Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[keen zinc]

yeah, the vox rockets are a lot less annoying than the grenade salvos

even though theyre deadly, they at least show where theyre gonna land and also dont linger and scatter

[marble talon]

me when bot drop and there's a factory strider and like 10 hulks

[oblique lotus]

fac striders you can shoot off the miniguns with whatever and the turret with AT and then tehy're basically harmless

or oneshot with leveller/solo silo/etc

have yet to find a solution to vox engines that I like

[knotty folio]

I like factory striders because- yeah that, if you don't have AT you can take off their teeth but you need AT or a fair amount of time shooting their belly to actually fully remove them

[oblique lotus]

you can senator off the miniguns with a cylinder per and then they're a lot easier to work around but you don't appear to be able to take the arm guns off easily

[knotty folio]

So even when deteethed they're putting a lighter amount of pressure on with the cannon and spawns

Are the Vox Engine guns all heavy pen? Or are the gatlings med armor like the Factory Strider's gatlings?

[oblique lotus]

gatlings are medium

senator gets red hitmarkers so medium

[knotty folio]

Good, gives lots of options for dealing with 'em

Though admittedly the one I use will probably be Eruptor shrapnel like always :P

[steady flame]

Can someone brief me on the Vox Engine weak points?

[oblique lotus]

uh

[steady flame]

Is it just vents?

[oblique lotus]

there's a bunch of glowy vents on the back that do something and you can shoot off the gatlings

[steady flame]

Okay. So, mostly just RR them to death?

[delicate aspen]

thats a lotta divers

[knotty folio]

Reportedly if you pop the three top or bottom weak spots a vent will open, a grenade in the vent kills the Vox Enginr

[delicate aspen]

if anyones down to shoot bots gimme a shout, public lobbies are a mixed bag rn

[knotty folio]

Alas, work ;_;

Just hoping there're still reinforcements left by the time I get home

[oblique lotus]

these are pretty rough

multiple vox engine spawns are hard to deal with

[rotund marten]

if you shoot the three upper or three lower vents on the back it opens a hatch

either on the top or on the small of the back

nade goes in there, vox engine dies

which at least means you can kill them with nades and light pen

they are real bastards on high diff though

[oblique lotus]

yeah but actually doing that while getting shot by all and sundry and also then a second vox engine spawns

or a fourth

[rotund marten]

you're fighting a wave and you get rocketed from downtown

since the rockets seem to target basically everyone

[oblique lotus]

if it was factory strider spawn rates that'd be one thing but there are so many of them

[supple siren]

What difficulty?

[oblique lotus]

8

[rotund marten]

stealth is very difficult too because there's just shit everywhere

I think sneaky armour is a good investment though

limits the amount of the factory aggroed at any given time

[dusty spruce]

Seems sentries aren’t as useful here. The cyborgs are real good at tossing those smokes to disable them

[iron path]

How are we feeling on the March

[dusty spruce]

Honestly I enjoy this so far. Vox Engines don’t feel as oppressive as Hive Lords

[rotund marten]

it's fun

I think my usual roaming stealth tactics need to be replaced by running in a group with a quasar or similar though

there's just shit everywhere

especially random AA/mortar turrets and spawners

[iron path]

I won't be able to get on today, but I'm ready to roam tomorrow

[rotund marten]

you run out of handheld AT quick

[graceful bluff]

Mortars ignore smoke entirely

[idle hollow]

you can shoot the fuck out of the capsule where the pilot lives up top (with the three glowy visor bits)

that works too

the best method is to get in close, shoot out all the lower vents, then throw a grenade in the hatch that opens up on the rear when that's done

[graceful bluff]

How does the vox deal with a leveller/solo silo hit

[delicate aspen]

i've never noticed the vents that open up sicne by the time a vox shows up im already being mulched by a billion other things and its frantic af

[delicate aspen]

takes 2 iirc

[weary granite]

Had a short mission, faced Cyborgs. One of them gave me the ass kick as it flying kneed my head and then roundhouse kicked me so hard my head exploded.

Nice.

[ionic holly]

Does the heavy armour one's armour break away or is it just kinda "fuck you have heavy pen"?

[delicate aspen]

the martial arts cyborgs are a nice touch, you'll just see them sprinting full beans at you or the nearest helldiver with a roundhouse

[dusty spruce]

If you mean the borgs, it breaks. I recommend the Purifier if it have it

Two charged shots will kill both borgs

[ionic holly]

I meant the cyborgs yeah, and i don't really wanna run the purifier i was just hoping it was akin to overseer armour

[dusty spruce]

It is. Just not certain of the thresholds for it

[ionic holly]

I intend to bring a minigun
im hitting the thresholds /lh

[keen zinc]

the new units are super well balanced

they dont suffer from any of the gripes of the war strider

[dusty spruce]

What, don’t you like mass explosions? /s

I think my major gripe with the vox engine is I do wish it moved a little slower.
Really nice mechanics with shooting the vents with even light pen, sorta ruined by the thing swiveling so fast it’s hard to do that without sacrificing someone as the bullet sponge

Running under the thing and sticking a thermite to its undercarriage is a hell of a feeling, tho

[lethal delta]

I think the missiles from above are a pain in the ass, but other than that, I enjoy it

[dusty spruce]

I wonder if the thing where it keeps shooting after ‘dying’ but before the big explosion goes of is a bug or intended

[lethal delta]

I interpreted it as a very cinematic intended

[dusty spruce]

Ye, sorta thought so as well

[keen zinc]

i like it a lot more than the grenade volleys

[weary granite]

I am suddenly reminded of that one meme of the War Strider hurling a shite ton of bricks at you.

[knotty folio]

What happens if you destroy all the weapons on a Vox Engine without killing it? Can it do anything?

[ionic holly]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1231197788319256638/1394756757066354811/rapidsave.com_n6vx45e352df1.gif?=

[knotty folio]

I hope someday they fix the barrage tank's missiles

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> cyber war now

need 1 more

[south temple]

i like that they’re telegraphed somewhat with the lights on the ground

[strange vine]

its light ablative armor like overseers

[oblique lotus]

my god the bots and squids are collaborating

[south temple]

the bots are learning how to climb

[supple siren]

that's so ominous

[south temple]

absolutely horrifying scenario

i couldn't hit the vents because it kept looking at me

[strange vine]

my friends and i had to deal with two of them on top of a building during a raise the flag

[south temple]

💀

[dusty spruce]

The Epoch can reliably kill the Vox simply because it looks like a single AT shot to the crotch vent is an instant or near instant kill

[keen zinc]

automatons coming up new and interesting ways of urban armored warfare

[harsh kayak]

Suboptimal

[dusty spruce]

The funniest thing is seeing those Vox Machines cram through those sewer pipes

[dusty spruce]

I can’t believe I only just realized killing the Agitators stuns nearby automatons

[keen zinc]

@shrewd tiger you want in

[harsh kayak]

How come

[ionic holly]

I thought i saw bots getting stunned after i killed one, that's cool actually

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1r17z77/oc_sums_up_my_first_drop_onto_d10_cyberstan_flag

[strange vine]

they buff the nearby bots

[glacial light]

Bold of them to assume helldivers think

We just go where the enemy is

[tight zephyr]

I'm really enjoying the breaching hammer on Cyberstan.

[graceful bluff]

By PT_CROW on the shitty bird site

[oblique lotus]

I am not a huge fan of the hammer

it has the melee problem that you acutally need to get to range

[tame parcel]

Yes, however...

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-sledge-hammer-breaching-hammer-explode-gif-12301175362864170239

[graceful bluff]

It's also incredible with the warp pack

and jetpack

[glacial light]

Jetpack hammer feels great though

Nothing feels better than like flying into a bile titan head and exploding it

[graceful bluff]

I want to be able to activate the jetpack during a dive to superman forward

[glacial light]

Or if youre real bold factory strider head

[rotund marten]

I haven't even noticed the attacks from the squad leader cyborgs but the shotguns on the martial artists are really goddamn mean

[graceful bluff]

I do really enjoy the eruptor on the armor cyborgs though

they just turn into a dust cloud

[glacial light]

Eruptor stays winning on the bot front

Unfortunately im too warp pack pilled, love when an enemy is about to close in for melee then im like sike teleport 10 feet away and shoot you with eruptor

It was fun with berserkers but also fun with cyborgs too

[graceful bluff]

I really want the supershorty eruptor that people have fanarted though

[glacial light]

I haven't seen that, do you have the post

[graceful bluff]

Uh it was ages ago now, but it was basically a bolt pistol

[glacial light]

A bolt pistol varirant of eruptor would be so good

[glacial light]

Beautiful

[graceful bluff]

Guaranteed to break your wrist

[rotund marten]

I think I might give MMG + jump pack a go

[glacial light]

Dominator looks great but Eruptor feels more like a bolter weapon to me despite the projectile being quite slow

[ionic holly]

Honestly the hammer just makes me want a backpack that's basically just a shoulder tackle

Just strap a jet to my back and let me fuckin

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-league-overwatch-gladiators-la-gladiators-los-angeles-gladiators-gif-13486434

[glacial light]

Imagine

[glacial light]

Jetpack but its only horizontal for dashing sideways and forward charges

[ionic holly]

YEAH

[graceful bluff]

EAT-411 "Only a spoonfull"

[ionic holly]

God, yes, please

i would kill for that so bad

i know most folk would go "this is just the warp pack but worse" i DONT CARE it will be my go to backpack

mind you i've always found jets/high speed maneuvers way cooler than teleportation

[glacial light]

Im the biggest warp pack stan but a dodgepack that specializes on defensive is distinct

Warp pack is like a jack of all trades, can telefrag into enemies offensively, good defensive avoidance, utility of teleporting past obstacles/terrain

[knotty folio]

A dodge-pack that just gives you a brief impulse in the direction you're holding would be so much fun

Shorter cd, but short enough range to be significantly worse than warp/jet pack

Maybe have charges?

[ionic holly]

This is fair, i would still love a dodge pack either way

[glacial light]

Yea especially if its more spammable it would feel great playing like discount armored core in hd2

[ionic holly]

This was my thought actually

2 charges with individual cooldowns

[glacial light]

Fuel gauge would make sense to me too, slowly refuels over time and wont blow up on you like warp pack

[graceful bluff]

Just full on AC dodges

[glacial light]

Lot of room to implement dodgepack without stepping on warp pack's niche

[ionic holly]

I'd be down for it even if the list of non- backpack support weapons i like is

very short

[tame parcel]

Also on the front of melee being not as good., I at least love having the option and the lore on there being melee weapons other than swords and knives.

[glacial light]

Imagine like a rocket lance and you can quick toggle to turn on the rocket and it propels you forward

[ionic holly]

LANCE LANCE LANCE

[glacial light]

How well you can control it is another thing

[ionic holly]

if you don't impact something you ragdoll after a bit /lh

[glacial light]

I want a lance so as a passenger on the FRV you could joust enemies

[tame parcel]

The shield but very big and 2 handed.

(This does not need to exist.)

[spare verge]

ideal helldiver weaponry https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423846597376086026/1470975073916682458/Rhitahtyn_sas_Arvina_from_FFXIV_promo_render.webp?ex=698d3fcb&is=698bee4b&hm=59654f6f90fcd8f2b6007a91b321e53ad37aa96a0e8f6129418d208db7b8bafb&

give me a shield with a gun on it

a gunshield, if you will

[spare verge]

in seriousness, with how fun the directional shield is I could see a pavise working

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/2qDtQeb0tl

[tame parcel]

I don't know what category it would stick in, considering there's the energy shield you can hold that's already wider than the physical shield.

[keen zinc]

They are so much cooler than us

[graceful bluff]

Give me the durga knee gun so I can fuck up those martial artist cyborgs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjk5nnyTm7s

[tame parcel]

Now am just imagining Martial Arts Helldivers going all Wuxia on their enemies.

[tame parcel]

That's pretty cool.

[graceful bluff]

My life for an anarchy reigns pc port with modernizations

[tame parcel]

Oh, that's where that guy that shows up when you search for pile bunker gifs comes from.

[graceful bluff]

yeah

Also has a goated ost

[tame parcel]

Oh, they got the chainsaw guy from MadWorld.

This is a bit off topic.

[glacial light]

You can tell these are the real automatons cause they got an aura farming animation when they die

Also they dont mindlessly march to death

[keen zinc]

theyre so cool..

[glacial light]

I do love the idea that with all the fanfare about marching to the capital and the whole creek and stuff, we're just now really fighting the automatons

And before now we were just fighting chaff

[cobalt patrol]

Okay the cyborgs are hella fun

[glacial light]

I think itd be neat if they made them take cover use more advanced tactics

Units with actual self preservation would be sick

[spare verge]

I feel like if the automatons could aim and take cover as well as helldivers we'd never win a single mission

[glacial light]

Ive only done like 2 missions but Cyborgs feel smarter

[spare verge]

(read: if they were not video game enemies)

[graceful bluff]

They are smarter

And they also make automatons near them smarter

[glacial light]

Well some video games have that

[tame parcel]

Ya' think we're gonna get events somewhat like this against the other factions?

[glacial light]

Like Payday 2 some chaff enemies take cover

[spare verge]

do you think it's illuminate's turn to get more enemies next or was that the super earth invasion

[glacial light]

I hope so they have like 7 units they actually use in normal missions

[graceful bluff]

I kinda hope squids are next cause they're a bit lacking in enemy choice

[oblique lotus]

leveller is........interesting

it's a good demo tool but it just does not kill vox engines

[graceful bluff]

It does if you hit the right spot

[cobalt patrol]

Almsot certianly 🙂

[graceful bluff]

behind/top of their head

[cobalt patrol]

It smooshed the one i fired it at

[spare verge]

I wonder if they'll start building mega factories on other bot planets so they didn't make all those assets solely for the duration of this event

[cobalt patrol]

Also the censor works great into Cyborgs

drops the unanmored guysi na single rather gory headshot

[spare verge]

I have a feeling they never want to do something like the TCS again, where it's a cool map structure, gone forever after its storyline is over

[oblique lotus]

I mean they could always bring it back with termicide 2

[spare verge]

this time for sure

[oblique lotus]

also we're going to finish this major order in like another 20 minutes

aww

no cool merak bombardment fx

[glacial light]

Termicide 2: Termicider

Or consider, Termintide.

[keen zinc]

it doesnt one-shot them but it does significantly damage them and make them die to basically any follow-up AT

which vastly cuts down the time to kill if facing multiple

[graceful bluff]

yeah it's like one or two epoch shots after a failed oneshot leveller

[keen zinc]

the only things that deals enough damage to feel efficient against them are levellers, solo silos, railgun strikes, and hellbombs

to really burn down their health or kill them outright

and if they live, follow ups with ligher AT like quasars, eats, strikes or bombs

[graceful bluff]

Leveller, Solo Silo, EAT, flex, is genuinely a great setup

Just pepper the map with surprise tools that'll help you later

[undone veldt]

I fucking love the automaton and cyborg relationship

I love how they came back to the galaxy to save and avenge their creators

How they genuinely love them

[tame parcel]

Who made who exactly? I am not deep into the lore.

[undone veldt]

Cyborgs made the automaton

They were their final creation before super earth re-enslaved them

They sent them out of the galaxy to be safe from super earth

They returned now to avenge and save their creator

[tame parcel]

So the Cyborgs got enslaved by Super Earth and sent the Automatons out of the galaxy to keep them safe, ok.

Also the whole Galaxy?

[undone veldt]

At least all of the galaxy super earth owns

[tame parcel]

I don't know the size of the SE empire and the technology that allows them to travel far distances in space.

[cobalt patrol]

sigh People need to stop getting in sustained fireights on the factory planets

hit and run folks, hit and run

play like insurgents

[graceful bluff]

Yeah

smoke pods are incredible here too

[steady flame]

Well this is officially the worst start to a mission

Spawned in jammer range and two of us accidentally dropped into the big grinder things that litter cyberstan

[graceful bluff]

Smh donated biomatter to the enemy

[dusty spruce]

This really brings me back to the automatons at the start of the war. Just gotta keep fighting, keep moving. Sticking around is asking for another Vox to come wheeling out of nowhere

[ionic holly]

I've been making a pile of their pilots at this rate

even if i dont carry my spear anymore im still happy to hunt down super heavies

[dark plover]

Punisher Plasma is awesome on Cyberstan- explodes all the tightly clustered units and chunks Radicals

[keen zinc]

https://klipy.com/gifs/immortan-joe-mad-max

DO NOT BECOME ADDICTED TO YOUR EQUIPMENT

LEST YOU GROW TO RESENT ITS ABSENCE

[graceful bluff]

I simply choose low cooldown equipment so there's always equipment near me

https://youtu.be/tpS43eNa_sk

Found this video and while you don't have to do full stealth, it does show good disengagement tactics with smoke

genuinely smoke insertion might be in my new top 4 boosters

[unreal merlin]

smoke hellpods + low CD hellpod items is really good yes

[keen zinc]

it works REAL good with the shields

it keeps bots from aggroing on the shield gens

[graceful bluff]

It's kinda sad the shields are better used as smoke than actual shields :v

They really need a bit more health

[keen zinc]

idk man theyre lifesavers against indirect fire barrages and gunship rockets

keeps those hits that cause you ulti/leveller your own feet from flinches

[steady flame]

Strange…our game finally did freeze during a bot mission and now that we’ve loaded back its running just fine

No audio issues, nothing

[spare verge]

this statue I found is quite nice

"Some day, lad, all this will be yours."

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf2p3mLZtGQ

[ionic holly]

i just fucking pulled the coolest shit yet on a melee cyborg
it tried to roundhouse me, i ducked it and blew its head off with one senator shot

[keen zinc]

SITUATIONS STILL KINETIC, MAJOR

[glacial light]

Enemies respawn, objectives don't.

I do see a good amount of players that basically keep fighting on an imaginary front lines and won't move forward unless it's safe, and at higher levels it's basically never safe as enemies spawn faster than you can get rid of them

[graceful bluff]

Also all the objectives are roughly 120mm sized

[keen zinc]

lots of people dont understand the two essential elements of infantry combat

fire and maneuver

[steady flame]

Ah dammit spoke too soon. Audio went kaput just now

Pack of muddled beasties | BargainBinCryptid ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) No audio issues, nothing

[graceful bluff]

Survive until mechanized arrives? :v

oh wow we already completed the major order

[keen zinc]

either win or hold until armor or artillery can blow up whatevers fucking with you

but even a hold has to be able to maneuver

defense in depth

i been playing a lot of MENACE lately and the vibes get me into a Helldivers mood

i really wish we had an IFV or APC

[dusty spruce]

I feel like the majority of players don't know you can crouch or prone. Watching lvl 100+ just standing up as the Heavy Devastator turns them into past tense

[keen zinc]

Drophead secured, KEEP IT UP

[keen zinc]

or that even just spraying at bots makes them considerably less accurate

"drophead" is such a cool term for an orbital insertion beachhead

drop troops in sci fi are such a cool concept, its the basic idea of Airborne but extreme

ODSTs n shit

[dusty spruce]

I'm hoping we're allowed to make progress on this one. We've actually got enough of the playerbase on Cyberstan to overcome Extreme resistance.

[unreal merlin]

I once heard that Cyber Stan was given an opportunity to vote, and he ate the ballot instead of voting. Truly reprehensible behavior.

[graceful bluff]

oh that is a very good looking siege ready

[cobalt patrol]

Kills me we can't pick and choose armor skins with passives

It really, relaly does

esp when their justifaction is they want people to know at a glacne

which like... it's not pvpv

why do i care what my teamates are wearing?

[keen zinc]

it even has the Democracy Protects prefix

and is clearly designed as a Dem Prot armor

but they made it siege ready because thats the most requested passive for a med armor

[graceful bluff]

is there no medium siege ready?

[keen zinc]

so double dip on both chinese design and the very requested armor weight and passive combo

[keen zinc]

until this, there wasnt

[graceful bluff]

oh huh that's even more reason to grab it

[keen zinc]

Remember, Diver: China will grow larger.

[graceful bluff]

Chungus ass horse on the player card/cape though :v

[keen zinc]

its the year of the horse

[graceful bluff]

I know

[keen zinc]

i can pretend i am repping Red Hare

[tame parcel]

The Fire Horse at that.

[keen zinc]

THE GREATEST OF ALL WARHORSES

RED HARE

[tame parcel]

I am a Black Goat myself.

I wonder what could possibly be the next melee weapon...

[graceful bluff]

Give me a guandao AH

[keen zinc]

or a pudao

re-use the sledehammer anims

[graceful bluff]

I wanna slash the legs out from a rocket strider

[keen zinc]

heavy pen great weapon please AH

[graceful bluff]

Pilebunker when

[keen zinc]

lets try out the classic

the ultimate soldier

[glacial light]

I dont really but also I rarely ever stand still, I generally only crouch or prone if im starting still for even a second

It helps a ton to avoid getting hit by bots to even just crouch

[indigo bear]

When/If we get a pile bunker, I would like it to throw me forward like a completely lateral jetpack

[tame parcel]

Right now we have:
A saber
A shock baton
A shock spear
An entrenching tool
A hatchet
A machete
A chainsaw
An exploding sledgehammer

I actually keep forgetting about the machete and hatchet.

[indigo bear]

I really don't use the melee weapons myself, but I do enjoy seeing my teammates run wild through the crossfire with them

[tame parcel]

I only have started to get back into watching the game, a little bit. The last I watched for a while was mechs just got added, finally really paid attention with the addition of the siege breakers warbond. Cause now we have 2 interesting melee with the chainsaw and exploding hammer.

And only really been watching some friends play for short periods of time.

So the only melee I have seen any use of is the spear, chainsaw, and hammer technically.

I may have seen baton, hatchet, and entrenching tool too but like all of 30 seconds.

[dusty spruce]

The tension/battle theme for Cyberstan is so good.

[steady flame]

Alright one thing we’re noticing about cyberstan is that any weapon with a heat gauge is actually quite good due to the cold temp

We’ve been running the double sickle and it rocks

[keen zinc]

man i love these things

medic armor makes me play like a crackhead

TRIPLE KILL

no idea why the steam recording cuts out so many sound effect tracks but it dont sound like this in game

<@&1206091872716595200> LETS GET IT

[glacial light]

Medic armor goated

You can play stupid and end a fight healthier than your teammates

Also that long time means you can just do objectives while being quite tanky and if you get knocked over during it you probably wont get killed while ragdolled

[keen zinc]

i basically solo'd all the side ops on the map just by stim chugging and sprinting way ahead of my team and brute forcing through defenders

[glacial light]

Basically what I do for jammers

Hellbomb, me, lot of stims

[keen zinc]

portable hellbomb and medic armor

[glacial light]

Basically guranteed at most 1 reinforcement is all the jammer will take

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf2p3mLZtGQ

this music got me fucking KILL MODE

[glacial light]

Im alsoa fan of using stims for movement if I got plenty

You can cross maps real fast if you take a stim right when you run out of stamina

[glacial light]

My only complaint is how theres like 6 kinds of green and hardly any match the medic armors

The real fashion nerf

[steady flame]

Our kingdom for an armour shader

[keen zinc]

drip or drown?

[tight zephyr]

Warp Pack + Hammer is a fucking great combo.

Killing Hulks with it is just an amazing feeling.

[steady flame]

Friend code is #2125-9342

[warped cradle]

I adore the Vox Engines but they spawn a little too often

Like I should not be seeing an enemy that can tank a leveler spawn 3 times every drop

[keen zinc]

kill em all

[warped cradle]

I only have so many levelers to go around 😭

My guess is that Cyberstan has adjusted spawn rates, similar to how Hive Worlds get when the W O R M appears

[knotty folio]

They can only barely tank a Leveler, tbf

It seems like Leveler plus any sort of love tap does it

[unreal merlin]

I've found that the Trident works pretty great on Cyberstan.

[knotty folio]

I borrowed one from a friend, it can fire for so long without overheating

It's great

[steady flame]

We’ve been loving the double sickle tbh

DE sickle, railgun, shield backpack

Works like a dream

[steady flame]

Hmm. Don’t know what warbond we want

Probably will just go with siege breakers

That or steel veterans

[harsh kayak]

Yer floatin

[harsh kayak]

The beige helmet from cutting edge works

[dusty spruce]

New favorite still

From this

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/lYJ1kVloVi

[ivory swallow]

An upgraded version of the eruptor as a support weapon would be awesome

As a middle point between the GL and the AMR

Also quick question, how well does the dominator do against a dropship?

[strange vine]

Literally the Autocannon

[ivory swallow]

Want backpack slot open

Support pack my beloved

[blissful sparrow]

the gl already is the middle point tbh

[cobalt patrol]

Give us the EAT Auto cannon - twenty round mag, no reloads, just call ins

[rare nymph]

I really don’t think they’d do it, but it’d be funny if there was a Disposable Medley stratagem

Just an assortment of different expendable weapons crammed into a single pod

[ivory swallow]

@sage plume @viscid salmon

[sage plume]

sorry, we just finished

[ivory swallow]

thats good

just funny that we ended up in the same mission

and i didnt notice initially

[ivory swallow]

i was thinking one of those smart grenade launchers that can airburst

[cobalt patrol]

It needs to have a long cooldown, and also just explode when deployed throwing the weapons everywhere

[delicate aspen]

had a fun 10 run earlier, none of them knew about the borgs glowy eye buff and neither of them had played HD1 so imagine their surprise to learn about possible other borgs coming im just curious as to whats gonna be the "boss" mob

[spare verge]

I'm fully expecting one of the buildings to just stand up eventually

[delicate aspen]

you think you're hot shit till the building sprouts legs and starts speaking binary at you

[spare verge]

that was more or less how my first factory strider encounter went

I thought it was a base building and then it turned around

[delicate aspen]

but 10 borgs is pain, once more and more vox's turn up at extract, its honestly miserable with the ragdolling

think at one point i had 6 around me and im just sat there like, guess i live in this fucking hole now lol

[rare nymph]

Oh yeah, it’s need to have a long cd otherwise there’d be much less of a point bringing specific expendable strats

[keen zinc]

portable hellbomb

ka ka ka kill em all

<@&1206091872716595200> its TIME

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849351960851251220/1468279722197647421/dpep0euhcahg1.gif

[dusty spruce]

Curious what a Hive-Lord equivalent will be as well, if the Vox isn’t.
The yelly tank is already so close to the siege mech in design that I don’t think it’ll be that.
My guess is either a spider-tanky type land-dreadnaught or something flying

[keen zinc]

the monkeylord

prepare to recieve the microwave laser

[dusty spruce]

Something straight out of Leviathan

[sour falcon]

Something big enough you can walk around on and go inside to kill sounds rad as hell

[keen zinc]

giant robot with an orbital laser type cannon that just glasses you

the Cybrans and their designs fit perfectly into the Cyborgs anyhow

[dusty spruce]

Honestly something you could walk in/on would be amazing. Especially if it is massive like the hive lord and mission featured. (Even if I don’t think we’ll get that)

Trying to board a big mobile thing would scratch the shipbord combat itch I see people begging for

[spare verge]

given how cyberstan looks I'm half expecting something out of armored core 6

[keen zinc]

if one is on the map you get access to a grapple speargun for boarding it

[delicate aspen]

fuck man, this takes me back, supreme commander was the shit

[keen zinc]

i am so tired of lone wolf stealthdivers on cyberstand man

yeah real cool you destroyed an AA turret on the edge of the map but being down a rifle in the fight on the objective just means more reinforcements get burned in tough fights that wouldn't be nearly as tough if all four were there

[tight zephyr]

I think the best all-round main weapon I’ve tried out on Cyberstan is probably the Coyote.

[keen zinc]

i dont like the coyote, the incendiary effect on target obscures follow up shots

[tight zephyr]

What?

[keen zinc]

the flash of sparks that erupt on impact with the target

it is obscuring and prevents accurate groupings

[tight zephyr]

Just hold the trigger down until it stops moving.

[keen zinc]

sure you can just pour it on and bring them down via damage and pen

but thats not 'fficient

[tight zephyr]

Dead’s dead, doesn’t matter how they get there.

[idle hollow]

had some spare monies

i can afford another warbond on top of siege breakers

i've got:

• python commandos
• force of law
• masters of ceremony
• truth enforcers
• chemical agents
• redacted regiment
  and killzone left to buy

[tight zephyr]

Python Commandos has the maxigun, which should be more accurately named the MaxiFUN.

[graceful bluff]

Like 5 vox engines on top of a building lmao

[supple siren]

Secret Final Cyborg Boss, Megazord..

[ivory swallow]

whats a good red strat for dealing with factory striders?

[supple siren]

Earnestly tough choice.. Python is up there, I've enjoyed all the Redacted stuff but if you don't like sneaks it's less impactful

500kg, Orbital Precision Strike, Railcannon.. Regular Airstrike

[royal lantern]

Chemical Agents is worth mentioning for Gas Grenades alone

[supple siren]

Nothing exactly oneshots a factory

Well, Solo Silo-

Some things oneshot a factory but not commonly

[tight zephyr]

If you bullseye the eye on the left side of the head with a recoilless rifle, it’ll one shot it.

[supple siren]

ohdamn

I'll have to tell my Recoilless friend

[tight zephyr]

It’s a tricky shot, but it does work.

[supple siren]

I've been loving C4 into bots, War Striders, Hulks, Vox, crowds of devastators.. not one of them likes it

[cobalt patrol]

tbh, it's much better to use recoiless on them than red strats

1 to the eye/belly, or 2 to the head

which makes the eye shot really good to go for because even if you whiff, you hit the head and then a follow up rocket deletes them

[ionic holly]

i will say one downside of running shieldnade
i miss my shotgunnnn
i've been running the One-two due to its GL compensating for my non-explosive grenade and support weapon

I know i can also use the GP but i also have been enjoying the senator

[strange vine]

Thats wasting the fire proc tbh, youre better off using a weapon with better soft stats and higher durable damage then

[tight zephyr]

Like what?

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, i think they can chill on the number of vox engines

On d10 it's kinda ridiclous

There's something like 5 on scren currently

and another 5+ vox engine wrecks

Or jjust chill their damage al ittle, i should not explode that fast in heavy armor.

[tight zephyr]

The burn damage is how I usually kill shit like troopers. Just put enough into them to set them on fire. Devastators usually take a little more sustained fire.

[cobalt patrol]

Oh for fucks sake, why is it's hitbox tiny enough the Vox engine can drive through the tunnels?

that's actively fucking dumb.

[rotund marten]

the vox engine clipping wildly through terrain to deny you the ability to shoot the vents is the thing I like least about them

they're scary enough without pulling that nonsense

[knotty folio]

You found their nest

[cobalt patrol]

That and the top body blocking grenades into the lower vent when it's open is obnoxious

Otherwise, cyberstan is fun if intense

I've started bringing the purifier over my censor though, just because it can blap gunships and gunships are scary

[oblique lotus]

solo silo pretty consistently oneshots striders

the blast is what kills so you don't need a direct hit

with a good placement you can actually kill two in a convoy

[oblique lotus]

adjudicator comes to mind

libpen

[supple siren]

Oh I phrased that real poorly I meant it's not like every big explosion OHKO's, though I haven't tried the Leveller :|a

Solo Silo is a lovely strider deletion beam

[oblique lotus]

leveller will consistently oneshot fac striders

[supple siren]

I haven't fought any since Vox town, good to know

also damn they build Vox different I guess

[oblique lotus]

harder to use obv but you get a bunch more due to the decreased cd

[supple siren]

nothin stopping ya from having both especially in higher diffs too

love watching them drop off three of the damn things

increasingly worried 'it's fine, we got this'

[oblique lotus]

yeah its decent

I ran commando + leveller + solo silo and its surprisingly high uptime because you'll usually have one of the three up esp with streamlined launch process

[supple siren]

my duo frien was doing that while I ran around killin the hulks and such with warp pack + hammer, was a good time

new units are a fun mixup

[keen zinc]

port hellbomb my beloved

[ivory swallow]

Does eagle airstrike or 110mm rockets serve a similar purpose if I find 500kg inconsistent?

[keen zinc]

unfortunately no

110s are super duper inconsistent

and too often do nothing

[ivory swallow]

What about airstrike?

[oblique lotus]

110s are solid but they only kill one thing

airstrike is a decent general purpose strike imo

large area, consistent AoE, AT damage

[tight zephyr]

I prefer the air strike to the 500kg because it requires less precision.

[oblique lotus]

A lot of the time I would rather have eagle cluster + a dedicated AT option instead of two generalist reds

[tight zephyr]

If something asks me to be precise, I will try to find an alternative.

[oblique lotus]

i.e. cluster + quasar instead of airstrike + antimat

[tight zephyr]

I’ve been practicing with the hammer and warp pack a lot lately.

[rotund marten]

I've just become more enthusiastic about the Censor, once you get the extended mag it absolutely carves through cyborgs and vox vents

[tight zephyr]

That’s been a lot of fun.

[rotund marten]

and I haven't seen many gunships on Cyberstan

[tight zephyr]

Neither have I.

[rotund marten]

the few that have shown up have been handily dealt with by one teammate with a quasar while I hellbombed the fab

[tight zephyr]

You see them as a background element at high altitude.

[rotund marten]

since they fixed the bug where the hellbomb didn't work every time

[glacial light]

Boarding a scarab in halo always felt good, I'd kill for something like that with automaton's hive lord

[cobalt patrol]

If there's a gunship objective, they're hell

[knotty folio]

I had a mission with two of them, it's actually terrifying having the New and Improved Gunships dipping in and out from behind buildings while trying to deal with Voxen

[indigo bear]

Buffed grenade launcher feels so good.

[supple siren]

me and my pal are finding all of them, seems, 2 or 3 on a map sometimes

turns out Ultimatum/C4 has a slight issue with things in the uh

the sky

Censor wasn't doing much either

[graceful bluff]

the eruptor is forever the best non stratagem tool against em

[supple siren]

Yeaaah Eruptor has been brutal into new bots, was just doing something of a sneaking mission and a hundred gunships changed my plans

[stone bridge]

I've been bringing the Loyalist on my stealth loadouts to deal with gunships, surprisingly effective

Kills in three fully charged shots to an engine

[glacial light]

Eruptor is kind of the perfect anti bot primary

[knotty folio]

Eruptor is kind of the perfect anti bot primary

[lethal delta]

Supreme commander my beloved...

[glacial light]

I didn't want to make that claim but I would agree with it my beloved eruptor

The perfect skirmisher weapon despite looking like a bulky sniper rifle

[unreal merlin]

That's a sick reference

That thing's microwave laser did not mess around

The only reason it lost to Galactic Colossus was because of the massive health ratio, the microwave laser had like 1.5k dps over the face laser

[lethal delta]

That's why started attacking from as far away as possible

It's frontal cannons had absurd range

[strange vine]

Adjudicator and Liberator Penetrator both have higher durable damage than the Coyote

[cobalt patrol]

Loyalist is the mini purifier, yeah?

[stone bridge]

Yup

[cobalt patrol]

Hmmm, good idea, I'll have to try that

[stone bridge]

I think it's pretty severely underrated - it does more damage than the Senator in an AoE with really high stagger, so beyond Gunship killing, it can engage devastator and radical groups

[cobalt patrol]

I remember not liking something about the loyalists feel last time I used it

[glacial light]

Ammo is pretty rough

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, I was busting out the purifier, which is great... But very redundantexcept got gunships if you're going grenade launcher/supply pack things

[glacial light]

I'm pretty sure people bring senator moreso for the heavy pen

Loyalist only gets up to med pen iirc

[stone bridge]

Which only lets you engage Hulks easily

I don't super value that

[stone bridge]

You have 42 rounds counting initial mags, only 4 less than than the Senator

If the Loyalist has ammo issues so does the Senator

[cobalt patrol]

I've been using the Senator in conjunction with the censor just for the firepower, but I think loyalist might be the way

Thanks for the idea, Briar!

Now I just gotta remember when I'm at my computer again

[glacial light]

Senator isn't a gun I'd associate with good ammo pool either

I also don't care for senator

[stone bridge]

No problem, its not the ideal solution but I find it fills a hole in my loadout and does other things at the same time

[dark plover]

I fear I've become dependent on the Ultimatum as a get out of jail free card

[glacial light]

It is a very nice get out of jail free card

I run ultimatum with trident on bugs

[supple siren]

Senator has lost some luster now that hulks aren't a solid 50% of Bot Heavies

[dark plover]

And with the supply pack it's absolutely ridiculous

[tight zephyr]

Liberator Penetrator might be my go to.

[glacial light]

Ah so you're enlightened to ultimatum and supply pack

[tight zephyr]

I hate the Adjudicator’s recoil and ammo capacity.

[glacial light]

I am a great shot with the leveler cause of my time using the ultimatum and supply pack so much

[dark plover]

I've been running all the ammo hungry equips plus supply pack and now I'm struggling with any other builds lol

[tight zephyr]

But I’m also usually bringing a Maxigun because “hehe brrrrrrt” so whatever.

[glacial light]

I feel confident I could yeet an ultimatum into a fab vent from 50m away if it didn't kill them from the outside

[glacial light]

3 capacity grenades too

Dynamite is a menace for base clearing

[dark plover]

The magic of diving forward to transfer your body's momentum into the warhead

[glacial light]

As with demo force 40 it can kill most spawners from the outside

So one dynamite can close 2 nearby big holes or fabs

While also killing most every medium enemy in a large radius

Even good for cautious approacbes, set fuse to like 30 seconds, throw like 3 of them before you're detected then bounce and you'll see camp cleared when you're like half a mile away

[dark plover]

I need to practice more with dynamite. It seems really versatile if you learn the right cooking timing

[glacial light]

I mostly leave it on 5s and if you throw it far it'll basically explode upon touching the ground

If I'm using it up close I throw it like 30 feet in front of me while enemies are chasing me and by the time it explodes the bulk of them will be right over it

And I'll be right outside the save radius

[oblique lotus]

it gets way better with a vert grip and muzzle attachment

night and day

much like the knight

[supple siren]

Reprimand mods are gamechanging

[knotty folio]

Can dynamite destroy the buildings for the destroy infrastructure secondary on Cyberstan?

[glacial light]

I have no idea, I've been using lure mines mostly

[knotty folio]

I'm guessing it can, since the Ultimatum can

Which seems like a pretty big upside to it

[glacial light]

I would assume the same

[dark plover]

I think they're both the same demo force now

[glacial light]

Dynamite is quite the good demolition tool

[dark plover]

Can also blow open the doors to the Cyberstan cities

[glacial light]

I enjoy it cause I don't really need to get good angles on spawners

[cobalt patrol]

It is very funny doing that with the leveler

[glacial light]

If I see it I can throw a dynamite at it from where I am and don't need to spend even a second repositoning where I could be seen or shot by different enemies

[knotty folio]

I like Thermite for that but it's definitely different benefits

[glacial light]

Thermite also good for that

[cobalt patrol]

I'm honestly wondering about bringing smoke grenades over gas grenades on cyberstan. Or maybe I'll just take smoke strike

[glacial light]

Shield nades seem good but I haven't unlocked them yet

I'm medals broke

[knotty folio]

I've been meaning to use smoke stuff more often, I've heard a lot of conflicting information - do you need to put smoke on yourself, on the enemies, or between you?

[cobalt patrol]

I dropped a smoke strike ontop of myself and it worked pretty well

The main thing is units can't see through smoke

They know you're in that area and can shoot at it

But they don't actually know where you are in it

Or if you've left it

[dark plover]

I kinda wanna get that smoke pod booster and use an expendables build

[knotty folio]

Gotcha, makes sense

[cobalt patrol]

And they will have to cross all the way through it to get a new bread on you

[glacial light]

The smoke pod booster is kind of goated

It's for some reason godly effective for reinforcements and you could throw them right on top of where they died and they could just pick up their gear without being targeted if they don't shoot first

I'm guessing it's cause helldivers come in undetected?

And smokes keeps them from being detected or prioritized in aggro

[knotty folio]

Huh, that's a bit silly but also quite neat

[glacial light]

I find lure mines to be a good aggro tool

[dark plover]

That'd be my guess. There AI never has a chance to even register them as a target

[glacial light]

It buys me so much time if I just approach an objective throw down a lure mine in front of the enemies then run past as like over half suddenly aren't interested in shooting at me

And while smoke nades requires LoS play and positioning, if an enemy I haven't shot sees both me and the mine it'll probably go afger the mine so I don't need to worry about placing myself between enemy and smoke

I can just be anywhere in the area of the mine and even distant enemies will not prioritize me

[dark plover]

Can you daisy chain aggro between lure mines if the enemies aren't all killed by the first one?

[stone bridge]

I'm starting to think they're very important tbh, if you get caught in the front arc of a Vox Engine sans cover their cannons are insanely lethal

[glacial light]

Sort of, I can't say I try that often because capacity is low to be able to spam them but you can throw one right after that previous one blows up and lose a good amount of aggro again

I've used all my mines on say jammers to just run in, stim a bit, and disable jammer console in like 20 seconds

And doing it quite safely too, if you don't attack any enemies

I tend to try to clear certain objectives solo before my teammates get there

[azure pewter]

<@&1206091872716595200> helldiving?

[viscid salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

maybe

[azure pewter]

im trying to make my cape turn into a poncho by spinning in da destroyer

https://klipy.com/gifs/clint-eastwood-byebye

[waxen hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-helldiver-helldivers-1-games-spin-gif-8843566252525203335

[knotty folio]

They heard "guard the wall" and didn't question it

[glacial light]

Helldivers that want to flank via a very narrow gap along the walls in shambles

You know considering we just got new demolition tools

[keen zinc]

its clear the big walls are meant to have the command bunker casemate guns on them but they were removed, thank god

[glacial light]

Maybe not the worst idea to expect a hellever to come out of nowhere by breaking a random section of wall

It seems like a stupid tactic but have you seen who we're fighting - Cyborg

[ionic holly]

I know the gates probably crumple to most demo force options or just have a control panel but its really fucking fun to drop a leveller and shoot a gate to make an entrance into one of the megafactories

Bonus points when my friends push in with their tank right after

[glacial light]

Agreed

I dont trust anyone who chooses to go through the front gates when there is a hole in the wall

My helldiver in democracy that entrance is fortified, they want you to go through that way. Don't obey the enemy and make your own entrance where they dont expect it

Except for random gunner nest facing the wall they did expect it

Also its funny to break the wall and immediately see the obective and the entire enemy backline with the gunner nests facing away from you

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtLgUlXgRo8

[keen zinc]

yeah had one do that to me with a garage today

[naive hawk]

pelican got a bit lost

[shrewd tiger]

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/Vox_Engine

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1r21tnr/psa_its_called_a_breaching_hammer_for_a_reason/ Knock Knock

[glacial light]

Ive just been using dynamite

Well if someone else doesnt bring dynamite, id rather use lure mines but dynamite is just too useful on cyberstan

[oblique lotus]

oh I need to shoot vox engines lower apparently

I've been going for center mass

[glacial light]

I dont think ive really fought any normally, someone seems to have a silo or leveler and they do get pinged and die to those

I didnt know about the grenade vent thing

[winter shuttle]

the vox engine is cool but it really should be one per spawn

and not 6.

[knotty folio]

...odd, Torso has 21000hp with 100% to main, but main only has 11000hp?

I guess the extra 10khp is so you can still hit it while it's in bleed?

[winter shuttle]

i think the accuracy of the cyborgs is a bit too high at the moment

[knotty folio]

It should probably scale a bit more with difficulty

[strange vine]

nah i like that the enemies hp pools dont scale with difficulty

but they really should decrease the spawn rate of vox engines

[knotty folio]

The number per spawn should scale more with difficulty

[keen zinc]

i have no problem with multiple spawning but it should be like, if one exists, increase spawn timer for another one being able to spawn, but not eliminate their ability to spawn

[knotty folio]

Keep the same number at 10, have them be a tad less numerous on 7

[strange vine]

makes more sense

i think the spawn rates for the superheavies are a bit borked

apparently factory striders spawn fuckloads on 6s

since vox engines are 7+

[knotty folio]

Oh, makes sense if Cyberstan just has a high superheavy spawn rate in general

[keen zinc]

the Vox's exist to be a firefight deterrent, so having them be able to snowball is good, but they need to pile on progressively slower the more there are so its not like, going from oh there is one to now there is 6

[knotty folio]

I'll need to play more to have a strong opinion, but I'm kind of skeptical of them not being able to spawn multiple at once because it's so easy to just remove them as they spawn in that case

[keen zinc]

exactly, they need to still be able to pile on if you arent removing them

but they definitely should be coming in slower if there are already some active, slower the more there are

to prevent the very sudden pileup of 5 all within a minute

give people time to remove them but punish them if they dont

its a siege assault, the pressure is supposed to be on, but imo right now they show up huge numbers a bit too rapidly

a single bot drop bringing 3 is a bit much

they could even remove them from bot drops entirely and just have them roll into active fights from elsewhere blaring their sirens

[glacial light]

Id agree with that, id want like 1 spawn by default then extra ones spawn over time and less sudden influx

Makes it like a punishment for spending too much time in one area

[knotty folio]

I really haven't gone against them enough to have a strong opinion yet, but idk, from what I've played it's been an interesting "this zone is untenable, time to leave" situation

In a way that them dropping one at a time would never cause, because a couple AT emplacements can handle an infinite stream of single drops

[keen zinc]

its only an issue on long objectives or extractions

[knotty folio]

Oh, yeah, fair there

[keen zinc]

ala cyborg manufactory, super earth flags, extraction

[knotty folio]

Haven't done any flags yet, I imagine it's brutal there

Manufactory at least you can dip out and come back without losing progress, if it's the one I'm thinking of

[keen zinc]

well, there still would be all the hulks and tanks and war striders carried by the drop ships that would otherwise be dropping 3 additional Voxs

so no opportunity cost loss

[knotty folio]

Extraction you can do the emergency extract, but I agree it's better to have that not be required

[glacial light]

Yea how frequently many can drop by dropship is a bit much

[knotty folio]

Hulks and tanks and war striders don't break a position

[keen zinc]

striders can if they decide to roleplay an artillery piece

I CAST GRENADE VOLLEY I CAST GRENADE VOLLEY

[knotty folio]

True, if they drop behind cover from the AT emplacement

[glacial light]

I think i should try swapping out lure mines for shield nade once I get shield nades and tossing it on EATs encampment

[knotty folio]

Someday that will be true of Barrager Tanks too, I hope ;_;

[keen zinc]

ngl the AT emplacement has not been great for me

because of the kung fu boys

Radicals are fuckin radical and i love them

[knotty folio]

Definitely wants a friend, a dog, and/or a minefield

[keen zinc]

flying knee into shotgun execution

exactly how i would be with cyborg augmentation

[knotty folio]

The Cyborg enemies are great in general

[glacial light]

I havent tried it for cyborgs but normal aumatons you can just fire the EATs encampment near you and the outer radius damages and staggers them

So you can deal with them close without needing to hop out

[knotty folio]

I love how they actively try to dodge you and take cover, the gunfights are delightful

[keen zinc]

the Agitators are great shots

Overseers could use some marksmanship training from them

[glacial light]

I like how they try to eject from the vox engines but it seems like theyre scripted to die

Were fighting units with self preservation

[knotty folio]

Honestly I hope they fix the ejection capsules so they survive at some point

It seems likely to just be a bug that they die

[keen zinc]

they eject and the bots and cyborgs run to pick them up and carry them off like ants with a ritz cracker

ill never understand mfs who bring faster extraction instead of vit booster or stam enhancement

[glacial light]

Vitality booster and stamina enhancements are so goated it baffles me when people dont bring both

Especially if one of them is wearing heavy armor

Vitality Booster noticeably buffs heavy armor's tankiness

[rotund marten]

we have become rather better at killing voxes even over like, a day

mostly I'd just like them to stop clipping through walls or spinning around wildly making it impossible to address them with light pen + frags rather than an avalanche of AT

[stone bridge]

I'd honestly like more people to bring smoke, smoke ameliorates vox engines very well

[keen zinc]

yeah it do

also helps with the objective doing and contact breaking

[knotty folio]

I'd also appreciate if small enemies didn't have a tendency to phase into their corpses

[keen zinc]

i wish enemies could be ran over by the treads

instead of just running through them to karate kick me

[rotund marten]

I've been pleasantly surprised by the effectiveness of the regular frags on these missions

you get tons, they kill vox engine vents, work on the scattered fabs and take chunks out of the relatively light and tightly clustered infantry waves

[glacial light]

Pyrotechs also get 6 max capacity

[rotund marten]

I suppose those are basically a flat upgrade but I don't have that warbond yet

[glacial light]

I wonder if it can kill a vox engine like it does for factory striders

3-4 pyrotechs to a single foot of a factory strider kills them

I dont see people use stuff from Master of Ceremonies much

[lethal delta]

Which one is the homing grenade?

[keen zinc]

also i dont think smoke grenades work for killing vox's

i was misled

i definitely dunked em twice

[glacial light]

Seeker

[keen zinc]

eh ive used both, they are different

[oblique lotus]

its hell

[keen zinc]

pyros are definitely a lot more damage but take longer to do their damage, better for choke points

[oblique lotus]

Forced fight with Oops! All Vox Engines! and the infinite horde is not a great time tbph

[keen zinc]

frags are much better for offense due to the short fuse and instant burst damage

good for attacking, you cant really push an area youve pyro'd without lighting yourself on fire

[oblique lotus]

the wild spinning is apparently a "get off of me" attack which imo they shouldn't actually have

you need to do a decent amount of prep work to get onto a vox engine

[stone bridge]

they do, I've done it before

[keen zinc]

impacts or normals? cuz i have dunked a few normals into em

[oblique lotus]

if voxes were slower I'd have a much easier time but they push hard and if you can't find cover you just die

[stone bridge]

normals, yeah

[oblique lotus]

and I'm fine with prep work but you burn so much time doing things to the first VE and then another one shows up 45 seconds later

[keen zinc]

might be something odd going on

very much enjoying the amendment

bayonet clutch for radicals

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge Loyalist is a good shoutout, btw. And i think it was the sway and spread it used to have that made me dislike it previously

now it's a lot more useful and accurate

[stone bridge]

Wahey, glad to hear it

[cobalt patrol]

Also while it's a silly way to do stealth, the Loud Stealthdiver loadout is working well

Smoke Strike, Leveller, Grenade Launcher, Supply Pack, Censor. Currently using gas grenades, but i'm thinking of bringing some pineapples or dynmaite.

Very easy to sneak around picking things off with the censor, and then when a firefight does break out, you can hammer waves apart with your GL

[keen zinc]

port hellbomb, solo silo, railcannon strike, flex

i assault the objective then move on to next objective

[ionic holly]

Tried out the GMG again for a bit, yeah i
really dont like it

[dusty spruce]

Ok I’m sorta back to perhaps we need less Vox engines
Just doing a lvl 7 now to make sure we can extract,
Exit a culvert next to the extract site, cue an extended battle to extraction with 20+ Vox engines, usually around 3 at a time

Starting to feel like Dragonroaches again where one is dealt with and I turn to see two more firing missiles

I don't think I saw a war strider that mission. Some hulks and tanks occasionally, but just a load of Vox Engines
Spawns have to be some sort of weighting and sometimes the weights aren't right

[knotty folio]

It definitely seems like they've bumped up superheavy spawns a ton on Cyberstan, which is fun but also should be less ridiculous on 7/8

Since right now you have the option of don't encounter Voxen at all (6-) or Unlimited Vox Engine Works

[keen zinc]

its so fun to shoot and can rack up kills but

the individuals shots feel so whimpy

hitting a rando with a burst and having him still wobble at you is just like

weugh

[knotty folio]

GMG?

[ionic holly]

Belt fed grenade machine gun

i just call it a grenade machine gun

[knotty folio]

Ahh

[keen zinc]

i call it the AGL

both are common terms

[ionic holly]

so far my experience with it has more or less come down to "im more effective with the minigun than this"

[keen zinc]

i mean, i get huge kill counts with it

but kills dont translate to objective success

[ionic holly]

It has no issue getting kills, i just find my minigun more effective for me

[keen zinc]

minigun would be goated if war strider hip joints were AV3

or their 'vents'

[ionic holly]

Ive a fuck load of parts in the kits, i dont need my support weapon to cover it all

Annie or the leveller can eat striders just fine

[keen zinc]

ive honestly been running amendment, senator, and frags

if i see a war strider i just skirmish

[ionic holly]

One-two, senator, shield nade

[keen zinc]

i dream of the day they make the one-two nades heavy pen

HEDP

[ionic holly]

eh.

its utility, not a kill nade

[keen zinc]

as a former grenadier the idea of HE being "not a kill nade" is very funny

in fact usually the grenades used in launchers like the one-two are the ones utilizing HEDP for better penetration

[graceful bluff]

Anti Materiel grenade then :v

[tame parcel]

Zach Hazard did recently tell me about offensive vs defensive grenades.

[keen zinc]

launcher grenades are different from hand grenades

[ionic holly]

Sorry for not being a specialist i guess?

my point is its clearly meant more for utility in game, simple as

we can bring up real bits of kit but like
the one-two aint a real gun

[keen zinc]

well, i dont think there is a basis for know what it is "meant" to be seeing as how the GL was just made heavy pen out of the blue

so we dont really know what the devs intend

[ionic holly]

considering ive many conniptions with that buff i should very much hold my tongue

[keen zinc]

and i'd just love to see the one-two and grenade pistols be the ones with heavy pen and the belt-fed grenade launchers both go back to medium

because generally the belt fed 40mms are actually a bit less punchy

[glacial light]

Nonlethal high explosive grenade

[keen zinc]

i mean

i had my HEDPs, and usually 6-12 CS gas or nerfs

[graceful bluff]

I'm sure the super scientists can make a HEAT grenade :v

[keen zinc]

lethals and nonlethals

[keen zinc]

HEDP

basically an HE grenade with a shaped charge at the front

standard issue for infantry grenadiers

[graceful bluff]

(I specifically want heat just because of how unhinged it'd be in a cartridge grenade form factor)

[keen zinc]

gives them punching power against light cover and light armored vehicles

i have strong Grenade Opinions because of the elbow smashing i endured from my M320 whipping around on its sling whenever i had to jump prone

[ionic holly]

Ironically they beat you to that apparently

[keen zinc]

i dont really consider the file names to be of much consequence because we arent meant to see it so they would never correct it

[ionic holly]

Sorry for trying to make a joke

ill just stop talking

[keen zinc]

you are assigning negativity where there is none

[graceful bluff]

Funnily enough, the grenade pistol is probably the only launcher I could see a heat grenade working(same with the one two)

You can make some long fuckin' cartridge grenades if you don't have to deal with non manual reloading

Like this fuckin' thing, literally longer than the launcher that fires it

[keen zinc]

well its more the fact that the belts that need to hold belt-feeding grenades are pretty hefty

and so the grenades designed for belts have indents in them

which limits their payload and proportions

[graceful bluff]

Imagine a rotary grenade launcher using grenades longer than your forearm

[tame parcel]

That negativity came hard and fast.

[tame parcel]

Long.

[keen zinc]

like, we can have discussions where having an opinion doesnt mean i am saying i am right and you are wrong, we can both just have perspectives

[tame parcel]

Feels like it would look less like a revolver and more like a pepperbox.

[graceful bluff]

Meanwhile I got this in the same image search and now I want a rocket dog

[keen zinc]

bring forth the puckle gun

[tame parcel]

I remember reading the Ukranians were 3D printing bodies for drones to carry RPG-26s. up to 2 at a time (This was before the war).

[keen zinc]

a guard dog that picks up mini-EATs off your back to fire at random armored targets would be so funny

send forth the LAW-DOG

[tame parcel]

We have the K9 and the Dog Breath...

[graceful bluff]

Basically just one or two rows of the rocket turret tubes attached to a guard dog

[keen zinc]

has to fly back to you to load another tube rack

[glacial light]

Helldog

One time use

[keen zinc]

it just has the mini-nuke warhead from the SEAF sites strapped to it

go forth my son

[glacial light]

Imagine if you could give SEAF's the portable hellbomb

[graceful bluff]

Helldog, a mini hellbomb that goes after the first thing you mark

[keen zinc]

honestly we gotta be utilizing whatever theyre doing with the mini-nuke shells

[graceful bluff]

Too bad if that was a stimpack right next to you

[dusty spruce]

Mark a detector tower and watch it go

[keen zinc]

two part stratagem: heavy emplacement base

you throw it down and it creates a dugout with mountings for a heavy weapon

then you throw a second stratagem that drops the weapon into it

create your own mini SEAF artillery

or SAM site

takes 2 slots, one for the base, one for the armament

[graceful bluff]

Honestly I just really want a portable stratagem that has high demo like the hellbomb, so I can jetpack into a base and hit em with the

https://tenor.com/view/liu-bei-benevolence-dynasty-warriors-zhao-yun-adou-gif-26871873

[tame parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-oh-hell-no-hell-gif-13947705

[keen zinc]

nuclear football

[glacial light]

Hammer but it has an option for a hellbomb

[keen zinc]

its just a mini-nuke shell

[glacial light]

If AH werent so protective about jammers, I could see a literal nuclear football

[keen zinc]

literally just a hellpod that pops out a seaf mini nuke with c4 taped to it

take it, go the distance, touchdown

[graceful bluff]

stealth armor hellbomb is the closest I'll probably ever get

[keen zinc]

give me the shredder missile

[graceful bluff]

Last thing a poor 1 fab base hears is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ReqmCd4Yo

[glacial light]

What I would do for a seeker swarm dispenser

Drops a pod like mine dispenser but dozens of seeker nades fly out of it instead of mine

[graceful bluff]

A seeker swarm or a WASP hive turret is still in my top 3 of things I want

Top 1 will forever be an orbital arc strike

[glacial light]

Same

Or orbital arc barrage

Or my meme answer, airburst dog

[keen zinc]

i still want an infantry mortar

or heavy mortar / field howitzer emplacement

[glacial light]

Mortar should be a hand cranked version

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btIr4p4FqK4

[tame parcel]

I suddenly want a boomerang? Why?

[graceful bluff]

I want a boomerang only if it bonks you on the head if you don't quicktime catch it

[tame parcel]

Just blows up and instantly kills you.

'We decided to add a little skill test.'

[keen zinc]

breath of the wild giant boomerang

[glacial light]

Mech with giant boomerang launcher

[tame parcel]

It's been a while, I am remembering the Lizal boomerang though.

Based on those African Throwing Knives.

Ah, I see.

I must rest now.

[keen zinc]

i wish the small guys got ran over too

[tame parcel]

I am curious what the next warbond will introduce...

[keen zinc]

i want a talon rifle

[strange vine]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Cyberstan/comments/1r0p6sg/how_tomorrow_is_gonna_go/

[strange vine]

datamined spoilers ||it seems to be pointing to WW1/flamer focused with an SMG with an underbarrel flamer and a backpack flamethrower stratagem||

[graceful bluff]

That's a very interesting combo for a weapon

[keen zinc]

is there a specific spot to shoot a war strider with the speargun

[graceful bluff]

The eyes

[ivory swallow]

hip joints?

[graceful bluff]

It's real early for me but it.. should oneshot in the eye?

[keen zinc]

im probably just missing because i only just got the speargun but i did put a couple in a hip joint and the mf just wouldnt go down

but it was also very chaotic so maybe i was hitting the leg

[graceful bluff]

Hip joint would definitely need at least 2

[keen zinc]

mannnn i am so tired of level 20-30s on 9's in cyberstan who refuse to leave their chosen grid square

god bless the portable hellbomb

[graceful bluff]

I need to run the hellbomb more

[strange vine]

two shots minimum, speargun deals 650 normal damage and 275 durable damage, the eyes are 70% durable, so it's 650 * .3 + 275 * .7 = 387.5 damage to the eye

the war strider also moves around a lot, so its harder to hit the eye than it seems

[keen zinc]

yeah i wasnt even gonna try to hit eye shots with the sheer number of hulks and cyborgs i was juking

[graceful bluff]

Highly recommend the epoch for war striders though

that definitely oneshots

[strange vine]

epoch is great vs war striders yeah

[keen zinc]

i ended up putting like 6 harpoons into the strider and i dont think i killed it

[strange vine]

it doesnt

epoch 2 shots war striders from any angle though

[graceful bluff]

It oneshots in the eye I've confirmed this myself

[keen zinc]

epoch...

[strange vine]

sure but the epoch is also fairly inaccurate at longer ranges, so its not tenable except at close range

better to just send 2 max charge shots at it as fast as possible

[keen zinc]

i should give the epoch more tries

[graceful bluff]

I mean even if you miss it'll still be a 2shot

also staggers the shit outta it

If you're not used to railgun gaming I'd recommend a mod like this though, the window on the epochs real punishing to get used to https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/6534

[weary granite]

Doesn't the Epoch still have pretty noticeable inaccuracy at longer ranges?

[graceful bluff]

no

that was a bug

[weary granite]

Hmm, noted

[strange vine]

actually im pretty sure this is flat out impossible. The eye only takes direct damage from the epoch, and the epoch max charge only has 400 normal damage and 200 durable damage, while the eye is 500 hp

[graceful bluff]

Do remember that it's an aoe weapon, it splashes to other parts to do the extra damage

[strange vine]

yeah but thats not relevant to hitting the eye

and the aoe damage only affects the main body and legs

[graceful bluff]

Or something, I don't know how it works but I've killed full health striders from stealth plenty of times

[strange vine]

everywhere else is 100% explosive damage resistance

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SeBRlTxRM50

[strange vine]

hmm, something funky is going on there

its absolutely killing it via the eye weakspot

which means the explosive damage isnt affecting it, since its 100% explosive damage resistant

[graceful bluff]

I think it's because the aoe is high enough to splash to the legs

[strange vine]

the wiki values for the direct damage are either wrong or the eye hp value is wrong

[strange vine]

the aoe doesnt matter

because the explosive aoe needs 2 max charge shots to kill (its in fact the primary damage dealer vs war striders)

its specifically killing via the eye

which means its only the projectile damage

the eye doesnt have increased damage to main like fleshmob heads too

[graceful bluff]

Torso and legs(x2) doesn't have exdr, so I think it's the 700 ballistic impacting the eye and then the splash from the rest hitting the legs to finish it off

[keen zinc]

i remember why i dont like the epoch

[graceful bluff]

The epoch does not like to be used but that's part of the fun

[strange vine]

okay no i think the wiki definitely has some values wrong for the max charge shot, i remember the max charge shot should have 800 damage and 400 durable damage

which is plenty enough for the eye

[graceful bluff]

That's odd cause it's autopopulated from the datamine fine

[strange vine]

they probably linked something wrong idk

[keen zinc]

it does no damaaaage

[graceful bluff]

are you fully charging it

[keen zinc]

yes

[verbal summit]

I dislike the epoch

It just does not have the vibes

[graceful bluff]

It twoshots vox engines

from the back

[keen zinc]

it 7 shots a hulk

[verbal summit]

Lmao

[graceful bluff]

Because you need to aim it

one shot to the eye, one shot to the back

[keen zinc]

if i want to aim for the eye ill use a senator and not a shoulder fire chargeup gun

[graceful bluff]

You can also shoot it between the legs of a hulk to splash its vent iirc

[glacial light]

Quasar gang caught in the crossfire

[verbal summit]

Quasar is just visually boring to me😔

It does not have the vibes

[keen zinc]

i feel like im throwing water balloons at dese bots

[strange vine]

what? its 1 max charge shot and then 1 min charge shot to kill a hulk

very consistently from most angles

you're not charging it up enough

theyve finally synced the charge with the visual indicator, so when you see the muzzle flash and the rapid high pitched beeps thats when its max charge

[graceful bluff]

The greebles also go fully in which some people like as an identifier

It's also really nice for jetpack gaming since you can reload it while jumping

[keen zinc]

are these not fully charged shots?

[dark plover]

The muzzle flares again when it's fully charged

[keen zinc]

aaaah

[graceful bluff]

They're not

[keen zinc]

makes sense

[graceful bluff]

the greebles go partly in, back out, then fully in

[dark plover]

I had the exact same experience when I picked up my friend's Epoch lol

[keen zinc]

i wish it have the sword of damocles of it will kill you for overcharging

cuz i swear i thought that was max charge and holding it longer would kill me

[stone bridge]

it uh, does

if you hold it too long it explodes

[keen zinc]

i know

[stone bridge]

exactly like the railgun

[graceful bluff]

I think they accidentally a word

[stone bridge]

ah

[keen zinc]

its past my bedtime

idk what i meant by "i wish it have"

[graceful bluff]

"I wish it didn't have" probably

[keen zinc]

okay i rewatched its cinematics in the unlock area and yeah i see now there is a second pulse

[graceful bluff]

But yeah once you get used to it, chunking entire groups of devs with a single shot is very satisfying, alongside being able to chunk through heavy targets

[keen zinc]

oh there is even a little meter