Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[dry canopy]

and shield pack is just good for not getting shot and obliterated by leviathans.

also yeah, having a reliable stun or gas effect is great - outside of super earth I swear by the arc thrower against basically everything because it's so flexible - 55m range, AP 7 so it does damage guaranteed against everything, and it stuns harvesters(with shield down), hulks, and chargers and everything smaller.

[odd arch]

I don't have the arc upgrade so I was very disappointed by the thrower when I took it for a spin on earth

[dry canopy]

in super earth it's a lot less effective

just in general.

shorter sightlines, fewer harvesters, and it's fairly common to get flanked which all hurt it a lot

[odd arch]

so this is the Xth super earth, and it has the superstone park

do you think they terraform each super earth down to the national parks

had*

[spare verge]

the year is 214. last year was 214. next year will be 214.

[winter shuttle]

i been using tenderizer, punnisher

precision air strike, wasp, any exo suit, gatling barrage

[karmic prawn]

The eruptor and mmg are also a very solid combo

Will handle everything but leviathans

Even quick snipes on landed ships if the door lines up right

[primal river]

This is super healpful thank you. I would maybe request this getting pinned if others think that worthwhile?

[karmic prawn]

I was advised to nab Democratic Detonation first and it was great advice

There's a bunch of useful bits to open up your loadout

They're particularly helpful on the bug front where there's so many bug holes you need to use explosives on

[oblique hazel]

not gonna argue with its placement here, but I will say that the grenades from Masters of Ceremony are really solid. They're the awkward lovechild of incendiary impacts and frags, but they can clear hordes like no tomorrow and you get 6 of them

in particular, they melt bug breaches, and they hold alleys/choke points on city maps really well

[frosty nexus]

They also kill overseers and tripods for some reason

[oblique hazel]

The sparks they shoot off is AP5, which is why it can kill Harvesters

They can kill Overseers because they are grenades

[unreal merlin]

It's entirely my subjective, biased opinion so I'm in no rush to insist that it's some credible reference, but i don't mind if someone does wind up pinning it

[versed hamlet]

there's a ton of ways to improve ergonomics tho which I'm pretty sure boosts aiming speed (which in turn can help with recovering from recoil (?))

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, that's mostly true.

Recoil reduction flat out means the gun won't bounce as much, but higher ergo means you can manually reaim faster

Personally I think higher ergo is the way to go, within reason, as you can always crouch or lie flat to massively boost your recoil reduction as well

[versed hamlet]

oh I crouch a lot, that might have influenced my perception of the tradeoff

[cobalt patrol]

And all the recoil reduction in the world doesn't help when your first shot staggers a Harvey and you have to retarget

(also higher ergo makes it faster to start shooting, since I believe it affects how fast you cycle into fpv/how fast you draw your weapon)

[versed hamlet]

I do think that the sights shouldn't effect ergo because it makes it less of a distance/comfort choice and more of a 'how much qol are you willing to sacrifice to do stuff faster'

[cobalt patrol]

I'm okay with it because I think it's a nice trade off - weapon is less agile for more functional at range

[versed hamlet]

iron sights does hurt my brain less than the default liberator scope recoil animation so I guess I can't complain much

[versed hamlet]

hm I guess I could also be thinking about it the inverse way where someone could use scope for range and third person for close with no penalty if ergo wasn't a factor

[cobalt patrol]

Like I'll probably eat the mild ergo hit on the deadeye to get a x10 scope on it

Because it's such a light weapon that ergo doesn't have a huge effect, but being able to reliably drop bots at crazy ranges will be great

[cobalt patrol]

The other thing is that low ergo actually reduces sway, and possibly also recoil? Because the weapon's heavier. They mentioned something like that in the weapon customization video

So it's not a strict negative.

[junior badge]

Anyone up for a few dives?

[oblique hazel]

I could hop on for a mission or two in a bit

not up for comms tonight tho

[junior badge]

Fine by me 🙂

Just lets me play slightly higher diffs than soloing

[cobalt patrol]

@oblique hazel @junior badge If you wanna join on me

i was thinking of some D10 squiddies

[oblique hazel]

Sounds perfect

[steady flame]

Can I tag along too?

[junior badge]

I'll give it a shot - but I haven't actually played in a while, so no idea if I can do d10

[cobalt patrol]

Sure thing

9654-7139 is my in game friend code

i also wont be on voice

[junior badge]

huh, just spawned in behind the gate thing

had to hit E to properly spawn

[cobalt patrol]

poke poke Ya coming?

[steady flame]

Sorry, game is having a moment. ><

..Probably not gonna make it, sorgy. Need to debug da game.

[cobalt patrol]

It's all good

[odd arch]

I did like 5 SC farming runs and my soul is dead

this is no way to live

[versed hamlet]

imo they're much more tolerable while you're chatting

but yeah very soul crushing nonetheless
you can only flip a car so many times while running around a trival map before it gets boring as hell

[cobalt patrol]

This is why i just... dont do it if i can avoid it

[odd arch]

I'm tired of having one (1) warbond and there's no SC on super earth

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, this is where y ou cough up the real money if you can

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> Who's up for some diving

[odd arch]

see, this is why I farm

it's more time efficient to go to work and earn the money for SC

and that's a monetization scheme where they create a problem to sell the solution

and I'm putting myself through this because I'm petty

is bro ok

[weary granite]

Wait. That's illegal

[cobalt patrol]

I... well, i'm judging you for this, i gotta be honest

Esp since most games dont evne have free currency

[odd arch]

I'd consider it if I knew what portion goes to sony and what to devs

[cobalt patrol]

I have no idea, but the devs have been very clear that buying the warbonds etc keeps the studio ticking

[odd arch]

hm

perhaps then

[verbal summit]

If you want I'm down to grind sc sometime.

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, teh way i look at it when i throw money there way -

I have... a thousand+ hours in the game now.

Which is ridic. Insane value for moeny (esp since osmeone gifted met he game orignally).

So throwing them 15 NZD occasiuoanlyl - i dont buy every warbond with real cash, it's probably a 60/40 split, maybe a 70/30

Like the return on my dolars as investment in entertianment?

spectacular.

[odd arch]

I'll be real I automatically assume currency shops are where the leech of publishers attaches

[cobalt patrol]

Which is fair

but given this one can literally be done for free if ytou feel like it

It's pretty mild

to be clear: I don't as a whole, like microtransactions

I think it's a pretty crap system ripe for explotion overall

but on the scalke of "gacha bullshit and fomo" to "Basically invsible, not really a thing", helldivers is way at the "Not really a thing" end

[quartz cloak]

I mean, I'm willing to argue that the rate of SC gain for free is a little on the lower end for non-insane players, but it is the best they could make it, especially, mind you, for a Sony-published game at what, 20$ out the box?

[cobalt patrol]

THey have talekd a bit that something will need to change with it, evneutally, Dunno if that's publisher pressure orn ot, but thei mrpesison io've got is the change would be trying tom ake it so you're more likely to get it from high level missions etc

and that "mindlessly farm sc" isnt a thing

Compared to shit like Destiny's batlepasses where you have to buy hte pass, then you have to grind stuff in the pass, and if you dont get that done in 3 months , lol, there goes your pass.

And there's a cash shop for cosmetics ontop of that, and the currency for cash shop is ddiffernet to the currency for earning stuff for "Free" from the cash shop, and there's stuff that is cash shop exclusive for at least a couple of seasons, plus stuff rotates in and out of the shop, so you dont even have the full catalog

Or, uh, Fortnight. Which gestures

Or Warframe with "It's been 3 months! HEre's a way to skip the grind if you cough up OVER A HUNDRED USD",. just pure exploting wales and addicts tehre

[verbal summit]

My argument is I'm broke

Or I don't wanna spend money

Depends on how broke I am

[cobalt patrol]

These are also very valid arguments

to be clear, i'm not saying you should spend money

esp not on pure entertimanet

esp not in game purcheses

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> 2 more for drops

[odd arch]

something something fantasy armour plane survivorship bias

[cobalt patrol]

Pffftt

I've had some pretty gnarly deaths

On super earth

And saw aseaf trooper get his head removed. He took a long time to die, it was impressive

Shame it was Mitchel the Machine Gun Turret's fault

[odd arch]

last round on evacuate assets squids spawned underground somehow

so they'd walk under us and the mortar sentries would target them

the player that brought the mortars never stopped putting them down...

I should get michellin man armour before city fighting concludes, nearly all of my deaths are to friendly fire

the rest is leviathans

[heady halo]

need a booster that just puts a like. two or three foot block of wood under the turrets so they are less prone to headshotting someone right next to them

call it advanced managed democratic artifical intelligence firing principles or something but its just visibly a lump of wood

[cobalt patrol]

I feel this would just increase their ability to remove skulls

[barren iron]

the first thing they do is teach you to crawl when turrets are around and yet nobody seems to remember to do that

[tall stone]

Crawling kills

[barren iron]

yea

why I dont use turrets at all

[keen zinc]

and thats a massive mistake

turrets rock

[unreal merlin]

Turrets have a skill floor and it involves knowing how to place them so as to minimize or entirely negate the possibility of it shooting you in the back (or face).

The biggest trick is identifying slightly elevated positions to raise it off the same horizontal plane you're fighting on.

Or lower positions, if you're fighting on an elevated platform.

When you get a good feel for how each turret behaves (targeting priority, limitations, secondary effects) you can then play around it like using your weapons to stagger heavy devastators so the MG sentry can then gun them down. Or using the Autocannon Sentry vs squids at medium-long range because its shells stagger everything around the target.

[blissful sparrow]

the import part is offering your friends as a blood sacrifice to the turret so its thirst for helldivers is sated when you get near it

[keen zinc]

Machine Gun Sentry is a friend

[quick plinth]

something that would go hard is a bigger concussive weapon

like a turret master build, with like a support weapon concussive equivalent to a LC, AMR or HMG

[odd arch]

the arc yeeter

grenade launcher is kinda that in that the ammo you get is very generous, but you're kinda killing everything you're concussing

[quick plinth]

hm, true, those do have pretty good stun values

but what if funny big orange gun, stun fleshbeasts mid charge, BTs and Tanks (probably not but maybe FacStriders with enough sustained fire)

[stark ether]

honestly the secret strat to using turrets reliably without friendly fire is having a weapon that can kill your own turret very quickly should it start having less than democratic actions

[fringe quiver]

gdi

trying to search this thread specifically

[strange vine]

You cant only search through a thread sadly

[fringe quiver]

uuuuugh

game so buggy

why can't I turn off the weapon flashlight

oh it just breaks cause you're adsing

w/e I guess

[keen zinc]

Just remove the flashlight from the gun

[fringe quiver]

I 100% would

but the devs are dumb

and didn't allow for secondary weapon customization

also did they nerf the guard dog

because wtf it's doing so shit now

[odd arch]

you can't turn it off on sidearms?

[fringe quiver]

you can but you have to not be adsing which is w/e

if you mean weapon customization

no

cause devs be silly

[odd arch]

I don't remember when was the last time I toggled it but it should have a switch under holding R

[fringe quiver]

they like

really dropped the ball with this newest update as far as bugginess goes

but not sure I blame them because Idk how much QA testing they can do before releasing it

[fringe quiver]

yes game doesn't let you do that while adsing

[odd arch]

hm?

[fringe quiver]

you can not

[odd arch]

you switch between always on, always off and auto

[fringe quiver]

hold down the right mouse button and aim down sights with the gun and then also hold down R

it doesn't pop up the menu

you can only hold down R

now to be fair I'm not sure that's a bug just a missing qol feature for something rather small

but there's so many other bugs

like helldiver pods being weird with the terrain

and only sometimes letting you drop on certain terrain

which my guess would be something to do with how the steering is done with elevation

but it's dunb when it spawns me outside the extract point because it won't let me steer onto it, and then it'll spawn me directly on it the next time

also that doesn't include weird geometry stuff

[odd arch]

I just checked and the flashlight works normally for me

[fringe quiver]

oh so it is a bug

well

that doesn't surprise me that much

[strange vine]

why are you doing this?

like whats your goal here

you dont need to ADS to change the weapon options

[fringe quiver]

trying to turn off the flashlight but it doesn't pop up the scroll menu

[strange vine]

hold reload?

[fringe quiver]

yeah you can't ads while doing it

Alder just confirmed it's a bug

[strange vine]

you never could do that

its never been intended

[fringe quiver]

then I guess Alder has a bug cause it said it can do it

[strange vine]

because when you do that the helldiver pulls out the clip and looks at the gun

i think theres some miscommunication going on here

[fringe quiver]

[strange vine]

i really dont know why youre trying to ADS and switch weapon options at the same time

[fringe quiver]

it's just out of reflex

[strange vine]

youve never been able to do that

its one or the other

[fringe quiver]

I can't tell you where that comes from unless it's just how it's done in other fps games I haven't played for a bit

probably a weird siege reflex

side question

can multiple leviathans spawn at the same time?

[strange vine]

Absolutely

Ive seen at least 3 at once

[fringe quiver]

gotcha, I was trying to kill one

and then it ran

and then the other one blocked me

I wish they were worth destroying but like

honestly they feel largely ignorable

[strange vine]

Well theyre ignorable since theres lots of sightline blocking terrain

If we fight them on a more open world then theyre gonna be way bigger of a menace

[fringe quiver]

that would be so cool

then we could destroy them more easily

and these dumb financial buildings wouldn't get in the way

[strange vine]

Yeah leviathans are an operation modifier like gunship and shrieker patrols

[odd arch]

oh, when you said it breaks I thought you meant it forgets your setting when you ADS

[fringe quiver]

Nah that issue was fixed I think

That was real early on

Where you'd change the hold/toggle ads settings and it would either break or revert

[marble parcel]

Ive been gone since christmas, anything I should know for this update/any tips for fighting the illuminate? My only combat experience with them is from the first game but Im going to assume it wont translate well

[north fiber]

It does not. Don't got for headshots on overseers unless you have medium pen. Voteless are a constant issue so be sure you have an answer to hordes of them. Fleshmobs are just sacks of HP so expect to need high DPS or explosives (as they multihit on the different body parts) to take them out. AT weapons typically don't do well because they have the HP to just ignore them. Harvester weak points are the leg joints near the main body. Harvester and ship shields fall to enough small arms fire. If you see a Leviathan, break LoS unless you got serious AT. They are tanky motherfuckers and will take quite a while to kill.

[cobalt patrol]

They're not silly. Secondary and even possibly Support weapon Customization is being worked on, but it takes dev time (and lots of it, given every weapon has to be reworked so it's visually showing the modifications, etc).

[unreal merlin]

"okay keep all the weapons balanced, but also introduce attachment swaps that can dramatically alter the performance of each weapon"

[marble parcel]

Thanks!

[fringe quiver]

verry silly

but yeah

it does feel like sony is trying to choke them for more content

[cobalt patrol]

Thankfully I don't think they've broken anything crazy egg the system?

With the*

[cobalt patrol]

What makes you say that? This has been pretty standard level of buggy for a Arrowhead release, and it was six ish months since the last big content drop. Which came sixish months after the prior big content drop

[odd arch]

my character has great comedic timing

I was saving time on these containers with gas canisters by them by not waiting for the fire to go out before I grab the cash, just stimming through it

"Injury? AAAAH AAAAHHHHHH AAHH"

[fringe quiver]

wow were they always this bad at it?

It didn't feel like it with the previous releases but then again last big release I remember is like

the first time illuminate showed up?

[cobalt patrol]

This game is infamous for its buggyness, honestly

[fringe quiver]

like I remember release bugginess and then having bugginess with bug patrols

[cobalt patrol]

Like I love it lots, but it's super buggy. It's not helped by the fact it's running on an engine that had the studio who made it implode, too late into development to switch engines

[fringe quiver]

well I guess that's not entirely true, I remember the guard dog shooting me in the back a lot when illuminate released

[cobalt patrol]

That's not really a bug

[unreal merlin]

Working as intended

[cobalt patrol]

That's just a failing to understand your guard dog

[supple siren]

Tbf the dogs and turrets sometimes make some Swing Decisions

And illuminate tends to be 'there's some sort of enemy in most directions'

[cobalt patrol]

(it will always hover over your left shoulder and try and shoot anything around you.

Your head is unfortunately exactly in the "anything around you")

Mhmm. I just laugh when my turret frags me these days

It's usually my own dam fault, and it's funny

[supple siren]

i've been enjoying flame turret even if i do thing the MGs are maybe strictly better

[strange vine]

This is misinformation. The engine was originally developed by Fatshark for their own games, then they sold the license to Autodesk so they could fund Vermintides development. Fatshark still is working on the engine even though Autodesk stopped supporting it and Arrowhead still talks to them for help

[supple siren]

so that's why it's solid at supporting ten billion enemies

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, huh, today I learned!

Thank you for the correction

[strange vine]

Ten billion enemies each with complicated body parts that have their own health pools

[supple siren]

and goddamn physics

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah it's actually a really good engine overall

I'm surprised it doesn't break more often given everything it's doing

Like ffs, eagle 1 is actually simulated

[supple siren]

that's basically my feelings when bugs happen

'the fact that this runs even remotely like this is a gift'

[north fiber]

actually simulated and can be shot down

[cobalt patrol]

You can be ripped too shreds by being tossed in the way of her plane doing a fly by

this is insane

It's such an extra level of detail

[supple siren]

that Strafing Run into Leviathans advice was pretty solid

[strange vine]

I mean the Overship is itself an actual entity like regular enemies

It has armor values and health pools for parts

[north fiber]

they're just massive

[fringe quiver]

then why did they change it? are they stupid?

[cobalt patrol]

That surprises me way less than what could have easily been a visual effect, you know?

[fringe quiver]

guard dog feels so much weaker now and Idk what changed

[strange vine]

They never changed it

[strange vine]

Nothing changed

[cobalt patrol]

You are being weirdly aggro about this.

[fringe quiver]

guard dog used to get like 30+ kills on hordes and now it's not doing much and I'm just like "Wat happen"

[strange vine]

It still does????

[cobalt patrol]

The only thing that got changed on the guard dog recently was fixing it trying to fly into the sky forever

[strange vine]

What are you on about

[fringe quiver]

it didn't for the last mission I was in

it just kinda did like 10 and would let the others walk into me

[keen zinc]

Sometimes my dog just does nothing with enemies all over

[north fiber]

the last time the Guard Dog was actually balance changed was months before Illuminate release?

[cobalt patrol]

Which I think was mostly it trying to fly after the stingrays

[strange vine]

Likely cause its trying to shoot something else

Dog hyper focuses

[fringe quiver]

that I can see, I saw an overseer so high up it wasn't playing any sound

[keen zinc]

Trying to shoot something it can't for the duration of an entire firefight sounds like a problem

[cobalt patrol]

You can always tell it to get back in your backpack and then redploy

[strange vine]

You can always force recall it

[keen zinc]

Yes, doing the entire recall and redployment mid combat can fix it but pretending that that's good is disingenuous

Obviously the dog has some issues that could be ironed out

[strange vine]

It doesnt happen often in my experience anyway

Its good for supplemental backup but you never really should depend on it fully

[keen zinc]

It happened to me quite a lot after illuminate released

Probably something to do with their very loose association with map boundaries

[cobalt patrol]

Don't play with it enough to say, but I honestly like mechanics like this? I like some friction and things not working perfectly

[keen zinc]

I'm so glad y'all don't have these experiences or think they are good and fun but I have and I don't think they are good and I'd love if we didn't just dismiss people having problems.

[fringe quiver]

I mean I agree with their approach if the problems are unfixable

[keen zinc]

I get wanting to maintain positive vibes but it just comes off as dismissive.

[fringe quiver]

cause at that point nothing can be done shrugs

[blissful sparrow]

if the reaction to it is acting personally insulted because of a bug then i'd recommend just not talking

[fringe quiver]

basically just means I have to figure out something else or go do other missions, same deal with me not being able to do diff 10 gen defense missions solo

[keen zinc]

I don't think they're unfixable. The dog worked fine in previous update and was stellar against bots and bugs, it's just something with Illuminate

[cobalt patrol]

It just doesn't even register as a problem, though, or like a natural outcome of the ai on the gundog is probably fixed on a watcher/elevated oversee and it can't get to it

[keen zinc]

I highly suspect it having to do with the Illuminate having a tenuous relationship with collision with terrain and objects.

[strange vine]

Theres been nothing changed with the guard dog at all

Other than a bug fix for specifically reloading it

[cobalt patrol]

Problem is to meet things like Fleshmobs glitching into terrain, or reloading just flat out not working till you switch away and then back to it

[keen zinc]

The fact it locks onto a target it cannot engage and gets stuck locked onto it, is a problem that should be addressed.

[cobalt patrol]

Those are issues I really hope gets fixed

[supple siren]

Every turret in the game does that is the thing

[strange vine]

The only guard dog that got behavior changes recently-ish is the gas dog

[supple siren]

MG loves unspooling 90% of the mag into an indestructible tank corpse

[strange vine]

This is the bug id rather them focus on

Its so annoying esp on rocket defense

[keen zinc]

I think the devs can solve multiple problems

[strange vine]

Their manpower is clearly limited

[supple siren]

I don't know if the hard lock is a bug exactly though, it might just be how they function

[keen zinc]

I don't understand the sentiment of being opposed to improvements

[cobalt patrol]

Like to me part of the bit is that the Gundog & sentries are dumb as bricks

[supple siren]

the only one that has a second thought is Gas Dog

[cobalt patrol]

Because what you're claiming as an improvement is a subjective thing

[keen zinc]

Well the gundog isnt even shooting when this happens

[supple siren]

:|a

[cobalt patrol]

To me part of the gameplay is managing the fact that these things are stupid and will do stupid things.

Just like not tossing the orbital Napalm on your team is part of things

[keen zinc]

You already said you don't play with the dog much, and I do like using the dog, is my player experience not worthy of consideration?

[strange vine]

I think theres definitely something lost post-sept 17 rebalance that made a lot of things easily

[strange vine]

I play with the dog a lot and i dont disagree with penguin

Do my experiences not matter much then?

[cobalt patrol]

Or being careful with your orbital gas so it doesn't whack into a dropship in midair and whiff as a result

[keen zinc]

You said you haven't experienced the issue, but I have experienced the issue quite a few times, enough to notice it, and mention that it could likely be addressed and be an improvement.

[cobalt patrol]

You are being extremely weird aggro on this, and I'm not really interested in keeping the Convo going is this is the well you're gonna pull from

[keen zinc]

I'm not being aggro, I simply have a position of having had an experience that I think shouldn't be dismissed.

[cobalt patrol]

Arguing against you is not dismissing you.

It's just disagreement

[strange vine]

I said it doesnt happen often, and it happens infrequent enough and can be played around easily enough that i dont think its a major issue at all

[keen zinc]

That's fine? I never said it should take precedence over any other issue, only that it is an issue I would like to see addressesd.

[strange vine]

And yeah, im not dismissing it, im disagreeing that its that big a problem

[keen zinc]

I never said it was a big problem, just that it is a problem.

And you were arguing against that, which is dismissive.

Denying my experience.

[strange vine]

Okay whatever

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, I'm out

[strange vine]

Ill bow out cause i dont want to get bogged down in this

[keen zinc]

Thank you.

[strange vine]

Dont thank me

Anyway, i do hope we get some more stuff next week

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, that. I'm out because you're being a giant goose about this Anko, and I can't see a way to keep the discussion going without it escalating.

[keen zinc]

No need to insult me over it.

[strange vine]

The new stuff is def fun but i feel itd be a big stretch spreading it out over what 3 weeks?

We all said we'll drop it

So stop

[cobalt patrol]

I was really hoping for more units this week past

[strange vine]

Please

[cobalt patrol]

I'd like some extra heavy units at the very least, so it's not just Harvies

[fringe quiver]

did they never headshot for you?

[keen zinc]

Getting headshot by the dog is fun and good.

[strange vine]

They do yes

[fringe quiver]

yeah that's what I was confused about

[cobalt patrol]

I get murked by my Gundog or turret all the time

[fringe quiver]

last couple of missions they did it once but then the other times they were just being weird I felt

[strange vine]

Im fairly certain its because they aim center mass but theyre hovering above you

[rare nymph]

A monkey's paw curls, we get more Leviathans spawning at once

[strange vine]

So the trajectory intersects the head

[fringe quiver]

is that it? weird

[strange vine]

I just want some more HD1 style enemies

[fringe quiver]

but that does make sense given the weird collisions I've been seeing

[cobalt patrol]

Leviathans feel more like hazards than units, currently

[keen zinc]

More superheavies would be nice.

[fringe quiver]

cause then that would mean the guard dog is targeting below the chest and hitting the chest now due to the map

[fringe quiver]

yeah I was kinda surprised

they don't feel like the uhh

what are the big at-at walker things?

[strange vine]

The leviathans are an operation modifier, like gunship patrols and shrieker patrols

[cobalt patrol]

If their ai was different so they're more directly engaging rather than meandering around, they'd feel different

But mostly they just add some bullet hell elements

[rare nymph]

I feed my gundog a special blend of Super WD40 and antifreeze, and thus it loves me enough not to shoot me in the back of the head

[keen zinc]

Factory striders

And yeah the Illuminate lack a proper Super Heavy like the Factory Strider

[strange vine]

Illuminate need their illusionists and council members back

[cobalt patrol]

I really hope they change factory Striders feet to be tougher

[keen zinc]

Warlocks

[cobalt patrol]

Makes them too easy to one shot

[keen zinc]

Yeah that feels unintended

Being able to one shot with a foot shot

The foot should be one of the most sturdy things on something that size, almost entirely solid metal because of the weight and force it bears

[strange vine]

They made dropships and bulk fabricators tougher, so hopefully

[keen zinc]

I haven't plated HD2 in a few days just because I am tired of fighting Illuminate

Fought on super earth for a day but I kinda reached my limit of Overseer Exposure

I want this plot chain to be over soon so we can get back to a three way war with good reason to hop between any of the fronts without feeling like you're letting super earth down

I saw someone suggesting having different orders for different theaters to encourage people playing on each front

[strange vine]

dont be afraid to do an operation or 2 on another front to keep it fresh

thats what i do

[keen zinc]

I don't really like playing with randos, and groups rallied here tend to only be doing MOs

[strange vine]

sucks, my groups tends to be open to whatever

[fringe quiver]

I might go back to doing other fronts for SC and medals

cause

OOF

does super earth feel like I'm getting punished for playing on it

but tbf that might just be because there's no real weapon variety for fighting them

like I'd like to be able to kill all enemies with one loadout and solo diff 10 missions but

[keen zinc]

I have had fun fighting the Illuminate but I do get a little burnt out of "rush the X" gameplay that Illuminate kinda push me into

[fringe quiver]

best I can do is missing like 1-2 parts

where like both bugs and automatons I can choose a couple of different loadouts that just work

[keen zinc]

Constantly just chugging stims and rushing at warp ships and then running to the next group of warp ships

[fringe quiver]

but tbf that's just me including the harvester

[cobalt patrol]

I find autocannon with a good bullet hose, RR with the same, or mg with something like the eruptor are all good one stop shops for squids

[fringe quiver]

for solo?

cause RR has such a long reload that I've not found it worth it if you're not killing leviathans

[tall stone]

I've been running Tenderizer + Wasp for my Squid needs.

[unreal merlin]

Wasp already performed well vs overseers, now the addition of fleshmobs is good too as it kills them in 4 rockets (or 3 + some shots from primary/secondary gun)

[odd arch]

I'm enjoying full choke spray & pray

shooting that specific guy over there with the full load of birdshot may not be very effective but it's insulting

[fringe quiver]

I think if I ignore harvesters I can go kinda w/e

[odd arch]

harvesters are pretty easy to ignore tbh

[fringe quiver]

well

harvesters and leviathans

[odd arch]

harvesters just kinda never hit anything with their lazor

and they rarely go for the arc attack

they mostly stand there, menacingly

[ionic holly]

Ah kindred spirit

[stone bridge]

You say that until they do hit you and you're dead very very quickly

[fringe quiver]

it's ok

I'm already getting blown up by the civilians anyways

[stone bridge]

?

[odd arch]

I genuinely don't think I've ever died to a harvester

[versed hamlet]

yeah I quit helldivers entirely because I got tired of fighting the illuminate the first time and the constant frustrstion with those who were competing with the major order
now I just. don't care and am enjoying bugs regardless of what people say

[dry canopy]

oh you too?

[odd arch]

my only perceived threats on the squid front are flesh mobs and leviathans sometimes randomly just sniping me in the face

oh and also myself

[dry canopy]

spray&pray is remarkably good vs illuminate.

[fringe quiver]

they keep killing me

seaf troops less so

[versed hamlet]

I think the laser beam has jumpscared me a few times but then I learned how it moves and don't die to it anymore

[odd arch]

flesh mobs are less deadly on their own and more make me kill myself when I don't realize I cancelled the weapon swap and shoot them with a point blank grenade

[dry canopy]

bit under half a mag per overseer, one mag~ for fleshmob, it's got eight of them and you don't have to do anything but aim for center mass.

[odd arch]

really it's uncanny how chill fighting this faction is

I long for my bot front

[stone bridge]

Reverb what exactly are you talking about

[fringe quiver]

it's chill but I don't like dealing with their shields

[fringe quiver]

they walk infront of me or block me so the illuminate hordes can kill me or the leviathan or overseers shoot me

[stone bridge]

Never been a problem for me

[versed hamlet]

yeah, they have no units with consistent teeth
stingrays rarely spawn on super earth from my experience

the enemy diversity is also non existant even compared to launch factions imo

[odd arch]

I'm pretty sure we failed the rocket evac mission because a stingray randomly strafed it

because not a single enemy made it past the gates

so I have a grudge

[versed hamlet]

they can teleport behind it sometimes

[fringe quiver]

actually Alder have you been able to solo the gen missions?

[versed hamlet]

also harvestor ai sometimes breaks and walks behind the gens but I don't think they can damage through walls so they kinda do nothing

[fringe quiver]

Idk how to solo it

[odd arch]

gen?

I haven't done any squid solo yet, I just returned to the game

[fringe quiver]

ah

I run solo

cause randoms uhh

too many of them are unreliable

which is like

one thing

[versed hamlet]

I've been able to luck a few solo squid gen missions

[fringe quiver]

but half of them that are unreliable are also just too txoic

like Idc if you run across half the map and die just don't get salty I'm respawning you next to me and you die on the way back over there

[versed hamlet]

I'd suggest

1. not playing ops with that mission type
2. switching to higher difficulties, in my experience they're less toxic and less liable to tk, and on squids that will have significantly less impact on the mission difficulty than you'd expect

[odd arch]

you can trivialize squids if you have any source of gas

now that the flesh mobs are running in circles there's nothing that can put pressure on you

[stone bridge]

What difficulty do you play on?

[odd arch]

7-10, group dependent

[stone bridge]

I see

[odd arch]

I have an odd feeling that every NPC got less accurate at some point

my guard dog isn't the surgical head removal machine it was when I last played, there's the aforementioned harvesters

sentries seem to miss more often? and overseers spray and pray with their staff

[stone bridge]

Nothing changed, tbh

[odd arch]

the guard dog could be down to faction targetting differences

vs. bots it very consistently wiped entire camps of all the small guys before they could react

[keen zinc]

i think the illuminate just has a lot of "clipping into buildings/terrain" tendencies that cause the dog to just go braindead during firefights

[fringe quiver]

if I'm solo I'll randomly play on something

with randoms I usually stick to 10

outside of illuminate cause haven't felt fully ready yet

even though now I'd prob try it with specific loadouts

[versed hamlet]

I'd suggest trying 10 with illuminate yeah
they uh. don't really have much scaling ime

[odd arch]

they're also pretty loadout agnostic

[versed hamlet]

you fight all the threats you'll ever face at around difficulty 4/5

ehhhh I had a really bad time fighting them the first time I played until I switched up my gear

[odd arch]

fair

it's more that they don't have a specific requirement

you don't need the best horde clear and one AT option per squad will suffice, or can be entirely left at home if you just hit the bricks away from harvesters

and overseers die to enough fire from anything

[versed hamlet]

yeah, and the AT doesn't even have to be full AT

[odd arch]

I loathed the bug front when it was a conga line of chargers so your success depended on your charger kills per minute capacity

but here nothing really asks you to focus on it

and it doesn't feel right either

[versed hamlet]

honestly I just kited the chargers and biles if more showed up than I had thermite to deal with
still kinda do lmao

[odd arch]

I don't remember when it was but there was a time when charger spawns were obnoxious

they annoyed me so much that I stopped kiting them because I wanted them dead now

doing objectives with 5 chargers in tow left a mark on my psyche

[versed hamlet]

fair

was it before or after stim booster?

[odd arch]

hm

around that time but can't recall now

amusingly bile titan clown cars never annoyed me like that because it's impossible not to feel cool taking down a titan

but chargers?

you're not the boss, dude, fuck off

just some common ass enemy giving me a headache

the nerve

[versed hamlet]

I guess I've always considered them to be tanks

just less dangerous ones

I'm not sure whether I'd rate them below or above a harvester in terms of "elite-ness" 🤔

[odd arch]

I'd rate them a bit above because they do do their job by gluing themselves to you

I'm... not entirely sure what do harvesters do

[versed hamlet]

zap, shoot very dangerous laser beams but with a lot of tell and not-so-fast retargeting

[odd arch]

sure I focus them down but that's more because I'm conditioned to hit the big enemy

not because I'm afraid it'll do... something... if I don't

[versed hamlet]

they can obliterate you if you're not paying attention
there's just not too much to distract you in the rest of the enemy cast imo

and even then you'll probably be distracted in a way that makes you run away from the harvesters before they do anything

... 🤔 the bile slowdown effect would probably help lethalize them in that regard, that'd be an interesting direction to take the faction

both holding a player in place so they can't dodge the beam as easily, and making them less able to outrun the harvesters

[odd arch]

I'd like an effect that an ally can clear by thwacking you

because yeah a slowdown would make a lot of sense but the more incentives to stick together the better

[versed hamlet]

🤔 maybe if you could also stim it away so the reward for sticking together is less stim usage (because I foresee a lot of flaming by players who run off and demand that someone follows them to thwack them)

could be pretty interesting and it'd let it be fairly applyable, ie like a pool of sludge around warp ships or something

[tall stone]

Oh, I can address why Doggo feels different into Illuminate vs. Bots. Voteless are a bit tougher than Troopers.

It takes a few more shots to take them down.

[cobalt patrol]

Voteless are surprisingly tanky for chaff. I can't remember off have but it's near 200 HP

The good news is they burn real for and heads get popped really well

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, can confirm this. D10 is a quiet little paradise overall.

Not perfect, but I'm general folks read chat, listen, don't get mad, and laugh when things get wrong

Also you get adorable comedy where like a lvl 30 joins and all the level 150s are like we will get this baby all the samples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhFWCcnGj6Y

[versed hamlet]

I've seen a bunch of level 5-20's somehow

[odd arch]

when I got the game I speedran difficulty as soon as I could so could've been me

[supple siren]

TRAITOR DETECTED

[idle hollow]

we lost remembrance and admin centre 02

i get the feeling this was joey's intent

and we'll probably lose york and mercy and win the battle in prosperity just for maximum cinematic-ness

[marble parcel]

where are these from?

[versed hamlet]

this I think?
https://helldiverscompanion.com/#news

here's what it looks like in game

[unreal merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/950399917304729651/1375642239434489987/v24044gl0000d0n19dfog65s3r1eki5g.mp4?ex=68326e2c&is=68311cac&hm=285fbb1b8979970efdc90c290c819b4938072b551251f734434ef59c781c5a08&

[strange vine]

https://youtu.be/BhFWCcnGj6Y

[winter shuttle]

Already lost 2 citys ?! how ?

[tall stone]

Well, it's been 5 days and we were split between 4.

[north fiber]

split focus yeah

[tall stone]

It's the galactic war in minature. 😛

[winter shuttle]

but admin center 2 just became a open ground

sure rememberance was holding but

[wind arrow]

How's on sea?

[keen zinc]

The Chinese playerbase won't let On Sea fall no way

[wind arrow]

Hence me asking lmao

I can't believe AH chose the perfect location to be memed by Chinese playerbase

Like, Shanghai fortress is bad but not world-wide-known levels of bad

And the bf4 memes are also very localized to Chinese speaking players

[winter shuttle]

its close to 50%

[north fiber]

it was doing the best but bleeding away but now the entire playbase fell on it and it's going to recover

[agile fable]

death arrives on swift wings. Lets see if liberty's faster.

[ionic holly]

Jesus christ, equality is already back up to 69%

[cobalt patrol]

ON THE SEA,ALL ARE EQUAL

Which is why the squids are loosing, because we're just as good as them on the sea.

nod nod

[winter shuttle]

*i wish rememberance got that support XD

but alas

[oblique hazel]

buenos aires was doomed from the start, its a canon event

[ionic holly]

Should be noted, even with the focused offensive
sea is still going up

[ionic holly]

and thats everything i wanted for the spray and pray

[cobalt patrol]

Rock Fell, everyone ded.

[ionic holly]

Now to keep using my breaker or switch and level something else...

I kinda really wanna try out the knight

Nah, this aint gonna work
just spews its ammo too fast

[cobalt patrol]

Rember you can alter f ire modes

i sometiems set the Lib Carbine to b urst

since it's a lot more controllable as a result

[steady flame]

The Knight does shockingly well in single-fire.

[ionic holly]

Shrug, prob just a difference in taste

[steady flame]

I also get what you mean though.

[cobalt patrol]

Taste is always important with weapons

[steady flame]

Thing is a nightmare without attachments in full auto.

[cobalt patrol]

See me signing the praises of the Purifer, while others here are like but I have a scorcher!

[steady flame]

And also people enjoying AC against Squids now because of Fleshmobs but I just can't vibe it.

Though, I have had a thought: I do wish we could equip an extended magazine to the Constitution, even if it's just 10 rounds.

But then, 20rnd magazine..

[odd arch]

let me bubba the constitution

[steady flame]

No, no, please no. Just magazine.

[stark ether]

Backpack belt fed constitution you say

[steady flame]

Okay, what I was actually thinking of is called the Grabenmagazin.

[blissful sparrow]

5 constitutions i can switch between instead of reloading

[steady flame]

"Graben" in German is.. A ditch, a trench.

[ionic holly]

Nah see i 100% side with you on the purifier love

Also, defender was surprisingly nice to use, suppose basic pans out

[odd arch]

give it an internal drum mag fed with strips

or some other super california compliant nonsense

the gun is mostly for laughs anyways

[steady flame]

I was.. Being serious but okay.. .-.

[odd arch]

oh, I get that

but it's everyone's government issued birthday gun so there's no way no one's done crazy things to it

[steady flame]

Also you might actually want a rotary magazine for that. It's slightly different, and can be clip-fed.

[odd arch]

hey actually

it is everyone's birthday gun

where are my armed citizens

everyone wants the right to bear arms until aliens invade! smh

let's be real the way the invasion is presented in-game, an average crowd of citizens would plow through the map one fusilade at a time

[tight zephyr]

They should give the Constitution the box magazine off of the Krag-Jørgensen rifle.

[ionic holly]

i have learned something fascinating and kinda funny about my tastes in helldivers

i like my rifles in burst, my shotguns in full auto or pump, pistols in semi, and smgs in full or burst

[steady flame]

Respectable!

[oblique lotus]

the johnson rifle did this

[odd arch]

iirc that was a rotary mag as Josie mentioned

[spare verge]

I suspect, given that it's super earth and they're not all dressed identically like the class A citizens, that they're super citizens or otherwise high enough class that getting drafted is for other people

and that everyone that can shoot straight has already been drafted into SEAF

the doylist answer is probably performance and/or balance, yeah

[cobalt patrol]

I will say I think AC really needs peak physique to shine, and having the faster reloads ship upgrade also helps.

And you gotta be comfortable with rapidly switching between flak & AT modes to really maximize it

[cobalt patrol]

Remember to have them tied to little ropes so you can just drop them without loosing them!

[graceful bluff]

Hit em with the

[grave sail]

what's that from?

[graceful bluff]

fate redline, specifically the innocent angel nobunaga

Fate can have some peak designs when they want to, shame about the rest

[unreal merlin]

playing with a friend who loves being a nuclear suicide bomber

[idle hollow]

we're around 25% fleet strength

not much longer

we got this

[strange vine]

I feel like we're gonna get a tuesday patch twist...

I could be wrong

[north fiber]

We're on track for the MO as well

which should do a massive hit

[cobalt patrol]

Pls more units for squiddies

[keen zinc]

China will not falter

[strange vine]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/helldivers.330841/post-111987410

[keen zinc]

man people are obsessed with fighting over the same 35 square meters of land rather than moving on to different objectives

[keen zinc]

ngl i love the One True Flag

waving it around is fun

[keen zinc]

being a standard bearer is fun

especially when you die and someone else, a random, just runs up and picks up the flag

<@&1206091872716595200> who up divin they hells

[terse shoal]

i'm open

[terse shoal]

wanna vc?

[keen zinc]

Yea gimme a sec I dranking a coffee milkshake and it's giving me Intestinal Distress

[terse shoal]

oh damn i got you

[cobalt patrol]

Thanks for sharing this, it's a good read

[keen zinc]

fonally

perfection

[stark ether]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1kux0mi/choice/mu4yuus/

"art by me with AI assistance"

[cobalt patrol]

So fuck them then. Fucking ai

[stone bridge]

Yeah toss that out please

[winter shuttle]

: D united under a common goal

[shut bane]

I want to like the riot shield in this front I think it would feel so much better it it had a slam that could throw enemies away In a small area

[keen zinc]

I wish melee attacks knocked Voteless away

Bugs seem to recoil more from being smacked than Voteless do

[cobalt patrol]

Things I have killed a leviathan with:

Orbital gattling
Eagle Strafe
WALKING BARRAGE

[keen zinc]

Now that's the spice

I wonder if a 120 would do

They're pretty quick to call down

[stone bridge]

This was made with AI, could you delete this please?

[keen zinc]

They may be asleep

[stone bridge]

Okay, went ahead and did that for them

[keen zinc]

Now for the long grind to getting the 10x scope for the deadeye

[odd arch]

I read this in HECU grunt voice

[cobalt patrol]

Maybe? I dunno what properties the projecitle has, but i think it;'s AP5 which is whati t needs to be

[oblique hazel]

the explosion is AP5, but the projectile itself is AP7

so it should be more than enough

[cobalt patrol]

Ye, that'd do it!

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone up for some diving?

[sage plume]

soon ish but id be down

[keen zinc]

fonally

reasons to go elsewhere

[odd arch]

LET'S GOOO

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> democracy needs moms soldiers

[tall stone]

HELL YES, BOTS BOTS BOTS BOTS BOTS

[keen zinc]

wait we can have multiple major orders

[tall stone]

YES

[tight zephyr]

Consider the following: A reskin of the mega city maps for Cyberstan.

[fringe quiver]

I'd be down, I'd want them to fix points of interest before that tho

[hexed steeple]

what's broken about them

[odd arch]

the diamonds staying up forever if there's no currencies to pick up annoys me to no end

[fringe quiver]

they don't go down no matter what I do

like maybe 1% of them do

[odd arch]

the first one of our squad goes to the POI, finds nothing, leaves
then the remaining 3 go check it out assuming it's unlooted and waste time searching in turn

[fringe quiver]

I also just want more crashed pods

cause those at least have a shining beacon that goes away

[odd arch]

what's the demographics of super earth like

I'm aware it's the "every totalitarian cliche at once" aesthetic but they have single use sex permits and nods to overpopulation while burning through citizens at a frightening rate

[blissful sparrow]

plot twist: the C01 form is just a checkbox

"Are you a robot ☑️ "

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/zacharie-off-off-game-miau-money-gif-12322482544016545134

[odd arch]

bot front reintroduced
my friends list lights up with "playing helldivers 2 with 3 other people"

[tall stone]

Botsbotsbotsbots

[keen zinc]

bots are so much more fun

[unreal merlin]

Surely the wonder weapon will deal an immediate killing blow to our enemies and definitely not get swatted out of the sky a second time.

[tall stone]

The fleet is a lot smaller this time.

[odd arch]

...does the superflag redirect arcs?

I watched a flag wielder walk in front of an arc teammate and repeatedly survive being shot

[hexed steeple]

were they wearing the armor

[odd arch]

good question

the arc armour doesn't really stand out

[marble parcel]

What have you guys found to be the best way to deal with the illuminate dropship outposts? Ive just resorted to shooting with primary and chucking a grenade inside but Ive also seen the eruptor used too

[hexed steeple]

eruptor can take the place of a grenade in this two step punch yea

[odd idol]

i think thermite clears them pretty good from any angle

[hexed steeple]

i run gas so generally i'll use a gas strike to crack whichever ship is the most out of the way, use my stalwart to pop shield and then eruptor others

if i got a lot of dudes on my heels i'll use a strafing run to pop shield while i get into position with the eruptor

[supple siren]

Eruptor is such a damn workhorse into Illuminate

Can't believe it can take down Striders

[unreal merlin]

My personal favorite is Eagle Strafe -> Crossbow the door. A direct hit Orbital Gas works. Orbital Precision works fine with near-misses, as does Eagle 500kg.

[dry canopy]

you can thermite illuminate ships now!

one thermite on a shielded ship will get it, which is pretty nice.

[marble parcel]

Damn thats pretty good

Gas nades are very good against the voteless and the big guys though

[idle hollow]

huh

cool

[split parcel]

just got the viper commando armor, running around with an entrenchment tool on super helldive is a blast

i'm boxing these bots

[cobalt patrol]

...pfffft

I love that that's what you're using it for

[oblique hazel]

just wait until you get some of the secondary melee weapons in the other warbonds

I am super earth's greatest voteless fencer

Reggie would be proud of my diver

[unreal merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HjMC3JqJg8

Fun fact, melee weapons only have light penetration but have a special property that makes them ignore armor.

[split parcel]

the second that hatchet comes up in the superstore its over

100% liberation

[trim breach]

My body is a machine

That turns cluster bombs into THESE PEOPLE DEPEND ON YOU FOR THEIR SAFETY

[fringe quiver]

I just killed a leviathan with a walking barrage

[keen zinc]

redditors incredibly angry about people not wanting to run squid missions nonstop for a week

"bot/bug divers are traitors!!!" brother i bought a game with three factions i will fight who i want

[oblique hazel]

We even have a bot order rn, what are they on about lol

[unreal merlin]

they're too simple-minded and don't understand if everyone pivots to speed-crush the bot MO all the bot fighters will promptly pivot back to fighting squids, so contributing to the bot front is actually how we get more real progress back onto super earth

[keen zinc]

yesssss it is the squid divers faults!

[dry canopy]

I think the concern is that the squid MO will fail, more than that super earth itself will fall.

[unreal merlin]

okay maybe we could stand to have a bit of a surge back to super earth for the next 8.5 hours

just a bit

[fringe quiver]

skill issue

they're too worried about not extracting

but yeah I don't think it's ognna happen

[cobalt patrol]

The lockstep emote and the emergent comedy form it is very good

Li ke a bunch of us walking in cricles waitnig for extract

and then all going onto the extract in the emote

[keen zinc]

i wish it was like the tf2 conga

where anyone could join if someone starts it

[winter shuttle]

sigh it does feel helldivers 2 keeps putting a hand on the balace to weight things down

wich makes me question, is it bether to have a simple system like the first game, or a dm that keeps things on rails

[north fiber]

tbc, they are prepped for both outcomes with Super Earth

like, explicitly they are ready for us to succeed and fail

[winter shuttle]

and yet giving a super order for bots feels the same time weighing things down

specific becuse we had

A) a order that was preatty much useless to hold 4 planets that were destined to fail
B) the community has been fighting nothing but squids for 3 major orders now

[keen zinc]

yeah i am feeling squid fatigue

[winter shuttle]

and i like i cant blame the community, i been playing nothing but super earth for close to two weeks now

but at the same time it feels like the gm is going "nu uh, you see !"

wich i think its my major complain about helldivers, its GM follow the old rulebook of US vs Them

[dry canopy]

I mean, would it have been better for those planets to instantly fall?

the endless calimari buffet is a bit excessive tbh but that's like. I don't know how they could have possibly done that differently. the squids Are attacking super earth.

[winter shuttle]

yes, but it honestly should have not been a major order

super earth ? yes

but those planets should have been stated "hey this wont be made a MO but if you wana see what we are cooking check them out"

[oblique hazel]

It would be basically impossible to justify that from a narrative perspective though

"the illuminate super fleet popped out of the meridian singularity gunning for super earth but don't worry its no big deal, go fight some bugs or something"

and even if they did that, people would have been fighting the squids anyways because they had new units

so it would accomplish literally nothing other than making the narrative worse and probably making us all 50 medals poorer

[dry canopy]

also, mechanically, the bot order comes at a time where super earth is at least stable defensively

in addition to being fairly short.

[unreal merlin]

there's 6.5 hrs to get another 1.4 million extractions, best of luck to the divers

[oblique hazel]

5 hours

its a projected 6.5hr until we would get there if it didn't expire

[winter shuttle]

but also the M.O is super earth feels....scummy

[oblique hazel]

I can see an argument for poorly designed maybe, but "scummy" feels like a major stretch

[winter shuttle]

becuse the "bether" and most.... i wana say "efficient" way to do that order was just to do a bunch of trivial missions and that was that

[oblique hazel]

this is a major narrative moment, it makes sense that it would be difficult

[winter shuttle]

see cheese i whould agree if this was the first time this happen, helldivers 2 has been out for a year already, a year of MO's and such

[oblique hazel]

its not like they made it egrigiously impossible, we're only about an hour behind time to clear it

[winter shuttle]

so i do think the M.O was badly designed on purpose

[oblique hazel]

why would they be badly designed on purpose

how does arrowhead benefit from that

how does anyone benefit from that

[dry canopy]

...is it 'badly designed' to make a MO that explicitly benefits from high raw player count so that people who aren't diving it don't actually harm it

like I haven't been playing helldivers for all that long relatively but the liberation rate thing has been a common complaint

[oblique hazel]

there are just like, only so many objectives they can give a major order

[winter shuttle]

benefits arrowhead wanting the battle lasting longer, the complain is not the new enemies, or the new biome, those are great

the complain comes with us already close to winning the major order, only for AH to give another major order at the same time, A FIRST on the game history

[winter shuttle]

Keep control of X,Y mega citys, for major order duration whould have been a bether major order and bether designed

more so then "extract 20.000.000 times"

[oblique hazel]

they're probably saving that for a hold prosperity city MO if it gets to that point

[dry canopy]

to be frank, I don't think it's that serious. the benefit to succeeding at the squid order is 'it hits their fleet strength'. the bot order is also basically the same thing, and, more importantly,

the bot order already looks like this.

[oblique hazel]

and thats with only like 10% of the playerbase too

[winter shuttle]

the bot order is admitly more easy to do and way bether becuse you canplay it naturaly

you can go to any dificulty and feel the following

Major order progress = Dificulty (more bots to kill) = liberation progress

meanwhile the major order on earth does the oposite

[dry canopy]

I don't put a lot of stock in 'you have to play a certain way to maximally benefit the MO' either, really.

[winter shuttle]

becuse you want to extract quickly

[oblique hazel]

I gotta be honest it kinda feels like you're just looking to be upset at this point, so I'm gonna head out

[winter shuttle]

i also don't, i'm running things over a purely "whats the most efficiant way to do this"

[cobalt patrol]

Take a breather dude. We get you're not happy with it, but at this point you're coming across as tilting at a windmill

Best thing to do is wait till Arrowhead opens up feedback again, they do it weekly, and submit it there

[winter shuttle]

i'm not mad

hel li'm happy with the update just the MO feels cheap

[trim breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/942379275984732193/1376662429802565755/sample_run.mp4?ex=6836244c&is=6834d2cc&hm=4a01bdcf9396ebdef6ef6dfeb028efa49c53e79bf0b96723a527f2de205b61f6&

[odd arch]

reverse the video and caption it "when I call out a 2 player bunker"

[fringe quiver]

I kinda sus'd the current MO wouldn't really be done easily

[dry canopy]

yeah!

[cobalt patrol]

Some kinda patch out for HD2

no notes yet

so bunch of fixes, nice buff to Masters of Ceremony

[oblique hazel]

ooo that is a nice buff

[hearty pier]

Reload speed and melee damage is a nice combo for fighting illuminate

[oblique hazel]

thats a very nice middle ground between servo assisted, siege ready, and peak physique

I like it

[odd arch]

does democracy protects let you survive backpack hellbomb btw

I'm curious how many individual ticks of impact damage tend to result from being thrown by it

because if it's just one, your chances of rolling life twice aren't bad

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, apparently

[odd arch]

anime shit

[cobalt patrol]

I havent tested it myself, but ihave heard it does

which would make sense

[oblique hazel]

you do probably have to get a little lucky with how it throws you too

[odd arch]

surviving the explosion makes sense but I'd be worried that getting squashed into the ground by it would cause 999 individual instances of impact damage

[cobalt patrol]

Sounds like you're volunteering to do SCIENCE citizen

[oblique hazel]

if you get launched into a corner suddenly you're probably taking 3 instances of impact damage at minimum

[idle hollow]

Went from worst armour in the game to one of the better ones

Limb damage immunity dipped in Mama Liz’s peak physique and siege ready oil

[blissful sparrow]

Holy shit, thats like

The Armor

for my explosive Crossbow + Melee weapon loadout

[cobalt patrol]

So far i have failed to survive the explosion twice

four times without the coinflip coming up yes XD

i just get vaporized every time

[odd arch]

[ionic holly]

Oh right, i tried the hover pack finally yesterday and it was

surprisingly fun

[civic apex]

,.....

Survive

[stone bridge]

This slaps, the Masters of Ceremony armour is a great flex pick now

[civic apex]

https://youtu.be/6DHY5TDhaBs

[cobalt patrol]

I'm still a bit ???? At it shipping like it did, but it's much much better now

And I've been gaining a better appreciation for the MoC grenades

[ionic holly]

I loved the grenades since i got em, they're the exact kind of area denial i wanted

Gonna be a few hours before i can get back in sadly, what armour is up on the the rotation slot in the super store?
kinda hoping it's MOC again so i can complete the heavy armour

[tight zephyr]

I have to admit that while they’re not perfect, Arrowhead does at least seem to be more than willing to roll with the punches when it comes to game balance at least.

[cobalt patrol]

For sure. I'm absolutely willing to give them time to cook, I'm just as a semi professional game designer always a bit frustrated when something comes out and it's like "what's the niche, what's the use case?"

Because previously MoC armor was uh, drip and that was it

[ionic holly]

I'd sooner a dev team that's willing to pivot in response (atleast good response) than one that's stubbornly drops something and leaves it behind

[cobalt patrol]

The passive was worse than the servo assisted, and more limited, it was just confusing what purpose it was serving

But now it's actually got a role, and the reduced breakage combos well with heavier versions & the melee damage boost (where you're more likely to break limbs anyway)

[ionic holly]

's why i'm really hoping this coincided with a rerun of the heavy armour since i couldn't afford both it and the helmet last time

[tight zephyr]

Peak Physique has always been my bread and butter, but that reload time buff sounds really nice.

[cobalt patrol]

I discovered to my amusement I hate using the Deadeye with peak physique

The extra ergo makes it sway way more

[ionic holly]

I admittedly want the armour also cause it just kinda feels
perfect? for my playstyle

i play a very close quarters heavy armour approach

[tight zephyr]

I use the Twigsnapper set because I have a very similar style.

[ionic holly]

My man
i would but i don't like exposed limbs

It's why i tended to prefer the lawmaker for as long as i did

[tight zephyr]

I didn’t at first, but the look kind of grew on me.

[ionic holly]

good for close quarters with a bushwhacker

[tight zephyr]

I’ve been leveling the carbine and Punisher. I want that damn compensator and full choke.

[ionic holly]

I finished leveling my spray and pray, choke makes that thing into just such a fun gun

working on my tenderizer now

[tight zephyr]

The Punisher with full choke is going to be the Second Coming of the Halo: Combat Evolved shotgun.

[cobalt patrol]

I've been really enjoying my fully leveled lib Carbine. Very handsome little bullet hose buddy

[tight zephyr]

Simple point-and-click interface.

[ionic holly]

Question for anyone who is on, whats in the current rotation slot for the superstore?

[tight zephyr]

I can check.

Okay, I can check once it's done patching.

[ionic holly]

Rip

i've got like 7 gigs to go so probably 4~ hours or so

I'm very interested in the MOC heavy armour just cause it might be perfect for me in particular due to its hybrid gun/melee approach that feels a wee bit more impactful for me than just better ergo

[quartz cloak]

Wait I thought we didn't have rotations anymore

[tiny flume]

I dunno I just got back into the game

[unreal merlin]

The first page rotates. The other pages are fixed and associated with warbonds

[ionic holly]

Ah damnit, one more day before the next roto

Was there any warbonds between chemical agents and freedom's flame? i forget

[odd arch]

yeah the uhhh

oh no nvm

[ionic holly]

So it should loop back around to MOC tomorrow, assuming thats how the roto will work

[glad marsh]

We've seen video proof of this being a thing so.. yes?

[split parcel]

I just want the hatchet to be in the superstore

[fringe quiver]

Use case?
Sometimes it's just about the drip

If they made cardboard box armor that has 0 buffs so many people would use it

[split parcel]

I'd totally go for a shirtless ultra buff he-man armor set

Fighting bugs lookin like Frank Frazetta Conan

[blissful sparrow]

Buzz Lightyear armor

[ionic holly]

Sadly i think you missed it for a bit, assuming these rotations are gonna work a cycle like before still you'll have... 2? yeah 2 rotations before its back starting tomorrow (MOC and Borderline justice)

[unreal merlin]

There are 6 rotating catalogs. The AF-52 Lockdown (the chemical stuff that's currently up) is Rotation 6. The CQC-5 Combat Hatchet is on Rotation 3, so you've got about 5 days before it comes around again.

[ionic holly]

In truth i wish it was tomorrow already so i could get the heavy MOC stuff

[odd arch]

aough

love when an ally supports me by chucking a gattling sentry to cover my back

[split parcel]

How many super credits should I expect that to cost?

[rare nymph]

200, iirc

[wind arrow]

TIL there's now a pact bewteen chinese and US helldiver players to defend each others' city during the relevant time zone

[ionic holly]

thats rad

[winter shuttle]

Peace in our time

trully we must remake super earth irl ! it is the only way /S

[marble talon]

Aw hell nah, now the Covenant are invading Super Earth

[tall stone]

https://tenor.com/view/red-team-halo-halo-wars-gif-22616025

[wintry moat]

Here's where we show those split-chin, squid-head, sons of bitches that they could not have picked a worse enemy than the human race. We are going to blow the hell out of those dumb bugs until we don't have anything left to shoot 'em with! And then, we are going to strangle them with their own living guts! Am I right, Marines?

[strange vine]

https://bsky.app/profile/haonfest.bsky.social/post/3lq6orcvyak2q

Haon (@haonfest.bsky.social)

daily mech 4, it ended up as a #Helldivers2 fan concept

Bluesky · May 27, 2025, 9:59 PM

[kind cloud]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/PMPbLhuUEt

[cobalt patrol]

That;s defitnely an itneresting idea. Feels like it needs some more iteration, (I'd kinda wonder about pulling off a 6 leg design?) but it's interesting

Also feedback form is up

[lethal delta]

It's full already

Sad

[civic apex]

IT COMES

[hexed steeple]

are we winning divers

[agile fable]

no

super earth is falling. fast.

[hexed steeple]

badass

[agile fable]

if we dont improve our defenses, super earth will fall in less than a day

[hexed steeple]

<@&1206091872716595200> it's divin time

[idle hollow]

4.8

woof

[odd idol]

hello commander falke

[idle hollow]

guess im staying on vog-sojoth

[stone bridge]

nah you gotta get here

[idle hollow]

would you rather defend with or without the DSS

[odd idol]

imagine the dss blows up again

[lethal delta]

Will the DSS make it on time?

[hexed steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1377197881970135055 democracy

[cobalt patrol]

@hexed steeple I'll be there, i'll just be quiet

and bringing MINES

so you know

do not step on the mines

Or the mimes

I dont think i'll be bringing mimes, but you never can tell

[stone bridge]

are you able to join VC?

no talking is fine but would prefer you here

[cobalt patrol]

Let's see how i go

[stone bridge]

[oblique hazel]

if a spot opens up let me know!

[steady flame]

I can open my spot, that's alright.

[oblique hazel]

y'all sure?

[odd arch]

how do AT mines work on harvesters and flesh mobs btw

[steady flame]

I'm sure, I have other things I can do, and I can play alone.

[odd arch]

considering harvesters walk on pencil legs and flesh mobs have no armour but all the health

I'd check but I'm at work

[steady flame]

I'll check the wiki for you when my Firefox is loaded.

[odd arch]

I was randomly beamed with the thought that AT mines might be a sleeper illuminate hit due to some weird interactions

[steady flame]

My Firefox is a slow bitch because of cache reasons I'm not even familiar with.

According to the wiki, Fleshmobs have 6000 health at armour 0 and AT mines do 2000 damage at AP 5 to whatever steps on them. Not sure about harvesters though.

[odd arch]

it should one-shot harverster legs, assuming they step on them properly

and no idea if flesh mobs set them off, they're too new for the internet to say

[oblique hazel]

they get a heavy enemy map pip, so I would expect them to

[cobalt patrol]

masters of Ceremony Heavy armor is back in the store @ionic holly

[ionic holly]

Yep yep, just grabbed it

[cobalt patrol]

Awesome sauceom

wanted to make sure you knew 🙂

also RIP, there goes Port Mercy

[hexed steeple]

this wouldn't have happened if it was port no-mercy

[cobalt patrol]

Everyone gets Orbital Napalm barrage, but logistics are now fuicked - less stims, less ammo

[hexed steeple]

like on drop?

[cobalt patrol]

Duno

ghimme a momment

[stone bridge]

[oblique hazel]

Scythe stonks are booming rn

[quartz cloak]

Damn, I might break out the stim pistol actually

[blissful sparrow]

Blitzer hours

[cobalt patrol]

In game you ltierally have -2 max stims

[hexed steeple]

eep

[odd arch]

hell yeah

[cobalt patrol]

It is PRETTY SPICY

and annoying becuase people are going oh this hard and rage quitting

[odd arch]

hey, easier for me to finish the mission that way

unless the host quits and everyone gets kicked out

that sucks

[cobalt patrol]

Eh, o nd10 it can really fuck things when someone quits

and then everoyne looses vit booster or whatever

[wintry moat]

Oh, neat. Just like the battle for Pöpli IX

Good times

[odd arch]

the super earth episode was really neat for me in that the city fighting convinced me to give more tanky, stand and fight loadouts a try

I'm a natural born hit and run shit

the cities still absolutely do support hit and run but for the first time in my life I'm enjoying bulldozing a path for my team more

I think it just boils down to squids being really simple

[winter shuttle]

its good to see the community pointing out their feelings in the feedback

[ionic holly]

I wouldnt be certain, EOS is still climbing upwards

[winter shuttle]

the extra punnishment plus the strat bug are.....well annoying to say the least

[stone bridge]

first one's just part of the game, its fun imo

[tiny flume]

Did a whole mission and the game bugged out at the end, no rewards 😦

[azure pewter]

rip

[stone bridge]

rip

[tiny flume]

I did learn I like the eruptor paired with a machine gun

The trick is to spend half the mission face down in the dirt

[fringe quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[winter shuttle]

You dont punnish your player base when they are already strugling.

the punnishment feels wrong in a narrative sence (should really be affecting the other fronts as super earth diverts its resources to the homefront) and leans into the player burn out we are seeing arround super earth tho

[odd arch]

I like the lil pinch of desperation

[stone bridge]

Not like it doesn't come with benefits either tho

[winter shuttle]

yhea napalm barrage.....on a mission that you get punnished for doing so becuse civilians ?

[idle hollow]

it's 25 req slips lol

[odd arch]

don't quote me saying this in a documentary in 10 years but civ losses are unavoidable and are barely felt on your wallet

[idle hollow]

it is a slap on the wrist

if you do it on purpose, sure, you get bombed to death

[winter shuttle]

its napalm barrage, civilians don't have any self preservation on them

[odd arch]

I'm a bit of a roleplayer and would normally bend over backwards to save civilians but they run back and forth in such stupid ways that I'm

[idle hollow]

yeah and you know what else doesn't have any self preservation

[odd arch]

I feel obliged to let them walk into the bombs if they want it that much

[idle hollow]

voteless

[winter shuttle]

like moths they see a flame or a helldiver and they feel the urge to jump head first onto them

[idle hollow]

the giant hoards of voteless

[winter shuttle]

i find the grenade laucher bether to deal with the voteless then napalm barrage

[stone bridge]

different tool for a different job

[idle hollow]

well also this isnt taking a stratagem slot

[winter shuttle]

but thats just me and every helldiver has its own way to deal with it

[idle hollow]

it's Free

[odd arch]

hey, I'll take this over the shield gen