them anywhere

Compared to the war strider where it has to aim for the bottom half for the one shot

[keen zinc]

Idk if you made them not die to the ultimatum I think I'd blow myself up

[graceful bluff]

I just find it wild that war striders are literally the only automaton unit above devs that doesn't have a vent weakspot

[strange vine]

Tanks are easy to flank and slow

[strange vine]

They do now, but its fucking AV4 not AV3 like tanks

[keen zinc]

Honestly giving them better front armor would be fine

Just keep their rear as is

[strange vine]

Tanks used to have AV6 frontal armor on the 60 day patch which meant it took RR 2 shots from the front but 1 from the sides, but for some fucking reason AH nerfed it down to AV5

[keen zinc]

Up their front to AV6, give them a little command hatch pintle gun trooper

[knotty folio]

The main problem with AV6 is the AT sentries are AP5 and it would feel pretty shitty watching your Autocannon Sentry waste its entire ammo supply bouncing off a tank

[graceful bluff]

Yeah so just eruptor and senator right? I guess crisper too but no one got ammo for that

[keen zinc]

And if you kill the trooper and throw a grenade in the hole they die

[strange vine]

QC and EAT would still have 2 shot breakpoints

[knotty folio]

You get the same thing with MG Sentries against armor but that has half the CD

[strange vine]

Ill be honest, i think thats fine with how the rest of the enemy forces are easily killed by the AC turret

[keen zinc]

Annihilator tanks with better front armor but a command hatch trooper on a machine gun would be a good change

[strange vine]

Especially with how easy to kill tanks are otherwise

[keen zinc]

Let me have the experience of climbing a tank and throwing a grenade down the command hatch

[knotty folio]

Eh, IMO the turrets are in a very healthy place right now. Frankly I suspect the RR just needs a nerf

(And tanks need a pintle)

[keen zinc]

Honestly what if they made the tanks vent weakspot work like the Vox? Destroy it and it opens a hatch for a grenade

But lowered to light pen

[strange vine]

Like idk about you but tanks should be fucking tougher to kill than the enemy that spawns in greater numbers

Tanks can appear in patrols but only as single entities

War striders meanwhile can replace hulks

Even in static spawns

[keen zinc]

War Striders doubling up on constellation spots like greedy fish

[strange vine]

They need to give war striders av3 on their rear vent instead of av4

[knotty folio]

Giving tanks a separate front armor plate on the body and turret and bumping turret HP down to 2k would be fine too

[keen zinc]

This is genuinely something that should be just done as immediately as possible

Hot fix it in

[knotty folio]

So RR takes two shots but EAT can also still 2hko from the front

Maybe leave a small gap so a precise RR shot can still sneak in

[keen zinc]

Just so if your teammate is being tortured by infinite grenade concussion hell you can at least contribute by shooting their ass with a dominator or something

Also might make the pineapple interesting

[strange vine]

Thats literally what they had on the 60 day patch, the 2100 HP with AV6 Is just barely enough to make RR have a 2 shot breakpoint while EAT and QC still had 2 shot breakpoints

[knotty folio]

Btw, anyone know if the cyborg's smoke grenades provide smoke cover from the other bots?

[strange vine]

But again, for some fucking reason they nerfed it on the next patch

[keen zinc]

Nah they're thinner

It's just to mess with you, I don't even think it effects sentries

And tbh it works

Helldivers are no match for kung fu

[knotty folio]

AP6 hits a ton of random other stuff that doesn't need a nerf. If the RR is the problem, fix the RR, don't randomly bonk the Epoch and the Railgun and the AC Sentry and the Rocket Sentry and...

[keen zinc]

Need a mod to replace Radical voice lines with Ugandan commando audio clips

COMMANDO

Everybody in Uganda knows kung fu

[strange vine]

Actually, yes, ill bonk them because they are part of what make tanks a fucking joke

I say this even as an epoch lover

[steady flame]

Being potentially pedantic but I feel it's important:
No smoke provides cover. Cover is something that stops bullets.
Smoke provides concealment. Concealment is something that stops line of sight.

Concealment isn't cover.

[strange vine]

Tanks are entirely designed to force you to flank them

Theyre slow

Turn slowly

And have weaker armor on the sides and weakspots on the rear

Theyre supposed to reward you flanking them

[knotty folio]

It would be really interesting if smoke weakened beam weapons, since it should actually provide cover there

[keen zinc]

And if a sentry wasting all its ammo plinking a tanks front armor is too bad

[strange vine]

Basically every weapon being effective against tanks from the front with their heaviest armor is also bad

[knotty folio]

IDK, personally I'm just generally not a fan of any suggestion that is "hey, let's make the RR even more universally-correct"

[keen zinc]

Then idk, maybe they could make the AV6 as a sort of additional armor plate that can be ablated by enough AV5 fire?

We can do that now

[knotty folio]

Which is what "tanks are immune to 90% of AP weapons but not RR" does

[keen zinc]

So Sentries could in theory grind through it

[strange vine]

It wouldnt, because the breakpoint only hits RR and forces the user to either flank for the one shot or spend 2 of their 5 shells, and the other AT weapons that are QC, EAT, etc still retain their 2 shot breakpoint

[knotty folio]

That's what my suggestion was before, just add a second AV5 plate to the front, with no damage transfer

[keen zinc]

From The Depths my beloved

Smoke countermeasures against lasers

[knotty folio]

It gives +1 shot to RR, leaves the EAT unchanged, and makes all AP5 weapons entirely ineffective. This does not reduce RR dominance.

(Making EATs better in comparison is nice)

[keen zinc]

Giving them an additional ablative armor plate on the front could be a good compromise

[strange vine]

RR spending twice as many shots to kill from the front does mean the Spear is much better

[keen zinc]

It's a good system

[cobalt patrol]

I honestly think given the level of bullshit that getsthrwon at you on d10s, the RR being able to point and click delete a bunch of stuff is not actually that unhealthy

[strange vine]

This fucks over the Spear even harder

[knotty folio]

That's a good point, NGL I often forget the Spear exists

[keen zinc]

Make the spear do top attack

True damage

Wrath of God

[cobalt patrol]

That said, i'd rather see stuff like the Epoch, Spear etc, Speargun, etc get a bit more love

also OPS needs a 60s cooldown

[strange vine]

Theres no such thing as top attack or lesser armor from tbe top

[cobalt patrol]

and it's awerid as ehll it's still a base 90? 2 min? cooldown or whatever

[keen zinc]

Can simulate it by pumping the Spears damage and giving it a duplex charge

[strange vine]

Speargun is already like a top tier support weapon and epoch is in a decent place. Spear needs more damage and more stuff where its AP7 is worth something

[cobalt patrol]

I think Amko is suggestion that Spear shoudl ahve some tech to simualte it doing something like that

[keen zinc]

Yeah

[strange vine]

This just breaks the spear targeting again

Lets not

[keen zinc]

Lmao

I mean the solo silo works

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, you could literally introduce a damage type that does "True damage" and isn't resisted, ignores amror etc

and mjust make the Spear true damage

[strange vine]

Ew no

[glacial light]

This missile does not know where it is

[keen zinc]

Spear of God

BRING ME MY CHARIOT OF FIRE

[verbal summit]

Why not just buff the spear in that case

[graceful bluff]

The missile is very confused, the missile went into this room but doesn't remember why

[verbal summit]

No need for a new damage type

[keen zinc]

The missile is eepy

[strange vine]

Dont introduce more complexity into the hd2 damage calculations

[keen zinc]

It is 2 AM

[knotty folio]

I think it's a bit unhealthy that it makes so many other support weapons mediocre in comparison, but I also suspect a lot of that is the fact you don't get to see enemy constellations before dropping in - if we did, you wouldn't have to take RR every time just in case

[keen zinc]

The missile would like to have just a small sleeb

Okay but what about Spear duplex charge

[verbal summit]

The missile forgot what she was about to say even though she had it in her mind 3 seconds ago

[cobalt patrol]

I do not think "This jsut always does it's listed damage" is making things more complciated, but w/e

[strange vine]

Tbh you dont even need the RR as much now because C4 is just as powerful

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, that's part of that.

I am, admtiedlly, an RR lover and enjoy cross mapping things with trick shots

[verbal summit]

I haven't used RR in uh

[strange vine]

Thats because hd2's damage model is not compatible with the whole "true damage" schtick because thats not how any of the damage models work

[verbal summit]

Close to a year probably.

I kind of refuse to

[keen zinc]

Me with the GL

[knotty folio]

Functionally speaking this is what the Spear's AP7 already is

[keen zinc]

But only because it's an ugly green

And for no other reason

[verbal summit]

The rr is just so basic and simple and it's amazing yes but it's just not special to me so I dont use it.

[strange vine]

If your AP beats the targets AP you deal full damage
If you equal AP your damage is reduced to 65%
If you have less AP you dont deal damage at all

[verbal summit]

Even though I'd probably love to use it again if I pulled it out sometime.

[strange vine]

Theres nowhere true damage applies at all

[knotty folio]

Nothing has armor 7, the only thing that has more than that is the Illuminate Overship (which is supposed to be immune to handheld weapons) and one part of the Hive Lord for some reason?

[cobalt patrol]

There's also angles of attacks etc which do matter

[strange vine]

And yeah what lark said, thats what the AP7 is supposed to do

[cobalt patrol]

and alter if the ap kciks in or gets reudced

[strange vine]

They dont matter anymore because AH flattened basically every AP value in the game

[keen zinc]

Revamp the game entirely to make all armor ablative and so instead of doing no damage you can deal chip damage to peel off armor and make it take more damage from higher pen or eventually become vulnerable to lower pen

[verbal summit]

I mean i get what you're saying zombie but if we're only talking about the spear here you can just as easily buff the spear

[knotty folio]

Specifically some projectiles have lower AP at some angles, but not the Spear

[keen zinc]

Yes I have been playing MENACE

[knotty folio]

It depends on the projectile

[keen zinc]

which has Armor Damage and Armor Pen as different stats entirely

[cobalt patrol]

They do, i see deflects happen all teh damn time.

[strange vine]

RR does 6/6/6/3 AP which means unless you hit at an extreme angle you have the same pen at 0 degrees as wirh 45 degrees

[knotty folio]

Ah, I was assuming you'd been playing Nebulous

[cobalt patrol]

You can literally make rr rockets go liek skimming stones if you drop them at the wrong angle on shots

[steady flame]

Honestly, what I think the Spear needs, and I could be wrong, is it needs an additional missile.

[keen zinc]

It's a valid strat to just dump firepower on a target to peel it's armor off and let lower pen weapons kill it

[steady flame]

Because like, the issue the Spear ends up having is just, how many targets?

[knotty folio]

I think they should give the Spear a bayonet

On the launcher

[verbal summit]

Yes

[strange vine]

More ammo or more damage. Right now the RR has greater total damage per full load than the Spear, which is sad

[verbal summit]

Also yes there's just never really any reason to bring the spear

[keen zinc]

Another 3 missiles for the Spear

[strange vine]

19200 damage vs 16000

[keen zinc]

120 billion to Spearisrael

[strange vine]

I basically only take it to one shot command bunks for fun

[verbal summit]

Tru

[knotty folio]

How is the Spear vs Leviathans?

[strange vine]

I want it to be better

[verbal summit]

For that purpose I bring the solo silo cus solo silo has so much aura

But lately I've been playing with the hammer

[keen zinc]

I want the spear to be good because I carried a javelin for a spell in the army

And I think it's neat

[strange vine]

Yeah but theoretically i can complete a d10 command bunker mission with a single spear load :P

[knotty folio]

I choose to believe you are using the hammer against Leviathans

[verbal summit]

I would

I absolutely would

[steady flame]

I didn't carry a Javelin because I've never been in the military, but, I do want the Spear to be on par with the Javelin in bullshit potential.

[glacial light]

Javelin is pretty sick

Its kind of why I carry commando as discount javelin

[keen zinc]

Hammer was real fun until we got to Cyberstan

[keen zinc]

Anti everything

[verbal summit]

Before the hammer and before the chainsaw id play melee with the flag

And the stun lance

With the ballistic shield

And my objective at any point was

[steady flame]

..Oh yeah, Javelins can lock on to people, can't they?

[strange vine]

Spear should have enough damage to one shot bile titans in the body is my extreme opinion :P

[keen zinc]

You want it gone, behold the man portable shoulder fired everything remover

[verbal summit]

To find the biggest enemy I could, climb on top of it and stick a flag in it

[steady flame]

..What do you mean they don't?

skaianDestiny ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Spear should have enough damage to one shot bile titans is my extreme opinion :P

[knotty folio]

I was so incredibly disappointed when I ran under a Vox Engine, hit it seven times in the bottom with the hammer, and didn't kill it

[keen zinc]

Anything with a good enough heat signature

[strange vine]

They do, only head shots though

[keen zinc]

You can even just shoot at a spot enough with rifles and machine guns until it heats up enough to lock on and fire at

[glacial light]

You have to aim the spear sort of

[keen zinc]

They did that for sniper nests

[strange vine]

You have to use a hover pack to get on their head

[verbal summit]

Ive stuck chargers and those tentacles guys i forgot their name with the flag

[steady flame]

I mean, okay, if I was being weird, I'd say enough to 1sh a Bile Titan, and 2sh a Fac Strider or Vox Engine. If I'm feeling insane.

[keen zinc]

I did that today

[verbal summit]

I've even tried to get on top of a harvester

With merely my ballistic shield, flag and stun lance

[keen zinc]

Misc and Nalesh were present to hear my lament as it didn't work

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1r2e4ad/2_shotting_a_vox_engine_with_hammer/

[verbal summit]

I became the propaganda material

[keen zinc]

I tried this

It didn't work

[verbal summit]

Now i llooooove the hammer

[keen zinc]

Media lied to me

[verbal summit]

Because a charger will come straight at me

[keen zinc]

My heart broke much like my body as I died

[graceful bluff]

apparently the sacrophagus is just incredibly buggy on whether it takes damage or not

[verbal summit]

And I will just smack it

[keen zinc]

They all got to hear me cry

[verbal summit]

And send it flying

[oblique lotus]

rock solid/peak physique don't boost the warhead damage, right?

[keen zinc]

As my attempts to be funny were for nothing

[oblique lotus]

just the hammer part?

[keen zinc]

I couldn't even put an AT emplacement on the vox

My entire build was for nothin

[verbal summit]

I'd assume so

Lmao

[oblique lotus]

I gave a vox a shield once by accident

I did hit it with the shield relay pod it just uh

[verbal summit]

Put an AT emplacement on a factory striders turret and ride it across the map

[keen zinc]

I hit the ground a crumpled corpse saying "I have been misled by online media" right in front of Nalesh iirc

[oblique lotus]

the leveller feels really good to instinctively aim

the ultimatum is too slow and too short ranged but the leveller just clicks

[verbal summit]

I dont have access to my old clips rn unfortunately but I have some cool ones of riding on chargers and other cool stuff

[oblique lotus]

feels like I'm throwing strat balls

[keen zinc]

Ultimatum is my pocket PIAT

insurance against dying immediately after a drop without even killing something valuable

[knotty folio]

The first time I brought the hammer I tried this but I didn't realize it swung so far to the right and I was standing next to my friend

The charger was probably very confused when it only ran over one Helldiver

[verbal summit]

SAME

Amount of times ive killed friends when I only wanted to ragdoll them

[oblique lotus]

I want the shock dog so bad

[keen zinc]

The hammer was so good for me until Cyberstan

[oblique lotus]

why is it 300 medals deep in a warbond I otherwise don't care about

[keen zinc]

As my trademarked combat style is NO FEAR HERE

but Cyberstan does not respect a brave boy

[knotty folio]

I really need to get around to unlocking the warp pack, I want to do more hammering and also I think you can warp through Cyberstan's factory walls?

[keen zinc]

Is it good?

I'm getting close to it

[verbal summit]

I love shock dog

I love arc

I LOVE ARC!!!!!

[keen zinc]

I've been slowly picking away at the warbonds I never got into

[knotty folio]

It's such a shame that we're on the heavy armor surge factory instead of the hulk surge one, it's so fun bonking hulks with it

[oblique lotus]

oh! I get it now! It's a gun!

[verbal summit]

No offense but I am aware of my arc weaponry

[glacial light]

Shock dog is stupid strong but also stupid deadly

[verbal summit]

It's the everyone else that's not aware of positioning

[oblique lotus]

it's literally gun shaped

[knotty folio]

Oh lmao

[glacial light]

Its basically an autonomous arc thrower it hits like a truck

[keen zinc]

I know that part

[knotty folio]

Pointed straight down at what you're "liberating"

[verbal summit]

As an arc user I have to be aware of where my teammates are relative to me and the enemies at all times

[keen zinc]

Every arc weapon loves killing me

I've been killed by the dogs before

[verbal summit]

BUT everyone else doesn't have tod o this and then proceeds to blame me

[glacial light]

Arc dog is extra deadly

[verbal summit]

When THEY move in between me and the enemy

[oblique lotus]

I am aware fo where my teammates are but I don't let it stop me from firing

[verbal summit]

I can control my own arc but I can hardly control that dawg in me

[keen zinc]

I don't blame you

[glacial light]

Makes other dogs seem safe

[knotty folio]

It seems like Arc Thrower almost never targets friendlies on the first bounce? A friend was trying it out and between the thrower and the enemies is almost comlpetely safe

[verbal summit]

Anyway one match with a friend n 2 randoms 1 of the randoms died to arc a bunch

And said

[keen zinc]

It's not your fault, you see I am simply an enemy to lightning

[verbal summit]

"If you arc me again I swear..."

[keen zinc]

Lightning knows this and it hates me

[knotty folio]

It did jump to me once but I'm wondering if it actually arced off of my dog onto me

[keen zinc]

And thus will target me

[verbal summit]

So I responded "are you sure you wanna say that to the arc person"

[glacial light]

If theres a lot of enemies which happens quite a bit it comes up enough

[keen zinc]

Lightning and I are ancient enemies

[glacial light]

Also the range on it is kind of longer than you'd expect

[graceful bluff]

You are an incredibly good conductor

[verbal summit]

Like arc is genuinely so good and actually so easy to handle

[knotty folio]

Oh yeah it can arc for years and around multiple corners

[verbal summit]

But teammates will move in front of me and the enemy

[keen zinc]

It's because of my bronze bones and copper skin

[verbal summit]

Teammates will forget where I am

[knotty folio]

I just hadn't realized that right in front of the thrower is weirdly safe

[glacial light]

I will say all arc resist team being a lightning rod is just stupid good

[verbal summit]

But im the one that has to be aware of where my entire team is at all times

[steady flame]

I'm tempted to make a contentious people joke about lightning here.

Amko The Terrible ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Lightning and I are ancient enemies

[verbal summit]

And it's always my fault smh

[keen zinc]

LIGHTNING KNOWS WHAT IT DID

AND WHAT I DID

AND NEITHER REGRET IT

[glacial light]

I loved using my texammates as a lightning rod especially on bugs, we all had arc resist, arc dog, and arc thrower.

[verbal summit]

I have like 2 incredibly funny arc clips on my old phone

1 of them me and a friend are lying down within arc tower range

So I punch the friend which ragdoll them to the tower

Forces them to get up

And they get arced

[knotty folio]

The main reason Arc Thrower and Tesla Tower get such a bad rap is you really can't keep safe from them, they can kill you out to like 75m with unlucky bounces and cover won't protect you

[keen zinc]

I wish helmets still didn't have the instant full blackening dirtmask bug

So many helmets shelved because of it

Step in mud or oil and helmet turns instantly black

[glacial light]

Technically prone works*
Unless theres another enemy in the range it will jump to you

[oblique lotus]

arc dog allegedly has unlimited bounces and a widened bounce angle

which seems incredibly good and mildly hazardous

[verbal summit]

Another clip is uh a rollercoaster. First I get hit by a 380 or 120 shell but live so im low on health n near bugs, i get set on fire but then ragdolled again so it puts out the fire, im on a sliver of health and thought i was already dead, i realise im alive and run away from nearby bugs and stim myself, not paying attention id accidentally walked into arc tower range and despite being affected by stim the tower ends my suffering.

[oblique lotus]

also man I really can't quit democracy protects

[keen zinc]

My dog has currently jumped onto my bed and laid down against my back

[oblique lotus]

stim armor is good don't get me wrong but I survive some absolute bullshit with Democracy Protects

[keen zinc]

Checkmate arc dog users

[verbal summit]

Idk when I use the arc thrower there's of course a certain cost/benefit analysis i make on riskier shots but if I want to i can 100% not hit friendlies

When I bring the arc dog I warn everyone

[keen zinc]

My dog is better than ur arc dog

[glacial light]

Its pretty good, especially with portable hellbomb

[keen zinc]

Good night chatroom it's almost 3 am

[graceful bluff]

See you in an hour after you get woken up by your dog again :v

[glacial light]

If you ever bum rush a jammer with portable hellbomb thinking you wont make it out alive after you trigger the hellbomb and survive you feel like god. Then die to hitting a rock

[keen zinc]

Da life

[glacial light]

I lucked out with the world's quietest dog and its a chihuahua too

[verbal summit]

I once cluster striked a friend during SC farming and she survived purely off 50% armor

[keen zinc]

Kiki is quiet she just is very cuddly at random intervals

[verbal summit]

And I mean fully striked her

[oblique lotus]

yeah I've soaked cluster, hellbombs etc

[glacial light]

I wish, my dog doesnt like cuddles

[verbal summit]

My dog makes noises but only when she wants something.

[glacial light]

Or hugs

[oblique lotus]

that 25-50% chance is a hell of a thing

[verbal summit]

And she barks at strangers and other dogs when shes on the leash

But she's also blind

So she doesn't notice

[keen zinc]

My dog will try to kill me by half somersaulting into me and putting all of her weight on her upper body onto me

[verbal summit]

But she'll bark to be let out a door or soemthing and it's so funny when she does her "open this door please" bark and she's just standing at the complete opposite location looking at a wall

[glacial light]

I havent heard my dog make a noise in months, and that noise was momentary whimpering cause I took too long getting ready to go to my parents

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/violently-snuggles-kitten-love-me-hooman-gif-5298749

Crush me with her shoulder like

[glacial light]

I know this, my dog doesnt like being on people and jumps off of them

[verbal summit]

She was being loud cus I hadn't walked her yet (I walked her right after this)

[glacial light]

And if hes on your lap to get around you that jump can be very very painful

[verbal summit]

We used to have 2 dogs and the dog we first got was super super well behaved, not really trained at all in anything just the sweetest cuddliest dog and the 2nd dog which is the dog in the video was a bit of a wild beast.

So the wild beast calmed down from being around the calmer dog and the calmer dog got wilder from the wild beast

[glacial light]

My dog is also like that, he has like 0 training and barely knows like 3 tricks but he was just naturally extremely well behaved and ive not had any issues with his behavior

Hes basically a considerate cat

[verbal summit]

Yeah

I usually refer to my dogs as deaf dog and blind dog as with old age one went deaf the other blind or I call them white dog and black dog cus of the colour of their fur but white dog always loved attention. She'd slowly walk up to strangers with her ears down looking up at them and her tail wagging

And then no one would be able to deny her attention

[glacial light]

Also why I like street dogs, they usually fully know they got it great and really try not to upset that balance. Whereas a dog you raise from a puppy is probably going to need a good amount of training or becomes a spoiled brat of a dog

[verbal summit]

Blakc dog is afraid of strangers and barks at them until she gets used to their presence then sniffs them out sneakily from behind.

Except now that shes blind sometimes she "sneaks" up to strangers to sniff them

And by sneak i mean walks up to them thinking she's not noticed but everyone can see

We didn't exactly intend on a 2nd dog. Or rather my father didn't entirely agree with it so the black dog would always suck up to my father.

But now it's like that "dad and the dog" meme

[glacial light]

My mom basically, the dogs are dirty animals and never bring that beast into her house asking me why I came to her house without her favorite son she had food ready for him

[verbal summit]

Anyway yeah helldivers mhm mhm yes uhhmmm dog yes arc dog my dog arc yes

[verbal summit]

Lmao

[glacial light]

Only way they could make a dog dealier is like cluster dog

I will say i would love a stun dog

[verbal summit]

Still need an arc secondary to go full arc

[glacial light]

EMP dog? Works more like gas dog and travels to the enemy then releases EMP burst

[verbal summit]

I suppose there's stun lance...

[unreal merlin]

Big shout out to my homie Orbital Smoke for making massive engagements on Cyberstan remotely possible.

[glacial light]

Out of all the dogs I think gas is my favorite, its extremely safe and I dont think Ive ever friendly fired with it and it has quite the "mag" and spams the stupid gas on enemies like wild

My flying gas nade that goes off every few seconds

[strange vine]

Its amazing at killing team members

[cobalt patrol]

This is why i hate war striders the most. (Thankfulyl a teamamte flanked from anotehr direciton)

[idle hollow]

it would be fine if the eyes were actually weakpoints

and if you could shoot off the cannons

[cobalt patrol]

The eyes are weakpoints.

they're just a ridiclously horribly tiny hitbox

[blissful sparrow]

the funniest defense of the warstrider after experimenting a bit with different weapons recently is their angled torso plates making GL grenades bounce off without detonating.
If they all detonate it falls over in a few rounds, but it can easily chuck an entire volley to the side

so aiming for the guns there is actually the best way, as the geometry makes them more reliable

[cobalt patrol]

Oops All Blue strats is proving quite good. Supply pack, epoch, stelath armor, leveller, solo silo

Censor and ultiamtium

smoke nades

Just a horrible bomb gremlin

[tight zephyr]

I've found the Solo Silo useful for dealing with

T H E H O R S E

if I coordinate with one of my Quasar addict friends.

[dusty spruce]

For my two cents on the War Strider thing, I mostly find them fine, but I find it a little irritating that they are as tanky from behind as from the front. I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen a ‘vent’ kill.
The eyespots are currently the same armor as the main armor, which just doesn’t make sense to me.

I find they mostly shoot over my head, so most of the time they feel less like a threat and as more of an ammo tax unless they’re massed.

[lethal delta]

IIRC, the "killvent" is at the crotch

But it also has the same armour rating

Well, back side of the crotch, so the ass ig

And yeah, they aren't even that dangerous as they are bothersome with the wide area ragdolls from the grenades

Hell, half of the time they don't even do damage, just ragdoll you

[dusty spruce]

Oh that's probably why. I think that vent 'killing' them would only pop up in some niche cases. I'm fairly certain with the Epoch I'd need two shots to kill the vent, which by then the Strider will have turned around, and two shots kills it anyway so...?

I'll get it a test of trying to just hit maybe two uncharged or a charged and a quick uncharged to see if that'll kill the vent (the eye is way too small a target to aim for with the Epoch with its inaccuracy). Otherwise... is the vent just for LMGs and Anti-Material Rifles to have a quicker target to kill?

[lethal delta]

I guess?

Railguns too, ig

[dusty spruce]

Oh yeah, the Railgun. Feels rude to forget it after it was the best thing starting out.

[spare verge]

railgun could maybe use a little something unique to not just ride the line between being better AMR or worse AMR that can blow up in your hands

[dim silo]

It already does, it's just an extremely underwhelming function that people do not know about (the fact it pierces through enemies, the problem's that it's light pen after penetrating)

[sour falcon]

Railgun also suffers from just not being useful enough in situations where you’re getting swarmed

Hard to let it charge and fire to not kill a charger when you need to deal with several of them together

[warped cradle]

Because that's not it's niche

Railgun is premium medium to heavy enemy clearing, somewhat similar to the laser cannon

[dusty spruce]

I feel like that niche really goes to the grenade launcher now.
Though I feel like dedicating a support slot to handling medium enemies is underwhelming since basically every primary handles mediums pretty well

Unless you more mean Hulks/whatnot as Medium

[strange vine]

Not really

Railgun clears mediums significantly faster than primaries

Even eruptor and crossbow

[sour falcon]

GL does both though

[strange vine]

GL got an unneeded buff

Really didn't need AP4

Anyway railgun is still better at longer range work as well

And you can shoot it when an enemy is in your face

[warped cradle]

GL buff was the most random thing ever

It was already plenty strong, I don't get why it needed to be AP4

[strange vine]

Same

If the Belt fed GL has AP4 only it wouldve been fine

Cause it takes up a backpack and has a smaller aoe and damage

[dusty spruce]

Yeah I didn’t understand that buff. It just sorta came out of nowhere. GL was good for hulks and things before, since you could splash damage the vents or Charger butts.
Didn’t even really see people asking for it

[strange vine]

But with the regular GL having it the belt fed GL is kind of hurting for a niche in comparison

Along with the GL now stepping way too much on the AC's toes

I sincerely hope they revert it, its really bad for balance tbqh

[warped cradle]

My guess is there needed to be a separation between the belt fed and Maxigun, so the default answer was an AP difference

[strange vine]

Yeah but there was no reason to apply it to the regular gl

Cause they use a different projectile anyway

[warped cradle]

(tfw they could have just given the belt fed a larger blast radius)

[rotund marten]

A full squad running 2 or 3 of Solo Silo/Leveller/Porta hellbomb is very funny as loadouts go be cause we can't really escalate any more, every helldiver is running purely disposable equipment designed to trade out for an entire platoon

a) you do need all that firepower, even with ultis and thermites and b) if someone dies they just shrug and call in another nuclear weapon, rather than having to get their stuff back

[graceful bluff]

I've also really enjoyed a full expendable loadout after realizing how good smoke pods are

[idle hollow]

are those the smoke bombs from the redacted regiment superstore page

[naive hawk]

i think they mean the smoke hellpod booster

[oblique lotus]

you can blow the guns off

well they don't blow off but they stop firing

[graceful bluff]

yeah the hellpod booster

[blissful sparrow]

i personally gotta say: I can't wait until they nerf the crossbow, so i can use this meme weapon without it being capable of doing everything

[idle hollow]

a

i c

[delicate aspen]

if i load in and it still has a billion active AA and cannon towers... i stg

[steady flame]

TwatHammer ↩️

[(click to see attachment)](#1204832579287519292 message)

Most articulate ork warboss

[delicate aspen]

okay, warstriders can legit get removed from the game, when they spam them its impossible to do the fuckin raise the flag missions, like holy shit its obnixious when theres a billion of the fuckers and its like being at the battle of the somme

[idle hollow]

okay that is actually the most articular warboss

he's speaking in un-broken english

and not always yelling

he sounds like kratos oh my god

[tight zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzSTZlr3Y0E

[azure rock]

I don't like War Striders very much and would rather them be replaced by any other enemy x2

I'll take Burrowing Automatons as long as they're actually designed with weaknesses

I am enjoying getting kicked in the face though and ragdolling into comical situations like a knife trooper around a blind corner or straight up a lava pit

[glacial light]

Wish granted now, they're Incendiary Warstriders and use bigger versions of incendiary shield dev's shotgun

[azure rock]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[verbal summit]

Firing the leveller like a piece of artillery is really funny

It really is just a mortar

[azure rock]

DIY mortar

[glacial light]

Manual mortar

Powered by you jumping forward

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slugcats-gif-2463767038369158224

china WILL grow larger

[glacial light]

Ough that helm

[keen zinc]

ballistic shield as well

[glacial light]

What I would give for an armed strapped buckler that you could do a shove to push enemies away or party melee enemies

[split parcel]

you can already do a bit of a parry with any melee attack iirc

at least on bugs

[dusty spruce]

The War Strider spam is giving me a migraine

Red strobing light in dark areas, Jesus Christ

[graceful bluff]

embrace the epoch life

[dusty spruce]

I legit don’t think I have enough Epoch ammo in my inventory to kill all the war striders, certainly not fast enough to survive the stim tax of them existing

[delicate aspen]

is the epoch the one you can detonate yourself with?

or am i thinking of the railgun

[graceful bluff]

The epoch does it too yes

It also oneshots warstriders in the eyes

[delicate aspen]

the weakspot that isnt a weakspot

given my luck at blowing up in this game, as soon as i touch an epoch id probably explode

[naive hawk]

😌

[graceful bluff]

The power of god and anime on your side

[dusty spruce]

I’ve never hit the strider in the eye with the epoch, I find it too inaccurate

[keen zinc]

@shrewd tiger @vast laurel a thermal shutdown has occured

[graceful bluff]

Have you tried it since they increased the accuracy

[keen zinc]

I gotta go dust out my PC

[shrewd tiger]

oh shit is you comp gonna be ok?

[keen zinc]

Yeah it does this to prevent damage

[shrewd tiger]

ok

good

[delicate aspen]

god we're so close

[delicate aspen]

letsfuckingo

so, good news bad news type deal, good news, we kill it, bad news is the modifiers on the new megafactories

[keen zinc]

i wonder what star kield actually translates to

funny

<@&1206091872716595200> war for more

[dusty spruce]

Hmmm, I wonder if I want more instant random death factory or the one where robots jump forward a little

[normal juniper]

I love Jet Brigade, they're my favorite kind of skeet shooting :]

[rotund marten]

I believe the jet brigade one got the reinforcements that were directed away from Omni to let us take it

so presumably it'd be a bit tougher?

[normal juniper]

Even if they are tougher, I'm still taking them over whatever nightmare code constitutes the Incinerator Corps

[weary granite]

At the rate we are losing divers, we will probably only take down a third megafactory before MO is lost.

[cobalt patrol]

They're so much fun to shoot

[knotty folio]

It's a bit annoying when the Jet Brigade explodes in your face but they're a really fun faction to fight overall

Jet Hulks are a work of art

[keen zinc]

really wish they would fix this bug already

they fixed it once like a year ago then re-introduced it

[glacial light]

The bug I run into consistently is losing my camera when quickscoping with the eruptor and commando

It seems to sometimes send my camera up into orbit when I unscope and I am basically blind for a few seconds until I aim again to correct it

[keen zinc]

its really bad that like

so many helmets from warbonds and super store just are bugged and look like that

shelving them completely

people pay money for super store helmets that exist purely for cosmetics and have a cosmetic bug that ruins them

and AH refuses to fix it

[stone bridge]

They're not refusing to do anything lol

[keen zinc]

figure of speech

i know its on their to-do list

but the X-03 helmet is my favorite helmet and its been like this for so long..

@rotund marten advanced tactical maneuvers

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIkBJruoxG8

[strange vine]

did an op against bugs with friends, definitely felt like a nice change of pace

[glacial light]

Ive been playing bugs a bit again cause of Trident and its nice, much more chill if you like drop a lasting damage source on bug calls

Ive learned to love regular incendiary, they like kill over half a bug call

Also gas strike does good work and super spammable

[keen zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204832579287519292/1471317223175094293/RAAAA.gif

incin corps city is

brutal

[glacial light]

Incendiary corps is just brutal

[keen zinc]

firebomb hulks coating the ground around vox engines with fire

[glacial light]

Even wearing heavy fire resist armor those shotguns shred me

But I prefer that to, burned to death cause you didnt stim in .5 seconds after a pellet grazed you

[oblique lotus]

ok I will say

as someone who has been consistently complaining that the game has been too easy since the 100 days patch, 7-10 are finally as hard as they imo should be

[glacial light]

I think earlier state was harder especially once railgun got nerfed, it was also what I would say is not a fun hard. You just lacked good choice of tools and felt like you couldn't do as much. Current hd2 I prefer more cause of more good and varied options available

Feels more fair if I die, usually

[hallow gorge]

I think the difficulty jump from 7-8 is crazy but I like the difficulty still

[glacial light]

Kind of a "thats on me" when I die rather than frustrating deaths

I think D9 is my sweet spot, not as intense as D10 but not too easy either

[oblique lotus]

yeah sorry I'm not saying RETVRN but this is legitimately challenging while still having options

[glacial light]

I agree, its challenging yet fair mostly

[oblique lotus]

like I have to go really hard into huge AoEs and AT to clear but I have those options

[glacial light]

Incendiary devs I still think is overtuned

[oblique lotus]

vs "fuck you 999 chargers suffer and die"

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> ITS JUST ONE OF THOSE DAYS

[graceful bluff]

Smoke walking barrage sounds so nice

I do hope we get all of these permanently at some point

[keen zinc]

raise flag missions as host be like

i was getting ownzoned so hard but we succeeded

portable hellbomb my beloved

[glacial light]

What I would give for an orbital gas barrage

Heavy armor and just walk into any objective, do it, and leave while enemies are confused

[knotty folio]

Orbital rainbow barrage, drops an even mix of smoke, napalm, gas

[graceful bluff]

a random shit go orbital that fires random projectiles, with a small chance of a hellbomb shell

[blissful sparrow]

replacement for the 120

[cobalt patrol]

holy beeping shit can people *stop trying to fight bot drops *

Killed a vox engine by hitting it with a solo silo, which killed the gunship above it, dropping the gunship's corpse into the now injured solo silo

[wintry moat]

this year's anniversary cape with last year's cape, neat

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1r5jdnf/oc_i_have_been_captured_by_the_bots_and_forced_to/

Okay, thisi s actually a neat piece of art

https://i.redd.it/hq5vo8detojg1.jpeg the cyborg joints being the "eyebrows" is a very clever beat

also free ram is hilarious

[glacial light]

With this market I would defeft for free RAM

[keen zinc]

Stratagem idea: portable Hellbomb barrage. It's a 380 barrage by the shells are replaced with hellpods containing portable hellbombs. Each one still requires manual activation.

[glacial light]

If one activates then the rest should too

Kill everything including framerate

One of my hopiums is a mech with like hellbomb/500kg launcher

[blissful sparrow]

I want the 36 cluster bouncy grenade with 10 second timer grenade launcher from EDF

long enough timer to reload and fire it again and ragdoll all the grenades around with the explosions of the first one

[spare verge]

there was a mech in helldivers 1 with an AT cannon and a flamethrower

[blissful sparrow]

that doesn't kill framerates

[glacial light]

It means theres not enough particles

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/z8mLhMptv7

Mmm

Sdratelgy

[glacial light]

Ok but what if

I see someone throw a 380 then throw everything else there too

[strange vine]

The fact that null cipher armor has a helldivers skull womb tattoo underneath the armor pieces is so funny to me

[dark plover]

If you throw 4 380s on the same spot, you can ensure that every coordinate in the radius gets blasted at least once.

[glacial light]

Ideal
Being shot at from several fronts

[dim silo]

Where the hell did you get that from?

[strange vine]

this is the mod it's from, but the actual version still has the armor plates. That image is from someone on the modding discord messing around with the mod https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/973

[graceful bluff]

Both body types of the null cipher are also caked the hell up for no reason lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zq5PR3Wuzo

[keen zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355736924496855228/1378575335133679626/wolf-injured1.gif

[golden ledge]

I'm sorry where is this from?

[strange vine]

#1204832579287519292 message

[golden ledge]

Well, I guess I'm installing htis

[keen zinc]

girls

[strange vine]

ive been using it for months

feels good tbh

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> war calls

[graceful bluff]

I'll be around in a bit, pizza calling is more important than democracy :v

[keen zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204832579287519292/1471317223175094293/RAAAA.gif

okay so i have once again be lied to by online media

recoilless into the bottom vent does not significantly damage voxes

so many posts on the reddit are just lies

[strange vine]

Yeah the vents are just 100% damage to main? So youre still dealing full RR damage but its not like youre going to be dealing more damage than normal

[steady flame]

It does the whole damage of the rocket, but also I think 700 from the vent being destroyed?

This is how the Variable in Total can kill a Vox Engine in 4-5 vents.

[heady halo]

arent the vents 100% immune to explosive damage?

[keen zinc]

i think so

the reddit made it sound like some sort of tech that does significantly more damage

but i think they just conflated circumstance and made incorrect correlations

as they often do

LIMP BIZKIT VOX ENGINE MOD HAS LYRICS VERSION NOW

YESSSS

[delicate aspen]

Oh dear god, now im even tempted to get it lol

[glacial light]

I got my tax return while using the RR, RR is so good it paid thousands into my bank account .

[keen zinc]

this is like the third time i have brought a loadout spoken highly of on the reddit to cyberstan only to be turned into a crumple up piece of tin foil

i have been lied to by online media once again

also the Urban pattern for the adjudicator turns the barrel shroud matte which looks SO MUCH BETTER than when it is chrome

[idle hollow]

now the vox engine exists

im awaiting the return of the siege mech

inb4 it's just a fucking nod redeemer from C&C3

you can put two squads inside of this thing btw. it's a mech shaped APC

with a giant laser

[keen zinc]

nah nah

bring forth the monkeylord

the power of the experimental spiderbot

[keen zinc]

fucken BOTH of the siege breaker helmets are bugged

so annoying

AH should just disable the oil/mud filth masks until they fix this, because the blood one is fine and is really the only filth masks people care about

[oblique lotus]

my stratagem fingers hurt

[heady halo]

my fav loadout so far is trident, senator, epoch
got be careful with overusing the epoch as its so low ammo but being able to one shot delete hulks is so good and its so much more forgiving than the railgun

[supple siren]

Epoch has been putting in work since the update

Squids and Bots simply hate it

[keen zinc]

i have been much enjoylying my loadout of adjudicator, ultimatum, lure mines, port hellbomb, solo silo, commando, orbital railcannon

[knotty folio]

I hope we get another Hulk Surge city, the Speargun is a ton of fun on Cyberstan in Hulk Surge

[supple siren]

Armor Surge is rough on 8+

It's hard to have enough ammo for the war strider density

[knotty folio]

AT Emplacement remains exceptional

Though you have to be careful using it against Vox Striders since they will annihilate you in the open

[supple siren]

There's just so many directions for fiendish bots to appear from

C4 has felt nice though

[hazy oriole]

are performance issues on cyberstan really bad or are people just leaving my games out of ragequit

[unreal merlin]

I've been having no noticeable issues.

[cobalt patrol]

lots of people are ragequitting

[dusty spruce]

Yeah I'd have to agree with above. Cyberstan has been pretty stable. The game has ran great for me ever since the slim update, in general

[knotty folio]

I've not seen any issues on Cyberstan, my friend running it from a laptop had some lag but no more than other D10 bot planets AFAIK

[delicate aspen]

new dispatch landed

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-sealed-away-gif-16343070612222788368

[delicate aspen]

i SOS into a D10 on cyberstan and uhh, yeah sure

[tame parcel]

If you ever see a ‘Shed’, that’s my friend.

[hazy oriole]

does this translate to lower armor rating on the bots or no

[delicate aspen]

think it just means easier to prog afaik

[hazy oriole]

Checks out

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> if anyone is aroudn and wants to do some proper dives, lememe know. Just speed running diff 4 ops atm