Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[winter shuttle]

buy another warbond and grab the super store armor

[ionic holly]

Not particularly

I'm a fan of the rifle but that's it

the melee just makes me miss my combat axe anytime i try to use it and the armour is not my style nor a passive i care for

[winter shuttle]

its a non existant passive

[cobalt patrol]

The last time I ran into someone using the bug, I executed them for being a traitor to democracy, then left the game

[glad marsh]

Hmm
Hihi friends, it's been a little while again
What's changed?

[winter shuttle]

a lot

[ionic holly]

When did you last play?

[cobalt patrol]

Squids made peace. There are definitely not fleshmobs on the battlefield, and they're definitely not going to invade super earth

[idle hollow]

when was the last time you played?

[glad marsh]

A few months ago I'd say, early this year

[idle hollow]

a Good Number of things have happened

uhhh okay do you remember the illuminate invasion

[glad marsh]

Mhm, we were there for that

[idle hollow]

turns our their goal was to make the wormhole move towards super earth, as demonstrated here

[winter shuttle]

the recent stuff

the illuminate got their second part of their roster, its hellish and i hate it

[idle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/autocratic-intentions-autocratic-intentions-helldivers-helldivers-2-gif-8427293801728892000

after a lot of grueling fighting we stopped it only a handful of planets away from super earth

[glad marsh]

Ah, so they're still missing stuff I presume...

[idle hollow]

and the squids left

[ionic holly]

New illuminate just dropped

we have Dave
jets
and mortars

[idle hollow]

we were going to have a party about two days ago and then uhhhh

[ionic holly]

Missing? not really

[glad marsh]

I could never have seen this coming

[idle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-reach-slispace-rupture-detected-slipspace-rupture-gif-24161348

[winter shuttle]

we got 3 new calamari specials

the interloper, the squids got eagle strafing runs

[idle hollow]

THAT MUST BE THE ENTIRE ILLUMINATE FLEET

[ionic holly]

they have a properly good roster now

[idle hollow]

And now they have:

• chaos spawns
• overseers with fuel rod cannons
• A10 warthogs

[winter shuttle]

the crescent overseer, over the shoulder mortar squid

[idle hollow]

And now they're pushing towards super earth

[glad marsh]

Hmmm I see I see

[winter shuttle]

and the fleashmob, aka yo dawg we heard you liked the voteless so we grafted a bunch of voteless together into the most tanky enemy in the game

[ionic holly]

Gun customization is a limited system that is around, it's nice but i'm mainly already looking forward towards expansions

[idle hollow]

Still, on the other hand, at least we got weapon modding

[glad marsh]

!

[ionic holly]

Oh yeah no, i'm happy we have it i just want more

[winter shuttle]

we got weapon modding, making some weapoms.....asthe dev said, pant shattering good

[idle hollow]

here are your orders

[winter shuttle]

and you can also change tehri camos

[ionic holly]

The selections for what can be customized is not created equally though

[idle hollow]

Most recently

Mars is no longer the home of helldiver training, it's now some swampy shithole

[ionic holly]

Some can only have their scopes changed, others have a full suite like with the liberators

[idle hollow]

And the DSS was forced to retreat due to damage from the squids attacking it

And is now inoperable for the time being

[glad marsh]

Did it ever actually come back online after the first time?

[idle hollow]

yes

[ionic holly]

Yeah

it was nice while we had it

[idle hollow]

it's been active for quite a while now

[ionic holly]

made some victories pretty easy

[winter shuttle]

we also got le leaks

[idle hollow]

yuck

[ionic holly]

Yeah let's hold off on leaks regarding someone trying to hop back in

But yeah, overall, 's cool

[idle hollow]

leaks are gross

[winter shuttle]

ehh

knowing whats to come got me even more exited

oh !

the tutorial map changed

[glad marsh]

Hrm

[winter shuttle]

do skip on the new warbond tho, it is very bad

[glad marsh]

Looking at it, that appears to be intentional?
Which is.. a decision

[ionic holly]

I'd doubtfully call it intentional, i think they just didn't have spectacular ideas in regards to it

[glad marsh]

Fair

[winter shuttle]

see

here is the issue

we had cerimonial armor to the game already

we had a buff that can fit on this already on the game

[ionic holly]

Yeah but remember the last time they had pre-existing buffs on warbond armour?
the community threw a huge fit

Once scorned, second hesitant and all that

[winter shuttle]

i do think we really should have apple flavored bacons at this point

[lethal delta]

The obvious solution is to be able to deco- shot

[ionic holly]

But yeah
new warbond ain't hot regardless of whatever the internal reasoning was

[winter shuttle]

oh and siege ready got buffed

[quick plinth]

how so?

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1kmz7qa/health_stats_on_fleshmobs_and_interlopers/

[south temple]

more recently?

because that’s huge if true i love siege ready

[sour falcon]

Eruptor use with fleshmobs vindicated. It has felt so good against illuminate since the patch dropped, easily my new main weapon for them

[verbal summit]

Teal

Real

[sour falcon]

Been really nice having a front where Recoilless Rifle isn’t so dominate too

[hazy oriole]

at in general tbh

it's nice to have but i don't feel like im at a disadvantage without it like i do on bugs or bots

[hexed steeple]

how fight sky ships good?

what are they called

interlopers?

[quick plinth]

anything anti medium mulches them

stingrays but rn interlopers ingame

[winter shuttle]

siege ready now works on every gun

[quick plinth]

elaborate

[winter shuttle]

It used to be only for primary

[hazy oriole]

i'm unsure if it works for backpack support weapons, haven't checked it myself

[hazy oriole]

I like the wasp for them but it can be a little fidgety, you want to get a lock on as they're winding up for the strafing run ideally

if you're desperate I've been able to shoot one down in roughly 2 lib penetrator magazines

also, because they move in perfect straight lines I've seen people kill them with eagle strafing runs very consistently

[shut bane]

Does the mg-42 basically still handle everything in the theater?

I redownload cuz yall seem like ur having a lot of fun with this update

[hazy oriole]

Pretty well, yeah

if you liked it on squids before you won't have any problems with it now, except maybe with shooting down interlopers since they're a bit speedy

max rpm will kill a fleshmob in less than a mag

[winter shuttle]

the ammo buff does

[ionic holly]

Doesn't apply to backpack support weapons but it does apply to anything mag based

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> does anyone want to pop in for some heckdiving in ~30 minutes?

[trail nymph]

Yeah

[strange vine]

its always worked with every type of weapon (except for backpack ones), they just updated the description since they decided to keep the bug in as a feature

[quick plinth]

yeap it's always been that good

[keen zinc]

sure

[cobalt patrol]

Flak AC, Wasp, RR rocket, Spear (seems overkill), AC normal shot (Flak is easier though), MG, HMG, AMR... anything that's AP3 or above can do it.

[quick plinth]

I haven't had a chance to try but I imagine the railgun would work alright too, though it's a bit of setup to get a fullcharge shot off

[ionic holly]

spear is absolutely overkill considering it's not like it does much on harvies

[hexed steeple]

oh ac flak was giving me the bounce off armor symbol

[cobalt patrol]

It still actually works though, if you get the flak explosion on them

I'm pretty sure they have AP2 parts it goes through

[winter shuttle]

i'll be that

[south temple]

how recent is this?

[quick plinth]

it's always been like that, it just got it's writing changed to reflect that

and it doesn't work on backpack weapons

[south temple]

ahhh yeah so normal then

it’s so goated for the HMG

[sour falcon]

Wasp has been my preferred method of killing Stingrays, just because it is also good at knocking overseers out of the air in 1 shot. Also, in a pinch you can mag dump a wasp into a fleshmob and it wrecks them.

[pastel igloo]

tried doing an illuminate mission with my friends, my first one ever

picked the wrong guns for it, camera wasn't working for 70% of the mission

ran around like a headless chicken and then extracted

absolute democracy

[glad marsh]

dang @trail nymph

[glad marsh]

thanks for the games y'all

am rusty..

[keen zinc]

Yar

[strange vine]

so did you know the interloper can spawn at diff 1
friend and i joined my brother to get some sc
then a fighter disintegrated my friend

[steady flame]

God, it is.. Slow going to get SC. .-.

[ionic holly]

Now that's funny
possibly unintended but funny

[oblique hazel]

fleshmobs can too around objectives

sometimes multiple of them in one area too, which feels rather excessive

[weary granite]

Feels a bit excessive. Like maybe one or two is fine at Diff 1 ONLY around objectives.

I mean, even the Staff Overseers are already approaching you when you extract at Diff 1.

[stark ether]

if you're sc farming grand errant has good maps for it on the bug front atm

[oblique lotus]

man the knight is way better with flash hider + vert foregrip

you can get pretty long bursts off

[cobalt patrol]

Blegh

I am no good vs Harvies with the AC.

[strange vine]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17222482170584927885/7087CDD86725F18CD3792DDE66158976C91B45D4/

[oblique hazel]

What are folks guard dog of choice vs squids?

[rare nymph]

I typically run gundog

[cobalt patrol]

Gas Dog is also likey quite good

[wind arrow]

do dogs react to strafers?

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, AC on harvies just doesnt seem to work =x

4 shots for a limb is just a lot givne accuracy issues

[rare nymph]

Are you using flak or aphet?

[cobalt patrol]

Aphet.

It's super fussy on actually hitting hte limb joint i've found

very easy to miss.

[rare nymph]

I’ve had decent luck using flak to take out the limbs

[cobalt patrol]

Huh, really? Maybe i should try that

[karmic prawn]

Gundog has about a 50% chance to just delete flying overseers

It's very handy

[quick plinth]

current issue with dogs is that they'll just go

off on an adventure

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, this actgually makes sense, the flak mode is ap3 and their feetsies and joints are all ap3 too

Though wait, those have EXDR of 100%

so now i'm just confused

[hearty pier]

Pretty sure that the flak damage isn't explosive. The shrapnel is modelled projectiles

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, that would make sense

[hazy oriole]

can i get one bloooooooooooooooooody game without exploiters \

[cobalt patrol]

Execute them, then leave

[trim breach]

I'd happily do this, except (i've counted) 80% of the time it crashes my game

It's gotten to where I can't play with randoms until they patch it

Because somebody always throw it.

And the one guy that joined and I told "Hey, please don't use the exploit" immediately tossed twelve mechs and crashed me

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some late night diving?

[sage plume]

sure

[stark ether]

I need to get back into helldivers

[trail nymph]

Now’s a good time to do so with the big update coming

[stark ether]

my problem is i've done nothing but sc farm for the longest time so i'm too anxious to join any real matches

[trail nymph]

You’ll do fine

[stark ether]

[trail nymph]

Just remember the wisdom claymore’s advice “Front towards enemy.” and you’ll do super earth proud

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> got 1 spot if anyones interested

[keen zinc]

join ussss

[stark ether]

let me extract

[ionic holly]

Now that's funny to have experienced

eagle strafing runs destroy illuminate jets

[cobalt patrol]

Yep! If you time it right, it's a two-fer

[weary granite]

Damn, they should have labeled it Super Crashing.

Also double damn. The timing, I can't play

[cobalt patrol]

I messed around with that but couldn't make it work. but switching to ap eak perfomance armor worked out, the extra ergo makes targeting the limbs way easdier

need to test a low recoil armor too

[rare nymph]

Oh interesting

Yeah I typically run an engineering kit armor for squids so maybe that has something to do with it

[stone bridge]

prone + engi kit or fortified will give you excellent target acquisition, the aim bounce in first person is basically minimal

[ionic holly]

Think i mighta given some fresh bloods a shot of adrenaline motivation wise on a 7
dropped in and they werent eh... great
increased reinforcement budget and the 3 of them alone almost burnt it, but still got the job done
Portable hell bombed a monolith, cracked the majority of encampments for em, and even did a, what i atleast assumed at first, was a suicide run to try and get supers, ended up getting them and get back safely with popping another encampment along the way, told them i was dipping after and first thing i see is "we'll do you proud"

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, it's what i used to do all the time in bots

Though i'm not v. keen on lying down vs squids

on accoutn of getting punched to death by voteless

[ionic holly]

Speaking of voteless, has anyone else been experiencing just voteless and fleshmobs just spawning out of the ether behind you?
Not teleported in with a dropship or anything just literally spawned behind you

[cobalt patrol]

I havent that exactly, but i've def noticed that getting swarmed like hell

[stone bridge]

The whole swarming issue is part of why I'm leaning towards the HMG/Gun Dog as my default loadout

Gun Dog just erases small targets like it's a TF2 aimbot sniper

HMG isn't as efficient as the AC into Fleshmobs but it Does The Job

[uncut hatch]

I watched a group of 4 fleshmobs and 20 or something voteless just pop into existence ontop of the objective while we were walking towards it yesterday

[ionic holly]

Like, i'm not unfamiliar to the game just kinda dropping a squad when you aren't looking but usually it's good about not doing it mid fight

[uncut hatch]

Idk this recent patch ive had to deal with popins a lot more, or at least its more apparent theyre popins instead of drops like usual

I wouldnt be suprised if before a good portion of what you end up fighting are popins, the chaos is usually just enough to keep you too distracted from noticing

[steady flame]

I think the GL does a pretty decent job?

Briar (They/He) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) HMG isn't as efficient as the AC into Fleshmobs but it Does The Job

[cobalt patrol]

It used to be a big issue back with launch

like bots just appearing out of nowhere

[rare nymph]

I’ve been running MG/Gundog

[cobalt patrol]

I suspect it's a case of it going "I need to get stuff into the game, uh... valid spawn spot!"

[rare nymph]

Pretty good all-rounder

[cobalt patrol]

and not quite checking that it was actually a valid spawn spot

[stone bridge]

GL does well but it means you can't engage Harvesters

Which is a no no for me

[cobalt patrol]

I think i'm leaning more Peak Physique than Engineering kit having tested them both

they're both great for the record

But the main deciding factor is that Harvies stagger when you nail their weak spots with teh ac

and they have quite a big stagger animation

so the extra speed at retargeting i think edges it out?

I apperntly said "And beep you, Voteless" this mission

Engineering kit does have way better drip tho'

[stone bridge]

Yeah but I'd rather have the additional primary bonuses the other armours give

And that

[cobalt patrol]

The two extra grenades is nice, but mm, not quite neccesary? Not sure. I'm gonna fuck around with things a bit more

exploring options

[rare nymph]

I like engi kit as I currently enjoy distributing incendiary impacts to crowds of voteless

[cobalt patrol]

(I am a little annoyed we literally can't win this MO though)

(As in earn the reward for it, it feels a bit werid to have "Hold these planets" where it's lkiterlaly impossible)

[stone bridge]

Fortified protects against some pretty dangerous Illuminate stuff

It's also worth

[unreal merlin]

I'm still a diehard scout main, though the Light Siege-Ready has been enjoyable recently.

Scout armor has allowed me to solo-complete primary objectives by crawling prone through 5+ overseers and 3 fleshmobs

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah?

Which ones?

I will say Peak Phyisque does have something going for it: in combo with an axe or a sabre, you just rip straight through voteless like they're not there

very handy when swarmed

[stone bridge]

Crescent Overseers and Stingrays mainly

Both are pure explosive afaik

[cobalt patrol]

Huh, i heard electric for Stingrays

I enjoy ejecting Overseers from the plant with the AC

lol. Afterp laying more iwth peak phisque, i actualyl think engineer is bette.r the recoil control is al ot

[pastel igloo]

anyone else had problems with camera being disabled in missions? sometimes i just cannot move my camera with my mouse when i load into missions

i've been wanting to jump back into the game but it's completely unplayable with this bug

[blissful sparrow]

do you also have other keys that do not work?

[pastel igloo]

no

it's just the camera as far as i'm aware

i think i had some weird input problems with the stratagem list thing

but otherwise everything else works perfectly fine

[blissful sparrow]

i had a problem where steams shitty controller emulation forced itself in and ate inputs trying to map stuff to a controller until i disabled it

[pastel igloo]

and i can move my cursor in menu, and on the ship i've not had any problems at all

it's just in missions

[pastel igloo]

where do i disable it

might as well try

[pastel igloo]

ah

it's already disabled so that can't be the problem

[cobalt patrol]

Ow

finally get hell bomb armed

running away

Crescent oversee shot lands on it

no more penguion ;.;

[tropic isle]

my domain expansion ;_;

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some illuminate?

[cobalt patrol]

Given that was literally crashing people's games + being very unpleasant to play with, I'm host it's gone

I was just executing players who did it in my games

[tropic isle]

I was doing it tactically, 5ish 380s on a heavy base.

heavy base gone

anway, @cobalt patrol wanna join?

[cobalt patrol]

That's still boring and unfun to me. Also headache inducing, literally

[tropic isle]

no i get it

[cobalt patrol]

(and no, I'm in bed)

[steady flame]

I'd love to but my game is still patching and probably will continue to for a few hours. :(

[uncut hatch]

The fun police is here 😔

[supple siren]

Crashing my game/PC isn't fun I'm afraid >:p

[cobalt patrol]

Nor is ruining games for other people

You wanna abuse glitches, do it in private lobbies

[uncut hatch]

Pc diff

[strange vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1217293896124731453/1372979032840474624/nmxxz232161f1.webp?ex=6828bdde&is=68276c5e&hm=b592377f2a0a48c511fb76430f4d5d7adf55309434b28ac70f71facde6f33036&=&format=webp

[shut bane]

The drones are quite a bit more oppressive now the purple target light ones I mean

[hazy oriole]

Sincerely fuck that bullshit, man

It was funny for like two seconds, and then the constantly repeating sounds and thr chugging performance of 50 billion pelicans landing at once was nigh unbearable after it kept happening EVERY SINGLE GAME. I'm glad it's gone.

[idle hollow]

shut up bro

don't even start with that

I don't exactly enjoy a mission being lost because some chucklefuck threw 30 380mm barrages causing all the audio channels to be used and lag the game to death with particle effects

[glad marsh]

[trail nymph]

No fighting in the war room

It was a glitch it is now gone move on

[steady flame]

I forget, are 1s or 2s better for SC farming?

[royal lantern]

Has anyone tried the Knight since the buff/with attachments? It's a weapon I've always wanted to like but it feels like a really uphill battle

[steady flame]

With the v.foregrip and flash hider, it's definitely more controllable, but also against Squids you wanna single-fire or burst it.

Halfway there! :3

[north fiber]

btw, if anyone wants proof the new rifle is a hasty semi-auto conversion of the Constitution

[steady flame]

..Is it Endsieg hours?

[quick plinth]

its been endsieg since martyrs

[keen zinc]

Why is only the magazine release hastily welded

[north fiber]

the rest of the top is probably stamped

the release couldn't be stamped tho so it's welded afterwards

[steady flame]

I wonder if this means we'll get a Stenalike at some point.

[keen zinc]

I don't think it's a constitution

[north fiber]

It has a similar profile and is called the R-2 Amendment. If it's not a conversion the at the very least it's repurposing the Constitution production lines

like, a bolt handle that chonky makes no sense unless you're converting what would normally be in a bolt action

[tropic isle]

<@&1206091872716595200> The illuminate sabatoge of my super destroyer's power infrastructure has been resolved WHO IS READY TO DIVE

@waxen hatch

[steady flame]

I need to grind out some SC but yeh! :D

[heady halo]

next up its the r9cks and pointy sticks warbond

[keen zinc]

nah better

batman warbond

knuckledusters, impact smokes, other sneaky beaky stuff

[heady halo]

primary: blast javalins. low ammo count short range javalins that can be set to explode like grenades or deal a small penetrating anti armour shaped chathe

secondary: the oldest weapon. a knapped rock. short range throwable like a throwing knife, lower damage but can be reloaded by picking one off the ground

support: Rods From Democracy, a targeting laser that has the ship fire a shell with the explosives removed, obviously to protect the dibers calling them down nearby not because we cant afford it. medium damage, high penetration, high ammo count, but a charge time when you have to stay aimed at the target

bombardment: meteor. slow to call down masive aoe damage that spawns lots of shrapnell. no cap on amount and reups instantly but has a calldown time like a normal cooldown time.

airstrike: foebraking. the pilot skims low and uses the enemy to reduce speed. massive damage and infinite ammo but if you hit anything with high medium or better armour the jet "has to go back to the ship for repairs and rearmament dont worry about the scream of pain over the radio"

[unreal merlin]

Okay so apparently the Tesla Sentry absolutely fries fleshmobs? I might just be misattributing the effectiveness but it seems like it's a merciless meatball cooker.

[south temple]

arcchads stay winning

[winter shuttle]

taking a break from the calamari buffet to go fight the bots

[winged patio]

Also, I'm pretty sure it's sitting right on the edge of Medium pen, because it tears through Overseers

I swear, I was bringing down 2 or 3 per mag even when I wasn't aiming particularly well, and putting a burst into a leg seems to be guarenteed kill.

[cobalt patrol]

Hells, my computer could handle the increase just fine and it was still incredibly obnoxious

[cobalt patrol]

Penetration doesn't work like that - it's just a numerical 1-10 value.

What you're seeing is that oversee armor is ablative, and even shots that bounce will damage it, and eventually break it off revealing the flesh below

[north fiber]

And when a gun gives a pen value there is a well documented number attached to it.
Light Pen is 2
Medium is 3
Heavy is 4
Anti-Tank is 5+

[cobalt patrol]

also IIRC, overseers are generally actually AP2 - which means light is grey hits vs them

Yes, checking - they're AP2 except for the heads, that are Ap3

Something that's really fun is using the Flak mode of the autocannon on them - two to the hody is a kill, the first breaks the body armor, the second fills it with delicous flak. (and usually PHYSICS causing them to comically fly off)

[cobalt patrol]

I'd bet what's happening is it's hitting the head/body, then boucning through all the heads

Similar to why the autocannon's flak mode deletes them, because it hits all the heads

[winter shuttle]

do wish we had more mission variaty with the squids

[unreal merlin]

I suspect this as well, but have not remotely done any testing to verify

[winter shuttle]

its getting boring doing the 3 same missions

[north fiber]

Honestly might peel off to the bot front tonight

just the break up the constant three missions

[winter shuttle]

did the same today

[oblique lotus]

Also they soak up a ton of shrapnel and fleshmobs are daamage sponges

You can kill them with one or two frags if you cook the frags right

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, neat!

I know with Flak ac you can absolutely see very variable results depending on where you land the shell and the resulting head pops.

They're very fun to vaporized

[oblique lotus]

explosion damage is weird with multiple hitboxes but its like 1.5k of shrapnel damage assuming 50% hits

Plus blast vs 6k hp

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1knzoxg/victory_was_never_in_doubt/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1kkkxsq/cancel_that/?share_id=JVyk_s_0rMIFQztznfdgP

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone wanna ?

[terse shoal]

sure

[fringe quiver]

what happened to the guard dog? 😭

[terse shoal]

which one?

[fringe quiver]

the ballistics one

it just like

isn't reloading and it's not even really protecting me anymore against the squids

it used to cover all around me but it's letting them hit me in the back

[keen zinc]

tis bugged

[terse shoal]

oh damn

[fringe quiver]

know if it's all of them or just the ballistics one?

[oblique hazel]

I'll join up in a bit

[odd idol]

it resupplies at the place the stratagem was called instead of your backpack

[fringe quiver]

and that is a bug right?

cause it's so bad if it's not

[stone bridge]

Ofc it is

[wind arrow]

man, i love getting ragdolled (video editing/shitposting practice)

[fringe quiver]

what's a good SMG that's upgradeable in place of the stA-11?

since the collab weapons can't be upgraded?

[keen zinc]

the reprimand is amazers

[fringe quiver]

I don't have it 😭

[keen zinc]

i like the new grenade

very funny

<@&1206091872716595200> slot has opened up

[fringe quiver]

omg

game is so buggy

interlopers not painting the ground, POI just broken and not updating, guard dog broken, the strategem game breaking bug

[ionic holly]

I think the strat one was fixed?

[fringe quiver]

yeh

which is good cause that one was causing the game to break

although I would have liked it for free warbond farming on super helldive

[strange vine]

the Knight, but thats from the special edition upgrade thingy

[fringe quiver]

I hope I'm not missing SCs from the lvl 2 illuminate missions but hard to tell

[fringe quiver]

2 more bugs 😭

[cobalt patrol]

Jumped into a mission, someoen's running Mortar sentry on squids

total wipe immient becuase it teamk ileld so many people

And the player using the eruoptor has no idea how to do safe fire lines and kept blasitng people apart with the eruptor

Oh my god, they'

also using the mortar sentry

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> All aboard

[lethal delta]

Mortar can work in a coordinated team that keeps the mobs away

In a pub...

Yeah

[cobalt patrol]

In squids in this invasion when yo ubasically always have voteless on your arse during battle

it's just asking for trouble

[stark ether]

mortar can work in pubs for very specific mission types if one is keeping an eye on teammates and willing to destroy the sentry at the fist sign of a perimeter breach or a team mate straying

thing is its not worth that effort

[cobalt patrol]

You wouild think after the first two team kills

it would be a concern

maybe after the complete team wipe

[stone bridge]

Why do these people not just bring the EMS Mortar instead

It's like a mortar but good

[blissful sparrow]

But Kaaaaarl, that doesn't kill people 🥺

[verbal summit]

I'm not particularly careful about friendly fire anyway

One of my incidents ended up with me explaining it as "the third time was for the bit"

"You think I won't hit any civilians if I shoot those voteless?" "Sure" followed by a loss of 50 requisition slips.

[lethal delta]

I remember a friend killing a civilian by mistake, and another answering
"It's ok, not every little turtle makes it to the sea"

[verbal summit]

Lmao

[lethal delta]

I felt so bad but laughed hard

[verbal summit]

Tbf I was using an eruptor so if my friend cared he should've told me not to

Let me get the video of the "third time was for the bit"

[cobalt patrol]

I feel liek you're allowed one of Eruptor and Mortar sentry. Not both. Especially not b oth on a suqid misison

[verbal summit]

Yeah instead I take eruptor, cluster strike n airburst strike

So even worse

[cobalt patrol]

...

I mean, yes but also still better than Moratar sentry

but also you're a monster

[stark ether]

cluster bomb is one of my staples and i have single digit friendly fire kills

[verbal summit]

Usual activities for my friend group

I'd say I don't try to friendly fire but that's obviously not true

I only do it when it's funny :3

[tight zephyr]

I get like, actually upset if I accidentally kill a teammate. Avoiding friendly fire is a point of pride for me.

[verbal summit]

I'm a little gremlin

[cobalt patrol]

I try not to do it, but super earths needs must

[idle hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1206817323860627476/1373203726654902313/RDT_20250517_093717.mp4?ex=68298f21&is=68283da1&hm=0653c90a34f0edf4d69d3c1eb98b8117496daa76851d459eae37bd4e9beda8a4&

[cobalt patrol]

Carbine + Impact INcins is some good fun

[weary granite]

Noooooo

We were this close to greatness!

This makes me sad

[spare verge]

arrows got you down since you were left hanging?

[graceful bluff]

I had one that was all downs but due to a cog jammer, it was great

[cobalt patrol]

Man, i hope people on D10 Squids get in gear by the end of this MO

A lot of folk do not know what they're doiong ,and i keep running into folks quitting, going afk and other stupidity

[stone bridge]

this has been a big wakeup call for people walking through d10 illuminate thats for sure

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, you say that, but the pubs dont seem to be waking up!

And i'm not yet sharp enough to carry like i can on bots/bugs 😦

[ionic holly]

I know how you feel, it's just
weird watching folk bring AT stuff for one mission, get shit rocked because it doesn't work, and then just

bring it again

(wasp excluded, i think that's the only one i've seen brought from people who know their shit)

[lethal delta]

I do use the quasar quite regularly in squids with good results

Decent damage against fleshbags and can oneshot tripods and ships if I don't fuck up

(Which is a big if)

[ionic holly]

Yeah the quasar i tend to not judge much if i see it, but it's stuff like EAT or Commandos that i do

[verbal summit]

I'm still figuring out my loadout but eruptor does well for an AT weapon

[lethal delta]

I do use the eruptor in squids + talon

[verbal summit]

So I bring stalwart instead or idk I'm still figuring it out

[ionic holly]

Eruptor is also a pass since it just
does well asking as you aren't dumb in firing lines

[cobalt patrol]

So, the RR can still do work. I'm actually pretty sure i could tweak my current loado ut slightly and do work with the RR

but like you have to account for it, i feel liek al ot of people doint really.. adjust their loadouts based on support weapon

[ionic holly]

Fair, like said it's mostly EAT and Commandos that make me raise an eyebrow

especially commandos

[unreal merlin]

I've been running this kit with good effectiveness

Adjudicator / Talon / gas grenades
Sterilizer / tesla tower / mg sentry / eagle strafe```
The sterilizer is a huge force multiplier against the dozens of fleshmobs because it instantly disorients them, and makes for good voteless control

[cobalt patrol]

Like my current iteration of my squid loadout is

Lib Carbine (Used to run Deadeye)
Talon
Incin Impacts (Used to run gas)
Light Engineer armor

And then i'm rocking Autocannon, MG turret, 500kg, Gas strike.

The last 3 are my classic squid/bug loadout - anti hoard with some base breaking .

AC i could switch out for RR, but i'd honestly ocnsider cutting 500kg and taking Eagle STrafe. I'd keep the Lib C arbine though, and possibly consider droppiong Talon for another secondary that can help out if i get swarme,d thoguh honestly, Talon handles that very well

Because prior to fleshmobs, Deadeye just did work - it overpens Voteless, and it domes Overseers, so it's downsides on relaod time and shield breaking werent that big a deal.

But now there's Fleshmobs where it's pretty shitty (Since you have to keep placing shots on heads to get anywhere) and Stingrays (I mean it can damage them if you can hit them), Harvies need to go down EVEN FASTER (Because you have less time iwth Fleshmobs getting on your arse/Stingrays) etc

And if i could trust randoms to keep shit off me, i'd run RR and dunk on Harvies and Stingrays all day long

(Though tbh, i dont think the RR is a great stingray soloution, it works, but it's an arse of a shot. And i say that as someone who can drop harvies at 200m with the rr)

[ionic holly]

Lesse mine

Amendment
Bushwhacker
Dynamite

MMG or HMG depending on my mood
PHB
strafing run
and OPS purely for ship scuttling

(PHB can also be used for ship scuttling too)

[cobalt patrol]

One reason i've been liking AC is you blow the ship shields off with flak, tehn you send a flak down the door and knock knock, explosion

also, sorry, PHB?

Oh, hellbomb

[ionic holly]

Ye

i've had immense luck with it on well... anything

regarding illuminate i mean

[hexed steeple]

<@&1206091872716595200> any epic gamers who want to epically game the game helldivers in like 10 minutes

[cobalt patrol]

I would, but i'm crashing in bed

sorry Ashely.

[ionic holly]

actually on the topic of PHB, one thing that will always make me turn a head is the fact it's useless against a cognitive tower

I don't mind it truthfully it's just a bit of "aw fuck right"

[hexed steeple]

your democracy officer will remember this

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, so that's fun: part of the reason fleshmobs are so tough is none of thier body bits have the FATAL tag

So you actually just have to deplete their entire 6k hp

(Whjich is a lot of fucking hp!)

Main health is 600, the legs and heads are both 400 hp and have 100* to main damage, and the armos are 200 hp but only 25% to main

and all 4 bits have 25% durable.

(so they take 75% of a weapon's normal damage and 25% of it's durable damage if i recall correctly)

[ionic holly]

My god

the indomitable human spirit weaponized by the autocratic illuminate

[cobalt patrol]

Just to put things in perspective, the Factory Strider has 10k hp.

And Bile titans also have 6k hp.

(But BT's are AP5 and 100% durable on tehir main hp, lol)

[tight zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/autocratic-intentions-autocratic-intentions-helldivers-helldivers-2-gif-8427293801728892000

[ionic holly]

Should get an updated version of this with the portal stopping part way and a squid coming out of it /j

[cobalt patrol]

This never fails to make me laugh

[trail nymph]

Can do in 10

[hexed steeple]

wahoo

[lethal delta]

How is dynamite vs HE?

[hexed steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1373296231694209216 channelf or when ur ready

[cobalt patrol]

Different roles. Dynamite is "to whom it may be concerned"

hE is more "and screw you in particular". Though tbh I feel it's pretty weak vs just taking impacts for ease of use

[quick plinth]

<@&1206091872716595200> One slot open for diff10s

[sage plume]

Is it still open?

[ripe iron]

I'm about to hop into it

[sage plume]

Ah alr

[keen zinc]

What's wrong with Commandos?

They're excellent against a lot of Illuminate units

[strange vine]

I bring commando purely to take out harvesters because it oneshots the leg joint

Eats too if i already have another support weapon like stalwart or wasp that isn't that good at taking them out

[ionic holly]

See, the difference is you know and use it for that way

A random doesnt typically do such and just fires at the eye

Its not like im gonna start yelling at folk mid mission for the loadout they bring, this stuff goes here instead cause i trust you all

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1koq7t3/bayonet_is_good_they_said/

[fringe quiver]

quick question

do you have greater impact if you do the side objectives?

[idle hollow]

fist beats bayonet

[idle hollow]

I think impact is tied to your difficulty only

higher difficulty = more impact

[fringe quiver]

gotcha

I'm kind of hating how broken the POI are

but at least the cities are good enough to get me like 40-50ish super credits

[rapid plover]

IIRC it's both

[supple siren]

Weapon XP seems pretty attached to the mission XP too so doing side objectives is great for that

[strange vine]

Its based on difficulty, number of objectives completed, and number of deaths

[fringe quiver]

okay well

I can't do much about dying

when
-frv suddenly has it's two front tires in the ground, or explodes
-helldiver doesn't want to reload their gun

[tropic isle]

Weapon xp is actually based 1:1 on mission XP

[fringe quiver]

I want to say I'm also getting like

[tropic isle]

so. Fast missions, do as much as possible, extract everyone

[fringe quiver]

ragdolled stunlocked, where they don't want to do anything after getting ragdolled

but I haven't played the game in a bit so I feel that 3 second delay after they get back into prone position is just normal

[keen zinc]

its a big content update so hopefully they spend some time tightening things up

[winter shuttle]

So the holdout missions are great for this

[hexed steeple]

can't go to any illuminate planets anymore all of the sudden??

[fringe quiver]

same, I think it's cause the one planet is lost

and they're having to update it

[idle hollow]

The planet's accessible now

[hexed steeple]

wahoo

[fringe quiver]

I hope my solo impact of 4s does anything

I do not see the bar going down tho

[sage plume]

<@&1206091872716595200> need to farm weapon xp, also save super earth ig

[keen zinc]

yatrt

[glad marsh]

I need medals so baaaaad

We will join you momentarily -

[quick plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTeOZzQt9lY

[idle hollow]

i just want the stratagem launcher at this point ngl

it's In the code

[graceful bluff]

there's so many things that are in the code that are real neat

like the missile silo

[glad marsh]

It was in the previous game too

So

Would be consistent

(or I'm crazy)

[blissful sparrow]

yeah you could toss strategems from the mech in HD1

was very useful when you stepped on an ally by accident

[oblique lotus]

Fixed distance, little launcher on the shoulfer

Offset by mechs being one offs in HD1

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1koq7t3/bayonet_is_good_they_said/

[quick plinth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1kp1735/the_progression_scheme_was_definitely_a_choice/

[tight zephyr]

Nice hyper-advanced plasma weapon, dipshit. Check out this sawed-off shotgun.

[tight zephyr]

Also, turns out the Liberator Carbine and Crisper are pretty good for squids.

[cobalt patrol]

Lib Carbine is definitely a real star

[tight zephyr]

Especially since I got some recoil mods on it.

[oblique hazel]

I can't wait to get the drum mag for it

it looks like it'll basically be just a mini stalwart

[unreal merlin]

lib carbine shooting up in value with the addition of recoil management options

[split parcel]

your boy(?) just bought HD2. naming my ship now

[stark ether]

everyone drop your ship names

mine's pride of pride

[split parcel]

I went for Song of Starlight

[stark ether]

[quick plinth]

SES Prophet of Pride

[tight zephyr]

SES Hammer of the People.

[sharp crater]

Mirror of the Stars

[frosty nexus]

SES Reign Of Midnight

[oblique hazel]

SES Lady of Destiny

(Because I'm a lady who plays Destiny)

[stone bridge]

SES Colossus of Dawn

[winter shuttle]

SeS dawn of justice

[shut bane]

I had fist of family values but I changed it to stallion of science

[cobalt patrol]

Prophet of Audacity

[cobalt patrol]

Also for now, the only warbond you should worry about is the free one you start with, Helldivers Mobilize.

Lots of good & important unlocks in that, will take you a while to chew through it. Then we can recommend other warbonds once you have built up super credits (they can be found during missions, at points of interest, meaning it's possible to get every warbond "for free" if you don't mind spending a lot of time grinding)

[placid hamlet]

SES Princess of Family Values

[winter shuttle]

Welcome to the helldiver core Squid

as zombie said, the only warbond you should worry about its helldivers mobilize.

tho a hint on that, avoid buying armor from the super store, spend your SC in warbonds

[civic apex]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/@divesofcrow/video/7504736101236493623

[strange vine]

okay apparently people have used the newest warbond's sparkler grenade to kill chargers, bile titans, and factory striders

the sparklers are AP5 apparently and deal a good amount of damage
well each individual sparkle "bullet" does 20 damage, but it throws a lot of them out

[cobalt patrol]

Huh. Also weird. Don't think I like them still, but that's interesting

[hazy oriole]

Hammer of Dawn

[stark ether]

[ionic holly]

Shield of twilight

[ionic holly]

Also- yeah uh
really curious how this is gonna go

[cobalt patrol]

Oh one big tip - at some POIs you'lkl find cargo containers.

Use anything explosive (Grenades, strats, etc) to blow them open, and they STUFF inside em

Including super credits

[north fiber]

Queen of Selfless Service

[blissful sparrow]

SES Elected Representativ of Family Values

its the longest possible name

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> calling all patriots to Fight Da Good Fight

[idle hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wtiHWL7vhM

[idle hollow]

The orange/blue and white ones

They’ve always got something nice in them

And the beams of light are similar, you just need to press E on them

Can have super credits, money, samples, guns or medals

[keen zinc]

grenadier armor giving you 8 pyrotechnic grenades is funny

[idle hollow]

https://youtu.be/KzjfQSXGFJ8?si=V_We2nQs2b4E5s4C

[civic apex]

they need MORE blue armors

[civic apex]

yeah that helldiver is about to go trying to solo the fleet

becuase like 70% of the entire fucking population of the game are fucking around in bug territory

we are so gonna lose super earth

i wonder what happens then

do we just reset ?

[idle hollow]

i sincerely doubt it

this is all being treated as canon

[keen zinc]

but thats not true

[stone bridge]

46,747 of all active divers are fighting the Illuminate, so over 65%

So no, there's no bugdiver problem or anything rn

[civic apex]

good to know

[civic apex]

it was like yesterday or so atleast

glad to see its not a thing now

[hexed steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1373605685077610516 <@&1206091872716595200> im thinking im helldiver

[cobalt patrol]

Was lit jujst abotu do do some d10 squids

DOnt really wanna be on voice though

so if ya And @stone bridge wanna join on me in just a moment?

Or do ya'll have a group?

[hexed steeple]

ye we got 4

nvm we joining on y ou

[cobalt patrol]

It's fine, there's been am inimal amount of squid blood spilled

[hexed steeple]

hey that's me. hi me!

[harsh kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-signalis-hello-signalis-eule-eule-hello-gif-1600101692068230530

[cobalt patrol]

Not seen this mission: My flak shell deflecting and disintergrating me.

a minute later, Briar does this to themselves with their eruptor

[stone bridge]

30 seconds even

[weary granite]

Truly. Outstanding move.

[cobalt patrol]

and then i ended that mission headshotting a Harvester... with a SEAF artillery shell

[hexed steeple]

omg eule

[harsh kayak]

:]

[winter shuttle]

Morning helldivers

[keen zinc]

Anyone wanna dive into hell this fine morning?

[quick plinth]

I can in give or take 30-40mins (Lunch time for me)

[rare nymph]

Late to the party but SES Lord of Democracy

[keen zinc]

Claw of Law

[quick plinth]

@keen zinc you still up for diving?

[keen zinc]

sure

[odd arch]

I think mine was Wings of Pride

[trail nymph]

Mine is the Halo of Glory

[hazy oriole]

blorrugghhhhhhh...why do all the cool drum mags for ars and smgs have to be locked behind level 24

[sage plume]

because with great BRRRRT comes great ammo consumption (i cant think of anything better for the joke, if anyone has better ideas go ahead)

[hazy oriole]

what factors affect xp gained per mission?

[trail nymph]

From what I've seen it's total mission xp

[hazy oriole]

so number of people extracting and maaaaybe number of reinforces left affect it?

[cobalt patrol]

Get every base, do every side objective, extract every helldiver. Anything that rewards you exp in game is my assumption

[spare verge]

pulling an image from a random gameplay stream, all these things, with a multiplier based on the difficulty you're playing

[hazy oriole]

blughhhh...gonna need to do so many missions...

[glad marsh]

Hrm
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone down for a little bit of diving in ~30 minutes?
Perhaps SC farming..
But we're happy to do whatever else as well :3

[sharp crater]

yeah I can be there

[clear herald]

im down to helldive for some Super credits!

[graceful bluff]

I can probably do a bit also

[glad marsh]

Okey dokey, booting up shortly

[hazy oriole]

ngl i find the new sway on the smgs annoying

at least so far, wish there were attachments to mitigate it

[quick plinth]

I'll take sway over them just being straight up less accurate when stationary

[hazy oriole]

fair, it's annoying when im crouched and i can see my defender's little crosshair circle bouncing up and down

like don't get me wrong i think spread was bad and im glad they removed it but it feels like the accuracy nerf to smgs and sidearms was unwarranted

[ionic holly]

There was a nerf?
i admittedly cant even tell

[hazy oriole]

one handed smgs and sidearms have more sway than other guns and it makes them annoying to play with, at least for me

which is a shame because i really like the defender and i want to like it more but the sway factor drives me mad

this would not be nearly as much of a problem for me if any of the mods reduced sway but so far none of them seem to do so

[cobalt patrol]

Iirc decreasing ergonomics decreases sway

As it's tied into your weapon weight (lighter weapons sway more). They mentioned in the patch video

[hazy oriole]

that's a bummer, ergo is one of my fave stats 😭

if anyone else here uses the defender regularly i'd love to hear y'all weigh in

[hazy oriole]

looking at it numerically on the stat page, it doesn't seem to be the case

...then again it seems like all the assault rifles have the same sway factor as the smgs on the stat page, which obviously isn't true...

URGH

[split parcel]

how do i turn the headlights on a recon vehicle/FRV off and on on a controller?

like what's the bind for that

[unreal merlin]

Looks like LONG PRESS - DPAD DOWN, I think? On keyboard it's X and that's also the bind for opening the drop menu.

[split parcel]

interesting, not working for me and my crew

[cobalt patrol]

Well that would fit with what I said about weapon weight mattering. Heavier weapons are less effected - so they might have the same sway factor, but it's a bigger deal on a pistol than it is on a assault rifle

[hazy oriole]

that's fair but when i change ergo i don't see a shift in sway numerically, ill have to test it myself later (though honestly if anyone's already done the testing for me and recorded it i'd love to be spared the trouble)

[shut bane]

So you can instakill the fleshmob if you cook a frag right, I've really been enjoying this new theater but this shit is kinda oppressive

[cobalt patrol]

The fleshmobs are, or being able to blap them is?

[shut bane]

The whole new illuminate package together I mean

The ships and mobs really complement the other stuff and the scout drones seem way better now

[ionic holly]

I know it's fucking great, i feel like i'm actually fighting something technologically stronger

[shut bane]

I think they did real well making niches without having an anti armor heavy theater too

[oblique lotus]

I don't think it's instant but one or two frags take big chunks out of them

I think I ballparked it at about half their health per frag depending on how good your cook is

[ionic holly]

Aye, that's been my favorite part

[oblique lotus]

yeah I like how squids aren't just "how much armor clear do you have" and now aren't a snoozefest

[shut bane]

Maybe I'm wrong but i got one with one frag if it explodes in front midair and pops all the heads they die immediately

[oblique lotus]

idk how the heads work because they don't need to lose all the heads to die but I think? the heads amp damage?

but also I've seen fleshmobs without any front heads still alive

I think some of it is that because they've got separate non blast resistant hitboxes each head takes extra damage

so that's 500 blast damage from the frag per head plus 2k (assuming 50% of shrapnel hits) shrapnel damage

[shut bane]

But yeah the mortars heavies close air support drive you out of fortification into the horde, its sick

I've been getting a lot of use out of the scorcher on these guys

[karmic prawn]

Each head has about 400 HP and getting blown off deals that damage to the 6k main health pool

So explosives are great for softening them up

[ionic holly]

Dynamite my beloved

I cooked one just perfect one time and it blew up right above the thing and instant killed it and i've been searching for that high since

[shut bane]

The illuminate planes are so cool on the new planet too, their plasma gatling chewing up the jungle

I like that they friendly fire too, like the vote less are just there to clog ur escape routee

[stone bridge]

Eruptor is a clean 3 shot on Fleshmobs, it's my main primary into Squids now I think

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, i was a bit confused because calling it opressive impleid it weas bad? Or too hard to deal with?

[shut bane]

Maybe the wrong word I just meant that it was really fun just like crazy, really wild I couldn't stand still for more than a second tough in a good way

[cobalt patrol]

Fleshmobs have 6k main hp. None of their body parts have the Fatal tag, so you have to do all 6k damage to kill them. Every body part is 25% durable, 75% normal damage. No armor, iirc.

The big thing is that the arms only transfer 25% of the damage to main, while the legs and heads do 100% to main.

Explosives are real good because they'll hit the main body and shred multiple heads

so even though you "Only" do like 300 damage with a shot, your effective damage per shot is way higher

[oblique lotus]

yeah but heads are separate hitboxes so they each take damage from an explosion

[shut bane]

Flak also tears the hell out of them

[oblique lotus]

whereas normally enemies only take one hit

[cobalt patrol]

Yup, i've been using AC: Flak mode as my goto

Flak just evaporates so much on the squid front

[oblique lotus]

iirc the eruptor really tears them up for similar reasons

[shut bane]

But as I learned in my first mission against them, lasers do absolutely nothing 😭

[cobalt patrol]

Lasers can actually burn em down!

[oblique lotus]

lasers work they just need pretty sustained burns

[cobalt patrol]

setting them on fire is very effective

[oblique lotus]

iirc it's about 15 seconds of las-98 fire?

[cobalt patrol]

It's part of why i switched off gas to impact incins

Because those murder squids in general.

(and i still have gas strike for "no, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars")

Like ih ave gotten quad overseer kills off a single impact incin

[stone bridge]

Yup, like I said, it's a 3 shot if you get a clean centre mass hit each time

[cobalt patrol]

Also i get to make sure that people like @stone bridge and @hexed steeple are toasty and warm. I'm the best team mate ❤️

[ionic holly]

I desperately need a gas airstrike for eagle 1 ngl

[cobalt patrol]

See, i want the opposite thing _ Orbital Napalm Strike. Just an OPS that sets the area on fire.

[shut bane]

I will say having almsot every mission be escort has shown me how bad some people online'd turret placement is

But it's all in good fun

[cobalt patrol]

MG turret also actualy does decent work on Fleshmobs, though it'll run out of ammo right fast

also speaking of scary, i had like 20? flesh mobs on screen last night

(I did not make it out of that situation)

[shut bane]

Maybe like a slow eagle like the illuminate ship that just sprays in a line like a crop duster

[ionic holly]

you'll get your 5th fire grenade and you'll like it /joke

seriously can we let up on fire nades going forward?

[stone bridge]

You haven't hit me with one yet :p

[cobalt patrol]

See? I'm doing well. Keeping you warm without actually setting you on fire

[oblique lotus]

I'd like a mine throwable maybe

[cobalt patrol]

I absoloteuy 100% squished ashley with flak and or gas last night though

[oblique lotus]

1 or two max but good heavy armor performance

[cobalt patrol]

Oooh, throwable AT mines would be great actually

esp if they stick onto enemiesbefore they arm properly

(and of course, players)

"Why am i bee- oh." boom

[ionic holly]

Now this i can fuck with

I also would love C4!

[shut bane]

Imagine a lunge mine melee

[ionic holly]

lemme throw a brick of plastic explosives and pop that shit in front of an overseer's face

[stone bridge]

C4 would go hard

[ionic holly]

Honestly kinda shocked we've not gotten a manually detonating explosive yet
probably a coding thing

I think that's part of why i like the dynamite so much
i know you can cook any grenade but the dynamite has the most visual feedback

[cobalt patrol]

I hoenstly expcted dynamite to be

I think the main thing is the awkardness of the controls for it

You can manually equip your grenades and throw them that way

but i'm pretty sure most people are used to quick throwing grenades

which would lead to you expecting to be able to quick detonate etc

(And soloutions like "Oh your grenade button becomes detonate when you throw a grenade" doenst work because the expecation would be able to throw and multi-detonate, etc)

[ionic holly]

Yeah, like said i'm sure we don't have C4 purely due to coding issues

Cause niche is there, placed explosive that you can detonate and stick to things is always enjoyed, imagine placing like 4 bricks of c4 onto various fabricators and just click booming that shit

peak c4 fantasy

[frosty nexus]

Everyone dreams of sneaking through a bot base with scout armor and solid snaking all the fabs

[ionic holly]

Sneaking?
who said anything about sneaking? /joke

[cobalt patrol]

The purpose of scout armor is so i can see the fear in their eyes once i start shooting

[ionic holly]

Hell yeah

[cobalt patrol]

(and so i can make zoidberg noises when i run off and confuse them)

[ionic holly]

i just wear heavy armour typically

Well, i've been wearing medium recently due to the borderline justice's prosthetic arm being on the same arm as mine

[cobalt patrol]

If you don't mind me asking, how does playing with a prosthetic arm work for you?

I played Halo in person with a guy who had one arm once, he was a terror. Just kept the controller in his lap and had insane apm

[ionic holly]

Inverted keyboard
I use my prosthetic for the mouse and the keyboard gets my fleshy arm

er, flipped? keyboard
point is wasd and stuff is on the right side

Prosthetic is on the mouse because it's easier to trust it to move something and tap buttons when i need to

(extra helped by extra mouse buttons letting me take work off the fleshy hand)

[stone bridge]

Engineering Kit is such a good all rounder I find it hard to move away from, especially since Ground Pounder fits so many aesthetics + is Medium (the best type)

[oblique lotus]

Democracy Protects 50% of the time, 100% of the time

[stone bridge]

RNG

[oblique lotus]

it's not RNG if you carry democracy in your heart

[stone bridge]

The only thing I carry in my heart is a belt full of HMG ammo

[oblique lotus]

generally having ammunition in your heart is a bad thing

[stone bridge]

extra storage

[cobalt patrol]

You misspelled light armor, you monster

😛

[cobalt patrol]

Neat! Thank you for sharing

[ionic holly]

Yeah

it's funny as fuckkkk to taunt folk about getting their ass kicked by a cripple

(it's only reserved for people who are already being assholes mind you)

[stone bridge]

I've been killed by too many arbitrary headshots from Timbuktu or The Void Right Behind You to think light armour is the best honestly

[cobalt patrol]

I just have a crippling addiction to the zoomies

[ionic holly]

Trust me i understand that on a fundamental

i also just like being built like a brick shithouse

[cobalt patrol]

(also they are very good reasons if you watch me play I always take stim booster & want health booster to. Plus the moment I engage I tend to stim so I've got the damage resistance + speed boost)

Which is a large part of PenguinTM shenanigans, like running right through the base to grenade all the fabs

[ionic holly]

I basically play like a payday 3 bulldozer

Minus the taunting

[cobalt patrol]

Heh. I'm always interested to learn about this stuff as while I'm not crippled, I was born with fine motor skill difficulties

And had to attend a special needs school etc to get help for it

And as a general design fundamental, I'm very interested in things being accessible - which you know, means asking people about their actual lived experience

[ionic holly]

Fair fair!

But yeah one of my favorite approaches to a mission is just
siege ready heavy armour
constantly moving forward, even if slow

Yknow actually
i just realized, i really should try the breakers again

cause the drum is universal and i saw they had chokes

[cobalt patrol]

The chokes can really tighten the spread, which seems nice

[ionic holly]

you have my IMMEDIATE interest due to that

[cobalt patrol]

I'm just messing around with the carbine atm. Putting it on burst fire, switching up it's barrel and eventually it's mag+ the vertical grip

It's getting pretty laser like while also still being able to bullet hose very effectively

[ionic holly]

Kinda fucked realization
the spray & pray doesnt
really have anything going for it anymore, does it?

[cobalt patrol]

Uh, dunno. I'd have to look at it's raw stats etc

[ionic holly]

Comparing it and default, all its really got is somewhat better recoil and one more magazine

the recoil being something you can fix given well, attachments

and since you can do duckbill and drum mag on a default too...

[cobalt patrol]

That's not insignificant given it's role

[ionic holly]

Its not but its also a situation where you can throw a lot of that onto normal breaker and come out with 90 more damage

[cobalt patrol]

Since it let's you take other attachments and it'll carry more ammo total

[ionic holly]

Wait shit yeah no you got a point

this thing carries so much more ammo off of principle

[cobalt patrol]

(since changing mags on a weapon doesn't change total ammo, just how it's distributed)

[ionic holly]

Yeah no nvm, spray and pray still keeps a lotta usage due to it maintain alot of its stats

[cobalt patrol]

Like you could take a much smaller mag, switch the duckbill out for a full choke, go for whatever looks good for extra recoil reduction, and you've got a shotgun-machine gun that'll clear chaff like no tomorrow at range

While the breaker will do better tangoing with medium class enemies

[ionic holly]

I was mostly thinking on it cause i wanted to think of what breaker to level

And honestly with how this looks, going with the spray and pray for better longevity

[cobalt patrol]

I'm just taking it chill with leveling things.

Gives me a chance to play with stuff I might have previously ignored

[ionic holly]

Im not rushing leveling things myself, ive like 3 guns sitting at 7-8~

i just wanna know what i wanna use

also jesus christ
i know it doesnt technically affect the actual ammo total

but 16 mags is crazy to actually read

finally
shotgun surgeon

[cobalt patrol]

When you absolutely positively need to blam something

I still want a heavy shotgun support weapon

"Horse-Stopper" (raising questions about why super earth needs to stop horses that badly)

[ionic holly]

You do not understand how much i would never use anything else if they gave me a support shotgun that was the equivalent of an AA-12 loaded with explosive slugs/shells

Also! fun detail

the spray and pray with camos doesnt just remove the stripes!

they get a lot harder to see depending on the camo but i appreciate that they arent just gone

[cobalt patrol]

Oh neat!

[blissful sparrow]

classic Battlefield 3 god gun

[ionic holly]

Thankfully i dont need it to be THAT good

yknow what

i gotta go back to the old me

the heavy armour calls to me like the green goblin mask

[cobalt patrol]

I just find heavy armor way too slow

[odd arch]

why would I withstand more shots if I can just not be where the shots are

[stone bridge]

Same

[ionic holly]

Could not be me

[hexed steeple]

did they ever make medium siege ready armor

[ionic holly]

Nope

Considering they dont really seem to double back to prior armour perks aswell, kinda doubt we ever will

[karmic prawn]

I feel heavy armour could do with a bit of a buff

With the sheer amount of running around the map you do, I almost never feel the extra survivability is worth it

[cobalt patrol]

This is one reason why i want them to decouple perks from looks.

[ionic holly]

Im indifferent to the whole matter mysel if im honest, what i really want is for them to either do something with that helmet passive section or remove it

[hexed steeple]

throwback to when one specific helmet had a perk and nothing else did

[steady flame]

One thing we really like doing from time to time is.. Just becoming the heavy weapons specialist of a team.

[cobalt patrol]

Not even a perk, it just had armor

[hexed steeple]

didn't it have scout on it

[trail nymph]

Here’s a chart to help visualise weapon xp

[stone bridge]

o

[hexed steeple]

o

[quick plinth]

that's a bit annoying huh, I mean it's how level XP works just less severe, but still

[cobalt patrol]

That's a liddle goofy.

[quartz cloak]

It's a little nuts, yes

I do feel like I'll just pick one or two weapons to max out and then maybe dabble in some others

Probably the LibPen to turn it into a baby stalwart

[verbal summit]

I never really needed the weapons to have attachments.

So I just play what I play

And then I'll see what happens.

[quartz cloak]

I mean I personally like putting flashlights on things, even though everyone else seems to hate them

And I always liked heavy weapons that tended to have bad recoil or handling, and the attachments work the best with those (because they seem to work on percentages)

[cobalt patrol]

The top end being high doesn't bother me, but the fact the graph isn't a nice curve bothers me immensely

[quartz cloak]

Yeah it's extremely harsh at the upper ends for seemingly no good reason

[cobalt patrol]

The jump between 20 and 21 is crazy

[odd arch]

main thing I like is choke options for shotguns

I mean I'm only ever going to use either full choke or duckbill but

that's still two cool choices

[quartz cloak]

Full choke might make shotguns useable on the bot front and I'm partially eager to try them out just on that principle

[verbal summit]

Wait what does that even do?

[odd arch]

tighter pellet distribution

duckbill arranges them in a line

[verbal summit]

Ah

[quartz cloak]

Sadly the Halt doesn't get it which makes me sad

[verbal summit]

Ah

[quartz cloak]

The slugger
I mean the slugger doesn't need it obviously

[ionic holly]

I yearn for full choke on my spray and prey, this shit might be funny

[odd arch]

duckbill slug

[quick plinth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/LowSodiumHellDivers/comments/1kq2wi9/what_i_have_learned_new_super_destroyer_map/

TL;DR your squad number determines the position of your destroyer on the edge of the map after the new patch
1 East
2 North
3 West
4 South

only on city maps though, if the setting description is to be believed

[blissful sparrow]

eww.
means you need to actively pay attention and it might change from mission to mission as people might join or rejoin and change number

[quick plinth]

well no

you always stay your number

iirc

[blissful sparrow]

isn't number based on join order?

so each time you join a new lobby your number will be redetermined based on how many are already in

[quick plinth]

ah well a new lobby yes

[keen zinc]

obviously this is because the center of the map is where theyre gonna put

OPTION A: ILLUMINATE MOTHERSHIP

OPTION B: SUPER-DUPER DESTROYER

OPTION 3: GREG

[blissful sparrow]

Option 4: EDF4.1 Mothership

[keen zinc]

precisely

[burnt vapor]

This has been a long con the whole time and this is actually EDF11

[blissful sparrow]

new Terminid enemy: Ant.

[shut bane]

I was really expecting the flag stratagem to have an AOE buff or something

[burnt vapor]

I can wait for aggressive species Gamma

[keen zinc]

THEY LOOK... JUST LIKE US!

[burnt vapor]

THEY LOOK JUST LIKE HUMANS!

[blissful sparrow]

to quote my favorite EDF line:
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"

[agile fable]

I remember the context for this line being stupid

[keen zinc]

the giant frog enemies

who soldiers say look "just like humans"

meanwhile the humanlike Grays look "like nothing weve seen before"

EDF is funny

[agile fable]

Why

[burnt vapor]

because EDF

[keen zinc]

EDF is funny

[stone bridge]

because it's very earnest and up front about what it is

[calm sorrel]

Have we actually seen EDF troops with their helmets off? Maybe there are just some frog-like humans in that world

[agile fable]

And what it is is hilarious

[agile fable]

Iirc we have seen normal humans in the series without any sort of helmet or anything

[blissful sparrow]

in EDF5 some of the starting characters have visible faces as they are just civilian workers iirc

[burnt vapor]

we do also see fleeing civs in some missions

[quartz cloak]

Thanks for the traumatic flashbacks

[trail nymph]

OPTION Δ: All of the above

[shut bane]

I just had a mission where Stratagem balls kept getting stuck on my backpack force field when I threw them, nuking me is this a known problem

[cobalt patrol]

Strategeme balls can get stuck to the field, yes, but normally it's not ocmmon?

[idle hollow]

missile just frozen in mid air

[shut bane]

It doesn't know where it is

[winged patio]

Holy fucking shit they need to fix the fleshmob so that it stops walking through walls. The fact that that thing doesn’t have a collision box is bullshit.

[lethal delta]

The voteless keep spawning at random for me

One spawned from me today

It was weird

[winged patio]

Just died like three times in a row to fleshmobs walking out of the fucking terrain

I want to know specifically which developer looked at a fleshmob walking through a wall or under the terrain and went “yeah that’s fine.” I will beat them with a spoon.

[karmic prawn]

I think it might be a city problem in general

[stone bridge]

Developers don't tend to look at bugs and go "yeah that's fine"

[lethal delta]

And Helldivers has always struggled with these things

Like the lines of sight

[keen zinc]

no no every bug is a highly targeted intentional slight to the consumer

[cobalt patrol]

I've seen it happen outside cities, it looks like it's somethign to do with the charge, i belive

it's just more obvious in cities

since ther'es a lot more flat/blocky terrain for it to happen on

i'm guesisng that what happens is their hit box does osmething wonky and clips through somehow, and then once it's through the game is like oh that's a fine place to keep walking

[tall stone]

Same way the charge can get you stuck in terrain, I imagine.

[winter shuttle]

is super earth under attack ?

[keen zinc]

I hope so

[quick plinth]

I was going to say

before my ISP in cahoots with the automatons! cut me off briefly

in about 4 hours 15 minutes most likely

[cobalt patrol]

iirc, not yet.

last planet falls in 4 hours

MO ends in 8 hours, 19 minutes

coincidentally, thats' right around patch time and they've been being REALLY WERID about why this update didnt get a new subtitle.

[stone bridge]

Surely there won't be even more content

[tall stone]

There's also going to be another couple of planets they have to take before Super Earth, if I remember my routes right.

[winter shuttle]

surely we will be able to stop the calamari menace right

we wont lose ...will we ?

[cobalt patrol]

There's mars and that's it. Super Earth apeprntyl doesnt belive in oribtal defences on other planets (Whcih, to be fairf, given how big space is, may actually be very sensible)

It is possible that Klen Dathu II gets hit

[keen zinc]

But by Bugs instead of Illuminate

Inexplicably

[karmic prawn]

We can't let it become a bug planet

An UGLY planet

[agile fable]

QUESTION
Why do fleshmobs have the same HP as Bile Titans

[karmic prawn]

Because they have the power of at least 12 guys

Bile Titans are also 100% durable in most of their hit locations so they are much, MUCH tankier

[agile fable]

They feel more along the lines of a charger or something

[tall stone]

So Fleshmobs are a pool of HP

But the heads are all hitboxes

So when you're using explosives, they die super fast.

[karmic prawn]

And unarmed so everything does full damage

[stone bridge]

Eruptor 3 taps them, Autocannon Flak does the same, Airburst Launcher can kill entire groups in one go

[agile fable]

They weren’t kidding about these things being Chaos Spawn equivalents

[karmic prawn]

Also yes the ablative flesh has 400 hp per patch and does 100% damage to the main body when destroyed

So explosives hit a lot of their locations at once

[oblique lotus]

bile titans have twice the armor

literally

[stone bridge]

Actually Titans have infinitely more armour

[oblique lotus]

are fleshmobs zero?

[stone bridge]

Fleshmobs are armour 0 flat

Yup

[oblique lotus]

oh must have been thinking of something else

yeah fleshmobs have lots of HP but die really fast to explosives

the crossbow rips them up

same for any of the plasma guns

but titans you basically need AT to kill in one form or another

[karmic prawn]

Oh yeah for funky guns I need to make my mind up betwen picking polar patriots and cutting edge next

Or maybe viper commandos, seeing the carbine and bushwhacker also look interesting

Punisher plasma though...

[cobalt patrol]

Like everyone said, Flesh mobs might be 6k hp BUT:

They're 25% durable across the board. Bile titans are usally 100% durable.

Their heads and legs (Whcih is 90% of their body mass) have 100% to main damage. WHich means all damage hits the main pool - this is why bullet hose primaries cut them down really effetively.

Bile titans have the fatal tag on a few pieces and the Bleedout tag, which enables oneshots in teh right places - Fleshmobs dont.

Fleshmobs are 0 armor, BT's are between 4-5 on most parts - the only 0 parts are the various flesh sacks/exposed flesh when you blow a hole in the armor.

[winter shuttle]

grenade laucher deals with the mobs well

i think le issue with the new iluminate roster is that they can spawn at level 1 missions

explain to me how a new player can take down a interloper

[tall stone]

To be honest, the Machine gun.

[cobalt patrol]

Machine gun, which every player starts with.

[tall stone]

I have a friend who has just started, and he's already figured out how to take them out with the AMR.

Couple shots to the engines.

[cobalt patrol]

Viper commandos highlights are the Peak Physique armor, the Carbine, and the Experimental Infusion boosters. Also throwing knives, which i need to mess mroe with

Bushwacker is dependant on having the sidearm boosting armor to really shine, i find it pretty clumsy by itself.

Polar Patriots has the Purifier, Tenderizer, Incin Impacts, Verdict, and Plas punisher. I think the purifier and the verdict are the real standouts here

[winter shuttle]

the tenderizer is also really good

[cobalt patrol]

Purifier is an incredible primary, very lfexible, though it's def love/hate it depending on if you like the charge mechanics. (One big bonus is it's got good durable damage too for a primary)

Verdict is in the running for best sidearm, along side the Senator and Talon

(Ignoring Grenade Pistol/Ulti here, since i view those as utility picks)

[tall stone]

Polar Patriots somehow became a killer warbond, and I forget that sometimes.

[cobalt patrol]

It was So bad when it first released

i was super bummed, because i was hoping for a destiny style FR from the purifier preview

[tall stone]

And look at it now, just full of banger after banger.

[winter shuttle]

one of the best warbonds tbf

i think it trumps viper commandos, but VC is also good

just NOT as good

mostly becuse both are 1k

[cobalt patrol]

Viper commandos has probably the best none core booster in the game

which is huge

[tall stone]

I'm partial to Democratic Detonation.

[cobalt patrol]

and the Lib Carbine has gotten a big glow up with the new weapon custimztioan

but yeah, if i had to choose i'd say you get more out of Polar Patriots

Also, we're wrong, Plasma punisher is in Cutting Edge

PP hasd the Pummler.