Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[graceful bluff]

How I'd see it is that it follows the one who called it in

[odd arch]

you can get the extract pilot to hover btw

[graceful bluff]

oh I know

[odd arch]

but I don't remember if doing that still zeroes your reinforcements

I think they're zeroed on touchdown?

[oblique hazel]

Only when someone gets in

[cobalt patrol]

Zeros when you board

And even then there's a grace period of about 5s

[graceful bluff]

I don't really see the point of that anyway

like you can almost never call someone down in time

[odd arch]

I've extracted by smashing my hellpod into the pelican a few times

[graceful bluff]

pelicans roof is a suggestion at best

[blissful sparrow]

i have killed people with the hellpod as they were trying to get in and its a giggle everytime

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Squids squids squids squidshttps://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1381625545371947018

[odd arch]

my death record was in heavy armour because I couldn't get out of leviathan sightlines

split your lungs with blood and thunder

this guy kept wrapping himself around the tree until his body despawned btw

just twirling there

[sage plume]

<@&1206091872716595200> i want to preemptivley start farming for the new warbond

[odd arch]

hmm, y'know, why not

coin is always short

[trail nymph]

KhajiIt has warbond if you have the coin

[barren iron]

finally got servants of freedom

the street scout armour goes great with the 2nd helmet

[odd arch]

did they buff flying overseer accuracy in like... at most yesterday?

they started actually hitting me all out of sudden

kinda welcome because they were a joke you could just walk away from

but I was not prepared for the full burst to my light armour ass

[ionic holly]

They did not, their accuracy is admitedly just very coin flippy

on SE too it was a lot easier to find debris or buildings to break up their LOS too

[odd arch]

it's also possible that I've gotten so complacent around them that the habit of standing there and admiring the brickwork when they're around started catching up to me

if they keep this up I might even start zig zagging

[trim breach]

It honestly has my favorite armor passive in the game

And I'm very annoyed there's no medium variant

[odd arch]

oh also
made a discovery while fucking around with goofy loadouts

staff overseers can't get out of getting combo'd with the hatchet even if you're not using the ballistic shield

just get on their ass to have the first hit in

[barren iron]

is there not one in the superstore?

oh wait no yeah the superstore is

[odd arch]

heavy scout when

[hallow gorge]

Medium siege ready when

[cobalt patrol]

Depends how fast you can dial the code, I guess. I can do the respawn code in less thana second, I think?

[odd arch]

lol, lmao

[trim breach]

Throughout most of the Super Earth arc I had a bug where the strategems wouldn't fire off if you typed in the code too fast

[marble parcel]

Known bug, fixed

[trim breach]

Which led to fun situations like muscle-memory slamming the reinforcement code, and then killing myself because it switched back to my weapon, which was the Ultimatum

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, everyone had that bug. it suuuucked

[odd arch]

I was never a fan of plasma weapons but I took the purifier for a spin into squids on a whim and the convenience sings its siren song to me

them being always so convenient is half of why I never use plasma, I like my loadouts full of duct tape and jank

the other half is audiovisuals lacking some oomph

many traditional weapons look and sound like they should send enemies to the shadow realm and come up short, plasma weapons look like they'd sting I guess

but you shoot a patrol with plasma and there was never a patrol in the first place

[karmic prawn]

Yeah the scorcher's pretty nice but its sound design is its weakest point

[glad marsh]

It's very pew pew

[graceful bluff]

they try their best but the sound mixing in this game can be very hit or miss at times

at least there's mods to add oomph to basically every weapon

[split parcel]

Did some testing with gas damage. I do not have the heavy gas armor yet so unsure what that would look like

L = Light Gas armor, NO Vitality booster
L1 = Light Gas armor, with Vitality booster
M = Medium Gas armor, NO Vitality booster
M1 = Medium Gas armor, with Vitality booster

[dry canopy]

heavy gas armor can give you complete immunity I think

with vitality

I haven't actually bothered because putting on heavy armor kills the joan

[oblique hazel]

since I know theres been some discussion and disagreement here about ammo counts for the new primary mag sizes, I went and whipped up a spreedsheet to calculate total ammo capacity for all the different options
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jz8GLMs_VZ5WwG1lg8NUxel3ej3h9tdt5a74WaPZvgQ/edit?usp=sharing

if you're simply looking to maximize total ammo and nothing else, its always* better to go with the largest mag available to you for that weapon

the only exceptions to that are the breaker and breaker incendiary, where short and drum mag give the same amount, and the difference between them and the extended mag is very minimal

[dry canopy]

(and I personally favor short mag breaker incendiary because of this. it feels nice! it may not necessarily be efficient but it has a good feel to it.)

[graceful bluff]

Technically not full immunity mathematically, but thanks to how damage numbers are rounded it becomes full immunity

Also anyone know of a good video on the snipers in the post attachments era?

[trim breach]

Rejected Brasch Tactics:

Remember, there is no I in Team

But there are four I's in Fuck It, I don't care how close they are, I brought a Napalm strike.

[oblique hazel]

I realized the wiki has the siege ready breakpoints, so I went and updated this will all of that info

the general trend of larger mag = more total ammo remains and is even more pronounced for 3/5 categories

as for the other two, the defender and pummeler get the same total ammo from extended and drum, and the normal and incendiary breakers get slightly more ammo from extended than the other two (which are still equal)

I think the standout stats here are that drum mag liberators get a whole 120 rounds from siege ready, and extended mag knight gets a massive 140, which imo are both definitely worth factoring in when buildcrafting

[odd arch]

y'know I like how squids are the one faction where just a gun gets to shine

bots have all the armoured units and troopers so fragile that they die in AT-weapon-aimed-at-devs accidents
bugs have armour and a lot of pressure from the smaller goobers that calls for more indiscriminate firepower or stuff like stuns

squids? everything dies to a gun just fine

[unreal merlin]

Trusty liberator doing great work on a solid 5/8 illuminate enemies

[graceful bluff]

liberators always gonna do work, it's just that the other liberators does the work better :v

the carbine putting lead down range way faster which is real important for fleshmobs, while penetrator well, penetrates overseers

[unreal merlin]

Given overseers have light torso armor that breaks quickly, I always just hose them center mass and it works great

[stone bridge]

Yeah no, the Lib Pen is kinda just the worst variant still

[unreal merlin]

If i can't kill it with a liberator I'm already using a different approach than "primary weapon" anyway

[graceful bluff]

short 3 round burst to the head and they're gone with the lib pen

[odd arch]

I've been having a decent time with the dominator, though it's extremely aim dependent

for overseers, it's 1 to the head or 3 to body... or the entire mag if you start hitting arms

[graceful bluff]

That's the problem I have with light pen vs overseers, they really like putting their arms in front of their body

[oblique hazel]

if we're talking primaries into squids, I can't sing the praises of the scythe enough

its got good damage, good range, basically infinite "ammo" with the high capacity heat sink, and it lights things on fire which is huge for fleshmobs and overseers

[odd arch]

for anything other than bugs scythe lives in the shadows of Big Scythe for me

(laser cannon)

my beloved

[oblique hazel]

I would seriously suggest trying small scythe again

it has the same base damage as the lascannon, just lower pen, durable damage, and fire strength (whatever the hell that means)

[odd arch]

interesting

scythe was my main weapon for a while and yeah it's great

[unreal merlin]

New patch dropped, good fixes and a few buffs

[oblique hazel]

with the high cap heatsink it has similar "ammo", but it cools down faster, reloads faster if you need to, has more spare sinks, and doesn't require you to sit down to reload them

[odd arch]

double edge lascannon when

I think I mained scythe back when it had really inconsistent damage too

and it rocked even then

[oblique hazel]

the light pen is a pretty big deal on other factions imo, but on squids that means very little, especially with the fire

[graceful bluff]

Monkey paw curls, it's a lascannon that shoots out both ends

[odd arch]

speen

super earth's beyblade championship

contestants wear ballistic shields

[graceful bluff]

unflinching seems pretty good now

no flinching+25 armor+marker scanning

[odd arch]

damn

[oblique hazel]

they fixed the railguns sight!!

hopefully this means they also moved it back closer to the first person camera

[graceful bluff]

also integrated explosives giving you +2 grenades

[odd arch]

tbh not flinching is still a nothingburger to me because if I'm getting hit I'm diving

[graceful bluff]

throw grenades into bugholes, jump in the last one :v

[odd arch]

but hey long overdue buff

[stone bridge]

Doesn't always happen like that

[graceful bluff]

unflinching is nice vs voteless stunlocking you

[odd arch]

I thought unflinching only prevents aim kick, not stagger

[quartz cloak]

Huh, peacemaker buffs

[cobalt patrol]

"Slightly increased the health of its feet. It should no longer be destroyed by a single GR-8 Recoilless Rifle shot to the legs" this no joke makes me very happy

[graceful bluff]

oh huh yeah it doesn't do anything to staggers

[graceful bluff]

I find it funny that they're not saying the real reason for this change

a well placed firework could oneshot factory striders

[cobalt patrol]

??? the RR one shotting to the feet was a huge issue and known by basically all the RR freaks

and a lot of us hated it because it took all the skill out of eye shots or bellyshots

[quartz cloak]

Okay, slight hitch to the powercreep spiral, nice

[cobalt patrol]

Harvester
Their health has been rebalanced to make them easier to destroy using anti-tank weapons, particularly when aiming at their head

This is interesitng!

[quartz cloak]

They were weirdly resistant to quasars

[graceful bluff]

having to hit a shoulder joint for a guaranteed oneshot was really annoying

[oblique hazel]

I hope that means they get killed by orbital railcannon shots more consistently

[quartz cloak]

Still no Spear buffs

[oblique hazel]

I know it probably doesn't, but I can hope

[cobalt patrol]

So it actualyl may! Depends on the exact details, but Harvester health as werid - you could one shot them with an RR rocket, or put 3+ into it's body with little seeming effect

[cobalt patrol]

Harvies (at least before now) required a surprising amount of preicison to drop with Qusar/RR - you had to hit the eye, or the legs, and i think there were very small gaps in the armor on the main body that were also a kill

[oblique hazel]

oh hmm, I read "head" as "eye" there, maybe there is a chance

[calm sorrel]

no fix for the misplaced extract beacons yet?

[oblique hazel]

seems like no

[cobalt patrol]

Anyway, very happy to see the various underused armors get buffs

[oblique hazel]

its not even on the known issues list

[cobalt patrol]

and i really like this approach of "Every armor brings multiple nice little things"

[graceful bluff]

I just want a heavy stealth armor already

[oblique hazel]

yeah its definitely interesting compared to just increasing the "potency" of the existing effects

I will say though, I'm very disappointed with the changes to leviathans

I think they need signifigantly more adjustments and I probably wont be returning the squid front until they get them

[graceful bluff]

they're just incredibly annoying in that they just spawn another as soon as one dies yeah

there should be a limited amount of em

[oblique hazel]

I saw a suggestion about turning them into a secondary objective a la gunship fabs or convoys, and I think I'd be much more amenable to that

[graceful bluff]

honestly just making them cap spawns at difficulty/2 rounded down would be fine

[oblique hazel]

but their current implementation on open-air maps just kills my ability to have fun

[cobalt patrol]

I'd like them a lot more if their behaviour felt more intentional - attack runs and shit, simialr to stingrays

rather than just floating around

[graceful bluff]

I'd kill for this level of customization

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, the developer blood sacrifice is very high

[odd arch]

The Pun

[cobalt patrol]

I'm trying to figure out which guns are mashed togthere there

[graceful bluff]

left sides eruptor, deadeye, punisher, tenderizer

[cobalt patrol]

I meant for the pun, is it just the punisher cut in half and stuck ontop of itself?

Pinkeye i had figured =3

[odd arch]

hear me out
lever action talon carbine

[harsh kayak]

Lever action, belt fed, bulpup carbine

[odd arch]

not evil enough

[quick plinth]

huh, stealth diver buffs

time to sneak up to gunship fabs / shrieker nests and just dedonate hellbomb backpacks

[trail nymph]

Force of law leak ||we have our first confirmed “smart” weapon||

||P-92 Warrant||
||A medium semi-automatic pistol similar to the titan fall smart pistol which lets you lock onto a target (none-chaff) and blast away, the guided bullets feature can be toggled off completely and it will act as a normal secondary, while in guided mode the weapon will not fire until it's locked onto a target.||

[rare nymph]

Super Earth has such beautiful naming conventions 😌

[spare verge]

prove your devotion with a 30 year tour of duty in SEAF, and super earth will put you on the special fast track to settlement name request consideration
guaranteed to get a managed democratic name within 5 years!

[cobalt patrol]

lol

"How dare the enemy sully our well swept streets!"

[lethal delta]

New patch is fantastic and will make me definitely use truth enforcers

[calm sorrel]

they do have proper names in game

[steady flame]

Wanna play, but still waiting on patching because no matter what drive I'm on, I am doomed to have patches take forever. :(

Even on the fastest drive I have, which is the drive my OS is on.

[ionic holly]

Spoilers for the upcoming warbond

|| we got numbers and man 50 is gonna be fascinating to work with on the pacifier||

[strange vine]

||pacifier has the same stun capacity as pummeler but AP3||

[calm sorrel]

is all of your steam stuff on the same drive? Because I had Helldivers installed on one drive and steam on my boot drive, but since my third, slowest drive had some steam files it could only install at the lowest speed

consolidated it all on one this morning and it got a lot faster

[ionic holly]

|| Oh yeah no that alone will keep it useful, i'm just gonna have to see how i personally feel about the damage||

[idle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-the-boys-yummers-gif-730693117818784194

that sounds so good

[quartz cloak]

I'm sorry, ||guided?!||

[steady flame]

Did they change/break the RR?

[quartz cloak]

Not that I know of, why'd you ask?

[steady flame]

Because this doesn't seem right.

[cobalt patrol]

Does more damage to Harvies, Factory Strider feet got more...

Oh, that's not right at all

[steady flame]

WHAT HAPPENED?!

Is this ||for the upcoming warbond?||

[quartz cloak]

Spaghetti monster strikes again!

[blissful sparrow]

RR joined a cult 😔

[quartz cloak]

Spearchads stay losing

[calm sorrel]

looks like when they were making the firing modes for the new sidearm, they overwrote all of them

[steady flame]

Okay, it's on the Known Issues list.

[cobalt patrol]

Oh no, that's hilarious but also how did that get to live

[quartz cloak]

It's Helldivers, it's 63% tech debt by volume

[steady flame]

Correction: It's a game, it's 63% tech debt by volume.

[ionic holly]

No you see spear now has SUPER LOCK ON that lets it tunnel through walls /joke

[strange vine]

same with the autocannon, best guess is that something fucky happened because the new warbond pistol ||has guided/unguided modes||

the bug doesnt actually change anything

[calm sorrel]

unfortunately it's not in the warbond. they knew people yearn for titanfall so they made it an extra transaction

[ionic holly]

Yeah still not a fan of that

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-karl-urban-judge-dredd-i-said-hot-shot-gif-4959681

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUNwgpEDV8A

[steady flame]

Something I wanna see is like, a laser revolver rifle at some point? Like the Talon but bigger.

[strange vine]

i mean the flip side is they can also choose to only buy that if they dont want anything else in the warbond

if its less than 300 SC then it can still be purchased with the warbond's complementary SC too

[quick plinth]

-# YES ||MORE GUIDED WEAPONSSS||
-# YESSSSS

[fringe quiver]

Wait where buy?

[strange vine]

when warbond is out

[fringe quiver]

Not warbond?

[strange vine]

super store

[fringe quiver]

Super store

[ionic holly]

In 2 days

[quick plinth]

the fact that ||the gun itself has the guided trait listed, makes me want to believe there'll be others like it||

[keen zinc]

oh wait thats an x link hold on

badaboom

i want it bad

not because it is guided, but because it is the lawgiver

https://tenor.com/view/dredd-i-am-the-law-karl-urban-gif-20285202

[strange vine]

FLY MY PRETTIES

[graceful bluff]

I still really want a wasp nest turret

like just 9 magazines or something sticking straight up firing at whatever is nearby

[odd arch]

super dahir insaat

[verbal summit]

I wonder how expensive the pistol in the superstore will be cus I only have like 1.1k sc

[calm sorrel]

the hatchet and the shock stick were both 200 SC, so probably around that

[graceful bluff]

Do remember there's 500 in the warbond

[verbal summit]

500???

[odd arch]

not 300?

[verbal summit]

Not 300 like usual?

[graceful bluff]

oh is it 300

[odd arch]

btw, is there any client-host fuckery with shock melee vs fleshmobs?

[graceful bluff]

fleshmobs are incredibly resistant to stun

[harsh kayak]

Wh-?

[odd arch]

I don't seem to be able to stun them as consistently as when I'm playing solo, or how I've seen hosts do it

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FwDMzIbZrg

dahir insaat's an unhinged concept company

[odd arch]

did they ever like... make anything

[graceful bluff]

lol no

[odd arch]

like none of their concepts obey basic laws of physics sure

but you'd think they'd make some basic shit to prove they're not a scam

[graceful bluff]

Also I find it kinda funny that in a roundabout way, this predicted the ukraine drone trucks

Just, you know, ukraines version was sane and worked

I still love the missile conveyer belt

[rare nymph]

The AT emplacement reminds me of a sane version of another dahir insaat concept

[split parcel]

How does this build look for maxing out on gas + fire memes while also retaining enough flexibility for general use?

[odd arch]

I'm not sure about cookout

the stagger is very welcome but staggerable things should vaporize to crisper + gas dog near instantly

[supple siren]

/gestures toward Predator Strain

I've been loving it for the biggerbugs

Too populous and too sturdy for torch/crisp to melt away fast enough

[odd arch]

gas dog will seek them out from a pretty long distance, and it'll be free to with how fast the normal horde will melt

but yeah they're a point in favour of cookout

I'm partial to scythe for a still fire-based alt

[split parcel]

How would Breaker Incendiary compare here?

[supple siren]

Sort of in-between, lot more range than the Flamethowers but not gonna stagger like the Cook

Both flame shotguns are fantastic against Shriekers though, s'that's fun

[split parcel]

That'll be nice, not a fan of Shriekers

[supple siren]

Breaker Incendiary kind of used to be The Bug Gun

[stone bridge]

I think the Cookout is gonna serve you better - fiscally, it's part of Freedom's Flame like the Crispr is, and mechanically, the stagger helps tremendously into Predator Strain

[split parcel]

Yeah that was kinda my take

[supple siren]

With a reload-boosting armor feels like it has an infinite clip, too

[split parcel]

I'm hoping that EAT will be enough anti tank considering I'm reserving the backpack slot already and I'm not really a fan of railgun

[supple siren]

honestly those two will solve just about any problems the bugs throw your way

Gives you room for just about anything in the secondary slot

[stone bridge]

Have you considered the Quasar Cannon instead? The charge time can be awkward but it's always available instead of needing to wait for EATs to drop in

[odd arch]

but then I can't use EAT pods as the funniest weapon possible

[supple siren]

I honestly feel like I end up firing more EAT-Its per game than Quasar charges

But I'm not running solo or anything

[odd arch]

EATheads will feast with the inevitable stun+incendiary hellpod booster teams

everyone else will probably develop chronic nightmares

[graceful bluff]

The eat pod is a weapon

[stone bridge]

I know?

I'm just offering an alternative

[split parcel]

I may consider the quasar! The charge time is a bit awkward but maybe the gas can buy me enough time for multiple shots

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to dive?

[stone bridge]

yeah, tinker with stuff and see how it feels!

[split parcel]

I would but I am at work. I will maybe be down in 3 hours or so though

[odd arch]

I find the EAT indispensable in colony maps because I get to make gates in the walls wherever I want

[verbal summit]

Hoverpack my beloved

[supple siren]

i'm somehow the only person in my usual group that likes hover/jump packs

but it does let me be real annoying about it

'ah that river seems like a real pain, good luck with that'

'ah jeeze, this position is really fortified. anyway.'

[odd arch]

jump pack goes crazy but somewhat less so if you're trying to be a team player

or well

sticks-with-the-team player

[supple siren]

i like bein' a little battlerat scurrying about while someone has an anti-tank emplacement on a hill a half mile out tbh

feels all.. Mixed Unit Tactics-y

[blissful sparrow]

flying tends to also be useful in bot bases. having to run all the way around the circles of the fortifications tends to be tedious

[odd arch]

it's extremely good for what I consider the strongest playstyle in the game, the Hot Pursuit

but I don't like to subject teammates to it

(the moment you encounter serious resistance you run away from it at the next objective, so the game's spawn budget is used up on your tail and reinforcement waves happen behind you, so you knock out barely defended objectives and if you need breathing room, well, the pursuers are behind you single file ripe for a stratagem)

it's my... "forgive me master" strat because it's basically distilled cheese

and by the time you swing around to where you started all the ambient spawns and stragglers despawned

[graceful bluff]

Having someone away from the group be a problem(tm) is also great

just calling in all the dropships in the ass end of nowhere

[verbal summit]

I love the hover pack too much

Since it came out I have only been able to swap to ballistic shield for a while before returning to hover pack

[supple siren]

it's so fun

even if i often get too confident with it into Hunters

'YOU'LL NEVER GET ME UP - oh yes the jumping'

those little bastards can really coordinate sometimes

[verbal summit]

Especially when I climb all the way up something n just shoot stuff with the eruptor from there

[supple siren]

Yesss, the height it gives is crazy

[odd arch]

my preferred eruptor movetech is fortified armor and personal shield

just calculate your trajectory well in advance so you don't hit your head on a rock

shoutout to the free personal shield event for making me remember it exists

I kinda discarded it from memory when it was the best in slot because I'm a hipster

[supple siren]

yeaaah I don't miss the Railgun/Personal Shield era

[odd arch]

...the eruptor eventually landing at staying good is my personal YE OF LITTLE FAITH moment

I didn't abandon it even during all the times it was bad because come on flak cannon

the cone of avoidance is a bummer and I wish it had an airburst setting that nullifies that but forgoes impact damage but oh well

going "to hell with that direction in particular" was the fantasy that drew me to it

and currently it's to hell with that guy and everyone to the sides of him

it's a great gun but big difference y'know

[strange vine]

(datamine spoilers) videos of the new warbond equipment
|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khjYm4z0WyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds2muLmxcSM ||

[graceful bluff]

(Do remember these values are subject to change)

||The AGL is gonna be meta as fuck though holy shit it rips biles apart||

[oblique hazel]

||I wouldn't call that ripping them apart, it took two full mags with a slow reload in between||

||it does look pretty spicy though||

[graceful bluff]

||Mainly because the aim wasn't great, once they got face shots it went down real fast||

[oblique hazel]

||possibly. Or possibly it just took that many arc ticks to bring it down regardless.||

[barren iron]

SMART PISTOL

IT'S PEEEEEEEAK

[graceful bluff]

||Bile titans have 6k health, and 1.5k on the head, if 2 mags did 6k it's still gonna be real nice :v||

||From the video is also seems like the lighting blasts from it has high pen, probably 7 like the arc thrower||

||Definitely 5 or above though||

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-i-don’t-need-it-i-definitely-don’t-need-it-thirsty-gif-17101453146721253330

[stone bridge]

||the arc dog seems to have a slow fire rate but it's neat||

[south temple]

|| inshallah the new rifle is medium pen||

||there was barely any footage of it but it looks cool||

[graceful bluff]

||Is it a stun rifle or electric||

[barren iron]

think it's just a rifle

[stone bridge]

||it's stun in the same way the pummeler is||

[graceful bluff]

ew

[stone bridge]

whaddya mean ew lol

[graceful bluff]

I just don't see the point of stun weapons

especially since most of them do a lot less damage

with only minor stuns

[stone bridge]

use em for a day and find out

[graceful bluff]

I tried that pre attachments

The halts stun is nice because firstly it's optional, and secondly it's a medium stun(5 seconds) rather than the pummelers small stun(1.5s)

[strange vine]

||its 9 x 50 damage AP4 arcs per grenade||

[graceful bluff]

||AP4 is surprising cause it was tearing bits off the bile||

[strange vine]

bile titan and chargers are only AV4

[graceful bluff]

||So it'll be great vs pmuch everything but factory striders||

||Unless the range is high enough for it to arc upwards into the belly when shot at the ground below it which would be very funny||

Also holy shit I thought the hitbox was just the eye this makes it a lot easier

[unreal merlin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtDMeLuaQAAZGE4.jpg:large

[azure pewter]

executive obrez

[dry canopy]

stuns are real!

an enemy that is stunned might as well be dead.

like, there's a meaningful difference(you have to shoot them more to confirm the kill) but the they stop attacking you right now can be invaluable for not dying.

[trim breach]

Stuns are best when you have a teammate that can capitalize

[unreal merlin]

I'd say that the ability to easily control who you're actively having to fight really enables you to dictate the pace of the engagement. By itself it's not usually a killing tool, but in tandem with other weapons or players it is a great force multiplier.

[trim breach]

But when you’re being rushed by stalkers?

This is why I’ve started taking the lib conc on predator strain maps

[dry canopy]

the blitzer is really my beloved vs bugs for this reason.

[unreal merlin]

The Halt is pretty ridiculous in letting you permanently manage hordes of otherwise scary enemies.

[marble parcel]

Blizter my beloved

[dry canopy]

bugs on you? not anymore.

[trim breach]

The punisher works well too

[marble parcel]

Punisher used to rip but they must have nerfed it since I last played

[trim breach]

Give it a choke

[dry canopy]

the arc thrower is also good for this reason, frankly. being able to chainstun harvesters knocks their entire threat out of existence.

and so on.

[trim breach]

Then you’re back in business

My one main beef with the blitzer is it often seems it doesn’t arc even when there’s plenty of targets

[marble parcel]

It doesnt chain through

[dry canopy]

the blitzer is exceptionally finicky and often hits one target or the ground multiple times

[marble parcel]

It used to be worse on release!

[dry canopy]

you gotta kinda wiggle it to make sure all five bolts don't hit the same guy forever

[trim breach]

On release it was completely useless

[dry canopy]

but frankly every arc thing has some sort of confusing jank to it.

arc thrower has the cone chain and hates shooting things near you, blitzer doesn't always split up, the tesla tower... the tesla tower.

[trim breach]

Because the arc was 100 percent broken so it never hit more than one target

[lethal delta]

I was so excited for the blitzer

But yeah, it's not great

[trim breach]

AND it had an even lower rof than it has now

[dry canopy]

didn't it also not autofire or something

[lethal delta]

It does autofire now?

[dry canopy]

(which sounds miserable, frankly. I never experienced it at the time, but. jeez.)

yeah it does

[trim breach]

It had like an Eruptor rof

Except it wasn’t a ohk on anything except scavengers

It only worked at about two meters

And it only ever hit one thing

[lethal delta]

Now it'd be ok if it didn't hit teammates

But the arc is wide enough to always hit someone next to me, but not wide enough to hit the enemies

It makes me so mad

[dry canopy]

eh, I haven't really had that issue. it's basically the same as the arc thrower, if you know the rough shape of the cone you can finesse it

but its cone is like way wider.

...the arc dog is going to kill so many helldivers.

[strange vine]

its the entire head piece; its just its covered by the head armor for every part except the eye

[graceful bluff]

I know, I'm saying I thought it was like the hulk, but there's a big area below the eye that also counts for the factory strider

meaning if you aim at the bottom of the eye you have a much bigger area to hit in case of sway/factory head movement

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Come slay the bug-oise https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1382256309185019954

[oblique hazel]

god secondaries are fucked on the bug megacities

I just scoured a map looking for secondaries, only found two, but the extract screen said there were five, credited us for one that doesn't even spawn on bug maps, and didn't credit us for one of the two we did do

[karmic prawn]

I can't believe the bugs have infiltrated this far into High Command

Major Truth was right!

[graceful bluff]

Yeah we've even had lidar stations and still had one mystery jar

[odd arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099080106145747005/1382356350201495663/RDT_20250611_080959900899253458027022.jpg?ex=684adb2c&is=684989ac&hm=52c50e545aa1e46951ae377128ab3c2102c4258472ae472ebe8427698c66e246&

[supple siren]

always through a goddamn building

[strange vine]

thoughts on this fit?

[odd arch]

peam

[warped cradle]

I may not have a brain, but I have a plan

[verbal summit]

Playing with randoms n we ran out of reinforcements n they just kept dying 10 seconds after I'd reinforce them so I cleared the last base n made it to extraction on my own with a bunch of bile titans following me. Felt awesome

[odd arch]

aura and hype moments

[split parcel]

Reminds me of when I was playing with some friends and was doing some increasingly ill advised plays and scraping by each time, I had the medium gas armor and we were getting pursued by a huge swarm of bugs. I plopped down some gas mines behind us and ran into the fumes. My teammates were like "uhhh I don't think that's a good idea". But with the medium gas armor I was basically taking no damage from the gas and the bugs were fumbling around aimlessly. I blasted them with my shotgun and yelled "I DO!!!"

Came out alive surrounded by a mountain of dead bugs

[odd arch]

standing in my own gas minefield is my main way to play bugs

[supple siren]

Cookout + Gun Dog has been delightful, you can just push through a crowd like it ain't there

[quick plinth]

soon, Blitzer+Arcdog

honestly Arcdog is gonna go hard simply because it has a higher firing position and thus its electricity will get stuck on corpses less often

[ionic holly]

Arcdog might actually convince me to run a dog

[verbal summit]

When does the warbond drop again?

I forget

[strange vine]

Some time tomorrow

You can prolly use the super store rotation as a timer

[ionic holly]

It might be overnight depending on where you are in the world, i know for me warbonds tend to drop at like.

4 am

[split parcel]

I've been using cookout + gas dog, it's wonderful

Against bugs at least

[verbal summit]

Oh right

There's so many fun things in it. Arc dog, arcnade launcher and smart pistol

[odd arch]

I was comparing some stats pondering my stratagems and noticed the HMG projectile is in files as 12.5mm BCHP

the obvious full name would be ballistic capped high pressure (or hard penetrator)

but I choose to believe it's hollow point because super earth

[royal lantern]

What about Big Chunky Heavy Projectile?

Incidentally, do folks think balancing a single shot grenade launcher in the primary slot would even be possible? It's an idea I've had for ages and feels like something that could come eventually

[verbal summit]

That just sounds like the eruptor but different so I guess yeah

[sharp crater]

it's doable.

[odd arch]

the eruptor and crossbow do the main thing that'd be concerning about grenade primary (easy patrol wiping and spawner closing)

[royal lantern]

Yeah I guess the question would really be how to differentiate it from those two

[sharp crater]

you should be able to hold down the primary fire button to "cook" the grenade projectile, allowing for banked shots and precise airbursts

[royal lantern]

Maybe an alternate fire mode that's a giant shotgun shell

[odd arch]

unreal flak cannon

do it cowards

[royal lantern]

Yes exactly

[odd arch]

eruptor is my most used gun because it's the closest thing to a flak cannon

and I would gladly have its power reduced if I could send shrapnel forward some way again

[royal lantern]

Honestly I would take the power reduced for a little less unwieldy

Using the eruptor feels like playing a tank in war thunder

[verbal summit]

I think it's good as is

[royal lantern]

Oh absolutely, it's got its niche

[verbal summit]

Then again I have all the attachments for handling

[uncut hatch]

Eruptor on release was a thing of beauty, could 1 shot chargers ans hulks if you knew where to position its shots for max frag damage

[odd arch]

I miss banking shots off the floor

it's still a thing but with the way the projectile is set up now just hitting stuff directly works just as well

[uncut hatch]

And idk if ive just gotten way way worse at animation canceling or they changed how it works on the eruptor but i cant get it to fire as fast as I used

Yeah but the bank shots let me aura farm

[verbal summit]

I assume they fixed whatever you used

[odd arch]

animation cancelling was called out in a patch note as fixed iirc

[uncut hatch]

Well at least it wasnt a skill issue on my part then still sad tho, miss my rapid fire explosive 50 cal

[keen zinc]

i hear the latest update is buggier than hell

[verbal summit]

I honestly try not to think too much about the realistic situation of super earth cus there's just no way it can exist.

I'd just lose it if I tried to think of what is going on in the background to sustain the situation.

[shy prairie]

Aren't there always illegal broadcasts on the bug front

[verbal summit]

Not always I guess not every mission at least. Idk

It's funny cus j come across em on the city maps n just shoot em with eruptor once n it's done.

Eruptor my beloved.

[unreal merlin]

They've been there, but the point I see is that it's in the megacities.

• illuminate invade super earth
• super president dies, secretary of defense takes over
• illuminate are repelled
• in theory there should be a new super president
• SUDDENLY there's an unprecedented terminid outbreak in places they've never been before
• suddenly helldivers are being deployed to rapidly and violently crush the bugs, but also silencing "illegal broadcasts" on the side
  it is an optic that very strongly leans into secdef redirecting to retain power

[odd arch]

good thing there was no foul play remotely possible with the president's death, that'd be a bad look

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVJBgkYtYk

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to dive?

[south temple]

inshallah they will release the warbond soon...

i'm fiending

[oblique hazel]

it'll be out <t:1749718800:R>

they always release at <t:1749718800:t>

[dry canopy]

arc dog... soon.

I can surely be trusted with arc dog.

I can surely trust other helldivers with arc dog.

I am putting on arc resistant armor right now

[blissful sparrow]

what is a helldiver but a jumping point for an extra arc connection

[cobalt patrol]

You cannot be trusted with Arc dog.

[oblique hazel]

Arc Dog cannot be trusted with Arc Dog tbh

[dry canopy]

I'm so excited for my beautiful hound to immediately savage every helldiver within thirty meters

[oblique hazel]

clearly the gameplan is to just get a full squad of divers all running full arc loadouts

[south temple]

😁

[sage plume]

<@&1206091872716595200> im going to sc farm before the new warbond comes out

[glad marsh]

I am also going to Sc farm before the new warbond comes out

[south temple]

new rifle looks peak

[ionic holly]

No mag attachments for the pacifier sadly

[south temple]

imagine how silly it would be with a drum

[ionic holly]

on the upside it has auto burst and semi

the pistol fires in a three round burst, love that

[steady flame]

Current opinion on the De-Escalator: Actually pretty decent! Good against chargers because it'll give them a moment to think.

[cobalt patrol]

Honestly, 50 dmg while not amaizng, but AP3 and stun makes it a very attractive bug option

[steady flame]

Mhm. It takes a couple of grenades to chew through the health, but then you get like 3-4 at few, 10-12 at most, kills at once.

[cobalt patrol]

Oh

Whoops

I thoguht you meant the AR

[steady flame]

Oh, no, I mean the GL.

[ionic holly]

Hrm
i do like the rifle but man as a tenderizer user that damage can be very felt

Different uses, i know, but its one of those small things you feel due to being used to a different damage profile

[winter shuttle]

hey

[odd arch]

being ap3 means it deals the same damage as an ap2 gun hitting the same armour

[winter shuttle]

does trying to custom ize the new gun crashes folks ?

[odd arch]

I think it will ironically be a mainly bot gun

because they have the most extreme ratio of armour coverage and very low HP weakpoints

[cobalt patrol]

Hmm, new AR is decent.

Agree on probalby a bot gun, just for head popping and the stun effect there beign really good

(esp since it means you arent getting shot back)

Feels like on the bot front if you're using it you want it in combo with something to sweep a group once you've stunend them

Pistol is... fine?

Lock on mode is nice for shirkers

[glad marsh]

Yeah that's my only reliable use case so far

It melts shriekers

[ionic holly]

Ehhh
considering its two full burst to the head to kill with the pacifier and only one with my tenderizer on warriors i'm gonna have to disagree

Big fan of the pistol though, didn't know it was gonna be burst fire and i adore that

I'll give it a go on bots and it's not like i think it's bad, just might be a situation of not the kind of tool i need

[winter shuttle]

the AR for me is being nice on bugs

since it avoids the headless charge

also do bugs not spawn in defensive missions ?

[ionic holly]

Tried it on bots, much prefer it here

same effeciency as the tenderizer with more forgiveness

[cobalt patrol]

Currently glitched

[ionic holly]

Yeah pacifier will be my bots AR

[oblique hazel]

While I have Thoughts™️ about the new offensive options, the armor passive from the new warbond is pretty solid

The chest damage reduction applies to damage you take to main through the chest (unlike servo assisted) which means it's a pretty damn impactful survivability buff

[ionic holly]

Some aspects of the new pistol feel a bit eh... dubious?
ive caught it just sorta bypassing stuff like heavy dev shields

[harsh kayak]

Is a smart gun

[ionic holly]

Yeah but i would assume it would still respect things like geometry

not just visibly phase through it

[harsh kayak]

Oh, it may outsmart geometry

[oblique hazel]

I just did some napkin math to better visualize the damage reduction, and the explanation I've come up with is that if you are shot in the chest while wearing the Light (50 AV) ballistic padding armor, you will take damage as if you were wearing the Enforcer medium-heavy armor (129 AV) instead

Approximately

[ionic holly]

Regardless of its intended or not, im not gonna get too comfortable with stuff like it ignoring dev shields
outside of that, really fun gun, only real complaint is that it's competing with my axe

[harsh kayak]

Where’d y’get the axe?

[ionic holly]

Also fun aspect of the pacifier, it plays rather well with my armour's melee damage

[ionic holly]

Superstore, servants of freedom rotation

its my preferred melee option for a few reasons

fully lethal focused, and doesnt have as long of an unsheathe animation as the saber

I only wish i could flip it and use the pick on the back as a med-pen melee option

[oblique hazel]

You should try the sword again, at least on squids

It's slash animation is much better at chopping off voteless legs than the axe is, which lets you get away with so much more in melee with them

Getting knocked down will usually cancel their attack animation and in general make it harder for them to attack effectively

[cobalt patrol]

Alt: Talon and headshots, and no more votless >.> (I snark, but i also find it hard to justify melee when there's so many other good secondaries that do stuff at range)

[oblique hazel]

And once they're on the ground they're likely to get their heads popped by you attacks at the legs of the rest of the voteless

Or you just leave them there and they bleed out on their own

[ionic holly]

I really dont want to with all due respect

unless i can cancel out of the unsheathe i have zero interest, melee is a backup not something i wanna prep

[oblique hazel]

That's fair I guess

[ionic holly]

As for cutting legs, axe does it perfectly and without me getting hit

[oblique hazel]

Not something I've ever had an issue with, but if it's a dealbreaker it's a dealbreaker

[odd arch]

can you use the draw emote with melee

[ionic holly]

Nope, you just do the finger gun version

[ionic holly]

I'd go into detail but i dont wanna drag down the mood

But yeah, pacifier is gonna be a very good companion to my melee endeavors
just, not on bugs
Bugs i just want my breaker S&P and not worry about them anymore

Also, GL is
interesting, honestly
i'll probably use it from time to time when im playing nuclear football

not really a complaint but the rounds reload will take a bit to get used to

[steady flame]

I think the Pacificer does well into both Bots and Bugs, but the De-Escalator I think I definitely prefer on Bugs than Bots.

But, in the words of the Big Lebowski, that's just like, my opinion, man.

[ionic holly]

It is a fair opinion

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Time for bugs https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1382691052141416522

[stone bridge]

I tested this out and the difference, if my side by side comparison is absolutely 100% correct and I mashed perfectly at the start of when an attack sequence is possible for each weapon, comes out to about...4 startup frames less at 60fps in favour of the axe, and it may very well be less depending on my own timing

It's really not anything

[strange vine]

oh my god the new patch fucks up other players' backpack

[stone bridge]

oh dear

[spare verge]

I noticed that yesterday
if you fly when it's not on your back for the other player you look like you're just ascending like a wizard and walking on air

[odd arch]

optimal

[strange vine]

did some testing of chest damage, single shot with liberator

100 armor

125 armor

150 armor

100 armor with 25% chest damage reduction

200 armor

150 armor with 25% chest damage reduction

[dry canopy]

that's pretty good.

[steady flame]

I take it 50 armour is instant kill??

[strange vine]

brings you down lower i assume, but not 1 shot

[keen zinc]

how often do you get hit in the chest i wonder

[strange vine]

ranged enemies shoot center mass

melee tends to hit limbs more often

[wide star]

bots tend to aim directly at your chest

i guess so would the illuminate

[keen zinc]

Who am I kidding, I never take off White Wolf anyhow

[odd arch]

I'm not sure what's the order of operations but that 25% goes a long way

probably dethrones michellin man's 200 armour in most circumstances

though I'll be real I can't bear playing in heavy armour

I don't want my power fantasy character to have my real life endurance

[uncut hatch]

heavy armor is my shit, pair it with a shield gen back pack and you just kinda dont die ever until a dog shoots you 37 hundred times in half a second and you get mulched

[keen zinc]

Nah the real answer is ballistic shield and stun baton

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1l9r1qq/i_love_the_design_of_the_factory_strider_closest/

[agile fable]

There are advantages to being made by communists

[weary granite]

Wait. It can Sing?

[strange vine]

Yeah https://youtu.be/6aQfKdpGXfA

[agile fable]

Sometimes I think about how the bots are sapient. Every single one of them.

[lethal delta]

That's a not very free through

[hallow gorge]

Some antidemocratic communist programmed the chainsaw arm robot to have thoughts

What horrors could a mind like that be thinking

Anyways I really hope we get some automaton lore stuff like "Helldiver helmets actually filter out light from automaton eyes to make them appear red instead of pink"

[weary granite]

Berserker: "I have no fingers. How can I enjoy my oil martini?! Truly a dreadful day."

[spare verge]

sometimes I think "what if the berserkers specifically volunteered for it, for whatever reason"

[agile fable]

I don’t have those

I care not for democracy, liberty, or anything like that. I am here to use the most cutting edge tech of your kind’s greatest trade.

That being, The Technology Of War

[trim breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqT3syajbmg

[kind cloud]

I think its more have to do with berserkers being scrapped and recycled looking versions of devastators

So devastators that were destroyed got scrapped up and retrofitted to become berserkers

[idle hollow]

Kinda like a skitarii sicarian kinda deal

tl;dr 40k mechanicus foot soldiers that are badly wounded are turned into more augmented and more disposable units used for shock attacks or infiltration

[harsh kayak]

Or green to red

[idle hollow]

at least some of the community are cooking

(liberating Inari will end the defence campaign on Alta V in our favour)

[warped cradle]

Seems like the bugs are gonna take Alta first though

[idle hollow]

give it time

[ripe iron]

<@&1206091872716595200> Time to Dive

[keen zinc]

@magic remnant

@green dagger

[unreal merlin]

yeah that's a big negative, they don't know how to cook

in theory yes it's a sound strategy, but it needs to be used at the right time and this isn't it

[strange vine]

bugdivers and sound tactical decisions name a less iconic duo

[unreal merlin]

Once again the enormous SPLIT POPULATION leads to neither succeeding. If the forces would unify and concentrate on one thing at a time it'd go a lot smoother.

[wide star]

feels like bugdivers are slowly taking on the same thinking patterns as the bugs themselves

[idle hollow]

22k knuckledraggers ruining everything i love it

whatever, taking inari will at least make the resistance on alta v lower i think

plus there's still 3 days

[unreal merlin]

I've still yet to see any confirmation that this is a real mechanic. I want it to be real but I've seen no proof.

[idle hollow]

whatever i did my bit today

[wide star]

to be fair

part of this is that nothing ever happens on the bot front

we're fairly irrelevant unfortunately

[idle hollow]

for now

[ripe iron]

A good amount of the early MOs were bots

[sweet surge]

Bots haven't had much focus recently

But I wouldn't call them irrelevant

[uncut hatch]

Why do people care about the galactic map strategy so much in this game? Like if the mo fails or succeeds it doesnt matter, the story progresses in one way or another at the end of the day

[odd arch]

feels good to win

it's kinda taking up on what the DMs are putting down

bit more personal

[tall stone]

I would never call the Bot front irrelevant.

[idle hollow]

because i like getting medals

[uncut hatch]

Fair but counter point, ive been medal capped for the past 2+ months

[strange vine]

I may go to the same destination but i still care about what i see when i go walking on a nature trail

[uncut hatch]

Okay but why get mad when other people want to take a different trail?

[idle hollow]

counter counter point i dont have all the war bonds yet and i still need more medals for polar patriots (the artic scout armour), borderline justice, urban legends, and freedom's flame

i still dont own chemical agents, servants of freedom, truth enforcers, force of law or masters of ceremony

[uncut hatch]

I dont even have half of them, i just dont get super credits v fast

[lethal delta]

So

How is the new pistol?

[strange vine]

A little more gimmicky than strictly good and its got a fair amount of weird bugs but its fun imo

[odd arch]

honestly I wish gimmicky was the default

this game is stupid and I love that

I think part of why crossbow is so disliked is that people are subconsciously rustled by how it just always works perfectly good rather than it being simply OP

[blissful sparrow]

i love the crossbow 😔

it can take out bot and bug holes, is hilarious to get killed by in melee and with siege ready just absolutly shits out explosions

[odd arch]

I've always been team eruptor because it's like a crossbow that hates you

real "they were too preoccupied with whether they could..." vibes

[blissful sparrow]

Also Crossbow is just a Spinfusor

[stark ether]

oh hey sony removed a bunch of the country purchase restrictions

[uncut hatch]

Tribes mentioned 🥳

[idle hollow]

very fun

if a little glitchy

The arc grenade launcher is also apparently quite good for bugs and squids, being able to stop/interfere with chargers mid-charge and slow down huge mobs of voteless and bugs

[hazy oriole]

do stims have issues with round reload weapons like the deescalator?

[idle hollow]

everywhere but Vietnam, Russia, Belarus, North Korea, Cuba, Iran and Syria

(japan has their own version of HD2 due to microtransactions regulations over there iirc)

[steady flame]

All of those but Viet Nam seem obvious, but why Viet Nam?

[azure pewter]

iirc vietnam has restrictions on foreign videogames

[steady flame]

Ahhh. Also, yes Japan has their own version of HD2, but they use the same servers. The difference is in how it handles SC, erm, IIRC it distinguishes collected and brought SC due to Japanese regulations?

[idle hollow]

vietnam and steam are having a feud

it's silly

[strange vine]

Believe thats so

[verbal summit]

I mean it's fun but I don't really care. Whether it works out or not it's not worth wasting my breath on it. You can't really coordinate thousands of people like this so they'll end up doing what they do. It'd be a waste of my breath and mood to care

Plus I wanna fight bots

Bots for 162829293 years please

100 bot MOs back to back

No bugs no squids, just turn every planet into a black hole

Except for the bot front

[keen zinc]

Yeah that confused me

the rest are definitely in the "considered bad" group except what did vietnam do

[idle hollow]

as above, vietnamese government is having a feud with steam and has their own laws and restrictions on video games

Steam is entirely banned in vietnam and games require a localisation and censoring to fit their regulations

[steady flame]

Oh. I see.

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> Who's up for some diving?

[stark ether]

Yeah iirc in Japan when a live service game shuts down they have to refund any non spent bought premium currency

[strange vine]

https://youtube.com/shorts/3vPUnqXF_uk

[graceful bluff]

I feel like the urchin needs at least two more grenades for it to be worth grabbing

[supple siren]

Yeaaah that one I don't quite understand

Stun Grenades already incredibly potent

[weary granite]

BRUH MY REGION IS NO LONGER LOCKED YES

Wants to buy Super Citizen Bundle, and checks Steam Store

Sees Bug where Super Citizen Bundle is just TWO Copies of Helldivers 2

"Noooooooooooooo"

https://tenor.com/view/nao-no-starwars-darth-vader-gif-7192124

[strange vine]

seeing some theories that since the overseers have the same sorts of innards as harvesters, stingrays, and leviathans they are actually just genetically engineered war machines and not actual illuminate

[karmic prawn]

It would be very funny if the "Great Host" was just a few Illuminate incredibly aggrieved about Meridia getting dumped on their front lawn

The other Illuminate are annoyed about it but don't want to get bogged down in another war with Super Earth

[burnt vapor]

In the first war all the Illuminate floated via psionics and were roughly helldiver sized iirc so comparing that to the Overseers who are larger and walk or use jetpacks I think that theory makes sense

[ionic holly]

you ever get grouped with folk who really shouldnt be doing the difficulty they're on?

[stone bridge]

yup

[ionic holly]

just didnt really expect to run into such on 7s

[cobalt patrol]

Sevens and eighths is where I'd expect to run into it most

[unreal merlin]

frequently

[cobalt patrol]

It does happen on 10s, but usually i can carry

Or I see the warning signs and bail early

[oblique hazel]

its much more common on diff10 bugs than either other faction

...its much more common on bugs in general tbh

I gotta say I've been doing a lot of bugs recently, and I'm really feeling what people say about bugdivers

I've been matching with consistently the worst randoms I've had in months

[verbal summit]

Was on diff8 on bugs n my team ran through all 20 reinforcements while I didn't die once

[ionic holly]

jesus H christ, this is awful

they just dont know how to fight-
anything really

its morbid fascination keeping me in at this point

[verbal summit]

Lol

I don't mind as much I guess I just try to avoid em cus I can't trust them with their eruptors

Like I'll go off on my own if any of em have explosive stuff or a tendency to blow up teammayes

[ionic holly]

This isnt me wanting to complain about folk but it was
wild, didnt know how to fight bugs or illuminate despite all of em seeming somewhat experienced

Couidnt crack harvesters, couldnt crack
any heavies

[unreal merlin]

It could be worse. I've a friend who, while dead, spectated the randoms he was playing with.

They were frequently complaining about how the game was too hard.

They were not aiming. You know how you hold RMB to aim? They weren't doing that, just hipfiring.

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for a dive?

[terse shoal]

sure

[verbal summit]

Yknow I take it back maybe some randoms just have bad moments

I just managed to lose a difficulty 5 mission

[steady flame]

Also erm, looping back to this because I thought of it from another server.. What's Syria doing on this list? Did.. Did SONY just not get the memo?

Amko The Terrible (He/Him) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) the rest are definitely in the "considered bad" group except what did vietnam do

[oblique hazel]

so uh... I've discovered an odd bug

my game crashes any time I open my cookout's weapon skin menu

I can still do the normal customization, and its not happening with other guns

but its happened 3 times to me today

[cobalt patrol]

@oblique hazel iirc, this is a known bug, it's on their agenda

[oblique hazel]

its not on their Known Issues

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Once more into the meatgrinder https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1383391414322335824

[oblique hazel]

@odd arch spot opened up if you want in

[odd arch]

oh no I'm at work

missclicked

[weary granite]

This is my reaction. Are you for real?

[hexed steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1383434524196864100 <@&1206091872716595200> the dive is at hand

[split parcel]

I think I'll hop in

[sharp crater]

what difficulty you folks playin on?

ah nvm y'all filled up

[strange vine]

Apparently theres a bug where the de-escalator deals more damage the more players are in the squad

Woops lol

[cobalt patrol]

Oh no XD

[steady flame]

Oop.

[hexed steeple]

got a slot open

[strange vine]

Idea: Incendiary Corps Immolator Tank - Its an annihilator tank but the hull mg is replaced with a flame mortar like the hulk firebomber and the coaxial mg is replaced with a flamethrower with 3 times the range of the hulk scorcher's

[ripe iron]

why would you put such evil into words

[odd arch]

not getting out of the inflammable armour + personal shield with that one

that hulk mortar is genuinely the most threatening enemy weapon in the game

[ripe iron]

once again, a slot has opened for divin

[hexed steeple]

i can kill anything

[harsh kayak]

<@&1206091872716595200> trying the achievement for an extreme sub 6 minutes blitz, anyone wanna join?

(We’re in Horus)

[upbeat vector]

Do Impalers have a weakpoint that lets you kill them quickly?

[ionic holly]

Their face when they have their tentacles in the ground

[upbeat vector]

I shot two EATS into it and it didn't die

[calm sorrel]

specifically their forehead, not anywhere on the face

[upbeat vector]

Not the eyes?

[calm sorrel]

nope, that pale spot just between the eyes and the carapace

[upbeat vector]

Ok

[ionic holly]

Eugh.
their eyes wig me out something fierce

[crystal badger]

You mean their nostrils?

[upbeat vector]

Wait but that's where I shot?

[calm sorrel]

have I been doing trickshots for no reason then?

[ionic holly]

I just chunk a strafing run at em myself, if their face is unguarded it usually kills

[verbal summit]

Sometimes this game can just be mean and decide that actually you didn't do shit when you clearly hit em in the face with an eat

Same with harvester legs

Those are the only 2 I really have issues with

I guess bile titan heads but I'll believe I simply missed

[ionic holly]

Oh right speaking of game funkiness
spear is
being weird again with its lock on

sometimes ill get a ghost lock while aiming at a valid target and its actually locking onto the sky or something behind me

Its usually fixed with a quick switch to first person or dropping lock and relocking but still

[hearty pier]

Yeah, I've put in a bug report for that. It seems to be happening to me when the lock point is obscured from my position.

[karmic prawn]

Gunship fire bomber

[stone bridge]

A single Strafing Run will kill an Impaler outright as long as it's about parallel with its face, deployed or not

[spare verge]

hoping the erroneous tagging on the stingrays means we'll get some sort of bot jet fighter too

[karmic prawn]

Imagine

Shriek Titan

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1lbi9jk/motivational_shocks_helps_enemies_recover_from/

[stone bridge]

[unreal merlin]

[glad marsh]

[unreal merlin]

Always do your due diligence and put your sentries atop rocks or other slightly elevated positions. Alternatively, identify where you're going to be standing (e.g. to defend) and put the turret around corners so it is not capable of swiveling around to shoot you.

[graceful bluff]

also always mark it

[dry canopy]

the tesla tower is dramatically less threatening than the gatling sentry, frankly.

[steady flame]

It's more predictable, but also more annoying to work with.

[dry canopy]

throw it and don't be where it is, easy peasy. the gatling sentry can kill you from any range if it ever finishes off a batch of targets.

[steady flame]

And then there's people who stick tesla towers right next to you when they know you're there. :V

[dry canopy]

also you can crawl to avoid the tesla tower, nervewracking as that might be.

[tall stone]

But why do I have to pay attention to where something else is?! /s

[steady flame]

That's the "annoying" bit I mentioned earlier, FWIW, not the "stay away".

Joan, a Responsible Hydra Pilot ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) also you can crawl to avoid the tesla tower, nervewracking as that might be.

[karmic prawn]

Oh crawling won't save you from the arcs though

I suspect that's the real reason: umpredictable death

[cobalt patrol]

Chaining is the big issue, yeah.

[keen zinc]

and then Nalesh throws the tesla between you and the objective because he is a TRAITOR

[unreal merlin]

telsa is very nice as long as you're aware of it

[graceful bluff]

While marked and vocalized, in a large mass of enemies, with the intent of destroying it before moving on :v

[oblique hazel]

Yeah, the Gatling sentry has a very clear (if large) threatened area that you can actually avoid by crouching, the you can just randomly fucked by Tesla fucks with very little warning or predictability even if you're otherwise well outside it's radius

[graceful bluff]

I've seen the gatling sweep several players even in scenarios where there weren't even enemies nearby, probably due to seeing one through a wall or something

And honestly, calldown per calldown, I've by far gotten killed by, and seen people getting killed by, the gatling more than the tesla in normal gameplay. It's just that the tesla kill is more memorable

[cobalt patrol]

The gattling you have a few moments of the bullets hitting you to know your doomed

[graceful bluff]

I must admit I'm not really counting incidents where people just run into a tesla tower out of combat. Because I like to believe people have more self preservation than the local moth going into a bug zapper

[odd arch]

I throw tesla towers in the exact middle of enemy spawn waves and someone still manages to run into them and I get kicked

like bro statistically speaking I've most likely thrown an orbital/eagle in there

why are you chasing my ball

[graceful bluff]

Yes that's amko, running past like 5 fleshmobs and 20 voteless to get to the shiny glow of the tesla tower :v

[odd arch]

forbidden lämp

unfortunately tesla towers works best where they have the most potential for team kills: a small distance behind a corner

[alpine seal]

maybe i shouldnt have brought it into the big city

[odd arch]

it's the standardized citizenship test

if they didn't know not to run towards the glowing helldiver, they were enemy agents

[graceful bluff]

honestly this combo could be kinda fun, just laying at the base of a tesla tower zapping things while your dog zaps things too

(also another important thing about tesla towers is that the arcing really does not want to change vertical plane, so throw them down hills)

[unreal merlin]

also note that being prone is not full protection from tesla towers, it just shortens the distance at which you get targeted. you're still at risk of chains and if you get too close it'll still just fry you

but if you walk into range and it starts charging, dropping prone will spare you

[alpine seal]

i did run it indeed

the better approach ended up being to spread them out and overlap fire on a bug breach

[odd arch]

you can prone all over the tesla tower's base

it's chains that get you

[ionic holly]

i normally don't like relying on mods for fashion but since this is only removing one aspect of the helmet, i'll live

[odd arch]

what did it remove

[graceful bluff]

The pickel

Funniest shit I've ever seen

[ionic holly]

The lil spike on the top

[unreal merlin]

my experience suggests otherwise, but granted it's not like I try doing this on a regular basis anyway. I just keep my distance in the first place.

[graceful bluff]

Do note that the gamestate of prone, and just laying down are different

if you're ragdolled you're no longer prone

if you're midair during a dive, you're prone

so you can just spam dives to get past a tesla tower

[ionic holly]

also i was too harsh to the stun lance

i tried it again today with my bearer of the standard armour and it's perfect

like, i knew it was a good weapon it's just that originally i wasn't a fan of the poking approach

but then i brought it to bots and i fell in love

there is nothing like just stabbing through a like of berserkers with the power of stick

or melee killing hulks and tanks

[odd arch]

yeah I tried the swingy weapons since not needing to aim and hitting multiple enemies in one swing sounds so much better on paper

but lance remains goated

hatchet is nice when I need to send that specific guy to the shadow realm/the horde is trickling in instead of moving as a wall

but stun baton feels like the worst of both worlds

[ionic holly]

Clearly we need a lethal poking stick (not really)

[ionic holly]

I think the only things i've not melee killed so far are gunships, factory striders, leviathans, and stingrays now

3 of which you Just Can't without some severe glitching

[odd arch]

hatchet should be able to kill striders pretty handily if I understand how it works

[ionic holly]

Maybe, but that's a tango i'm not ready for

I do find it funny the shriekers are the only flying unit i've successfully melee killed

[verbal summit]

It's too real

My friend finally joined team arc tower love

But it took a while

When I first brought it out he genuinely shot it on sight

Took a few games for me to be able to place them

[odd arch]

arc tower + machine gun or gattling is greater than the sum of its parts

(I also did flamer sentry but that was mostly for the funny)

the gun turret clears the arc tower's base of small fry so it can get proper chains going

the average arc tower death is when it gets swarmed with trash so it's stuck zapping them one by one, now unable to stop units that can actually hurt it from approaching

and the gun turret doesn't blow all of its ammo on armor anymore

[cobalt patrol]

This is why you'll see me go yeeting backwards sometimes in illuminatem isisons

[unreal merlin]

828 kills and a full 40 minute mission, because my one teammate only ran around stabbing things with the One True Flag.

Scythe (Ex.Cap, Angle Grip) / Talon / Gas Grenade
Quasar / AC Sentry / Rocket Sentry / MG Sentry```

just 40 minutes of absolutely constant shooting, rotating between scythe and talon, quasar whenever it was available to kill chargers/BTs/impalers

[ripe cloud]

I'm really mad that the new warbond reset the superstore rotation

(I really need the cinderblock armor)

[cobalt patrol]

Honestly, you gotta give him credit.

[unreal merlin]

I kinda do, he wasn't doing NOTHING with the flag but damn bro you see me struggling to save you from the 5th breach you triggered and you're not even helping a little bit? >:T

[hexed steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1383764042555986001 <@&1206091872716595200> dive the heart of hell

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/not-the-hero-we-deserve-gif-13014154

[split parcel]

<@&1206091872716595200> any...erm...divers?

[oblique hazel]

I can hop on in ~10 minutes

[split parcel]

nice

i don't know how to make one of those temporary voice channels

[trail nymph]

Join the +New channel and it will make one

[oblique hazel]

alright I'm hopping on now

[split parcel]

#6769-8152

[odd arch]

oh hey I might revive in time

[split parcel]

We got room for another!

[odd arch]

game is so good without leviathans overhead

curse you bayle

[terse shoal]

<@&1206091872716595200> yo anyone wanna dive? in hell, even?

[runic cairn]

im down

[oblique hazel]

huh

has anyone else heard whale noises while in orbit around Alta V?

[warped cradle]

I think it's just leftover sound files from the Great Host

I've heard similar sounds on various bot and bug planets

[ionic holly]

Hit the big 100 finally

[graceful bluff]

sneaking bots are just so relaxing

Would be even more relaxing if the rest of the squad isn't sounding like they got put in the spin cycle though :v

I also forgot just how good it is to just throw down a machinegun sentry on the opposite end of a base as you sneak in. They don't call drops on lone sentries, so it's an amazing distraction

[graceful bluff]

You've got to be squidding me

[strange vine]

owned

[trim breach]

For me this is the Lib Carbine

I want my drum mag goddamnit

[ionic holly]

Yeah iunno what it is but stun lance has made me properly enjoy the pacifier on all 3 factions now

well, 2, i already liked it on bots

[split parcel]

I gotta get the stun lance

I need my shield + Lance combo

[ionic holly]

i was far too harsh to the lance
that or the reinforced epaulets melee damage buff is really bring it all together

[blissful sparrow]

Lance is my go to with Crossbow, cause i need an alternative for when enemies are within 15cm of me. and lance is so comfortable for that

[ionic holly]

I just like the melee weapons personally
also iunno why but it feels like the lance just
eats less stamina than my axe? I doubt it ACTUALLY does but it FEELS that way

Also mild personal gripe for me and me alone
man i realize i have nothing i want to use for the underbarrel for the pacifier

Recoil is non existent to me so i dont need a vertical, and it already has a ton of ergo so an angled isnt worth the increased recoil

and i dont like flashlights or need a need laser so that combo is unneeded too

[strange vine]

just take off the underbarrel then :v

[ionic holly]

I am, im not saying i wont its just one of those things where stats make one unneeded to me

just means my gun is basically done now

[odd arch]

flashlights give a 0.3% reduction in teammates walking in front of your bullets

worth

[blissful sparrow]

bullets give a 100% reduction in that teammate standing infront of your next bullet

[verbal summit]

Cluster strike removes all future friendly fire incidents

Until they respawn

[ionic holly]

Wh
fuckin
primary job doer for a mission, bring an smg to carry the black box and everything (and do that+the tower solo) do atleast 3 outposts and a side objective solo, 300+ kills type shit
and i get kicked

like if it was the host just leaving thats one thing, happens, but fuckin
a kick?

i didnt even friendly fire

[ionic holly]

shrug

regardless, urchin get

[sharp crater]

anytime I get kicked from randoms (not often), I always chalk it up to: "host wants to play with a buddy and kicks somebody to make room in the lobby at random. Didn't get lucky today."

[lethal delta]

Most likely

[cobalt patrol]

I tend to give a warning if i'm going to kijck someone for bad behaviour, or it's really obvious they're misbehaving (teamkilling, etc)

[crystal badger]

I kick people immediately if they take the wrong boosters or bring certain strategems. I also kick everyone off my ship when I'm done playing so they don't have to wait while I upgrade my guns and spend my medals.

[split parcel]

What are the wrong boosters and stratagems?

[crystal badger]

Bad boosters is anything off-meta, but this only applies on high-difficulty missions. Bad strategems is anything likely to kill teammates—antipersonnel or incendiary mines, laser guard dog or K-9, tesla tower, and HE mortar against anything other than bots. I'd also kick someone for bringing incendiary hellpods, but I've never actually seen someone do that.

[oblique hazel]

meta boosters are Hellpod Optimization, Vitality Enhancement, Stamina Enhancement, Experimental Infusion, and maybe Muscle Enhancement depending on the planet

[crystal badger]

^

[oblique hazel]

the difference in booster quality is so massive that taking anything else outside of very specific mission types is tantamount to actively sabotaging your squad

Armed Resupply is useable on Rocket Defense and Eradicate Missions since you don't really need Stamina on those missions, and the two Sample Boosters aren't horrible on lower difficulties if you, y'know, need samples

but the others range from questionably useful even on lower difficulty missions to literally more detrimental to you than they are beneficial

[lethal delta]

The only booster I'd argue it's openly trolling is the one where you lose health to sprint

That's terrible

[oblique hazel]

eh, at least that one has some positive utility in letting you sprint for longer

thats not nothing

the big 3 that I will kick people on the spot without a warning for are Firebomb Hellpods, Stun Hellpods, and Motivational Shocks

(Motivational Shocks is currently bugged to also apply to enemies, which is a very big deal because we stagger them a hell of a lot more than they stagger us)

[split parcel]

I typically bring Vitality Enhancement because I like to bring gas stuff

[oblique hazel]

thats a good default choice, it is far and away the best booster in the game

[lethal delta]

Vitality is the one I always bring

[split parcel]

After that I like Hellpod Optimization if someone's already brought VE

And after that the stamina one

(Those are all I have lmao)

[oblique hazel]

thats a good order, though I would argue defaulting to stam over hellpod

[split parcel]

It's a personal preference thing

[crystal badger]

Except it doesn't let you sprint for longer, it literally does the opposite. Normally, when you're out of stamina you can still sprint at a reduced speed, which is useful in certain situations. With Dead Sprint, you become limited in how long you can sprint by your health.

The most important consideration is that in the primary situation where Dead Sprint would theoretically be useful, being chased by bugs, it ends up being a detriment instead, especially if you're wearing light armor, where being just shy of full health can be the difference between surviving and dying to certain attacks.

[lethal delta]

I usually go vitality, stamina (because I mostly run heavy armor), optimization, and a budget one

[oblique hazel]

its more that randoms are more likely to bring hellpod op if noone else has it than they are stamina, despite stamina being incredibly impactful

[lethal delta]

And yeah, dead sprint has not a lot of practical use other than trolling

[split parcel]

Yeah its good for sure. I'm just saying if no one else brings Hellpod Optimization or Stamina, and someone already brought Vitality, I typically go Hellpod Optimization

They're both really good

Buddy's been bringing the Experimental Injection booster from Viper Commando and we've been having a good time with that one

[lethal delta]

When I'm running a full squad, we usually go vitality, stamina, experimental, and then whatever but most often optimization

[split parcel]

What difficulty did we do the other day? I can't remember

[oblique hazel]

10

[split parcel]

I thought that was right but couldn't remember

Really enjoying the cookout, wish it had some more attachments but it proooobably doesn't need them

I gotta get a bit further in Democratic Detonation for the grenade pistol so I can save my gas grenades for something that isn't bug holes or fabricators lmao

Just got the Eruptor, I bet that'd be fun with Siege Ready armors

[lethal delta]

My issue so far with the game is that I never ever see any reasoning to take out my talon

It's always useful and 90% superior to other options in the secondary slot

And often, when it's not the best, it's the second best

[oblique hazel]

Cookout will probably get barrel chokes eventually like the other shotguns, but I wouldn't expect much else

[split parcel]

God, full choke cookout sounds nuts

Duckbill sounds pretty good too

I kinda waffled a bit on cookout or breaker incendiary but the stagger on cookout is sooooo nice

Especially with gas dog and advanced filtration, I feel almost immune to getting flanked lmao

And with heavy armor even if I do get tagged it's usually not serious

[crystal badger]

Having tried every muzzle attachment on the Punisher, I personally prefer no choke. The wider cone makes it easier to hit hunters at point-blank range, which is the most important factor for me. If you want a light armor penetrating weapon with stopping power that's more effective at range, there are better options.

[split parcel]

Yeah the more I think about how cool multiple chokes on the cookout would be, the more I feel like just As Is its pretty dang good

Just right for focusing someone down, just right for shooting into a crowd

Great middle ground

[crystal badger]

It is, though I personally don't think it's worth the damage downgrade over regular buckshot. Takes too long to kill Predator Stalkers in particular.

[split parcel]

I typically run gas dog so that combination feels like it gives me a lot of comfort to shoot once or twice into most things and be confident that they'll die soon while they fumble around from the gas

Cookout + gas dog I mean

Plus double dots are fun

[crystal badger]

More dots! More dots!

[split parcel]

Feels safe and efficient

Bit low on anti-tank and super long range but ayyy that's what quasar's for baybeeee

[crystal badger]

The Quasar is good, but not having anything readily accessible for medium enemies or bug holes seems like it would be a problem.

[split parcel]

My usual loadout is Heavy Advanced Filtration with cookout, crisper/stim pistol, gas nades, quasar, gas strike, gas mines, gas dog, vitality enhancement. Works like a charm

[unreal merlin]

if you get creative there's lots of ways to destroy bug nests and medium enemies

[marble parcel]

grenade pistol is my go-to

[unreal merlin]

my most recent anti-bugnest development was dropping sentry hellpods on them :)

[split parcel]

It's not too bad, hulks and scout striders are a bit annoying, but all the gas I've got neutralizes them pretty well at least. I've been using gas nades for holes and fabricators and such, but I'm gunning for the grenade pistol in DD to ameliorate all that for my secondary and really round out the build

Despite how much I love the stim pistol and crisper lol

[crystal badger]

My go-to for bugs is Light Scout armor, Punisher, Ultimatum, and Thermites with the Grenade Launcher, Supply Pack, Orbital Rail, and Machinegun Sentry.

[lethal delta]

I always run quasar. I love having two reliable infinite ammo weapons on demand

[split parcel]

Yeah its super nice

I kinda had to take quasar because I'm not quite good enough with railgun yet and I had to keep the backpack slot free

Because I never leave home without that stanky dog

Unless it's a defense mission and I just load up on gas mines, incendiary mines, tesla tower, and some other stationary defense thing. Usually rocket sentry

[odd arch]

I don't trust the railgun anymore

started getting incidents where I fire off a full charge shot and then a moment later I explode

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> bots?

[agile fable]

I like the bots

autocorrect will face the wrath of an overcharged hellbomb

[idle hollow]

stealth buff

very nice

[barren iron]

a stealth buff for their nerf

[odd arch]

what nerf?

[hearty pier]

That it now overheats like a normal scythe

[odd arch]

huh

guard dog is... not anywhere on my list of things that needed a nerf

[oblique hazel]

I assume both changes had more to do with fixing how buggy guard dogs have been rather than anything to do with balance

[calm sorrel]

yeah, when it suddenly needed to return to the backpack to cool down that was probably an unintentional nerf

the wiki says it was an "undocumented fix" to its heat accumulation, but it's just as likely it was a bug

[barren iron]

guard dog is pretty good

routinely my friends who play with guard dog get tha most kills by a long shot