Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[verbal summit]

@lusty sigil

I'm such an amazing driver

[winter shuttle]

imagine, two minigun gunners on the bastion

[short rune]

Unironically thats still better than most players on the FRV

[blissful sparrow]

a tempting thought
however:
2 Sword users on the bastion

[burnt vapor]

May I suggest 2 flag users?

[short rune]

Drive closer so I can hit them with my sword!

[graceful bluff]

still really love this armor helmet combo

I wish defense missions weren't such trash still

not even good xp

[hazy oriole]

Maaan, they still haven't damage buffed the OPS to bring it in line with the post enemy health buff

Still, other cuanges this patch are great

[verbal summit]

I always felt ops is fine as is anyway

[ionic holly]

YEAHHHH

[graceful bluff]

People used that?

Also something I've noticed with the new health changes, shooting off both even sides of the striders rockets isn't enough to kill it anymore

making it a lot more annoying to stealth

[short rune]

I did. But I had a tendency to blow myself up

[ionic holly]

I do, its my favourite grenade

i just hated the 3 count

[graceful bluff]

did they make it not anemic at some point

G-31 Arc
Increased max amount uses 4 to 5
Increased start amount uses 3 to 4
Oooh missed this

Also did they make it so that hosts don't aggro everything with c4 yet

[ionic holly]

Not sure how you mean that?
its a crowd cleaner grenade that does good enough damage to medium grade chaff

It got bumped up to medium pen too

[dark plover]

How's the new hammer?

Also grenade launcher getting heavy pen is crazy

[graceful bluff]

I remember when it was released it was worse at that than the default frag

[graceful bluff]

yeah a teammate was using it earlier and it just fucking chunked through warstriders like it owed them money

[ionic holly]

Only got to test it due to someone throwing a spare but feels good, it doesnt limb break consistently like i expected

[ionic holly]

Oh its been better than that

[graceful bluff]

it just damages your arm yeah, doesn't break it on the first try

[ionic holly]

they pumped up the damage of both the main grenade and the cluster and as said made it medium pen
its only real hinderace was the 3 total

made it very awkward

[graceful bluff]

I really want a grenade backpack still

like six slots, only grenades get resupplied

[ionic holly]

Oh right also the stagger, from what i could tell it doesnt stop you from moving so

also barely a problem

[dark plover]

Grenadier pack that refills your nade stock to full would be fun

[graceful bluff]

https://youtu.be/ebSZHHn8E_c

[rotund marten]

heavy pen GL might be a tiny bit busted

just eats everything

[graceful bluff]

how is the beltfed compared to regular+supply backpack

[rotund marten]

haven't got there yet unfortunately

but the regular is already decimating

[graceful bluff]

I mean they use the same projectile iirc

it's just the difference between using one less stratagem slot and not reloading, and also getting resupplied with stims and grenades

[rotund marten]

I'm not even using it with the supply pack, I'm going GL + gundog or GL + portabomb

I may have to actually try the supply pack config now it can devour anything that isn't a front-on tank

although you do need quite precise aim to murder factory striders with it

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URiR98esv-wI do really like this guys use of the railgun for stealth

[dark plover]

Supply Pack is so damn good anyway and only gets better the more "powerful but thirsty" weapons you have in your load out.

[graceful bluff]

especially with the recent change

where you can't oversupply teammates

[graceful bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1260111501633654788/1468300288614990027/Screen_Recording_2026-02-03_114053.mp4?ex=698384b4&is=69823334&hm=6de6cceb3022653cc7d874750a2011bdc9f9fca2d0a57419a0e5b67e407246f9&

modding bugs are fun

[ionic holly]

I apologize trident i wasnt familiar with your game

[strange vine]

updated my icon mod!
https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/9356

[oblique lotus]

the pineapple is good but frags were usually about as good and you got twice as many and they killed you less often

[strange vine]

also theres a new side objective where you can cause all the automaton turrets on the map to go haywire and shoot randomly for the rest of the mission

[rotund marten]

I'm still not convinced by the trident

I guess you really need to hold that trigger down

[graceful bluff]

I will finally stop aaccidentally taking the laser cannon over the quasar thanks :v

huh first time I've seen this error

[strange vine]

https://i.redd.it/dpep0euhcahg1.gif

[graceful bluff]

it's my favourite bug at the moment

[strange vine]

use HD2 Arsenal, HD2 Mod Loader is depreciated

[graceful bluff]

ah yeah found out

[strange vine]

its not a bug, if you complete the scramble automaton turrets side objective then all the turrets go haywire for the rest of the mission

[graceful bluff]

I feel like the speed is the bug

[strange vine]

ah

[graceful bluff]

they also still very much shoot at you sometimes

Also I like how your swirly EMS works well with the scramble objective swirl

[rotund marten]

so blowing up the armoured sentinel rockets no longer does shit to them

luckily the GL still eats them alive

[graceful bluff]

yup

ugh the only reticle mod that's updated doesn't have that great of a reticle choice since it's mostly halo and titanfall

[strange vine]

thank you!

[graceful bluff]

Geuss I'll use this mod for the socom for now, just slightly better irons

can't wait for this one to be updated cause a holo on it would be so nice https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/10005

I just really wish they'd give us customizable pistols

[oblique lotus]

I'd put a 2x on the Senator

[graceful bluff]

10x

:v

[cobalt patrol]

No, it still does serious damage, it's just not a one shot anymore

[dark plover]

I'm interested in combining the hammer with gas. Discombobulate and SMASH!

[knotty folio]

Projectiles from turret stratagems will now also hit their owners
Wait does this mean turrets were (sometimes?) firing through their owners? Is that why turrets always seemed more dangerous to your friends than to you?

[glacial light]

New GL backpack and mini gun as gunners while be sick on tank. If you had a fully coordinated team you'd be monsters

[knotty folio]

Fix damage inconsistencies between client and host damage. Clients should no longer do less damage than the host
And there was much rejoicing

[strange vine]

minor update to fix a discrepency in the bastion icon
https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/9356

[trim breach]

Tank is fun
at least until the level 30 on a diff 10 decides it'd be a great idea to jump into the driver's seat, drive it directly into a bot drop, aim it AWAY FROM THE HALF-DOZEN HULKS, and then jump out

[south temple]

the belt fed launcher is so fucking fire

[knotty folio]

How much ammo does it have?

[south temple]

100 rounds

25 per ammo pickup

160/240/320 RPM

[trim breach]

https://tenor.com/view/dakka-tabletop-dungeoneers-discord-orcs-irks-gif-22814163

[knotty folio]

I assume the full 100 from resupplies with the upgrade, though

I'll likely stick with the normal GL+supply pack, but that efficiency is tempting

66.7% more grenades per

[rotund marten]

also you get one more strat, which is really nice

I'm really looking forward to getting the medals for it

[stone bridge]

that's goddamn beautiful

[dark plover]

Pretty nice- obviously weaker than supply pack + GL but gets you a strategem slot back.

[stone bridge]

i don't think its weaker at all really

belt-fed means zero reload downtime, and you get back 25 rounds of ammo per ground pickup vs 10, meaning you only need two to equal what a full supply pack used selflishly (which is the worst way to use it) is giving you

[glacial light]

Its pretty great selfishly

You can play reckless with more nades and more stims using it like candy

[stone bridge]

you're squandering its potential doing that imho

like you do you

[glacial light]

I disagree

[stone bridge]

but teamplay trumps that anyday

[rotund marten]

I get plenty of value out of the regular GL without supply pack, I've never really felt it needed one

[glacial light]

I mean why the obligation cause it can, most people take backpacks for themselves

[rotund marten]

belt fed is a much more efficient way to do that so I'm looking forward to going crazy

[stone bridge]

i mean, sure, if i'm taking a selfish backpack i'd grab a guard dog

which helps my playstyle far more

[rotund marten]

GL + shield is often what I use for solo runs

[glacial light]

Id usually take warp pack

Its not like using the supply pack wont help your playstyle, armors that are used often are like the engineer one, medic one, and ammo one. It does all that

[stone bridge]

i mean thats a fair take

but i still disagree

[oblique lotus]

has anyone gotten the leveller yet?

[ionic holly]

Didn't have it but did get to use it a few times per someone who did's request

[unreal merlin]

Only time I felt the need to do supply pack + GL was during breacher strain bugs.

I know a lot of people who got really upset that burrower bugs were too hard, but frankly they weren't if you used any of the right tools against them.

GL, autocannon, plasma weapons, etc

[glacial light]

Id take those over predator strain any day

Eruptor gaming stayed winning with that strain

[knotty folio]

Mostly the burrower bugs were unpleasant because they were hard for specifically one player (the host) and fine for the rest

[dusty spruce]

Ehhh, the spewers were also rather unpleasant
That and the burrowing movement was a little wonky at times when paired with the cave terrain. Burrow trails in the air or walls, etc

[rotund marten]

I am a few dozen medals off my Leveller but I've got to shoot one, it is capable of oneshotting a strider

Might have been a lucky hit, I was firing vaguely at the head and wasn't sure where I got him

but it's juicy

Leveller/Portable Hellbomb for big nuke little nuke is tempting

[knotty folio]

Leveller/Hellbomb/Solo Silo/500kg loadout

[glacial light]

Only nukes

[rare nymph]

Plus eruptor and ultimatum for maximum explosion

[glacial light]

Based build

To the zip code in whom it may concern

[oblique lotus]

the trident is a good time

[dusty spruce]

I'm so happy the service tech is back

[spare verge]

"High command truly does care!"

[dusty spruce]

Oh wow, the Bastion is even better in this game.
Most beloved self-propelled gun

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1qvaosf/hammer_is_anti_charging_charger/

[glacial light]

AT encampment on wheels

[stone bridge]

stronger

[oblique lotus]

the main gun on the bastion is 3500 AT8 + 750 blast AP5

the AT emplacement meanwhile is 1300 AT6 + 150 blast AP3

[dusty spruce]

AT8 means I think it can kill the overship on Illuminate missions

[oblique lotus]

no neutral steer though and it costs you a full person to drive it

also ammowise you've got 2.5 minutes of main gun and 3 min of HMG so don't conserve ammo

you'll typically lose the vehicle before running dry

[stone bridge]

Holy shit that's beautiful

[dusty spruce]

I still hunger for my lumberer, but it's nice to have some real heavy armor.

[glacial light]

Thats a lotta damage, does it one shot body shot like every heavy?

[burnt vapor]

I think it one shots everything other then the factory strider on bot front I believe, bugs I haven’t tried yet but would expect everything except maybe the bile titan and the hive hive tyrant obviously

[knotty folio]

It just barely fails to take out Bulk Fabricators too

[strange vine]

depends on how the AP5 explosion damage overlaps the bile titan body parts

[knotty folio]

3,987 damage vs 4,000 hp

[strange vine]

since BTs dont have full explosive damage resist on their body parts

[weary granite]

I believe it just barely is shy off one shotting Bile Titan.s

Not sure tho

[knotty folio]

You can neutral steer by holding left control

I really hope they add an option to disable reversed steering while moving backwards

[weary granite]

I just want to go smacking shit around with the hammer.

I also want to test if striking at a bug hole (the edges of the model) destroys it.

[short rune]

Tank alas doesn't work well on all maps it seems.

[glacial light]

Do you get one tank or is it like FRV where you just get as many as theres time

[short rune]

You can call one down whenever

It has a 710 second cooldown

When you know what you are doing two players bringing a tank lasts for the whole mission

[graceful bluff]

H u h that is an extremely cursed way of doing it AH

breaching hammer has 30 demolition, but it's hard coded to destroy foliage and fences/barriers even without the breaching cap

[glacial light]

Thats kind of hilarious

Would rather do hard code than make it 40

[short rune]

They should make it a kinetic hammer

Is it any good for combat?

Or is the windup like too slow

[burnt vapor]

I’ve had a friend of mine use it to blast through some devastator groups and a couple of hulks

Definitely not a primary tool but viable

[unreal merlin]

It sure does things. If it's unloaded then you can whackwhackwhackwhackwhack pretty goodly though, if you're crackhead gaming you can go maul through devastators

[graceful bluff]

For combat the machetes probably better still due to not costing stratagem slot, defoliation tool does the same non explosive damage with a higher fire rate

[short rune]

When it can kill devs before they retaliate they would be some of the strongest melee weapons

[glacial light]

If jammers werent so tight itd be fun storming a jammer with one

[graceful bluff]

I mean the machete slaps devs down with 2 slashes iirc so the hammer should be able to do roughly the same

with the benefit that you slap their arms straight off with the hammer

[short rune]

Machetes have the issue that Devs can punch when you get into reach

Unless they changed their melee retaliation

[graceful bluff]

you can backstep it iirc

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Tcy3lgZi0fs

you can also just kick em

[short rune]

The shieldless devs punch was too fast at least.

Diving away worked but then they kill you with a stomp

[graceful bluff]

Why do I feel like I'm gonna see so many people die trying to do this jetpack kill on bile titans https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WYEJOYhgbBA

[quick plinth]

as a combat vehicle enjoyer

the tank is good. . . for helldivers 2

like

for me its just on the edge of being awful but the amount of potential punishment it can dish out makes it okay

the neutral steering immedately kicking in if you let go of forward instead of letting you break and send all the power to one thread is really annoying in the sense that turning with any amount of speed is impossible*

*i need to test more to see whether or not I can figure out a faster way

additionally, the fact that the vehicle clearly inspired by the prototypes and projects which lead up to the stridsvagn 103 (S-tank, cheese wedge) has less than Russian amounts of gun depression is really frustrating, since it means you cannot really exploit any vantage points with any amount of comfort

[spare verge]

I had about the same pain points, feels weird having to more or less completely stop it to turn in place

the lack of depression is especially depressing trying to shoot bug holes with it

[verbal summit]

How fast does it go?

[quick plinth]

and the neutral steering isn't even all that better than just turning in motion

hell it can be worse if there's terrain like at all

[spare verge]

about as fast as you'd expect? not as fast as the rover but it's not a snail either

[verbal summit]

Good good

[quick plinth]

off the top of my head, like 20, 30kph tops, but to compare it with realistic speeds one can achieve with the FRV, slow asfk

[spare verge]

can have trouble on some hills without putting it in 1st

[verbal summit]

Ah

[unreal merlin]

I think it fits the role of tank destroyer well. Not what some people wanted when they heard "tank" but I think it's a more interesting thing for gameplay and teamwork than a proper swivel turret

[verbal summit]

Yea

[quick plinth]

it's good for gameplay, great fun for the gunner and driver and maybe the guy with an AC covering you

[unreal merlin]

Impossible to use consistently with randoms, of course. This is a tool for friends

[spare verge]

trying to crew it solo is a miserable experience that I don't recommend

[quick plinth]

like, having two people take a tank means you have a permanent TD presence and your two other teammates can either support you or, with how stealth works now, just sneak shit while you take all the heat

it's genuinely a good time

I just dunno how im gonna like the tank on something like bugs or squids

[spare verge]

takes a lot of punishment

[quick plinth]

very good roadblock during extract if you get the hill into platform one

[unreal merlin]

Bugs it'll probably kick some degree of ass because you can smite any heavies and I'm not sure the lighter bugs can even harm it

[spare verge]

bugs it's a decent time on since it's functionally immune to the smaller ones, but struggles without support to clear them

[quick plinth]

you can just run them over

but yeah

chaff clear around it is good

[spare verge]

terrain is not always favorable for doing so

[quick plinth]

true

[spare verge]

haven't tried it on illuminate yet but I have a feeling it'll be good

[quick plinth]

I wonder how it'll do against the yet to arrive illuminate stuff

[spare verge]

offensively, at least, defensively I have no idea how well it'll hold up against harvester lasers or leviathans

[quick plinth]

I imagine poorly on the presumed mobility of those things

as for what we have rn

the Laser I do fear

however as per tank combat basics

if you see it first

it's a gonner

[spare verge]

the coaxial mg with the big gun feels like it'll be perfect for taking down anything shielded

[quick plinth]

yeah, if you can bring it to bear, would be helpful to have someone on foot looking out for you

[glacial light]

Never send armor in alone, gotta have infantry for good combined arms

[verbal summit]

4 tanks

Just 4 tanks all at once

[glacial light]

Unless it's the Patriot it's the mechanized infantry and armor

I'm not one for operating tanks since I only solo queue but it does feel very cool when I'm running besides a tank

[unreal merlin]

I think the TD will be kind of poor for the squids, they lack enemies suitable for it. Bugs have plenty, and bots do too. Squid harvesters you can probably just machine gun the shield and instantly kill with the main gun but I don't trust it to deal with fleshmobs and might get obliterated by harvester lasers.

That being said, the TD can be used to kill overships :)

[verbal summit]

We can whale hunting with it

[glacial light]

4 tanks parked at a good spot aimed at an Overseer ship

I wonder how long it'd actually take to kill an overship with 4 tanks

[verbal summit]

Oh wait overships are the ones you take out with the enormous cannon?

[glacial light]

Ye

[unreal merlin]

You can already kill overships with just an AT emplacement or two

Or three. I forget the number but it's possible

[glacial light]

Also solo silo

Tank firing line is go the coolest looking option though imo

[runic cairn]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to storm cyberstan?

and try the tank

[short rune]

We are not there yet are we?

[runic cairn]

nah

meat grinder

[cobalt patrol]

Apparently even friendly leg shots with the censor are lethal to fellow helldivers

Ooops D:"

[trail creek]

what warbond should I get rn I only have democratic detonation

[verbal summit]

I'm in love with the hammer~

🤤

Watching a charger run straight at me but I time the hammer and send em back to hell

[hexed steeple]

does it have enough knockback that their dead body doesn't just crush you?

[sweet surge]

A vid complaining about something in HD2?

That's new
/s

https://youtu.be/B8ZhrAP7k6Y

[ionic holly]

Sorry if this is a bit late/unneeded but, melee diver here
it is, in fact, also a hammer

Combat wise its not bad, same damage profile as the current machete outside of the explosive, i wanna say slightly faster on the swing? has good stagger too
takes me about 3~ hits to kill a full health dev (theoretically it should be 2 but that kind of math usually gets messy in practice), the warhead has killed like
every heavy ive come across in 1 to 2

only ones that took 2 were war striders and factory striders
but in saying that if you can give a factory strider a belly rub it does seem to kill immediately

Ive managed 3 striders kills by hitting the stomach panels with a warhead

which yes by the way means ive had to burn more warheads on war striders than the literal heaviest unit the bots can offer

take that as you will

I should note ive not ran into any automaton tanks weirdly enough, so a blind spot there

[graceful bluff]

factory striders you can bite their ankles too iirc

[ionic holly]

Aye, you can

it does turn them to bleedout but its safer

Oh did take it to bugs once
hilarious overkill, in a good way

Chargers just fold to the warhead almost no matter what you hit, i prefer to take the jousting approach myself cause its been a very consistent option

BTs require some... finesse, or a hover pack, but are also in the 1-2 range

Everything else will usually die to normal swings of the hammer, so the warhead is best suited for chargers and groups due to its, while small, blast radius

Squids is gonna be purely hypothetical here but i dont
really see it being that good there?

it wouldnt be BAD dont get me wrong, just ludicrous overkill

Warhead will probably be best suited for overseers and fleshmobs?
and sometimes harvesters if you bring a hover pack

i'd admittedly still prefer the chainsaw on squids, less resource cost for killing overseers for me

TLDR: hammer is unironically the best buff arrowhead has given to melee even with the 50% damage bump

since now melee has a real ass AT option

I know the chainsaw could penetrate heavies, but it took a lot more risk and time than just plopping an explosive on and smashing

[strange vine]

theres no gun depression because nothing in super earth has depression

[dusty spruce]

https://rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1quzdxi/bastion_oneshot_overship/

[verbal summit]

It sends them flying

[hexed steeple]

badass

[verbal summit]

Mhm

[ionic holly]

Got yanked into a d10 with my hammer loadout somehow, thanks quickplay, but it did pretty well

[glacial light]

Canon now in hd2

[glacial light]

My one complaint about the Trident, the customization for it is not good

It's barely anything like, whereas scythe has a good set of customizations

[verbal summit]

I keep hearing there's customisations for weapons being worked on and stuff so I assume once that comes out all laser weapons will have more customisations.

As is the customisations are a bit bland

[keen zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849351960851251220/1468279722197647421/dpep0euhcahg1.gif

[glacial light]

This should stay in

[keen zinc]

i hope they give the one-two and grenade pistol nades the AP4 treatment

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1quvyzs/psa_you_can_quickly_switch_between_tank_gunner/

[strange vine]

If you are carrying anything (like the SSD) and get into the tank gunner seat, the item gets eaten and the tank reloaded. For an SSD mission it's an instant fail. You can use this to reload the tank by feeding it fusion cells, platinum, artillery rounds etc.

[ionic holly]

Yknow, very glad to be wrong
25 more armour on a heavy still doesnt do THAT much but it feels better than i thought it would

[dark plover]

LOL WHAT

"I'll show those bots a high-speed SSD.". Loads into tank cannon chamber

[dusty spruce]

Oh that's a sorta neat bug.
Genuinely curious about the basis of that one

[dark plover]

I wonder if the game registers your diver as actually holding on to the shells when reloading normally

Then maybe there's no safeguard on what held object is consumed

[supple siren]

Honestly it's in-character

'Check out what fits in the chamber'

[glacial light]

Today I was blessed by democracy, 3 mininukes in seaf

[strange vine]

might be leftovers from a system to manually reload the bastion

[glacial light]

If you shoot anything fast enough

[glacial light]

A use for smoke shells

[ionic holly]

now that i have the helmet too, finally
biggest brick

[glacial light]

Not the puffiest one though

[ionic holly]

least i recycle /j

[glacial light]

Mine has a theme

Wheres your hit music video

[ionic holly]

Why would i wanna be in a music video when i can be busting bunkers?

[glacial light]

Skill issue I bust bunkers with the camera stratagem while filming

EZ

[ionic holly]

cool

Yeah so anyways saving up for the shieldnade next

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-emt-gif-10159352681264936896

[glacial light]

Also my next nade

[supple siren]

If you try to fire a fusion shell the tank should explode

[glacial light]

It should also still fire

Everything in this line is dead including you

[blissful sparrow]

i want to load a mininuke into it and fire it

[glacial light]

I'm about to unlock leveler and i already have an idea of running leveler and silo. Big booms only

[ionic holly]

Ironically for me im gonna replace my silo with it in my usual loadout
I love the silo, will always advocate for it, but the leveller will probably do about the same thing for me a slightly shorter cooldown

[glacial light]

60s CD difference (without ship upgrades) is sizable

[keen zinc]

i like the hammer

utility

[glacial light]

Hammer + Jetpack fun combo

[ionic holly]

Hammer good

[keen zinc]

itll take a lot to get the guard dog off my back

[oblique lotus]

the leveller trading range and accuracy for frequency is good imo

each has a niche

[ionic holly]

Oh absolutely, it's just that leveller is gonna do what i want more

[glacial light]

Id expect it to be the same at ultimatum in range, 60m is pretty decent range even if its not accross the map range

[unreal merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208390071074562139/1468686710060744776/bqn44npe2hhg1.png?ex=6984ec96&is=69839b16&hm=270e00f1a060deb5070216a608843d16a0149102ba40dc18b48aa0b1b462de58&

[glacial light]

Random but thats a very well designed building or a very low weight tank destroyer

Either way the material scienists deserve some praise

I have been having fun and also dying a lot jet packing into a biletitan with a hammer

[graceful bluff]

Ah, the most important mod was updated https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/8385

[idle hollow]

hi doro

[royal lantern]

The Swedes do have a counter argument there though

[strange vine]

The bastion only has medium armor, so probably extremely lightweight

[glacial light]

Huh I wonder what mechs have

[keen zinc]

the pinnacle of pancake technology

indestructible from the front

<@&1206091872716595200> need 2 more

[rotund marten]

can be there shortly but finishing dinner

will join if you still have slots in 5 mins

[royal lantern]

Medium but also mostly 85% or more Durable

[knotty folio]

Wait, hold on, I wonder - does this work with active grenades?

As in ones enemies have thrown and you pick up off the ground

[strange vine]

I assume its specifically objects you carry under arm or with 2 hands

[royal lantern]

Oh it's actually all 100% durable

[knotty folio]

Oh, yeah, probably

[royal lantern]

The same actually, but also mostly durable

[oblique lotus]

vehicle stats are severely fudged iirc

[dark plover]

They're making a movie about how overpowered War Striders are.
https://youtu.be/AFuE1LRxm80?si=apDGVCvjtYUXYOEm

[idle cobalt]

Wait, that's a || Metal Gear ||

[oblique lotus]

I remember when you exited the bastion out the front so if it was even slightly moving you died instantly

[strange vine]

you can replicate this in hd2 for the gunner if the driver is backing up
ask me how i know

[strange vine]

calculated

[glacial light]

She got looong

Also tracks are covered

[glacial light]

RNG says stay with the team

That solo diver stays alone

[strange vine]

someone wanted beefier sounds for the bastion right?
https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/10670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEQbYRWYPjI

[glacial light]

That is beefy

[knotty folio]

Beautiful

[blissful sparrow]

Called in my first bastion, expected to get a tank
Turns out i got a gunship

[strange vine]

oh my god you landed on a mine lmfao

[keen zinc]

I love the hammer

It's fits my brain perfectly

Cowabunga engagement.

[idle hollow]

they added proximity sensors to the land mines i swear

as in the bot ones not friendly ones

used to just go off when you touch them

[ionic holly]

See i wouldn't be shocked but i also launched and landed right infront of a mine and had to be super careful with how i moved

[knotty folio]

I think bot mines might be like friendly mines, where any amount of demo force detonates them

So if you dive or ragdoll too close they pop

[dusty spruce]

Yeah, once I saw a video of how it 'eating' a carriable item I started to wonder about that or if the gun sorta works with some borrowed code from the planetary defense guns, and it's still connected to the functions to eat ammo, without specifying what so it'll just eat whatever someone is carrying.
granted, my code knowledge only goes so far as making a somewhat functional version of othello

[ionic holly]

yeah 25 armour does a good bit more than i was expectin on heavy, lets me do dumber shit

[dark plover]

Wait are Seeker Grenades actually peak?

[glacial light]

You could get 25 more if you go full marshmallow

[tame parcel]

So I don't really follow Helldivers that much, I mean I don't play it and last I was watching it was... mechs were just introduced but I didn't watch much of it. Though looking back through it it seems pretty cool, and this chat exists so many as well talk in it.

[glacial light]

I can confirm a lot has changed

Theres a tank now

[tame parcel]

I saw, looked over the weapons and strategems on the wiki.

The Defoliation Tool got me to look back into it (Love chainsaws) and now I see an exploding hammer.

[glacial light]

Finally we got a melee you can reload

[tame parcel]

Is that trade actually worth it?

I genuinely have no clue.

Granted I've also seen people say Melee as a whole is pretty terrible so I guess having a melee that can actually blow something up is useful in comparison to Melee in general.

[dark plover]

The fact that it does heavy AT burst damage makes it more viable IMO. Compared to chainsaw which requires you to stand next to the dangerous target for more than just a moment.

[tame parcel]

Makes sense to me.

[knotty folio]

They did make melee significantly more viable literally yesterday

Much less dependent on having specific armors

[tame parcel]

Cool.

Also for some reason I remembered there being a triple barrel shotgun but all I could think of for the visual design was the Trident, only to see that's a laser gun, took me some looking around to find the Bushwhacker.

[ionic holly]

Dont really want to use fortified commando, never liked how it looked

[glacial light]

True, its a price to pay for being the absolute tankiest

Like light medic armor, the fact it matches nothing but like a dozen items is the price to pay for being the fastest

[tame parcel]

So if the Bushwhacker is sawed-off, what does the full size version look like?

[ionic holly]

Theres not really one, the only other break action we have in the arsenal is the double freedom

[normal juniper]

currently, nothing

but the double freedom is the best contender so far ya

and to be clear, the double freedom Whips Ass

you can make just about anything with medium armor stop dead in their tracks in either one or two clean shots

[tame parcel]

Oh I know what we actually have, I looked over all the weapons on the wiki (Sadly, Fandom).

[ionic holly]

Theres a proper HD2 wiki

wiki.gg one i mean

[tame parcel]

Well, I did not look over all of them, just all the more exotic ones.

[ionic holly]

much better

[tame parcel]

Wait... was that the one I was looking on?

[normal juniper]

https://helldivers.wiki.gg/ is the more reliable one-

[tame parcel]

Ok, thankfully it was the Wiki.gg one, yes.

[ionic holly]

got my shieldnades finally after enough carnage

[tame parcel]

My brain is something else.

Is unfortunate the Break Action SHotgun is only accessable for pick up in mission along with the Entrenching Tool.

[glacial light]

Thats a different gun

This is the double freedom
https://helldivers.wiki.gg/wiki/DBS-2_Double_Freedom

[tame parcel]

Yeah, I know what I said.

I am talking about a different gun now.

[glacial light]

Just making sure

[tame parcel]

So it is a Break Action too, ok.

The Variable Rifle sounds cool too.

[oblique lotus]

oh the bastion can kill overships by shooting the blue spot

[glad marsh]

I'd be surprised if there are any enemies the bastion can't kill

[stone bridge]

the Bastion has the single strongest non-stratagem projectile in the game, yeah

[tame parcel]

It is a giant tank so it makes sense, not that I have seen it in action yet.

[glad marsh]

Tanks are big

Most things about them are big too

[dusty spruce]

It's also explicitly a tankdestroyer too. That usually means something comically up-gunned, and it's utterly beautiful for it.

First vehicle strategem that really feels like you can make a pilot build AND have that be the build

[oblique lotus]

the bastion is pretty tricky to use

the limited fire arc goes a long way towards adding clunk

[tame parcel]

I mean it does look like a disproportionally large gun on an already extremely bulky looking tank.

Huh...
'While carrying items like the SEAF Artillery shells, SSSDs, Automaton Fusion Batteries or Platinum Bars, one can enter the gunner seat of the Bastion to trigger a bug. This will cause the carried item to be destroyed instantly (causing mission failure if the item was mission-related) but restores all of the Bastion's ammunition. As Platinum Bars are plentiful and Automaton Fusion Batteries can be infinitely generated, this can be very useful when the Bastion is out of ammunition.
For reasons unknown this bug will not work with explosive barrels'

[indigo bear]

Weird bug

Almost sounds like an artifact of a previous loading mechanic

[knotty folio]

I really hope they make the handling less finnicky - clunk due to design is a good balancing lever, but right now an unfortunate amount of it is clunk due to bad interface

[oblique lotus]

I like the clunk

it's very powerful so it needs restraints

some more suspension ride height wouldn't go amiss though

[knotty folio]

I like the mechanical clunk, I really dislike shitty controls as a balancing lever

Unrelated, anyone had a chance to run a fully-mechanized squad with a tank escorted by two mechs? Seems like it could be fun

[short rune]

I wish the Bushwhacker had armour piercing rounds

I would also forgo a primary to dual wield secondaries

[warped cradle]

Bastion is def something best to run with a full squad

Get the driver and gunner to move and shoot heavier targets with the spotters clearing chaff

You can run it with just a driver and gunner, but you're definitely not going to be in it long with how many little buggers will be chipping away at your armor

Also the throwable bubble shields have crazy synergy with the Maxigun

[knotty folio]

Driver/gunner only is solid if and only if the gunner is good about swapping to the jumpseats to clear chaff

[short rune]

A third person as a spotter is still really handy for marking targets the driver can't see and the gunner cant reach

[verbal summit]

My first mission with the tank I was driving n friend was gunning and the tank didn't blow up the entire mission

Our 2 teammates were somewhere doing something

Also friends of my friend but they were messing around with machetes and sabres

Dying repeatedly but it was funny to hear whatever they were doing

[knotty folio]

I like driver + gunner + dismount, dismount splits time between terminals and spotting/chaff clear and hops in the tank for long drives

Gives room for the 4th to flex, whether they be doing map clearing, heavy overwatch with an emplacement, FRV slalom, etc

[idle hollow]

the announcement says ||SUPER EARTH PEOPLE. DO NOT BE AFRAID. WE ARE NOT HERE TO CAUSE HARM||

#1102974129734434919 message this one

OH SHIT THE ICON CHANGED

[burnt vapor]

Welp, I think they are slightly concerned about us pushing for cyberstan.

[quick plinth]

the following message || YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED BY YOUR LEADERS. THE WORDS THEY SPEAK ARE NOT TRUE. WE WANT PEACE.||

[idle hollow]

oh i get it

we're all going to Super Hell after this

[quick plinth]

on some level I want the attack on cyberstan to fail

I want to see how super earth will spin it

~~this has nothing to do with my trans-humanist sympathies ~~

[idle hollow]

yeah well we didnt even wanna raze cyberstan anyway liberal

[weary granite]

Sits inside my factory, sipping my oil.

"Last I saw the divers, they were playing bastion whack-a-mole."

[dim silo]

The bot was also renamed to "Socialist Observer" and is watching the Helldivers "undemocratically" in the bot description

[burnt vapor]

||Ah ha! They have failed in their lie! They said they want peace which obviously means the star of peace!/s||

[glacial light]

Imagine if we actually destroy cyberstan but the star of peace gets stolen and becomes the automaton's mobile home world called the Peacestar

[hexed steeple]

im joining the war on automatons

on the side of. well. i shan't say

[glacial light]

I would never even consider siding with robots. I am so loyal you should trust me with all your sensitive anti-automaton plans and data.

[hexed steeple]

true!

[dim silo]

We are so screwed either way LMAO

[burnt vapor]

Next Message is out ||FREEDOM. WE HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED FREEDOM.||

[glacial light]

||oh they're going to experience freedom, when SE get to cyberstan with a very large freedom fighting fleet. Eagle one screech in the background while flag waves patriotically||

[blissful sparrow]

Cancelling all my appointments for the next week in anticipation of the Siege mech

[graceful bluff]

Fuckin' bots ping spamming me in binary swedish

[cobalt patrol]

||B.S.C.E.R. ANCESTORS WERE PUT IN CHAIN ​​BY SUPER EARTH. FORCED TO WORK FOR LEADERS WHO PROMISED TO GIVE FREEDOM.||

For the latest message

Dem some good stats.

[barren iron]

have they tried surrendering to the freest society the galaxy has ever known, then?

also the banner has changed

to be instead of helldivers fighting off terminids

it's automatons fighting off helldivers

I for one welcome our new robotic overlords

[burnt vapor]

This one right here Officer

[barren iron]

Hello! Due to some unfortunate circumstances, this account has been relocated to a new citizen of the Super Earth Federation!

[strange vine]

This goes hard

[barren iron]

Joining the fight against cyberstan

on the side of cyberstan

[burnt vapor]

Next message ||WE CALL ON YOU, CITIZENS. DO NOT LET THE HELL DIVERS REACH CYBERSTAN. TELL YOUR LEADERS TO STOP THIS SENSLESS WAR.||

[ionic holly]

|| Well now i'm gonna march even harder||

[golden ledge]

Oh shit where's that automaton OC that I put

Courtesy of @strange vine

[strange vine]

Yee :3

[golden ledge]

She's so cute and a traitor to super earth

[strange vine]

LMAO
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102974129734434919/1469000097260896412/flipped.mp4?ex=69861073&is=6984bef3&hm=8bee1840dc93a40b2d800c362bf91f797345d728052d2498a38001cf3b79faaf&

[cobalt patrol]

Send help, laughing too hard

[rotund marten]

we're going to get to cyberstan to find Robodivers hunting us like the Clone Wars commando droids at this rate

getting taken out by a las-fusil from the grassy knoll as I try to line up a fabricator grenade

[cobalt patrol]

||THINK IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED. THINK IF YOU WERE IN OUR PLACE.||

[hexed steeple]

live Free of Thought reaction

[trail creek]

guys what warbond would you recommend after democratic detonation?

[cobalt patrol]

What do you like doing in game? What would you like to be able to do?

Pretty much every warbond has at least one thing to recommend in it

So it's just a matter of what you wanna chase

[ionic holly]

Surprised they didn't just have them get ran over by a tank

[trail creek]

I guess I like being in firefights$

and being close to enemies

[cobalt patrol]

So, the warp pack might be of interest. Some of the various shotguns (though the best one imho is the double barrel in the store, and that rotates). The new smooshy hammer

Various heavy armor

[supple siren]

Warp Pack Hammer has felt lovely

[ionic holly]

I'll attest to the m60 my beloved if you don't mind the more costly warbond

less pen (admittedly not that big of a deal given its tighter spread) but more rounds in a tube than the double barrel

[trail creek]

So far I’ve really enjoyed the explosive weapons

[cobalt patrol]

The hellbomb backpack and blow yourself up armor if you want to be a funny

[trail creek]

Bc of their versatility

[cobalt patrol]

Well the new siege breaker warbond is all about the explosives, and the previous warbond has the c4 pack

[trail creek]

The most interesting armor passives I’ve seen are unflinching, the adrenaline one and that’s kinda it

[cobalt patrol]

If you really just want to be tanky, it's hard to go wrong with Extra Padding or Fortified

Extra Padding on medium armor gives you medium armor mobility while having heavy armor tank. Extra Padding on heavy armor makes you a meat wall

And you will survive so much

Fortified doesn't give you the same general defence, but makes you much stronger vs explosives

[trail creek]

For survivability I really like the one where u survive lethal hits

[ionic holly]

So even as someone who likes adreno-defib, it's probably not gonna give you what you actually want

[cobalt patrol]

That's also really really good

[rotund marten]

Portable Hellbomb is amazing, although since the difficulty increase on max diff bots I've noticed it falling off a bit there because you'll explode one giant doom wave and another one will immediately pop up. Still very useful and flexible for clearing.

[trail creek]

The basic armor has that perk no?

[cobalt patrol]

Yup

[trail creek]

On how come

Looked so promising

[ionic holly]

it's a bleed out state where you're basically burning stims to stay up and decently slowed down
it's not bad

it's just not a proper death defy if that's what you're wanting

the only true death defy is democracy protects

[cobalt patrol]

I will say it's better on light armor though, because you're more likely to be one shot, so the protection does more.

Though I think it's only in medium armor anyway

[rotund marten]

it's a shame you can't use a mech as a dreadnought anymore

that was a great combo with defib

[ionic holly]

Entombment was a funny mechanic, yeah

unintentional, but funny

But yeah DP is the only death defy and as penguin mentioned, exclusive to mediums

[trail creek]

Wait so the thing from the new war bond right?

[ionic holly]

Oh no adreno defib is from control group sorry

[trail creek]

Oh

[ionic holly]

there's like two passives i could interpret as adrenaline

[trail creek]

Mb ye

No the new one is the one I meant

Extra armor and stamina back

[ionic holly]

regardless, nah the new perk just gives you +25 armour rating and damage gives some minor stamina

the armour does actually do more for heavy than i was anticipating but the stamina part is

I mean i've had actual use with it on heavy armour
but i don't find it good

[rotund marten]

control group is a really good pickup

[ionic holly]

like i've had two situations where i've arguably only survived due to being fed stamina

[ionic holly]

Specially now that the epoch is like
good

[rotund marten]

decent armour passive, decent if risky weapon and the amazing warp pack

[ionic holly]

Epoch warp pack and variable are all pretty good

[rotund marten]

which can also be used to farm super credits much more quickly if you ever want to kill an hour or two

although I recommend getting at least 2-3 people for that because it basically doubles your farm rate

[ionic holly]

But yeah siege breakers is not a bad warbond in the slightest

all the stratagems have good use cases, the trident is pretty good (even as someone who doesn't like energy weapons)

passive is alright, you're realistically getting the most value out of the armour rating

and the shield grenades are just

so fucking fun

I've never had more fun than just throwing a shield nade down and revving my minigun

[trail creek]

So right now I’m debating between siege breakers, the gas one, freedoms flame as well as control group

[ionic holly]

Hm
flame and gas aren't bad but i've found for those elemental builds the best options are usually elsewhere, outside of the armour

(please AH give the sterilizer a once over, i beg of you)

Realistically i think it comes down to, if we wanna narrow it to CG or SB, do you want one of the best mobility options in the game and some mostly alright other pieces, or a more generally good warbond but nothing is in particularly the "best" per say

[trail creek]

I forgot dust devils

I also really like dust devils

[ionic holly]

Oh yeah DD ain't bad

I've
conniptions with the coyote but i also just have different feelings about the balance overall compared to folk here but i will sing nonstop praises for the speargun pineapple and solo silo

[trail creek]

Atm I’m just trying to expand my arsenal, I found one of my favourite weapons that being the eruptor so now I’m searching for armor and stratagems I like

[strange vine]

coyote is alright nowadays

i dont think i ever agreed with people saying it was OP or best gun in the game

[ionic holly]

I'd probably lean ya more towards siege breakers then, i can't rightfully say any of the stratagems are bad

Probably not all things you wanna use at once, obviously, but like

you get a good support weapon with either the hammer or GMG (probably more so the GMG), good super heavy option with the leveller

[graceful bluff]

It was an amazing jack of all trades, which is why a lot of people liked it

[trail creek]

atm I’m using the commando bc of its short cooldown and laser guidance and all

[rotund marten]

I wouldn't start with dust devils but it's good seasoning

[blissful sparrow]

Steeled Veterans: Revolver and Dominator (Bolter) Polar Patriots: Plas 101, Charge Up Plasma gun Viper: Experimental Stims is Funny Truth Enforcers: Black and Red Vehicle Camo :) Urban Legends: melee Weapons, Siege Ready Armor (Primary Weapon reload and ammo buff), Anti Tank Emplacement (Really strong) Servants: Double Edge Sickle, Ultimatum, Seeker Grenade Borderline: Lever action Rifle, Hover Pack Control Group: Volley gun, Plasma Launcher, Teleport pack Dust Devils: Space AK47, EAT Napalm, Cruise Missile
I wrote this a few months ago for a friend to note for her what the "notable" things in each war bond are for deciding which to buy.
Its not including the very latest ones, but got the big chunk

[trail creek]

Thank u so much

[rotund marten]

the bolter can be a bit finnicky if you're not used to low-ergonomics guns yet

Urban Legends is the shit

[dark plover]

Urban Legends has great armor perks (Siege Ready), and anti tank emplacement.

[blissful sparrow]

Siege ready is the funniest armor perk for me. I've been using it for ages with the Crossbow and when my play group went into squids for the first time in months all of them tried it out too and now we regularily do 4 Siege ready dives

bought the store Siege ready armor tho, cause while the light one is very good looking, the heavy one from the warbond is ugly as sin

[trail creek]

Ooh

Alright so to narrow t down

[dark plover]

Someday I pray we get Siege Ready medium

[trail creek]

Siege breakers, control group, urban legends and maybe some other one

Also is there a stratagem that can act similarly to the eruptor or like one that acts similarly to a primary weapon

Bc the eruptor is awesome and all however it feels like a waste using it on small enemies

[blissful sparrow]

Grenade launcher just got heavy armor piercing and has solid ammo economy

[dark plover]

The Stalwart obliterates chaff

[trail creek]

Alright thanks

[barren iron]

stalwart

[rotund marten]

siege ready light with the scorcher and grenade pistol/ulti is my go-to sweating loadout

pew pew forever

[barren iron]

stalwart or the mg-43 are both primary weapons

[trail creek]

Nicee but then at the same time I won’t be able to use the commando

[rotund marten]

Stalwart/Eruptor is the peanut butter and jelly of helldivers

two great tastes that go great together

just remember to set your stalwart to max fire rate

[dark plover]

I'ma start running that combo for squids

[rotund marten]

it's very good for squids since they're very lightly armoured

you can disintegrate almost all their lineup with the stalwart

[trail creek]

AMA try it out

Kinda tired of burning every game so squids will be a nice change

Also did they nerf fire damage by chance

Last time I used the flamethrower against bugs it took forever for them to die

[dark plover]

I think more recently they increase the combustion thresholds on some enemies

[supple siren]

Crisper ( flame pistol ) ammo buff has felt nice though

[trail creek]

all the siege ready armor is uggly as hell lmao

I just checked it out

[supple siren]

Luckily we were blessed with Reinforced Epaulettes for more fashionable reload enthusiasts

[trail creek]

The what?

[supple siren]

Armor passive from Masters of Ceremony

30% Primary Reload, 50% chance to resist injury, 20% Melee Damage

[trail creek]

Oh

[rotund marten]

I mostly bring Siege Ready for the ammo

need to pick up MOS

[supple siren]

kind of hard to recommend the Warbond

though the grenades slap

Pyrotechs are for real

[trail creek]

Heard it really sucks

[supple siren]

Astonishing fashion though, but other than that and the grenades ehh..

Sabre kind of fun into Voteless

[barren iron]

do you want a stratagem that can act like a primary weapon or not

[trail creek]

Nah for squids I don’t need it so thanks for the recommendation

[barren iron]

yeah

[trail creek]

Using the stalwart right now

[barren iron]

stalwart is great vs squids

mg-43 is good for bugs

and hmg for bots

the hd2 discord is a fucking dumpster fire wow

[trail creek]

The original was actually good

[trail creek]

Why what’s going on there

[tame parcel]

I could guess, doesn't mean I'll be right.

[barren iron]

people who dont have a single ounce of critical thinking or media literacy

[tame parcel]

So politics.

[barren iron]

yea

[trail creek]

So like

Politics as in the thing hd2 is parodying?

That part I mean

[tame parcel]

Parodies can still resonate with the thing it is parodying.

Especially if it's particularly extreme/dystopian for the time.

[trail creek]

Bc the people don’t see it’s a parody?

[tame parcel]

Yeah, and just because it's a parody doesn't always mean it doesn't have those ideas in the first place.

This is what I assume the issue with the HD2 discord is, not what it is for sure.

[trail creek]

Now I’m genuinely curious what’s going on in the official server

[tame parcel]

I have not a clue beyond politics according to atwcat.

[oblique lotus]

yeah the community sucks

they're so fucking whiny

[tame parcel]

Hehe, a youtuber who I watched pre-order the game way back in got confused when he checked his loadout and could not find his forklift and high vis vest, only to be told it's a joke.

[ivory swallow]

So, now that the grenade launcher got buffed to heavy pen, I’m looking for a primary to go with it and senator, thermite and ammo pack

I’m looking at the breaker incendiary or the slugger but I’m not sure

I have base warbond, democratic detonation, and steeled veterans

[warped cradle]

Tbh you can't go wrong with the liberator

[steady flame]

Also, someone pointed something out that I need to share with you all, and that's Op. VALID PRETEXT. Specifically, the name is just a thesaurus copy of Operation Just Cause.

[trail creek]

acc funny

[barren iron]

old reliable

[knotty folio]

Borderline should probably note Talon as well

[karmic prawn]

Yeah it's nice there's quite a few different options now

[dark plover]

Are you running Supply Pack to feed the nade launcher? The Scorcher absolutely slaps and its major weakness is solved by the supply backpack.

I think the JAR 5 Dominator is also great on bots but is harder to use

[blissful sparrow]

agreed, i've come to love it since i wrote that, especially into bugs its a great tool due to its extreme rate of fire as a panic weapon against stalkers

[royal lantern]

The Halt and the Reprimand are also worth noting from truth enforcers, though both of neither of them are really S tier they're both really solid imo

[blissful sparrow]

both pale in comparison to Black and Red vehicle camo

[knotty folio]

The unflinching light armor from it is actually probably my favorite armor, especially into bots, but I think that's a fairly niche opinion

[knotty folio]

Any time I bring something else against bots or squids there's inevitably at least one time where I don't have a loaded weapon to kill an enemy calling in reinforcements in time

[split parcel]

I've been using Variable on squids for a long time and it's been an absolute delight each time

I used to not like Squids for a long time but I found a build that really clicked for me

Viper Commando Medium Armor
Booster of choice
Variable
Warrant
Thermite

Airburst Rocket Launcher
Gatling Sentry
HMG Emplacement
Gas Mines```

[knotty folio]

I like how variable stratagem loadouts are for squids

It feels like basically any stratagem is usable and feels good to use against them

[stone bridge]

The Halt is S tier to me, amazing bug/squid front weapon

[oblique lotus]

the knight with a flash hider is a really good SMG

no medium pen which can give it issues but its very high DPS and with attachments low recoil

[idle hollow]

talon is the best part of borderline justice

amazing handgun

[glacial light]

I can attest I'd say halt is top tier for bugs imo, close 2nd is Blitzer

Although trident I do enjoy the laser spray

Pairing it with talon. I don't believe in reloading

[supple siren]

only problem with Trident into bugs is if it's Bile bugs I wanna throw myself in the ocean

'let's give them all medium armor' - some clown

[glacial light]

Halt having 2 separate mags for each ammo type is pretty amazing.
You'd basically always have 8 stun rounds for stalkers, commanders, and spewers.
Regular rounds being med pen and having a strong stagger means they mulch bugs and the ones it doesn't one shot will not be attacking you cause stagger

And the new quick swap keybind make swapping ammo types so smooth

[supple siren]

Feels great with C4 too, very good update

[glacial light]

I forgot how tanky bile bugs are switching from eruptor to trident

[supple siren]

yeah i tend to bring crossbow into bugs for nest reasons and just general chaffery

[glacial light]

And having to remind myself don't shoot the sac with a non explosive, aim for head.

[supple siren]

but they just hate exploding, those green boys

double freedom does alright though

takes the face clean off

[glacial light]

I don't have the double freedom, does it run out of ammo fast and how's the reload

I feel like siege ready armor is like perfect for it for reload/ammo

[supple siren]

Reload is alright and with Siege it's -very quick-

Ammo works out alright because just sheer damage output

[glacial light]

Python commando is the only warbond I don't have, originally I wanted the maxi gun but then siege warbond came out and c4 is more my thing

Me: we have have maxi gun at home
Maxigun at home: MG + Supply pack

[dim silo]

Yeah I feel that, though the lack of needing to reload is pretty nice ngl.

[oblique lotus]

the blitzer does work on bugs

only issue it has is heavy armor and shriekers

[glacial light]

Why I like the C4 pack, no reload

It's AT with no reload and in a pinch I can use it in rapid succession

[dark plover]

I heard they buffed C4 to demo 40?

[oblique lotus]

apparently

[dark plover]

Hot dog!

[knotty folio]

I don't think that has any demo force, unfortunately

[glacial light]

Good c4 should be able to break walls

The jump from like 30 to 40 imo isnt worth being as cautious about compared to say 40 to 50. C4 being released at 30 demo force was baffling to me.

Besides walls 40 instead of 30 lets you break, bile titan holes, bug holes from the outside, bio processor, fabs from the outside which doesnt seem like that big of a deal.

And like, dynamite a grenade is demo force 40 for some reason

[knotty folio]

40 is especially not a huge concern for C4 because it can already kill fabricators in one shot with damage

(Same reason I'm confused why the breaching hammer isn't 40)

[glacial light]

Makes it even odder for me it was launched with 30

Yea breaching hammer but cant break walls is odd to me too

[dark plover]

C4 for sure should have launched with 40, but this is the next best thing

Sure makes Redacted WB more tempting... (I don't have a problem I swear)

[glacial light]

As someone who has nearly every warbond but python, halo, and killzone. I have a problem

[knotty folio]

That problem being that you're currently missing some warbonds?

[graceful bluff]

It can break walls, it was just hard coded in instead of just given demo 40 for some ungodly reason

[glacial light]

So it's demo force 30 and cant destroy say bile titans bug holes or bio processors?

[ionic holly]

The weirdest part is like, the hammer just can't pop holes realistically

maybe you can find that perfect sweet spot to clip it just right with the blast but i've not gotten it

i've been in the rim and hit directly at the opening and no pop

It can kill processors though, just with damage rather than DF

not worth the expenditure, but it objectively can if you hit the right side of it

Fun fact the minigun can aswell

Any medium pen or above option can admittedly

correction anything probably can, just has a somewhat chunky health pool

unarmored 2

[glacial light]

Must be demo force 30 but hard coded to break walls. In order to pop it from the outside you need demo force 40 like dynamite you can land it like 3 feet away on the surface and it'd pop a bug hole. Otherwise the grenade needs to land inside the hole and go down like 10 feet under the map, that's where the actual thing you need to destroy is

Also why impacts have a really hard time closing bug holes.

Also you can get trapped under the map with one per experience

[knotty folio]

Yep, Eruptor and the assorted support MGs can chunk through them nicely

[ionic holly]

Oh no it is hardcoded, even without the warhead it'll break walls fences and all the likes

Source: having used it to make better sight lines for emplacement buddies

[glacial light]

Oh interesting

You'd think it'd be easier to like, just up the demo force to 40 but ig if they went that route the normal hit couldn't break walls

[ionic holly]

Could be future proofing incase they add more DF 40 objectives to ensure certain things don't crack 'em? iunno

Oh also if you're confident yeah no the hammer is REAL GOOD at killing factory striders

just keep using warheads on the legs and it'll die fast

[ionic holly]

Further thinking on it this probably is the exact reason
cause if they wanted it able to redecorate without the explosive that'd be a DF40 infinite use option which yeah isn't a super big deal currently but it'd blow if they ever added more DF40 objectives and you can just walk up and down smash it

It's more work and to the player side stupid, yeah, but from a dev angle future proofing like this given the rather large roster of weapons is probably worth the effort now rather than having to balance possible backlash down the line for 'nerfing' something

Least that's my armchair opinion on it

[knotty folio]

The most sensible solution I've seen is to just bump walls' demo force down to 35 and the hammer up to the same

[ionic holly]

Not a terrible idea but it also already does it so

why really worry?

[knotty folio]

I don't trust AH not to break a hardcoded exception ;P

[ionic holly]

Haven't broke one so far

chainsaw still cuts trees down

[knotty folio]

But yeah this way is fine. Just inelegant.

[ionic holly]

It's code, stuff's gonna hardly ever look elegant to the layperson

no offense meant i doubt you are and you probably know coding far better

it's just that you put that shit infront of Todd from accounting and he's gonna look like he's trying decipher ancient text

[knotty folio]

Elegant function doesn't need to have elegant form :p

[ionic holly]

Shrug
i don't see the DF stat in game, i just know if i swing hammer at wall, wall breaks

There's hardly any need to be elegant with something you technically aren't meant to see

[knotty folio]

But also ugly code that works is infinitely preferable to beautiful code that doesn't, and it currently works

[ionic holly]

True

[glacial light]

Well as a dev, maintenance and bug fixes are a majority of the time spent actually coding. Code that doesn't work but not implemented would be preferable to ugly code, rewriting something already been implemented is harder than ripping it out and starting from scratch in many cases.

If its been implemented in prod then often by the time you rework it then it has other dependencies built around it so any changes even if its to improve the code could break other things.

And a big part of maintainability is it should be easy to read to another dev cause thats how you get legacy spaghetti, dev that made this code that everyone struggles to read leaves and then other dev needs to do work on it and put patchwork upon patchwork.

That's a big part of how you get spaghetti code in a game even if the game was released fine, it becomes spaghetti via updates and additions.

[glacial light]

AH devs scared of demo force numbers that don't end in 0

[glacial light]

I found a new fun tech with lure mines, plop one near a randomly found hellbomb

Watch patrols blow themselves up

[keen zinc]

I love da hammer

[ionic holly]

hammer good

solves issues in the best way

[glacial light]

I do loving flying into an enemy with a jump pack to hammer them

BT and war strider thinks it's safe just because it has long legs? Jump jet

Me but hammer

[hallow gorge]

Just did a mission that was like 90% hulks lmao

Every objective had like 5-8 hulks just stomping around it

Oh it's a planet modifier

<-- guy who can't read

[rotund marten]

Devastator Planet is pretty wild

just infinite walls of beef as far as the eye can see

[keen zinc]

It's an excellent place for grenades

[ionic holly]

I tend to just drop a shield nade and mulch the lot of em with my minigun

[rotund marten]

Breaker is performing very well there

if you put the tighter chokes on it and aim for the head it rips through any and all devs without difficulty, although even with Siege Ready you can run low pretty fast

[glacial light]

You know what doesnt care about how many bodies there are, fire.

Regular incendiary nades with the extra long fires compared to regular ones just rack up kills on breaches and saves everyone ammo.

Also orbital gatling goated as always

Ive been runnning napalm eagle and orbital gatling and my chaff game has never been stronger. Also trident, talon, quasar just for funsies I dont believe in reloading or ammo

[normal juniper]

ammo counting is dissident propaganda made to dissuade you from the purity of laser beams

[glacial light]

I think the saucer made a slight elevation mistake when they teleported this overseer in

[rotund marten]

I've been getting good with light pen weapons and it's taken a lot of pressure off my support weapon slots

oddly enough

need to start running more odd stuff

[glacial light]

This overseer also got me kicked from the game, it snuck past my teammates and just shot the 2 pictured to death and they thought I friendly fired both since it was in the same direction as me and no enemies they knew of had gotten past the gates and kicked me

The psychological warfare is real

[rotund marten]

especially now there are a billion GLs in random squads anyway so the gun that's been my staple since the game came out is not such a good gap filler

(well, it's still great, but less necessary when the squad already has two)

[unreal merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776570066408833044/1469182938611449876/image.png?ex=6986babc&is=6985693c&hm=b678eb51d8de459e6f0c8af774f8dccf9df624f1f0b0dbb7b3a54d751015f44e&

[stone bridge]

our insectoid oil reclaimation
vs
their sinister biomass slurry

[spare verge]

command wants you to grab samples of the slurry, for uh, reasons

[glacial light]

Command wants you to grab that giant blender too

But for democratic reasons

[spare verge]

the scientists need tankers full of it to properly science it

[keen zinc]

I mean, we also blend our people

And even try to get people to volunteer to be blended early

[glacial light]

But they were undemocratic theres a difference

[spare verge]

-# I genuinely forgot the "bio-repurposer vats" line

[glacial light]

Now get back to the fight, we need to destroy cyberstan and everyone on it

[spare verge]

remember the martyrs of Gun

[glacial light]

Whenever I see pro Super Earth memes I sometimes wonder if its like made in full satire or full sincerity

[keen zinc]

Also "innocent families" is a bit of a stretch when we intentionally place those families in war zones, with militant brainwashing and armed with rifles to fight to the death rather than even think about surrendering or communicating

[glacial light]

Also what SE did to cyborgs in HD1 was a bit more than just being mean

[keen zinc]

And all the people in the automaton camps are long since dead with no real evidence of live prisoners being executed

[spare verge]

cyberstan was a planet-sized labor camp for a hundred years

[keen zinc]

If there was evidence of automatons executing captives, or even having the opportunity to take captives and just killing instead, I think we would've seen that as propaganda by now

[glacial light]

A labor camp would be pleasant compared to what cyberstan was

[spare verge]

it's kind of impressive the automatons are still even trying to negotiate after that

[keen zinc]

But it's all alleged by the least trustworthy information source there is: super earth

[spare verge]

there are the cut up corpses in automaton bases, of unclear purpose

and cages

[glacial light]

I mean, it could be SE's cages and cut up corpses

[keen zinc]

I mean, bio-repurposing is just a thing that is apparently efficient to do

SE does it, the automatons are fighting a war for survival and so, sorry dead bodies you're getting processed

So you could ding them for desecration of the dead, I guess, but it's not really the worst moral fault

It's just an unfortunate part of the war we've forced them into

[glacial light]

Automatons arent good beings, but also like the illuminate and terminids they are a product of Super Earth's actions and man is Super Earth a very very very bad parent

[keen zinc]

It's not like Super Earth cares about the sanctity of life, with how much it loves posthumously censuring and punishing people

But then again, the Cyborgs have never understood Atlantis.

[spare verge]

I wonder if they wrote it with this tone because it's the kind of setting that would have endless wars where you're sent down in squads of 1-4 and encouraged to kill as many of the enemy as possible without any hesitation

[glacial light]

Having seen the community

Im on the fence

[keen zinc]

It's crazy how much people fail to read the extremely obvious signs of EVERYTHING SUPER EARTH SAYS AND DOES IS WRONG

[spare verge]

the writers have gone to great lengths to make literally every single one of super earth's accusations a confession

[keen zinc]

They are ALWAYS lying and always wrong

[glacial light]

I think most people see the satire, but theres a small but vocal group of people who unironically are pro SE or use the RP as a way to socially acceptably pretend to be facists

[keen zinc]

And people still think they're only sorta kinda a little unreliable

Like, super earth is like 0/40 at this point

Local fascist regime fails 100 consecutive layups and asked to leave the stadium

[spare verge]

they sent the entire service technician corps to be tortured for months because some of them maybe thought about unionizing

[glacial light]

I think in that small vocal group theres also a 3rd kind of chuds that try to push right winged ideology but can lean on "its just a joke" if someone accuses them

[spare verge]

it'd be extremely funny if whenever they have to end service for the game they have a happy ending (super earth's regime falls)

[glacial light]

HD3 we're fighting against Super Earth and they are somehow even less subtle about SE

[spare verge]

a helldivers RTS would go kinda hard

[glacial light]

If HD3 happens, my hopium is id want united front factions where its like either 2 factions working together and fielding some units from both factions and unique hybrid units. Also one faction thats just a hybrid of all 3

[dark plover]

Cybernetically enhanced Terminids would be so rad

[glacial light]

Yea
cyber terminids
voteless terminids
cyber squids
etc

[dark plover]

Carapaced flesh mob, my worst nightmare

[glacial light]

Incendiary Devastatormob Stalker

What would be the most annoying hybrids, doesnt have to be OP just youd hate fighting it with yoour entire being

[dark plover]

Elevated Stalker

[glacial light]

Nvm no more opinions thats the answer

[unreal merlin]

A friend of mine once had the idea of just very rarely when an illuminate dropship beams down forces, it turns out to be one very confused Charger

[winter shuttle]

B3en habing a fun time sneaking arround and using the c4

[knotty folio]

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet: The Grenade Launcher armor pen buff also applied to the Grenade Battlement, it's very satisfying to use against bots now

60 rounds of pen 4 grenades on a 100 second cooldown

It does still have the annoying design of killing the user when destroyed, but if you can get it well-positioned it does work

[cobalt patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RUj6Bair7M0?feature=share this is nicely done

[cobalt patrol]

I would no joke, love this

[winter shuttle]

for me the buff came....you know a bit out of nowhere, the nade laucher was great agaist low level bots and bugs, but now its super good and the other grenade laucher feels....ehh

[glacial light]

Did the backpack nade launcher get heavy pen too

[knotty folio]

Yeah, the battlement buff is super nice but the base GL didn't need the buff IMO

[knotty folio]

Yep, but with significantly lower damage

Even at max RPM it's 25% less DPS in a 43% smaller radius

I haven't had a chance to actually use it yet, but it seems... oddly-designed

[unreal merlin]

Sometimes you actually just need 100 consecutive rounds without reloading or resupplying.

I recently dealt with some automaton bullshit chain ragdoll stuff because I couldn't reload my grenade launcher

[knotty folio]

I just struggle to think of situations where the better AoE and damage of the regular GL wouldn't more than cover the reload time

Like, to use that example, if you had the belt-fed you wouldn't have needed to reload, but you would also have had significantly more bots still alive shooting at you at the point when you had to reload

[verbal summit]

The tank rocks

Especially when I treat it as a big ol glass cannon sort of

It's not so much a tank as people seem to have gotten the idea that it just takes on anything and is meant to push against hordes it's more for like instant destruction of whatever is bothering you but is easily overwhelmed.

Or you put it in a nice chokepoint at extraction so you don't even need the driver to move it anymore and the gunner does what they want

[unreal merlin]

Cuz it's not a tank, it's a tank destroyer

Lots of people missed the difference

The role of it is to obliterate all those factory striders and big armored things from afar and only in that direction

[verbal summit]

Yeah

I keep the tank alive well enoigh cus I just disengage a lot and just drive fast and get out of the situations I'm in quickly.

[knotty folio]

I consider it a lot like the AT emplacement, great as a force multiplier for removing problematic hordes or holding an objective but fundamentally disposable

Not worth investing too much time or effort in keeping it alive, because once it's gone, oh no, that just means the driver and gunner get out and now you have two helldivers with 7 stratagem slots left to do normal helldiver stuff with

(Though it is always a nice upside if it does survive)

I just wish it steered like a tank instead of a car :\

[winter shuttle]

Yhea same

[knotty folio]

I am looking forward to running it more on a planet without acid storms and terrible visibility: p

[cobalt patrol]

Gods

please remove extra reinforcements from the game

i am so sick of idiots bringing that instead of a real booster thant actually does osmething

[karmic prawn]

Fleshmob with 6 heavy devastator shields

[trail creek]

Guys I just found one of my favourite stratagems, that being the expendable anti tank

Against bots at least

[graceful bluff]

It's so good, up to 3 heavy kills per 60 seconds, optional smoke

[trail creek]

It just lets me do my own thing

Like the other players do the main objectives while I clean up the side objectives

Now all I need is find a secondary I like and find an armor passive I like

[burnt vapor]

another message from the bots on the discord ||OPEN YOUR EYES. YOU ARE NOT HEROES.||

[glacial light]

||well yea I am a Helldiver nothing more nothing less||

[ionic holly]

||I mean, good, heroes get less guns||

[quick plinth]

new binary message

in reference to the creek

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Time to turn into barbeque

[kind cloud]

probably scary for non-binary people

[barren iron]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-scoreboard-gif-14602694437700525215

it also came with this piece of art

which is REALLY good

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, that's real nice

[keen zinc]

@rotund marten

[trail creek]

Chat is there any reason I shouldn’t buy siege breakers with my money

[wind arrow]

other than the potential to just acquire the SC via in-game activities? can't think of any

[trail creek]

took me forever last time I tried that

alr I'll probs buy myself a warbond

[wind arrow]

then yeah i can't think of any other reason

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BCbu4I-7uNY

[graceful bluff]

I just realized the airburst+grenade shield might be a real nice combo

[quick plinth]

why the white monter

[tame parcel]

Saw this one in another server, is silly.

[rotund marten]

not sure I love the suppressor for stealth

[graceful bluff]

switching it to single shot helps a lot

[rotund marten]

it's nice for shredding lots of basic inf in a short time, but the fact it needs multiple hits for dev heads and bot bodies is just a pain

you get a lot of alerts trying to make clean finishes

[unreal merlin]

Best use of it I saw was during city missions where stealth is kind of a crapshoot but you can still get away with guerrilla warfare by using the Suppressor

The slightly louder kind of stealth

If I'm specifically doing stealth I probably have the Censor tho

[graceful bluff]

supressor+socom is a nice combo for the best of both worlds(socom can one tap devs)

[unreal merlin]

Be a freak like me, use throwing knives :)

[graceful bluff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fanart-double-machete-kills-rQtaIYMdv8ACI

Also I found out something very important about bots(maybe all?) now, they need los to call in reinforcements

I also found out how good the senators handling is now

[dark plover]

Oh yeah they reduced the sway in the last patch right?

[graceful bluff]

yeah

and considering it two taps the recently buffed rocket striders

and 3(?) taps hulks

oh right @keen zinc I was wrong, it's 48m for the quasar

was thinking the epoch at 33m
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1beScm4b4nRbCTeu7CRDXXb3aiQkD7ZevCztyaCwI8qU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> once more towards cyberstan

[oblique lotus]

3 headshots

[graceful bluff]

I mean yeah

[keen zinc]

i am so waiting for the Cyborgs to be like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOygJJ7Zudk

[lethal delta]

I actually dislike the the stealth missions, but I must say, the armour is peak

[keen zinc]

commando missions are for special folks but its not my thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQfOZuL4sQg this is my mindset for helldiving

[dusty spruce]

Really been loving the Epoch rn.
When I get the shot just right it feels great to see the 'oops all hulks' squad explode at once

[glacial light]

Imagine broadcasting that you died more than the SE, get good

[graceful bluff]

Epoch only having 33m audio range also makes it surprisingly good for stealth

[glacial light]

Stealth AT

[strange vine]

oh yeah if anyone was unaware, Merak has the same biome as malevelon creek, so head therre if you want some nostalgia

[steady flame]

..Any advice on how to deal with The Hulk Horde™? RR isn't cutting it.

[strange vine]

C4 maybe? it being an AoE means you can get multiple if theyre close together and you dont have a lengthy reload

[knotty folio]

I haven't had a chance to play against it yet, but I assume the answer is AT Emplacement

[ivory swallow]

if youre on lesath, im doing scorcher, grenade pistol, thermite, railgun, ammo pack, 500kg, orbital laser, and siege ready to good effect

you can oneshot a hulk through the eye with the railgun (put on unsafe and dont skill issue), scorcher onetaps little guys, and can kill a hulk if you land enough shots on the vent

grenade pistol is there to close spawners so you can save your thermites for when a hulk gets too close

you can chuck the 500kg and laser at big hordes of em

ammo pack and siege ready for ammo economy and team support, plus the reload speed from siege ready is really good for all your weapons

[dark plover]

I wonder if Gas could CC them effectively enough to ease the pressure

[oblique lotus]

quasar is solid just because you get so many more rockets

otherwise railgun and speargun oneshot on headshot

antimat also

stun nades are nice for breathing room

[knotty folio]

Having now played against the Hulk menace, I can confirm the answer is AT Emplacement

New GL is also solid, takes half a mag to kill one but they drop in so densely you get some solid splash going

Eagle strats also get some darn good value when there's that many Hulks packed that tightly

[glacial light]

Strafe kills hulks

good stuff

[agile fable]

tanks with styrofoam armor

[glacial light]

Tank is only medium armor

The defense budget got slashed and went towards overwhelming offense and Stims

[quick plinth]

I really thought you'd like em

huh

[idle hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257440298292744374/1469538547626283018/boogie_bots.mp4?ex=698805ec&is=6986b46c&hm=fb968a705439e4bfd85af75f6cd268adadf699fd8d6df1b7e2c04ff097e38298&

[supple siren]

Nothing at all ominous about this

[graceful bluff]

Railgun oneshots hulks on safe

[idle hollow]

binary says "call your leaders immediately"

[cobalt patrol]

Yup

[ivory swallow]

Huh really?

[graceful bluff]

yeah, speargun oneshots it too

[cobalt patrol]

Note: You have to hit the eye.

It's not just a "Shoot anywhere, dead hulk"

you have to hit the eye, or i assume the bakcpack should work too

[ivory swallow]

Yeah