Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[ionic holly]

No jeans?

[knotty folio]

Service requires only shirts and shoes

[odd arch]

bicycle stratagem that skims even on a hellpod

they just toss it down

[unreal merlin]

I'm riding the bike down

[verbal summit]

Huh

[odd arch]

alternatively the dropship comes and drops an entire shipping container of bikes

[knotty folio]

Let me find them in towns

[ionic holly]

new option, choose to drop without your primary and you can move even faster

[knotty folio]

It must have a rinkydink bell to ring

[knotty folio]

Genuinely solid on Blitz

[odd arch]

no weapons, no armour, stratagem balls, final destination

[ionic holly]

no super destroyer either if you do that on commando

[knotty folio]

Though it would probably mostly end up being "use a Stalwart/MG/GL as primary"

(Or Talon)

[knotty folio]

Eagle bike drop

[ionic holly]

You gain requisition for doing tricks on it like it's a BMX game

[knotty folio]

If the Hive Lord surfaces under you you can get so many points before you land (and get executed as a traitor)

[glacial light]

Brasch Hawk Pro Skater warbond when

Adds a style points meter that does absolutely nothing but go up if you pull off sick tricks

Like do an Ollie over a charger

Or a frontside grind the entire lengh of a leviathan or hive lord

[ionic holly]

if you make it the full length they also explode at the end

[graceful bluff]

lol, lmao even

the breaching hammer is confirmed to be 30 demolition force

so it's a breaching hammer that can't breach walls

[odd arch]

ngl they could simply make walls be demo 30

[graceful bluff]

Leveler's 40 so nothing will be able to kill jammers

[odd arch]

if they worry about us being able to destroy too much

but walls?

who on AH design team is so protective of walls

[graceful bluff]

Alexus Kravchenko

[cobalt patrol]

I do want a strat that's like the mongoose? Or whatever it's called from Halo - little quad Wheeler that only takes one person, maybe two, no guns, just zoom

[cobalt patrol]

Unless you have active proof that he's protective of walls specifically, don't be gross.

[odd arch]

...it just occured to me how funny it is that the Flash from planetside is just a generic modern day quad

[graceful bluff]

walls and gates are basically the only thing in the 40 tier of demo outside of factories(gets oneshot by both the c4 and hammer through damage alone) and bile titan holes(which is a whole other problem for c4)

[strange vine]

That or the motorcycle with the mg side car

[odd arch]

the bike from EDF

[knotty folio]

Generic modern quad with a rocket booster that has a >1 TWR

[knotty folio]

Hover bike! Hover bike!

[rotund marten]

on one hand I am really enjoying the C4, on the other hand this happens constantly so maybe I should restrain myself to solo missions

it's surprisingly good in a straight fight at least

[knotty folio]

I don't have it yet, can you stick it to the car and do the Planetside thing of running it into whatever you want gone?

[spare verge]

I believe I saw a screenshot of a car covered in dozens of charges so yes

[knotty folio]

Eeeexcellent

[supple siren]

They pass through personal shields, tragically

[steady flame]

Yes, you can C4 Jeep.

Lark ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) I don't have it yet, can you stick it to the car and do the Planetside thing of running it into what…

[glacial light]

Jammer must be protected at all costs

Except from portable hellbomb

Hammer being demo force 30 seems painful since it takes up the support slot

And like you have to get into melee too

[unreal merlin]

someone's latest take on this

[stone bridge]

People not cheating objetives is a good thing actually

[spare verge]

I wonder if it'll have a larger supply of ammo to make it not wholly a joke option

[stone bridge]

Hot take

[unreal merlin]

I would use the chainsaw as a primary weapon

[supple siren]

I still think c4 should get BT Holes

[glacial light]

Going back to battlefield days loading my car with c4 and running it into a tank before jumping out

Portable hellbomb cheats it fine

[knotty folio]

I agree, but it would be nice if they had the force to break walls

Though I think the saw might be able to?

[stone bridge]

Portable Hellbomb has a 5 min cooldown, it's allowed

[supple siren]

Also have to run it on in there and maybe escape

Though i've been stealth hellbombing with the new armor and it's good fun

'Lil present for ya i'm out'

[unreal merlin]

The Defoliation Tool increases armor penetration from Armor AP3 Icon.png Medium to Armor AP5 Icon.png Anti-Tank I as well as demolition force from 10 to 30 over the course of 2s of continuous contact with an enemy, +1 AP and 10 demo force per second.

[glacial light]

I skip the stealth

And just run in hopped up on Stims

[knotty folio]

Hm, are the walls only demo 30 then? Thought they were 40 but might be wrong

[glacial light]

Straight to the objective, killing enemies don't matter as they will die to the hellbomb

[supple siren]

See that was my usual move but the new armor is fun

Mixin things up

[glacial light]

Democracy protects always gets me to where I need, or light medic armor. I like democracy protects but I like being fast more

[spare verge]

running a hellbomb in feels way less cheesy than walking up to the side of the base and shooting it with the ultimatum used to

[supple siren]

You could really lob them with a dive too

[glacial light]

Wait until I perfect the hellbomb catapult

[glacial light]

I'd agree they're severely lacking as support weapons

[spare verge]

do we know how much ammunition the hammer's going to have?

[unreal merlin]

I absolutely would run around with the sledgehammer as my primary just to bonk the shit out of everything that comes my way

[spare verge]

so, a bit more than the recoilless in exchange for having to get in melee range and breaking your arm

[glacial light]

Sledge replacing primary seems in line with the other heavy primary the Eruptor which has many trade offs for what it does. And being melee and breaking arms is a big trade off

[spare verge]

and it doesn't use up your backpack slot

[unreal merlin]

300 melee damage is enough to headshot an alpha commander

[glacial light]

Does the sledge use a backpack slot?

[knotty folio]

7 charges of anti-tank is a lot, depending on how the reload is

[unreal merlin]

it probably is just a support weapon slot, same as the chainsaw

[glacial light]

I mean if they changed it's slot they could adjust it's armor pen

And other values

[knotty folio]

Honestly I'm cautiously optimistic about it as a support weapon

Though a primary melee would be nice at some point

[glacial light]

I am recklessly optimistic about the shield nade and trident

[unreal merlin]

Trident will be an absolute workhorse vs bugs and squids

and bots too prolly but >devastator armor

[glacial light]

Eats ultimatum seems neat but kind of depends on the CD for me, like if it'll be a solo silo situation where CD feels very long for what is basically a 500kg on a remote that can one shot factory striders

[unreal merlin]

I love me some guns I don't need to reload.

[glacial light]

Same

If I got expendable HMG or expendable GL I'd be a happy diver

I want to litter

And have a even higher stratagem used end card

If I'm not using 30+ stratagems a mission I'm not using my full destroyer

[oblique lotus]

I don't think the sledge is actually going to be very good tbph

"one EAT shot" but you have to get to melee range does not sound particularly appealing to me

[stone bridge]

i mean

it's 7 charges of one eat shot + a potentially 600 damage melee weapon

[oblique lotus]

oh right peak physique

ok that does sound better

[glacial light]

The arm breaking thing gets me, cause it gimps your ability to aim well at all so you either hit not most of your shots or pick weapons they don't care about aim like blitzer

[supple siren]

Reinforced Epaulets wins again

[unreal merlin]

I forgot peak physique was a thing, 600 damage would be so fun as a psycho build

absolutely clobbering devastators left and right

[glacial light]

I hope it either drops with like an option to swing it unloaded

[unreal merlin]

My hope would be for it to be a mode toggle by holding reload like other guns

[supple siren]

Oh hrmh, wonder if Trident will get those laser customizations, bigger battery or whatever they're called

[glacial light]

Probably the question is if it gets many

[stone bridge]

It does

You have to load an AT catridge for the big boom

[glacial light]

Sickle just gets scopes

Which to me is disappointing, scythe has actual energy based options

Nice, I'm going to try it anyways as I am definitely getting the warbond

For a few games I will be rocket hammer and jump pack

And reinforced epulets

[supple siren]

Love any excuse to wear it tbh, such a look

[glacial light]

As someone who rocks light medic armor

I am not playing for looks

I got like 5 Helms and capes that actually remotely match

And there's like 4 medium medic armor and only 1 light and 1 heavy medic armor, AH please stop dropping more medium medic armors

Meanwhile democracy protects has the swaggiest fits

Including the one with the silver helm of someone mogging democratically

[oblique lotus]

I dont' think I've ever switched off of the winged helmet

it's so good

[glacial light]

I used to rock that all the time before I discovered medic armor is pretty nice

[oblique lotus]

oh I'll swap armor but the helmet stays

[glacial light]

I try to be as obnoxioiusly flashy in any game I play especially if its big or shiny

Unfortunately winged looks off on light medic

I like the skull but its the wrong green

Not a fan of the armor passive but this is the swaggest person, the have 10000 hours in a photo shoot and talk show

I do run this often when I feel like tryharding cause its like a chrome person

[oblique lotus]

y'know it has occurred to me that grinding super credits is kinda a waste of my time

[glacial light]

I dont farm SC but its very nice its an option for those unwilling or unable to spend money on warbonds. Im not really hurting financially so I just buy most warbonds

And I dont really buy from super store, I think my only purchase was butcher armor and warrant

[oblique lotus]

yeah it's nice that it exists but I value my leisure time at more than $7/hr

[glacial light]

Yea although me having less free time than id like really makes it an easy decision for me

I dont even have a patience for like a 15 minute grind of content I dont enjoy anymore

I try to spend 100% of my gaming time doing the most fun stuff

[oblique lotus]

I can otlerate grind but this is just boring

wait a warbond is ten bucks?

I'm making a really horrible groaning noise as the parts of me that control my finances war

[glacial light]

Yes but each one grants 300 sc

So if you dont use super store its kind of like $7

[oblique lotus]

the part of me that controls the lunch part of finances has browbeaten me into buying

[glacial light]

This is my favorite title no contest

[dark plover]

I typically don't like micro transactions on principle- but the value proposition for this game is so good and the business model isn't predatory. So I only feel a little bad for splurging.

Definitely had the same thought though after trying to instead farm SC. Like "wait, this feels like working for sub minimum wage".

[unreal merlin]

Grand Errant SC grinding isn't bad at all - IF you have something else to occupy your attention. Talking about stuff with a friend, listening to a video or audiobook, etc. It's just easy time-passing.

[glacial light]

I think it's nice for those without income, they have an option even if it's trading time for currency. Warframe was great for plat trading and how there was quite a lot of things you grind to earn plat

But yea when you have money but less free time buying a war bond is usually the way to go

Unless you're very patient

But also buying warbonds doesn't put you on a level that SC grinders can't reach

Unlike many games with real bad mtx where a paying player just has access to things that a f2p player can't get it all no much how much they play

[unreal merlin]

I'm privileged with having played since launch, so I've got everything and it's only 1000 SC at any given time. 700 SC if I haven't bought anything from the store rotation since each warbond refunds 300 SC.

[glacial light]

I haven't played consistently since launch but I definitely spread out my warbonds early on

[unreal merlin]

If you have a lot of warbonds you want to get, try to only go warbond -> warbond with your SC since the 300 refund makes it easier to keep returning to 1000

[glacial light]

Lately I don't really play enough to earn SC via normal missions I've just bought like the last 4

Well 3, basically had enough for the 4th from the 3 and had spare SC from before to get it

Girl math says I get free warbonds by buying them

[verbal summit]

Sam e I just need to grind like 400-300 sc for the new warbond

But also I just buy sometimes

[blissful sparrow]

the real decadence was paying 250sc recently for the heavy Siege ready armor from the superstore just because the warbond heavy siege ready armor is ugly as sin with its yellow shoulder pad

[verbal summit]

I always buy the 2.1k

Cus I know I'm likely to buy again in the future.

So why buy 2 1k for 20 bucks when I can buy 1 2.1k for 20 bucks

[glacial light]

Same they got me

[verbal summit]

My friend always tells me that "THAT'S HOW THEY GET YOU"

[glacial light]

I spent like the base price of the game

[verbal summit]

I spent a total of 60 bucks on the transactions

[glacial light]

It's evil they make a game good and you want to spend money on the game to support them. It's devious

[verbal summit]

Truly evil indeed

[glacial light]

Frankly an unfair manipulative tactic for the hard working mobile gacha games

[verbal summit]

Mhm

[glacial light]

Last game that got me like this was Warframe

I always bought plat if I got a 75% of coupon and having played it for years I know I easily dropped at least $100 on it

[glacial light]

Spending 300 for warrant, still my favorite sidearm

It's technically ultimatum with supply pack but it doesn't synergize well with eruptor.

I am powerless against a small guy 5 feet away from me if I did eruptor and ultimatum

[knotty folio]

I will simply not allow a small guy to get that close to me

*promptly allows a small guy to get that close to them*

[glacial light]

That's what dog is for

It will let you know if a small guy is close to you. And if they really close it has a neat warning system called friendly fire

[knotty folio]

There's definitely some predatory aspects (namely the rotating Super Store), and the fact that pretty much all the most powerful weapons are locked behind premium war bonds isn't great, but it's definitely not as bad as a lot of microtransaction-based business models

[knotty folio]

Yep, but then no Supply Pack for the Ultimatum ;_;

[verbal summit]

I never spent money on wf

But also on console I think it was different.

Like it was a get x amount more instead of a discount

So pc was slightly better off or something

That and I was never that into wf

[knotty folio]

I appreciated WF for having a tradeable premium currency and also giving you good rewards for trading for just playing late-game content

(Also the fact that it's free to play makes me give it more leeway when it comes to microtransactions, though their presence is always inherently sketchy)

[odd arch]

I would much prefer if SC was awarded for completing objectives

because SC farming is soul crushing and most high dif players ignore POIs by now

[glacial light]

Yea true the reason I have max super samples but terribly short on common/rare samples

The biggest barrier to getting my last 3 upgrades, and I definitely don't look for them. I usually stop by minor PoI to get supplies and pop lockers and crashed pods for SC/medals

I am out of medals for the stealth warbonds and need to unlock entirety of 2nd and 3rd tier and will be absolutely medal broke for siege breakers

[dark plover]

I never feel FOMO on the superstore because I know everything will either rotate back in soon or go to the permanently available tabs. I agree there's some warbond power creep, but it's been decently contained. Probably the worst is sidearms and grenades IMO.

[glacial light]

Yea Thermite, Dynamite, and Pyrotechs are nutty

[stone bridge]

Dynamite is mid imo

I'd rather take Pineapples

[steady flame]

I thought pineapples were like, utterly terrible. Did they get buffs?

[stone bridge]

extremely so

[unreal merlin]

Dynamite is kinda neat but has now been surpassed by the C4 pack in most use cases

[stone bridge]

it is pretty much a handheld, precise cluster in terms of effectivenesss

[steady flame]

Oh huh.

Oooh. I'll have to pick it up.

[glacial light]

C4 pack is a stratagem

I'd hope a stratagem that uses a backpack and support weapon slot is stronger than grenade

[unreal merlin]

I think dynamite has more demo force but when it comes to

• blowing up fabricators
• blowing up enemies
  C4 is more usable and plentiful. You pay for that with it taking both weapon + backpack slot.

[glacial light]

What advantages does it have over dynamite now

Dynamite I like for it's ability to clear a very wide area of most med and smaller enemies

[unreal merlin]

Actually going off when you want it to since it's triggered by you instead of hoping enemies are in the right area as the timer goes off

Huge work horse for commando missions

[glacial light]

Ah I never found that as an issue

Enemies chase me and they'll be where I was

Also the area wide enough even if I'm off they'll be caught in it

Interesting what makes it good for commando mission

[unreal merlin]

7x c4 bricks to start, gets resupplied with weapon ammo instead of grenade boxes. Easier to put one on every fabricator without alerting anything and then fully leaving the area before detonation

No bouncing, sticks where it lands so you can precision throw it 50m

[glacial light]

Oh I thought you were talking the pineapple

[unreal merlin]

Nope

Miscommunication going on here

[glacial light]

I don't think comparing c4 to dynamite is apt, different slots and you can run both so it's not a competition

Whereas pineapple and dynamite is mutually exclusive cause both throwable

Heavy pen and demo 40 is why I like dynamite quite a bit

[unreal merlin]

The comparison to make is opportunity cost cuz while dynamite is neat, c4 does what i use it for better which allows me to use grenades that do other things (gas is my favorites)

[glacial light]

Talking about gas vs dynamite seems more apt

[stone bridge]

gas no question really

[glacial light]

I'd still pick dynamite depending on the faction

And if I have another gas in my loadout like gas strike or gas dog

I also do lean towards using grenades to clear objectives easily and delete patrols. Dynamite kills most spawner from the outside without needing to land it in a vent or hole.

[stone bridge]

boss I'll be real I'll just dunk it in there

or use an explosive tagged weapon

[unreal merlin]

Anyway long story short c4 is good and you can get a lot of explosions cuz a resupply fully refills the pack each time. 31 bricks out of 4 resupplies

[glacial light]

I run eruptor no dunking needed

But it's nice if I need to kill a fab I don't have LoS

You'd have to be goated to hit the vent from outside a bot camp that's behind a wall

[stone bridge]

for that I've got the GOAT

[glacial light]

Dynamite vague area is good enough for the fab kill

[unreal merlin]

You can slap a brick onto a hulk and it goes THUNK and the hulk turns around like "what was that" and then BOOM

[glacial light]

Strafing run is great on bot

It's why I use both

[stone bridge]

Strafe is in my loadout on every front on nearly every loadout

[glacial light]

C4 seems great, at I don't need to reload and can throw back to back? Peak

Same but I especially think it's great on bots

Kills like every heavy in one run except like war striders

Kills illuminate ships or breaks their shields ez, deals with most bugs and safe to throw super close when you're surrounded

Breaks fabs

Very spammable

[unreal merlin]

Throw 7 bricks, go get weapon ammo from somewhere, throw more bricks. Eventually you switch to detonate mode and click, then every fabricator on the map explodes at once

[glacial light]

I am tempted to bring back the yeet armor when I unlock the c4 pack

[glacial light]

Killer Queen has touched this fab

[stone bridge]

I'm becoming very fond of stealth loadouts for bots tbh

Getting into fights with them can turn into a serious prolonged slugfest, I like being able to get in and out + being rewarded for good precision

[glacial light]

Stealth is the opposite of what I enjoy I am someone who likes danger

I skirmish through enemy backlines while being fired upon at all angles while everyone is cautiously engaging the enemy and pushing forward a Frontline. By the time they get to the objective entrance I might have already done it and moving to the next one

I usually am top in movement by like 2km with light medic and warp pack

Even on defense missions where there's not much places to run

[unreal merlin]

Speaking of "c4 allows me to use other grenades", I've been running throwing knives lol

It works

[stone bridge]

yeh I hate that playstyle sorry haha

I'm methodical and slow

[glacial light]

I'm methodical and fast

[unreal merlin]

Knives rock once you nail the aiming quirk and know how alertness works

[glacial light]

If you don't carefully consider and be aware with light armor surrounded by enemies you're going to die instantly

Eruptor I find hard to quit cause the bolt action between shots gives me time to get a get a glance of my surroundings in every direction

And that short time between shots I got to assess my surroundings and pick my next shot carefully, it's a fun fast mental exercise for my ADHD brain

Blitzer I enjoy a lot for similar reasons

[glacial light]

It gets silly how quiet they can be

You can pelt something with knives and they won't notice

Eg guy who killed factory strider with knives a long ways back

[unreal merlin]

They make zero noise if you miss and basically nothing if they hit, and they do so much damage. Two knives to the body kills a berserker

[glacial light]

Maybe this has changed with the stealth updates but even if you do hit they take a very long time to actually find you, more than enough to kill with more knives

[graceful bluff]

The problem being an RR has 6, a quasar has infinite, and you need to go into melee to use it. If it wasn't a stratagem weapon I'd fuck with it but it's a hard miss for me in its current version

[idle hollow]

i wouldnt even mind if it was a primary

there are suitable options for secondaries to replace primaries (talon comes to mind)

[graceful bluff]

yeah

I'm just extremely annoyed that his is the second breaching tool, in a row, that can't breach

[glacial light]

Why are walls even demo force 40

Or rather why isn't hammer & c4 demo force 40

C4 not even able to breach walls is a choice

[rotund marten]

hmm, what warbond do I go for next
Freedom's Flame
Chemical Agents
Truth Enforcers
Masters of Ceremony
Force of Law
Python Commandos

[glacial light]

Cause like dynamite, a grenade can with its demo force of 40

[rotund marten]

I have 1000 banked for the new one and I'm just doing some SC farming while I burn through my reading lists

[agile fable]

Burn the world away

[ionic holly]

I very much need to do some actual SC farming at some point

[verbal summit]

I should just get like someone who'll do it for me

[strange vine]

reminder that even max efficiency SC farming is still like, below minimum wage

not gonna stop you from doing it but remember youre still spending time

[ionic holly]

ooookay?

[sour falcon]

Some folks like throwing on music and doing it for an hour or two to avoid having to spend money.

[graceful bluff]

I'm also doing it to get medals to buy shit with

[ionic holly]

i get paid by contract and given some
emergencies needing money, i don't exactly have the ease of "hey just buy it"

[rotund marten]

also if you're just farming with a couple of friends it's just something to do while you hang out

or in my case, listen to long boring interviews that I need to get through for work purposes

[barren iron]

where are these commando missions I keep hearing about

[steady flame]

Also er, I imagine it is based on the designation, but is the Leveller gonna be disposable?

[knotty folio]

Melee range is a huge downside, but the RR takes a backpack and has stationary reload and Quasar can't handle multiple targets at all - every repeatable AT has huge downsides.

Won't know how usable it is until it's out, of course, and the whole breaking arms thing might well push me away from it, but I don't think it's worth dismissing so early

[graceful bluff]

EAT stays winning though

Short ass cooldown, kill 3 heavies per cooldown :v

[glacial light]

I forget the system but there's a whole bot planet that is only commando missions

It's just the most populated bot area usually or 2nd most

[ionic holly]

I'll make a mild notation that if it breaks arms like the variable's total mode as stated, it's very inconsistent and can be relieved via limb health passives or just going prone

(though depending on swing angles prone may not be an option, won't know for now though)

[ionic holly]

also, more than likely yes

proper davy crockets

[unreal merlin]

Commando missions are (were?) on Clasa

[knotty folio]

Yeah I haven't used the Variable so I'll have to judge that downside when I can actually try the hammer

[ionic holly]

Big variable fan here, so i know a lot of Funky Bits

it was my go-to primary if i wanted to use a not-shotgun since it was, at the time, a great stand-in for a minigun

but yeah reinforced epaulettes and servo assisted limbs should alleviate the problem, epaulettes being the more "desirable" as it'll still increase melee damage at the cost of being chance based

[steady flame]

Respectable.

Niles ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) also, more than likely yes

[glacial light]

Me after trying out the hammer

[ionic holly]

pfft

but yeah i'm a very big melee guy so im still rather happy with the hammer

But i also tend to have the perspective of "realistically melee is a you're into it or not camp, viability only does so much for that"

honestly the only thing it has against it for me is that it's competing with the maxigun since i'm pactbound to using it

like you can go into AH's office and find that contract signed in blood right on the wall

bit insensitive but yknow, their contract

[glacial light]

I am a melee person but also melee has to feel good which for me often includes something more complex than light attack and heavy attack.

[ionic holly]

Shrug.

not the kind of the melee the game wants is all i can really say to that

[glacial light]

Yes which is why I don't do melee in HD2, a lot of the focus was put on the guns

I wouldn't mind if it became more prevelant though

[ionic holly]

I'm not particularly holding my breath, melee diving is more for fun than a legitimate playstyle

and boy howdy is it fun

[dark plover]

Hammer with supply pack to have infinite blast swings and to stim up your shattered limbs.

[glacial light]

Often for me a part of the fun is it's a legitimate playstyle unfortunately

[ionic holly]

And give others ammo if needed

[ionic holly]

i'm very glad i caught myself cause i was about to say something that would've likely came off as incredibly rude

[glacial light]

Reinforced epulets, get the democracy protects for limbs and melee damage boost

[ionic holly]

450 melee damage is hardly anything to scoff at, ye

[glacial light]

If you're democratic enough your limbs won't break

[ionic holly]

Honestly the warhead is cool but i'm looking forward to just using it as a standard melee with the explosives reserved for Big Mistakes against democracy

[glacial light]

PEAK physique is more damage but 300 is already quite a bit for most enemies.

[ionic holly]

And it also doesn't help against the limb damage

[dark plover]

I'm assuming the explosive damage doesn't get modified

[ionic holly]

But yeah, least for me, the way i'm approaching the hammer is "standard melee most of the time, sometimes a warhead on a stick"

[ionic holly]

Would be insane if it was, but no unlikely as it is its own damage type

[glacial light]

Not having a broken arm is pretty nice so you can use long range weapons

Warrant though does not care for broken arm

Smart Bullets got you

[ionic holly]

True
nor do shotguns care that much

recoil will hurt but still

[glacial light]

Blitzer doesn't care about either it'd got you

[ionic holly]

What is blitzer is not arc shotgun

[glacial light]

According to the loadout terminal energy weapon

[ionic holly]

What is energy if not means to propel shotgun

[glacial light]

A weapon can't be 2 things at once, that's illegal

It's either shotgun or energy

[ionic holly]

truly everything is a shotgun

[dark plover]

A shotgun is a series of tubes

[glacial light]

Well usually you propel the bullets

Not the shotgun itself

[ionic holly]

But yeah nah really i'm looking forward to the hammer even if i dont use it too much due to other supports having my fixation

450 melee damage will be
fun

Honestly i think post siege breakers my main support weapon options will be minigun/GMG/hammer depending on how i feel

[glacial light]

Shield nade and trident I know I'm going to love

[ionic holly]

oh shield nade is never leaving my inventory when i get it

[glacial light]

And if they're bad on launch it's AH's fault not the weapons they can do no wrong I will bring hell to reddit

[dark plover]

Shield nade on an AT emplacement 🤩

[glacial light]

Yes

Shield nade on hellbomb
Shield nade on terminal
Shield nade on extract call kn

[ionic holly]

Shield nade on a minigunner will also be nice

[glacial light]

Shield nade with quasar/maxi gun and stationary reload weapons

[ionic holly]

Not a fan of the quasar but i get the sentiment

but yeah, the only thing in the warbond i'm not too interested in is the trident

[glacial light]

I'm not a big quasar fan either even if I know it's good

[ionic holly]

not cause i think it'll be bad or anything i just don't like laser weapons

[glacial light]

Hate long charge up, I don't use eats cause of that animation to prepare it when you bring it out takes time

Commando can be quick drawn hip fired if needed

Laser designation stays on where it was last even if you unequip it so in a pinch swap to other weapons to deal with a threat then quick draw hip fire the commando and rockets will track towards that location

[ionic holly]

i know there are gonna be some people who are gonna be very Unpleasant about the fact you can move and shoot the GMG but not the maxigun

[glacial light]

I would have preferred if maxi gun you could move while firing but just do so slowly

Like tf2 heavy revving up gun

[ionic holly]

Eh...

I'll be frank as an avid user of it you
just kinda want to be stationary anyways

[dark plover]

They'd need to also add a sandwich secondary

[ionic holly]

even standing the recoil can muck up your aiming heavily, i loathe to imagine the impact walking would have

[glacial light]

HMG has bad recoil but with armor you can manage it fine on the move

[ionic holly]

If you say so

[glacial light]

It would take nothing from your experience if it was an option, you'd get not do it and stand

[ionic holly]

I'm quite happy with where the minigun is

[glacial light]

No backpack is always a big ask for me but I'm hoping c4 pack is worth the loss of warp pack

AT support weapon you don't need to reload and can be used back to back against multiple enemies quickly is my kind of weapon

Throwing even better I throw better than I aim

Launch weeks with throw armor made me understand gravity and throwing something really far really accurately

Nothing felt better than dive throwing a grenade across the man into a fab vent

[ionic holly]

I think i'd enjoy the C4 but i wanna stock medals up for the next warbond

[glacial light]

I also want to try lure mines to see how well it distracts enemies already aggro'd on you

[ionic holly]

Oh this one i actually do know

extremely well

[glacial light]

It's fit my skirmisher style gameplay well if it could act as a get out of jail free card grenade

[ionic holly]

i think as long as you don't actively shoot them post placing a mine they WILL hard focus it

[glacial light]

Perfect

There's some use cases that'll be fine for me

Eg me with the portable hellbomb rushing a jammer or gunship fab

Or spore lungs

[ionic holly]

PHB my beloved

[glacial light]

Yes so goated I basically bring it everywhere

Especially on bots

[ionic holly]

I used to but the solo silo basically did exactly what i used it for outside of easy OBJ popping

so now i bring my silo everywhere

[glacial light]

I center my builds around taking out objectives fast and more importantly with as few reinforcements as possible

Enemies respawn, objectives don't is my mindset

Don't need to kill all the enemies I face, just what I need to blow something up

I take mostly stuff for easy objective popping

[ionic holly]

I'm very big on being a loud, lumbering, tank of mass destruction since the friends i play with tend to play lighter

[glacial light]

Eruptor, Dynamite (soon to be either lure or shield nade), warp pack to teleport past walls and through hills onto the encampment backlknes, strafing run just goated and can kill many fabs/nests, gas strike with demo force 50 is as good as 500kg but super short CD and useful against every patrol

[ionic holly]

the
the gas strike has DF 50?

[glacial light]

Yea the projectile does

[ionic holly]

the fuck

[glacial light]

Or is it 40, basically 10 under hellbomb

Same as 500kg is what I'm certain of

[blissful sparrow]

My friends are always great distractions as they struggle with concepts like "walking 20 meters to the right around the bug breach" which makes it very easy to flank heavy concentrations of enemies and clear out the base behind them

[glacial light]

Same with smoke strike, both it and gas use the same projectile as ops basically

[ionic holly]

I like being a distraction intentionally
i brought big guns, i'm gonna use em

[glacial light]

Yea smoke and gas strike have demo force 50 I just checked

Oh and ems strike too

[blissful sparrow]

well i still murder the most, i have some screenshots of post mission screens where i'm at 800+ kills while everyone else sits around 300
i just so happen to shoot people in the back a lot

[glacial light]

I almost Stims used cause light medic gang, distance moved cause again light medic gang but also stim booster, stratagems used cause I love spamming low CD stratagems, and not always lowest deaths but often 2nd place

If there was a stat for like spawners destroyed, objectives destroyed, and terminals hacked I would be certain I'd be top in that

[strange vine]

Aesir Pass rn

[blissful sparrow]

1 minute orbital gatling my beloved

[graceful bluff]

The only thing I want from the breaching hammer is if I hit a bug with it it's gonna go flying and barrel through like ten other bugs

We've been the only ones hurt by ragdolls for way too long

[glacial light]

My loadout for most defense missions is like ultimatum, strafing run, gas strike, orbital gatling, laser

I am seeing red and it's beautiful

[graceful bluff]

The machinegun turret might as well be hard locked in my stratagems

[glacial light]

Or for bots AT encampment and entries

AT encampment, shield gen, mortar sentry, rocket sentry

[graceful bluff]

I love the mortar sentry for reasons that most people don't pick it for

much like the machinegun turret, it's an amazing distraction

[glacial light]

My sorry you're not playing this defense mission loadout, I want to relax

[graceful bluff]

they can't call for reinforcements against turrets

[glacial light]

Your team can call reinforcements if a mortar hits them

[graceful bluff]

Shouldn't have stood where a mortar shell was landing then :v

[glacial light]

What were they doing so close to an enemy of democracy? Sharing treasonous whispers?

[graceful bluff]

Smoochin bugs

[knotty folio]

I wander back and forth between MG and Flame sentries as my low-cooldown distraction device of choice

[glacial light]

I've seen that a lot

Flame sentry I like a lot on city maps

Throw them in an alleyway and they got you back

Enemy has to turn the corner to a flaming distance

[knotty folio]

The fact they explode when destroyed is really nice when you just toss them out to distract instead of as a defensive position

And you can be a lot more lassez-faire with positioning them since they're a lot less of a friendly fire hazard

[graceful bluff]

I still really want a seeker swarm turret

[glacial light]

One sentry I've just never seen used ever and not even I used it is laser sentry

[graceful bluff]

Laser sentry was so close to being good

[ionic holly]

fellow MG turret enjoyer spotted

[knotty folio]

I've seen it used occasionally

[graceful bluff]

but in practice it spends 15 seconds firing constantly at something it can't penetrate and then it explodes

[knotty folio]

But- yeah that

[glacial light]

Changing the armor pen of MG and gatling sentry was such a good change

Cause they used to do that with a lot of enemies

[knotty folio]

My big wishlist sentry is Gas Mortar

[glacial light]

Now they're goated with good armor pen and short cd

Gas mortar I would kill for

[glacial light]

Id want a seeker swarm dispenser. Uses the same thing as mines but spins and releases dozens of seeker grenades instead of mines

[graceful bluff]

Arc mortar

[glacial light]

That would look so cool

I will orbital arc strike

[graceful bluff]

I know exactly how an orbital arc strike should look

[glacial light]

Drop an metal rod projectile then arc lightning strikes to it from the ship

[graceful bluff]

it should throw down a spike with basically no aoe and then a second or two later a lightning strike follows

yeees you understand the vision

[glacial light]

And it'd be in line with gas/smoke/ems which has a projectile

Design consistency too

But also I'd want a 380m arc barrage because my greed has no limits

[graceful bluff]

Make a 120 version of it too called the thunderstorm

Honestly I could see it being an arc version of the gas speargun

where it uses your spears as aim for the lightning

[knotty folio]

380m, just doing a colony drop on the bugs

[graceful bluff]

Call it the fuckin' zeus or something

[glacial light]

Are we going to space Australia

[graceful bluff]

Another thing I still want is a cod style lingering gunship

Like basically a longer duration, more targeted gatling barrage but it goes under eagle rules for when you can deploy it

[glacial light]

Calling in a Mech so I can see the Pelican again but also they're shooting it up

[knotty folio]

That's already basically in the game if you exit the exfil zone during the landing sequence, the Pelican will circle providing fire support indefinitely

[graceful bluff]

yeah

[knotty folio]

Making it into a stratagem with more limited duration would be excellent

[odd arch]

I'm really fond of the tesla tower and flame sentry combo

flame stops the tesla from getting overwhelmed, tesla stuns big units long enough for them to get broiled

one of my go tos has been deploying gas mines and tesla in the same spot but that's double the teammate bait

very suboptimal

[blissful sparrow]

i will never let go Autocannon turret, my beloved murdering machine

[odd arch]

I think the only sentry I don't use is gatling

heretical I know

[dark plover]

Gatling carries me on squid missions

[blissful sparrow]

Believe it or not: Squids die to Autocannon sentry

[odd arch]

gatling is cool and good and all but MG sentry cooldown wins me over every time

[dark plover]

I'll have to try it out!

[glacial light]

Gas mines and sentry combo

Pretty great

Gas doesn't hurt sentry

[odd arch]

it's far less killy but you always have one and splitting aggro/dropping it as a decoy and knowing it'll deal with any chaff coming its way is chefkiss

[glacial light]

If it's Tesla tower then enemies just stand and get zapped

Protects it from chargers too as they get confused by gas. And allies won't step near the area with mines

At least they won't more than one time

[glacial light]

Autocannon + Rocket. No heavies allowed on the field

[dark plover]

I assume it's probably also easier to survive accidentally getting shot by the MG sentry 😂

(vs gatling)

[unreal merlin]

I'm pretty sure it actually does, but not enough to kill it before it runs out of ammo usually

[knotty folio]

I'm almost certain it does hurt sentries, but they might have enough HP to survive one mine worth

[glacial light]

I see not enough to really matter then

[knotty folio]

(Unlike emplacements, which definitely don't have the HP to survive a gas mine)

I think one mine might kill a sentry? But it takes a while

[graceful bluff]

You say that but I've seen ya'll around mines :v

[glacial light]

I don't run into mines, it's almost always warping into mines, or being knocked into them

[supple siren]

Heroic jumpjet out of the base I just hellbombed riiight into a landmine

The classic move

[glacial light]

Me in a bot base making my daring escape by teleport out through the walks into a minefield is why I take democracy protects if I'm serious

Tbf I did escape the base alive, but not outside the base

[graceful bluff]

I forget who it was that was a fucking magnet to my mines

They could be in an area I hadn't even been close to and there'd be one of my mines there, under a healthpack

[supple siren]

Democracy protects only works if it means I spend more time helplessly ragdolled

For me it's prank armor

[glacial light]

It's my hellbomb armor

[graceful bluff]

Democracy protects means the cannon won't kill you but the wall will

[glacial light]

Portable hellbomb doesn't care about if you're ragdolled once it's prime it goes off

Your participation is optional after it's armed

[glacial light]

Get democratic and win the coin flip for both

[dark plover]

25% of the time it works every time

[glacial light]

It works 100% of the time it works

[graceful bluff]

who the fuck is this nerd

Never change, gamer names

[glacial light]

RIP they didn't pull out of the mission in time

[dark plover]

Democracy Protects

[tight zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202861741151879268/1466264745178042432/248x2rk7m3gg1.png?ex=697cc5b5&is=697b7435&hm=eed844e5bbb31ed656b829b6fd23cc10d13516a52510674582429e11ab372039&

I need to grind more SC.

[graceful bluff]

My favourite setup in Space Marine

[glacial light]

Assault favorite class

Although I opt for power fist because it's your gun as well as your melee

[graceful bluff]

yeah but you could do a jump pack slam with the hammer

[glacial light]

Weaponize your 3 point landing

[oblique lotus]

I don't like a lot of the automatic primaries

too much time investment to kill one thing

[knotty folio]

I'm too used to Stalwarts/MGs, automatic primaries feel kind of pathetic in comparison

[glacial light]

Liberator carbine is pretty close to Stalwart but much smaller mag

Slap a drum mag on it and you got pocket Stalwart

[strange vine]

Idk i love using the ARs

[glacial light]

My favorite rapid fire primary is probably the double edged sickle with a full build for it.

Especially if you run supply pack for plentiful Stims, it goes pretty ham if you put heal it during a stim.

[knotty folio]

Yeah, it's definitely just a matter of personal taste

[shy sigil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Tcy3lgZi0fs

[graceful bluff]

melee divers are a different breed

[graceful bluff]

Where's the sneaky missions currently

[strange vine]

Aesir Pass

[graceful bluff]

the halo pistols real nice for taking out devs

love dropping in and enemies across the map knows you're there because your idiot teammates already alerted them so you just get popped by a factory strider as soon as you get out of your pod

[odd arch]

this AH hate has gone too far

[steady flame]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/oQI6DtYW5P

[odd arch]

I started out doing everything in my power to save civilians and SEAF but after the fifth pack that ran directly towards the explosions I consider it a mercy killing

they weren't going to make it

[steady flame]

alright we're getting really fucking tired of this game because every single time we try and start the game we get past the first two cutscenes, load onto the ship, and freeze

nothing about our series X has changed and it's been like this ever since the first update post-xbox release

[strange vine]

https://youtu.be/v52cfb_6_nw

[dark plover]

Having a lot of fun fine-tuning a smelldiver (gas focus) build vs the Squid MO.

I think I might be getting dimishing returns running orbital gas, gas nades, AND speargun though. Considering switching something out for better anti-harvester capability

[stone bridge]

What backpack are you running?

[dark plover]

Supply Pack for more grenade spam and to allow Scorcher spam on both voteless and overseers

Good with the Speargun too

[stone bridge]

I was gonna say, Spear's the easiest one to remove from that loadout

If you wanna punch up into Harvesters more efficiently I'd take a Railgun or HMG

[dark plover]

I think you're right. It trivializes Flesh Mobs and is fun to lob gas clouds at long range- but could probably get the same effect with some grenade lobbing practice

I need to put some more time on the HMG- it's always either felt like an absolute monster or borderline unusable to me

Do you run it at minimum RPM?

[stone bridge]

depends on my engagements - i usually do, yeah, but i turn it to max RPM for large or dangerous targets like fleshmobs or harvesters

[dark plover]

Do you think it's workable without recoil or ergo armor?

[knotty folio]

It's definitely usable without if you go prone and/or use it more as a precision weapon

[knotty folio]

I'm surprised by the lack of gas mines, they're extremely good vs squids

[dark plover]

I'll give it a shot- I think I've been scarred by teammates deploying mines in the wrong places, but I suppose gas does provide enough time to escape\

[stone bridge]

yeah you just need to make sure you're prone or tap fire it

[knotty folio]

The fact that the cloud is very visible and takes quite a while to kill makes them a lot safer to be around

[stone bridge]

The mines themselves also stand out way more

[dark plover]

Huh, I didn't realize the CD was relatively short too

[stone bridge]

Standard mines only have small red spokes sticking out, gas mines have a large green core

[dark plover]

Combined with Orbital, that's some near constant cloud uptime

[stone bridge]

I'd actually consider the Gas Dog if you have it

[dark plover]

That's a direction I haven't explored yet- will need to switch to a more ammo efficient primary I think

[verbal summit]

Eruptor!!!

[stone bridge]

I don't think so

[dark plover]

I guess if the dog kills voteless swarms, Scorcher might have enough spare mags to take out Overseers

[stone bridge]

The Gas Dog murders voteless with extreme efficiency, yeah

[verbal summit]

I use the wasp launcher so that doesn't work for you here but otherwise I use the bltizer to keep em still for a sec as I switch n dump into them with the talon

[stone bridge]

It only takes 7 seconds of exposure to kill the heaviest voteless, and the gas keeps them well confused

[dark plover]

Wasp was my go-to for illuminate but at some point I started getting really inconsistent lock-ons

[verbal summit]

Hm never an issue for me

I love wasp launcher it really calls to me

Visually as well it's just such a cool weapon

[dark plover]

Monarch-pilled

[verbal summit]

150000 missiles

Also friendly fire with the wasp is funny

[dark plover]

I've killed myself a lot from the missiles immediately kissing adjacent walls and buildings

[verbal summit]

Once they make a lock on primary I'll be very happy

[dark plover]

Full auto-aim build sounds funny

[unreal merlin]

This gave me a support weapon idea: ghostbusters proton pack

[dark plover]

We ARE overdue for a laser weapon with a backpack...

[verbal summit]

Belt... fed??? Laser?!??!

Optical fibre or something lol

[dark plover]

Maybe the battery is too big to fit in the gun

[verbal summit]

Yea

Giant backpack heatsink

If it overheats you just die

[dark plover]

It should definitely light you on fire at least

[verbal summit]

Mhm

Curious about what kind of weapon it'd be tho cus I feel like it being a brrrrrt gun would be kind of pointless and it being a continuous laser... we already have...

There's lots more interesting things anyway

So it's not like those are the only 2 options

They could do something like the last prism from terraria

[dark plover]

Prismatic Spray gun

[verbal summit]

So you can fire it shortly repeatedly if you want to shoot wider

But then hold it down for heavies

And then as the beam converges make the AP value go up

[dark plover]

Sounds fun to me, and now there's precedence for a laser spread weapon in the next warbond.

[sharp crater]

continuous beam weapon with a giant crystal backpack that allies can shoot with lasers to charge the crystal and power up your beam (basically a ranged sorta team reload but it's for damage/pen/demo/etc)

(it most assuredly sucks in practice but it's super cool in theory imo)

[blissful sparrow]

slightly shuffle and immediately get beamed to death as the support beams no longer hit the crystal but your back

[rotund marten]

sheer chance, but I have randomly hit the funny number at the minute I opened my stats page on a whim

[dark plover]

Nice

[oblique lotus]

blitzer

[verbal summit]

True.........

[dark plover]

A JAR variant with homing rounds would be fun

[steady flame]

I just want a full auto switch for the Dominator.

[odd arch]

Warrant Carbine would be a fun homing primary

[steady flame]

Well, I really want a Talon carbine. :3

[odd arch]

or hear me out

Warrant-Perosa

[steady flame]

Okay that I can stand for.

Wait, that implies that a Warrant version of the Moschetto Automatico Revelli-Beretta Mod. 1915 could exist too.

[graceful bluff]

just give me a second talon

dual wield

[steady flame]

Honestly I, I don't wanna see dual wielding. :(
Though, well, when I say I want a Talon carbine, what I mean is a carbine that acts like the Talon, so semi-auto laser gun.

[idle hollow]

halo 2 dual wielding...

[unreal merlin]

Yeah semi auto laser DMR has been on my wish list for a long time

Filling a similar role to the deadeye preferably

But "bigger Talon" is generally the idea

[knotty folio]

Two Talons duct-taped together. Same stats as the Talon except it fires two shots at once and supports attachments

[idle hollow]

talon with that stupid fucking long barrel that jack nicholson's joker had

https://tenor.com/view/joker-smile-villain-long-gun-gif-17427254

[trim breach]

Give me a sickle where the projectiles are actually lasers and don't have travel time

That STILL bugs me

[glacial light]

I'm quite surprised energy sniper primary isn't a thing

[glacial light]

At least they don't got drop

It's funny cause like scythe is instant afaik

There's no travel time for the scythe

But also lighting up the sky and fog with sickle is peak

I'd shoot enemies it was not good at because it's like a beacon pointing towards a heavy someone else will kill

[trim breach]

I mean TECHNICALLY there's the Killzone plasma rifle

[glacial light]

I forgot that existed

[unreal merlin]

I haven't used it since its release. Apparently it's been buffed to not be worthless, but

• it doesn't call to me the way a proper yellow-laser-bolt sniper rifle would
• I'm too busy leveling up all the other primary weapons

[knotty folio]

Does it still have that required 3-round burst? I would like it a lot more it it had a firemode selector

And either way a limited-ammo plasma weapon doesn't really fit the niche of energy sniper IMO

[unreal merlin]

exactly

I am a massive sucker for ANYTHING that lets me have infinite of something if I have good timing and discipline

Energy weapons that only expend ammo if you're reckless with the trigger? Sick. Magic spells that run on a naturally replenishing resource of mana? Yes please.

Mass Effect 1's guns were ideal for me, which just set me up to be annoyed by ME2's return to thermal clips and gravitate toward only using Javik's prothean laser gun in ME3

[odd arch]

the accelerator was genuinely one of the worst guns in gaming on release

it's crazy how many extremes HD contains

on one hand all the great feeling weapons and aura farming and hype moments

on the other leviathans and accelerator

[stone bridge]

accelerator and leviathans are both fine now

lol

[odd arch]

but the scars remain

the tree plots its revenge

I hope the clearly-soon-to-be-unveiled enemies come with working weakpoints and counterplay behaviour, on that note

in a break from the... trend

[knotty folio]

You will get 5 armor no weakpoints with destroying their limbs giving them an extra attack, and you will like it

[odd arch]

I wanna know what happened between the original roster of enemies and now

where the OGs all have really in-depth limb loss and weakpoints and behaviours that can be exploited

and now gestures vaguely at the release state of roaches, walkers and fleshmobs

brick of health that walks damage at you in a straight line

[knotty folio]

Based on Roaches I assume it's just a classic case of bad project management

Not enough time allotted to actually complete the enemy, but gotta release on time anyway

[odd arch]

I'm being a little unfair putting fleshmobs in that list because their behaviour is perfectly fine

but they teleported so I think I get that one free

[knotty folio]

And of course they're not going to add more complex mechanics if they don't have time to finish the most basic parts

[knotty folio]

The whole destroying legs being a pure buff is a super bizarre choice

[odd arch]

imagine how fast you could walk if your legs weren't the limiting factor

[knotty folio]

I do really like the new Leviathans

[odd arch]

I'm still getting old leviathans out of my system

need to crush a few with a brick and I'll be over it

hmm, maybe a chainsaw kill would do,,,

[oblique lotus]

scythe is instant

[knotty folio]

A slow-moving beam weapon would be fascinating, though difficult to justify

[dark plover]

Something like the Breach Cutter from Deep Rock Galactic would be cool

[unreal merlin]

wish granted, we now get the ALL POWERFUL QUAD-LASER

[trim breach]

THE BULLET IS ENORMOUS, THERE IS NO ESCAPE

[quick plinth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/LowSodiumHellDivers/s/AUtmuyNbQq

[oblique lotus]

farming voteless with the arc thrower kinda stinks ngl

[strange vine]

i managed it in 2 40 min missions

[verbal summit]

I like the video of the fan not turning on when the button is pressed

So the person tries a few more things

And then they open a drawer finally and point a gun at it and suddenly it starts working

[karmic prawn]

Well you see they use dark fluid to locally alter space time to put more laser into a shot

[glacial light]

Heavy laser goes slower

[unreal merlin]

I'll say it again, ghost busters positron beam backpack

[quick plinth]

Laser sniper although...

arrowhead please give me a smart equivalent of the AMR or Eruptor and my life is yours!

[graceful bluff]

Give me a stratagem laser sniper that's just the gravitational beam emitter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITcRqPvcglc

Basically charged like the quasar but shoots a beam

[glacial light]

Imagine laser weapon so powerful it can't be reloaded or gain ammo in the field, what you get in the magazine when you drop in is what you get.

[graceful bluff]

Honestly I just want some darkmatter weapons already

there was the darkmatter jetpack and the warp pack and that's basically all we got

[glacial light]

Dark matter gun that teleports the enemy in a random direction

[oblique lotus]

a pulse laser would be pretty cool

[glacial light]

In any direction including up, down, into allies/hostile

[oblique lotus]

short duration hitscan antitank

[glacial light]

That would be the dream

[odd arch]

shokk attack gun

viable ammo includes
-nearby small enemies
-live grenades
-sentry
-other helldivers

[indigo bear]

I would dig a dark fluid grenade launcher that spawned a short-lived small singularity.

The AoE scruncher

[royal lantern]

Don't forget backpack strats

[oblique lotus]

I could see a pulse laser as an expendable

Backpack + held weapon, once you start firing it continues firing until it burns out, AT pen and high DPS but you only get 4-8000 damage out of it before its done

[knotty folio]

If it's entirely expendable I don't think it would need to take a backpack slot

Like, at 8k damage it's basically 1.5 EAT call-ins but less flexible (in terms of you can't save one)

Though more flexible in terms of what targets to use it on, presumably

[oblique lotus]

I like the thematics of a limited use backpack

[glacial light]

Expendable maxigun when

i could see something kind of like a drone backpack if we ever get drones, point targeter towards enemy and say 1 of 4 drones will fly towards the enemy and shoot at it or the area and your helldiver just tosses it when theyre done

[strange vine]

give us the MGX-42 again, expendable MG

[glacial light]

If only

[idle hollow]

pls

i need it

[barren iron]

can we pick up the pace on mog

I NEED these medals

[glacial light]

I havent been playing as much and im medal broke and still need to finish the latest warbond

Gonna be super medal broke for siege breakers

[graceful bluff]

Too busy mogging

[idle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mewing-mew-cat-mewing-mewing-tutorial-mewing-cat-gif-495067373805540650

[glad marsh]

I want an orbital strike/grounded weapons platform that does something like this

Biiig laser + explosion is something we don't have quite yet..

[verbal summit]

Big fan

[cobalt patrol]

What anime is that from?

[glad marsh]

Fafner Exodus iirc

[graceful bluff]

Still can't decide if I wanna grab the double freedom

[trim breach]

It's fun

[indigo bear]

I've heard nothing but praise for it

[ionic holly]

very excited for tomorrow

[graceful bluff]

good luck with that

[glacial light]

Imagine if like this wasn't wrong and we do end up destroying cyberstan but the new bot capital is a roaming death star as like a counterpart to the democracy station

[tall stone]

I would be so down for that

[glacial light]

A battle to defend the democracy station against bot star of peace would probably prop up playtime a lot during the event.

[graceful bluff]

the entire valdis sector(the one cyberstan is in) is now fully cut off too

Godspeed you single helldiver

[glacial light]

One planet vs one John Helldiver? I'm putting my democratically mandated bet on team Super Earth

[trim breach]

Helldivers operate on Conservation of Ninjutsu

[glacial light]

Well now everyone is paying attention to them

[unreal merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09y83XJJJU&pp=ygUSVEhBVCBPTkUgSEVMTERJVkVS

[glacial light]

Damn it's rough out there, he's lost resolution but despite the visual fidelity loss he's fighting the good fight

Also based padded heavy with commando helm

200 Armor makes yoou feel like god until physics happen

[agile fable]

making sure the hammer isnt divine in damage potential i see

[cobalt patrol]

Tbh, i'm pretty happy with melee generally up, but melee pasisves reduced

[verbal summit]

Same

[blissful sparrow]

TD-110 MY BELOVED

[stone bridge]

holy fuck

grenade launcher stonks up

also wait we got a tank

holy shit

[blissful sparrow]

i am gonna be dying so much in that coffin and its going to be glorious

[verbal summit]

Wait what

Tank

[blissful sparrow]

the Helldivers 1 Bastion

haven't seen images of the HD2 yet

[verbal summit]

I hope it'll look good

[cobalt patrol]

Soemthing ocol is planets are nwo showing "This has lotso f tnaks" or "This has lots of devastaors"

When they say "lots of tanks"

I mean "Bot call ins are 95% tanks by volume"

[stone bridge]

oh lord

[trail nymph]

Early design from when the game came out

[cobalt patrol]

Bastion doenst seem to be availbe yet, and i'm guessing the warbond drops in 2 hrs when the shop rotates

[stone bridge]

yeah the bastion is coming out at the same time

[warped cradle]

Chainsaw buff we're so up

[glacial light]

Ooooo new tank

Also GL is heavy pen?! Time to be a menace.

Also yooooo what commando was supposed to track the target last marked instead of the last location? Expendable mini spear my beloved.

[idle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/war-the-day-today-day-today-gaming-battle-gif-16165134164338870236

[supple siren]

Does this mean the new GL is also heavy pen >:|a

[glacial light]

I wonder what the team needs to work together bit on the bastion is, I'm guessing it's like one driver one gunner at least so you can't fully use the tank

[supple siren]

Revolver sway BANISHED, REJOICE

[stone bridge]

likely

[stone bridge]

it'll absolutely be driver, main gunner, two sponson gunners

[supple siren]

'Exiting a vehicle now properly inherits the vehicle`s velocity' tuck and roll, Divers

[glacial light]

That'd make sense

[idle hollow]

has someone figured out if the FRV can be turned into a C4 buggy

[glacial light]

I hope it's fast enough to do donuts in the tank

[idle hollow]

Tank kinda looks like a stridsvagn

which makes sense yknow, swedish tank, swedish game, super earth's capital is where stockholm is

[glacial light]

And maybe not made of feathers like the frv

[cobalt patrol]

YESSSS

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, yes it can

[trail nymph]

Clipped from the dev diary

[stone bridge]

hm, no sponson guns

interesting

[quick plinth]

I imagine it's gonna be a 2 seater

driver gunner probably

[supple siren]

Wonder how standing on top will pan out

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, the end of the patch notes video was very good

[burnt vapor]

that's how it was in the first game probably the same here

[glacial light]

Can a mech stand on it

Helldiver voltron

[royal lantern]

There's a lot of really good QoL stuff in this update, the fire mode regularization in particular feels like it's been a long time coming. I don't really know why they would nerf vehicle strats in the same patch they introduced the tank though, with the enemy durable damage increases. Were mechs and FRVs really over performing?

[royal lantern]

It might be specifically to differentiate the old and new GLs more, but it yeah it might also just be that both got absolutely juiced

[stone bridge]

I mean, they explain it in the dev diary

If they didn't buff their damage it'd be too small vs the tank

[supple siren]

Mech did feel invincible outside of Striders vs Illuminate

( it really doesnt like the striders though )

[royal lantern]

Well yeah but isn't the fix for that to make the Tank have a smaller health pool rather than nerf the exosuit? The exosuit was/is more survivable than it's sometimes given credit for but it's also still not any sort of over performing/over picked I would think

[stone bridge]

then the tank feels bad to drive

catch 22

i dont think its gonna be a big deal ultimately

[glacial light]

Tank also requires another player to use it which is big too

[graceful bluff]

GL-21 Grenade Launcher
Increased armor penetration level from Medium to Heavy

Excuse me

[glacial light]

That diver is in the tank instead of throwing stratagems and using their loadout as the 2nd person in a tank. Tank should be stronger than exo suit that's piloted by 1 person

[graceful bluff]

Also fucks sake games crashing on load now

even though I purged mods

[royal lantern]

Oh it definitely will be, I have no doubt about that

[graceful bluff]

Also not sure I like how they changed a bunch of things to be on the left on the R wheel

because it was really convenient having a quick switch that worked for both different firing modes, and switching things like safe/unsafe on railgun

???

I verified the files for hd2 and got an achievement in megabonk despite not having played it in months

It says I got it feb 3 on the achievement list, nov 17 on the post game summary, I haven't played it since october 3rd

steam pls

love having two shields

[south temple]

god please let the trident be good

[cobalt patrol]

https://youtu.be/3_ZVYxDgbM0

[graceful bluff]

how have we already lost half a million helldivers

[cobalt patrol]

We are highly trained.

So tank has Driver, Gunner and two hatch slots that people can pop up and use weapons from freely

[stone bridge]

quick trip report on initial warbond stuff

hammer - surprisingly effective, they seem to have gone back on the recoil damage from hitting stuff or it's super minor, i didn't notice it
trident - 360 damage, light pen, very quick rate of fire; you can piss out DPS very quickly, overheats in about ~9 shots of continuous fire on a standard planet
tank - 120mm has 1 shell loaded, 30 reserve, also has a co-axial HMG with 2000 rounds of ammo and no reload; 120mm has a reload of around 4.5 seconds but is extremely powerful at least from what the small demo shows, it one shots a tank from the front

[cobalt patrol]

My tank somehow exploded from the b ototm and went flying throguh the air

and out of bounds

It was honesltyp retty great

[blissful sparrow]

Is the Bastion actually a Main Battle Tank with a full turret instead of a Tank destroyer that can only aim forward?

[stone bridge]

no, its a tank destroyer

centreline mounted gun

it's got a huge swathe of ammo and hits like the fist of god, though

[winter shuttle]

is the tank a free stratagem ? or do we need the warbound ?

[stone bridge]

confirmation the belt-fed GL shares the standard GL's heavy armour pen

[stone bridge]

free, costs 35k req

[winter shuttle]

oh hell yhea

[graceful bluff]

holy shit she's back

[stone bridge]

when we needed her most

she returned

[short rune]

We are making it to Cyberstan with this one

[south temple]

ok the trident is actually so fun

[stone bridge]

yes

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, i do not like the bastion tank]

[south temple]

you can just shit out an insane amount of fire

[stone bridge]

It has monstrous DPS

[short rune]

It was decent in HD1. Good to hear that they nailed implementing it properly

(Unlike the Constitution)

[south temple]

i want to take this thing on illuminate so bad

[cobalt patrol]

Why does it have such a limited range of motion for the cannon XD

[stone bridge]

It's a tank destroyer

[cobalt patrol]

Trident seems real good tho

[short rune]

The Rocket launcher?

[stone bridge]

You gotta rely on the driver to help you out

[south temple]

you can kinda just point it in the vague direction of devastator heads and they will die

[cobalt patrol]

Briar, you've seen how i play XD

when has "Rely on other players" ever been my jjam

[stone bridge]

It was always gonna be a teamplay stratagem off the rip, you knew that :p

[rotund marten]

Oh dear lord heavy pen GL

Well that makes my life way easier

Hulk bullying hours commence and do not stop

[stone bridge]

Correct

Belt fed is also heavy

Misc's time is now

[south temple]

grenade launcher jump pack trident might go insane

[short rune]

So the tank is actually really durable.

[rotund marten]

you didn't honestly need heavy pen for much but it does let you own tanks, hulks and those annoying little shredder turrets

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, warhorse set is feb 10th

Also heavy pen does mean you'll in general do more damage to the meidum enemies you wanted to squish anyway

[short rune]

Oh? I thought they just forgot to add it

[cobalt patrol]

Yes. But i am the one who makes people rely on me, not hte other way around

[cobalt patrol]

So did i, but i rechcekd the patchnotes, and it's Feb 10th

[rotund marten]

what's the difference with the belt-fed anyway

other than obviously the belt

[stone bridge]

Little bit selfish innit

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, i aim to do it by stylishly saving people with awesome rocekt shots and clever shield throws

but also, yes.

[south temple]

do we know what it looks like?

and/or what the passive is gonna be? i assume the same as the warbond

[stone bridge]

I think the tank will go insane with a little bit of coordination personally

[cobalt patrol]

I have no idea on the apperance of Warhorse. Sadly, the leaks discord has not ressruected

[stone bridge]

It has enough ammo to kill god

Maybe twice

[short rune]

I saw a couple leaked armours a while ago which seemed legit. I just don't know if the Warhorse is among them. It would probably be warbond themed

[south temple]

big ammo

iirc it’s 100 rounds

i imagine there’s an advantage in just not needing to reload it

[cobalt patrol]

https://preview.redd.it/8paycsjwn1fg1.png?width=808&format=png&auto=webp&s=0ab7d7f76fcaffd8a4e23b118aac226643ad385c it might be this?

[short rune]

Thats the one I saw

[south temple]

yo that would go hard

[blissful sparrow]

Its basically a Anti tank emplacement that can drive around and doesn't suddenly get interupted by a suprise berserker cutting you in half

[south temple]

please god give it a good passive

[short rune]

Alternatively it's for the Trench Warfare warbond

[cobalt patrol]

Extra Padding. (i'm not even joking)

[south temple]

TRUUUUUUUUUE

god bless extra padding

[cobalt patrol]

As much as i love my yellow drip

some otehr stylish options would be good

[short rune]

Colour options for armours would be great

[south temple]

my biggest wishlist for armor passives is something laser related

[cobalt patrol]

There's some much more WW1 styled armors in the same post from that one, so i think those are likely to be the Trench Warfare, or whatever it ends up named warbond

For me, i just want them to decouple armor passives from armor looks

we're not playing PvP.

Let me drip however i wish to drip.

[short rune]

There should also be three weapons if the leak is complete

[south temple]

i’ve seen a pistol, shotgun, and smg

said shotgun is gonna do horrible things to me

[short rune]

Underbarrel flamethrower rifle, WWI trench gun and autopistol

Space-Mauser

[cobalt patrol]

Anyway, i do hope the Tank Destoryer is fun for folks who like it

i'm just so happy with the Censor.

it's like the snappier, easier to work with Deadeye.

[south temple]

it’s so funnnnn

[cobalt patrol]

I washaving an amusing time showning up a teamte who kept aiming too low

and then i'd snap shot the devs heads while they were still walkign their shots

you gotta respect the bullet drop

(also the laser sight really helps)

[rotund marten]

the Censor is gorgeous

[south temple]

it’s one of my favorite weapons now

[rotund marten]

probably my favourite DMR for bots even outside sneaky missions

[graceful bluff]

I think I've become a redacted armor main

[short rune]

The stealth gear is so good

[south temple]

the sound of the shot combined with watching a dev head pop is like nothing else

[cobalt patrol]

@unreal merlin you will love the Trident btw

[graceful bluff]

it's so nice for just being able to not give a shit about patrols as long as they can't see you

[rotund marten]

I like med pen for bugs just because hive guard are bastards

[short rune]

I use it without the silenced weapons and I still get a lot out of it

[cobalt patrol]

It;'s just really responsive

[rotund marten]

trident's an actual shotgun, right? what's the range like

[short rune]

It's a laser shotgun

[cobalt patrol]

it's a laser shotgun.

so it's range is Rave: Yes.

[south temple]

pretty OK but not exactly long

grab a jump pack and get cooking

[cobalt patrol]

you basically loose a ton of accuracy at range

but it fires six bolts, it fires them fast

[south temple]

just fly in hold M1 and then leave

[cobalt patrol]

and it fires a lot without risking overheat too much

So it's perefeclty cormulent for just blapping devs at medium range

[south temple]

yeah it’s something like 12 shots

[cobalt patrol]

Seems like it'll be a great squid weapon

and hoenstly, it wa doing weell into bots

the dps is real for things like blowing out hulk vents

[south temple]

yeah i took it on some 9s and it did great

it’s probably not gonna be a main bot weapon for me but it’s extremely fun

[cobalt patrol]

I was using it in a ten with no problems

I prefer the Deadeye or Censors for sure

but like, as said, perfectly cormulent

[south temple]

i can’t even imagine what it’s gonna do to squids

kill six billion voteless

[cobalt patrol]

Clear voteless hoards like it's going outta style

[supple siren]

how's the heat on it

also can y'customize that

[south temple]

very permissible

[rotund marten]

wow that thing's bulky

I'll give it a go

how skewed are the X-surge missions

[south temple]

something in the realm of 10-12 shots before you gotta reload

[rotund marten]

are we talking "normal tank constellation" or "fuck you it's Tallarn time, 60% of enemies are tanks"

[blissful sparrow]

My Arma 3 Tank driver ass is so looking forward to using it.

[short rune]

It's really good

A bit short on ammo but that was to be expected

[blissful sparrow]

i haven't spent hundreds of hours sitting in a box seeing the world through a tiny slit while doing nothing but holding WASD to not enjoy driving over bots with a tank

[cobalt patrol]

bot drop that was like, 995% tanks. it was great

[verbal summit]

I'm the world's worst driver

So yes I will be the squads driver

Don't tell my friends I said I'm a bad driver :3

[cobalt patrol]

i meant to say 95% but 995% is also accurtate

[short rune]

Is a tank. I doubt you have issues parking it

[verbal summit]

Well