Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[strange vine]

the only thing id change on the epoch now is remove 1 reserve mag but give each mag 1 extra shot for 4 total

[graceful bluff]

Yeah swapping that around would make it feel a lot better

[strange vine]

same amount of total shots but now its less awkward with its breakpoints

cause it has a ton of 2 shot breakpoints but only 3 shots per mag

[graceful bluff]

Usually that third shot just becomes a "fuck that guy in particular" shot :v

But yeah the epoch is definitely a jack of all trades weapon, being both good at chaff clear and heavy clear, though not as good as dedicated options

It's really nice for just bullying vox engines though since the aoe means it stacks up a lot of damage, though I haven't tested how many shots is required usually from the front

I'm guessing 3/4 shots(once again the annoying breakpoint shows itself), if someone chucks an EAT at it it'd probably do really well though

[unreal merlin]

Epoch + Supply Pack + Siege Ready armor is a lot of fun since you can be super liberal with what you attack.

[short rune]

Liberal? That sounds like capitalism. Super Earth approves this message!

/j

[keen zinc]

now that i know how to use it

much better

this whole time thought the dip was the max charge like the purifier or loyalist

[graceful bluff]

I must reveal the most important epoch tech though

Just say a rocket got you whenever you charge it too much, your team will believe you :v

[dark plover]

Does fortified let you survive the detonation?

[graceful bluff]

I don't think anything but democracy protects will make you survive it

[dark plover]

sadge

[graceful bluff]

I mean you're putting a very unstable plasma weapon right next to your head :v

[dark plover]

It's okay, I don't keep anything important in there

[hazy oriole]

it what

[graceful bluff]

It's inconsistent but probably has to do with the grenade vents

[idle hollow]

||we better get a whistle emote||

i went for that

on top of siege breakers

[idle hollow]

really don't like it with vox engines shoot through themselves and then disappear

[cobalt patrol]

I am getitng very sick of teamates who's response to me carefully stealthing shit is hurr, 120 barrage on your postion

This is extra fucking annoying when i'm solo carrying shit

...And then they ressed me ontop of a patrol >.<

But hey ,i gcleared the mission and got us extracted

[stone bridge]

same

[barren iron]

https://deadline.com/2026/02/jason-momoa-helldivers-release-date-1236715868/

no....

no no no no no........

[blissful sparrow]

If he dies in the first 30 seconds of combat it will be good.
Otherwise, meh

[weary granite]

I personally see it as the Hunter Killer terminator tanks in the Terminator's Future.

[weary granite]

This one tho. I am iffy on.

If the dude dies, nice. But if this guy is playing the role of a new Democracy Officer sending young and hopeful Helldivers to fight and succeed for Super Earth. It might be interesting to watch as he becomes jaded with every Helldiver death.

To the point he speaks exactly like our Democracy Officer in-game.

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, this is dumb.

Like the way you do the helldivers movie is a squad of four bozos who never take their helemts off and keep dying

and the vas change each time etc

[cobalt patrol]

Also the fclag missions on cyberstan are hell

esp when tehy spawn right by the edge of hte map

[blissful sparrow]

Killing like 87 celebrities would also be amusing

[cobalt patrol]

so it's just constant reinforcements from every direction

[blissful sparrow]

Deadpool style

Sean Bean as a Helldiver and he is the only one who survives

[cobalt patrol]

Basically i think trying tom ake any kind of "main character" is going to miss the point of Helldivers

and we're gonna get unironic hoorah aciton movie

[barren iron]

the director has never played helldivers so

I'm not particularly expecting anything good

[idle hollow]

If I had a dollar for every machine human hybrid with tank treads and guns for arms in a game I’ve played recently id have two dollars which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it’s happened twice

[barren iron]

infact I am expecting abyssmal dogshit

[idle hollow]

spoilers for MENACE

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah. Like i know what i'd do:

Start with a kid going off, doing helldiver training (Seeing other recruits getting kileld and treating this as totally normal etc, onto the ship gets deployed... and dies five seconds later, ideally to a friendly fire incidnet.

Mission is on a bug planet, this gives y ou plentyy of room for girbblies and heroic sacriifces etc, it's a brutal long slog, lotso f helldivers die, and enveutally the last helldiver goes out heroically, hellbombing the bug nest. Victory!

...and then the camera pulls back to a strageic overlay showing this was one mission on one planet, and keeps pulling back to show the entire fucking galaxy is like this and it was entirely fucking pointless, getting however many people killed for a tiny bit of land. Maybe even show after the mission complete a 'Planet lost" to show how little this mattered.

[spare verge]

it'd be difficult to make a better helldivers movie than paul verhoeven's starship troopers

[cobalt patrol]

Mm, my pitch is pretty obviosuyl riffing on that too

and even trhat is too hoorah for helldivers imho

[idle hollow]

starship troopers and all quiet on the western front already exist this movie is pointless

https://tenor.com/view/all-quiet-on-the-western-front-regret-sadness-pain-celebration-gif-11912106596447852930

[spare verge]

huh

[stone bridge]

warbonds!!!!

[weary granite]

With how much friendly fire happens, I'm not surprised that we need this kind of fundraising for Reinforcement Reserves. XD

[spare verge]

we're definitely winning, the government isn't begging for handouts

[weary granite]

Have we even taken one megafactory site yet?

[spare verge]

we're 89% of the way to taking autonomy

[stone bridge]

to be fair we are bleeding reinforcements at a steady pace

these missions are quite brutal

[spare verge]

at the current rate we're going to lose the major order, according to helldivers companion

[weary granite]

If it ain't the Cyborgs Tiger Knee-ing divers in the jaw before performing a flawless roundhouse kick into curbstomp.

Then it's the absolute goobers doing the ye Olden time of Bastion whack a mole.

Probably Friendly Fire tho is the biggest statistic.

[spare verge]

I have a feeling we're going to get pushed off cyberstan and then the cyborgs are going to advance inexorably towards super earth

the bots are going to do this on super earth

[burnt vapor]

I would say they can dream but my democracy officer has informed me that socialists have no dreams /s

Jokes aside I wouldn't count us out yet on cyberstan

[spare verge]

the super earth president is going to die heroically defending a bunker with a pistol

[burnt vapor]

As all good presidents do

[cobalt patrol]

The effects of screwing with the defences are slightly terrifying

[weary granite]

Just hit another mission on Cyberstan. Fucking Cyborgs waited for me around a corner and proceeded to jump my ass like that one mission in Kingdom Hearts.

[barren iron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/C-K7_nngTx8?si=4zaAIOH3_SvUX7LT

[ivory swallow]

If an option gets funded on the DSS, does that lock out the other options?

[delicate aspen]

wow so this really is super earth 2.0, they gotta give bugdivers their own MO to feel included again

[weary granite]

Tbf, the excuse for the bug MO is lore relevant since they blenderize them into more O I L for their ships

[warped cradle]

All actions from every helldiver is kindling for the flame of freedom or something

[burnt vapor]

Those brave Class A citizens just volunteered to deliver live Terminid specimens back to our super scientists

[spare verge]

they wanted terminid eggs, they're getting terminid eggs

do you think they're eating them as super caviar

[delicate aspen]

lol, dare i say, lmao

arrowheads way of saying skill issue

[burnt vapor]

I mean, it's good advice

not useful but good

[warped cradle]

Tactical advisory: don't die lmao

[cobalt patrol]

Is just friend.

[warped cradle]

That's Terry, he doesn't bite

[cobalt patrol]

Loook, when my teamtes stop droppiung levelers/120s/380s on my head

my death rate will go down

Also when there's not 5 vox engines

[keen zinc]

Wake up to a random comment on a 3 karma random meme apparently having struck a chord with people

I was like what the hell 68 notifications

[weary granite]

Huh, strange. Do mods not work with the Slim beta of HD2?

[keen zinc]

The clean cross hair mod I use seems to work with the slim beta

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/oXnkGlWF0h

[weary granite]

Damn. That must mean there be a problem with reading my killzone conversion mod.

[graceful bluff]

could you link the mod

[steady flame]

I. Should take this to heart. What do you do when there's a main objective there though? Disengage, come back later?

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[graceful bluff]

most should work on the slim version as long as they're updated

[keen zinc]

The only main objective that punishes you for disengaging is raising the flag

[weary granite]

Its the killzone Righteous Revenants full conversion mod, I'll link it in a moment.

[keen zinc]

But the key thing is recognizing when you have the momentum and when you don't. Speed and violence of action is key and if your assault gets bogged down trying to break into an objective and you're just burning tickets, break contact and hit a different target. Portable Hellbomb is great for resetting the table

[blissful sparrow]

slim beta and prod should be the same now

[keen zinc]

I thought they were just talking about doing that soon, not that they've done it yet

Also Hallelujah a bug order

A change of pace

[steady flame]

Nah, it happened back on Jan 22nd.

[keen zinc]

Neato

[dusty spruce]

Oh yeah I saw that comment and went ‘oh hey’
Opinion on the Reddit is coming back around to ‘maybe don’t do boromir rp on a random hill’ but let’s see if that actually translates in game

[keen zinc]

Hot take: compromise defenses side objectives are just not worth the squeeze if the enemy drops there to fight you over them

If you can do it and get out without a bot drop, great, if they decide that this is where they make their stand, and the elephant sirens start blaring, it's just not worth the tickets, you can always come back later

[steady flame]

Yeah. Also, wow, the bugs really don't need AT as much as they need Heavy AP, do they?

[blissful sparrow]

Chargers need bonking and Bile titans need clonking.
Everything else you can just shoot.
You just ain't doing much against either without AT

[steady flame]

Hm. I ask because well, the railgun just isn't working for me on the Bug front and I'm trying to figure out why and what non-backpack alternatives exist.

[blissful sparrow]

it works against Chargers if you aim for the leg and then finish them off
But titans need a bunch of face shots.
i'm a big fan of HMG into bugs recently

[steady flame]

But HMG isn't AT, it's Heavy AP.

[blissful sparrow]

its AT enough

[graceful bluff]

you can hit their head from the soft side if you aim at it correctly from the back funnily enough

also works with the speargun due to overpen

[delicate aspen]

ive been doing plenty AT work with the HMG, works real well

[blissful sparrow]

during the gloom missions at time my group ran 4 HMGs.
Having the callout "Roach" followed by 4 cranked up HMGs laying into that thing and it just dropping in 5 seconds was always a good time

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> bug stomping is the duty of every liberty loving member of society

[graceful bluff]

ooh this mod is neat

[delicate aspen]

goddamn, we're real close to taking Autonomy, 92.5%

[weary granite]

https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/7534

Probably just need to set it to the very top of the load order

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> need 1 more patriot to do what must be done (retrieving commodaties for the 1%)

[forest crater]

Thinking about it, what diff y'all playing on? I'm pretty rusty so I might not do too well

[graceful bluff]

it's fine, we die to stupid shit all the time no matter the diff :v

[trail nymph]

On my way

[delicate aspen]

i feel like im bashing my head into a wall on cyberstan, much like amko said, people just dont know when to disengage, or the peak rando experience, intentioannly aggro everything in sight

[supple siren]

Bots do feel like they're coming outta the walls a bit on Cyberstan, which I do enjoy but it's *so easy * to get bogged down

[delicate aspen]

ive had entire squads and vox's materialise right infront of me, no cover just fuckin dbz instant transmission

[supple siren]

also feels like the sightlines on the Towers are a little.. fiddly with all the buildings and whatnot

some things don't seem to count for their LOS

[delicate aspen]

i actually got killed by falling building debris in my last round

[supple siren]

Vox try to aim their shattered remains at you, I swear

[dusty spruce]

I'm about 80% sure that the ejected pod is aimed at players.

[keen zinc]

man, bugs feels like a vacation after cy'stan

[supple siren]

The general bot accuracy buff has made them feel brutal

[blissful sparrow]

tbh i found it just be even more important to start putting rounds down range the moment they start shooting at you.
The difference when they are "surpressed" is super noticable

[dusty spruce]

I've been enjoying the Plasma Punisher for that. Anything that staggers Heavy Devs gives good openings to move

[graceful bluff]

You can apparently break the vox's eyes to make it more inaccurate and fire less but eh

[delicate aspen]

wouldnt be as bad if you could take out the cannons on the vox like the factory strider

[graceful bluff]

you can

[keen zinc]

theyre heavy pen too

[strange vine]

your mistake is thinking the "Anti-Tank" value of the Railgun means it's anti-heavy; its not, it just means it has an AP of 5. The Railgun's niche is medium clear work, hence why it can annihilate Devastators and can do precision shots on hulk heads. Against the bugs, your biggest threats are the hordes of small enemies (most of whom are AV3 or less) and the smaller amounts of heavies that have bigger HP pools than most bot heavies but are AV4 for the most part. This is why railgun falters vs bugs

[graceful bluff]

They just have an absurd 8k health

[strange vine]

yeah the turrets have 8000 HP

[graceful bluff]

(The gatlings only have 300 with medium pen though)

[strange vine]

which is a Lot

they could drop it to 3000 imo, so RR can one shot them off

[steady flame]

Right, I see.

skaianDestiny ↩️

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[delicate aspen]

okay game, fuck me i guess

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1r2dtv7/the_amount_of_aura_farming_cyborg_does_when_dying/

[strange vine]

LMAO thats unfortunate

[delicate aspen]

I think i turned my cyborg experience into a full nightmare by giving them adam smasher voice lines, nothing more terrifying than a radical spotting you, sprinting at you and yelling "you're a cut of fuckable meat" before dropkicking you.

[keen zinc]

theyre so much cooler than us...

[dusty spruce]

It's honestly why I'm glad fighting Cyborgs again, especially if they'll maybe give us more.
It scratches a particular itch that is, imo, also the reason so many were begging for a 'separatist' faction.

[steady flame]

Five. Hundred. Vox Engines.

Lark ↩️

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[steady flame]

I'm starting to think I should treat Cyberstan ops like commando ops.

[naive hawk]

c4 bandolier mod is half the reason i currently have a c4 stealth addiction

[graceful bluff]

The helldivers movie thing has us thinking on another discord about what other actors would be up for it

They'd have to be able to look like special forces soldiers but still be able to be fine with eating shit almost instantly(so no statham, rock, etc with tiny pp clauses)

Could see tom hardy

While he's a quite old for the role, sean bean is a master of dying in movies

[stable schooner]

Honestly, I would want younger actors for a Helldivers movie. Getting actual teenagers doesn't really happen, but I'd want people who could pass for it.

they're comedically incompetent fascist death cultists, recruited young, high on propaganda fumes (and also high on drugs), given minimal training and told they're elite, that's the point, they should still be dealing with their voice cracking sometimes.

[delicate aspen]

they could go peak comedy and take out every A-lister in the opening shot because peak helldivers

[tame parcel]

The Stim Tutorial is pretty crazy.

Wonder if that canonically instills a fear of terminals in any new recruits.

[graceful bluff]

I could see the A listers being this ultra competent veteran group of helldeivers

that just instantly eat shit

[dark plover]

Basically like the intro to James Gunn's Suicide Squad would be great

[naive hawk]

veteran (survived half of a mission)

[graceful bluff]

Veteran (They are literally actors for propaganda but it's gotten so bad that even they have been deployed into actual combat)

[dark plover]

Take a page from Starship Troopers and everyone both alive and with combat experience has severe lingering injuries and prosthetics.

[graceful bluff]

Also I'm surprised how many throwing knives you get

I didn't think it'd be 20

I still don't think it's worth it mind you but still

[dark plover]

I think originally it was less

[graceful bluff]

I feel like it was like, 7 on release

but yeah trading 3 thermites/3 dynamite/5 arc grenades for what, an ultimatum instead of the socom? doesn't really feel worth it to me

I guess if you don't have the halo warbond

[dark plover]

Horribly misaligned with the tone of the game, but I feel like there's some thematic potential behind veteran soldiers needing so many implants and prosthetics that civilians eventually stop seeing them as heroes and more like Cyborgs.

But yeah throwing knives seem sort of like a novelty or challenge run tool

[graceful bluff]

h u h

there might be a use for them after all

https://youtu.be/H_l8y4a7SYA?t=1609 hard to tell with the compression but I think they oneshot armored borgs with a headshot?

Might genuinely be a minecraft arrow situation, knife sticks to helmet, breaks helmet and thus the knife starts having physics again and instantly impacts with their head

[oblique lotus]

oh knives are good

you gotta hit with them but they hit fucking hard

[graceful bluff]

Yeah

they're in dire need of an aiming arc though :v

now that c4 has 40 demo it feels so nice on bugs

What's the highest count grenade that can still kill bug nests/fabs? firework?

and frag I guess

[shrewd tiger]

The Epoch gets double damage at max charge as well as becoming anti-tank.

[delicate aspen]

thats an interesting modifier

OOPS ALL HULKS BACK ON THE MENU FRIENDS

[sour falcon]

It feels weird to not see factory striders so far on Cyberstan

[stone bridge]

Vox Engines replace them entirely on D7+

[sour falcon]

That makes me sad. I’d love to have both the big fellas on the same battlefield.

[knotty folio]

Eeeexcellent

[graceful bluff]

This build feels so nice on bugs

C4, EAT, Leveler, flex, smoke pods

[dusty spruce]

I agree and honestly, I sorta think Vox Engines shouldn't be dropshipped. They should only be wandering in. They don't look quite right beneath those ships, compared to how the Factory Striders did, though I think Factory Striders would be really scuffed in the Megafactories. Too long, they'd clip into things even more than the Vox Engines already do

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1r32wx4/what_is_the_counter_to_this/

also this the sorta proof to me the pods 100% target people

[dark plover]

I definitely want to try an expendables/smoke pod build. Hopefully they add some more pod boosters that are worth taking so this concept can be expanded

[graceful bluff]

honestly the resupply pod turret is shit enough that they could just put it on all of em

[dark plover]

Yo dawg I heard you like sentries

[cobalt patrol]

Oh my fucking god, why are there so many iidots on d10 cyberstan

guy just running for 3 minutes before he ressed us

Which turned a "we can stablize this easy" into "now there's a bot drop all over our equipment"

[keen zinc]

yeah...

[graceful bluff]

The true enemy are other helldiers, comrades

:v

[keen zinc]

people dont seem to get that leaving people dead is a super substantial disadvantage

a dead man does no damage

[graceful bluff]

Ok that mistype is too funny to fix

[pastel igloo]

i have returned to fight for democracy, the fit is still hard

[rotund marten]

<@&1206091872716595200> diving

[pastel igloo]

i can join if you don't mind having someone who hasn't played in a while on the team

[pastel igloo]

love joining an automaton kill mission, the mission being over, killing a single automaton, and getting "gallantry beyond measure"

good job me

lmao my gun leveled too

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i just quit that mission imemdiately

It takes less than a second to dial in the code for respawning someone

and honeslty if you cant do it that ast why are you even on super helldive?

[tight zephyr]

The Adjudicator sucks, gonna try the LibPen instead.

[stone bridge]

how so?

[tight zephyr]

Sucks.

Mag size too small, rate of fire too low, recoil too strong.

Reload too long.

[stone bridge]

you just need attachments to reduce the recoil tbh

[tight zephyr]

That doesn't help the magazine capacity, reload time or rate of fire.

[lethal delta]

I eventually stopped using it and swapped over to the lever rifle

[pastel igloo]

got thrown right into 4 of the big automaton lads

[cobalt patrol]

What are you trying to use the adjucator for?

[pastel igloo]

mfw i die

[cobalt patrol]

@tight zephyr

[tight zephyr]

Shooting bots, what else?

[lethal delta]

Of course slower rof, but the shot/damage balance feels way better

[cobalt patrol]

I dont think ARs are the way to go on bots.

[glacial light]

Look if that cyborg is dying theyre dying you with them, they're smart enough to see the muzzle flash of the RR is what killed them /s

[cobalt patrol]

Well, i dunno, you coudl be on any of the other fronts,m its' why i'm asking!

imho, bots are all about Da Headshots,and it's real hard to go past the Censor as a headshot machine

it's also rapid fire enough that misses don't hurt, snappy ergonomics, and reloads quick

[tight zephyr]

I've made assault rifles work for me just fine, I just don't like the Adjudicator.

[lethal delta]

I've had a lot of success on 10 with the scorcher, which doesn't need to score headshots except for elites

And whenever I pick up a jackal from a friend, that thing slaps

[cobalt patrol]

Purifier also murks shit real good into bots

[tight zephyr]

The LibCarbine has been my mainstay for a while now.

[cobalt patrol]

Fair enoguh!

[tight zephyr]

I don't think I really need the medium penetration, is the thing.

[delicate aspen]

ngl thats funny as shit, just needs the lead pipe sfx and its golden

[lethal delta]

You absolutely don't need medium pen. I just hate the obliterator family of enemies

Medium pen enables me to kill hordes of them when I can't just kneel and pop heads

[stone bridge]

Censor sweeps imo

[tight zephyr]

I don't usually find myself in a position to take careful aim.

[lethal delta]

In bots it's usually because I'm defending a friend using the chair

Which means I'm going to tank some damage anyway, so I just kneel down, and start hunting devastator heads

[dusty spruce]

I've seen a lot of people use the Censor, a lot of people spam firing into Devastator shoulders

[rotund marten]

censor is godly if your aim is decent

[lethal delta]

Iirc it has very high damage, and enables you to disarm them quickly even if you can't kill them (for whatever reason)

[rotund marten]

sometimes you just need to lie down and pick off the six incoming devs methodically

[pastel igloo]

ok i need to figure out where the weak spot on those big mech tanks are

[oblique lotus]

on the vox engines?

[pastel igloo]

yeah

tried shooting them with recoilless in various spots but it didn't seem to take

[oblique lotus]

shoot out the vents with light and then throw a grenade in the hole, shoot low with the leveller/solo silo and follow up with AT, or shoot them in the head with a lot of AT

[pastel igloo]

i did see the vents thing but when i tried it no hole seemed to open

[lethal delta]

I use the deadeye in those situations. A missed shot that hits the body isn't wasted, similar range, higher damage, lower fire rate

[oblique lotus]

you need to shoot out all three on either the top or the bottom and they open different hatches

[pastel igloo]

Ahhh

[oblique lotus]

otherwise orbital laser/AT spam/big boom

hellbombs are solid too if you can avoid the cannons and gatlings

[lethal delta]

My Dmr obsessed friend swears by the counter sniper as the best battle rifle in the game, but I don't like it that much

[dusty spruce]

most marksman rifles are good, but I'm really starting to feel like a lot of players do full grunt rp and can rank the flavor of crayons

[pastel igloo]

my fav weapon was always the Sickle

started using Liberator Penetrator before i stopped playing last tho

[lethal delta]

I guess for me it's the talon

Trusty mid pen infinite ammo secondary

[pastel igloo]

don't have that one unfortunately

[lethal delta]

Everything I ever want in a weapon, as a secondary

[pastel igloo]

which warbond is it in

i can maybe farm super credits to get it

[lethal delta]

The frontier one iirc

Far west themed

[pastel igloo]

remembering why i kinda stopped playing this game, having all the new stuff gated behind super credits meant i have to just sit and farm for hours if i want to try anything new

[pastel igloo]

yeah it is

that looks like a slick gun

i will save for this warbond

[lethal delta]

I should probably break out the double freedom

Can't be that bad for bots

[pastel igloo]

well whenever i get the spoons to farm out some super creds i'll get borderline justice

[dark plover]

Scorcher so I can kill shield devastators without aiming

Punisher Plasma is honestly really strong too- takes like 3 shots to kill devastators but stunlocks non-heavies

I might be plasmapilled

[dusty spruce]

Plasma is king against bots, imo

Just need a pocket supply pack :p

Scorcher is good, PlasPunish is great, Purifier is best

[dark plover]

Really trying to resist getting Polar Pat for one weapon, but my will power weakens every day

[dusty spruce]

Same for me, but it’s truth enforcers so I can wield the Purifier, Loyalist, and Epoch and just use the same gun 3 times

[dark plover]

Plasma balls of various sizes

[glacial light]

As someone who has the aim of a grunt, I cannot use marksman rifle unless they make one you don't need to aim well

Another reason Eruptor is perfect for me, I don't need to aim good for kills

Generally hits shoulder of shield dev? Ded

[dark plover]

My favorite is the unscoped AMR, which seems to just auto aim on the center of mass of whatever is in front of you.

[dusty spruce]

I worry as we get access to more and more megafactories the playerbase is gonna get more spread until we can’t progress anything

[glacial light]

We still do progess for failure

No matter how much we tried not to get AT mines we ended up getting them

What was it 3 failed major MOs to avoid getting AT mines before AH just dropped them for us as a result of failing yet another one for unlocking AT mines

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/helldivers2/comments/1r2e4ad/2_shotting_a_vox_engine_with_hammer/

[tame parcel]

Damn.

[glacial light]

Damn hover pack really gets you to the perfect height for bonking the vent

I want to believe a dev did this intentionally so they could bonk the vox engines with hammers when it came out

[naive hawk]

soloed cyberstan d10 for internet clout points

highly recommend not even thinking about doing this in the slightest

[winter shuttle]

i see someone is enjoying menace

[keen zinc]

LETS GET IT

[winter shuttle]

its a great game

[weary granite]

Oh Menace is out now?

[strange vine]

early access yeah'

[oblique lotus]

leveller + solo silo + EATs/commando is surprisingly good

this is solid

[rotund marten]

I am all in on the C4 at this point

basic frags also doing work

easy high-capacity clearing

[oblique lotus]

I like thermites too much

[stone bridge]

I think smokes are too necessary on Cyberstan to be rolling with anything else rn

Having one way to smoke per person cuts down on Vox Engine deaths dramatically

[glacial light]

I dont know about necessary, I hardly make use of it even when someone else has it

[stone bridge]

That's cool

[winter shuttle]

i do think the tank did well in cyberstan

at least for a innitail trust

tank + gunner with eat, or other at is a good combo

[stone bridge]

I think clever use of smoke makes for far smoother and easier missions, though

[glacial light]

I think shieldnade, lure, smoke are pretty top tier right now for distractions and safe objective clearing

[winter shuttle]

only becuse the spam of vox are...well a bit insane at the moment

even in D7

5 of those things going "HELLDIVER SCUMMMM" gets me in a panic mode

[rotund marten]

I haven't been using smoke at all but I have been doing a lot of cowering

[glacial light]

Yea they spawn too quickly all at once, trying to klill them before doing objective is like not possible. Might as well just push past them and do the objective

[rotund marten]

current loadout is censor, ulti, frags, C4, laser and whatever else I can find

usually sentries

just to keep streets clear

[glacial light]

Grab some defensive option like shield, smoke, stealth and do the ojbective rather than killing voxes

[winter shuttle]

wich is a shame becuse they are a well desing enemy, they drawn attention, you have a way to take them down without AT, they are a fun enemy

[rotund marten]

the new cities seem rather less heavy on vox engines

we're having like 3-4 in the real crunch moments rather than 5+, and usually with some decent gaps between waves of 2-3

[winter shuttle]

just....not fun to deal with 5 of them rolling on

[stone bridge]

My current loadout is

Reduced Signature
Censor/Loyalist/Smokes
Gas Strike/Smoke Strike/MG Sentry/C4

[winter shuttle]

i think steralth is really good, the censor ability to one shot the KARATE cyborgs is very nice

[rotund marten]

currently going for the extra padding medium armour

it's saved my behind a lot

[glacial light]

I still rock
Medic armor
Eruptor/Warrant/Lure mines
Warp Pack/Strafe

[rotund marten]

reduced sig is fun but I find I'm less sneaking and more minimising the distance I need to run under fire

[winter shuttle]

the most annoying part currently of cyberstand isnt the new OPFOR, is the gunship being far too damm accurate

[glacial light]

Just be fast and dont ever take more than 2 hits in a row and stims makes you invincible when you need to take hits

[rotund marten]

the gunships are bastards, yeah

my loadout doesn't have a good way to deal with them

other than rocket turret

[stone bridge]

Loyalist in the secondary slot

[glacial light]

I also find warp pack messes up bot target acquisition bad

[stone bridge]

Done

[rotund marten]

which usually is game for 1/2

[winter shuttle]

they got too tanky and too easy to lock you down, so yhea

[rotund marten]

secondary slot has the Ultimatum welded into it, I need it for hulks/warstriders/buildings

[stone bridge]

3 charged shots to an engine drops a gunship

[glacial light]

I might as well have smoke cause if I warp every time its up nothing targets me well

[stone bridge]

Nah

[winter shuttle]

uhhh the quasar isnt bad to deal with them

[stone bridge]

Not if you're good

(legit though you have C4 you'll be fine)

[winter shuttle]

hey, can we not with the get gud stuff ?

just putting it foward

[glacial light]

Even the engines have issues keeping lock if you warp pack spam, I tried cyberstan without warp pack once and it was like pain

They laser onto you like snipers

[stone bridge]

Apologies, Misc and I are friends and I was just ribbing him

Won't do it again

[winter shuttle]

thats fair

just you know, the main issue on the reddit is folks giving valid critism and folks going "just get good" and using the same eruptor/crossbow + RR setup

[stone bridge]

Mhm, I getcha

Mb

[rotund marten]

I find the C4 empties really fast

especially if I ever need to kill a vox

[winter shuttle]

hey if its done in a friendly way i dont mind, again discord is hard to get tones XD

[rotund marten]

which usually takes 3-4

I do not mind

[stone bridge]

Yeh this is true

[rotund marten]

besides I do half the objective killing whenver we play anyway

[winter shuttle]

C4 is nice, but really to do full stealth i had to have my other team members running, what i like to call "the clown show"

[rotund marten]

I have considered HMG emplacement for gunships but they knock you off it pretty easily

[glacial light]

I think theres a spot where 2-3 c4s take out a vox engine

[winter shuttle]

aka, the tank, with one of them with a grenade laucher

[stone bridge]

You wanna aim for the waist

[rotund marten]

you can definitely do it in 3

[stone bridge]

With C4

Consistent 3-shot

[rotund marten]

but I cannot reliably do it in 3 while dodging all the shit

usually one ends up somewhere silly if I'm throwing from an annoying spot

[winter shuttle]

its the "in theory", in theory you can take them out with 3, can you take them out while the whole scream is nothing but lasers like its dance dance revolution ?

[glacial light]

Unless its a flag objective I dont really bother with engines

[rotund marten]

you can also track them, which is theoretically useful but I've yet to find many in spots where stranding them does much good

especially since the missiles have a range of yes and don't seem to need LOS

[glacial light]

I havent played city maps but they spawned way too much to really be able to kill them faster than they spawn

Unless you do like an alpha strike of leveler/silo/everything else getting to the megafactory to kill them all and put everything on CD

[rotund marten]

I will say

when we go back to factory striders they will be a breeze

well, they already weren't that rough

[glacial light]

Striders were already a breeze

[rotund marten]

their miniguns are slightly meaner than the side guns on these guys but Voxes have way more other dakka

[glacial light]

Take out the top turret and theyre like no threat, single eagle strafing run or AT shot to cannon really makes them much less deadly

[rotund marten]

I did one op on diff 10 bugs to do my part for the MO earlier today and everyone was just standing around hosing down waves with lasfire and shooting the shit

it was so much less hectic

[glacial light]

Also if you want to by cheesy 3 pyrotechs kills a factory strider

[rotund marten]

(trident/talon/+2 thermite good loadout)

[stone bridge]

boo talon

:p

[rotund marten]

medium punch kills annoying hive guard and spitters

[glacial light]

I used to be a talon stan but now I see the beauty of Warrant

[rotund marten]

could use basically anything else but rotating between the two means you can basically keep firing forever with no reload or downtime

[stone bridge]

overrated junk imo

[rotund marten]

can't stand the warrant

[glacial light]

I dont thinks its overrated, its pretty good to be very meta

[rotund marten]

something about its handling repels me

[winter shuttle]

i use the desert eagle sidearm

i forgot its name

[stone bridge]

20 durable damage kills the talon imo

It's really really bad against anything but chaff

[supple siren]

dev headshots..

[rotund marten]

they're bugs, I only care about using it on chaff

[glacial light]

I mean it is a secondary

[stone bridge]

Which is why I've drifted towards the Loyalist

[rotund marten]

the only things those two guns at all struggle with are armoured spitters, which admittedly loyalist would kill pretty well

[oblique lotus]

the talon's decent but I struggle to justify it instead of the senator

[rotund marten]

but then I couldn't keep laser spamming literally forever

[glacial light]

Reloading senator being a pain is a reason I could think of

[winter shuttle]

the verdict for me has been a fun weapon

[rotund marten]

heat up trident -> swap talon, fire six times -> swap back -> repeat

[oblique lotus]

just dump the cylinder and then it reloads fast

[rotund marten]

reloading no longer real

[stone bridge]

I just generally don't value "shoot forever" very highly

Unless it's on a big support weapon

[rotund marten]

on bugs I do, because they just keep coming at you

[glacial light]

Most people I see with Talon bring it with weapons that can handle tough enemies anyways like crossbow/eruptor

[stone bridge]

The backpack guns are nice

[oblique lotus]

I have a soft spot for the blitzer because it is very shoot forever

the blitzer is the shoot foreverest gun

[rotund marten]

also these days I can just shove a GL in the support slot and it melts everything the laser spam can't

but that's because it's cracked

[glacial light]

Double Edged Sickle is pretty good shoot forever if you either have medic armor or fire resist

[winter shuttle]

for me its weird that the backpack GL is weaker then the regular gl

[oblique lotus]

also I think the reason why I like solo silo + leveller is that it can (sorta) keep up with the vox engine spam which on 7+ is desperately necessary

[stone bridge]

yeaj

[oblique lotus]

you can kill a vox engine a minute and unfortunately you need that level of firepower

[stone bridge]

They gotta buff it

At least to 200 damage per nade and more AoE or something

[winter shuttle]

i found weird that they made the regular GL heavy

for me that was a bit of a "huh...it was already good, but now its bether"

[oblique lotus]

it really did not need to be heavy

[glacial light]

Its definitely good for alpha strikes at objectives, if a megafactory has 2 less engines just based on you alone the moment you get to it cause you nearly killed it with those 2 then finished it off

[oblique lotus]

yeah

[glacial light]

Buys the time you need to get it done

[oblique lotus]

and also you just always have an answer because something is probably coming off of CD

[glacial light]

A lot of what I value in a loadout anyways isnt sustained firefights but what gets the mission done

[oblique lotus]

I value firepower

[glacial light]

Even if I optimize purely for killing I could not kill faster than enemies fast in a good timeframe. Stuff that lets me get hard objective dones is what I value

[oblique lotus]

I desperately want something like the HD1 rumbler

[glacial light]

Playing pubs I can bet everyone else has something for spawners

Not enough people seem to prep for worst case scenarios

[oblique lotus]

I usually aim to be self sufficient which means high uptime AT and clear options

high uptime in general tbph

hellpack is interesting conceptually but the cooldown is too long imo

[glacial light]

I do try to be self sufficient for every build since I play with randos

Hellpack?

[oblique lotus]

portable hellbomb

[glacial light]

Oh I do bring that

[rotund marten]

I spend a lot of time running between bases on my own so I want the ability to clear tons of buildings with my core gear

[oblique lotus]

hellbomb backpack hence hellpack

[rotund marten]

usually that's laser, GL, ulti and some kind of fourth thing

eagle strike is amazing for it because you get a billion of them and they're really versatile, but it's unusable on cyberstan

[glacial light]

Hellbomb I use preemptively to kill an objective before my teammates gets to it and start dying

[rotund marten]

so many AA emplacements

[oblique lotus]

I usually run gundog but I've considered swapping it for NEATs

[glacial light]

Jammers and gunship towers especially

I feel like even at D9+ people cannot do jammers well

[oblique lotus]

jammers are hard

[glacial light]

They just super slowly push and get killed and its like minimum 3 reinforcements

I just run in with a hellbomb and maybe I die so at most 1 reinforcement is used

Dont bother killing just keep stimming and run and drop it

Less than 20 seconds, no teammate's ammo, no reinforcement loops

[oblique lotus]

I suppose I could drop the gundog for the hellpack

[glacial light]

Portable hellbomb is a hard counter to jammers really, theyre super easy with one

[oblique lotus]

but that means that my aim needs to be on point

[glacial light]

Oh I keep my warp pack

I just call in hellbomb when I need it

Also flag objectives I just try to skip on cyberstan but if my teammates want to do it and we get wiped from the hill, drop the portable hellbomb onto the flag really clears it fast enough for you to do it fast

Buys you enough time to just do the flag before enemies can build up numbers fast enough where flag is just unclearable

[oblique lotus]

...why do NEATs have a 120s cd?

[glacial light]

No clue

I get higher CD cause they are literally EATs with naplam explosive but idk if it warrants 120s CD

Id say like 90s would be fair

[oblique lotus]

they don't do AT

medium pen only

oh sorry it's like 250 damage direct hit AT6 but that's not much

[glacial light]

Huh interesting

Last I used it could handle like hulks and similar enemies you'd use an EATs for

[oblique lotus]

it does a 200 dps ap4 DoT

[glacial light]

What a double slap to the face the flames are only heavy

[oblique lotus]

yeah

commando is faster

solo silo I get having a longer CD because its the fucking solo silo

but NEATs?

[glacial light]

Oh I guess napalm is heavy, I thought it was AP7

AP7 is just pyrotech

Nvm, its also 4

Im not sure what the deal with this is

[oblique lotus]

the NEAT is still good don't get me wrong, it's a huge area of medium death and a really potent fire DoT

but why is it 120s?

[stone bridge]

Because it's easier to use than EATs and has a higher lethality ceiling with some tricks you can do

[oblique lotus]

eh fair

I"ll report back on how the all expendable loadout went

[glacial light]

When Silo came out I ran EATs, NEATs, Silo, Hellbomb and Democracy Protects into bots and well

I was destroyer of armor

[tight zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/436948616452767755/1471716594076880905/33DF0A1.MP4?ex=698ff263&is=698ea0e3&hm=9ee457b4d9c1041aca9cf0ccd234c139dbdbb1cba4c10e0e1f5c5b767199f122&

hahahaha wheeee

[ivory swallow]

wait huh

why are people so much more successful now

i thought we were cooked on this

[cobalt patrol]

That's why i was reocmmending the Censor.

[ivory swallow]

oh, its possibly bot fuckery

[cobalt patrol]

I ended up going back to the Talon, but it's because i've switched out the GL for the Epoch in my Loud Stealthdiver setup

and the Talon works better for that loadout (Which you know, makes sense givne the Epoch is the big brother of the Purifer and Loyalist)

[oblique lotus]

ok using the hellpack for anything other than demo and surviving is hard

esp because vox engines are very fast

[cobalt patrol]

Currently my loud stealthdiver setup is

Censor/Talon/Gas (I should really experimetn with smokes, but i confuse and kill things is an addiction)
Low Signature armor (even though you're squishy, it's real good - i've been running the medium, but i'm gonna give hte lgiht a spin and see if extra zoomies help)
Solo Silo, Epoch, Supply Pack, Smoke Strike.

works pretty well.

[rotund marten]

what's the talon doing there, exactly? fun for bugs, but against bots you can usually either headshot it with the censor or need full AT

[cobalt patrol]

Talon is just a backup weapon

[rotund marten]

I alternate wildly between light sneaky armour and medium extra armour

[cobalt patrol]

If a firefight brekas out, it's a quick reload option

[rotund marten]

the health is just very handy

I find the Censor really doesn't need that, especially once it gets the extended mag

30 DMR shots on a fairly quick reload

so I can free up a spot for nade pistol or ulti

[cobalt patrol]

Eh, at this point it's engraved in my muscle reflexxs to quick swap to my secondary

so if i broguth ulti, what wouldf happen is i would explode

[rotund marten]

I'm almost always running a utility secondary so it's really not for me, fair enough

I've been using generic frags in the grenade slot so I can throw them into vox machines and fabs but maybe I should go smoke or thermite instead

the vox hatch is annoyingly small and easy to miss

[cobalt patrol]

It's just a really good backup gun

[steady flame]

We were originally running thermite but decided today to test out other options

[rotund marten]

at this point the censor does literally everything I need a gun to do on bots except kill gunships

tons of ammo, one tap headshot for devs and cyborgs, sneaky kills, can spam enough dakka to cut through crowds of troopers and agitator armour

very slot efficient

hates hive guard so I don't run it for bugs

[steady flame]

We’ve been getting a lot of good mileage out of the railgun.

Kills hulks, war striders, gunships, basically anything short of a tank or vox

Personally I'd recommend the SOCOM if you have it, just so that when you swing for the sidearm, you don't alert a 50 mile radius.

Will admit we’re vaguely regretting our decision to buy the kill zone warbond since while it has some cool things redacted regiment or siege breakers would have been more useful

Plas-39 is neat but we don’t have it unlocked yet

[oblique lotus]

ok so issue with the leveller

[steady flame]

We're glued to the Recoilless Rifle.
Click on a Hulk, it dies. War Strider, click on the lower torso, it dies. Tank, dies. Turret, dies. Vox Engine... eats a bunch of HEAT but eventually dies.

Pack of muddled beasties | BargainBinCryptid ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) We’ve been getting a lot of good mileage out of the railgun.

Kills hulks, war striders, gunships, b…

[oblique lotus]

the blast radius is round, right?

which means that the closer to the ground it goes off the more stuff gets hit, right?

[steady flame]

Yeah recoilless is good. Staple for a reason

Sierra (she/her) | Wyvern Silver Dragon ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) We're glued to the Recoilless Rifle.
Click on a Hulk, it dies. War Strider, click on the lower torso… 📎

It's 3 RR to kill a Vox, right?

[oblique lotus]

I can adjust aim so the shots go lower no issue, but uh my ability to adjust my expectations of "safe distance from friendlies" is apparently much lower

[steady flame]

We just like the railgun because it lets us save our other tools when we see a midsize enemy

[oblique lotus]

also oops

[rotund marten]

extra padding medium armour has saved me a lot on cyberstan when someone dumps ten tons of high explosive on a vox I'm near

[steady flame]

Think so? Hard to test because of how insanely chaotic 8+ Cyberstan is, so we think it might depend on where the shots land, but it feels like 3 takes one down.

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) It's 3 RR to kill a Vox, right?

[rotund marten]

or when I come around a corner to see one of the ever-present hulks and have to ulti it at five metres distance

[steady flame]

And the reasonably plentiful ammo means we don’t feel bad dumping it into some chaff enemy that’s being annoying (most cyborgs)

[rotund marten]

and thus rocket jump away from it with the blast while taking about 30% damage

[steady flame]

I tried to use RG, but er. It's just not what I need from it. 😭

That, and killing all the vents up close plus one Thermite.

That’s fair

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) I tried to use RG, but er. It's just not what I need from it. 😭

Also surprisingly we’ve yet to explode ourselves!

And we’ve been running it purely on unsafe mode since day one

[oblique lotus]

Leveller/solo silo between the legs and an EAT to the anywhere will also do it

[cobalt patrol]

Ish. Hitting the glowing vents does a big load of damage, as the vents have low hp, but a big damage multi and transfer to main

[oblique lotus]

as will a hellpack blast

[steady flame]

My question is, how do you deal with a horde of Voxes?

Apparently the "head" is more heavily armored than the lower body?

[oblique lotus]

The head has more HP and not all of the lower body hitboxes are blast immune

[steady flame]

Our solution is mostly laser or 380mm

Or just, run

/die

[cobalt patrol]

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Vox_Engine

[steady flame]

...you... don't.

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) My question is, how do you deal with a horde of Voxes?

[cobalt patrol]

As always, the wiki is your friend

[oblique lotus]

solo silo + leveller + EAT is surprisingly cromulent against the current vox spam

[cobalt patrol]

the sacofogus (that bit in the middle with the 3 glowing lights) has 7k hp and is Fatal.

[rotund marten]

Orbital laser one, C4 another, maybe tackle a third manually and leave the rest of the team to handle the rest

[cobalt patrol]

but has 100% DR to Explosive

[oblique lotus]

put enough templates downrange and they die

[rotund marten]

I'd solo silo more but it's not too compatible with C4

[steady flame]

That explains us being able to smack it in the face a couple times with a recoiless to kill it

The Zombie Penguin (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) the sacofogus (that bit in the middle with the 3 glowing lights) has 7k hp and is Fatal.

[rotund marten]

Leveller I can maybe fit since I tend to empty said C4 and cyberstan is light on map ammo

[cobalt patrol]

"The Eagle Strafing Run is surprisingly effective against Vox engines, capable of taking them down in one or two passes."

[steady flame]

...so if you shoot it straight in the face with a Recoilless it takes no damage?

The Zombie Penguin (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) but has 100% DR to Explosive

Hit the bricks?

Sierra (she/her) | Wyvern Silver Dragon ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) ...you... don't. 📎

[naive hawk]

recoilless is ballistic damage

[steady flame]

...wha.

[cobalt patrol]

Incorrect.

[naive hawk]

• you lose 150 aoe damage but whatever

[steady flame]

No, the HEAT shell deals ballistic (because it’s a heat jet)

Sierra (she/her) | Wyvern Silver Dragon ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) ...so if you shoot it straight in the face with a Recoilless it takes no damage? 📎

[rotund marten]

Eagle strafe would be one of my staples if the cities weren't honeycombed with AA mounts

[naive hawk]

ew

[steady flame]

The HE shell doesn’t do anything though

[cobalt patrol]

The majority of the RR's damage is from the projectile hitting

[steady flame]

Apparently HE shell impact does er, 750 damage, which is still less than half of the HE shell total damage but. It's not nothing.

[oblique lotus]

the aoe is med pen and wouldnt hurt it anyway

[steady flame]

That’s strange

[cobalt patrol]

3.2k direct damage to whatever it hitsi n HEAT mode.

plus a piddly 150 explosive damage

[naive hawk]

i think some sections are med/light pen but there’s so many bits on the thing i forgor

[steady flame]

Ooookay, so shoot the sarcophagus three times with a Recoilless, it dies, got it.

Also actually, credit where credit's due on the railgun like I was saying earlier, erm, it turns hulks into scrap very well.

[cobalt patrol]

but it's mianly the fact that a giant lump of of metal at high speeds smashed into something that kills stuff with the RR

[steady flame]

Our only problem with the railgun is that the weakspots on hulks/war striders can be very finicky sometimes

[cobalt patrol]

Things have EXDR because otherwise you'd just hit them with 500kgs or whatever and they'd vaporize everything

[oblique lotus]

gatlings are med, vents are AV1

[steady flame]

Yeahhh, hulk eyes can be, pain. And war striders are even worse.

Pack of muddled beasties | BargainBinCryptid ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Our only problem with the railgun is that the weakspots on hulks/war striders can be very finicky so…

[cobalt patrol]

becuase the explosion hits multiple body parts.

[rotund marten]

I wonder how many railguns it takes to kill a vox if you last the vents for damage transfer

[cobalt patrol]

This is why Bile Titans tend to go splat if you land the 500kg under them

[steady flame]

But, one RR shot to a WS and it enters the turret toss Olympics.

Like sometimes we have to hit the eye perfectly and sometimes we just have to hit the part with the eye on it

...basically.
It's why the flag missions on 8+ are downright ridiculous if the alarm is sounded. You get surrounded by two or three Vox Engines from multiple angles and if you go five feet from the flag to deal with them you lose all your progress, but if you stay there they dismember you.

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Hit the bricks? 📎

[rotund marten]

For those I recommend bubble shield, orbital laser, C4 and assorted mixed thermite and ulti

[oblique lotus]

strafe being AP5 really annoys me

[rotund marten]

Enough people with those can handle a vox wave

[steady flame]

Hmm, in the lieu of the censor we may actually try out the diligence

We've started checking the operation and if we see a flag mission we straight up just will not take it.

[oblique lotus]

it should be horde clear not weirdo antitank

[steady flame]

The Diligences are pretty good.

[strange vine]

this one's based on number of people doing it, so we're getting higher rates at peak hours (around evening US time)

[oblique lotus]

flags are doable but you need basically leveller/silo/cluster/NEAT etc

basically the ability to throw circles at the hordes of enemies

[steady flame]

Personally I prefer the CS just because I'm at 20/25 with it, but, the standard R-63 is really good too.

(Also decided to pick up the medium siege ready armour from the super store and it’s pretty good ngl)

[rotund marten]

I have not been impressed by the neats

[steady flame]

..Is NEAT Nuclear EAT?

sigh
Sure, we'd use those... if we had them.

Misc | Naval RA-chitect ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) For those I recommend bubble shield, orbital laser, C4 and assorted mixed thermite and ulti

We’re at level 1 with both lol. Never used it

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Personally I prefer the CS just because I'm at 20/25 with it, but, the standard R-63 is really good …

[oblique lotus]

they're fine but I want them to have a 90 second cd rsther than 120

[oblique lotus]

napalm cluster disposable launcher

[steady flame]

Oh, Napalm EAT. Oops.

[oblique lotus]

no AT worth talking about but big radius and a 200 dps fire dot

[rotund marten]

Censor is basically just a heavily upgraded regular diligence if you aren't totally turned off by the lower bullet velocity

[steady flame]

Or, weirdly, we may try the amendment

We couldn't play for months due to hardware issues, so we barely have anything, and it fucking sucks.

The Amendment is a funny boi.

[rotund marten]

I find I need to take shots where the censor's velocity is noticeable maybe once a mission, it doesn't come up much

[steady flame]

Don’t know. We’ve basically just been running either DE sickle, coyote, or lib-pen the entire time we’ve been on cyberstan

[rotund marten]

I need to give the Amendment a go

How has the coyote done against cyborgs?

[steady flame]

Hey it’s semi/3 round burst, gets more damage than the diligence, and has a bayonet

Could be fun

The Amendment is a bit of a blend of both the R-63 and R-63CS, but adds a 3r burst and bayonet on top of it.

Pretty good from what we remember

Misc | Naval RA-chitect ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) How has the coyote done against cyborgs?

I can see it working wlel.

I do wish we could take off the sight though.

Ope hey Cassie. Didn’t see you join our game

Yeee, sneaky derg. :3

Very

Ngl we quite like the outfit we’ve got going on

[cobalt patrol]

Napalm Eat.

[oblique lotus]

On cyberstan stuff clusters enough that their ability to delete groups is actually pretty good

[steady flame]

Yeah, Mountain-Scaled armour + Honorary Guard helmet goes hard.

[oblique lotus]

so you napalm the group then mop up the hulks with normal EAT

[steady flame]

Why thank you. We originally had it with the A-35 helmet but didn’t like the vibes

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Yeah, Mountain-Scaled armour + Honorary Guard helmet goes hard.

Yeahhh I can see how it'd clash with the Recon helmet.

[naive hawk]

i find that using the laser foregrips for long shots is usually good enough

the real struggle was when i got kidnapped to a squid mission and tried shooting down the snitches

[steady flame]

..Oh no, the Epoch is an explosive weapon, isn't it?

[ivory swallow]

Hackers (like actual irl hackers not fictional bots) seem to have fucked with the major order and strategic order

[winter shuttle]

oh ?

how so

[steady flame]

Fuck of course we crash right at extract

And not giving us the option to rejoin the squad

🫂

I can invite yuuu. :3

Ope ty

[ivory swallow]

Possibly autocompleted the bug order and got us to like 50% on the MO

[winter shuttle]

PFFFFFFFFFFF

[steady flame]

Up to you if you want to stick with the randoms Josie

Randoms are alright.

[steady flame]

Alright the amendment is actually putting in good work

One taps most infantry and can 1-2 shot devastators to the head

Doesn't mesh with me, but I'm glad it works for you.

We just need to learn to aim better

Fair enough

Josie | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Doesn't mesh with me, but I'm glad it works for you.

[winter shuttle]

i see what you mean

[steady flame]

Hmm, yeah was wondering why the bug MO was gone but we hadn’t gotten a notification for it

[steady flame]

Also something very strange is going on. We keep shooting up to 250 medals and our xp gain is massive

Hmm

[spare verge]

hacked lobbies, maybe?

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge Smoek grenades are good saving my teamates buts with them. inclduing things like using smokes to make a corridor so our hellbomber could get into the jammer

Currently futzing around with bringing Eagle Strafe, which i think might actualyl be worth even with the aa?

[stone bridge]

[cobalt patrol]

Though i dropped OSS - with supply pack, it's somewhat redudant because you get 3 smokes on a reload and start with 5

so you know

i have so many more smokes on command

[stone bridge]

I've heard Strafe actually fucks up Vox Engines but my experience with it has not been great in cities - maybe there's less AA in the Class 2s or something

[cobalt patrol]

It does fuck em up, it seems to do a lot of damage if it hits the command pod

Theior's still al ot of aa, but you can spot it defcnetly easily, and Epoch/Quasar are one shots on it

and if yo udo the diable defences side obj

all aa shuts off

[stone bridge]

[steady flame]

Maybe yeah

Cynnamagus ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) hacked lobbies, maybe?

[idle hollow]

BUMPIN

tech my beloved

[dusty spruce]

oh, guessing there were a sizeable amount of people just popping between eradicates/easier missions to get quick full extracts

[weary granite]

Bruh I tried to mod my HD2 and now I can't get it to run even without mods.

Last time I mod this game. :]

[pastel igloo]

always a fun one

doing sc farm cause i want new guns and yeah this is why i stopped playing holy shit

games fun as hell though

[dusty spruce]

Ok so they reset the MO stuff to before the hacking but not the reinforcements so the gap there has widened. Hopefully the SO being completed within a day or so should give some better margins

Though the MO being changed also lost around ~15% of the calculated end result

[delicate aspen]

whats kinda funny is we have zero progress on any of the other megafactories cause players are all spread so any prog is immediately undone

[graceful bluff]

Still can't decide if I wanna grab the double freedom

[dusty spruce]

mhm, don't think it'll progress again until the SO ends and/or Arrowhead closes off Solidaritet. People will keep trying to take the Class 1 until it's removed, even if Arrowhead actually explained the mechanics of this in game instead of locking it away behind discord messages

[normal juniper]

Do you like the idea of being able to blast a medium enemy straight to hell in one twin shot?

[graceful bluff]

https://youtu.be/1YA9-TCXVqw

[strange vine]

omg

[graceful bluff]

There's also hell march(both versions) but I feel like this fits it better

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone looking to play atm?

[graceful bluff]

making dinner but like in an hour sure

[keen zinc]

Yes this gives me time

[rotund marten]

sure, I could dive

[keen zinc]

Alright I will get outta bed

Raaaah

[idle hollow]

nah you know what fits best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4saQchkrsM0

anything from yuri's revenge

THE PRODUCT OF A TORTURED BRAIN

YOUR FEELING OF HELPLESSNESS IS YOUR BEST FRIEND SAVAGE

CREATION OF THE HUMANOIDS - POWER TO OVERWHELM AND DESTROY

[steady flame]

What's not explained in game? /gen
(We're not in the HD2 Discord so we're not quite sure what you're talking about.)

GunmanRex ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) mhm, don't think it'll progress again until the SO ends and/or Arrowhead closes off Solidaritet. Peo…

[graceful bluff]

oh boy, do be careful when sc farming, there's hackers about spawning super credits

[dusty spruce]

The order of Megafactories (1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4/Capital) especially. Essentially, we're supposed to take one Megafactory, and then move on to one of the two it unlocks. The only 'grand objective' is to reach the Class 4 Megafactory of Transcendence by taking a Class 1 (which for us has been Autonomy), then a Class 2 (now either Lurza or Omniparitus), then one of the Class 3s, which will unlock the Capital.
Basically, there is not a point under the current setup to dive Solidaritet, since all it would do is unlock more Class 2s.
This is... not well explained in game. And thus you have 14k people in Solidaritet that isn't really helping the progression on Cyberstan.

It's another case where AH lacks in some of the meta mechanics. The dispatches aren't even terribly helpful, since I question the number of people who even look.

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1r39yi9/its_him_its_cyber_stan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[knotty folio]

Went hive world diving last night so a friend could try Hivelord hunting, the Bastion is surprisingly good in caves

Didn't go super deep since we didn't have that much time after killing the Hivelord, but in the parts we did explore the limited angles of approach plus its ability to run over swarms were quite effective

Also apparently you can just find exosuits lying around on hive worlds now?

[blissful sparrow]

I actually just managed to get into the game for the first time since cyberstan release and i read your complaint here earlier, and i can only say:
No.
It is exceptionally clear ingame that it tells you the goal is to reach the Mega factory and the arrows could not make it more obvious that they point to the next cities. It is very clearly communicated how it works

[tight zephyr]

These new bubble shield grenades rule.

Just enough of a breather to reload and heal if you really find yourself pressed.

[knotty folio]

I really don't like how they throw

I keep wanting to throw them ahead of me but they just pop immediately

[keen zinc]

@shrewd tiger

[delicate aspen]

@shrewd tiger

[shrewd tiger]

There were no light on my screen

[tight zephyr]

If I’m using one, I want it on me right away, so the way they work is exactly what I want out of them.

[dusty spruce]

They don’t always appear, they don’t even look like the ones I get. The lights in the video are a lot wider than the smallish circles I get

[graceful bluff]

Sometimes it spawns underground, it's incredibly buggy atm

https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/10987

I recommend this at least until they fix it

[keen zinc]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Outsider

[keen zinc]

one HELL of an updraft

[dusty spruce]

Abducted

[keen zinc]

all my clips today are just Death getting totally owned by the fickle forces of war

[rotund marten]

orbital laser

[glacial light]

Sometimes that's me

Someone throws a laser off to the side then it just beelines to a random lonely chaff and I end up toasted cause I saw a split second of laser behind me on my screen then death

[keen zinc]

they need to give us orbital arc strike so we can pretend we're skaven with warp lightning

[delicate aspen]

@keen zinc

[glacial light]

Shouldn't have snorted that line of warpstone during takeoff

[steady flame]

I wonder if we'll see Maxigun buffs.

[strange vine]

The only buff i think it should have is increase the ammo count to 1000

[dusty spruce]

Yes, please. I need my full arc set.

[keen zinc]

Both backpack weapons need ammo increases tbh

100 rounds in the AGL is really low

Double it

[glacial light]

It's funny that the regular MG with its 3 spare mags has 700 rounds total

[delicate aspen]

im finding it hard to tear myself off the HMG with bots, purely because its good at just dunking heavy armour and mortar/AA emplacements, no idea what i could duck it with

[trim breach]

Or increase the damage enough so that 100 feels reasonable

Because honestly it just seems not worth it compared to the normal GL and that you only get 40

[keen zinc]

idk i have fun with it, its not bad, but it definitely runs out about halfway to being worth it

[royal lantern]

If I remember correctly someone did the numbers and the backpack GL has about 15% less total damage in it's ammunition than the non-backpack GL and roughly the same DPS uptime even with the reloading

And that's without the regular GL being able to bring the supply pack for additional ammo (and grenade and stims and ammo for your other weapons) or any other backpack strat

[keen zinc]

i just dont like the supply pack

[unreal merlin]

yeah the regular GL is just statted better than the backpack GL. I haven't used it much but the backpack's niche of not having to reload IS USEFUL though

sometimes the situation is so chaotic you need to just lob 50 grenades without stopping

[royal lantern]

Oh absolutely, it's insanely satisfying to use too

[stone bridge]

chukchukchukchukchukchukchuk

It's very fun but I do wish it was better

[royal lantern]

If they bumped up either the ammo or damage a fair bit, or both a little bit, it would definitely be my go to strat weapon

I love using a heavy bolter in Helldivers

[strange vine]

They really need to revert the buff to the GL, it really didnt need it and the belt fed having heavy AP in exchange for smaller damage and aoe wouldve been an okay tradeoff

[unreal merlin]

I do think the buff was uncalled-for

I understand the idea of the backpack version being less damage because you can easily rationalize "smaller grenades = more grenades = each is less explosive"

[glacial light]

Yea I don't think GL launcher needed a buff

I was surprised to see it originally

[royal lantern]

Yeah the GL was already one of the better support weapons, now it feels like it kind of steps on the autocannons toes

Even factoring in the autocannon not having the arcing projectiles

[knotty folio]

I do hope they keep the buffed grenades on the GL Battlement

[royal lantern]

Oh definitely

That's a strat that needed some help and a half

[knotty folio]

What it really needs is to not kill you when the far end of the battlement gets tickled by a charger, I think it's the only emplacement or vehicle in the game that does that?

[odd arch]

every time there's a cool MO I'm not home for its entire duration

I'm too powerful to be let loose on the field

[dusty spruce]

Don't worry too much, I do think Cyberstand will be here for a while yet
unless you're gonna be gone into next week as well

I have been punished for being a doubter once again, AH is helping steer more people towards Omniparitus

[knotty folio]

I will be very amused if they let us get close to taking Cyberstan then have an Illuminate fleet pop out of the new black hole

[delicate aspen]

iirc the new blackhole was made from bug super oil or something, rather than weaponised from illuminate

[glacial light]

Some other stats that need help, railcannon and eagle rockets

[knotty folio]

For Railcannon it would be nice if it just had enough damage to 1shot superheavies on bot and squid fronts

It's fine on bug front IMO

[delicate aspen]

i still dream of a belt-fed autocannon

[knotty folio]

Though if I had free reign on changes I would give Railcannon two charges, with it reloading one charge on the current cooldown

I suspect they'll keep charges limited to Eagles though to keep their uniqueness

[glacial light]

I would want a laser eagle, basically it flies over an area slower than usual and just disco ball fires small lasers everywhere in its path

Or gunships stratagems

Weaker overall but circles an area for a certain amount of time or ammo used

[dusty spruce]

I don't think they'll really buff the railcannon strike. They seem really hesitant to let it return to it's old position from 1 has the go-to bread-and-butter strat, shamefully that has basically relegated it to seemingly never showing up expect for special events.

[glacial light]

It definitely got power crept by other stratagems

[blissful sparrow]

the biggest railcannon struggle for me is just that by the time it fires, whatever i wanted it to kill is already dead

[dusty spruce]

I think it's current time would be... ok if it would just instant kill anything and everything it hit. It not being able to one-tap Vox Engines is... rather rough.

[glacial light]

180s is pretty rough

[knotty folio]

Dogs and Leviathans too

[dark plover]

Are you running it on Cyberstan? I was enjoying it on standard bot planets, but every attempt on Stan has led to quickly being overwhelmed.

[knotty folio]

180s wouldn't be bad if it were a guaranteed problem-remover, but it's ... not

[dusty spruce]

Oh god yeah I entirely forgot it's on a 3 minute timer. At least in 1 it's un-upgraded time was 2min, with max lvl being 60s.

[blissful sparrow]

World In Conflict Air-to-Air call in, wiping out anything flying in an area

[dusty spruce]

I was thinking of it being 120s, 180s is way too long for anything it does

[blissful sparrow]

world in conflict in general had some juicy off map support abilities that can be raided.
Chief among them a paratrooper call in. I want to drop in seaf like a turret

[knotty folio]

It's fine on the bug front, you toss it in a flex slot if your team is light on BT clear

[knotty folio]

Deployable SEAF would be great

[dark plover]

NPC stratagems would open so many possibilities

[knotty folio]

A Pelican call in could be fun, have it come in and circle a few times

[blissful sparrow]

SEAF controlled Walker

[delicate aspen]

yeah, pretty much exclusively, if i see a hulk or whatever i feel ill whip it out then switch back to censor or supressor

[dark plover]

Guess I need to step up my skirmishing game!

[knotty folio]

Harpoon was a ton of fun in hulk surge city

[delicate aspen]

its good at single or burst bire into the eyes of hulks, still need to magdump the crotch of war striders

[knotty folio]

Bastion variant that comes with SEAF in the turret and jump seats

[lethal delta]

TBH, I don't mind the railcannon not killing everything with one tap, the superheavys surviving with a sliver of health is fine by me

But right now it takes two to kill a vox engine

It feels so

Weak

[dusty spruce]

I mean, I get it not killing a Factory Striker, but you're telling me a huge shell falling on a big vertical thing (right into the cockpit, as well) isn't turning the cyborg inside the Vox Engine into very chunky Jello?

[knotty folio]

AIUI it deals enough damage it just doesn't target the sarcophagus

[steady flame]

Yeah we’ve had it sometimes one shot vox engines by coming in at a low enough angle

[lethal delta]

Which one is this icon?

[keen zinc]

ODST innit?

[steady flame]

Ye

[lethal delta]

Ty

[lethal delta]

The amount of people who don't realize that every time you restart a flag you get a new botdrop is driving me wild

[warped cradle]

The stratagem filtering strikes again

[delicate aspen]

we're finally making a dent in Omniparitus

[warped cradle]

Hope we can get back some of our reinforcement budget soon or we'll only get halfway through before we run out

[unreal merlin]

The bug MO is gonna finish well before the cutoff and get more reinforcements

[dusty spruce]

I assume this pattern will continue, with us constantly staving off the depletion of reinforcements with the help of side missions

[warped cradle]

We're cooked the moment they issue an illuminate strategic opportunity

[graceful bluff]

they always give side objectives to bug lifers when it's not bugs

[dark plover]

It's pretty smart to give orders for an alt faction during extended single-faction campaigns like this. Gives even bot players some variety while still contributing.

[graceful bluff]

It's also important because there's a lot of people that just play this game like it's starship troopers

just entirely ignoring non bug planets

[stone bridge]

people have preferences I guess

[tame parcel]

When we are we getting concertina wire deployers? (It ain’t happening.)

[cobalt patrol]

Barbed wire across all the space lanes to Terminid space.

that'll teahc the bug divers

[keen zinc]

It'd have to cover a very wide area to be a viable strat, to be effective, and then it's a hazard as the enemy tends to try to drive you into dislodging from static defense

[cobalt patrol]

Which is why we string it across vast quanities of space!

[keen zinc]

Imagine you put down your battlements and barbed wire then the breach/drop goes off behind you

We're airborne, trench warfare ain't our strong suit (unless we get a trench warfare warbond)

[cobalt patrol]

I would def enjoy cyberstand more if there was less random bouncing of callin balls

and less bugs.

like invisbile lava.

[tame parcel]

Yeah, we have land mine deployers that do a good enough job.

[cobalt patrol]

or misisons becoming soft locked because osmeone got ragdolled

"Let me go in solo"
Okay!
proceeds tro 380 the lz, exploding me as i'm calling it in

[cobalt patrol]

So, smoke grenades on cyberstan with stealt harmor are competley and utterly cracked

[rotund marten]

yeah, I gave them a go afterwards and managed to solo diff 10 destroy cyborg factory

[dusty spruce]

for the eradicate missions on HD1 the old meta was the barbed wire strat and AT emplacements, and also normally one dude crammed in the corner with the infinite med beam cannon

Non-zero chance one comes, even if it doesn't end up as meta

We've got 2/3 parts of the pack so far

it instakilled basic bug scouts and slowed down everything else fleshy to static field speeds + some chip damage

[oblique lotus]

you could spam mines instead of the AP barrier

[delicate aspen]

so, AH totally didnt playtest the vox cause, what do you mean

[azure rock]

Do you think the laser shotgun is gonna get nerfed because i might get the warbond solely for that alone

[oblique lotus]

I don't think arrowhead has the courage to nerf anything anymore

[burnt vapor]

Directional Shield Pack my beloved, you were done so bad in HD2

[azure rock]

awesome

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtLgUlXgRo8

[delicate aspen]

jesus wept

[warped cradle]

It's so peak

[graceful bluff]

They really need to limit how far the vox body can rotate

Just so it can't block its own back vent hole with its torso model

[keen zinc]

Good morning <@&1206091872716595200> my dog has woke me up at 2 AM and I'm going to make it the bot's problem

[keen zinc]

heavy armor surge war striders helldive on cyberstan, spread democracy

might actually be impossible

[keen zinc]

we got close, finished one at least

[odd arch]

if bots get the juggernaut, when are we getting an armored core

[cobalt patrol]

There's a vote up to offline the DSS for 12 hours but sscore ourselves anotehr 35 mil reinforcements in return

[keen zinc]

yeah ive quickjoined helldives twice now into warstrider constellations on raise flag missions and its impossible

i swear Agitators know when you're about to fire an ulti or leveller and will time their shot to flinch you into hitting the ground

[cobalt patrol]

"We just forgot about 35 million people"

[cobalt patrol]

I susepct it's not impossible, but you need a really on the ball team, and bringing stuff like lots of smoke grenades, bubble shields (the strat), bringing RRs and stuff like that

aka, pretty non standard to the current Cyberrstan meta

[keen zinc]

ezactly

everyone has Vox answers but not the 90 million war striders

[cobalt patrol]

Something i'm getting pretty fond of right now as a combo is Eagle Strafe + Gattling

[idle hollow]

wow the ultimatum has no range at all

[cobalt patrol]

I'd probably say Eagle Strafe/OPS but the OPS cooldown is like.. 30s too long

[keen zinc]

its a PIAT

spring loaded

[verbal summit]

Honestly since war striders have been added to the game ive been liking the bots less and less

[cobalt patrol]

Main thing is learn to dive when firing it

as it inherits your momentum

And generally, aim up.

You're not wrong on it having no range

[odd arch]

jetpack launch for the RPG at home

[keen zinc]

its just wild to me they add enemies with much better mechanics after them so its like

its not like they forgot

[verbal summit]

Yeah

[keen zinc]

either give them weak spots like the Vox or ablative panels like the cyborgs

[odd arch]

port a B-team joke from some other game

idk enough B-team jokes to riff them

the janitor's passion project

[stone bridge]

a spigot mortar, to be exact

[idle hollow]

im happy to at least see berserkers again

[keen zinc]

i think we should spigot more tar!

[stone bridge]

i agree

[odd arch]

speaking of enemies designed by the janitor

while it's excellent that dragonroaches finally got their wing destruction, it's a bit sad they don't have a greatly weakened grounded form

and just fall 5 meters and explode on impact

[spare verge]

war striders have heavy armor and big guns and grenade launchers to flush you out so I feel like they need more of a weakness offensively or defensively

at the moment I think the bots would win the war if they made nothing but war striders

[keen zinc]

they just need their "weakspots" be actual weakspots

[idle hollow]

strat ball bounce is so fucking bad rn

hellbomb backpack ❤️

50 kills from a single bot drop

[keen zinc]

highest ive gotten in this campaign is 72

[idle hollow]

highest i've ever gotten is like

110

on bugs

[cobalt patrol]

I am a cyberstan god.

(It wasd an extermiante, but hells, it counts)

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> need 2 more

[cobalt patrol]

It both amsues me and i approve that hte difference between male and female cyhborgs is mainly their haircut

[dusty spruce]

lmao, w40k Munitorum type mistake 'whoopsie spreadsheet error 35 million left in stasis'

[tight zephyr]

Super Earth when they forget where they put 35 million Helldivers:

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[weary granite]

Ayo what the fuck is that one at the bottom

[cobalt patrol]

Why is "Please don't 380 your own team" something i have ot keep on saying

why

[keen zinc]

War

[dusty spruce]

the 380s hunger

also I swear, they have two AIs for the cyborg Radicals. Most just zerg right at Helldivers through the open, and then you have the commando squad with stealth training who start unleashing combos to shatter my spine in 12 places

[keen zinc]

Another 35 million divers to the grinders

[idle hollow]

i think radicals have some akuma dna in there]

https://tenor.com/view/eleazar-qumica-chemistry-signature-gif-25658908

[cobalt patrol]

For cdomedy, right after that i inteitonally 380'd my own team.

...to be fair to me, i joined hte match, landed ontop fo 3 vox engines and the two level 40s trying to fight these, and went "hmm, this is a terrible idea" and dropped the 380

it cost us 3 helldivers, but it worked to clear the engines!

[tight zephyr]

Huh. What is it good for?

[tame parcel]

Super Earth.

[tight zephyr]

Exactly, now get in the pod.

[tame parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/rindou-lindow-amamiya-god-eater-anime-gif-16150122

[tame parcel]

The Joke is Bugdiver with the Defoliation Tool.

[keen zinc]

you're right, the defoliation tool IS a joke

https://klipy.com/gifs/laugh-laughing-160

[tame parcel]

I know it is, I just like chainsaws.

[oblique lotus]

It is a weakspot